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Speaker 1: Native Lampod is a production in partnership with Resent Choice

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all. This is episode seventy of Native Lampod.

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Speaker 1: I am your host, Angela. Right, this is your host

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Speaker 1: Andrew Gilliman. This is your host Tiffany Cross. We are

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be yes, all right, what's up? We are

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Speaker 1: thrilled to be with y'all today. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: to get into. What do y'all want to talk about today?

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Speaker 3: I'm excited a topic. This is Angela's topic that she chose,

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Speaker 3: but I'm super excited to talk about it. Angela had

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to go down to Selma for the sixtieth

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Speaker 3: commemoration of Bloody Sunday, which is, of course, when black

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Speaker 3: folks cross the Edmund Pettis Bridge to fight for voting rights,

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Speaker 3: and so angel was on ground and wanted to talk

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Speaker 3: about what has changed since Selma and I'm salivating at

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to get into that.

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Speaker 4: I love that. I love that. Well, ladies, I wanted

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Speaker 4: to just bring up while it may be on this

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Speaker 4: top because the sixty letters at the federal government Department

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Speaker 4: of Education civil rights divisions sent to college and the university,

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Speaker 4: really cracking down on protests on college campuses and essentially

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Speaker 4: saying that these sixty institutions that are now under federal

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Speaker 4: investigation need to do better to protect Jewish students. And

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Speaker 4: I just want to explore a little bit at what

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Speaker 4: costs how this differentiates between how the Civil Rights Act

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Speaker 4: has been used previously in its application to make universities

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Speaker 4: of a welcoming environment. And would just love, love love

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Speaker 4: to dialogue with you all about where we could potentially

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Speaker 4: see this go when we think about DEI and other

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Speaker 4: efforts by the federal government to basically squash it out

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Speaker 4: of any governmental institution.

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Speaker 5: Add it, thanks, Andrew.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about this pending

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Speaker 1: government shut down and this continuing resolution which is essentially

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Speaker 1: a budget stopgap measure that passed the House.

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Speaker 5: Before we recorded.

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Speaker 1: It's being considered right now in the Senate as we record,

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk about what are congressional democrats getting wrong

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Speaker 1: about the urgency of the moment with the stop got

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Speaker 1: measures the backdrop. And of course we're going to get

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Speaker 1: in the target fast because that's what black folks want

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Speaker 1: to talk about.

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Speaker 5: Everywhere right now. So welcome home, y'all. We're going to

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Speaker 5: dive into the show.

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Speaker 6: Welcome home, Hi, Native Lampard. My name is Rachel. I

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Speaker 6: live in the Bronx, and I'm just coming to you

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Speaker 6: with a pretty important question to me right now, which

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Speaker 6: is in regard to boycotts. Currently, there have been a

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Speaker 6: lot of boycotts of various corporations, are calls to boycott

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Speaker 6: various corporations, and I just want to understand how we

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Speaker 6: do that effectively without hurting the folks that we don't

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Speaker 6: want to hurt. In this very integrated economy, I think

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Speaker 6: we are in a very different economic space than we

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Speaker 6: were in the nineteen sixties. And while it's understandable that

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Speaker 6: we boycott some places, others are pretty wide reaching, have

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Speaker 6: multi cultural workforce, employ a lot of black and brown

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Speaker 6: people specifically, and lost in revenue may first hit them

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Speaker 6: before it hits the pockets of the large corporate owners

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Speaker 6: of these places that we definitely do want to hurt.

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Speaker 6: But how can we be more strategic about how we

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Speaker 6: go about these boy cass considering that integration of our

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Speaker 6: economy and that we don't want to hurt black and

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Speaker 6: brown people. And other folks who are working class.

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Speaker 7: Power concedes nothing without a demand. Target feels our demand.

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Speaker 7: I want to thank you. Over one hundred and forty

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Speaker 7: thousand people are standing strong against the injustices practiced by Target.

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Speaker 7: We believe if we are spending twelve million dollars a day,

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Speaker 7: then you need to respect us. We absolutely believe if

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Speaker 7: Target is one of the largest employers of black people,

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Speaker 7: second only to the federal government, you need to honor us.

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Speaker 7: And so people by the thousands are pulling off and

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Speaker 7: not pulling into Target.

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Speaker 8: Their stock has dropped by thirteen percent, lowering it by

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Speaker 8: twelve dollars a share. They've already lost over two billion

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Speaker 8: dollars in their value. I'm so thankful we're just getting

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Speaker 8: started and we ain't gonna let nobody.

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Speaker 4: Turn us around.

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Speaker 8: I need you to sign up at targetfast dot org

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Speaker 8: right now.

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Speaker 7: Because the movement is moving. We won't stop till we

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Speaker 7: get enough. Stay plugged in and.

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Speaker 1: Let me find out we ran a commercial. Jamal, We

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Speaker 1: love you for real, but I'm gonna tell you this

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Speaker 1: right now. You guys, I signed up on targetfast dot

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Speaker 1: org to support what they're doing, and I was floored

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Speaker 1: by some of the things that they listed the like,

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Speaker 1: the thoroughness of the demand, the thoroughness of the approach,

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Speaker 1: the ways in which they carefully and strategically, almost surgically

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Speaker 1: laid out what should be happening since last week Ash

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Speaker 1: Wednesday on the target fast for forty days. So I'm

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Speaker 1: eager to hear what you are. I have to say, clearly,

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Speaker 1: I like it. I want to hear what y'all think.

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Speaker 3: I'd love it, you know. I just want to first say,

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Speaker 3: for our viewers to understand what Pastor Jamal Harris Bryan

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Speaker 3: is going through. There have been protesters outside his church

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Speaker 3: since he's been on the forefront of this fight and

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Speaker 3: very outspoken civil rights leader. Is not just a fast

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Speaker 3: that he's promoting, but he's actually, to Angelo's point, thinking

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Speaker 3: through long term strategy that I'm sure we'll be talking

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Speaker 3: about in the weeks to come on this show. The

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Speaker 3: last that he referenced the protesters who were in front

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Speaker 3: free Derek Chauvin, who is, of course the police officer

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Speaker 3: who murdered George Floyd. So he really is putting himself

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Speaker 3: want to express my gratitude because that's what it takes, fearless,

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Speaker 3: bold leadership that we're not seeing in some of our

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Speaker 3: different sectors out here that promote us Black consumers have

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Speaker 3: reached a two trillion dollar buying power, that's according to Nielsen,

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Speaker 3: and we have to start thinking about how we want

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Speaker 3: to exercise that buying power. And I will say it's

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Speaker 3: really challenging, you know, because the target is not the

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Speaker 3: only place, But we have to start somewhere and build

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Speaker 3: momentum from from that. But my former employer, Paramount, who

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Speaker 3: Trump administrations. Corporations are proactively capitulating to this administration. So

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Speaker 3: I do think that we have to start considering how

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Speaker 3: And if you target white man's money, I just feel

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Speaker 3: like that's when you get attention.

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Speaker 4: I feel that I feel that I want to go

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Speaker 4: specifically to this question of the market today and the

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Speaker 4: interrelatedness of industry and our economy is different today than

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Speaker 4: it was in the sixties. That is true and in truth,

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Speaker 4: and Reverend Bryant Bishop I like to call them mention

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Speaker 4: this on the offset that power sees nothing without a

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Speaker 4: black folks who are vendors to target. The good news

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Speaker 4: to still direct sell you their product in addition to

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Speaker 4: having it on store aisles. But I think we have

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Speaker 4: to consider with this question of who we be hurting

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Speaker 4: so on and so forth. And I would say one,

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Speaker 4: we do want to do everything we can not to

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Speaker 4: hurt those individuals, which is why going to them directly

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Speaker 4: and bind the products that you want from them is

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Speaker 4: the next best thing we can do if we can't

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Speaker 4: get it off of a shelf. But we have to

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Speaker 4: demonstrate a discipline to do that. But boycotts are about

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Speaker 4: the dignity and the strength of all of us, and

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Speaker 4: it prioritizes the dignity and strength and respect for our

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Speaker 4: community above what any one individual who may be benefactor

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Speaker 4: sales as a provider on a Target platform. So I

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Speaker 4: guess what I'm saying is is, while I love many

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Speaker 4: of the people who I know who are African American

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Speaker 4: black women mostly who are doing their biz with Target,

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Speaker 4: they've come up with their own set of demand and

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Speaker 4: expectations that they want from the company, and the best

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Speaker 4: thing we can do is demonstrate that we have their backs,

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Speaker 4: even within that corporation by saying, look, if you don't

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Speaker 4: pay attention to black money, black green dollars, then you

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Speaker 4: And to my colleagues and friends, point Tiffany that a

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Speaker 4: lot of folks are getting ahead of the government and

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Speaker 4: basically the corporations are redefining DEI or dismissing it summarily

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Speaker 4: without being asked necessarily by the government, basically trying to

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Speaker 4: on the opposite side saying we're doubling down in our work.

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Speaker 4: We're not getting rid of this, we're not deprioritizing it.

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Speaker 4: And so I guess what I say is Target made

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Speaker 4: a choice here, as have other companies have made a choice,

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Speaker 4: and now is the consumer. It's important for us to

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Speaker 4: make a choice as well. And this is the last thing.

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Speaker 4: The Montgomery bus boycott, which I talked about on my

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Speaker 4: one day protest in Montgomery. When that day came November fifth,

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Speaker 4: end of that day, they said, let's extend this thing further.

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Speaker 4: We got to keep it going until we bend them

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Speaker 4: the people won. So I'm just saying, these things take time,

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Speaker 3: I have a question for Angela, because we know Melissa Butler,

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Speaker 3: friend of the show and friend of ours. She is

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Speaker 3: the CEO of the Lip Bar, and we all love

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Speaker 3: boss Lady her lipstick. She's also carried by Target, So

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Speaker 3: show Melissa some love. But again, I think it's important

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Speaker 3: to explain to people how we can keep this boycott

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Speaker 3: up but also support people like Melissa Butler and the

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Speaker 3: lip bar Like can we go to their websites? Also,

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Speaker 3: your friend I met her, but I don't remember her name,

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Speaker 3: but you had on this really cute outfit. I was like,

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Speaker 3: who is that? And I think Kilani? Is that her name?

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Speaker 5: Klana Barfield?

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Speaker 3: Kalana Barfield, who also has a line in Target. How

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Speaker 3: can we make sure? Because Andrew brought up a really

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Speaker 3: go directly to them? Like how are they protected?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Kolana was part of the Black Creators program that

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Speaker 1: was launched through what the Trump administration would now now

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Speaker 1: totally brand as a DEI component of Target's work. So

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Speaker 1: she was one of the creators and Sergio was one,

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Speaker 1: fey Noel was one. So Kalina doesn't have an ongoing

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Speaker 1: line with Target, although she's consulted, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: the status of that contract.

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Speaker 5: I apologize that I know this questions coming. And Melissa,

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Speaker 5: you can.

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Speaker 1: Definitely purchase her products at the libbar dot com and

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Speaker 1: she's encouraged people to do as such. So I know

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Speaker 1: that phase two is starting with this target fast dot org.

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Speaker 1: I encourage people to go to the website one so

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Speaker 1: you could see the many things that Jamal Bryant has

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Speaker 1: put together with a number of colleagues and acquaintances of ours,

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Speaker 1: including to Mika Mallory, including Nina Turner and others. But

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Speaker 1: the faith community is deepening down into this. I think

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Speaker 3: very digestible for people to get. So it is a

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Speaker 3: big deal should the government shut down. Even I get

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Speaker 3: a little confused about out what's the process? You know, Okay,

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Speaker 3: what passed in the House, and now I was in the Senate,

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Speaker 3: like you know, what when are we going to know?

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Speaker 3: But I even myself like I can't keep up with

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Speaker 3: every process and every part of the process. So it's

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Speaker 3: just frustrating to me. So I know for the people

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Speaker 3: listening and you're like, it's kind of over my head,

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Speaker 3: It's over my head too. I have to like literally

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Speaker 3: google sometimes what is a continuing resolution or what is

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Speaker 3: the role of a continuing resolution in a government shutdown?

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Speaker 3: Or once you know the budget passes in the House,

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Speaker 3: what is the role of the Senate? So I just

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Speaker 3: think we have to take a second and fill in

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Speaker 3: the gaps where the actual journalists fail repeatedly retely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean beyond the journalists, we have an

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Speaker 1: obligation to to teach people what we know. So I

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Speaker 1: say in shorter terms because I tried to make it

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Speaker 1: clear based on the even the votes who defected in

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Speaker 1: the House side one voted with the Democrats, one voted

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Speaker 1: with the Republicans. I explained Jared Golden's voting record that's

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Speaker 1: also been troubling. And encourage people yesterday on my solo

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Speaker 1: pod to make sure that you call the House representatives

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Speaker 1: and urge them at that time to vote against this

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Speaker 1: continuing resolution. Now it's made its way to the Senate.

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Speaker 1: If the Senate passes the exact same bill, then it

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Speaker 1: just goes to Donald Trump to be signed into law.

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Speaker 1: If they pass a different bill, then they have to

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Speaker 1: go through a process called conference where they have to

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Speaker 1: negotiate on the terms and get on the same page.

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Speaker 1: Or the Senate could just send their bill back to

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Speaker 1: the House to be considered.

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Speaker 5: The thing that should be people should.

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Speaker 1: Be aware of now is the Senate needs at least

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Speaker 1: eight Democrats to vote for the CR for the continuing

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Speaker 1: Resolution for this temporary stop gap measure so that the

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Speaker 1: government will stay funded. If you don't think it's shut

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Speaker 1: down again, I argue that it's been shut down. But

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Speaker 1: they needs eight Democratic senators. Right now, it looks like

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman is the only one, although Richard Blumenthal is

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Speaker 1: saying that he's a likely no. He's likely to vote

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Speaker 1: against it. Call them and pressure them, HAKEM. Jeffrey should

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Speaker 1: not be getting more pressure than Chuck Schumer when he

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Speaker 1: mostly kept the party in line. There was one defector

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Speaker 1: tell Chuck Schumer that he better not lose eight. That's

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Speaker 1: what this is about, and it shouldn't just be on

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Speaker 1: these things it's about all the things that are impacting us.

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Speaker 1: At some point, budgets became partisan despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: they fund taxpayers no matter who they voted for. These

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Speaker 1: are fundamental government services. These are not things that are partisan.

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Speaker 1: Like I know what they're trying to tell you that

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Speaker 1: all the cuts that they're making, all these various government

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Speaker 1: agencies with Elon mush chainsaw are because there are waste.

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Speaker 5: Fraud an abuse.

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Speaker 1: The real waste for an abuse are all the contracting dollars

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Speaker 1: that he's extracting out of the government instead of funding

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Speaker 1: basic services that your neighbors need. So hopefully that is

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Speaker 1: common sense enough as we move on to.

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Speaker 4: Another TAE thing on this budget thing, and that's simply

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Speaker 4: to say the Republicans, I want to say this specifically

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Speaker 4: about the Republicans have consistently driven us to the edge

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Speaker 4: of national embarrassment, economic catastrophe for federal workers and sending markets,

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Speaker 4: but more important people into feeling like we're always in

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Speaker 4: this state of emergency when it comes to our federal budget.

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Speaker 4: The most powerful, wealthiest, strongest nation in all the world,

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Speaker 4: and all I want to say about it is is

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Speaker 4: that it would be one thing if these folks were

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Speaker 4: doing this in advance of having run up our debt.

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Speaker 4: The problem is is that they run up the debt first,

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Speaker 4: and the debt ceiling comes around, and the federal budget,

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Speaker 4: which we haven't adopted in a number of years under

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Speaker 4: a Republican they because of continuing resolutions. They then decide,

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Speaker 4: you know what, in the spirit of Donald Trump, We're

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Speaker 4: just not going to pay our bills. How about this,

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Speaker 4: The most powerful nation in the world will walk away

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Speaker 4: from its obligation many money it's already spent to create

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Speaker 4: a stunt in Washington, DC and make people think like

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Speaker 4: they care about national debt, the budget and all that

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Speaker 4: other stuff. They don't. They simply hate government and want

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Speaker 4: to see it shut down.

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Speaker 3: I have a question, Andrew, what is it? Because there

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Speaker 3: I didn't read this book, but there was a lot

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Speaker 3: of writing about that taxes don't actually fund the government,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't read it, so it could have been

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Speaker 3: like a tongue in cheek point. But also when people

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Speaker 3: say national debt and you just said, well, we don't

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Speaker 3: pay our bills money that we've already spent, like specifically,

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Speaker 3: what is that? Like, what is our national debt and

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Speaker 3: what is the money that they've already spent.

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Speaker 4: There's a calculator I'm going to I'm just gonna pull

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Speaker 4: up the calculator, but I'm going to say it very very.

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Speaker 1: And say where that website is, Andrew, so people have

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Speaker 1: it and they can.

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Speaker 5: Live it up.

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Speaker 4: Well, there is, of course, we know what I was

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Speaker 4: going to use was the United States Department of Treasury.

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Speaker 4: But unfortunately primary sources now have to be questioned because

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Speaker 4: you've got Trump's people being mandated to go.

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Speaker 5: Through scrub pages down. Absolutely, that's already shut down.

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Speaker 4: The only is your point is made. But okay, so

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Speaker 4: right now we're at what is the national that thirty

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Speaker 4: six point twenty two trillion dollars. That's the amount of

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Speaker 4: money that the United States government has spent and has

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Speaker 4: borrowed this money. Let me make clear here, the national

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Speaker 4: debt means it's in debt to somebody, and who it's

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Speaker 4: in debt to are a bunch of foreign creditors and

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Speaker 4: buy up China, I would say, largely the oil and

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Speaker 4: gas tycoons across the planets, absolutely, right. So the government

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Speaker 4: goes out spends this money and then they make absolutely

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Speaker 4: no effort to pay down this bill, y'all. They only

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Speaker 4: crow about it because it's a nice talking point, but

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Speaker 4: the bill continues to accumulate with no plan for how

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Speaker 4: to lower this Why is this number important? This number

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Speaker 4: is important because you can imagine what the interest rate

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Speaker 4: is on thirty six point two two trillion dollars, an

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Speaker 4: interest rate that has to be paid every month we spent.

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Speaker 4: I think that the interest rate of this government might

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Speaker 4: be what the second or third largest expense of the

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Speaker 4: government is the money it has to pay for what

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Speaker 4: it's borrowed for what it has already spent. And I

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Speaker 4: just want to say, inside of democratic and Republican administrations,

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Speaker 4: we've had national debt issues, but the only time they've

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Speaker 4: ever been balanced in the history of the country have

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Speaker 4: been under democratic presidents. Don't get it twisted. They talk

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Speaker 4: a good game. On the other side, however, they drive

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Speaker 4: us to the brink of a shutdown simply for theatrics

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Speaker 4: because they've already spent the money.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was asking because I just really quickly. I

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Speaker 3: actually Angelae can correct me if I'm wrong. There was

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Speaker 3: that video. Somebody dropped it in our group chat of

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Speaker 3: there was a young man saying, I don't blame Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk for you know, the doze in firing all these

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Speaker 3: people because government agencies are getting tax breaks for hiring

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Speaker 3: right for hiring debate. It's so ridiculous. And I mean,

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Speaker 3: I am not a tax expert or I'm not an

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Speaker 3: expert on how the government is funded, but I know

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Speaker 3: basic common sense that know, your taxes are paying to

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Speaker 3: fund the government. Government agency agencies are not paying taxes,

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Speaker 3: so obviously they're not getting tax breaks to hire people.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that people saw that and that there

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Speaker 3: are people out there who think that shows how ignorant.

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Speaker 3: And I know what, y'all don't like it what I

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Speaker 3: say this, but I just say that some dumb people

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Speaker 3: out there. I would have to say that is a

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Speaker 3: dumb person because even when he was confronted with facts,

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Speaker 3: he very arrogantly just said, I don't think that's true.

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Speaker 4: Well that's what and unfortunately, tip that's kind of where

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Speaker 4: we've gone as a country. People continuously are selecting the

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Speaker 4: news based off its alignment with their with their beliefs.

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Speaker 3: We can't agree on basic facts anymore.

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Speaker 4: There are none, And this is what the assault is

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Speaker 4: on the other side is basically, if you remove the facts,

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Speaker 4: if you remove the people who are supposed to argue

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Speaker 4: the facts. If you make all that irrelevant and truth

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Speaker 4: has no base and no relevance in the conversation, then

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Speaker 4: you can sell a people anything you want because there's

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Speaker 4: no primary source to correct them. It's a shame and

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Speaker 4: a sham. But mostly y'all this issue around the debt

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Speaker 4: and cutting these jobs. It's very easy I understand for

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Speaker 4: every day Americans to say I don't like government because

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Speaker 4: it hasn't done such and such for me.

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Speaker 6: Lately.

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Speaker 4: Most people's interaction with the government is largely around some

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Speaker 4: regulatory thing they have to do, a license that they

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Speaker 4: have to complete for if you want to own a gun,

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Speaker 4: you got to submit applications on and so forth. So

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Speaker 4: a lot of us don't like it because it requires

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Speaker 4: us to do something. But there are days in and

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Speaker 4: days out, moments in, moments out, hours in, hours out,

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Speaker 4: minutes moments seconds in where the grid that gets electric

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Speaker 4: utility to every one of us, including all three of

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Speaker 4: us that are on this pod right now, until it

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Speaker 4: goes out. It happens without our effort because other people

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Speaker 4: in the government are putting in the effort to make

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Speaker 4: it work. So you don't have to question whether or

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Speaker 4: not it's coming on when you flip the switch. And

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Speaker 4: I'm just that's how it's supposed to work. We shouldn't

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Speaker 4: know always, so what the question that's doing?

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Speaker 5: All right?

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Speaker 1: The question was also asked, essentially, how is the government funded?

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to refer people to Taxpolicycenter dot org,

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Speaker 1: where it says that the individual income tax has been

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Speaker 1: the largest single source of federal revenue since nineteen forty four,

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Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty two it comprised fifty four percent

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Speaker 1: of total revenues. On this chart that is at the

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Speaker 1: top of Tax Policycenter dot org.

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Speaker 5: And what are the sources of revenue for the federal government?

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Speaker 1: Individual income tax by far, corporate income tax, which essentially

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Speaker 1: we indirectly fund because we're paying money into these corporations

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Speaker 1: for goods and services. Only nine percent of corporate income tax,

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Speaker 1: but yet they dominate with the policies that come out

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Speaker 1: of the House and the executive branch, Social insurance, payroll tax.

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Speaker 5: I have a company that pays payroll tax.

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Speaker 1: That's still my damn money, excise tax, same thing, and

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Speaker 1: then there's a bucket for other Now when you go

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Speaker 1: on to their next page. If people are like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's the faz What about state and local I'm so

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Speaker 1: glad you asked so for it's.

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Speaker 5: The same thing. We are overwhelmingly.

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Speaker 1: Responsible at the state and local level with our income

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Speaker 1: tax dollars contributing. And so there's a whole chart breakdown.

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Speaker 1: I won't go to each thing, but it's tax receipts,

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Speaker 1: other receipts, that's still us paying. The money come from somewhere,

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Speaker 1: contributions to social insurance programs, again the same thing, and

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Speaker 1: then inter governmental transfers. So the money that goes from

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Speaker 1: the state to the FEDES or vice versa, the money

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Speaker 1: that goes to local to state to FEDES or vice.

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Speaker 5: Versa, we are still paying for it.

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Speaker 4: So cut the exist in a state where you have

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Speaker 4: no state income tax, I'm in one of those states

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Speaker 4: where there is no state income tax. Here, you're getting

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Speaker 4: here and walloped even worse. Why way worse sales tax?

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Speaker 5: Ask me about.

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Speaker 4: It is a regressive tax in almost every program that

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Speaker 4: they want to fund under Republican control. In these states

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Speaker 4: where they say you'll pay no state income tax, largely

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Speaker 4: they're hitting you over the head because every one of you,

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Speaker 4: whether you are a US citizen, a non US citizen.

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Speaker 4: So long as you go into a store, a gas station,

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Speaker 4: or elsewhere and buy something, you're paying for it. That's

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Speaker 4: why the statement that immigrants and others don't pay taxes.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, I think half of the American

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Speaker 4: people don't necessarily pay federal income tax. They get a refund,

662
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Speaker 4: but about half the country doesn't pay the federal income tax.

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Speaker 4: That doesn't mean they're not paying taxes. They're paying taxes

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Speaker 4: every day on nearly everything. They're just not getting a

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Speaker 4: credit for having done it.

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Speaker 1: No, they still will be paying taxes in their check

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Speaker 1: even if they get a refund. They don't get refunded

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Speaker 1: all of the tax payments that they've made in payroll.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: I'm simply saying, even if you are a worker who

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Speaker 4: does not work on the books, or you work in

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Speaker 4: an industry where it's more cash driven cas slaton and

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Speaker 4: so you're not paying a federal tax in the equivalent way,

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Speaker 4: those people are still paying taxes, and they're largely through

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Speaker 4: the consumer taxes that that Republicans love to push on

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Speaker 4: to us. They'll say, we're going to lower the tax

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Speaker 4: exemption on your home, We're going to lower state income taxes,

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Speaker 4: but we're going to increase sales taxes and that's how

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Speaker 4: they get us on the back end.

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Speaker 3: I just I want to complain for a second because,

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Speaker 3: first of all, thank you both, because that's informative to me.

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Speaker 3: But this is also happening at the time. This week,

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Speaker 3: Linda McMahon, the WWE specialist turned education secretary, they have

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Speaker 3: made several steps to shut down the Department of Education.

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Speaker 3: So I think this speaks to what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I think what Angela just said definitely informs why people

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Speaker 3: are outraged about tax cuts and who gets tax cuts

688
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Speaker 3: versus who is still overwhelmingly paying to fund the government.

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Speaker 3: So while the government is shutting down. Someone wrote in

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Speaker 3: one of the comments, I read all the comments, y'all,

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Speaker 3: so thank you all for commenting. Even if it's a

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Speaker 3: bad comment, I still read them. I like to know

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Speaker 3: how you guys are receiving the show. But somebody said,

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Speaker 3: you know, Tiffany's always talking about the media. I think

695
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Speaker 3: she's still bitter, rightfully so, but I think she's still better.

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Speaker 3: Yes I am. I'm here to confirm. Yes, I am

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Speaker 3: very very bitter, not only for my show, but just

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Speaker 3: for the landscape of journalism. So I was listening to

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Speaker 3: The Daily New York Times, and it's a popular podcast.

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Speaker 3: But this is why I think Native laandpod is so important.

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Speaker 3: On the Daily, the reporter who covers education, Dana Goldstein.

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Speaker 3: So they're talking about shutting down the Department of Education,

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Speaker 3: which our tax dollars fund, and they said, one of

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Speaker 3: the roles of the Department of Education is when people

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Speaker 3: are complaining that not enough black or brown students are

706
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Speaker 3: being taught properly, or they're not enrolled in gifted programs.

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Speaker 3: The Department of Education is part of the federal government

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Speaker 3: who will on the ground locally and investigate this. And

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Speaker 3: then she says, which is inconvenient. Now I'm listening to this,

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Speaker 3: and my head wants to explode, because who gives a

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Speaker 3: shit if it's inconvenient for the local school district. Now,

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Speaker 3: she is an impartial reporter, and this is not meant

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Speaker 3: to attack her. I don't know anything about her except

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Speaker 3: that she covers education for The Times. But my point

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Speaker 3: is they center white people at everything they do and

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Speaker 3: everything they're talking about her perspective, which she is shaping

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Speaker 3: for millions of people who continue to read the garbage

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Speaker 3: coverage of the political coverage of The Times, which I

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Speaker 3: do every day, but they have great coverage elsewhere. She's

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Speaker 3: centering white folks, and she's saying, so, yes, this is inconvenient. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'd imagine it's pretty goddamn inconvenient for the parents of

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Speaker 3: black and brown children who have been sidelined, who have

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Speaker 3: their gifted children placed in remedial classes because someone says

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Speaker 3: they're not smart enough, or they're not paying attention in class,

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Speaker 3: and not given the grace benefit understanding cultural competency to

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Speaker 3: meet them where they are to help educate them. When

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Speaker 3: you get rid of the Department of Education, you are

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Speaker 3: sentencing a whole class of children to be sidelined and

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Speaker 3: creating an entire different society when they go enter the

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Speaker 3: workforce ten, fifteen, twenty years from now. So it's very

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Speaker 3: frustrating to see our government fall while also seeing the

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Speaker 3: people who are supposed to be on the front lines

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Speaker 3: covering this capitulate and make every excuse and continue to

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Speaker 3: center white folks. So I'm concerned about all of these

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Speaker 3: things happening, and I think it feeds your point, Andrew,

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Speaker 3: about how the government is funded, and your point Angela,

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Speaker 3: that this government is shut down is not that new

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Speaker 3: to us, because the government has been shut down since

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Speaker 3: January twentieth of this year.

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Speaker 4: Well, the worst offense y'all, in my opinion, is that

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Speaker 4: the Conservatives are not being honest with us about why

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Speaker 4: they want to shut down education. Yes, they were being

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Speaker 4: honest with the American people around why they want to

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Speaker 4: shut down the federal Department of Education. It is because

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Speaker 4: they blame it inherently for the enforcement of Brown v.

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Speaker 4: Board of Education, and the fact that it was largely

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Speaker 4: the federal government who passed laws and instituted protections that

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Speaker 4: carried out the integration of the Little Rock nine and

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Speaker 4: in Arkansas, any of the southern states that wanted to

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Speaker 4: defect from federal law and create a two tiered system,

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Speaker 4: one of white people first class and anybody else, but

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Speaker 4: very specifically black people to be treated as less than

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Speaker 4: citizens and even less than human. They blamed the US

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Speaker 4: Department of Education for encroaching on states rights, which was

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Speaker 4: basically a state's right to keep black folks in subpar

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Speaker 4: education centers where their books come from third, fourth, fifth

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Speaker 4: generation hand me downs from white schools. That's what they

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Speaker 4: are after. They want to return to the pre Brown V.

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Speaker 4: Board of Education era of plusy B V. Ferguson, and

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Speaker 4: we ain't going back.

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Speaker 3: Y'all and privatized education. They crivatize education. It's a multi

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Speaker 3: billion dollar business.

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Speaker 4: And they're already been subsidized right now.

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Speaker 3: So I want to talk about Salem soon when we

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Speaker 3: get into that.

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Speaker 1: Well, first, I think, since we're on Department of Education, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: you had something you wanted to raise in this space.

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Speaker 4: I know we've been hearing a lot about education shut down,

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Speaker 4: but what about the shakedown they have going on over there?

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Speaker 4: More on the other side of this break.

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Speaker 3: Just really quickly.

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Speaker 4: Some of y'all may have seen this week that there

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Speaker 4: was news about the federal government sending UH Department of

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Speaker 4: Civil Rights sending out letters to sixty institutions colleges, universities

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Speaker 4: of all stripe because they say these institutions may be

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Speaker 4: in violation of the Civil Rights Act for their failure

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Speaker 4: to protect against pro Palestinian pro Hamas demonstrations on college

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Speaker 4: campuses that occurred in this country and are still occurring

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Speaker 4: wherein They are suggesting or arguing that any of those

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Speaker 4: protests created a hostile learning environment for Jewish students and

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Speaker 4: so being a protest that wasn't pro Palestine, that wasn't

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Speaker 4: pro Israeli were therefore antisemitic. What really stresses me out

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Speaker 4: about this position, y'all, is the government's ability here to

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Speaker 4: very quietly, but to me very loudly step on our

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Speaker 4: First Amendment rights as free speech by essentially deciding that dissent,

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Speaker 4: meaning to have a different opinion about an issue, automatically

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Speaker 4: means that you are against a whole group of people

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Speaker 4: because of their faith and also of their birth. Meaning

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Speaker 4: if you're Jewish and you don't necessarily side on the

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Speaker 4: same side as the Israeli state the government that your

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Speaker 4: opposition must be antisemitic, And y'all, I just I'm afraid

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Speaker 4: of where this line can be drawn, because if you're

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Speaker 4: a Black Lives Matter protester, could they then say that

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Speaker 4: you're anti white and therefore those protests and protesters should be,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, penalized differently because they are at a

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Speaker 4: different political position than you are. And I think that

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Speaker 4: I think it's gross, but I think we are coming

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Speaker 4: very very close to something here as it relates to

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Speaker 4: our First Amendment rights that are I believe going to

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Speaker 4: be trampled on already. They have been, but increasingly by

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Speaker 4: states and by the federal government. And if we lose

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Speaker 4: that protection, y'all, where they can round us up and

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Speaker 4: arrest us free will because we have a different political

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Speaker 4: belief we're further gone there.

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Speaker 3: We have they reached that level.

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Speaker 5: We are already there.

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Speaker 3: Just this week or this week, this past weekend, I

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Speaker 3: should say my mood Khalil, a legal permanent resident, a

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Speaker 3: Green card holder, was kidnapped by the state. ICE came

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Speaker 3: in and removed him from his Columbia paid for apartment.

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Speaker 3: This man is a student, he is assumed to be father.

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Speaker 3: His wife is eight months pregnant. They took him into custody.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to revoke his green card. They will not

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Speaker 3: hand him give him his freedom unless they are ordered

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Speaker 3: by a court, and then we'll see if they even

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Speaker 3: follow court orders. But agents basically told him that he

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Speaker 3: was detained because his visa had been revoked. Specifically, what

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Speaker 3: you're talking about, Andrew, because they're trying to say that

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Speaker 3: his demonstrations, his protests are pro HAMAS and they're leading

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Speaker 3: to activities that are aligned with HAMAS, which of course

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Speaker 3: the United States considers a designated terrorist organization. This terrifies

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Speaker 3: me the most, the fact that any one of us

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Speaker 3: could come in on this podcast and say something, and

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Speaker 3: that somebody can come in and take us into custody,

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Speaker 3: snatch our liberty and take us away. We're not waiting

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Speaker 3: to get there. We are there right now. Then I

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Speaker 3: don't even know what to do about it.

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Speaker 4: The thing is the reason why I thought it was

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Speaker 4: important for us to illuminate this and I think we

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Speaker 4: have to keep doing it, is because our rights get

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Speaker 4: taken away with our eyes wide open. It's this, it's this,

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Speaker 4: it's I don't even want to call it a slow

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Speaker 4: process because it doesn't even doesn't even feel slow, y'all.

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Speaker 5: It's everyday.

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Speaker 4: It feels like the ripping away of what was hard fought, hard,

836
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Speaker 4: struggled hard to come by, and now we're about to

837
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Speaker 4: let it slip away so easily, like guess on us.

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Speaker 4: Democracies are insured by its people, by the people, not

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Speaker 4: by the government itself, but by the people, and we're

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Speaker 4: past the line. You're absolutely right. I just think it's

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Speaker 4: important that we continue to lift a light. And I

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Speaker 4: know the next question that folks have is, then, well,

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Speaker 4: what do we do about it? We have to raise

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Speaker 4: our voices. We cannot go quietly into the good night.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't work for us. It just doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, uh, speaking of going backwards and things being taken away,

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Speaker 1: taken away with our eyes wide open, some of us

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Speaker 1: really felt strongly about being in Selma this past weekend,

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Speaker 1: the sixtieth commemoration of Bloody Sunday. And I can tell

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Speaker 1: you all on the fiftieth being there and feeling so

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00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: proud of progress and going back ten years later and

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Speaker 1: feeling concerned that I need to now stand on this

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Speaker 1: hollow ground to get the energy, the inspiration, the strength

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Speaker 1: to endure in this moment is really sobering. It was

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Speaker 1: so powerful to be with so many people. Our sister

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Speaker 1: and friend Joy Reid was awarded at the dinner that

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Speaker 1: they hold on the eve of Bloody Sunday. We have

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Speaker 1: panel discussions, really robust meeting, strategy sessions, but it just

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Speaker 1: still feels so disappointing that in the blink of an

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Speaker 1: eye and the matter of a couple of months, so

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Speaker 1: much has been rolled back because people ignored the signs

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Speaker 1: and they ignored the ways in which our rights were

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Speaker 1: snatched from us over the last several years, including what

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court did in Shelby County Shelby County versus

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Speaker 1: Holder in twenty thirteen, right on the other side of

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Speaker 1: President Obama winning two terms is the first the nation's

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Speaker 1: first black president.

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Speaker 5: And so the question I really have for y'all is.

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Speaker 1: How far have we really come? And why is progress

871
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: so dog gone fragile?

872
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 5: Are going to be snatched?

873
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: It just feels like it can be yanked from us.

874
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: Well, just as for our viewers know Shelby Beholder is

875
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: when they gut it section five of the Voting Rights Act,

876
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 3: which essentially said that you have to have permission from

877
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: the federal government before making any changes to your local

878
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 3: voting laws. And that existed because there was so much

879
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: persistent voter suppression happening all across the country. And you

880
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: saw once that happened, there have been an increase in

881
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: laws that suppressed the vote. I think last I check,

882
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: which has been years, probably over a year, there may

883
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 3: have been maybe over seventy local ballot initiatives to roll

884
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 3: back voting rights, but.

885
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Three hundred pieces of legislation and states throughout the country.

886
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: That they pass that they passed.

887
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: Hundred introduced in state legislatures. You were saying local. So

888
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: I was just saying it on the state.

889
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 3: Thank you for a correct me state. And I don't

890
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 3: know how many passed, but it might be close to

891
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 3: that number. Over three hundred of thus introduced. Yeah, we're

892
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: so over y'all.

893
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 4: They've also used the gutting of Section five to jerry

894
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 4: Mander and to steal yes seats congressional seats that had

895
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 4: diverse representation. In Florida, they took two of the four

896
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 4: black access seats, which means a district design where an

897
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: African American candidate could run and have the potential to

898
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 4: win if folks voted along racial lines necessarily, which is

899
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 4: not necessarily how it goes. Nonetheless, this governor must say,

900
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 4: stole two of them. And guess who's there now? White candidates,

901
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 4: Republican male candidates that have taken these seats. And it's

902
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: happened all across the country thanks to what they handed

903
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 4: down to us and shall.

904
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: Be and greatly dilutes our political power. One thing I

905
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 3: want to point out, I want to hear more just

906
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 3: about your how it felt being there, Angela, But before

907
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 3: I asked that, I just I want to point out

908
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 3: what happened on that bridge I think so often the

909
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 3: history is sanitized because the narrators don't often look like us,

910
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 3: and they control the narrative. But it wasn't like you know,

911
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: Congressman John Lewis was. He wasn't a congressman then, but

912
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: he was walking past and somebody pushed him down and

913
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: that was it. I mean, he had his skull fractured.

914
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: It was not just men, not that it reduces it

915
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 3: that it was just our men. Even our men being

916
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 3: violently assaulted is horrific. But they also violently assaulted women, children,

917
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: pregnant women across that bridge. It was a violent, bloody

918
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 3: melee of non violent protesters. Why this was so significant

919
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: is because this was the first time. Now imagine this

920
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: is before social so a lot of people don't even

921
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: know what's happening along the Bible Belt in the country,

922
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 3: but really all over the country when it came to

923
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: voting rights, and the violence was so so yes, it

924
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: was so horrific that ABC at the time, the network,

925
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: actually interrupted its telecast. They were showing a judgment at

926
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 3: Nuremberg at the time, and they interrupted it to show

927
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: what was happening in Salma, Alabama. Once the rest of

928
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 3: the country saw what was happening. Then there were people,

929
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 3: including allies, including folks who didn't look like us, who said, well,

930
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 3: wait a set, we can't tolerate that, we can't stand

931
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: for that, and that's when chain started to happen. Now

932
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: that we have these devices and you know, we're looking

933
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 3: at monkeys on a unicycle and you know, for me

934
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: looking at you know, puppies getting their vaccination shots, we're

935
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 3: not necessarily paying attention to those things. So I don't

936
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: know how to corral they attention of folks. But that

937
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 3: was a turning point in history. That revolution was televised

938
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 3: and that's what led to change. So I don't know

939
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 3: that we have come that far. And i'll tell you, Angela, Andrew,

940
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 3: I feel really defeated. I feel bad because last week

941
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 3: on the podcast, I was saying I don't know if

942
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 3: I'm hopeful yet, and people are like, what are you expectivity?

943
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 3: So I don't want to spread my blanketed bereavement around

944
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: what's at my despair, around what's happening. I think, you know,

945
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 3: if you don't feel hopeful, please tune into this podcast,

946
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: because Andrew, I'm like, you're fighting your hopeful Angela. You

947
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 3: are eighteen hours every day around the clock doing something

948
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: to help organize a movement. I'm doing other things, which

949
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: I'll talk about later, but it is depressing to see

950
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: because it feels like in this time of being a

951
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 3: flat circle, it is a cyclical problem. And I don't

952
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 3: know why progress is so fragile, but I just know

953
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 3: that not only is progress fragile, this very young democracy

954
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 3: is and it takes participation and awareness to preserve it.

955
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,760
Speaker 3: And I don't know how we get to that point

956
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 3: because we're asking people to care about every thing and

957
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: they end up caring about nothing.

958
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 4: That's why I like Tiffany, your your your your, lay

959
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 4: up to Angela around the feeling, because I am also

960
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 4: likewise curious at a moment like this where you were

961
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 4: able to assemble with a lot of folks in our

962
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 4: community who frankly sit at the position where people expect

963
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 4: them to do something all the time to protect us.

964
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: Tell me how what is being in Selma sixty years

965
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 4: on that hollow ground mean for an organizing leader like

966
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 4: yourself and and and folks that you were you were

967
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 4: with to gird them up in this moment because there

968
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 4: is a lot of despair. I don't think any of

969
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 4: us should refuse that that exists. The question is is

970
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 4: once we confront the despair, then what do we do

971
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: with it? And I'm just wondering what kind of fuel,

972
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 4: if any, do the leaders get right so that they

973
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 4: can keep leading?

974
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: And how did it feel to your spirit to be there?

975
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

976
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: And I meant to addressed this earlier, so sorry if

977
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 1: I didn't, But yes, it felt good to be there.

978
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 1: It felt necessary. It provided as again a sobering opportunity

979
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: to reflect on how far we've come and how quickly

980
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: progress can be rolled back. I think beyond the politics

981
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: of who's gonna be in the picture in the front,

982
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: even seeing the Reverend Jackson's commitment to be there, you know,

983
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: with Parkinson's in a wheelchair, and among others, you know,

984
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: Reverend Sharpton, Congressome and waters how came Jeffries, Derrick Johnson

985
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: like and Latasha Brown who was rallying folks singing in

986
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 1: a bullhorn because something happened in the sound system. You know,

987
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: it was like it was reminding us of you know,

988
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: when there's not a way, we make one. So I

989
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: think it's necessary. I hope that black folks in this

990
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: time will continue to convene, to gather strategy.

991
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: Ain't gonna happen out of nowhere.

992
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: Hope isn't gonna be given to you with no action,

993
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 1: like it requires the moment requires us to sacrificially come

994
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 1: together to find a better way.

995
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 5: It just does. And I think that will.

996
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: Continue to be in despair, will continue to be fearful,

997
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 1: will continue to be scrambling about what to do so

998
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: long as we don't prioritize what our next steps must be.

999
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:25,919
Speaker 1: There is the fearce urgency of now, and I wish

1000
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: that it wasn't, but that is where we are, and

1001
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: I think we'll be able to better fight it once

1002
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: we accept what is well.

1003
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 3: Can I ask, do you feel despair because you're doing

1004
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 3: these things? You're in the fight? Do you ever feel despair?

1005
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 3: Do you feel like? I mean, because you when you

1006
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 3: ask that question, you sound exhausted, you know, you sound like,

1007
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 3: why is our progress so fragile? And I feel that,

1008
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: Like I really do feel that, And I think so

1009
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 3: you Latasha Brow all the other people who are in

1010
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 3: this fight. Are you saying I like, I don't feel

1011
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 3: that despair because I'm actively fighting something every day? Or yeah,

1012
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: I feel that despair too, but I know if I

1013
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 3: keep moving then that's the only way to progress.

1014
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me turn the question to you, Tiff.

1015
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,479
Speaker 1: Feeling despair in the feeling of despair that you have, Yeah,

1016
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: how do you think you get out of that?

1017
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 6: Like?

1018
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 5: What is the way out of despair?

1019
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm trying to figure that out. And

1020
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not apathetic, like I'm not sitting around

1021
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: doing nothing, but sometimes I do look at the things

1022
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: that are happening, and I wonder, how does that stop?

1023
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: What's happening right now? I feel like I'm in the

1024
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: middle of the storm watching all this happen, and I'm like,

1025
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 3: I don't even know how to stop it. But there's

1026
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: something That's why I think there is something to being hopeful,

1027
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 3: you know, Like what did it mean to be in Selma?

1028
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: Like how is going to Selma stopping something? How is

1029
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 3: standing on the floor of Congress saying and we shall

1030
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 3: overcome stopping something. I don't want to dismiss those things,

1031
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 3: because black folks our hope, Like we need that hope

1032
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 3: to go on. I just don't know what the tangible

1033
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: thing is that we're stopping, you know, I think.

1034
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: That My question is, and maybe I'm probably asking it poorly,

1035
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 1: but I would love to know, even from our audience,

1036
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: if you are feeling despair but you're not apathetic, what

1037
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: are you doing? What are you actively doing to not

1038
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: feel the despair? Like if you're feeling sad, what are

1039
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: like about something else? Let's say it's not even about

1040
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: the government. But if you're feeling sadness, how do you

1041
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: combat that sadness? If you're feeling hopeless? How do you

1042
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: comback that hopelessness? If you're feeling despair, how do you

1043
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 1: combat that despair? Or do you just say I'm gonna

1044
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: sit in until it passes. I mean that is a way.

1045
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: But and then if you're saying, well, I'm not apathetic,

1046
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 1: so then there's some action that you're taking to not

1047
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: sit in apathy.

1048
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 5: What is that action?

1049
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: Well, I'll say what I can. I don't want to

1050
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: say a lot about it. But one thing for me

1051
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 3: that I'm caught up in the middle end is writing

1052
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 3: bearing witness to this and writing and I'll say more

1053
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 3: about that later, but I don't have the ability to

1054
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 3: disconnect from it. Like I'm mired in it. It can weigh

1055
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 3: me down and when I'm not in it. I feel lighter,

1056
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 3: I feel better, but trying to keep up with everything,

1057
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 3: and I write every day from ten am to about

1058
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 3: seven pm. There are other things that I am finding

1059
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: my way to participate in which I don't. I want

1060
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 3: to protect and preserve some of the work that's happening.

1061
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 3: But you know, there are some of us who are

1062
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 3: involved in conversations happening, and I'm looking for that thing

1063
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: within those groups of well, what is the thing that

1064
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 3: I can attach to where I'm doing something to stop this?

1065
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: And I haven't quite found that thing.

1066
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 4: Is it possible that the work, the cathartic and even

1067
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: weighing work of being the teller of the time is

1068
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 4: a contribution?

1069
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean what we do here, but I I

1070
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 3: mean to Angela's point, though, I think we have to

1071
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: do more. Whatever we're doing, we have to do more

1072
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: of it. Sure, I just don't know that doing like

1073
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 3: what I'm not good at is swinging at the wind.

1074
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm not good at is like I'm

1075
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: gonna just go a bunch of actions and you know,

1076
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 3: scramble myself in a tizzy. Like No, I do want

1077
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: to be still and purposeful. You know, if I'm going

1078
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 3: to lend my time and resources in my very limited

1079
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 3: time and time deficit of actual you know, work that

1080
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 3: pays me. Then what what is it? And sometimes I

1081
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 3: do feel like, in the chaos of it all, I wonder, well,

1082
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 3: what did this actually stop? What did it move? But

1083
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't. I hate saying that because I

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01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 3: feel like, if that's what you're doing, and you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe something's gonna stop. Well somebody was like, what was

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01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 3: it gonna mean that we crossed the bridge? All we

1087
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 3: doing is walk across the bridge, you know, and that

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01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: was a big moment to change things. So I don't

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01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 3: want to. I don't want this to I don't want

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Speaker 3: my despair to be infectious. I just yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Whatever I'm doing is not enough, you know, bearing witness

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01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 3: of things isn't enough. But that's just what i've you know.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I'm not an organizer, I know

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Speaker 3: that much. It doesn't mean that I can't be supportive

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Speaker 3: to the organizers.

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Speaker 4: You know you are you are an organizer because I've

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 4: been on the receiving end of your organizing work.

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Speaker 3: Is an organ I mean I would say she isn't organizer.

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Speaker 4: She is as well. But this is what I think.

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01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: I think we often make the bar for entry to

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 4: damn high. Yep, you don't have to be an Angela Raie.

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Speaker 4: I love her and I'm thankful to God for our people. No,

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01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 4: I mean no, Yes, we need new ones, you need

1104
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 4: acolytes and people who will replace you. But I just

1105
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 4: think we spend a lot of energy in our community

1106
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 4: knowing that we carry the weight of so much ship

1107
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: waking up every day. Ha does James Baldwin put it?

1108
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 4: You know, waking up as a black man. You know,

1109
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 4: every big it's right, it's to be enraged. So that's

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01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 4: already a feat. But we don't have to make the bar.

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01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 4: You too, have to organize a twenty four our meeting

1112
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 4: for the urgency of the moment, and by the way,

1113
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 4: do it in forty eight hours from this point the

1114
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 4: production needs to take place. You don't necessarily have to

1115
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 4: be the person who's out there getting the most new

1116
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 4: voter registration cars signed. Maybe you're the one who's actually

1117
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 4: building the teams, training people so that they don't run

1118
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: a foul of the law while they're in the process

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 4: of collecting voter registration cars. I only say this y'all.

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Speaker 4: I use an example, and by the way, I want

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01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: to invite people onto listening to my solo pods as

1122
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 4: they released, because we're trying to demystify this question, the

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Speaker 4: big question of what do I do and how do

1124
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 4: I start? If we make the start so big, there

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01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 4: are a lot of people who will check out before

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Speaker 4: they ever take a step forward. And I just think

1127
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,840
Speaker 4: we are all here. We're designed with our own respective

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01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 4: gifts and things that we can contribute. I've saved the saying,

1129
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 4: and I think r J hates it when I said

1130
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 4: you can't need an elephant in a hole or in

1131
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 4: one bite that you can't say all because it's for me.

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01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 4: That's how I understand that I.

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Speaker 1: Who was requiring that of anybody. Our EP Lauren actually

1134
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: has a question. Our EP Lauren has a question about this,

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01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: and I think that maybe hearing it from a lay

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01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: person that is also organizing, even neighbor and neighbor is important.

1137
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Speaker 1: So let's hear Lauren Lauren's question on this.

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Speaker 11: A Native lampod.

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01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 5: It's your EP Lauren.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Lauren, I'm coming with a question about organizing. Also,

1141
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 11: I'm calling from Sunny Brooklyn. I think you like to

1142
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 11: know that. I obviously listened to Andrew solo pod yesterday

1143
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 11: and I'm so inspired and I take every I literally

1144
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:42,919
Speaker 11: took notes so i could share this with my group.

1145
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 11: But I've done some of the things that you've talked about.

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01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 11: So a friend of mine after the election, started a

1147
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 11: community group feeling despondent about the results and wanting to

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01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 11: do something. We gathered friends and neighbors and other parents,

1149
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 11: and we have met like half a dozen times. You know,

1150
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 11: we brain stormed issues that feel important to us, which

1151
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 11: are all over the map, like super local, like safety

1152
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 11: on our streets or like our schools, to climate and

1153
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 11: repro writs, and you know, it gets really big. I'm

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01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 11: just sort of wondering. I've never done this before, and

1155
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 11: as the leader of this, I just every time I

1156
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 11: meet with our group, I love it and I feel

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 11: really good. But I'm also like it feels like I'm

1158
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 11: weeding through a thicket. I'm like, is this the work?

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01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 5: Is this what you're supposed to do?

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01:04:28,080 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 11: You just meet and talk and brainstorm, like nothing really

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 11: feels concrete. It's like we're kind of blindly taking one

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01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 11: step forward at a time. And I'm from a newly

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01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 11: sort of organizer to you all, like, is this what

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01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 11: you're supposed to do? Is there something more concrete.

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01:04:46,560 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 5: That we can do?

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Speaker 11: Am I doing it wrong? I just love some advice

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01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 11: for this group that's trying to get off the ground

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Speaker 11: and find their footing. I don't know, just thank you so.

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Speaker 5: Much for your leadership.

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Speaker 11: Appreciate you guys, and love working with you.

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Speaker 4: Bye, love, I love.

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Speaker 3: I love that question.

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Speaker 1: I think that what Lauren shared is so important because

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there's anybody throughout history that has

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01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: engaged in a movement that became significant that knew from

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Speaker 1: the outset like, oh, this is going to be the one.

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 1: Like I don't think Minister Farrakhan was like, I'm definitely

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01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 1: gonna get a million people. I know, I mus strive

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Speaker 1: for it. But what happens the only five people show up?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:36,920
Speaker 1: I don't think that on the March on Washington, they

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01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be that. I don't even

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01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: think for the Women's March, despite a lot of its flaws.

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01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 5: Knew that it was going to be that.

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01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 1: I think that you have to start somewhere and you

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01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: are flying blind the grace that we should be extending

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01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,919
Speaker 1: to each other right now is we have never been

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01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: here before. We don't know what is going to work.

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01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: What we do know is that there has to be resistance.

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01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: We do know that there has to be a fight.

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01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: We do know that there has to be an opposition.

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01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,479
Speaker 1: We do know that we got to stand on truth.

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01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: We do know that we have to protect the most vulnerable.

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01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 1: Maybe your role isn't every single one of those pieces,

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01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: but you take on your part. It is imperative that

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01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: we do something. You sitting by and watching what is happening, saying, oh, no,

1197
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: where to start, it's gonna mean that we end up

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01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 1: with our asses handed to us.

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Speaker 5: Like we gotta get in the game.

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Speaker 1: My biggest frustration right now is there's so many people

1201
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: that got smoked for everybody who's doing something.

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01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 5: But when we turn around be like, well what you doing,

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01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 5: It's like, uh, you gotta start somewhere, you really really do.

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01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 1: And so I do think it's in the conversation, But

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01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: it's beyond the conversation to making a call to Congress.

1206
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: It's beyond making a call to Congress to go pulling

1207
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: on a government building door to see if you can

1208
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: get into the door that you pay for. You know,

1209
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 1: it really is figuring out how to protect your kids

1210
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: at school, special needs kids who may be impacted by

1211
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: this disease. These disastrous cuts to the Department of Education,

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01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: most of which now that we know that half the

1213
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: employees have been told to go home and they can

1214
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: come get their personal effects later, most of which has

1215
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: not even been congressionally sanctioned. So the fight is in

1216
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 1: the other two coequal branches of government. If you have

1217
01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: a lawsuit and you got standing suit, if you know

1218
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: that you have some inrows with Congress, call them, make

1219
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: a visit when you're at a fundraiser, let them know

1220
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 1: what it really is.

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01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,000
Speaker 5: But you got to do something.

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01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: I think every single day, if somebody takes one action,

1223
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: we're a lot closer to a victory than without.

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest, I have not seen I've only

1225
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 3: heard tangentially about the people having smoke for people who

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01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 3: are trying to do something. I have not seen that.

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01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,960
Speaker 3: I'm not experiencing it. I know, and how I know

1228
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 3: it is because in our chat sometimes that you know,

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01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 3: we'll talk about it. I do have to say, if

1230
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 3: you are criticizing what other people are doing, then that

1231
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: is a plan, like you have to you can't criticize

1232
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 3: and not you know, be involved. But I like the

1233
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 3: question that you posed with the audience, and it's something

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01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: that I would actually like to hear from the audience.

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Speaker 3: What did you say, Andrew? Like, basically, what are y'all doing?

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01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 3: If you feel despair? What are you doing about it?

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:13,160
Speaker 3: Was that your question?

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, how do you how do you solve for despair?

1239
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: How do you solve for feeling stuck in this moment?

1240
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 1: How do you solve for that?

1241
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 5: What are you doing? The software?

1242
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: And if you're like, hell, I don't know, y'all, tell

1243
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: me listen to Andrew's organizing pod.

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01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 5: He's doing. He's basically doing a.

1245
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:33,160
Speaker 1: Masterclass breakdown every other Monday to talk about these things.

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01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,799
Speaker 5: On the Instagram Live yesterday. On my solo pod.

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01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: Yesterday, talked about specifically just calling Congress. I think we

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01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 1: should call Congress and reach out to these offices. I

1249
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: think we should do it on air to let people

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01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:46,639
Speaker 1: know how it goes.

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01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,200
Speaker 5: When you recall, they have to answer, they owe you

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01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 5: an explanation.

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01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 3: We should take that.

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01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I also want to, as a local person,

1255
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 4: say shout out Lauren on the local emphasis. She said,

1256
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:04,919
Speaker 4: we're talking about our neighborhood, our streets, our schools, our safety.

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01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:09,639
Speaker 4: Is the work the convening part. Well, guess what if

1258
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 4: your group decides that the work you all are doing

1259
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 4: is that every day we are all weighed down by

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01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 4: the facts of life as they hit us, either from

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01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,919
Speaker 4: the federal, the world, the global, or what's happening locally,

1262
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 4: and so the best thing you can do to not

1263
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: get stuck on stunned is to convene together and talk

1264
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 4: through it. That way, as you all fan back out,

1265
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 4: everybody is interacting in their space now with a different

1266
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 4: recharged mindset. Maybe that recharge mindset puts them in contact

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01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 4: with people who are feeling despair and haven't had an

1268
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 4: opportunity for hope, who now feel hope because they see

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01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 4: somebody who's just like them, who shares their beliefs and opinion,

1270
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 4: who are as sad about what they see happening nationally

1271
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 4: or in their state or in their local but they

1272
01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 4: have some joy in it, and they have some joy

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01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,879
Speaker 4: in the work. If that is what the group decides,

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 4: and then yes, that is the work, Lauren. It doesn't

1275
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,000
Speaker 4: have to be too high minded or too low brow.

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01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:10,479
Speaker 4: It has to, however, reflect what the community. The folks

1277
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 4: you have pulled together believe is the reach, the objective,

1278
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,879
Speaker 4: the goal that you all want to see realized. Maybe

1279
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 4: it is that y'all set a goal around voter registration

1280
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 4: and your precinct or as a cohort, we're gonna you know,

1281
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,920
Speaker 4: we're gonna have five hundred new registered voters by the

1282
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 4: time the Mitchron comes around, and not only that, we

1283
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 4: will have invited every single one of them to one

1284
01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 4: of our sit downs. Every person we register, we use

1285
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 4: as an extension to invite them into this setting for

1286
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 4: every time we meet that they can become more conscious

1287
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 4: minded about what they can do as individuals to help

1288
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,479
Speaker 4: your local area, your community, and obviously the nation. We

1289
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 4: on the left, i think too often organize people exclusively

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01:10:58,520 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 4: around electioneering, and we've left a lot of people on

1291
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 4: the sidelines. I would love to see more work like

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01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 4: you're doing Laur, where people are organizing each other toward

1293
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 4: getting to the beloved community, because then they gonna know

1294
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 4: before you even tell them that if Trump takes away education,

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Speaker 4: these are going to be the residual impacts, and that's

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Speaker 4: why we have to wake up to it.

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Speaker 5: And that's the thing too.

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Speaker 4: Everyone doesn't interact with those issues the same way.

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Speaker 5: That's the thing too.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how far he's going to go and

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Speaker 1: how people will be able to stop it. We've seen

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Speaker 1: a few successful instances.

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Speaker 5: All right, y'all, So it's that time. It's time for

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Speaker 5: some action.

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Speaker 1: We've debated whether or not action or inaction works better

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Speaker 1: in these times and how we fight back. So my

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Speaker 1: call to action is to remember you can always do something.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to our EP Lauren for submitting a question

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Speaker 1: today and all of you who submit questions every single week.

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Speaker 1: We are so grateful. But I will tell you never

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Speaker 1: ever ever give up. In the spirit of John Robert Lewis,

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Speaker 1: who did cross the Edmund Pettis Bridge, was bluddened and

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Speaker 1: buddy bloody for us to ensure that our voting rights

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Speaker 1: would always be protected and more broadly are civil rights.

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Speaker 5: If what you.

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Speaker 3: Got, I will stick with was your CTA because I'm

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Speaker 3: one of those people that suspended in the onslaught of

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Speaker 3: all these attacks, looking at it, wondering what do I do?

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Speaker 3: And so if I if I could do something, you

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Speaker 3: guys tell me if this is even realistic. I would

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Speaker 3: like to build some sort of infrastructure that immediately protects

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Speaker 3: our people to engage in harm reduction because I don't

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Speaker 3: know how to stop the onslaught. But I look at

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Speaker 3: the work of Fred Hampton, I look at the work

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Speaker 3: of the Black Panthers, and they had, like you know,

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Speaker 3: the free food program, They had a whole education system.

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Speaker 3: You know, that is something that feels right to me.

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Speaker 3: That is something I feel like I could latch onto.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the time, capacity or ability to lead it,

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Speaker 3: but I could certainly work in something like that. That's

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Speaker 3: just an idea, and I think ideas matter. So I

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Speaker 3: want to hear from you guys. Tell me what you

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Speaker 3: think I should be doing, what y'all are doing. If

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Speaker 3: you are feeling despair at Angela's point, answer her question

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Speaker 3: about how you move past that despair and any ideas

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Speaker 3: because ideas matter. So yeah, that's my my CTA. And

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Speaker 3: just thank you to Andrew for teaching us organizing every

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Speaker 3: other week, and to Angela for your tireless ever. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how you how you do it, but thank

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Speaker 3: you to you both for at least being in it.

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Speaker 3: And shout out to the people who do feel like me, like,

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Speaker 3: what what is any of.

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Speaker 4: This stopping like how you're not giving enough credit to yourself.

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Speaker 4: You're in it, friend, I know you will.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm in it, and like writing about a

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Speaker 3: bearing witness to it, but I don't feel like I'm doing.

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Speaker 4: If somebody will be able to one day read that

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Speaker 4: and take from it some action steps on how to

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Speaker 4: survive it. All of us are reflecting back on moments

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Speaker 4: that preceded us as inspiration, every one of us, and

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Speaker 4: so there's value you. There's big value well.

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Speaker 3: I remember when we were in Miami at Kim Blackwell's conference,

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Speaker 3: shout out to him Blackwell, and we had a similar

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Speaker 3: question and Angela, you said that if you're tired, maybe

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Speaker 3: someone else is not tired in the same way that

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Speaker 3: you are, so collectively you can build that work. And

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Speaker 3: when we say grassroots, grassroots is just your neighbor, you

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01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 3: could be wealthy in doing grassroots if you're talking to

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Speaker 3: your neighbors about something that's grassroots. So I know there's

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Speaker 3: something I just I want to do something tangible. I

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Speaker 3: think the target thing also feels like it will. There's

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Speaker 3: a tangible result in that, and you give people hope

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Speaker 3: in that, and then you build on that hope and

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Speaker 3: go to the next thing. So I don't know that

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Speaker 3: I'm just suspended in it. I don't want to spread

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Speaker 3: by despair, but I want to hear from you Algy.

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Speaker 4: Not spreading it. I think what we were doing is

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Speaker 4: we're normalizing the conversation so that we can move more

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Speaker 4: people past it. You know, it shouldn't be a roadblock

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Speaker 4: for us, right and my CTA is issued to us,

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Speaker 4: which is in these moments of dispair, I would like

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Speaker 4: to know who gives permission for the joy, who brings

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Speaker 4: the joy, who helps us experience There's not one of

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Speaker 4: us who could wake up every single day, day in

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Speaker 4: day out, just pushing the rock up the heel, because

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Speaker 4: at some point you get tired and you need somebody

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Speaker 4: else to tap in. Or we got to sleep in

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Speaker 4: shifts and somebody's on this time and somebody else is

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Speaker 4: on this time. But even that requires a space for

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Speaker 4: renewal and joy. And if I would say something as

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Speaker 4: an observation of what it's felt like since Trump is

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Speaker 4: there's been a lot of no joy for me because

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Speaker 4: unlike them, we don't bask in the destruction of our neighbors, friends,

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Speaker 4: church members, classmates, coworkers, and colleagues. That's not how we

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Speaker 4: get our thing off. It works for them, but not

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Speaker 4: for us. So I love for us to be intentional

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Speaker 4: about creating the permission structure for joy while we fight.

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Speaker 5: I love you well with all of that. Thank you

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Speaker 5: all so much for tuning in today.

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Speaker 1: This again us episode seventy of Native lamppod and just

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Speaker 1: one moment while I'll tell you how many days it's

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Speaker 1: too many days until midterm elections that hopefully we get

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Speaker 1: to see it's six hundred days remaining. And with that

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Speaker 1: we thank you all so much. Know that new episodes

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Speaker 1: do still drop every single Thursday and Friday is our

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Speaker 1: mini pods, solo pods our Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 5: We guide y'all cover wall to wall.

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Speaker 2: sincerely for the patients reason for your choice is cleared,

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Speaker 2: defend and protect the truth even in paste. For walking

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