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Speaker 2: Hello, guys, thank you so much for joining me for

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Speaker 2: another episode of Cheeky's and Chill. I'm your host Cheeky's

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Cheeky's and Chill. Today's guest

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Speaker 2: Latin X Therapy. You guys, I'm so excited to talk

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Speaker 1: How are you hey, I'm great, Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Of course, No, I'm excited. I'm excited because, like I

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Speaker 2: So I'm so happy that you're here, that you're Latina.

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Speaker 2: just bear with me, okay, Yeah, so tell me tell

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Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, so I launched LATINX Therapy in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 1: I came from a family that didn't know that. I

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Speaker 1: Well? I think there's different layers here, but one that

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Speaker 2: think I personally feel that, yes, it would be great

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Speaker 1: My opinion is that before looking for a therapist, people

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Speaker 2: little bit more, even if it's like five minutes over

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Speaker 2: the clock gap asenzia, you know what I mean. Because

432
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Speaker 2: that's that's why I was like, oh no, this isn't

433
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Speaker 2: good for me. Me to change this guy.

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Speaker 1: No, No. And that's that's the thing. Like there's also

435
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Speaker 1: different a therapy approaches, and so you have to really

436
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Speaker 1: be reflective, like do you want someone that's more direct

437
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Speaker 1: with you or more indirect? You got to think about

438
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 1: what kind of therapists you're going to respond to as well,

439
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: because that affects, you know, your time as well.

440
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Living in the society that we live in

441
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: now with Instagram and all these things that are happening

442
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: around us, and how there's there are a lot of facades,

443
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Speaker 2: should I says, and when we're going and we're scrolling

444
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: so much through Instagram, through social media. It causes a

445
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 2: lot of anxiety because you're like, I wish I had that,

446
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: I wish my life was like I wish I looked

447
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: like that. So going back to what you were saying

448
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 2: is as far as like when to find a therapist.

449
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Speaker 2: It's like, of course, when you're asking yourself that, like, oh,

450
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Speaker 2: I have no one to talk to or I'm too

451
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 2: shy to tell my friends this, because there are certain

452
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: things case amos grando, that we want to go out

453
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Speaker 2: there and be like we're strong, I got this, I

454
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: don't cry and all this stuff. But it's like, wait,

455
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 2: you have to find someone in your life to be

456
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Speaker 2: vulnerable with, to remove to ask all these questions, to say, hey,

457
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Speaker 2: I have this secret, I have this thing that I've

458
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: been carrying. Because once you speak to someone that has

459
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Speaker 2: a non biased opinion, I think that just releases you

460
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 2: and relieves you and liberates you to just be able

461
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Speaker 2: to say, okay, yello the hecky I'm going to walk

462
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: forward and keep going with my life. But if bask

463
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Speaker 2: you guys, or having all these different questions or things,

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Speaker 2: that causes anxiety because I'm not gonna lie. Sometimes things

465
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Speaker 2: on Instagram cause me anxiety where I'm like, you know what,

466
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Speaker 2: I got to minimize my screen time and say I'm

467
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 2: going only for this week. I'm just gonna post and

468
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Speaker 2: get out. I'm not going to be scrolling because it

469
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: causes you these things. So if you're feeling that type

470
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Speaker 2: of stuff, you guys, that's when you know, hey, I

471
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Speaker 2: need to talk to someone that's not a family member,

472
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,239
Speaker 2: that's not my best friend, that's not my husband, And

473
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: that's okay, you guys. It does not make you weak.

474
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Speaker 2: It's there's a beautiful thing in being vulnerable. There's a

475
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 2: lot of strength in that, and a lot of people

476
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 2: don't don't applaud that. I will be the first one

477
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Speaker 2: cheering for you. If you're like, you know what, I

478
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 2: listened to Jiguzannadgana today and I think I need to

479
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: go to let anxtherapy dot com and figure out what

480
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 2: the heck is going on in my life because I

481
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: tell I'm telling you it's going to change everything. You're

482
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: gonna feel like you can think different, like you have

483
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 2: more mental energy, more physical energy. Also when you are

484
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Speaker 2: keeping things inside, and I'm telling you, guys, when you

485
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 2: said like you start feeling body eggs for a long time,

486
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: my lower back would hurt so much, my knees would hurt,

487
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: and I started looking it up on the internet, like, Okay,

488
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Speaker 2: you know what emotions are related to this physical pain?

489
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Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, you're you're staying quiet about things,

490
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 2: you feel insecure, things like that, and it's crazy. Once

491
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Speaker 2: you just let it out, you feel better. It's like magic, Right,

492
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Speaker 2: I'm not or do I I'm not crazy? That's true?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely, yeah. I think we hold so much

494
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Speaker 1: in our body that and we use our body like

495
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: a vessel to go through life, and we just put

496
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: it into and through so many different scenarios and situations

497
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Speaker 1: that we most of the time ignore the aches until

498
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Speaker 1: the ages say yeah I can't, you know, please pay

499
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: attention to me. And so we really have to I think,

500
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 1: get in the habit also of learning how to tune

501
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: into our bodies daily so that we're able to help

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00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: ourselves and we do have more energy, more potential. We

503
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: stop holding ourselves back from a lot of things when

504
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: we tend to ourselves, because you're right, there is strength

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Speaker 1: and vulnerability.

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00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And just taking that time in the morning

507
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: to just really have I don't know even fifteen thirty

508
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: minutes to yourself reading a book or doing whatever your therapy,

509
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: whatever it may be, it's going. It's a game changer,

510
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: you guys. It's a game changer. And really prioritizing yourself

511
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Speaker 2: before you can give yourself to your children, to your husband,

512
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: to your friends, to your job. It's something that I

513
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 2: highly recommend. And I wanted to ask you Adana, like

514
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Speaker 2: you've been doing therapy for how long?

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Speaker 1: Now? How many years you said, as in practicing or

516
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Speaker 1: in it myself?

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Speaker 2: Yes, as in practicing as.

518
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Speaker 1: A trainee, I would say since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, And do you find that your clients are younger?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel like how this generation is looking more

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Speaker 2: for therapy or what is your experience.

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Speaker 1: I currently only work with adults bid or you know,

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Speaker 1: I do have other clinicians on my team that do

524
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Speaker 1: work with children. Thinking about social media and the community

525
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: in general, we are noticing that the younger generation is

526
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Speaker 1: carrying all of us like they are trying to do

527
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: all the advocating. And it's amazing because you know, they're

528
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Speaker 1: making statements like my therapist said in public right, which

529
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Speaker 1: for older generation you that would be so difficult because

530
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Speaker 1: there was such a higher stigma then with somebody being

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Speaker 1: in therapy. So I do find that the younger generation

532
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: is normalizing it and they're doing such a great job.

533
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Speaker 1: And I think that's also making other people, like you know,

534
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: in our generation and older generations more comfortable to talk

535
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: about their stories. Everybody's stories includes pieces of mental health,

536
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: but it's all about the connections, you know, that we

537
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: make towards that. So I'm noticing.

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Speaker 2: That that's good and that makes me so happy. It's

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00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: just like I said, there's so much pressure right now

540
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: in just in our society, and like I said, like

541
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: what you got to look look like and what kind

542
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: of life you have to have? And I've noticed, like

543
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: even in my relationship now, that he goes to therapy

544
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: weekly and when he doesn't go, I can tell the difference.

545
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: Not that he's crazy or whatever, like I'm saying, like

546
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 2: that he gets violent or anything like that is what

547
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I mean, but I can tell that he's just Our

548
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 2: problem solving is so much better. And this is a

549
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 2: first guy that I date that actually makes it a

550
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: priority to go to therapy and he's younger than I am,

551
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: so just I'm like, dude, this is awesome, Like more

552
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: men need to do this because it really does help

553
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 2: us because I've gone, like I said, to therapy for

554
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: a long time, but now to be dating someone that's

555
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: doing therapy, that does it weekly on a weekly basis,

556
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 2: Like our conversation, even when we have a discussion or arguments,

557
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: we resolve them so much faster. It's a game tender

558
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 2: in your relationship. So men, if you're listening, for those

559
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: of you that are listening or women, you know what

560
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: it's it's not like I said, it's not a bad thing.

561
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 2: It's not al at apia, you know. If anything, it's

562
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: going to help every area of your life. Yes, I

563
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 2: think it's super sexy that a guy could be like, hey,

564
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: oh my god, I just I want to talk to

565
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: someone that's not you, you know. And at first I

566
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, what do you What do you talk

567
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: to her about? Like things that and here's me okay

568
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: being like this crazy girl. I was like, what do

569
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: you talk to her about that you can't talk to

570
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: me about. He's like, it's just things, and I'm like,

571
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: you know what, You're right, you shouldn't have to talk

572
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: to me about everything, you know what I mean? Like Yeah,

573
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: we're good friends and everything, and we get along very well.

574
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: But and then you come back refreshed because I can

575
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: tell the difference when he does his therapy when I

576
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: do my therapy. So anyways, that's just like my little personal,

577
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 2: you know, thing that I wanted to share their guys.

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Speaker 2: But but Adriana, honestly, I thank you so much, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this conversation. I think it is. It's

580
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: beautiful what you're doing. Keep doing it. I will definitely

581
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: share you on my Instagram as well, so that people

582
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: can go to your website to tell everyone where they

583
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: can find you your social You already gave us a website,

584
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 2: but do it again. Please let them know.

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00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Well, you can find the podcast, which is bilingual, on

586
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: all major podcasters, and you can you know, visit us

587
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: on latinx therapy dot com to find the support groups,

588
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: to find the therapist directory. Our channels are on Instagram

589
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: and TikTok, Twitter, Facebook, LATINX Therapy And then we just

590
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: launched a new small nonprofit called the Alejandra Foundation, where

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00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fundraising for to give money to folks

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Speaker 1: to be able to afford specialized you know, mental health treatment,

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00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: treatment that our community deserves. So that's through Alejandra Foundation

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Speaker 1: dot org.

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, girl, I'm so honestly so happy, so

596
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: proud of you. This is great. Like I'm I always

597
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: Latinos that we are empowering and inspiring each other, and

598
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: this is what Adriana is doing. So I know everyone

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00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: else everyone. I always like to end my episodes with

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Speaker 2: a quote, and I thought, since we're talking about therapy,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to go ahead and read this one. It's okay.

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00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: It's okay to make mistakes, to have bad days, to

603
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: be less than perfect, to do what's best for you,

604
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 2: to be yourself. It's okay to ask for help. This

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