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Speaker 2: we are coming out of Kamala Harris's speech officially doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like there will be a special guest, and we'll
Speaker 2: give you our reactions. Not as long of a speech
Speaker 2: as I initially expected. I think I've rolled in roughly
Speaker 2: around a half hour mark or so. Started with biography,
Speaker 2: had some economy, foreign policy, and then some of the
Speaker 2: generic wrap up there. So Crystal overall, what was your pusson?
Speaker 1: I can't get away from the Gaza portion, which just
Speaker 1: absolutely sucked, y, you know, I mean, it's one thing.
Speaker 1: The key thing here for me is the language around
Speaker 1: October seventh is appropriately evocative, right, It's visceral. It's about
Speaker 1: the whoors the There is responsibility ascribed for the atrocities
Speaker 1: that were committed on October seventh by Hamas. When it's Palestinians,
Speaker 1: suddenly they're just they're just suffering by who why? For what?
Speaker 1: She doesn't say? And I mean that's typical, right. I
Speaker 1: guess she said more about them than probably Joe Biden
Speaker 1: would have. But if you're looking for any indication that
Speaker 1: there would be a different policy here with regard to Israel,
Speaker 1: like there's zero indication of that. And the entire foreign
Speaker 1: policy portion, So you were making this point of like,
Speaker 1: you know, Hillary Clinton sort of leans into trying to
Speaker 1: be super hawkish to overcome like the sense of you know, oh,
Speaker 1: because I'm a woman, and people won't the entire foreign
Speaker 1: policy section read to me like that, you know, going
Speaker 1: it like basically like warmongering against Iran, and I will
Speaker 1: create the most lethal military that has.
Speaker 3: Ever existed, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: It's like, all right, lethal military. I will never give Israel.
Speaker 2: I will never stop Israel's right to defend itself. I'll
Speaker 2: always give them the arms. I will bomb Iron if
Speaker 2: I need to. Oh, actually, Kim Jong un like hope
Speaker 2: to make a deal with Oh no, no, he's actually
Speaker 2: cheering for Donald Trump. It was very classic neo conservative rhetoric.
Speaker 3: Respect go ahead, I just wanted, so, David, do you
Speaker 3: have a.
Speaker 2: News by the way, he supposed to separately going no,
Speaker 2: I completely agree.
Speaker 4: I mean I think that that, but I also think
Speaker 4: that again what we were talking about before, that the
Speaker 4: idea that she reflects the center of the Democratic Party
Speaker 4: that was a very center of the Democratic Party speech
Speaker 4: and on the economy as well. And by the way,
Speaker 4: I also think that she has recognized, rightly so fair
Speaker 4: or unfair, that her economic the views people view her
Speaker 4: as different from Biden as a vessel for economic policy, yeah,
Speaker 4: which I'm not exactly sure is completely fair, but she's
Speaker 4: benefiting from it right that she gets to say I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do that, I'm dealing with affordability, I'm going to
Speaker 4: deal with costs without having without having to answer for
Speaker 4: the criticism aimed Biden.
Speaker 5: And we should actually ask David while he's here for
Speaker 5: your thoughts on There were a lot of references tonight
Speaker 5: to Kamala Harris post two thousand and eight in the recession,
Speaker 5: and they're building this myth of Kamala Harris as a
Speaker 5: basically an economic populist in the midst of the recession
Speaker 5: back in two thousand and eight and the aftermath of
Speaker 5: two thousand and eight. I haven't seen a ton of
Speaker 5: media fact checks of that, other than from people like you, David.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean about the age this gets walky. So
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask the audience to stick with us.
Speaker 2: But it is important because she made it a central
Speaker 2: part both of her speech, and we had Roy Cooper,
Speaker 2: who you uses it to introduce her, so given many.
Speaker 4: Others, Yeah, I mean, the background is that she was
Speaker 4: part of a national mortgage settlement that was essentially a
Speaker 4: giveaway to the banks that created the financial crisis. Without
Speaker 4: getting into all of the details that the banks should
Speaker 4: have been prosecuted criminally, they the settlement was was what
Speaker 4: essentially the banks wanted to be given.
Speaker 3: To get them off the legal hooks exactly.
Speaker 4: Steve, Yeah, there was that she she did not prosecute
Speaker 4: Steve Minuchin, despite people in her office.
Speaker 1: One point to your point, David, though, it is very
Speaker 1: telling that she has decided this is an area of
Speaker 1: her image that not only is she going to rehab
Speaker 1: but the center of the Democratic Party, and I think
Speaker 1: the center of American politics really is to create this
Speaker 1: image as I'm taking on the big banks, I'm delivering
Speaker 1: specifically for homeowners, and she has leaned into housing policy
Speaker 1: and read the he leaves there. Yes, in terms of
Speaker 1: where people are, you know, a few things with regard to.
Speaker 6: One other details. You'll lie there and correct correct me
Speaker 6: if I'm wrong there. But you know, they talk about
Speaker 6: twenty billion dollars settlement. My memory is that the banks
Speaker 6: got credit towards the twenty billion dollars for the losses
Speaker 6: that they saw. That's right. In the banking crisis. Wow,
Speaker 6: that's right.
Speaker 4: So I think what's bothersome about it, although I can
Speaker 4: see it from her political advisors, is that they can
Speaker 4: tell a story that is not just untrue, but that
Speaker 4: is the opposite of the truth, and very few people
Speaker 4: will know that or care about that, which is probably
Speaker 4: realistic and also bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why sites like yours and drop site news exists.
Speaker 2: What do you think? What was your overall reaction?
Speaker 5: So overall, I think it's very clear that Kamala Harris
Speaker 5: is good and she's not great. And one of the
Speaker 5: things that hurt her in twenty nineteen is she had
Speaker 5: a lot of hype and as she started talking more
Speaker 5: and more, there was a sort of myth of Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris that have been promoted. It's almost like it doesn't
Speaker 5: do her favors to get covers like that Time magazine cover.
Speaker 5: That's because now the entire public has been primed to
Speaker 5: see her as some Obama esque figure. And well, I
Speaker 5: do think we've been talking about it all week. This
Speaker 5: convention has been well choreographed, it has looked good. They've
Speaker 5: hit a lot of good notes while avoiding some dice
Speaker 5: heer elements we're sort of talking about, like so called
Speaker 5: wokeness and how they managed to sort of thread that needle.
Speaker 5: Kamala Harris did a good job tonight, but she is
Speaker 5: not Barack Obama. And when you're telling people she's Barack Obama,
Speaker 5: you do run the risk of as soon as she
Speaker 5: has to debate Donald Trump, as soon as she has
Speaker 5: to start doing more things without prompters more interviews, it's
Speaker 5: possible that actually really backfires on them.
Speaker 4: Ultimately.
Speaker 1: That's an astute point about I mean, clearly like they're
Speaker 1: very intentionally leaning into even you know, adopting the hope peace. Yes,
Speaker 1: and you know the way she can't exactly yes, she can,
Speaker 1: like you know, they buried Hillary Clinton and Biden on
Speaker 1: day one to be like, just go ahead, guys.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's not talk about that anymore.
Speaker 1: And one of the things, in terms of a contrast
Speaker 1: with the way Hillary ran her camp paign in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen that I found noteworthy is Kamala and Harre spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time which I don't love, but I
Speaker 1: thought worked effectively enough in this speech on her bio
Speaker 1: at the beginning, and what I noticed about the way
Speaker 1: she set up herself unlike Hillary, where it was where
Speaker 1: it's like I'm special, I'm breaking the glass ceiling, like
Speaker 1: you're helping me basically realize my grand dreams and aspirations.
Speaker 1: The whole point of Kamala Harris's biographical narrative was to say,
Speaker 1: I'm just like you. I'm coming from the same neighborhoods
Speaker 1: that you're coming from. I had the same middle class
Speaker 1: upbringing that you know, either had or would like your
Speaker 1: children to have and aspire to. You know, I grew
Speaker 1: up with the same nurses and teachers and fire fighters
Speaker 1: that wanted to have their lawn look nice and work
Speaker 1: hard and play by the rules, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and it's a very different biographical narrative than the narrative
Speaker 1: of you know, I'm the first female, I'm the first
Speaker 1: black woman, I'm the first biracial woman that was much
Speaker 1: more heavily leaned into in the Hillary Clinton campaign. I
Speaker 1: think that is very smart. But we can all we
Speaker 1: all know you're a trible we can see that. That's
Speaker 1: that's there. You don't have to say it. And so
Speaker 1: that strategy, which was evident throughout the week, I think
Speaker 1: was very effective. I thought the way she talked about
Speaker 1: Donald Trump was also very effective. And when she had
Speaker 1: that line, she was like, you know, in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, he's not he's unserious. He's an unserious man,
Speaker 1: which gets to the weird and belittling him. But she
Speaker 1: says the things he wants to do are serious. She
Speaker 1: talks not only about you know, January sixth and all
Speaker 1: of those sorts of things, but she also then immediately
Speaker 1: pivots to, hey, here are the things that he wants
Speaker 1: to do to you. He wants to take away your
Speaker 1: Social Security, he wants to take away the Affordable Care Act,
Speaker 1: he wants to he wants to get rid of the
Speaker 1: Department of Education, he wants to cut head start programming.
Speaker 1: So both the sort of grander legitimate grievances against Donald
Speaker 1: Trump were there, but she also made it very concrete
Speaker 1: to people's lives in a way that I thought was
Speaker 1: was smart and connected.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was bad. A lot of her
Speaker 2: economic stuff was more negative than it was positive, as in, like,
Speaker 2: here's what Trump would do to you, and here's something
Speaker 2: that I would try and do contrast, and obviously not
Speaker 2: a lot of specifics, that's not really what you do.
Speaker 2: I didn't think the January sixth part of the speech
Speaker 2: was all that strong, actually. I thought that was part
Speaker 2: of the more like classic liberal kind of like the
Speaker 2: classic hits like oh he wants to January sixth was.
Speaker 3: Bad, but those those hits work.
Speaker 2: That's definitely true. People don't like that about it just
Speaker 2: felt like to me, I was like, I feel like
Speaker 2: the countries heard that before.
Speaker 5: They're already voting for her.
Speaker 2: I will say, this was not as good as a
Speaker 2: speech as I thought she was going to. I thought
Speaker 2: it was like, I don't know, almost like a C
Speaker 2: plus or something anything like that for her, just relative
Speaker 2: to the expectation, because she's been pretty decent on the
Speaker 2: stump I mean, comparing contrasts to Tim Walls. I don't
Speaker 2: think you can even look at it to listen.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's I think Tim Walls is
Speaker 1: an extraordinary talent. I would be very happy to skip
Speaker 1: over the Kamala Harris Sarah right into the till.
Speaker 2: But that's not.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I want to get Ryan in here unless unless
Speaker 6: I miss it on your point about her economic arguments
Speaker 6: being negative rather than positive, she easily could have done.
Speaker 6: You know, he's going to try to repeal the ACA again.
Speaker 6: He's going to cut your soul security though he's been
Speaker 6: saying on the stump repeatedly, you know he's not going
Speaker 6: to do that. And he's going to expand social Security,
Speaker 6: but because he tried to do it, you know, and
Speaker 6: when he was president, she's gonna take that clean shot.
Speaker 6: She could have added. And I'm going to expand Medicare
Speaker 6: so it includes dental envision or you know, I'm going
Speaker 6: to uh add the child you're gonna get a child
Speaker 6: tax credit. Did he did she do any of the case.
Speaker 2: I did not hear the world out well, there's this
Speaker 2: opportunity economy thing she did.
Speaker 1: She she did touch on some of those pieces. She
Speaker 1: did talk about some of those pieces. I'd have to
Speaker 1: go back and look at the transcript to see exactly
Speaker 1: which policy is she name checked. I know she did
Speaker 1: talk about, like, you know, housing, expanding the housing supply, and.
Speaker 6: Could have added expanding social Security. She hasn't come out
Speaker 6: with anything to respond to Trump because Trump is out
Speaker 6: there saying that he's going to cut your taxes on
Speaker 6: solid security.
Speaker 1: I won't cut Oh, and that was that was one
Speaker 1: thing she definitely said was that he wanted and she's
Speaker 1: talking about his tear of policy.
Speaker 3: He wants to raise your taxes, the Trump taxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to give the working class, you know,
Speaker 1: a giant tax.
Speaker 2: Guy got yah.
Speaker 4: And I also think that one thing that's concerning about
Speaker 4: the whole election is that the I think it's a
Speaker 4: smart thing to do and worthwhile to take a part
Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five, But the mix of taking apart
Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five and not really offering a fleshed
Speaker 4: out agenda, what's the takeaway from the election? The less
Speaker 4: you say yes, the less you offer, the smarter your politics.
Speaker 2: Well, but I think that was Obama.
Speaker 4: I mean right, I do think it's accurate to a point. Yes,
Speaker 4: I think there's a middle ground between here's a nine
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty five page point by point ideological treatise, right,
Speaker 4: and here's like one concrete policy, right.
Speaker 1: I mean she did give you know, she gave a
Speaker 1: policy speech. You do have some concrete policy, So I
Speaker 1: don't want to pretend like there's nothing that we know.
Speaker 3: She talked to you.
Speaker 1: It was a whole freak out of oh my god,
Speaker 1: price controls, blah blah blah, per corporate tax. She's but
Speaker 1: to your point, even the price gouging price control conversation,
Speaker 1: like she left that pretty vague what exactly that would
Speaker 1: actually look like.
Speaker 4: But also congratulations to the Democrats for it taking forty
Speaker 4: years of Heritage Foundation mandate for leadership to figure out
Speaker 4: that that's a good target. Literally, credit to them a
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty let's get rid of.
Speaker 5: The Department of Education.
Speaker 2: Nothing about it ironic to because you know, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about there's not a policy section of her website,
Speaker 2: but all of Project twenty twenty five is actually on
Speaker 2: her website, and I was thinking just about that. It's
Speaker 2: kind of of that. She's like, Oh, if you go
Speaker 2: to Kamala Harris dot com and read project. But I'm like,
Speaker 2: but where's the politicition of your website? The unfortunate point
Speaker 2: I'm taking away from this election is that that's probably
Speaker 2: the correct play. I was going to say, is that
Speaker 2: you let everything kind of float into the ether, you
Speaker 2: go off the vibe, and you just kind of let people.
Speaker 3: Project, orb and project just like this the Obama.
Speaker 5: Model, but she's not Obama.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, to be honest. The Trump twenty sixteen model too.
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you the.
Speaker 5: Bety the absolutely everyone will be covered, everyone will be covered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's still the Trump model because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he'll say, like Exam for example, he'll criticize
Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five, but he won't say he'll say,
Speaker 1: like some parts are great and some parts are terrible,
Speaker 1: but he never elucidates which parts are the parts that
Speaker 1: are great and which parts are the parts that are terrible.
Speaker 5: Comrade Crystal, but this is the you know this, this
Speaker 5: is the.
Speaker 1: She the most the legitimate, very legitimate, one of many
Speaker 1: legitimate hits on her is she's she is a chameleon,
Speaker 1: like she has been all over the place ideologically, and
Speaker 1: she's trying to turn that into an asset of then
Speaker 1: if you are progressive, you look at how she ran
Speaker 1: when she was running for president and how she voted
Speaker 1: in the Senate, and you're like, oh, she's a progressive.
Speaker 1: And I think the choice of Tim Walls adds some
Speaker 1: credibility to that framing of her because he kind of
Speaker 1: comes with a ready made agenda. It's an agenda that
Speaker 1: she has some track record, you know, the care economy stuff,
Speaker 1: that she has some track record of actually caring about
Speaker 1: it maybe is the one thing you could look through
Speaker 1: on her career and say has been pretty consistent, and
Speaker 1: so you can project that onto her. She's obviously leaning
Speaker 1: very much into like Kamala the cop and you know,
Speaker 1: out to the transnational gangs and the Bartels, Bartelly and
Speaker 1: you know, tough on crime and all of them. They
Speaker 1: did a whole montage of her with you know, with
Speaker 1: a cop jacket and with the cops and all that stuff, right,
Speaker 1: So you can project that if you are just if
Speaker 1: you're like the Adam kinsnigger types who were just looking
Speaker 1: for a kind of return to normal, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: she's Joe Biden's vice president and that's just this very
Speaker 1: sort of like normy, you know, decorum driven type of politics.
Speaker 1: So she's hoping she can pull off to election day
Speaker 1: what Barack Obama did, which is allowing people to see
Speaker 1: in her what they want to see in her. But
Speaker 1: to Emily's point, she's she's good down there. I thought
Speaker 1: she did this, I thought she gave this speech. Well,
Speaker 1: she's obviously not Barack Obama. I mean, he is a
Speaker 1: generational political talent. We saw that on the stage this
Speaker 1: Weeknim and his wife exceptional political talents like she is
Speaker 1: not that level. So it becomes a much more difficult
Speaker 1: trick to pull off. Then again, it's a short campaign
Speaker 1: and she doesn't have to do it for all that long.
Speaker 6: Yes, and it's worth just mentioning that she's on the
Speaker 6: brink of the presidency without ever having really one ye
Speaker 6: any competitive like she was a machine politician. I wish
Speaker 6: Dan was here because he knows the California politics better.
Speaker 6: You're a little closer to California. So maybe.
Speaker 4: The last really competitive election she had must have been AG. Yeah,
Speaker 4: the AG primary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the AG primary where she had the support of
Speaker 6: the entire Bay Area machine. So she was she had
Speaker 6: the like the advantage there. When she ran for Senate,
Speaker 6: it was again, what Linda Sanchez's sister. Yeah, it was
Speaker 6: just a totally hapless candidate.
Speaker 3: Who was she?
Speaker 2: Barbara Boxer? Is that right?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, who Linda?
Speaker 2: Who was Kamala Think it was Boxer?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, all right fox Er. So she she didn't there
Speaker 6: was no Republican, no serious Republican running, and she beat
Speaker 6: a hapless Democrat and then she runs for president and
Speaker 6: just gets absolutely wasted, drops out in twenty nineteen before
Speaker 6: any votes are cast, and then she gets picked as
Speaker 6: vice president and now here she is.
Speaker 2: I did think opportunity economy was very weak. Was something
Speaker 2: that both dated Soota and I both flagged was the
Speaker 2: VC shout out as well, which she was like, We're
Speaker 2: gonna get funds to small businesses and entrepreneurs and founders.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I was like, I know,
Speaker 2: I know what this little bad signal is.
Speaker 4: That's that's the Bay Area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Bay Area. Congress, guys, we got money
Speaker 2: flowing in that. Reid Hoffman, you know's California. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking a little bit more. I thought the abortion
Speaker 2: I wrote in my notes about the abortion section that
Speaker 2: I thought that actually was probably the strongest one of
Speaker 2: the things I've been trying to remark on here is
Speaker 2: that I found it remarkable democratic embrace of social libertarianism
Speaker 2: at this convention. And so for me, I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that's very very popular in this country, and so
Speaker 2: for her when she says he plans to create a
Speaker 2: national anti abortion coordinator, the freedom to love who you love,
Speaker 2: like this very social libertarian language is extremely popular. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the bar we're in the barstool studio conservatives, right, And
Speaker 2: it's like, I was that actually thought out of all
Speaker 2: of every almost everything she said. That probably might be
Speaker 2: the most impactful part of her entire speech, just because
Speaker 2: that is the number one reason why a lot of
Speaker 2: Democrats came out to vote. I mean, the half a
Speaker 2: billion dollars that she's raised so far. And I just
Speaker 2: think the language calibration by Tim Walls and by her
Speaker 2: and really all Democrats they've had, they've had a lot
Speaker 2: of party discipline over this last week. I've frankly been
Speaker 2: impressed by it. I'm like, these people, they are playing
Speaker 2: to win, That's what I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll steal Ryan's point on this because I think
Speaker 1: it's the right point. The thing about abortion politics that
Speaker 1: makes it so powerful is that it's so tangible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's very clear, it's a you know, very clear promise.
Speaker 1: It's very clear, you know, the direction of the Republican
Speaker 1: Party and who is responsible for the current state of
Speaker 1: affairs that's overwhelmingly unpopular.
Speaker 3: You know, it's very clear that.
Speaker 1: I think it was genuinely jarring and shocking to a
Speaker 1: lot of people that like, we had this right and
Speaker 1: now we don't. Like, holy shit, that means anything's on
Speaker 1: the table. So I also, you know, she's obviously much
Speaker 1: more credible on the issue and much more comfortable talking
Speaker 1: about the issue than Joe Biden ever, even at his
Speaker 1: best right, even ten years ago, Joe Biden would have
Speaker 1: been And I do think, you know, a key piece
Speaker 1: of this is I saw this. I you guys may
Speaker 1: have seen read into this more, but I saw Shumer
Speaker 1: was floating potentially, you know, hilbud about yeah, getting rid
Speaker 1: of the philibuster, maybe just for Roe versus Wade. So
Speaker 1: I think it is possible that they actually do deliver
Speaker 1: and put a focus on that issue. But even if
Speaker 1: they don't, just not having the Republicans in charge is
Speaker 1: very motivating to a lot of people on that.
Speaker 2: Day, it's a very powerful negative case. It's a very
Speaker 2: powerful tangible thing that you can very quite easily.
Speaker 5: It stops.
Speaker 2: Yeah, run away from it.
Speaker 1: And she read the quote. She said, he said, I
Speaker 1: did it. I'm glad I did it, or I'm proud
Speaker 1: of it or whatever. The language was very unequivocal, and
Speaker 1: it's undeniable obviously, and.
Speaker 2: I'm reading again just through my notes. I mean, I didn't. Again,
Speaker 2: I didn't think the jan stuff six stuff was all
Speaker 2: that strong, but you're not wrong. People did vote on that.
Speaker 2: I thought the abortion section was the strongest. I mean
Speaker 2: the foreign policy stuff we want to come back was crazy.
Speaker 2: It's like that really was. I mean, I think there's
Speaker 2: something in there for everybody to hate, especially if we
Speaker 2: watched the show the Ukraine and the NATO stuff, which
Speaker 2: was like very clear that she will escalate the war
Speaker 2: and will continue what's going on on Israel. I mean,
Speaker 2: it was basically I think Biden could have given that
Speaker 2: speech and maybe she he spoke. She spoke a little
Speaker 2: bit differently on the Palestinian issue.
Speaker 5: On he's on he said, those brotesters out there have
Speaker 5: a point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I apologize, I mean, you know, on the iron stuff,
Speaker 2: I mean For me, it was was a very it
Speaker 2: was almost like a Hillary Clinton esque speech. And I
Speaker 2: saw one of Tim Miller, who works over at the Bulwark,
Speaker 2: one of the never Trump types, and he just said
Speaker 2: something I think is astute and true. He's like, the
Speaker 2: border and foreign policy section of the speech could have
Speaker 2: come from the John McCain convention. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think that's actually that's very accurate and fitting. Because
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys caught this. Did you
Speaker 2: see Reuben Diego who's running for Senate in Arizona. He
Speaker 2: was like, John McCain was an Americana hero. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, Arizona Democratic senator on
Speaker 2: the DNC state or Lane carry Lake raising John McCain
Speaker 2: on the Democratic stage. So there is some ideological fusion.
Speaker 1: I am of the opinion I said this before Democrats
Speaker 1: in the same way that Republicans just should try to
Speaker 1: avoid talking about abortion because they are not going to
Speaker 1: win on abortion. And I also think that for them
Speaker 1: the landscape of like who's going to be better, you know,
Speaker 1: family policy and like social welfare policy for families. I
Speaker 1: also think that's dramatically losing territory for Republicans. I don't
Speaker 1: think Democrats, especially given the current framing and the fact
Speaker 1: that they've completely accepted Republican framing on immigration, like you
Speaker 1: just shouldn't talk about immigration, Like the best thing you
Speaker 1: could do is just not have this election be about immigration.
Speaker 1: That is what your opponent wants this election to be about.
Speaker 1: So the amount that they affirmatively brought it up, and
Speaker 1: they had their little like montage is ready, and she
Speaker 1: had a significant part of her speech in here, and
Speaker 1: they think it's such such a brilliant strategy to be like, actually,
Speaker 1: we came up with the toughest border strategy ever and
Speaker 1: adopted all of you know, the Trumpian tactics, and the
Speaker 1: border patrol loved it, and you know, I.
Speaker 3: Hate it from a moral perspective.
Speaker 1: I think it's wrong, But I also think it's stupid politically,
Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of data to back
Speaker 1: that up. So the best thing that they could do
Speaker 1: on immigration is just try to change the subject.
Speaker 3: In my humble opinion, I have a question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is Ryan David. Maybe you Crystal. You
Speaker 5: guys have been to a fair amount of dem conventions.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing my second one sixteen I was at sixteen.
Speaker 2: Ryan's been there since eight.
Speaker 5: Okay, so in terms of nomin you can just see
Speaker 5: David Sara hating Bob. That's really interesting. That's interesting given
Speaker 5: what you were talking about earlier, when you were saying,
Speaker 5: like the center of the Democratic Party looks different now,
Speaker 5: it's a shift. But in terms of nominee speeches, how
Speaker 5: did this one compare to what you guys have heard before?
Speaker 4: It was like pretty I mean because shorter Clinton shorter,
Speaker 4: and like everything's judged now by Obama. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 4: like hard.
Speaker 3: To hard to measure up to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you can't measure up to He's a
Speaker 4: great speaker, David.
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to pick back up on
Speaker 1: the comments you were making earlier when we were so
Speaker 1: rudely into erupted by I don't know, Ruben Geig or
Speaker 1: whoever decided to jump to. You were talking about how
Speaker 1: the center of the Democratic Party had shifted, and that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's something for the left to take hart in,
Speaker 1: because what I thought was maybe the most notable line
Speaker 1: at the entire convention was freaking Gina Raymondo, who was
Speaker 1: like the most corporate of corporate VC lady right right
Speaker 1: was singing from the Lena con hymnal Yes, talking about
Speaker 1: anti monopoly actions, and I thought, wow, that means this
Speaker 1: battle is over. Like if even Gina Raymondo is on
Speaker 1: this tune in the Democratic Party, this is the direction
Speaker 1: they're going in.
Speaker 4: I am old enough to remember the DLC. Ryan Graham
Speaker 4: was probably old enough.
Speaker 3: I remember the d l.
Speaker 4: They were. The DLC was the sort of corporate wing
Speaker 4: of the Democratic Party, and it had its own explicit
Speaker 4: think tank, it had its own explicit movement. It wasn't
Speaker 4: kind of camouflaged underground the New Democrats and the divide
Speaker 4: between the back then the basically the Liberals and the
Speaker 4: DLC was a definitional battle or divide in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: And that divide brand wise, at least maybe in practice
Speaker 4: it still exists, but as a branding thing it basically
Speaker 4: doesn't exist anymore. Right, there's still Third Way that tries
Speaker 4: to carry the torch.
Speaker 6: Of Third Way is pretty like right in the middle
Speaker 6: of the party exactly.
Speaker 4: So I do think there's this closure now where there
Speaker 4: was this upsurge in or a culmination in that divide
Speaker 4: in sixteen between Bernie and Hillary, and that there might
Speaker 4: have been a continuation of that divide had Biden not
Speaker 4: unexpectedly in some ways taken up some of the Bernie
Speaker 4: agenda or a kind of Bernie ish agenda. Right, But
Speaker 4: because Biden did do that, it doesn't feel like that
Speaker 4: divide defines this convention or this party anymore.
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember who wrote the piece, because
Speaker 1: I would like to give them credit, but my brain
Speaker 1: doesn't work, so I can't. Someone wrote that it was remarkable,
Speaker 1: how unremarkable Bernie's speech was, that a lot of his
Speaker 1: rhetoric sounds just like what Kamala Harris said, and you
Speaker 1: know Gretchen Whitmer and Tim Walls and everybody else. Right,
Speaker 1: This much more populist orientation towards economics. Also, the much
Speaker 1: more accessible language than like the way AOC was talking
Speaker 1: a few years ago, that has just become the way
Speaker 1: Democrats talk about economics now. And not just that, but
Speaker 1: as you're pointing out, you know Joe Biden, who wasn't
Speaker 1: was the guy who was like doing the bidding of
Speaker 1: the credit card issuers or.
Speaker 4: Terrible democraty was basically a DLC Democrat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the terrible track record ends up taking on
Speaker 1: labor and anti trust in particular being a true break
Speaker 1: from the neoliberal eras. And I wonder I've asked a
Speaker 1: few people this question because I find it kind of fascinating, Like,
Speaker 1: why do you think that happens with Biden?
Speaker 6: I mean a lot of reasons.
Speaker 4: I think one, I think he realized the center of
Speaker 4: the party had shifted in the nineties into the two thousands.
Speaker 4: The center of the party, or at least the cool
Speaker 4: thing to be in the party was the guy.
Speaker 6: Who would kick the way the left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no.
Speaker 4: Longer the cool thing to be in the party. And
Speaker 4: I think that's a credit to Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren,
Speaker 4: groups like a ELP, the American Economic Liberties Project, the
Speaker 4: anti trust move right. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: the revived labor movement. I think all of that has
Speaker 4: worked together to say punching left on economics is no
Speaker 4: longer the way you get this is no longer the
Speaker 4: way you advance in the Democratic Party. It's no longer
Speaker 4: the way to build your brand in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 4: And that's that seems sort of nebulous and kind of intangible,
Speaker 4: but it's also really real. That's why then in twenty
Speaker 4: twenty four, Bernie Sanders gives a speech to the Democratic
Speaker 4: Convention and it now sounds like just a democratic speech rights.
Speaker 4: That's a huge victory for him.
Speaker 6: And another material point I'm curious for your take on
Speaker 6: this is money. Like Obama showed that you can raise
Speaker 6: hundreds of millions of dollars from small donors. Howard Deane
Speaker 6: showed first, then Obama, then Bernie raises two hundred plus
Speaker 6: million dollars. Chuck Schumer watched that and he was like, whoa.
Speaker 6: Because Chuck Schumer is like an amoral operator, and he's like,
Speaker 6: wait a minute. So I can hold these these big
Speaker 6: fundraisers for you know, Wall Street, and they can write,
Speaker 6: you know, one hundred thousand dollars checks. I can raise
Speaker 6: fifteen million dollars for every single one of my Senate
Speaker 6: candidates just by just from people making you know, fifty
Speaker 6: dollars donations. Because the upper middle class Democrats can do
Speaker 6: more than just twenty seven dollars to Bernie Sanders, you know,
Speaker 6: once once a month, once every couple months. They can
Speaker 6: do when they get angry, they can do fifty bucks
Speaker 6: to all eight candidates that Chuck Schumer wants them to
Speaker 6: fund Kamala Harris has raised what three hundred million dollars
Speaker 6: or something five hundred Yeah, and a lot an enormous
Speaker 6: amount of that money is from like normal people.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and so, and it doesn't come with any
Speaker 1: donor obligations either. You don't have to invite them to
Speaker 1: the Christmas party, you don't have to take a photo, right,
Speaker 1: you don't tend to care about their concerns or actually
Speaker 1: care about their concerns or whatever.
Speaker 5: Still, and even here, which is so interesting given what
Speaker 5: we're talking about with the if, at least tonally is
Speaker 5: there's tons of corporate interests represented here. Lee Fong had
Speaker 5: a great story about it. We were at a thing
Speaker 5: the other a big picture of Corey Bush, all kinds
Speaker 5: of different Congress people, the big picture of Corey Bush,
Speaker 5: and next to it they were like thanking FedEx and
Speaker 5: Salesforce and m P A A. And so that stuff
Speaker 5: is still here despite Democrats and the talk.
Speaker 6: And they foolishly got rid of public funding for conventions,
Speaker 6: and so you know, the public.
Speaker 4: This is a corporate event, literally is a corporate event.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the R and Z is too, let's
Speaker 2: be clear, of course, of.
Speaker 4: Course, and I think what they're trying to say is
Speaker 4: all the corporate branding is we are stakeholders. Yes, right,
Speaker 4: And I think where does that Where does that actually operate?
Speaker 4: I think it operates one level below the top line.
Speaker 4: I'm for X, Y, and Z. The more granular you
Speaker 4: get on any policy, the more those corporate brands that
Speaker 4: you saw up in those suites, that's where they're watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean they're writing these little car bounce in
Speaker 1: the bill that no one's paying attention to, but means
Speaker 1: everything to them and their bottom line.
Speaker 4: That's right, and they bank on no one noticing.
Speaker 2: I think he should open change here from Trump. Maybe
Speaker 2: he called into Fox News. Oh for really, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would just put a clip. I went ahead and put
Speaker 2: it in the rundown mac if you want to go
Speaker 2: ahead and uh take a listen. Apparently he was rambling.
Speaker 2: They literally had to cut him off. And uh they've.
Speaker 3: Been like, Donald Trump, help on him. Are you serious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I'm hearing. So let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and put it up.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, sir.
Speaker 7: There has been a huge appeal and momentum for women voters.
Speaker 7: She's trying to pull that the youth vote, the Hispanic vote,
Speaker 7: the black vote back in her direction. Polls show that
Speaker 7: she's having some success.
Speaker 3: In that at this point.
Speaker 2: So what are you going to do.
Speaker 7: What's your strategy to rebuild the momentum that you had
Speaker 7: with those voters.
Speaker 8: Now she's not having success. I'm having success. I'm doing
Speaker 8: great with the Hispanic voters. I'm doing great with black men.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great with women because women want safety. They
Speaker 8: want safety, and they don't have safety when they have
Speaker 8: somebody allowing twenty million people into our country, many of
Speaker 8: them very dangerous people. No, it's only in your eyes
Speaker 8: that they have that, Bartha. We're doing very well in
Speaker 8: the polls. We're leading in most of the polls, and
Speaker 8: in the swing states, we're leading in almost every one
Speaker 8: of them. Workers are voting for me because you're not
Speaker 8: going to have an auto industry if she gets selected
Speaker 8: electric cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was basically like that. The report was
Speaker 2: that he sounded like one of those c SPAN random.
Speaker 3: CLSs came in on the independent.
Speaker 2: Line, Donald, you're up to dad?
Speaker 5: Yeah? No, what did you think he's always founded.
Speaker 2: Social let's pull his truth socialidia.
Speaker 5: That is wow.
Speaker 2: I will say.
Speaker 5: That's not so different from most of his calls to
Speaker 5: fair enough.
Speaker 2: I agree, and actually the reduction in those has probably
Speaker 2: been a good thing. Let's see. Look, it's crazy Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 2: Where's crooked Joe? There will be future under has led
Speaker 2: us into a failing nation status. She talks about compassion,
Speaker 2: doesn't talk about all the people she's allowed into our country.
Speaker 2: Keep going. She's done nothing for three and a half years,
Speaker 2: but talk and what she's doing tonight she talks about
Speaker 2: other countries border. Nothing about our borders stands for incompetence
Speaker 2: and weakness. Our country is being laughed at. Do you
Speaker 2: guys think he was.
Speaker 5: Caused?
Speaker 2: She caused the attack of October. So here's how you
Speaker 2: know he is doing the tweeting. Look at the random
Speaker 2: capitalization talking about we G. I don't know, you probably Donald.
Speaker 1: This would be actually a good time to talk about
Speaker 1: something we haven't fully addressed yet, which is that it
Speaker 1: does look like RFK Junior is dropping out tomorrow endorsing Trump.
Speaker 5: Trump.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pull that up. It is here. I
Speaker 2: can put this into the rundown. Officially, the RFK Junior
Speaker 2: campaign has filed paperwork in the state of Arizona.
Speaker 1: They didn't they're dropping their claim to try to get.
Speaker 2: Us withdrawn from the presidential race. Mac I just put
Speaker 2: it into the rundown. There we go, maybe zoom in
Speaker 2: quick on the image so that people can see.
Speaker 3: With drawn from the presidential race in Arizona.
Speaker 2: In the state of Arizona. There'd be no reason to
Speaker 2: withdraw all the ballots that you connected if it didn't
Speaker 2: mean that you weren't at least at the very least
Speaker 2: dropping out Jad What was it Griffin? Yesterday we were
Speaker 2: watching JD on Jake Tapper, didn't he make a comment
Speaker 2: about RFK. He was like, I'm not sure if it's
Speaker 2: gonna happen, but of course we would welcome that. We
Speaker 2: would we could talk to him about vaccine mandates or
Speaker 2: something like that. But it's looking more and more prediction
Speaker 2: having it like eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it looks like it's happening. And there's
Speaker 1: been this flirtation going on for a while. Now you
Speaker 1: know that's been reported out. I don't know how much
Speaker 1: of a difference it really makes electorally at this point,
Speaker 1: because he was down about five percent in the holes,
Speaker 1: but it's definitely a you know, positive development if you're Trump,
Speaker 1: because he was taking he was serving like a kind
Speaker 1: of a Jillsteine roll for the Sorry if.
Speaker 2: You saw Michigan, he I mean it would in my
Speaker 2: head RFK was if Trump lost, and he lost in
Speaker 2: a narrow election, it would have been r Yeah, if
Speaker 2: RK was still in the race, because if you looked
Speaker 2: at Michigan, wisconsinin North Carolina, he was on the He
Speaker 2: was on the ballot in all the battleground states Arizona,
Speaker 2: which he just withdrew out of. These are states he
Speaker 2: barely won last time around or lost. So to me,
Speaker 2: I mean five percent, five percent a ton you know,
Speaker 2: on the margin. So I actually would put like RFK
Speaker 2: dropping out and endorsing Trump to me, actually puts it
Speaker 2: fully back a coin flip, because I'm like, the margins
Speaker 2: now are so slim for Kamala and it will have
Speaker 2: to be a full on like battle to the death
Speaker 2: of get get the voters out, you know, turn out
Speaker 2: as much as humanly possible. Yeah, with your faithful. Whereas
Speaker 2: with RFK and the race, the Democrats did not have
Speaker 2: to perform at an A plus level, And I think
Speaker 2: now that they do.
Speaker 1: One thing that I really that I hate about this
Speaker 1: is now all the people who always say every third party. Yes,
Speaker 1: you're right about Republicans, like, yeah, they get a lot
Speaker 1: of ammunition because I mean he yeah, he really claimed,
Speaker 1: but no, no, I can't stand I can't stand by,
Speaker 1: and I want to defeat both of them, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. And you know, it certainly looks like from
Speaker 1: the way that his running mate was talking about it,
Speaker 1: the the the real like ultimate core of this was
Speaker 1: always I want to hurt the Democrats. And so when
Speaker 1: it came down to it, and it was very clear, okay,
Speaker 1: you're not hurting the Democrats anymore, then you know, he
Speaker 1: makes makes the move, and it was it was the
Speaker 1: right that was nice to him in the beginning, and
Speaker 1: so he feels some common cause with them or whatever
Speaker 1: his zone ego. He wants to get some cabinet position,
Speaker 1: et cetera, and they offered him the best deal. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it gives so much credence to this talking point that
Speaker 1: in reality, all of these third party candidates are just
Speaker 1: you know, Republican plants trying to hurt the whoever the
Speaker 1: Democrat is.
Speaker 2: That they're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: While we've got the writer of don't look up here,
Speaker 6: I didn't want to ask what your thoughts about the
Speaker 6: pretty much total absence of any change there.
Speaker 2: Was today was for the future.
Speaker 1: They had they had Death Hollands on to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and then Maxwell Frost was talking about it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there were other speakers, but other than those two,
Speaker 1: it's been notably absent.
Speaker 4: I think the Republicans have done a good job with
Speaker 4: making the issue almost like almost unfortunately like immigration for
Speaker 4: the Democrats that every time the Democrats now talk about it,
Speaker 4: it gives the Republicans an opportunity to talk about higher
Speaker 4: energy prices, to talk about you know, they want.
Speaker 2: To control they want paper straws.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to control the economy. They've done a
Speaker 4: really good job of making it into like to use
Speaker 4: a Tim Waltz term, like a weird issue, which is
Speaker 4: really hard, which is really terrifying, exactly like it takes
Speaker 4: away the or the Republicans have done a good job
Speaker 4: of taking of making it as a weapon against the
Speaker 4: social libertarianism. They're going to control, you know, how you
Speaker 4: use energy while you drive. And I think what's obviously
Speaker 4: tragic about that is that the crisis is actually worse
Speaker 4: it is real, So how Democrats can break that is
Speaker 4: kind of like the biggest political question. He's just up to.
Speaker 6: China to just figure it out. Figure Yeah.
Speaker 4: Really terrifying that there's this huge problem that both parties.
Speaker 4: I don't really want to talk about it.
Speaker 2: Well, the only good news is that I think I
Speaker 2: believe between Tim and Trump, we now have two nuclear
Speaker 2: pro nuclear candidates which are in the race. Tim Wallas
Speaker 2: is pro nuclear. Trump is endorsed nuclear. We'll see. But
Speaker 2: I mean, if Elon is there, it's like it's possibly
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 5: The only well and then junior head of the e
Speaker 5: P A.
Speaker 2: Oh no, but RFK is very anti nuclear. Remember he
Speaker 2: went off right, but he's but he's.
Speaker 5: Pro but he's obviously a he's not a climate denier.
Speaker 1: He's when we when I interviewed him on environmental issues,
Speaker 1: he was like, well, yeah, I believe in you guys
Speaker 1: should go and watched.
Speaker 3: It's been a long while.
Speaker 1: But he was like, well, I believe in it, but
Speaker 1: I'm not really going to talk about it because I
Speaker 1: think it turns people off. And then he and then
Speaker 1: he goes into this whole thing about like the free market.
Speaker 1: The answer is the free market, right, yeah?
Speaker 2: And I was like he was, it's just too dangerous.
Speaker 2: The opportunity is position.
Speaker 4: It's almost like there's an asteroid head towards Earth.
Speaker 2: It's a good metaphor, Emily.
Speaker 5: I'll start by saying, good, not great, bubbles likely to
Speaker 5: pop soon, and sugar sugar could end all.
Speaker 2: Right, Crystal.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's very hard for me to separate,
Speaker 1: you know, my horror at what's happening in Gaza from
Speaker 1: this overall convention and direction of the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: But I think the.
Speaker 1: Real star of this ticket is actually Tim Walls in
Speaker 1: terms of his messaging intelligence and credibility of having a positive,
Speaker 1: affirmative economic agenda. I think is a much more effective
Speaker 1: political actor than Kamala Harris is. And you know, so
Speaker 1: my takeaway is that a lot of the most successful
Speaker 1: framing in our particulation from this convention was courtesy of
Speaker 1: the way he talks about politics and the way he
Speaker 1: operates in a political context as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mostly concur with Emily. I think it was good,
Speaker 2: not great. I mean, I mean, I think I said
Speaker 2: C plus earlier. I think it's probably where I stand.
Speaker 2: I really don't think it was her best even since
Speaker 2: she became the candidate. She did certainly throw enough of
Speaker 2: what she needed to. I think she gave a replacement
Speaker 2: level speech. It's the political chameleon that we all like
Speaker 2: know and love, I guess at this point for people
Speaker 2: who cover politics for a living. But let's not forget
Speaker 2: that that is popular. The vibes are still good. People
Speaker 2: here were really enthusiastic, like almost messianic, you know, in
Speaker 2: the convention hall. And that's probably the single best reason
Speaker 2: I'm really happy that I was here in Chicago to
Speaker 2: imbibe that, because that's not something that necessarily may come
Speaker 2: through enough on the screen, but to speed within the
Speaker 2: convention and talk to people and see all the enthusiasm. Like, No,
Speaker 2: my main takeaway I keep saying it, you know all
Speaker 2: tonight is like these people are playing to win, and
Speaker 2: you really think they are in it to win it,
Speaker 2: and I think Republicans should be afraid.
Speaker 5: You see that from some people who aren't here, who
Speaker 5: are just like.
Speaker 2: That, Yes, I wish you were here, Broke, No, it's true,
Speaker 2: It's really true.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to do the math, and it
Speaker 6: looks like about eleven weeks and ish until the election,
Speaker 6: and you know, many fewer than that until the mail
Speaker 6: ballots start to go out. So she just has to
Speaker 6: like avoid interviews, avoid press conferences.
Speaker 5: She's been doing a great job about.
Speaker 6: She's hung in there so far. It'll be interesting if
Speaker 6: she can just keep it, just hold it together. She's like,
Speaker 6: that's her whole thing. She just has to hold it
Speaker 6: together for not much longer. Yeah, it's a four day
Speaker 6: so wild, wild process.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is because she is very like, people
Speaker 1: don't feel like they're not seeing It's not like Biden
Speaker 1: where he was just like in the basement, we didn't
Speaker 1: see it at all and it was notable his absence.
Speaker 3: Like, she feels very present.
Speaker 1: And so I don't think she's paying any price with
Speaker 1: the public for that. In the media is certainly not
Speaker 1: like you.
Speaker 2: Know, outrage the media is not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I don't think unfortunately, I don't think
Speaker 1: she pays any real price for failing to do press, commerce,
Speaker 1: to talk to the media, et cetera.
Speaker 4: But I guess my only I think the main takeaway
Speaker 4: is they have a first do no harm strategy. They
Speaker 4: are implementing it really well tactically. Uh, it is frustrating
Speaker 4: if you want to know more, because any more that
Speaker 4: you would know is a threat of doing harm to
Speaker 4: the campaign. And I think we should expect that until
Speaker 4: if the bubble bursts or the vibes go bad, they'll
Speaker 4: have to shift strategies out of a first do no harm,
Speaker 4: they'll have to take more risks. But until there, until
Speaker 4: there is a perception that something's gone wrong, this is
Speaker 4: what it's going to be.
Speaker 5: It's not broke.
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Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: So here's a question for BP. Would you guys consider
Speaker 2: doing live panels in the future for the regular show.
Speaker 2: The energy and the vibe with everyone there is so fun,
Speaker 2: and so is the engagement with the live chat Crystal.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it is.
Speaker 1: It's always fun, especially having Ryan and like all of
Speaker 1: us together. Of course, having the great David Sirota with
Speaker 1: us as well. Thank you by the way, David, thank
Speaker 1: you for coming. Is super fun. I don't it's like
Speaker 1: technically complicated to change the way we do the show
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. But but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of debates coming up and then election, and so
Speaker 1: we'll be doing obviously lots of this for those events,
Speaker 1: which is always fun.
Speaker 5: And we really missed Crystal always.
Speaker 1: We really that's nice talk.
Speaker 5: We had a very funny We had a very funny,
Speaker 5: funny encounter with one viewer last night. Yeah, just was like,
Speaker 5: where's the Crystal And she was really old.
Speaker 2: Stuck on a plane shout out to enraged cog by
Speaker 2: the way, enraged at the thing giving her a shout out.
Speaker 2: We met her in person, was very nice. She's extremely
Speaker 2: kind and very funny and I love her.
Speaker 5: Uh, tons of excitement for drops.
Speaker 1: It was a good Here's here's an interesting one that
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't honestly catch this, but they say,
Speaker 1: how do you all feel about Kamala messaging as being
Speaker 1: inevitable when I'm president versus the traditional if you elect
Speaker 1: me message?
Speaker 5: I think it's the next president president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, speaking now the next president of the United States,
Speaker 2: I would say that's extremely uh extremely.
Speaker 5: Tim is going to be the best vice president.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: What about from Tara Albaron, will there be a post
Speaker 1: DMC bump? What are your estimated guesses on the bump?
Speaker 2: Bring traditional is one to two reading some Nate's Silver analysis,
Speaker 2: it was about one to two points. So you usually get.
Speaker 6: It is unfair hurt to Trump, like he he asked
Speaker 6: for a refund, he deserves it. It feels like Republicans
Speaker 6: didn't get a convention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 6: It's like they did their convention. Now, they could have
Speaker 6: seen that it was coming, you know, as we saw it.
Speaker 6: We saw it. Yeah, I thought it was going to happen.
Speaker 6: I went but go ahead.
Speaker 5: Was that I went back and read J. D. Vance's speech.
Speaker 5: It was all about Biden.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but there were a bunch of right wingers
Speaker 6: who were saying, stop focusing on Biden, stopped focusing on
Speaker 6: Bid like so in real time it was obvious that
Speaker 6: they were making attack.
Speaker 2: Was because I was gone for the wedding. Was that
Speaker 2: in the discourse at that time?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, some some yeah, like yeah, I mean what happened.
Speaker 1: If you want to relive the timeline is, you know,
Speaker 1: the Trump assassination attempt happens, it shuts down for just
Speaker 1: a few days, all the discourse about pushing Biden out,
Speaker 1: and for a minute there it really did feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: well that's it now, this is over. But it quickly
Speaker 1: got rekindled.
Speaker 3: While they're doing Yeah, while they're.
Speaker 1: Doing the RNC, this quickly gets rekindled. And so there
Speaker 1: was discourse at the time, Like I frankly was kind
Speaker 1: of shocked that they were still just focusing on Biden
Speaker 1: versus Yeah, there's a little bit of an attempt to
Speaker 1: Biden Harris Biden Harris. But you can see even now
Speaker 1: Trump is having trouble shifting to not focusing on Biden
Speaker 1: to focusing on Kamala Harris. It has taken him time.
Speaker 1: He is also an elderly individual, and I think his
Speaker 1: brain had locked into this one model of the election
Speaker 1: and has had a very hard time shifting.
Speaker 6: It still has tonight.
Speaker 2: Where's Crooked Joe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: And he hasn't figured out what the best line of
Speaker 1: attack with Kamala.
Speaker 3: He's kind of.
Speaker 1: All over the place. You know, he workshopped this like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's not really black. Thing that didn't really work, you know,
Speaker 1: it didn't get the He's expecting the typical liberal freak out,
Speaker 1: and they just were sort of like rolled their eyes
Speaker 1: and it.
Speaker 2: On the chat is offering twenty dollars if he shot
Speaker 2: on the beer.
Speaker 5: The beer's gone.
Speaker 2: Oh, actually there's not much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we well, another thing to remember, by the way,
Speaker 5: on the sugar high is that we are right. The
Speaker 5: dunst did their conventions so late that we have a
Speaker 5: week until Labor Day, and a lot of the campaign
Speaker 5: strategies are to hit the ground running after Labor Day,
Speaker 5: so they're bumped and their sugar high will absolutely last
Speaker 5: another week, no question about it.
Speaker 2: Okay, was continued to keep and oh, here's a good one.
Speaker 2: What happens after Trump. I've actually been thinking about this
Speaker 2: a lot. I Trump for my man JD. It's not
Speaker 2: going to be good. I'm really worried about it because
Speaker 2: what I think will happen is I think that Maga
Speaker 2: will turn. Trump has no loyalty, right, so Trump will
Speaker 2: be like, it's your fault, your childish cat lady. Bullshit
Speaker 2: is the reason I lost, even though it's like, well,
Speaker 2: hold on a second, dude, like your name was on
Speaker 2: the thing and you like okay. And then the other
Speaker 2: problem is that the right wingers like the establishment people
Speaker 2: they already hate it, people like Lindsay Grant him and
Speaker 2: all these others, and so I think it will be
Speaker 2: like a brutal defastration that modern politics has seen. Heritage Foundation,
Speaker 2: Kevin Roberts will be gone. A lot of the people
Speaker 2: who are aligned like with Oh, I do I think
Speaker 2: they'll fire his ass. I mean, it's got to be
Speaker 2: one of the biggest political fuck ups.
Speaker 5: They've raised so much money off of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but if you cost Trump the election, he
Speaker 2: will turn on you. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is there will be a brutal internal
Speaker 2: civil war national Conservatism and anybody who believes in the
Speaker 2: child tax credit and all that Ukraine's skepticism, You're done, Like.
Speaker 5: I don't think so. No, I don't think so, because.
Speaker 2: So certain they will go full Glenn Young.
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 5: So here's my position on it is, we genuinely have
Speaker 5: absolutely no idea because anything could happen to Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump to mega people could quite literally get martyred,
Speaker 5: and we were within millimeters of that happening. Like there
Speaker 5: are all kinds of black Swan events that could change,
Speaker 5: would actually and and how Trump ends up like before
Speaker 5: January six, Yeah, nobody knew January six was good like
Speaker 5: it direction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're I'm sure current prediction, like my
Speaker 2: general thing is I think they will come for JD
Speaker 2: and they will try to absolutely destroy him. They will.
Speaker 5: But Trump has this incredible like it's like thirty percent
Speaker 5: of Republican voters they just love Donald Trump. And that's
Speaker 5: It's more than DeSantis, It's more than Nikki Haley. It's
Speaker 5: more than any other person is able to capture right
Speaker 5: now as a proportion, And so he will. He's not
Speaker 5: going anywhere, but.
Speaker 1: That See, that's my question is Okay, let's say he loses.
Speaker 1: Is he just going to run again?
Speaker 2: It would be the Godfather? Don't you guys think he'll
Speaker 2: be the god I think he keeps going and he
Speaker 2: keeps going.
Speaker 1: I mean I have such a hard time envisioning him
Speaker 1: being like I'm done seeking power light, Like he's gonna
Speaker 1: anoint the next person. I mean, that's that's the possibility.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, he also go to jail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if he loses, I think there's a I
Speaker 5: would bet, like I would actually put money that he
Speaker 5: will spend time in prison.
Speaker 6: But what for at that point, I mean, they're all
Speaker 6: getting through out.
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, his sentencing is twenty five. The Georgia case,
Speaker 3: what happened with the documents?
Speaker 2: One that's pushed the twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: And so there are still things.
Speaker 6: She threw it most of it out right.
Speaker 1: There are still things with the UH like January sixth
Speaker 1: related election interference one that my understanding is that are
Speaker 1: prosecutable even with the Supreme Court's ruling on immunity. But
Speaker 1: it has to go back through the process and figure
Speaker 1: out what those things are. So may still be something
Speaker 1: some there there that they could go after him for
Speaker 1: that would carry some decent penalties. And I don't I
Speaker 1: don't have to go back and refresh my memory. And
Speaker 1: where the documents case stands, it's.
Speaker 5: The brag case, so the false playing business records case
Speaker 5: that's thirty four fellony accounts and the.
Speaker 3: Sentencing that's not going to be jail.
Speaker 5: The sentencing right now is on September eighteenth, and this
Speaker 5: judge Marshawn despises Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: So I would really white shocked if they.
Speaker 6: Put him in non violent first time offender.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, it'll be interesting. So all right, well, people,
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