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Speaker 2: But enough with that, Let's get to the show, all right, everybody,

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Speaker 2: we are coming out of Kamala Harris's speech officially doesn't

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Speaker 2: seem like there will be a special guest, and we'll

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Speaker 2: give you our reactions. Not as long of a speech

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Speaker 2: as I initially expected. I think I've rolled in roughly

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Speaker 2: around a half hour mark or so. Started with biography,

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Speaker 2: had some economy, foreign policy, and then some of the

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Speaker 2: generic wrap up there. So Crystal overall, what was your pusson?

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Speaker 1: I can't get away from the Gaza portion, which just

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Speaker 1: absolutely sucked, y, you know, I mean, it's one thing.

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Speaker 1: The key thing here for me is the language around

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Speaker 1: October seventh is appropriately evocative, right, It's visceral. It's about

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Speaker 1: the whoors the There is responsibility ascribed for the atrocities

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Speaker 1: that were committed on October seventh by Hamas. When it's Palestinians,

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Speaker 1: suddenly they're just they're just suffering by who why? For what?

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Speaker 1: She doesn't say? And I mean that's typical, right. I

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Speaker 1: guess she said more about them than probably Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: would have. But if you're looking for any indication that

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Speaker 1: there would be a different policy here with regard to Israel,

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Speaker 1: like there's zero indication of that. And the entire foreign

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Speaker 1: policy portion, So you were making this point of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, Hillary Clinton sort of leans into trying to

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Speaker 1: be super hawkish to overcome like the sense of you know, oh,

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Speaker 1: because I'm a woman, and people won't the entire foreign

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Speaker 1: policy section read to me like that, you know, going

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Speaker 1: it like basically like warmongering against Iran, and I will

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Speaker 1: create the most lethal military that has.

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Speaker 3: Ever existed, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: It's like, all right, lethal military. I will never give Israel.

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Speaker 2: I will never stop Israel's right to defend itself. I'll

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Speaker 2: always give them the arms. I will bomb Iron if

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Speaker 2: I need to. Oh, actually, Kim Jong un like hope

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Speaker 2: to make a deal with Oh no, no, he's actually

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Speaker 2: cheering for Donald Trump. It was very classic neo conservative rhetoric.

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Speaker 3: Respect go ahead, I just wanted, so, David, do you

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Speaker 2: News by the way, he supposed to separately going no,

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Speaker 2: I completely agree.

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Speaker 4: I mean I think that that, but I also think

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Speaker 4: that again what we were talking about before, that the

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Speaker 4: idea that she reflects the center of the Democratic Party

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Speaker 4: that was a very center of the Democratic Party speech

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Speaker 4: and on the economy as well. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: I also think that she has recognized, rightly so fair

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Speaker 4: or unfair, that her economic the views people view her

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Speaker 4: as different from Biden as a vessel for economic policy, yeah,

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Speaker 4: which I'm not exactly sure is completely fair, but she's

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Speaker 4: benefiting from it right that she gets to say I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna do that, I'm dealing with affordability, I'm going to

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Speaker 4: deal with costs without having without having to answer for

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Speaker 5: And we should actually ask David while he's here for

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Speaker 5: your thoughts on There were a lot of references tonight

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Speaker 5: to Kamala Harris post two thousand and eight in the recession,

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Speaker 5: and they're building this myth of Kamala Harris as a

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Speaker 5: basically an economic populist in the midst of the recession

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Speaker 5: back in two thousand and eight and the aftermath of

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight. I haven't seen a ton of

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Speaker 5: media fact checks of that, other than from people like you, David.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean about the age this gets walky. So

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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask the audience to stick with us.

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Speaker 2: But it is important because she made it a central

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Speaker 2: part both of her speech, and we had Roy Cooper,

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Speaker 4: Others, Yeah, I mean, the background is that she was

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Speaker 4: part of a national mortgage settlement that was essentially a

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Speaker 4: giveaway to the banks that created the financial crisis. Without

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Speaker 3: To get them off the legal hooks exactly.

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Speaker 4: Steve, Yeah, there was that she she did not prosecute

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Speaker 1: One point to your point, David, though, it is very

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Speaker 1: and read the he leaves there. Yes, in terms of

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Speaker 6: One other details. You'll lie there and correct correct me

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Speaker 6: if I'm wrong there. But you know, they talk about

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Speaker 6: twenty billion dollars settlement. My memory is that the banks

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Speaker 6: that they saw. That's right. In the banking crisis. Wow,

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Speaker 4: So I think what's bothersome about it, although I can

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Speaker 4: see it from her political advisors, is that they can

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Speaker 4: tell a story that is not just untrue, but that

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Speaker 4: realistic and also bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why sites like yours and drop site news exists.

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Speaker 2: What do you think? What was your overall reaction?

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Speaker 5: So overall, I think it's very clear that Kamala Harris

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Speaker 5: things that hurt her in twenty nineteen is she had

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Speaker 5: a lot of hype and as she started talking more

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Speaker 5: That's because now the entire public has been primed to

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Speaker 5: see her as some Obama esque figure. And well, I

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Speaker 5: do think we've been talking about it all week. This

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Speaker 5: Kamala Harris did a good job tonight, but she is

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Speaker 5: not Barack Obama. And when you're telling people she's Barack Obama,

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Speaker 5: you do run the risk of as soon as she

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Speaker 4: Ultimately.

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Speaker 1: That's an astute point about I mean, clearly like they're

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Speaker 1: very intentionally leaning into even you know, adopting the hope peace. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And one of the things, in terms of a contrast

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Speaker 1: The whole point of Kamala Harris's biographical narrative was to say,

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Speaker 1: children to have and aspire to. You know, I grew

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Speaker 1: and it's a very different biographical narrative than the narrative

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Speaker 1: of you know, I'm the first female, I'm the first

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Speaker 1: talks not only about you know, January sixth and all

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Speaker 1: pivots to, hey, here are the things that he wants

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Speaker 1: So both the sort of grander legitimate grievances against Donald

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was bad. A lot of her

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Speaker 2: I didn't think the January sixth part of the speech

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Speaker 3: Bad, but those those hits work.

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Speaker 2: That's definitely true. People don't like that about it just

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Speaker 5: They're already voting for her.

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Speaker 2: I will say, this was not as good as a

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Speaker 2: stump I mean, comparing contrasts to Tim Walls. I don't

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's I think Tim Walls is

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Speaker 1: over the Kamala Harris Sarah right into the till.

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Speaker 2: But that's not.

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Speaker 6: I miss it on your point about her economic arguments

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Speaker 6: being negative rather than positive, she easily could have done.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's going to try to repeal the ACA again.

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Speaker 6: He's going to cut your soul security though he's been

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Speaker 6: saying on the stump repeatedly, you know he's not going

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Speaker 6: but because he tried to do it, you know, and

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Speaker 6: when he was president, she's gonna take that clean shot.

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Speaker 6: She could have added. And I'm going to expand Medicare

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Speaker 6: so it includes dental envision or you know, I'm going

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Speaker 6: to uh add the child you're gonna get a child

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Speaker 6: tax credit. Did he did she do any of the case.

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Speaker 2: I did not hear the world out well, there's this

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Speaker 2: opportunity economy thing she did.

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Speaker 1: She she did touch on some of those pieces. She

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Speaker 1: win on abortion. And I also think that for them

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Speaker 1: the landscape of like who's going to be better, you know,

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Speaker 1: family policy and like social welfare policy for families. I

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Speaker 1: also think that's dramatically losing territory for Republicans. I don't

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Speaker 1: think Democrats, especially given the current framing and the fact

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Speaker 1: that they've completely accepted Republican framing on immigration, like you

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Speaker 1: just shouldn't talk about immigration, Like the best thing you

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Speaker 1: could do is just not have this election be about immigration.

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Speaker 1: That is what your opponent wants this election to be about.

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Speaker 1: So the amount that they affirmatively brought it up, and

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Speaker 1: they had their little like montage is ready, and she

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Speaker 1: had a significant part of her speech in here, and

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Speaker 1: they think it's such such a brilliant strategy to be like, actually,

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Speaker 1: we came up with the toughest border strategy ever and

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Speaker 1: adopted all of you know, the Trumpian tactics, and the

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Speaker 1: border patrol loved it, and you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Hate it from a moral perspective.

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Speaker 1: I think it's wrong, But I also think it's stupid politically,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot of data to back

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Speaker 1: that up. So the best thing that they could do

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Speaker 1: on immigration is just try to change the subject.

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Speaker 3: In my humble opinion, I have a question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is Ryan David. Maybe you Crystal. You

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Speaker 5: guys have been to a fair amount of dem conventions.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing my second one sixteen I was at sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Ryan's been there since eight.

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Speaker 5: Okay, so in terms of nomin you can just see

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Speaker 5: David Sara hating Bob. That's really interesting. That's interesting given

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Speaker 5: what you were talking about earlier, when you were saying,

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Speaker 5: like the center of the Democratic Party looks different now,

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Speaker 5: it's a shift. But in terms of nominee speeches, how

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Speaker 5: did this one compare to what you guys have heard before?

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Speaker 4: It was like pretty I mean because shorter Clinton shorter,

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Speaker 4: and like everything's judged now by Obama. Yeah, so it's

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Speaker 4: like hard.

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Speaker 3: To hard to measure up to that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like you can't measure up to He's a

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Speaker 4: great speaker, David.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you to pick back up on

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Speaker 1: the comments you were making earlier when we were so

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Speaker 1: rudely into erupted by I don't know, Ruben Geig or

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Speaker 1: whoever decided to jump to. You were talking about how

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Speaker 1: the center of the Democratic Party had shifted, and that,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's something for the left to take hart in,

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Speaker 1: because what I thought was maybe the most notable line

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Speaker 1: at the entire convention was freaking Gina Raymondo, who was

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Speaker 1: like the most corporate of corporate VC lady right right

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Speaker 1: was singing from the Lena con hymnal Yes, talking about

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Speaker 1: anti monopoly actions, and I thought, wow, that means this

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Speaker 1: battle is over. Like if even Gina Raymondo is on

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Speaker 1: this tune in the Democratic Party, this is the direction

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Speaker 1: they're going in.

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Speaker 4: I am old enough to remember the DLC. Ryan Graham

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Speaker 4: was probably old enough.

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Speaker 3: I remember the d l.

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Speaker 4: They were. The DLC was the sort of corporate wing

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Speaker 4: of the Democratic Party, and it had its own explicit

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Speaker 4: think tank, it had its own explicit movement. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: kind of camouflaged underground the New Democrats and the divide

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Speaker 4: between the back then the basically the Liberals and the

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Speaker 4: DLC was a definitional battle or divide in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: And that divide brand wise, at least maybe in practice

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Speaker 4: it still exists, but as a branding thing it basically

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Speaker 4: doesn't exist anymore. Right, there's still Third Way that tries

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Speaker 4: to carry the torch.

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Speaker 6: Of Third Way is pretty like right in the middle

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Speaker 6: of the party exactly.

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Speaker 4: So I do think there's this closure now where there

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Speaker 4: was this upsurge in or a culmination in that divide

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Speaker 4: in sixteen between Bernie and Hillary, and that there might

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Speaker 4: have been a continuation of that divide had Biden not

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Speaker 4: unexpectedly in some ways taken up some of the Bernie

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Speaker 4: agenda or a kind of Bernie ish agenda. Right, But

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Speaker 4: because Biden did do that, it doesn't feel like that

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Speaker 4: divide defines this convention or this party anymore.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could remember who wrote the piece, because

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Speaker 1: I would like to give them credit, but my brain

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, so I can't. Someone wrote that it was remarkable,

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Speaker 1: how unremarkable Bernie's speech was, that a lot of his

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Speaker 1: rhetoric sounds just like what Kamala Harris said, and you

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Speaker 1: know Gretchen Whitmer and Tim Walls and everybody else. Right,

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Speaker 1: This much more populist orientation towards economics. Also, the much

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Speaker 1: more accessible language than like the way AOC was talking

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Speaker 1: a few years ago, that has just become the way

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Speaker 1: Democrats talk about economics now. And not just that, but

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Speaker 1: as you're pointing out, you know Joe Biden, who wasn't

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Speaker 1: was the guy who was like doing the bidding of

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Speaker 1: the credit card issuers or.

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Speaker 4: Terrible democraty was basically a DLC Democrat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the terrible track record ends up taking on

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Speaker 1: labor and anti trust in particular being a true break

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Speaker 1: from the neoliberal eras. And I wonder I've asked a

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Speaker 1: few people this question because I find it kind of fascinating, Like,

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Speaker 1: why do you think that happens with Biden?

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Speaker 6: I mean a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 4: I think one, I think he realized the center of

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Speaker 4: the party had shifted in the nineties into the two thousands.

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Speaker 4: The center of the party, or at least the cool

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Speaker 4: thing to be in the party was the guy.

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Speaker 6: Who would kick the way the left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's no.

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Speaker 4: Longer the cool thing to be in the party. And

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Speaker 4: I think that's a credit to Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren,

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Speaker 4: groups like a ELP, the American Economic Liberties Project, the

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Speaker 4: anti trust move right. I think there's a lot of

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Speaker 4: the revived labor movement. I think all of that has

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Speaker 4: worked together to say punching left on economics is no

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Speaker 4: longer the way you get this is no longer the

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Speaker 4: way you advance in the Democratic Party. It's no longer

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Speaker 4: the way to build your brand in the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 4: And that's that seems sort of nebulous and kind of intangible,

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Speaker 4: but it's also really real. That's why then in twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four, Bernie Sanders gives a speech to the Democratic

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Speaker 4: Convention and it now sounds like just a democratic speech rights.

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Speaker 4: That's a huge victory for him.

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Speaker 6: And another material point I'm curious for your take on

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Speaker 6: this is money. Like Obama showed that you can raise

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Speaker 6: hundreds of millions of dollars from small donors. Howard Deane

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Speaker 6: showed first, then Obama, then Bernie raises two hundred plus

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Speaker 6: million dollars. Chuck Schumer watched that and he was like, whoa.

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Speaker 6: Because Chuck Schumer is like an amoral operator, and he's like,

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Speaker 6: wait a minute. So I can hold these these big

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Speaker 6: fundraisers for you know, Wall Street, and they can write,

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Speaker 6: you know, one hundred thousand dollars checks. I can raise

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Speaker 6: fifteen million dollars for every single one of my Senate

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Speaker 6: candidates just by just from people making you know, fifty

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Speaker 6: dollars donations. Because the upper middle class Democrats can do

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Speaker 6: more than just twenty seven dollars to Bernie Sanders, you know,

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Speaker 6: once once a month, once every couple months. They can

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Speaker 6: do when they get angry, they can do fifty bucks

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Speaker 6: to all eight candidates that Chuck Schumer wants them to

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Speaker 6: fund Kamala Harris has raised what three hundred million dollars

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Speaker 6: or something five hundred Yeah, and a lot an enormous

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Speaker 6: amount of that money is from like normal people.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and so, and it doesn't come with any

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Speaker 1: donor obligations either. You don't have to invite them to

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Speaker 1: the Christmas party, you don't have to take a photo, right,

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Speaker 1: you don't tend to care about their concerns or actually

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Speaker 1: care about their concerns or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Still, and even here, which is so interesting given what

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Speaker 5: we're talking about with the if, at least tonally is

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Speaker 5: there's tons of corporate interests represented here. Lee Fong had

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Speaker 5: a great story about it. We were at a thing

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Speaker 5: the other a big picture of Corey Bush, all kinds

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Speaker 5: of different Congress people, the big picture of Corey Bush,

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Speaker 5: and next to it they were like thanking FedEx and

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Speaker 5: Salesforce and m P A A. And so that stuff

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Speaker 5: is still here despite Democrats and the talk.

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Speaker 6: And they foolishly got rid of public funding for conventions,

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Speaker 6: and so you know, the public.

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Speaker 4: This is a corporate event, literally is a corporate event.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean the R and Z is too, let's

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Speaker 2: be clear, of course, of.

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Speaker 4: Course, and I think what they're trying to say is

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Speaker 4: all the corporate branding is we are stakeholders. Yes, right,

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Speaker 4: And I think where does that Where does that actually operate?

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Speaker 4: I think it operates one level below the top line.

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Speaker 4: I'm for X, Y, and Z. The more granular you

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Speaker 4: get on any policy, the more those corporate brands that

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Speaker 4: you saw up in those suites, that's where they're watching.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you mean they're writing these little car bounce in

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Speaker 1: the bill that no one's paying attention to, but means

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Speaker 1: everything to them and their bottom line.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and they bank on no one noticing.

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Speaker 2: I think he should open change here from Trump. Maybe

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Speaker 2: he called into Fox News. Oh for really, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would just put a clip. I went ahead and put

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Speaker 2: it in the rundown mac if you want to go

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Speaker 2: ahead and uh take a listen. Apparently he was rambling.

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Speaker 2: They literally had to cut him off. And uh they've.

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Speaker 3: Been like, Donald Trump, help on him. Are you serious?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's what I'm hearing. So let's go ahead

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Speaker 2: and put it up.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, sir.

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Speaker 7: There has been a huge appeal and momentum for women voters.

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Speaker 7: She's trying to pull that the youth vote, the Hispanic vote,

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Speaker 7: the black vote back in her direction. Polls show that

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Speaker 7: she's having some success.

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Speaker 3: In that at this point.

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Speaker 2: So what are you going to do.

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Speaker 7: What's your strategy to rebuild the momentum that you had

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Speaker 7: with those voters.

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Speaker 8: Now she's not having success. I'm having success. I'm doing

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Speaker 8: great with the Hispanic voters. I'm doing great with black men.

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Speaker 8: I'm doing great with women because women want safety. They

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Speaker 8: want safety, and they don't have safety when they have

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Speaker 8: somebody allowing twenty million people into our country, many of

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Speaker 8: them very dangerous people. No, it's only in your eyes

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Speaker 8: that they have that, Bartha. We're doing very well in

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Speaker 8: the polls. We're leading in most of the polls, and

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Speaker 8: in the swing states, we're leading in almost every one

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Speaker 8: of them. Workers are voting for me because you're not

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Speaker 8: going to have an auto industry if she gets selected

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Speaker 8: electric cars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was basically like that. The report was

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Speaker 2: that he sounded like one of those c SPAN random.

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Speaker 3: CLSs came in on the independent.

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Speaker 2: Line, Donald, you're up to dad?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? No, what did you think he's always founded.

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Speaker 2: Social let's pull his truth socialidia.

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Speaker 5: That is wow.

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Speaker 2: I will say.

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Speaker 5: That's not so different from most of his calls to

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Speaker 5: fair enough.

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Speaker 2: I agree, and actually the reduction in those has probably

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Speaker 2: been a good thing. Let's see. Look, it's crazy Nancy Pelosi.

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Speaker 2: Where's crooked Joe? There will be future under has led

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Speaker 2: us into a failing nation status. She talks about compassion,

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Speaker 2: doesn't talk about all the people she's allowed into our country.

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Speaker 2: Keep going. She's done nothing for three and a half years,

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Speaker 2: but talk and what she's doing tonight she talks about

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Speaker 2: other countries border. Nothing about our borders stands for incompetence

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Speaker 2: and weakness. Our country is being laughed at. Do you

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Speaker 2: guys think he was.

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Speaker 5: Caused?

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Speaker 2: She caused the attack of October. So here's how you

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Speaker 2: know he is doing the tweeting. Look at the random

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Speaker 2: capitalization talking about we G. I don't know, you probably Donald.

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Speaker 1: This would be actually a good time to talk about

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Speaker 1: something we haven't fully addressed yet, which is that it

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Speaker 1: does look like RFK Junior is dropping out tomorrow endorsing Trump.

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Speaker 5: Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me pull that up. It is here. I

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Speaker 2: can put this into the rundown. Officially, the RFK Junior

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Speaker 2: campaign has filed paperwork in the state of Arizona.

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Speaker 1: They didn't they're dropping their claim to try to get.

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Speaker 2: Us withdrawn from the presidential race. Mac I just put

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Speaker 2: it into the rundown. There we go, maybe zoom in

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Speaker 2: quick on the image so that people can see.

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Speaker 3: With drawn from the presidential race in Arizona.

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Speaker 2: In the state of Arizona. There'd be no reason to

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Speaker 2: withdraw all the ballots that you connected if it didn't

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Speaker 2: mean that you weren't at least at the very least

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Speaker 2: dropping out Jad What was it Griffin? Yesterday we were

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Speaker 2: watching JD on Jake Tapper, didn't he make a comment

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Speaker 2: about RFK. He was like, I'm not sure if it's

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Speaker 2: gonna happen, but of course we would welcome that. We

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Speaker 2: would we could talk to him about vaccine mandates or

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Speaker 2: something like that. But it's looking more and more prediction

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Speaker 2: having it like eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it looks like it's happening. And there's

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Speaker 1: been this flirtation going on for a while. Now you

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Speaker 1: know that's been reported out. I don't know how much

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Speaker 1: of a difference it really makes electorally at this point,

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Speaker 1: because he was down about five percent in the holes,

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Speaker 1: but it's definitely a you know, positive development if you're Trump,

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Speaker 1: because he was taking he was serving like a kind

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Speaker 1: of a Jillsteine roll for the Sorry if.

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Speaker 2: You saw Michigan, he I mean it would in my

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Speaker 2: head RFK was if Trump lost, and he lost in

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Speaker 2: a narrow election, it would have been r Yeah, if

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Speaker 2: RK was still in the race, because if you looked

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Speaker 2: at Michigan, wisconsinin North Carolina, he was on the He

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Speaker 2: was on the ballot in all the battleground states Arizona,

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Speaker 2: which he just withdrew out of. These are states he

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Speaker 2: barely won last time around or lost. So to me,

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Speaker 2: I mean five percent, five percent a ton you know,

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Speaker 2: on the margin. So I actually would put like RFK

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Speaker 2: dropping out and endorsing Trump to me, actually puts it

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Speaker 2: fully back a coin flip, because I'm like, the margins

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Speaker 2: now are so slim for Kamala and it will have

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Speaker 2: to be a full on like battle to the death

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Speaker 2: of get get the voters out, you know, turn out

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Speaker 2: as much as humanly possible. Yeah, with your faithful. Whereas

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Speaker 2: with RFK and the race, the Democrats did not have

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Speaker 2: to perform at an A plus level, And I think

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Speaker 2: now that they do.

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Speaker 1: One thing that I really that I hate about this

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Speaker 1: is now all the people who always say every third party. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you're right about Republicans, like, yeah, they get a lot

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Speaker 1: of ammunition because I mean he yeah, he really claimed,

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Speaker 1: but no, no, I can't stand I can't stand by,

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Speaker 1: and I want to defeat both of them, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. And you know, it certainly looks like from

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Speaker 1: the way that his running mate was talking about it,

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Speaker 1: the the the real like ultimate core of this was

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Speaker 1: always I want to hurt the Democrats. And so when

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Speaker 1: it came down to it, and it was very clear, okay,

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Speaker 1: you're not hurting the Democrats anymore, then you know, he

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Speaker 1: makes makes the move, and it was it was the

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Speaker 1: right that was nice to him in the beginning, and

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Speaker 1: so he feels some common cause with them or whatever

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Speaker 1: his zone ego. He wants to get some cabinet position,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, and they offered him the best deal. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it gives so much credence to this talking point that

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Speaker 1: in reality, all of these third party candidates are just

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Speaker 1: you know, Republican plants trying to hurt the whoever the

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Speaker 1: Democrat is.

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Speaker 2: That they're absolutely right.

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Speaker 6: While we've got the writer of don't look up here,

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to ask what your thoughts about the

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Speaker 6: pretty much total absence of any change there.

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Speaker 2: Was today was for the future.

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Speaker 1: They had they had Death Hollands on to talk about it,

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Speaker 1: and then Maxwell Frost was talking about it. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if there were other speakers, but other than those two,

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Speaker 1: it's been notably absent.

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Speaker 4: I think the Republicans have done a good job with

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Speaker 4: making the issue almost like almost unfortunately like immigration for

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Speaker 4: the Democrats that every time the Democrats now talk about it,

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Speaker 4: it gives the Republicans an opportunity to talk about higher

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Speaker 4: energy prices, to talk about you know, they want.

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Speaker 2: To control they want paper straws.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they want to control the economy. They've done a

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Speaker 4: really good job of making it into like to use

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Speaker 4: a Tim Waltz term, like a weird issue, which is

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Speaker 4: really hard, which is really terrifying, exactly like it takes

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Speaker 4: away the or the Republicans have done a good job

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Speaker 4: of taking of making it as a weapon against the

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Speaker 4: social libertarianism. They're going to control, you know, how you

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Speaker 4: use energy while you drive. And I think what's obviously

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Speaker 4: tragic about that is that the crisis is actually worse

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Speaker 4: it is real, So how Democrats can break that is

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Speaker 4: kind of like the biggest political question. He's just up to.

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Speaker 6: China to just figure it out. Figure Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Really terrifying that there's this huge problem that both parties.

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Speaker 4: I don't really want to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the only good news is that I think I

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Speaker 2: believe between Tim and Trump, we now have two nuclear

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Speaker 2: pro nuclear candidates which are in the race. Tim Wallas

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Speaker 2: is pro nuclear. Trump is endorsed nuclear. We'll see. But

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Speaker 2: I mean, if Elon is there, it's like it's possibly

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Speaker 2: one of.

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Speaker 5: The only well and then junior head of the e

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Speaker 5: P A.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, but RFK is very anti nuclear. Remember he

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Speaker 2: went off right, but he's but he's.

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Speaker 5: Pro but he's obviously a he's not a climate denier.

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Speaker 1: He's when we when I interviewed him on environmental issues,

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Speaker 1: he was like, well, yeah, I believe in you guys

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Speaker 1: should go and watched.

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Speaker 3: It's been a long while.

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Speaker 1: But he was like, well, I believe in it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not really going to talk about it because I

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Speaker 1: think it turns people off. And then he and then

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Speaker 1: he goes into this whole thing about like the free market.

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Speaker 1: The answer is the free market, right, yeah?

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Speaker 2: And I was like he was, it's just too dangerous.

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Speaker 2: The opportunity is position.

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Speaker 4: It's almost like there's an asteroid head towards Earth.

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Speaker 2: It's a good metaphor, Emily.

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Speaker 5: I'll start by saying, good, not great, bubbles likely to

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Speaker 5: pop soon, and sugar sugar could end all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's very hard for me to separate,

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Speaker 1: you know, my horror at what's happening in Gaza from

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Speaker 1: this overall convention and direction of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 3: But I think the.

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Speaker 1: Real star of this ticket is actually Tim Walls in

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Speaker 1: terms of his messaging intelligence and credibility of having a positive,

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Speaker 1: affirmative economic agenda. I think is a much more effective

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Speaker 1: political actor than Kamala Harris is. And you know, so

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Speaker 1: my takeaway is that a lot of the most successful

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Speaker 1: framing in our particulation from this convention was courtesy of

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Speaker 1: the way he talks about politics and the way he

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Speaker 1: operates in a political context as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mostly concur with Emily. I think it was good,

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Speaker 2: not great. I mean, I mean, I think I said

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Speaker 2: C plus earlier. I think it's probably where I stand.

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Speaker 2: I really don't think it was her best even since

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Speaker 2: she became the candidate. She did certainly throw enough of

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Speaker 2: what she needed to. I think she gave a replacement

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00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: level speech. It's the political chameleon that we all like

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Speaker 2: know and love, I guess at this point for people

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Speaker 2: who cover politics for a living. But let's not forget

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Speaker 2: that that is popular. The vibes are still good. People

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00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 2: here were really enthusiastic, like almost messianic, you know, in

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00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: the convention hall. And that's probably the single best reason

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Speaker 2: I'm really happy that I was here in Chicago to

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Speaker 2: imbibe that, because that's not something that necessarily may come

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Speaker 2: through enough on the screen, but to speed within the

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Speaker 2: convention and talk to people and see all the enthusiasm. Like, No,

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Speaker 2: my main takeaway I keep saying it, you know all

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Speaker 2: tonight is like these people are playing to win, and

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Speaker 2: you really think they are in it to win it,

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Speaker 2: and I think Republicans should be afraid.

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Speaker 5: You see that from some people who aren't here, who

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00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 5: are just like.

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Speaker 2: That, Yes, I wish you were here, Broke, No, it's true,

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Speaker 2: It's really true.

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Speaker 6: I was just trying to do the math, and it

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Speaker 6: looks like about eleven weeks and ish until the election,

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Speaker 6: and you know, many fewer than that until the mail

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Speaker 6: ballots start to go out. So she just has to

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Speaker 6: like avoid interviews, avoid press conferences.

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Speaker 5: She's been doing a great job about.

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Speaker 6: She's hung in there so far. It'll be interesting if

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Speaker 6: she can just keep it, just hold it together. She's like,

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Speaker 6: that's her whole thing. She just has to hold it

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Speaker 6: together for not much longer. Yeah, it's a four day

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Speaker 6: so wild, wild process.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing is because she is very like, people

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Speaker 1: don't feel like they're not seeing It's not like Biden

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Speaker 1: where he was just like in the basement, we didn't

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Speaker 1: see it at all and it was notable his absence.

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Speaker 3: Like, she feels very present.

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Speaker 1: And so I don't think she's paying any price with

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Speaker 1: the public for that. In the media is certainly not

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Speaker 1: like you.

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Speaker 2: Know, outrage the media is not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I don't think unfortunately, I don't think

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Speaker 1: she pays any real price for failing to do press, commerce,

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Speaker 1: to talk to the media, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: But I guess my only I think the main takeaway

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Speaker 4: is they have a first do no harm strategy. They

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Speaker 4: are implementing it really well tactically. Uh, it is frustrating

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Speaker 4: if you want to know more, because any more that

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00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 4: you would know is a threat of doing harm to

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Speaker 4: the campaign. And I think we should expect that until

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Speaker 4: if the bubble bursts or the vibes go bad, they'll

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Speaker 4: have to shift strategies out of a first do no harm,

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Speaker 4: they'll have to take more risks. But until there, until

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Speaker 4: there is a perception that something's gone wrong, this is

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Speaker 4: what it's going to be.

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Speaker 5: It's not broke.

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Speaker 2: Don't fix it right, don't forget everybody. We have a

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Speaker 2: promotion going on right now, Mac, can we put that

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Speaker 2: graphic please up on the screen. We are having a

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: So here's a question for BP. Would you guys consider

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Speaker 2: doing live panels in the future for the regular show.

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00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: The energy and the vibe with everyone there is so fun,

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Speaker 2: and so is the engagement with the live chat Crystal.

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Speaker 3: I mean maybe it is.

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Speaker 1: It's always fun, especially having Ryan and like all of

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Speaker 1: us together. Of course, having the great David Sirota with

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Speaker 1: us as well. Thank you by the way, David, thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming. Is super fun. I don't it's like

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Speaker 1: technically complicated to change the way we do the show

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Speaker 1: on a day to day basis. But but there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of debates coming up and then election, and so

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Speaker 1: we'll be doing obviously lots of this for those events,

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Speaker 1: which is always fun.

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Speaker 5: And we really missed Crystal always.

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Speaker 1: We really that's nice talk.

872
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Speaker 5: We had a very funny We had a very funny,

873
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 5: funny encounter with one viewer last night. Yeah, just was like,

874
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Speaker 5: where's the Crystal And she was really old.

875
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Speaker 2: Stuck on a plane shout out to enraged cog by

876
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: the way, enraged at the thing giving her a shout out.

877
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: We met her in person, was very nice. She's extremely

878
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: kind and very funny and I love her.

879
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 5: Uh, tons of excitement for drops.

880
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: It was a good Here's here's an interesting one that

881
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: I did. I didn't honestly catch this, but they say,

882
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: how do you all feel about Kamala messaging as being

883
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: inevitable when I'm president versus the traditional if you elect

884
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: me message?

885
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 5: I think it's the next president president.

886
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, speaking now the next president of the United States,

887
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: I would say that's extremely uh extremely.

888
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 5: Tim is going to be the best vice president.

889
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

890
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: What about from Tara Albaron, will there be a post

891
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: DMC bump? What are your estimated guesses on the bump?

892
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: Bring traditional is one to two reading some Nate's Silver analysis,

893
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 2: it was about one to two points. So you usually get.

894
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 6: It is unfair hurt to Trump, like he he asked

895
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 6: for a refund, he deserves it. It feels like Republicans

896
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 6: didn't get a convention.

897
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.

898
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 6: It's like they did their convention. Now, they could have

899
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 6: seen that it was coming, you know, as we saw it.

900
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 6: We saw it. Yeah, I thought it was going to happen.

901
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 6: I went but go ahead.

902
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 5: Was that I went back and read J. D. Vance's speech.

903
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 5: It was all about Biden.

904
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, but there were a bunch of right wingers

905
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Speaker 6: who were saying, stop focusing on Biden, stopped focusing on

906
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 6: Bid like so in real time it was obvious that

907
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 6: they were making attack.

908
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Was because I was gone for the wedding. Was that

909
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: in the discourse at that time?

910
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, some some yeah, like yeah, I mean what happened.

911
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: If you want to relive the timeline is, you know,

912
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 1: the Trump assassination attempt happens, it shuts down for just

913
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: a few days, all the discourse about pushing Biden out,

914
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: and for a minute there it really did feel like, oh,

915
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: well that's it now, this is over. But it quickly

916
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: got rekindled.

917
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 3: While they're doing Yeah, while they're.

918
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: Doing the RNC, this quickly gets rekindled. And so there

919
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 1: was discourse at the time, Like I frankly was kind

920
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: of shocked that they were still just focusing on Biden

921
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: versus Yeah, there's a little bit of an attempt to

922
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 1: Biden Harris Biden Harris. But you can see even now

923
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: Trump is having trouble shifting to not focusing on Biden

924
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: to focusing on Kamala Harris. It has taken him time.

925
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: He is also an elderly individual, and I think his

926
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: brain had locked into this one model of the election

927
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: and has had a very hard time shifting.

928
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Speaker 6: It still has tonight.

929
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 2: Where's Crooked Joe?

930
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

931
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: And he hasn't figured out what the best line of

932
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Speaker 1: attack with Kamala.

933
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Speaker 3: He's kind of.

934
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 1: All over the place. You know, he workshopped this like, oh,

935
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Speaker 1: she's not really black. Thing that didn't really work, you know,

936
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Speaker 1: it didn't get the He's expecting the typical liberal freak out,

937
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: and they just were sort of like rolled their eyes

938
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: and it.

939
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: On the chat is offering twenty dollars if he shot

940
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: on the beer.

941
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Speaker 5: The beer's gone.

942
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Speaker 2: Oh, actually there's not much.

943
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 5: Yeah, we well, another thing to remember, by the way,

944
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 5: on the sugar high is that we are right. The

945
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: dunst did their conventions so late that we have a

946
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 5: week until Labor Day, and a lot of the campaign

947
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Speaker 5: strategies are to hit the ground running after Labor Day,

948
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 5: so they're bumped and their sugar high will absolutely last

949
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 5: another week, no question about it.

950
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Speaker 2: Okay, was continued to keep and oh, here's a good one.

951
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: What happens after Trump. I've actually been thinking about this

952
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: a lot. I Trump for my man JD. It's not

953
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: going to be good. I'm really worried about it because

954
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: what I think will happen is I think that Maga

955
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 2: will turn. Trump has no loyalty, right, so Trump will

956
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 2: be like, it's your fault, your childish cat lady. Bullshit

957
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: is the reason I lost, even though it's like, well,

958
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: hold on a second, dude, like your name was on

959
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: the thing and you like okay. And then the other

960
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: problem is that the right wingers like the establishment people

961
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: they already hate it, people like Lindsay Grant him and

962
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: all these others, and so I think it will be

963
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: like a brutal defastration that modern politics has seen. Heritage Foundation,

964
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 2: Kevin Roberts will be gone. A lot of the people

965
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: who are aligned like with Oh, I do I think

966
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: they'll fire his ass. I mean, it's got to be

967
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: one of the biggest political fuck ups.

968
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 5: They've raised so much money off of it.

969
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but if you cost Trump the election, he

970
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: will turn on you. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. That's true.

971
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is there will be a brutal internal

972
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: civil war national Conservatism and anybody who believes in the

973
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: child tax credit and all that Ukraine's skepticism, You're done, Like.

974
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 5: I don't think so. No, I don't think so, because.

975
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 2: So certain they will go full Glenn Young.

976
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 8: No.

977
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 5: So here's my position on it is, we genuinely have

978
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 5: absolutely no idea because anything could happen to Donald Trump.

979
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 5: Donald Trump to mega people could quite literally get martyred,

980
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 5: and we were within millimeters of that happening. Like there

981
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 5: are all kinds of black Swan events that could change,

982
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 5: would actually and and how Trump ends up like before

983
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 5: January six, Yeah, nobody knew January six was good like

984
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 5: it direction.

985
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you're I'm sure current prediction, like my

986
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: general thing is I think they will come for JD

987
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: and they will try to absolutely destroy him. They will.

988
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 5: But Trump has this incredible like it's like thirty percent

989
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 5: of Republican voters they just love Donald Trump. And that's

990
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 5: It's more than DeSantis, It's more than Nikki Haley. It's

991
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 5: more than any other person is able to capture right

992
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 5: now as a proportion, And so he will. He's not

993
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 5: going anywhere, but.

994
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: That See, that's my question is Okay, let's say he loses.

995
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: Is he just going to run again?

996
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 2: It would be the Godfather? Don't you guys think he'll

997
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: be the god I think he keeps going and he

998
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: keeps going.

999
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 1: I mean I have such a hard time envisioning him

1000
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: being like I'm done seeking power light, Like he's gonna

1001
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: anoint the next person. I mean, that's that's the possibility.

1002
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 2: Well, hey, he also go to jail.

1003
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if he loses, I think there's a I

1004
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 5: would bet, like I would actually put money that he

1005
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 5: will spend time in prison.

1006
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 6: But what for at that point, I mean, they're all

1007
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 6: getting through out.

1008
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, his sentencing is twenty five. The Georgia case,

1009
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: what happened with the documents?

1010
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: One that's pushed the twenty twenty.

1011
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,800
Speaker 3: And so there are still things.

1012
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 6: She threw it most of it out right.

1013
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: There are still things with the UH like January sixth

1014
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: related election interference one that my understanding is that are

1015
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: prosecutable even with the Supreme Court's ruling on immunity. But

1016
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: it has to go back through the process and figure

1017
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: out what those things are. So may still be something

1018
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: some there there that they could go after him for

1019
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: that would carry some decent penalties. And I don't I

1020
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: don't have to go back and refresh my memory. And

1021
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 1: where the documents case stands, it's.

1022
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 5: The brag case, so the false playing business records case

1023
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,479
Speaker 5: that's thirty four fellony accounts and the.

1024
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: Sentencing that's not going to be jail.

1025
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 5: The sentencing right now is on September eighteenth, and this

1026
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 5: judge Marshawn despises Donald Trump.

1027
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 3: So I would really white shocked if they.

1028
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 6: Put him in non violent first time offender.

1029
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, it'll be interesting. So all right, well, people,

1030
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Speaker 2: they just impact.

1031
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Speaker 3: Forget.

1032
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