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Speaker 3: Iran.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we're going to start obviously with the Iranian

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Speaker 2: attack on Israel. Some of the fallout watching the Israeli war,

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Speaker 2: Cabinet what their response will be. President Biden issuing a

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Speaker 2: warning to Israel, saying don't widen the war, but we

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Speaker 2: will remain and we will see what happens, as Trump

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Speaker 3: We will also have doctor Tree Deparsi in the show.

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Speaker 2: He's going to analyze some of the attack, the ramifications.

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Speaker 2: He accurately predicted last week on our show that an

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Who had a very interesting moment at his Allentown, Pennsylvania

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Speaker 2: Democratic ranks. And then we're also going to take a

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Speaker 2: look at some new interesting poling both good for Trump,

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Speaker 2: some fascinating stuff going on there. Trump's seemed flip flop

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Speaker 2: with those attacks on Iran. Guys, Let's go and play

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Speaker 2: this and put it up on the screen so I

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Speaker 2: video here. This was released by Channel fourteen News in Israel.

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Speaker 2: It appears to be pulling from Iranian media, which actually

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Speaker 2: shows the launch of some of those ballistic missiles that

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Speaker 2: What you've see in front of you was also released

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Speaker 2: by the Israelis. This shows some of the drones that

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Speaker 2: In some cases you can see that they did make

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Speaker 2: contact and they were attacking largely military installations. It appears

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Speaker 2: in Israel, but still I mean stunning. Nonetheless, that image

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Speaker 3: Was engaging it. I mean, what did you make of this? Ryan?

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Speaker 2: I did a breaking news segment, but this is the

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Speaker 5: So the reporting that we have from this is that

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Speaker 5: And you know Iran can you know, Iran is not

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Speaker 5: Powers where Austin Powers are driving the steamroller. Yes, and

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Speaker 5: what they did with these drums. Okay, what they did

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Speaker 5: is they created an international spectacle. So the entire world

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Speaker 5: So just by virtue of that, the Iranian regimes then satisfied.

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Speaker 5: Kind of it's the domestic demand that there'd be some

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Speaker 5: the consulate in Damascus. But what it also does is

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Speaker 5: it gives this entire armada from Jordan to Egypt to

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Speaker 5: the US to the UK to Israel hours to intercept everything.

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Speaker 5: And you saw a lot of kind of Israeli pundit

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Speaker 5: saying how embarrassing for Iran they sent all of these missiles,

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Speaker 5: and yet Tel Aviv still stands. Look at our beach

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Speaker 5: chat how Christine it remains. That was probably Iron's hope

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Speaker 5: that they want to launch an attack. May it look

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Speaker 5: kind of thing that requires Israel to then response.

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Speaker 2: We got to spend a lot of time on this

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Speaker 2: debate now. Currently, that was the way that the White

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Speaker 2: that the Israeli right wing is. Oh absolutely, In fact,

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Speaker 2: the Israeli right wing is like, no, this was just

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Speaker 2: a victory of Iron Dome without Iron Dome, without the US,

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Speaker 2: the UK military, the Jordanian military, the Saudi military all

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's another big question.

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Speaker 2: How many of these things were shot down by the

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Speaker 3: They ain't telling us that number.

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Speaker 2: I can tell you that they claim ninety nine percent interception.

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Speaker 2: all of our Western militaries were engaged actually in shooting

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Speaker 3: If you think that it.

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Speaker 2: Was intended to have a mass casualty incident and was

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Speaker 2: not designed, as you said, to telegraph for an hour's

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Speaker 2: you're going to respond. If you think it was an

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Speaker 2: intended mass casualty incident and it was good design to

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Speaker 2: kill a lot of people, well then obviously you want

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Speaker 2: not your fault that the defense worked.

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, I would flip it around, Okay, I'd say

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Speaker 5: people start from their desired response, right, So like Ben

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Speaker 5: Gavier American Smocher's like these guys they want a massive

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Speaker 5: war with Iran, and so then they're going to retcon

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Speaker 5: So they were always going to say that this was

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Speaker 5: started seeing from the Israeli right, this is a strategic

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Speaker 5: victory for US. We now have the international legitimacy to

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Speaker 5: launch a full scale attack on Iran and not to

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Speaker 5: pick on them. Everybody else is the same way, Like

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Speaker 5: people like me that don't want to see World War

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Speaker 5: III A are biased in how they see it and say, like, look,

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Speaker 5: it's it's obvious why Iran didn't cause more damage, because

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Speaker 5: causing more damage would have led to World War three.

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Speaker 5: It's a rational actor. They don't want to lead to that.

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Speaker 5: So we all do have to put our bias.

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Speaker 2: It's important, the important to note that because this is

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Speaker 2: here what we have from the War Cabinet Minister Benny Gantz,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and put this on play on the screen.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read some of what he said in

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Speaker 2: terms of a translation. He says, yesterday Iran launched an

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Speaker 2: attack on Israel and met the strength of the Israeli

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Speaker 2: security system. Iran is a global problem, it is a

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Speaker 2: regional challenge, and it is also a danger to Israel. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: the world clearly stood together with Israel in the face

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Speaker 3: This is the result.

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Speaker 2: This is the strategic achievement which we must leverage for

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Speaker 3: This incident is not over.

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Speaker 2: The strategic alliance and the regional cooperation system that we

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Speaker 3: Right now.

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Speaker 2: Israel proved yesterday that it is an anchor of military

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Speaker 2: build a regional coalition and collect the price from Iran

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Speaker 2: So that is the line that I'm zeroing in on,

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Speaker 3: A time that we choose.

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Speaker 2: This is after an Israeli war cabinet meeting occurred. Now,

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Speaker 2: this war cabinet meeting allegedly took a very interesting turn

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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen here. President Biden

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Speaker 2: allegedly told Netta Prime Minister Netanyahu during a call immediately

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Speaker 2: Inside of the war cabinet, allegedly Benny Gantz and also

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Speaker 3: But and this is where I want to hear you

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Speaker 3: make big butts. At the very.

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Speaker 2: Same time, the Wall Street Journal and others are reporting

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Speaker 2: that there's still a significant contingent in the Israeli military cabinet,

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Speaker 2: within the Israeli right and domestic populace that is clamoring

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Speaker 2: Biden said, hey, you guys had your strategic victory, don't

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Speaker 2: that they won't do it. I mean, Israel almost advanced

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Speaker 5: So if we're going to give Biden credit, we can

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Speaker 5: say that there was a moment amid the attack and

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Speaker 5: in its immediate aftermath where the Israeli right was promising,

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Speaker 5: People were saying things like, you know, April twelfth or

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Speaker 5: April fourteenth, or whatever, this attack was going to happen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is such an important point, because that is

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the Iranians are good people or

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Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean you're justifying the attack to acknowledge

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Speaker 3: And that's why I want to put that in contact.

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Speaker 2: I apologize it used to be part of Poland, but

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Speaker 2: My point is only being that you know, we have

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Speaker 3: US embassy in Baghdad. They're all military outposts.

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Speaker 5: And they did kill a top general and many of

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Speaker 5: that was completely fine and hey, they're all fair game,

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Speaker 5: they still did kill them. Yes, so it's not unprovoked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I mean exactly right. And you know, let's

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Speaker 2: think back to the solar money killing. Whenever Trump green

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: That was response after the Iranians shot down some US

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Speaker 2: we can't say that it didn't have no response. All

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Speaker 2: not quote unquote unprovoked it didn't happen inside of a vacuum.

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Speaker 2: You could defend it, you know, if you want to.

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Speaker 2: But let's just all be honest. There's also a big

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Speaker 2: The current estimate according to the IDF is who was

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Speaker 2: four to five billion Israeli shekels, which is equivalent to

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Speaker 5: Plus we shot a lot of mississes.

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Speaker 3: It just what I always like to.

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Speaker 2: Highlight with these things. Ryan Is was like, well, everyone

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Speaker 5: Yeah, on the on the cost point, this is the

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Speaker 5: And that's that's just not a calculation that you can

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Speaker 5: So now they know, like, okay, this is where they're

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Speaker 2: You get a ton, yeah, from the Chinese from the Russians.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is looking at this. The other thing that I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: There was a direct line that and Turkey was to

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what's complicated.

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Speaker 2: Here we have President Biden imminently before the attack, the

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Speaker 2: you bear the costs, you bear the consequences whenever people

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Speaker 2: And this is what we've seen through the emboldening of

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Speaker 2: the Israelis is because we've set no red line, nothing,

440
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Speaker 2: we have no conditions on our aid, they feel perfectly

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Speaker 2: in their power to do whatever the hell they want.

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Speaker 2: And that's how you get to a significant departure point

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Speaker 2: of miscalculation. The anti gets upped one thing goes wrong.

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Speaker 2: I mean, just imagine one iron dome missile goes wrong

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Speaker 2: and that Temple Mount gets it. Now what I mean,

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Speaker 2: we're in that whole new world living in that Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, yeah, I think that that's exactly right. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I mean I forgot what I was going to say. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Really, what I think is important just to underscore from

451
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Speaker 2: the Iranians, the communication here with the Israelis is that

452
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Speaker 2: Biden has injected a tremendous amount of uncertainty into the

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Speaker 2: international system. Will defend Ukraine. Putin's war criminal, he's got

454
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Speaker 2: to go. What does that signal send to the Ukrainians?

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Speaker 2: Fight to the last man. Now we're like, well, you know,

456
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Speaker 2: really mean it, and it's like, well, and they're all confused.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we should said in the first place.

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Speaker 3: I think right, and it should have been very clear

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Speaker 3: from the beginning, and the only shift.

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Speaker 5: From Biden this was what I was going to say.

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Speaker 5: Has it's been to use the word iron clad over

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Speaker 5: and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: And so if you're Israel, what you hear from Biden

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Speaker 5: is that his commitment is iron clad. Iron Clad means

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Speaker 5: it does not matter what Israel does, the US will

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Speaker 5: have their back. So if we say, hey, we would

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Speaker 5: prefer a heads up before you strike, let's say in Iran,

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Speaker 5: in embassy somewhere in Damascus, like okay, but your commitment

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Speaker 5: to US is ironclad, right of course, guys, iron clad

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Speaker 5: commitment Like okay, Well, then we're just going to do

472
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Speaker 5: what we're going to do, and you're gonna support us. Now,

473
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Speaker 5: maybe Israel feels like it can't launch an offensive attack

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Speaker 5: on Iran without the support of kind of US aircraft

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Speaker 5: and USC power and so that had something to do

476
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Speaker 5: with their decision not to launch it yet. But they

477
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Speaker 5: certainly feel like no matter what they do, the US

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Speaker 5: is going to put its resources behind them in a

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Speaker 5: way that is self destructive to its own interests in

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Speaker 5: the region.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is all.

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Speaker 2: This is very important for people to underscore just we

483
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Speaker 2: are and a moment of a lot of uncertainty. US

484
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Speaker 2: military equipment was involved in shooting this down. US service members,

485
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Speaker 2: including US warships, were involved in shooting some of these

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Speaker 2: down we've had. Apparently the US S. Eisenhower hasn't had

487
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Speaker 2: a port call in months because they're just stuck in

488
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Speaker 2: the Middle East waiting is sitting there, waiting to shoot

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Speaker 2: down things and to be engaged in the war. There's

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Speaker 2: a high level of readiness and of anxiety in the military,

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Speaker 2: and just because something didn't pop off in forty eight

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Speaker 2: hours doesn't mean that it won't. It took the Iranians

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Speaker 2: what it was, about a week, I think, to respond

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Speaker 2: to the ambassy attack. People have in their heads this

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Speaker 2: idea that things, the escalation ladder and other things move

496
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Speaker 2: at a lightning pace, And that's sometimes the case, but

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Speaker 2: very often it's slow and then fast all at the

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Speaker 2: same time. So you take a week to deliberate that

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Speaker 2: you make it saying, and you make a decision. So

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Speaker 2: the Israelis right now are in that you know system right,

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Speaker 2: They could wait a month, but even if they do,

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Speaker 2: we could still see things get to that point. It's

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Speaker 2: been more than six months now since October seventh, and

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Speaker 2: this was the nightmare scenario from the very first day,

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Speaker 2: is that we were going to get to a broader

506
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Speaker 2: regional war, and every single month that the conflict has continued,

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Speaker 2: we get closer and closer at bombs on Lebanon, wo

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Speaker 2: these Now we're striking Yemen. Now we're you know, now

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Speaker 2: we're shooting down Iranian missiles. Now we got drones flying

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Speaker 2: over the sky. What comes next month? That's my big worry.

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Speaker 2: What comes next year? Hell or ten years from now.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those where you know, could we can

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Speaker 2: easily look back on this and say it was a

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Speaker 2: significant moment. But we have a great guest standing by

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Speaker 2: doctor Treta Parsi is going to break this down.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to it.

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Speaker 5: Bringing in now doctor tree to Parsi is executive vice

518
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Speaker 5: president over at the Quincy Institute for Response simple state craft. Tredah,

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Speaker 5: thanks as always for joining us. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Good easure.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to talk to you about something that that

522
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Speaker 5: you flagged, which is that the head of the IRGC,

523
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Speaker 5: Hossein Salami, came out and we can put this element

524
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Speaker 5: up from tree to here, came out explicitly saying that

525
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Speaker 5: we have decided to create a new equation with Israel.

526
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Speaker 5: The equation is that from now on, if Israel attacks

527
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Speaker 5: Iranian interests, basically, Ron will attack Israel from Iranian soil.

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Speaker 5: Kind of moving beyond the status quo of deploying various

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Speaker 5: proxies around the region, were not necessarily even deploying the

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Speaker 5: various proxies, but sort of taking the leash off them

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Speaker 5: a little bit, because I think what people think that

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Speaker 5: and I'd be curious to get your take on this.

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Speaker 5: People think that it's it's a it's a relationship where

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Speaker 5: Iran instructs its proc around the region. Okay, now I

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Speaker 5: need you to attack, Whereas I think it's more realistic

536
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Speaker 5: to say that those proxies are actually much more militant

537
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Speaker 5: and radical than the Iranian regime itself, and Iran is

538
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Speaker 5: constantly holding a leash on saying no, do not, do not, please,

539
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Speaker 5: do not, And when they do want an attack to happen,

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Speaker 5: they let the leash out a little bit and say, Okay,

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Speaker 5: you know what, actually, go ahead, you've been saying you

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Speaker 5: want to hit that base, go ahead and hit that base.

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Speaker 5: Curious a first for your take on that, but then

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Speaker 5: also for your reflection on what it means that Iran

545
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Speaker 5: is now saying forget all this, We're coming straight from

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Speaker 5: Iran from now on.

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Speaker 6: So your description of Yvonne's relationship with some of these militias,

548
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Speaker 6: I think is true for some of them, perhaps less

549
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Speaker 6: so for others. I mean, Yvonne has helped build up

550
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Speaker 6: a network of various militias throughout the Middle East.

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Speaker 7: That all are sharing an interest with Yvonne when it

552
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Speaker 7: comes to a larger vision for the region.

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Speaker 6: Some of them may not be ideologically aligned with van

554
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Speaker 6: in a religious sense, but nevertheless they shared a larger perspective,

555
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Speaker 6: which is that many of these Arab regimes are allied

556
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Speaker 6: with the West. They're there to serve the domination of

557
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Speaker 6: the West, and the region needs to take its future

558
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Speaker 6: in its own hand, and as a result, joined.

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Speaker 7: Together to fight this what they call the occupation. This

560
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Speaker 7: is why they call it the access of resistance.

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Speaker 6: Now, some of them actually absolutely are more hawkish and

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Speaker 6: have their own motivations to go after the US troops.

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Speaker 6: For instance, many of the Iraqi militias are looking for

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Speaker 6: revenge for what the US has done in Iraq, which

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Speaker 6: is not necessarily the motivation driven by the Vons. In

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Speaker 6: regards to what the IRGC commander said, though, I think

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Speaker 6: the interpretation there is Iran is actually taking this to

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Speaker 6: a much higher level because it's no longer going to

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Speaker 6: hide behind any of its allied proxiesli is, whatever you

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Speaker 6: want to call them. And what we see here is

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Speaker 6: a clear attempt of articulating a new doctrine for deterrence,

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Speaker 6: meaning that this entire choreographed attack that was clearly designed

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Speaker 6: to make sure that it inflicted next to zero damage

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Speaker 6: on Israel, certainly no casualties, was not designed to start

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Speaker 6: a war, was not designed to actually showcase what limited

576
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Speaker 6: capacity YVON has, but to actually showcase that YVON actually

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Speaker 6: has extensive capacity. Because remember the reason why all of

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Speaker 6: these missiles and drones could could be shot down is

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Speaker 6: because the yvoniance gave the US a seventy two hour

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Speaker 6: heads up even told them exactly when these things are

581
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Speaker 6: going to be shot They wanted this to be shot

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Speaker 6: down because they wanted to show that yvon is ready

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Speaker 6: to attack from its own soil. It wants to establish

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Speaker 6: this new deterrence, this new red line, but it doesn't

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Speaker 6: want to go towards a full scale war. But in

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Speaker 6: that message also something else that is very important that

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Speaker 6: I think has largely been missed. Had it not been

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Speaker 6: for the seventy two hour heads up, the United States

589
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Speaker 6: would not have had time to put itself in place

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Speaker 6: to be able to help the Bricks, nor the French,

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Speaker 6: and without the help of these other countries.

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Speaker 7: Without the heads up, it is quite likely that a.

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Speaker 6: Much larger garage of missiles from Yvon actually would have

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Speaker 6: penetrated Israel's air defenses and would have caused a tremendous damage.

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Speaker 6: But that was not the intent would distract. The intent

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Speaker 6: was exactly as the IRGC commander said, as that establishing

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Speaker 6: new redline. If these Raelis going forward kill Yvonian officials,

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Speaker 6: attack Yvanian embassies, it will be responded to, and it

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Speaker 6: will likely be responded to very quickly. And the hope

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Speaker 6: of Yvon as appears to be to deter Israel from

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Speaker 6: doing this in the.

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Speaker 2: Future, Doctor Parsi, One of the things we're trying to

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Speaker 2: understand here is the calibration of the Israeli response. The

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Speaker 2: Israelly war cabinets seems to be all of the map.

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Speaker 2: They're vowing our response. The Iranians say, if look, this

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Speaker 2: is it from in terms of what they put out there,

607
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Speaker 2: like will we will say that this matter is closed.

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Speaker 2: If we do see some sort of retaliation by the Israelis,

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Speaker 2: then what sort of decision matrix does that open up

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Speaker 2: from the Iranians as it relates to the United States

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Speaker 2: in our own military.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think Biden actually has put himself in a

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Speaker 6: bind with the formulation that he used. He come out

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Speaker 6: and said that he would support Israel defensively, the support

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Speaker 6: is iron cloud, but the United States will not support

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Speaker 6: or participate in any offensive operations by Israel. Well, this

617
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Speaker 6: distinction between offensive and defensive ends up being brought the

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Speaker 6: meaningless the second the war begins, because what it has done,

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Speaker 6: he has given Ntagnau a clear pathway on how to

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Speaker 6: drag the US into the war. Israel responds to this

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Speaker 6: Iranian attack with missile strikes et cetera. Against Yron. Iran

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Speaker 6: will then obviously respond back. The United States will not

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Speaker 6: participate in the first attack, but as soon as Yvon

624
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Speaker 6: is counterattacking, then the United States gets dragged in. At

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Speaker 6: that point, it was completely meaningless whether the United States

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Speaker 6: was involved in the previous attack or not.

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Speaker 8: So previous presidents, even very hawkish ones like Trump, actually

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Speaker 8: resisted pressure from Netaniaho in particular to get dragged into

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Speaker 8: war with Iran because it does not serve US interest.

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Speaker 8: Now Biden has actually given Nataniahu a roadmap on how.

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Speaker 7: To drag the United States into that war.

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Speaker 6: If he instead had focused on the maingle or prioritized

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Speaker 6: the mingle, which is to avoid a regional escalation and

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Speaker 6: avoid getting the US into that war, it actually would

635
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Speaker 6: have been better for Israel as well, because he would

636
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Speaker 6: not need to provide any defensive iron cloud support for

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Speaker 6: Aitel because there wouldn't have been an Ivanian counter attack

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Speaker 6: in the first place. That would have served Israel's interest better,

639
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Speaker 6: and most importantly, it would have served us interest much

640
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Speaker 6: but because we would not get dragged into another war

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Speaker 6: in the Middle East.

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Speaker 5: Trieda I've heard Iatola Kamani described as risk averse almost

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Speaker 5: to a fault, And I'm curious if you think that's

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Speaker 5: an accurate description. How his approach to the conflict between

645
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Speaker 5: Israel and I Ran plays into this and who is

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Speaker 5: really making the decisions in the Iranian government.

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Speaker 6: So the decisions are ultimately made by the Supreme National

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Speaker 6: Security Council in Iran, which of course reports to the

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Speaker 6: Supreme Leader, and the final decision is with the Supreme Leader,

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Speaker 6: but it's really that he overrules everyone. There has been

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Speaker 6: grumblings and quite loud ones within the IRGC and other

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Speaker 6: elements of the Iranian government who believe that comedy has

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Speaker 6: been two risk averse that he should have done this

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Speaker 6: much sooner, and the fact that he didn't have enabled

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Speaker 6: the Israelis to cheap on moving forward with increasingly blatant

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Speaker 6: attacks against Iranian commanders and officials. And now we saw

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Speaker 6: any Onion consulate in Damascus, and essentially the argument being

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Speaker 6: that if he had reacted sooner and asserted yvons, the

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Speaker 6: terrens and the Israelis would have stopped sooner. Now the

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Speaker 6: reason why it happened this time around, I think is

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Speaker 6: because this attack against the consulate with the final straw,

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Speaker 6: and it also violated a clear redline because it was

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Speaker 6: an attack on Iranian soil. The Iranian response at the

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Speaker 6: end of the day was also a clear violation of

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Speaker 6: an Israeli redline because these Radis had said that they

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Speaker 6: had implicity message that they would not have responded if

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Speaker 6: the attack it did not come from the Iranian soil,

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Speaker 6: but now it did. And not only was it using

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Speaker 6: cruise missiles, it was also using ballistic missiles. So it

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Speaker 6: is clearly risky. But nevertheless, within that operation, it was

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Speaker 6: designed to make sure that it didn't cause any damage,

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Speaker 6: because if the Yvonians wanted to cause damage, there was

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Speaker 6: no reason to give any heads up to Israel or

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Speaker 6: to the United States.

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Speaker 7: And not less you know, I said in the.

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Speaker 2: Two hour heads up, last thing I wanted to ask you, sir,

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Speaker 2: in terms of the geopolitics of the Middle East, there's

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Speaker 2: a lot being made here in Washington of the Jordanian

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Speaker 2: a guess allowance of the US and Israel to shoot

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Speaker 2: down projectiles and drones over their airspace, of the Gulf

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Speaker 2: Arab involvement as well. Can you break down some of

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Speaker 2: the dynamics of that. Will there be lasting effects? Can

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Speaker 2: we expect that to be some sort of coalition against Iran.

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Speaker 2: How do we make sense of it?

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Speaker 7: I don't think that's what it is pointing to.

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Speaker 6: You're right to ask the question, though, of course, because

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Speaker 6: the other countries Turkey, et cetera. Did not allow the

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Speaker 6: United States to use their airspace for this, Jordan doesn't

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Speaker 6: have much of an option. Jordan is completely dependent on

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Speaker 6: the protection of the United States, and it's clearly not

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Speaker 6: a particularly popular decision amongst Judainians either, mindful of how

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Speaker 6: angry the population is with what's going on in Gaus

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Speaker 6: and what they've received to be Judanian and broader Arab

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Speaker 6: potents towards Israel. But I think Jordanians are trying to

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Speaker 6: defend it by saying, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 6: they have to assert their independence and not allow Jordan's

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Speaker 6: airspace or territory to become an arena for a confrontation.

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Speaker 6: The question is if the Israelis now use attacks, begin

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Speaker 6: attacks against Iran and fly over Jordanian airspace, will Jordan's

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Speaker 6: shoot down those missiles as well or is it only

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Speaker 6: Ivani missiles that will be shocked there.

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Speaker 5: I noticed from some Chinese news sources they were arguing

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Speaker 5: that the Iranian attack on Israel was only made kind

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Speaker 5: of possible and necessary by the United States blocking the

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Speaker 5: United Nations Security Council from condemning Israel's attack on Damascus.

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Speaker 5: When I first see that analysis coming on, like really

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Speaker 5: just just a condemnation is all around needed and would

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Speaker 5: have stepped away from that. I've seen it kind of

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Speaker 5: so frequently and with so much, you know, the velocity

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Speaker 5: in those spaces that it does seem like the US

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Speaker 5: willingness to block condemnation did actually give a Ron more

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Speaker 5: incentive to go ahead with a more robust response. But

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Speaker 5: I'm curious for your take on the relationship between those

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Speaker 5: two things.

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Speaker 6: It's not clear whether a condemnation by the Security Council

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Speaker 6: would have prevented this, and we will never know, essentially

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Speaker 6: because it was blocked by the US, France, and the UK.

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Speaker 6: But I pointed to a previous example that is very

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Speaker 6: similar in some.

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Speaker 7: Ways, because you had a situation with a ninety.

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Speaker 6: Ninety eight in which the Tallebahb took math that to

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Speaker 6: show even Afghanistan, they executed a very large number of people,

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Speaker 6: but they also attacked the Yvanian consonants and they took

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Speaker 6: eleven Yranian diplomats and executed them as well.

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Speaker 7: The Yranians mobilized on their borders that were to go

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Speaker 7: to war. They didn't want to go to war, however,

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Speaker 7: because it was nothing.

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Speaker 9: To gain from actually going into war with Afghanistan, a

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Speaker 9: lesson that perhaps the US should have also taken to art.

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Speaker 6: But nevertheless, they felt the strong expectation that they have

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Speaker 6: to respond given this very blatant attack on their territory

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Speaker 6: through the consulates.

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Speaker 7: They went to the Security Council.

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Speaker 6: I worked as a security council at the time for

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Speaker 6: the Swedish Permanent Mission. Sweden was the president of the

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Speaker 6: Council in that month, and they demanded a very strong

737
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Speaker 6: condemnation by the Council, and that was provided. The Swedes

738
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Speaker 6: orchestrated it and make sure that was a very very

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Speaker 6: harsh reaction by the international community for what the Taliban

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Speaker 6: had done. And that very strong reaction ended up being

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Speaker 6: the exact face saving excuse the Yvani Is needed not

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Speaker 6: to go to war with the Taliban, which they avoided.

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Speaker 6: Now the parallels are very interesting. Once again, the Yvanis

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Speaker 6: are not looking for a war, but their consulate was attacked,

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Speaker 6: their personnel was killed, but the difference is time was

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Speaker 6: that it wasn't a strong combination because of the blocks

747
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Speaker 6: by the US, the UK, and the French. Now again

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Speaker 6: we don't know for certain if the parallel would have

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Speaker 6: worked out, but I think it's interesting in terms of

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Speaker 6: the role that the US's defense of Israel and political

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Speaker 6: protection plays here because the US did what.

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Speaker 9: Essentially Biden has been doing for the last seven months

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Speaker 9: in the US is done for more than twenty years,

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Speaker 9: which is to constantly provide political protection in the Security

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Speaker 9: Council for Israel, so it is not condemned. Well, that

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Speaker 9: approach appears to also incentivize other countries and to take

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Speaker 9: harsher measures than they otherwise.

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Speaker 7: May have to.

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Speaker 5: And then that a couple days later you see Ecuador

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Speaker 5: be like, oh, okay, then maybe we can just raid

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Speaker 5: the Mexican embassy here in Quito. But up next, we're

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Speaker 5: going to talk about Trump in Allentown, hitting on a

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Speaker 5: new nickname for genocide Joe that he seems to actually

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Speaker 5: appreciate but treated Parsi, Executive Vice President of the Quincy

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Speaker 5: Institute for Responsible Statecraft, thank you so much for joining us,

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Speaker 5: Thank you, sir, Thank you Donald Trump. Over the week

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Speaker 5: and went to Allentown, Pennsylvania, just northwest of that beautiful

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Speaker 5: Lehigh Valley, and I wanted to play this absolutely just

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Speaker 5: mind blowing clip from that rally. We're going to unpack

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Speaker 5: what this means for twenty twenty four. Here's here's Trump

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Speaker 5: and Schnecksville.

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Speaker 7: He is a big problem. Jo Jo the side, Joe,

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Speaker 7: Joe right side.

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Speaker 3: They're not wrong, They're not wrong. I swear saga.

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Speaker 5: I have watched that clip like twenty different times trying

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Speaker 5: to figure out how on earth we got there. Now.

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Speaker 5: On one hand, it's just it was completely predictable and

778
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Speaker 5: predicted that Trump would start to capitalize on the anger

779
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Speaker 5: at Biden for his facilitation of what a majority of

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Speaker 5: Democrats believe is a genocide, despite the fact that a

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Speaker 5: majority of Trump's supporters kind of support what's going on,

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Speaker 5: and that Trump himself and that's at that same rally,

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Speaker 5: you know expresses you know, continuing support for is There's

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Speaker 5: there's so many different layers and levels on which Trump

785
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Speaker 5: can attack this. What my read, and I'm curious as

786
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Speaker 5: a Trump connoisseur yourself, is that you know, Trump for

787
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Speaker 5: people to all not this like take drain the swamp

788
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Speaker 5: for instance, Like When that was first rolled out to Trump,

789
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Speaker 5: He's like, this is kind of cliche, and the.

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Speaker 3: Lane stupid, this is dumb.

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Speaker 5: He rolled it out at a rally boom roar, yeah,

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Speaker 5: and he's like, oh you like y'all like that?

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 5: He's like, well, here's here's some more of that.

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Speaker 2: Build the Wall was actually the exact same thing. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if people know this build a Wall was.

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Speaker 2: He thought it was corny. He didn't even think it

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Speaker 2: was smart. He never really came up with it. I

799
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Speaker 2: think he made an offhand comment where all of a

800
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Speaker 2: sudden he just saw it ripped through the crowd and

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Speaker 2: be shouted back at him, and he said, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, I'll seize on that. Let's go for it,

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Speaker 2: and what's the next line? And Mexico will pay for it.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think he got that from? It was

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Speaker 2: from the crowd. So Trump, as you said, he is.

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Speaker 3: A connoisseuring focus groups.

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Speaker 5: Use those.

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Speaker 2: It's actually smart. That's one of the things you learn.

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Speaker 2: It's like what actually catches on? What does anybody's ever

810
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: done speaking or live performance or anything knows exactly the

811
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Speaker 2: feedback loop that you can get into with the audience

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Speaker 2: My big thing was I was like, how much of

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Speaker 2: this was just those two guys, because what's clear in

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Speaker 2: the clip is that there were two guys who were

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Speaker 2: behind him, and they i think by chance, had access

816
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Speaker 2: where they could hit the microphone so we could actually

817
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Speaker 2: hear what they were saying, and they were behind him.

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Speaker 2: For people who don't know the people who are placed though,

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00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: behind Trump, you kind of have to be selected for that.

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Speaker 3: They don't just give it to you. It's not like

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Speaker 3: first come, first serve.

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Speaker 2: In general, the campaign is very you know, very weary

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Speaker 2: or very it's very They take a lot of care

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Speaker 2: as to who gets placed behind him. That's why it's

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Speaker 2: usually diverse and women all of it. Sometimes you know,

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Speaker 2: the blacks or Trump guys who are behind him. So

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, you know, if they asked to be able

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Speaker 2: to do that, if this was something that was greenlit,

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Speaker 2: possibly by the campaign. But what's fascinating about it is

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Speaker 2: not just that we have two guys in MAGA hats

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Speaker 2: chanting genocide Joe, which is interesting. I mean, all right,

832
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Speaker 2: there's a libertarian right coalition right that certainly believes that

833
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Speaker 2: it was Trump's embrace of They're not wrong, and the

834
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Speaker 2: reason why that's important is if you loo, if you

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Speaker 2: google it and you look into it. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: write ups in the Washington Post. We're talking about right

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Speaker 2: ups in the Times of Israel. And even though no

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Speaker 2: Republican politician was criticizing Trump for saying this and all that,

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Speaker 2: you can bet your ass that this was viewed very interestingly,

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Speaker 2: I think by the Israeli population, and I mean from

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Speaker 2: my count right now, the clip has millions of views

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Speaker 2: all across of social media, and it was shared. I

843
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: think what Trump has always been a genius at is

844
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Speaker 2: he's always trying to spot cleavages in the in coalitions

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Speaker 2: of his enemies. So with Hillary, he was always doing

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Speaker 2: the same thing. He was encouraging people who were anti

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Speaker 2: Hillary not to vote for Hillary, right, and he would

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Speaker 2: very often, you know the same thing with black voters.

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Speaker 3: What do you have to lose?

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Speaker 2: Why would you continue to support them? They're not going

851
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Speaker 2: to do that. We see some of that here, And

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00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: I mean, look, he reads the news and he watches television.

853
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: He knows that Joe Biden has a problem. Let's say

854
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Speaker 2: he can get even one to two percent of people

855
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Speaker 2: who believe that it's a genocide or to either not

856
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Speaker 2: vote for Biden or he may be somebody who could

857
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Speaker 2: support something that they have.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, it will be a political victory for him.

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Speaker 5: And we're going to talk about the polling later in

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Speaker 5: the show and the way that nostalgia plays a role

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Speaker 5: in how people think about Trump. And then also people

862
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 5: are so desperate they're willing to kind of overlay onto

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Speaker 5: any politician, but in particular Trump, what they want to

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Speaker 5: see if they're so deeply frustrated by Biden. So it

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Speaker 5: is not hard to find people who will make the

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Speaker 5: argument that Trump would actually be better for Palestinians because

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Speaker 5: Biden is ideologically a Zionist and willing to take political

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Speaker 5: heat back home, you know, in pursuit of that ideology

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Speaker 5: that he is dug in on his position that he

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Speaker 5: really believes in. People don't think that Trump believes anything.

871
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 5: That he's the most kind of narcissistic and nihilistic finger

872
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 5: in the wind politician that you could ever produce, and

873
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 5: that the second anything is causing him a problem, he's

874
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 5: going to throw it overboard. And so there is a

875
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 5: hope among some out there that well, maybe if the

876
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 5: war becomes difficult for Trump and is causing him problems

877
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 5: that he'll just throw Israel overboard.

878
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: Yes, that is a very important thing for people to

879
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: understand this. There was a case to be made, that's

880
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: what it would be. His track record is not necessarily

881
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 2: good right on the issue.

882
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 5: But what we could say, we've a lot of good choice.

883
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 3: So Trump doesn't believe anything.

884
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: Actually, I think he believes one thing, which is America's

885
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 2: being ripped off, which I support.

886
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 3: I thought he's right.

887
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: But outside of a few foundational things he's been talking

888
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: about for let's say thirty forty years, America is getting

889
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: ripped off.

890
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: Our leaders are.

891
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 2: Idiots and a genius and manipulation of the media. He

892
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: doesn't believe anything. He doesn't care abortion, Israel, etc. He

893
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: thinks Israel is very politically beneficial to him, basically behind

894
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 2: the scenes and even in front of the camera. He's

895
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: we got in front of the Republican Jewish Coalition. He's

896
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: been like, there's a lot of good businessmen here.

897
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 3: In the stream.

898
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: You know, he just openly he just doesn't care. And

899
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: they don't care either, because they give him money and

900
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: he does what they want.

901
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 5: And he may or may not used to have had

902
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 5: my comp next to his bad according to his Wow

903
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 5: really yeah, wow, like that he was one book he

904
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 5: would actually read, like according to a vantage promp.

905
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: Listen, you know there's you can study history in any way.

906
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: There's some annotated versions out there that I've taken a

907
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: look at before.

908
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: So if that's the guy, if you're the Israel lobby,

909
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 5: and that's the guy that you're putting all your chips.

910
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 2: On, well you saw that too in the Trump interview

911
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 2: when with the Israelis when he said you gotta wrap

912
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 2: it up, you gotta wrap it up, because they were

913
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: like they were shocked.

914
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 3: What do you mean you got to wrap it up quickly?

915
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: He's like, well, we got to bring peace, and you

916
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: know your pr you know, you guys are losing getting

917
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: killed the war and all that, and I mean.

918
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 3: They were stuned. They couldn't believe it.

919
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: And that's because he's not ideological in the same way.

920
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 2: So if he senses that it becomes politically unpopular to

921
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: support Israel, then he'll just turn on a dime. No,

922
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: he will always care about himself more than anybody else. Now,

923
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 2: the other question, though, is what are the people around

924
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 2: him believe? Who do they support, what are they trying

925
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: to do. Another interesting thing that I thought paired with this,

926
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: let's put the next one on the screen, was a

927
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: recent truth just the day.

928
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 3: Before from truth Social where Trump.

929
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: Said I would vote for RFK Junior if I was

930
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: a Democrat because he is a better man than Joe Biden.

931
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 2: So what he said actually in the video is RFK

932
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 2: Junior is, as you know, the most radical left candidate

933
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: in the race. He's more so than the Green Party,

934
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: He's more so than even Crooked Joe Biden. But he's

935
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 2: got some nice things about him. I happen to like him,

936
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 2: Trump said in the video. And he says, I guess

937
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: that would mean that RFK Junior is going to be

938
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: taking away votes from Crooked Joe Biden, and he should

939
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: because he's basically.

940
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: Better than Biden. He's much better than Biden.

941
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: If I were a Democrat, I would vote for RFK

942
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 2: Junior every single time over Biden because he's frankly more

943
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: in line with the Democrats, and he's a better man

944
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: than Joe Biden that I can tell you, saying it

945
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 2: was great for MAGA that he was in the race.

946
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: So clearly he sees RFK Junior as a spoiler. But

947
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: this is the thing that Chrystall and I continue to

948
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: look at. If you look at the polling, it's pretty

949
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 2: even who the man pulls from, and if his favorability

950
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: ratings are so much higher with Republicans, there's a decent

951
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: chance he pulls more from Trump than he.

952
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 3: Does from Biden.

953
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 5: To you're going to have this spectacle over the next

954
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,359
Speaker 5: several months of Democrats calling RFK Junior right way right

955
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 5: and Republicans calling him radical.

956
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 3: Ironically, both are true.

957
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 5: Actually, he does have positions that fit on both. And

958
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 5: I think a key moment, if it ever comes, would

959
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 5: be if Trump affirmatively just uses genocide Joe rather than

960
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 5: like crooked, crooked Joe or sleepy Joe. Very hard to

961
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 5: see him kind of use it without being prompted. And

962
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 5: I'd love to see a future rally because I think

963
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 5: you're right, like those two dudes, those American heroes, they

964
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 5: single handedly or double handedly you got that chant going,

965
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 5: and it wouldn't have wouldn't have been a news item

966
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 5: if Trump had not responded in the way he did, saying,

967
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 5: you know, they're they're not wrong. Yeah, if it hits

968
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: another rally and becomes a thing, that's my question that

969
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: becomes a wild question. I still think that Trump believes

970
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: that the pro Israel crowd still trusts Republicans more than Democrats.

971
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 3: They do have a question.

972
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 5: Even with the even with the difference of an ideologically

973
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 5: zionist committed Joe Biden as the Democratic nominee and the

974
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 5: kind of ambivalent Trump as the Republican nominee, the apparatus

975
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 5: around each is more likely to continue to support it Israel,

976
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 5: probably from the Republican signe Yes.

977
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 2: Look, I think that's probably the correct bet. But with Trump,

978
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: you genuinely have no idea. He could scramble everything and

979
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: then he can scramble right back. That's always the fun

980
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 2: thing about covering him. We have some really interesting polling

981
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: that's been coming out. Let's go and put this up

982
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 2: there on the screen. This, I think, more than anything,

983
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 2: really explains Trump's staying power and why I think he

984
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: has such a major political advantage. So this is and

985
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: let's keep this up here, please, How respondence views of

986
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,760
Speaker 2: Trump have changed from twenty twenty to now In terms

987
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 2: of his approval of handling the economy. From twenty twenty

988
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: to now, he's seen a ten point bump from fifty

989
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: percent or so past sixty two thirds of the are

990
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 2: now approof of his handling the economy when he was president.

991
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 2: Think he left the country better off plus nine. Approve

992
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 2: of his handling of maintaining law and order, plus eight,

993
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: Approve of his handling of unifying America, plus four, approve

994
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,320
Speaker 2: of his handling of COVID, plus three approve his handling

995
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 2: of the Supreme Court, plus one. Note that one, because

996
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 2: we're going to come back to that. But this is

997
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 2: where I think is really important. From twenty sixteen to now,

998
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 2: think electing him is a safe choice plus eleven, but

999
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 2: there has been a minus four in think.

1000
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 3: He respects women, which is kind of funny. But let's

1001
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 3: go to the next one.

1002
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 5: Four percent that thought he did. Yeah, now give it up.

1003
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 3: Let's go to the next one. Guys, because this is

1004
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: even more important.

1005
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: Do you generally remember the years that this candidate was

1006
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: president as mostly good or mostly bad For Joe Biden?

1007
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 2: Twenty five percent say mostly good, not really good or bad,

1008
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 2: twenty seven percent mostly bad, forty six percent don't know

1009
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:57,439
Speaker 2: one percent Trump, forty two percent mostly good, twenty three

1010
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: percent not really good or bad. Only thirty three percent

1011
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 2: say mostly bad for America To me. That is the

1012
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 2: single most important one that we could take away. And

1013
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: the reason why is because, and I've said this so

1014
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: many times, the nostalgia for pre COVID America is so strong,

1015
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: and why shouldn't it be. Gas was cheap, Inflation was

1016
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: not there, interest rates were low. All the madness had

1017
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: not yet happened. Things were mostly fine. Twenty nineteen of

1018
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 2: January is the highest level of Republican identification that we

1019
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: ever had in this country in modern history. I did

1020
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: a whole monologue about it at the time because I

1021
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: remember being stunned.

1022
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: But what can we take away from that? People want

1023
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: the good times back.

1024
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: Throughout all pandemics in history, there's always a mass amnesia afterwards.

1025
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,919
Speaker 2: People are like, Wow, that was terrible. Let's go back

1026
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: and guess who was President Trump. That's a huge benefit

1027
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 2: that he has.

1028
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: And what's incredible is that people living at the time

1029
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 5: had a chance to kind of express how they felt

1030
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 5: Trump fit into that utopia that we have now kind

1031
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 5: of retconned. And that was the twenty eighteen midterms, and

1032
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 5: it was an absolute bloodbath for Trump. So while you

1033
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 5: did have the highest Republicans edification January twenty nineteen, you

1034
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: also at the polls, you know, had Republicans tossed out

1035
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 5: of power and voters turned things over to Democrats because

1036
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 5: his presidency was just this ongoing train wreck of a

1037
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:29,439
Speaker 5: spectacle that really galvanized Democrats in a way that gave

1038
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 5: them the ability to kind of swamp you know, Republican

1039
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 5: turnout in those midterms. But now as people look back,

1040
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 5: that eleven point shift from you know, a safe choice

1041
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 5: is profound because that eleven points right there, those people

1042
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 5: who thought that he was just an unsafe person, like

1043
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 5: a lunatic in the oval office, you cannot trust him

1044
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 5: with power. Now he's been in power. And as people

1045
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 5: say it, while we survived, well, you know, lots of

1046
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 5: people did not survive. Yeah, but those people are not

1047
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 5: around to vote. And it's it's incredible actually to think

1048
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 5: about how COVID is and his handling of COVID is

1049
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 5: not really hurting him as as an issue in this campaign.

1050
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 5: And I think that that's a reflection of our desire

1051
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 5: to just forget the whole thing.

1052
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, and why shouldn't we. I mean, it's not like

1053
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: Biden's got his hands clean, you know on COVID. I

1054
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: could go on forever and this is one of.

1055
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 5: These because I locked down and people like, you know.

1056
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 3: What's vaccine mandates, all the stuff. I mean, we can

1057
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 3: go through every I think both sides.

1058
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: Neither hand, nobody else, nobody wants to. Why should you know,

1059
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 2: why should we relitigate all of it? If especially if

1060
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 2: we're going to try and you know, do checks and

1061
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 2: balances and all that in the moment, it's very very difficult.

1062
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: Let's we'd be remiss though, if we didn't highlight this.

1063
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 2: This is probably the singlet biggest confounding variable. Let's put

1064
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 2: it up there on the screen. From the risk of

1065
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: losing suburban women on abortion. So what we have here

1066
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: is actually a rating of the most important issue for

1067
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 2: we're a suburban women in swing states.

1068
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: So that's why this is a good poll.

1069
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: Abortion is thirty nine percent most important issue. Number two

1070
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: is immigration sixteen, economy seven, left wing ideology for inflation,

1071
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: for anti writing ideology.

1072
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: Three.

1073
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: But then if you look here, share of suburban women

1074
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: in swing states saying that the presidential candidacies on abortion

1075
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: are too restrictive. With Trump, it's fifty seven percent, just

1076
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 2: about right, is there? The twenty eight percent and then

1077
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: not restrictive enough? Is like negligible, But then check out

1078
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 2: Joe Biden. They say, seventeen percent is too restrictive. Forty

1079
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: nine percent, nearly half of the suburban women in these

1080
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 2: swing districts say that Biden is just about right. And

1081
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 2: in general, if what we can see, if abortion is

1082
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 2: going to be that much of the most important issue

1083
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: in general, if abortion is your top issue post row,

1084
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 2: you're voting for a Democrat Ryan right, and that is good.

1085
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Speaker 2: That chart right there. If by And wins, it's going to.

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Speaker 5: Because of that right and that seventeen percent are you know,

1087
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 5: they're to the left of Biden. They recognize, they recognize

1088
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 5: that Biden is out there saying things like, you know,

1089
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 5: I hate abortion of all. You know, he's doing this

1090
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 5: very kind of catholic you know, eighties nineties Democrat things.

1091
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 5: You've got seventeen percent of Democrats are like, that's you know,

1092
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 5: that's not for me. I want I want more than that.

1093
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 5: But they're still going to vote for him because he's

1094
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 5: the he's the one that's on the ballot. I think

1095
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 5: what's going on here is that A. It's it's a

1096
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 5: fundamental right that affects people's lives. H and b people

1097
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 5: are seeing policy change as a result of politics, very.

1098
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 3: Direct change, Yeah, because of the ballot with.

1099
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 5: Everything else, inflation, like wars spiraling out of control, unemployment,

1100
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 5: you draw people do draw a connection between, oh, this

1101
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 5: is the party in power. So I'm I either am

1102
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 5: punishing or crediting the party in power because of how

1103
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 5: things are going here. But the direct line to how

1104
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 5: the policies are kind of creating the downstream effect is

1105
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 5: not that clear. It's more like it's more based on vibes.

1106
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 5: When it comes to abortion policy, it's very clear, yes,

1107
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 5: Like Republicans are writing laws that are banning abortion, banning IVF,

1108
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 5: going back to the eighteen sixty four pedophile author law,

1109
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 5: and Democrats are writing laws that are expanding abortion rights.

1110
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 5: Like you don't need economists to come in and explain

1111
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 5: to you how you know the ARP is linked up

1112
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 5: with the federal results interest rate policies, and so they're like, Okay, well,

1113
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 5: I don't really believe that politics is worth participating in.

1114
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 5: I'm very cynical and jaded about this, but I do

1115
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 5: know that if I go out and vote for this,

1116
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: this particular thing will actually change.

1117
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 3: That is a fantastic point. I've not been on the show.

1118
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: Since that Arizona thing came down, Bill cannot believe that

1119
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 2: it happened. It is the greatest gift to Democrats that

1120
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 2: I could have possibly thought.

1121
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: And I think if again, if.

1122
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: Arizona goes blue again, we're going to know exactly why,

1123
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,160
Speaker 2: especially in the context of a multiple blue representatives being elected.

1124
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: Carrie Lake doing herself no favors, being on camera straight

1125
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 2: up supporting the law and now is like, no, I

1126
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: actually don't support the law.

1127
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, good luck with that, Carrie.

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: Let's see whether that video is blanketed on the entire

1129
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 2: state of Arizona. I think all of this explains too.

1130
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 2: Let's put another confounding variable. Biden is shrinking Trump's edge

1131
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: in this latest time SIENA poll forty six to forty

1132
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 2: five don't know is about eight percent quote. President Biden

1133
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: has nearly erased Trump's early polling advantage, signs at a

1134
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: Democratic base has began to coalesce around the president, despite

1135
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: the lingering doubts about the direction of the country, the economy,

1136
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 2: and his age.

1137
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 5: So and the Times looked at like, yeah, sixteen or

1138
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 5: so polls that were taken were where a poll was

1139
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 5: taken by the same polster before and after the State

1140
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 5: of the Union, and on average by it a little

1141
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 5: bit more than a point. The public is moving towards Biden,

1142
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 5: which is not which is not huge, but given that

1143
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 5: significant of a data set, it does it does mean something.

1144
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 5: And a lot of the polls, like the Siana one

1145
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 5: you saw, you saw more significant swings. One explanation would

1146
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 5: be he's now definitely the nominee. And so you've got

1147
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 5: some percentage of Democrats who are like, all right, you're

1148
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 5: really going to make me vote for Joe Biden. Yeahs

1149
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: Bo Burnham says in that song like yeah, all right,

1150
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 5: are really going to make me do this? Well?

1151
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 3: All right?

1152
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 2: I mean if you're fortunately your top issue and that's

1153
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: all that you care about, then yeah, you should vote

1154
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 2: for Biden.

1155
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: You'd be an idiot, not too right.

1156
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: I mean one of those where like, let's be real,

1157
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 2: like when we're talking about that now, I don't vote

1158
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: that way.

1159
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't have like a.

1160
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 2: Tope issue you know that vote on. You gotta kind

1161
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 2: of think holistically. But I'm not going to blame people

1162
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: who do. That's fine. You know, you get to it's

1163
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 2: your decision. You get to care what you care the

1164
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: most about, and that's like, why will inform your decision.

1165
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,919
Speaker 5: Like people who supported herschel Walker, yeah, okay, or Broy

1166
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 5: Moore or John Father.

1167
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 3: It's fine, yeah, you know, yeah, you make your enjoyments.

1168
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 3: I guess that's one of those where I.

1169
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 2: Mean the Faederman one is a perfect example because it's

1170
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: a straight up vegetable on the day of the election,

1171
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 2: can't even speak and wins the election by five points.

1172
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 3: Because people have him, well would rather have him. All

1173
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: he's got to do is vote blue. That's all it takes.

1174
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 5: Turned out to be that is rabid, yeahsh.

1175
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 2: But I mean that is very informative for how people,

1176
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 2: if an issue is so overwhelming, will look well past

1177
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: candidate flaws and much more to go ahead and to

1178
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: vote for somebody. So just keep that in mind and

1179
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,479
Speaker 2: we will continue to pay attention because that I still

1180
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 2: think is the most. It's covered a lot, but it's

1181
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: such an unknown variable and unknown unknown as Donald Rumsfeld

1182
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: used to say that, Actually I guess this would be

1183
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 2: a no, yeah, you're right. At the same time, there's

1184
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: some major developments here in Washington. The Iranian attack on

1185
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: Israel is very likely to spur possibly some movement in

1186
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: terms of not only Israel Aid being passed through the Congress.

1187
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 3: But Ukraine Aid as well.

1188
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 2: President for former President Trump also making some news. I

1189
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,800
Speaker 2: did a joint press conference at mar A Lago with

1190
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House Mike Johnson and appears to have

1191
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: now flipped and supported actually more aid to Ukraine as

1192
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: long as it's alone.

1193
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 10: They're talking about it, and we're thinking about making it

1195
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 10: in the form of a loan instead of just a gift.

1196
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 10: We keep handing out gifts of billions and billions of dollars,

1197
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 10: and we'll take a look at it. But much more

1198
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 10: importantly to me is the fact that Europe has to

1199
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 10: step up and they have to give money. They have

1200
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,160
Speaker 10: to equalize. If they don't equalize, I'm very upset about

1201
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 10: it because they're affected much more than we are. The

1202
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 10: Ukraine situation would have never happened if I was president,

1203
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 10: would have never ever happened. And everybody says that, including Democrats,

1204
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 10: that it happened to such an outrage people. Millions of

1205
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 10: people are dead right now, both sides. Millions of people

1206
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 10: are dead.

1207
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 2: So as we had to say, look, he's not wrong

1208
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: in terms of the European rhetoric that he had there Ryan, but.

1209
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 3: Casualties here is the problem.

1210
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 7: People.

1211
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Speaker 3: Well yeah, probably probably not correct in terms of millions,

1212
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: but it is hundreds of thousands on both sides, that's

1213
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:13,440
Speaker 3: no question.

1214
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 6: Uh.

1215
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 2: The issue is that this is now some trojan horse

1216
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: idea which appears to have gotten to his head from

1217
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: none other than Lindsey Graham, who figured out from Trump.

1218
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 2: He's like, well, if we con him into saying it's alone,

1219
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 2: then Trump will be like, oh, well then we're not

1220
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 2: actually spending. If you think you're going to dime that

1221
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: money back from Ukraine, you are an idiot. Okay, these

1222
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 2: people can't even pay their own government bills. Who do

1223
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: you think is running it right now? But America is

1224
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 2: paying for their bills.

1225
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 5: Well, so they most of the money is not going

1226
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 5: to leave Northern Virginia anyway.

1227
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1228
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: No, that's another good point.

1229
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 2: And that's actually that's this is the irony, and let's

1230
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: all let's explain this is. The Hawks are like, well,

1231
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: the reason why this money is good is because we're

1232
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 2: just reinvesting it into our defense supply chain. So if

1233
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 2: you presume that it is alone, then you're basically asking

1234
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 2: Ukraine to have money that they don't have to then

1235
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: send over here to buy weapons and then to send

1236
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 2: it back to them and then miraculously in the future

1237
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:14,560
Speaker 2: when Ukraine, formally, when it was intact one of the

1238
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 2: most corrupt and frankly like poor nations in all of Europe,

1239
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: is somehow just going to be able to pay back

1240
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 2: hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons loans, Like, let's

1241
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: live in reality, it's never going to happen.

1242
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 5: It's way outside of their GDP potential exactly, Like, it's

1243
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 5: just mathematically impossible. And if you believed that one hundred

1244
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 5: percent of the money that we're spending on weapons for

1245
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 5: Ukraine is for the benefit of Ukraine, then you could

1246
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 5: make an argument that okay, Ukraine should pay that back

1247
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 5: and little interest on the top there for our trouble.

1248
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 5: But the money that we're spending is for the benefit

1249
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 5: of the of the United States. And when I say

1250
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 5: the United States, I mean you know, Northern Virginia, the

1251
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 5: military industrial complex, the kind of the heads of the empire. Yeah,

1252
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 5: so to speak, that's that's that's what's going on here.

1253
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 5: And so to try to say that you're going to

1254
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 5: make the Ukrainians pay for that when you know they

1255
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 5: are just rapidly fleeing to get away from the draft.

1256
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 5: Like you know, if this was a fight where you know,

1257
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: there were you know, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians who

1258
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 5: were demanding AMMO and weapons to go to the front

1259
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,800
Speaker 5: lines to defend you know, the integrity of their of

1260
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 5: their nation, and that all they need is the world

1261
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 5: to support their effort. Then that's one thing. Now you

1262
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 5: could still a lot.

1263
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 2: By the way, we already passed that and guess what,

1264
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: they're all dead or.

1265
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 5: They've lost their links. Yes, exactly, that's not the situation.

1266
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 5: The situation is the government, which is indefinitely postponing elections,

1267
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 5: is running around trying to round up anybody like under

1268
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 5: sixty five seventy.

1269
01:03:55,600 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: Years, kidnapped of old, including people with down syndroms, video training.

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01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 5: Them for a couple of weeks, and then throwing them

1271
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 5: into the into the front lines to fight against refreshed

1272
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 5: and trained Russian reserve troops. Yes, Russians. We're so kind

1273
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 5: of propagandized here in the US that that everybody seems

1274
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 5: to believe that the Russians are the ones that are collapsing,

1275
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 5: and the Russians are the ones that had had to

1276
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 5: do this like enforced conscription. The front lines don't have

1277
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 5: any conscripted Russian soldiers. They do have conscripted Russian soldiers,

1278
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 5: but those are those are in the back end doing

1279
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 5: the doing the basic glen of grunt work that needs

1280
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 5: to happen to make sure that an army can continue

1281
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 5: to function. It's the Ukrainians who have had to conscript endlessly,

1282
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 5: forcing people to front lines. And I just don't see

1283
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:46,560
Speaker 5: how it's a moral use of my tax dollars to

1284
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 5: put a gun in somebody's hand who doesn't want to fight, Like,

1285
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 5: if they themselves don't want to fight, who are we

1286
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 5: to force them to?

1287
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Speaker 3: I totally agree. And here's let me read this to

1288
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 3: you from Senator mc romney. Here's his argument for more

1289
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 3: A to Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Providing weapons Ukraine may not change the course of the war,

1291
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: but not providing it to Ukraine sherwood.

1292
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Speaker 3: So, in other words, just keep using them as cannon fodder.

1293
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: Right, they could sit there and we can plug them

1294
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: full of artillery and bullets, and we'll just get more.

1295
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 3: Ukrainian guys that are in there, and more.

1296
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: Ukrainian sixty year olds, more mentally retarded people, and all

1297
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 2: of them will just kill them off as much as

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Speaker 2: the government, you know, is at its whim when they've

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Speaker 2: already lowered the draft age to twenty five.

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Speaker 3: This is the other Iron Europe.

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Speaker 5: Trying to get the other European countries it's sent back.

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Speaker 2: It sounds nuts that they've only lowered the draft age

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Speaker 2: of twenty five. You know why, because they already have

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Speaker 2: a population problem where they don't have that many young men,

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Speaker 2: and the young men don't want to serve. It's tremendously unpopular.

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Speaker 2: Their families don't want them to do so why are

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Speaker 2: we even providing them with the weapons to be able

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Speaker 2: to continue this madness?

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Speaker 3: Yet?

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Speaker 2: Speaker Mike Johnson appears to be going in the hawk

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Speaker 2: direction and very likely to possibly include here Ukraine aid

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Speaker 2: on top of some sort of Israel rider. He gave

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Speaker 2: an interview to Fox News Sunday, and here's what he

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Speaker 2: had to say.

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Speaker 12: How does this change your plans this week in terms

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Speaker 12: of voting on an aid package for Israel.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've understood the urgency of this from the very beginning,

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Speaker 4: I mean a few days after I became speaker. Way

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Speaker 4: back in October, we passed our Israel support package. It's

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Speaker 4: been sitting on Chuck Schumer's desk ever since because we

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Speaker 4: included a pay for as you remember, what a concept

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01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 4: we took from the IRS expansion slush fund to pay

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Speaker 4: for the Israel priority. We tried it again just about

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Speaker 4: a month and a half ago, a clean Israel that

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Speaker 4: many Democrats one hundred and sixty six as I remember,

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Speaker 4: in the House voted against. Why because President Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: said that he would veto that. So the House Republicans

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Speaker 4: and the Republican Party understand the necessity of standing with Israel.

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Speaker 4: We are going to try again this week and the

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Speaker 4: details of that package are being put together right now.

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Speaker 4: We're looking at the options and all these supplemental issues.

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Speaker 12: Well, the former president President Trump has talked about the

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Speaker 12: possibility of turning aid for Ukraine into a loan. Is

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Speaker 12: that what you're considering?

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know, I had a great visit with them

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Speaker 4: at Mary Lago on Friday, and he and I are

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 4: one hundred percent united on these big agenda items. And

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Speaker 4: when you talk about ad to Ukraine. He's introduced the

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Speaker 4: lone lease concept, which is a really important one I

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Speaker 4: think has a lot of consensus, as well as these

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Speaker 4: other ideas, the Repo Act which we've discussed, which is

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Speaker 4: seizing the assets of corrupt Russian oligarchs to help pay

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Speaker 4: for this resistance. I think these are ideas that I

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01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 4: think can get consensus, and that's what we've been working through.

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Speaker 3: There you go from the horse's mouth and now it's live.

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Speaker 2: And if you think the neocons aren't going to use

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01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 2: this to their best advantage, well just watch and see

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01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 2: what happens this week. Same thing. Mitch McConnell. It's going

1349
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: to put this up there on the screen. He says

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Speaker 2: that the consequences of failure are now clear and devastating

1351
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 2: and avoidable, and that is why they immediately need to

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01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 2: have passage of Ukraine and Israel aid through the House

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01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: of Representatives. So this Iranian attack in some ways has

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Speaker 2: been like the biggest boon to Ukraine aid that has

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01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 2: happened in some time. The House of Senatives has already

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01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: said all week this is our number one priority is

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Speaker 2: sending aid to Israel. Now the question is would Senator

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Speaker 2: Schumer and them back down if they sent aid to Israel,

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Speaker 2: which is not tied with Ukraine aid. But I increasingly

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Speaker 2: see it unlikely Ryan, that anything gets through the House

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Speaker 2: which doesn't have some sort of Ukraine rider.

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Speaker 3: What do you think that's right?

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Speaker 5: Because you know, Democrats have been unable to get a

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Speaker 5: majority for Israel only aid because permilajaiopaul AOC, a bunch

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Speaker 5: of folks on the left have said, no, you know,

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Speaker 5: not not amid this genocide, are we going to send

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Speaker 5: you money for Israel. That means that you need to

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Speaker 5: get Republicans and Democrats to come together. And you know,

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Speaker 5: the Republicans need to be able to move forward without

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Speaker 5: the Freedom Caucus kind of America first wing, and the

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Speaker 5: Democrats are gonna have to go forward without the squad

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Speaker 5: and the Progressive and a decent chunk of the Progressive Caucus.

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01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 5: And so, like you said, this running attack was probably

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01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 5: a gift to the McConnell's of the world and to

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01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 5: the people who are pushing for Ukrainian aid because it

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01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 5: ramps up the pressure on getting aid to Israel and

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Speaker 5: coming at the same time that you've got Mike Johnson

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Speaker 5: and Donald Trump saying okay, you know what, we don't

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 5: want to give aid to Ukraine. But as long as

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Speaker 5: the Europeans are paying their fair share and we turn

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Speaker 5: it into a lend lease, which will be a completely

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01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 5: forgivable loan, and you know, it's never never coming back

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01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 5: except in terms of kind of a more American.

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Speaker 3: Pace, except in an accounting thing where you know, just

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Speaker 3: technically having debt on our books for the nest two

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Speaker 3: hundred years from from Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so that that does seem to be the most

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Speaker 5: likely path that they'll put both of these through together.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is ironic too, because all it would

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Speaker 2: do is stop the Europeans from actually trying to get

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Speaker 2: their act together and.

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Speaker 5: Also and also stop the eventual end to this war,

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Speaker 5: Like exactly there has to be at some point, you

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Speaker 5: would think an end to this war.

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Speaker 2: The best they hold what they currently have, which is

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Speaker 2: way worse than the peace deal that was on the

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Speaker 2: table in.

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Speaker 3: The first at risk, right, if we send all the

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Speaker 3: weapons by listening to it, Romney, we won't. It may

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Speaker 3: not make a.

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Speaker 2: Difference, Okay, So you know it's one of those where yeah,

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01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:15,839
Speaker 2: sixty billion dollars or whatever that would be sent to Ukraine,

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 2: Why exactly is that worth money to so that for

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 2: the integrity the Eastern Dunboss region.

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Speaker 3: How does that affect my life? Oh wait, it doesn't actually.

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01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:29,120
Speaker 2: Senator jd Vance gave an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper

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01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:32,320
Speaker 2: where he argued strendlously against any aid to Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he had to say.

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Speaker 13: Let me ask you about Ukraine because you wrote an

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01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 13: op ed in the New York Times saying that you

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01:10:38,680 --> 01:10:43,880
Speaker 13: don't think it makes sense the Biden pitch for at Ukraine.

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01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 13: You've been accused of appeasement, You've been accused of surrender.

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Speaker 13: Even the National Review had a column about that. And again,

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01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 13: I'm going to get to Iran in Israel, which I

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01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 13: know is a big pressing story, but I do want

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:56,599
Speaker 13: you to address that because the National Review is basically

1417
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 13: saying that your solution to the problem of Russia invading

1418
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 13: a sovereign Ukraine is to just surrender. Are they wrong?

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Speaker 5: No, Look, my solution to.

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Speaker 14: The problem is to rebuild our own country. The reason

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01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 14: that we're in this position, Jake, is because we're stretched

1422
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 14: way too thin.

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01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 5: We're stretched way too.

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Speaker 14: Thin, and the number of weapons systems that we need,

1425
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 14: the Ukraine needs, the Taiwan needs, that Israel needs, and

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Speaker 14: we can't do all of these things at once. So

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Speaker 14: when you're stretched too thin, you've got to focus and

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01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 14: you've got to rebuild your own country. Let's take just

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01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,680
Speaker 14: one of those weapons systems that we're talking about, one

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01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 14: hundred and fifty five millimeters artillery shelves. The Russians currently

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01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 14: have a five to one advantage over the Ukrainians. The

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 14: Israelis will need this stuff, the Taiwanese need this stuff,

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,520
Speaker 14: and of course America needs this stuff. Can we possibly

1434
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 14: fight all of those conflicts that wants to know?

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01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:44,479
Speaker 5: The math just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 14: So what we should be doing is with Ukraine, encouraging

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01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,679
Speaker 14: them to take a defensive posture, not these disastrous counter

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01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 14: offensive the Biden administration has been promoting.

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01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 13: Is within Ukraine. The counter offensive is within Ukraine. They're

1440
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,679
Speaker 13: not seeking land from Russian In.

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Speaker 14: Fact, just today, I'm just asking judgment on the morality

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Speaker 14: of what they're doing. Of course it's their territory, Jake,

1443
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 14: but you have to acknowledge military reality on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's sensible and it's obviously true. Even

1445
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: like we just talked about in our Israel block, we

1446
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 2: just spend one point three billion dollars in defense on

1447
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Speaker 2: a single attack from Iran.

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01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:17,599
Speaker 3: How do you think it's going to look like we're

1449
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 3: going to full on war.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly how when we were in Afghanistan, the toll

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01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 2: at some point was some two hundred million dollars a

1452
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 2: day that we were spending in the war in Iraq

1453
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,760
Speaker 2: as well. That's how that six trillion number got as

1454
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 2: high as it was. People really have no idea like

1455
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,280
Speaker 2: once the ball is rolling, and just the amount of

1456
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,480
Speaker 2: money that gets printed and spent on this stuff is astounding.

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Speaker 2: The Republicans, though, do have a genius plan, by the way,

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Speaker 2: to pay for A to Israel.

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Speaker 3: Let's go and put this up there on the screen.

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01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 2: Johnson apparently has a proposal which will condition A to

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01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:53,520
Speaker 2: Israel on domestic spending cuts. It's not just from the IRS,

1462
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: it's from other programs that we have here. So let's

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01:12:57,400 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 2: just all just ruminate a little bit on that.

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Speaker 5: And we could argue about this endlessly. But the quote

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Speaker 5: unquote cuts to the IRS actually add to the deficit,

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01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 5: because if you defund the IRS, you get less tax

1467
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 5: money coming in. And by the way, just one fun detail,

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Speaker 5: the one hundred and fifty five millimeter shells, those are

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Speaker 5: the ones that Pakistan has been making for the US

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Speaker 5: since we overthrew in ron Khan. That's basically that's why

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Speaker 5: we overthrew. Oh where there's a result of overthrowing in

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Speaker 5: ron Khan is that it pushed Pakistan in our direction.

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Speaker 5: And what Pakistan does is makes lots of those shells,

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Speaker 5: and so we got those factories humming for for Ukraine's benefit.

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Speaker 3: As a result.

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Speaker 2: And just even with all of that, it doesn't really

1477
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Speaker 2: matter because the best estimate for a bifiscal twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: eight is eighty five thousand shells a month. That's according

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Speaker 2: to the US Army, and the Russians are currently at

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Speaker 2: like one hundred and seventy five thousand.

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01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 3: So just so people understand just how far.

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Speaker 5: Bea we're dropping those all over the bread basket of

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01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,800
Speaker 5: the world. Yeah, how's that working?

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well we'll see thank you Trump. Len Ley's program

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01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 2: genius absolutely genius scam by the neocons here, But as

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,320
Speaker 2: usual for him, he's like, well that sounds good, we'll

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01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 2: make it alone. Great, great idea. Cornell West, the Independent candidate,

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01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 2: has chosen Black Lives Matter activist Melina Abdullah as his

1490
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,759
Speaker 2: vice president. The Independent candidate says he needs a VP

1491
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,959
Speaker 2: pick to gain access to the ballot. This actually explains

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: also why RFK Junior announced his VP picks so early.

1493
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: There's some contestation right now whether he actually qualified for

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:33,600
Speaker 2: the Arizona ballot or not, because he didn't have his

1495
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: VP listed whenever he made his petition. So that's why

1496
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,880
Speaker 2: the two of them are announcing their VP candidates much

1497
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: earlier than everybody else. But what's your immediate reaction to

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01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,920
Speaker 2: Cornell West choosing a BLM activist here?

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Speaker 5: Cornell West said, he he wants to run with somebody

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Speaker 5: who brings some joy and then he feels proud of me. Obviously,

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01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 5: this is not a he's not playcating any kind of

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01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 5: he's a triangulating. He's he's leaning completely in right. Uh,

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01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,719
Speaker 5: he's as as he said it. Uh, you know, he's

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01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 5: he's running. Uh, he's running for Genius Malina. Uh is

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01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 5: running for Allah. So you're kind of a Christian Christian

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01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 5: social justice warrior and a Muslim social justice warrior on

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01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 5: the on the ticket together. Malina was a basically an

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Speaker 5: original founder of of b l M like this, so

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01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 5: as as you know, it began with kind of a

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Speaker 5: hashtag on Facebook. Uh, that really took off. And then

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Speaker 5: the organizers captured that energy, got together in a room

1512
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,960
Speaker 5: and decided, you know how they were going to you know,

1513
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 5: take that energy and move it forward. And Molina was

1514
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 5: among among those people. And and she's also she's kind

1515
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,800
Speaker 5: of been a kind of an elder in that in

1516
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 5: that space, as you know a lot of a lot

1517
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 5: of the original BLM founders were you know, teens twenties.

1518
01:15:56,360 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 5: She's a more kind of accomplished professor. Uh, you know,

1519
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 5: like any radical leftist in this country who hasn't scrubbed

1520
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 5: her Twitter feed, you're gonna find all sorts of stuff.

1521
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 2: Let's take a let's take a trip down memory lane,

1522
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 2: shall we. Let's go and put some of these up

1523
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:15,760
Speaker 2: there on the screen from miss Abdullah we have. Why

1524
01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 2: do I feel like it's slightly racist to be a

1525
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift hit?

1526
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 5: This one got some trash in real time.

1527
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 2: That actually was literally only two months ago. This isn't

1528
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 2: some old tweet that we're looking at here. Let's continue

1529
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: to play some of the greatest hits. The American flag

1530
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 2: symbolizes the genocide of Indigenous people, the theft of their land,

1531
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 2: the enslavement of dehumanization, exploitation of black people, and settler colonialism.

1532
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: Critique around Beyonce's artistic choice is important and healthy, not

1533
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: hate hashtag cowboy Carter. As Ben Jacobs, the political reporter notes,

1534
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: is this our first anti American flag candidate? Let's go

1535
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 2: to the next one here as Well says these are

1536
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 2: some older ones, but none is older than July of

1537
01:16:56,680 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. On Pete budaj Edge apparently saying the word Niger,

1538
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 2: she says nobody white should ever refer to the nation

1539
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: of Niger period misspelled period?

1540
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: Does anybody else.

1541
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: Resent that COVID nineteen has made it acceptable for old

1542
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,559
Speaker 2: white men to hijack Black culture and give each other

1543
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: a DAP and fistball. Wait, Ryan, that's us, we fist

1544
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 2: pump each other. I guess we're hijacking Black culture with

1545
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,799
Speaker 2: the DAP. No self respecting black persons should be singing

1546
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:27,559
Speaker 2: the white national anthem hashtag demned debate and not digging

1547
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 2: the white children referred to as Mama La.

1548
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,080
Speaker 3: Didn't she just get married?

1549
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:35,720
Speaker 2: That's a dig at Kamala Harris for having the temerity

1550
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 2: to embrace her step children.

1551
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:42,799
Speaker 3: So all very popular positions, each one actually less popular

1552
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 3: than the next. Here's another one.

1553
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: In July twenty nineteen, I was compelled to step off

1554
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: the sidewalk three times during my thirty minute walk so

1555
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 2: that white folks and their dogs could pass. Got me

1556
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 2: feeling like hashtag gentrification is hashtag Jim Crow revisited. I'm

1557
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 2: going to say that the next time that I'm forced

1558
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: off bi pitbull. So these are these are all let's

1559
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 2: just say, interesting choice here by Cornell West.

1560
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 3: I mean, what is he thinking.

1561
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:11,840
Speaker 5: Let's be honest, they're like obvious racial dimensions to gentrification

1562
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:13,320
Speaker 5: and then they do walk.

1563
01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: Let's let's not even try. Let's not even try and

1564
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 3: rescue this abdella here? All right, Yeah, I don't know.

1565
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 5: About the dog.

1566
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 3: The dog, come on, what.

1567
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,040
Speaker 2: Are you talking about? But I think, look, I guess

1568
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: if you want to defend it, you can. This is

1569
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:32,600
Speaker 2: just pure gobbledegook. Looking at this woman's background, Pan African studies,

1570
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: University of California, totally poisoned with activist type rhetoric. And

1571
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 2: that's my thing here with Cornell and like, what are

1572
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 2: you trying to do? You know, it's interesting too, because

1573
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 2: look I get that BLM social justice and all that

1574
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,799
Speaker 2: is foundational to some of his political identity. Fine, okay,

1575
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 2: but don't you have some political reason as to why

1576
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 2: you are running beyond trying to capture this kind of

1577
01:18:56,840 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 2: activist base and vote, which, let's be honest, these people

1578
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 2: long to vote for Biden anyway, In terms of the

1579
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 2: practical realities, I see no political calculus other than becoming

1580
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 2: a laughingstock by picking somebody like this.

1581
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, Cornell has always had kind of a broader lens

1582
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:16,560
Speaker 5: when it comes to his radical love and his radical politics,

1583
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 5: one that you know what you know. He endorsed Obama,

1584
01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 5: for instance, I remember campaign for Obama and has always

1585
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 5: tried to unite people and make the argument that racism

1586
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 5: is dividing us so that the one percent can walk

1587
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 5: away with all of the spoils, which is probably an

1588
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 5: argument that Molina would would agree with, but she doesn't

1589
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 5: lead with it.

1590
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1591
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 5: Well, whereas where Cornell West does lead with that.

1592
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's why I found it confounding, is this

1593
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 2: is very much the opposite, at least from what I've

1594
01:19:53,720 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 2: watched and listened to him. He's generally I mean, I

1595
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't call him like a race first person. He definitely

1596
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:02,719
Speaker 2: indulges in a lot of racial rhetoric, but has always

1597
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 2: at least tried to adopt that this is something that

1598
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 2: is downstream of classism. But you know, from a pure

1599
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 2: political lens, it's like, why would you give this gift

1600
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: to to not only for media, I mean, we wouldn't

1601
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: be covering it otherwise otherwise, you know, otherwise it's like,

1602
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 2: who barely even cares he's even going to be on

1603
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: the ballot, But for this, I mean, just to me,

1604
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 2: seems like a profound political misjudgment.

1605
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 3: Maybe it's just what he believes. I think that's fine too,

1606
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,280
Speaker 3: if you want to do that.

1607
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 5: Coroner West has almost seemed I hope we can get

1608
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 5: him on the program.

1609
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 2: By the way, we have tried. His campaign has been

1610
01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass. So if anybody who's listening,

1611
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 2: who is out there, doctor West, We've invited you on

1612
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: the show more than a dozen times, and I have

1613
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:39,920
Speaker 2: yet to receive a proper response.

1614
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like he has regretted the decision to

1615
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 5: run since he launched it and has and has been like,

1616
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:47,720
Speaker 5: my conspiracy theory, if I were going to get it

1617
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 5: in his mind, is that he has been consistently trying

1618
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 5: to undermine his own campaign so as not to undermined

1619
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 5: by it.

1620
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 3: Interesting. Oh wow.

1621
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 5: First he launched with the People's Party, clearly doing anything that.

1622
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 5: Immediately as soon as he realized what he'd gotten into,

1623
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 5: he's like, WHOA, what is this mess? Then he goes

1624
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 5: over to the Green Party. Apparently he hadn't done much

1625
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 5: work with the Green Party because I could have told

1626
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 5: you that thing is a complete and total mess. And

1627
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 5: so he was like, whoa, the Green Party is extremely

1628
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 5: difficult to deal with. They're not going to just coordinate me.

1629
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 5: He didn't want to fight for the nomination.

1630
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:25,599
Speaker 3: Why should they coronate because because there are a self

1631
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:28,640
Speaker 3: respecting parties. Yes they're they're actually by the way, on

1632
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 3: the ballot, you know.

1633
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 5: But then I think he started to worry, Oh wait,

1634
01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,519
Speaker 5: now I might be if I win this, I will

1635
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 5: be on ballots and then I might throw the election

1636
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 5: to Trump. So then he's like, I'm going to run

1637
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,160
Speaker 5: as an independent. And running as an independent, I think

1638
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 5: he's only on like three ballots at this point. Running

1639
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,440
Speaker 5: as an independent, it's very difficult to get on the ballots.

1640
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 5: He's raised less than a million dollars, and he doesn't

1641
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,080
Speaker 5: seem to have the energy to kind of get on

1642
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 5: the ballot in fifty states. And is that deliberate? Like

1643
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 5: that is that expression of his Wait a minute, because

1644
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 5: he is very clear that he believes that Trump is

1645
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 5: a more dangerous that's form of fascism than Biden's form

1646
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 5: of fascism. Like that is? That is and he has

1647
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 5: ticked off an enormous number of people on the left.

1648
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 5: You with that position, but that is his position. And

1649
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 5: if that is your position.

1650
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 3: Then what's your raise on? What are we doing here?

1651
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 5: And I think what he's doing here is not running?

1652
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 2: Oh well, I like the psychoanalysis. Maybe that's why I

1653
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 2: won't come on the show. Doesn't want a big enough program.

1654
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: All right, all right, let's see. All right, let's move

1655
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 2: on to Bill Maher Ryan and I had to break

1656
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: this one down. Bill just injecting himself into the abortion

1657
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 2: debate in the single most bill way possible.

1658
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 3: Let's take a.

1659
01:22:41,960 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 15: Listen, not if you believe it's murder. You know, That's

1660
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 15: why I don't understand the fifteen week thing or the

1661
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,240
Speaker 15: Trump's plan is let's leave it to the states. You mean,

1662
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 15: so coming babies is okay in some states. I couldn't

1663
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:59,560
Speaker 15: respect the absolutest position I really can I scold the

1664
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,519
Speaker 15: left when they say, oh, you know what, they just

1665
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 15: hate women people who aren't pro wife they do the

1666
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:08,720
Speaker 15: pro choice, they just they don't hate women. They just

1667
01:23:08,840 --> 01:23:12,720
Speaker 15: made that up. They think it's murder and it kind

1668
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 15: of is. I'm just okay with that, I am. I mean,

1669
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 15: there's eight billion people in the world. I'm sorry, we

1670
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 15: won't miss you. That's my position on them. What, Yeah,

1671
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 15: exactly is that not your position if your pro choice is.

1672
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,639
Speaker 3: Maybe because you don't like children? No?

1673
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 15: No, I mean but if you are, you said your

1674
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 15: pro choice, that's your position too.

1675
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot going on there. So Bill,

1676
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we should note he is sixty

1677
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:48,879
Speaker 3: eight years old and unmarried. So I don't think Peers

1678
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: is off by saying, you know, do you just not

1679
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 3: like kids? Like what exactly is going on here?

1680
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 2: The problem for Bill is that he's basically embracing the

1681
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 2: og pro abortion argument by Margaret's Anger and other eugenicists,

1682
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 2: which is like, hey, we need abortion so that black

1683
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 2: people in particular will stop having a bunch of kids.

1684
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: This is why a lot of white.

1685
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 2: Supremacists, eugenicists, and others were original supporters of abortion. You'll

1686
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,280
Speaker 2: actually hear this from a lot of pro life people

1687
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:15,799
Speaker 2: in general.

1688
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 5: They took Martin Sanger's name off the Planned Parenthood building.

1689
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Yeah, as a result of that. But Ryan,

1690
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 3: give us the pro choice critique of what Bill has

1691
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: to say.

1692
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 5: I mean he's he's pro murderer. Yeah, you know, most

1693
01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:30,840
Speaker 5: reasonable people are anti murder.

1694
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:31,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1695
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 5: The argument that it's okay to murder people because there

1696
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 5: are too many people on the planet is evil. Like,

1697
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:42,759
Speaker 5: it's just deeply evil.

1698
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 3: This straight up depopulation.

1699
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,400
Speaker 5: Man, that's crazy. So at what age? So okay, how

1700
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:49,439
Speaker 5: about sixty eight year old?

1701
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like, like you.

1702
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 5: Said, Bill mar sixty eight, right, he thinks contributed to

1703
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,759
Speaker 5: the population, he be killed. Yeah, Like taking that logic seriously,

1704
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 5: it is impressive to be able to make the absolute

1705
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 5: least the absolute worst argument on either side in this spate. That. Okay,

1706
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 5: he says, I say that life begins at conception, but.

1707
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,600
Speaker 3: It is good to murder children because there are too

1708
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 3: many because there are too many people. Yeah, I mean

1709
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 3: this is where this is the issue. And look, I

1710
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 3: mean I'm not even going to as people know, I

1711
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,160
Speaker 3: don't believe in God. Okay, So for me. This is

1712
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:25,759
Speaker 3: a it's a difficult issue.

1713
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: As everybody always says, the general societal consensus for some

1714
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 2: reason is that we seem to accept it in the

1715
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: first trimester and all of that. Even with medical advances

1716
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 2: and all of that, it actually becomes more complicated at what.

1717
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 3: Exactly fetal viability is, et cetera. Go ahead.

1718
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 5: I know he is right that there's a contradiction between

1719
01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 5: believing as you know the pro life crowd does, and Emily,

1720
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 5: I'll talk about this that you know, if you believe

1721
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 5: life begins at conception, but you're okay with fifteen weeks, then.

1722
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, what is that exactly?

1723
01:25:56,360 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 5: He is correct. No, that is if it is murdering,

1724
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 5: how do you leave it? How do you go back

1725
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,559
Speaker 5: to the state. The pro choice croud just does not

1726
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 5: believe that, yes, that having an abortion is murder And

1727
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 5: also mar is just wrong to completely dismiss the misogynistic

1728
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 5: angle here. That doesn't mean that every pro life supporter

1729
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 5: quote unquote hates women like he said, but it is

1730
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 5: a it is a fundamental part of upholding the patriarchy. Well,

1731
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 5: and I think even most pro life supporters would it

1732
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:28,040
Speaker 5: would acknowledge that and say that, yeah, it is related

1733
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 5: to our resentment of and opposition to this sexual revolution

1734
01:26:31,680 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 5: and everything that is that, everything that is unfolded since

1735
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 5: then we would like to go back to pre nineteen

1736
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:39,479
Speaker 5: sixties version.

1737
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,200
Speaker 2: I think that's fair, and that's where I agree that

1738
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: it's wrong because it's one of those where it hates women. Okay, yeah,

1739
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 2: I mean that's it's a little bit hyper hyperbole. However,

1740
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,160
Speaker 2: when we look at polling and we see that the

1741
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 2: number one issue for suburban women or even for a

1742
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: lot of women is abortion, something is going on there,

1743
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 2: and in general, the vast majority of them are pro choice.

1744
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,880
Speaker 2: In general, especially here in America, what we individually select

1745
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: for is our right to self actualization. Now, this is

1746
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 2: where the pro life community and the religious community gets

1747
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 2: upset because at the end of the day, individualism is

1748
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: the enemy of collectivism, and specifically collectivism whenever it's related

1749
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 2: to religion and organized religion. So what they are trying

1750
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 2: to go against is exactly as you said. The ideas

1751
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 2: in the genesis of the sexual revolution, which was enabled

1752
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 2: by birth control, is the idea that the sex act

1753
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 2: itself can be disaggregated from procreation. That is literally the

1754
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 2: enemy of the Christian conception of procreation and of why

1755
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 2: the existence of sin and all that is here in

1756
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,360
Speaker 2: the first place, as it's been explained to me. So

1757
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,599
Speaker 2: my point though, is that this is an enemy. These

1758
01:27:45,640 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 2: are two competing ideologies, one very clearly is trending in

1759
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 2: a different direction when it comes to an increasingly secular America.

1760
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:58,959
Speaker 2: One of the most underreported like stories of our lifetime

1761
01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: is I grew up and so did you, Ryan in

1762
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: a Christian country. I grew up in nineteen nineties Texas

1763
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 2: where some ninety percent of the people around me were

1764
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,240
Speaker 2: straight up evangelical believers. If I go back now today,

1765
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: even today in a very Christian Christian place, you don't

1766
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: feel it just quite as much. You don't see that influence.

1767
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:25,600
Speaker 2: And we see declining church attendance, declining religiosity, declining religious identification.

1768
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,879
Speaker 2: The secularization has been such a mass change in American

1769
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 2: religious identity. We haven't seen anything like it since the

1770
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,920
Speaker 2: Great Awakening in the eighteen hundreds when we saw mass

1771
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:41,360
Speaker 2: Christian adoption or I guess church attendance, and that revolution

1772
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: in our lifetime is a huge part of this debate.

1773
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:47,759
Speaker 2: It's funny because I noted all these people were attacking

1774
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 2: Trump for saying leave it to the States, and I

1775
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 2: was like, hey, the entire time I was growing up,

1776
01:28:51,880 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: the pro lifers always just said leave it to the states.

1777
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 3: But somebody was like, no, no, no, dude.

1778
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,480
Speaker 2: But you don't understand if they didn't, if they realized

1779
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:01,400
Speaker 2: leaving it to the states would mean pro choice referendums

1780
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:03,599
Speaker 2: would passing red states, they never would have said that.

1781
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 3: They didn't believe it in the first place. And I

1782
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 3: do think that is undred percent.

1783
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 5: The other fascinating part about the great unawakening that we're

1784
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 5: living through is that some of it, some of its

1785
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 5: connected to the spread of evangelical Christianity in the sense

1786
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 5: that those types of folks are not actually.

1787
01:29:22,439 --> 01:29:23,960
Speaker 3: Going to church much. Yeah that's right.

1788
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, they consider themselves evangelical, but they don't even they

1789
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 2: don't really.

1790
01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 5: Be iheard, you know, evangelicals, but are ye not going

1791
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 5: to church because they believe that they have their own

1792
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,040
Speaker 5: relationship with Jesus, and you know they don't. They don't

1793
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:38,639
Speaker 5: need the institution to get in the way of it.

1794
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 5: Or you've got the megachurches, which are a very it's

1795
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 5: a very tenuous kind of connection to a church that's

1796
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,879
Speaker 5: not a it's not a neighborhood that is organized around

1797
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 5: this particular thing. It's just just a fun thing that

1798
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 5: people do on Sunday.

1799
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,920
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's it is very interesting. I would

1800
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 2: just say though, part of the problem, and this is

1801
01:29:58,240 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 2: one of the things I think that some of the

1802
01:29:59,479 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 2: religion folks are correct about, is that it does lead

1803
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: to the normalization of some straight up ghoulish rhetoric like

1804
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 2: what Bill Maher just said, which is depopulation. When you

1805
01:30:09,400 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: remove yourself from morals and you start to think purely

1806
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,680
Speaker 2: in these terms, then you can arrive at eugenicism and

1807
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: just think like, hey, why doesn't this stuff make sense?

1808
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 5: He seems surprised by the reaction. He watched the crowd.

1809
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 5: He thought he was going to get some guffaws at

1810
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 5: his like pro murder stance and even even yeah.

1811
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 2: Even peers, why, I guess peers from Britain. Yeah, in Britain,

1812
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 2: I mean they're not religio. They haven't been religious for

1813
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 2: like fifty.

1814
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 5: There was some collar tugging going on, and the crowd

1815
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:37,599
Speaker 5: that comes to a Bill Maher show has to be

1816
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 5: ready to hear some pretty impolitics stuff. And even they were.

1817
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,439
Speaker 2: Like yeah, because look That's the whole point in terms

1818
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 2: of the messy issue, and the way that the consensus

1819
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: and all of that has been arrived is, as you said,

1820
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 2: is that a lot of people just don't believe that

1821
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,520
Speaker 2: life does begin at conception, and it's much more fetal viability,

1822
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 2: and so thus they're like, I don't believe in murder.

1823
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 2: There in a way, Bill was like accepting like the

1824
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,559
Speaker 2: Christian framing, saying it is kind of murder.

1825
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 3: But I'm okay with that.

1826
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 2: Because we have eight billion people on the planet, I

1827
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:09,800
Speaker 2: will expect actually to see more of these types of

1828
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: discussions in America. What I'm really interested in is the

1829
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,839
Speaker 2: fact that even though as Americans become much more secular,

1830
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,799
Speaker 2: is we do still seem to have a moral code

1831
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 2: carried over through many civilizations which are non religious, where

1832
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 2: we still are like, yeah, murder is bad, eugenicism is bad.

1833
01:31:26,960 --> 01:31:30,040
Speaker 2: It's like, these are all lessons that, even in a

1834
01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:32,960
Speaker 2: non Christian nation, that we're arriving at our own kind

1835
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 2: of social, individualistic consensus, which is interesting. Nonetheless, there's certainly

1836
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 2: a lot else going on that is important in this world.

1837
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,720
Speaker 2: But something I couldn't just let go by without at

1838
01:31:44,800 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: least a word is media assessment of the death of

1839
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 2: OJ Simpson. The OJ case is one I never really

1840
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 2: cared about. I was only one year old at the

1841
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: time of the murders. I have no memory of the

1842
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 2: verdict or any of the media environment at the time.

1843
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:00,600
Speaker 2: My interest came many decades later after the release of

1844
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:03,799
Speaker 2: the FX series The People Versus OJ Simpson. It inspired

1845
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:05,759
Speaker 2: me to actually do a deep dive on the case

1846
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: and read several books about it. What I came away

1847
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 2: with is a disgust that I can barely describe. Reading

1848
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 2: an exquisite detail how OJ's defense team and the tabloid

1849
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: media transformed a narcissistic, abusive murderer into a black panther

1850
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,600
Speaker 2: police justice icon one of the most insane things that

1851
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,519
Speaker 2: happened throughout the nineteen nineties. I will not re litigate

1852
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: every detail here, but suffice it to say that the

1853
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,960
Speaker 2: media and Johnny Cochran got what they wanted. They split

1854
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 2: this country completely apart by race. You can see it

1855
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 2: clearly in the famous reaction shots to the verdict. Black

1856
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 2: audience is cheering the OJ not guilty verdict, many others

1857
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 2: repulsed by it.

1858
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:50,840
Speaker 3: Let's take a listen, Oh kid.

1859
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,639
Speaker 11: I think it's great. He deserves to go free. They

1860
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 11: had no evidence on him.

1861
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 3: So much evidence for as short as they did and

1862
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:03,599
Speaker 3: come back with a not guilty verdict.

1863
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 7: I think it.

1864
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 11: Shows that the jury was pretty irresponsible, and.

1865
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 3: I'm just don't think justice has served. I don't think

1866
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,040
Speaker 3: the jury did their job. I think they knew what

1867
01:33:13,080 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: they were going to do from the gate.

1868
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:18,639
Speaker 16: I think it was racist based and it was racist

1869
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:19,880
Speaker 16: from the black point of view.

1870
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 4: This is terrible that he's going to get away with this,

1871
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 4: you know, because I do believe that he did it,

1872
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:29,160
Speaker 4: and it's just not fair.

1873
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:32,439
Speaker 3: He's guilty. He's got to live in himself. Man, he

1874
01:33:32,520 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 3: knows he did it.

1875
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 5: DNA.

1876
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 3: He's not racial. It doesn't see black and white. It

1877
01:33:36,520 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 3: guess sees that he was there and he did it.

1878
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:41,519
Speaker 3: He's got to live in himself, that's all.

1879
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 2: I thought we'd at least left all that behind in

1880
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:45,360
Speaker 2: the nineties where it belonged. But I couldn't help but

1881
01:33:45,439 --> 01:33:48,000
Speaker 2: find that rage build back inside me when I started

1882
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 2: to see media reactions to the announcement of OJ's death

1883
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 2: the same race huckster collapse trap in twenty twenty four.

1884
01:33:54,840 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen from CNN.

1885
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 17: It's not like OJ Simpson was the leader of the

1886
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 17: civil rights movement of his error. You know, he wasn't

1887
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 17: a social justice leader. But he represented something for the

1888
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,960
Speaker 17: black community in that moment, in that trial, particularly because

1889
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 17: there were two white people who had been killed, and

1890
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:17,080
Speaker 17: the history around how black people have been persecuted during slavery.

1891
01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,920
Speaker 3: There were just.

1892
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 17: So many layers, and I guess I would just close

1893
01:34:20,360 --> 01:34:24,639
Speaker 17: with this is that there was racial tension. Then there

1894
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,240
Speaker 17: is racial tension. Now it might not be the backdrop

1895
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 17: of the Trump campaign, but until this country is ready

1896
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 17: to actually have an honest conversation about the racial dynamics

1897
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 17: from our origin story till today, we will always have

1898
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 17: moments like OJ Simpson that manifest and our country will

1899
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 17: always be divided if we don't actually deal with the

1900
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 17: issue of race.

1901
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 3: So let's break that down.

1902
01:34:46,240 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 2: This woman, Ashley Allison, former Obama staffort, says that OJ

1903
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,479
Speaker 2: Simpson represented something to the black community because he murdered

1904
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 2: two white people, and then somehow connects OJ's not guilty

1905
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 2: verdict to slavery. I cannot tell you how angry that

1906
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 2: makes me because it is the exact strain of thought

1907
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 2: and exploitation that Johnny Cochrane, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson

1908
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 2: used in the nineteen nineties to transform his case into

1909
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: something it was not.

1910
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:12,839
Speaker 3: What's insane is that it wasn't even.

1911
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:17,320
Speaker 2: The first case of OJ apologia on CNN in the aftermath.

1912
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 3: Of his death. The very first was this live reaction.

1913
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 3: Take a listen.

1914
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:24,760
Speaker 16: It's also just worth noting how much was impacted by

1915
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:28,280
Speaker 16: this trial, Jake. So many things happened, we saw policing

1916
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 16: changing here in the city. And it's also worth noting

1917
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:34,120
Speaker 16: because of that unrest, that racial unrest in the nineties,

1918
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 16: that is why so many people who may not have

1919
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 16: been invested in OJ Simpson were just happy to see

1920
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 16: that someone who was rich and famous and black could

1921
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:44,880
Speaker 16: get away with what other people did in the system

1922
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 16: as well too.

1923
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,680
Speaker 2: What was that so many people who was rich and

1924
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 2: famous and black could get away with what other people

1925
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: did in the system too? What strikes me about the

1926
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:54,560
Speaker 2: OJ case was how much it parallels the fightce that

1927
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:57,120
Speaker 2: we've had ever since the nineteen eighties. Take race out

1928
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 2: of it, and instead you see a different picture. A multimillionaire,

1929
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 2: world famous athlete who routinely beat and abused his wife,

1930
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 2: paid off or used his influence to quash police investigations,

1931
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 2: then bought his way out of a double murder homicide

1932
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 2: by throwing money at the most extensive attorneys in Los Angeles.

1933
01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 2: His victims were a waiter who was trying to be nice,

1934
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,160
Speaker 2: returning Nicole Brown Simpson's glasses, and Nicole Brown Simpson herself,

1935
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 2: who Oj married when she was an eighteen year old

1936
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 2: girl and was routinely and financially, emotionally and physically abused

1937
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 2: by Simpson up until the day she died at his hand.

1938
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 2: You instead have a tale here of the rich and

1939
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 2: powerful able to get away with literal murder, while people

1940
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,879
Speaker 2: with less resources and fame lie dead with no recourse.

1941
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,679
Speaker 2: Look no further than the New York Times to see

1942
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 2: the media legacy of the OJ trial. Their obituary of him,

1943
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 2: the Times wrote, quote, he ran to football fame on

1944
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 2: the field, made fortunes in the movies, but his world

1945
01:36:49,479 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 2: was ruined after he was charged with killing his former

1946
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,800
Speaker 2: wife and her friend. His world was ruined. Poor guy.

1947
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: Can't believe it ever happened to him even after all this. Today,

1948
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 2: the trial affect lingers the race politics that were pioneered

1949
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: by Cochrane and Jackson and Sharpton and the media. They

1950
01:37:06,160 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: went into overdrive in the interim decades. That's what poured

1951
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: gasoline on the fire of DEI initiatives, affirmative action, and

1952
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:15,080
Speaker 2: the division that we have today, the parallel track, the

1953
01:37:15,080 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 2: path of the rich and the famous and the powerful.

1954
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 2: They were able to get away with whatever they want.

1955
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:22,400
Speaker 2: It's only accelerated in the last thirty years, using race

1956
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 2: politics like they did as their shield. That is the

1957
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,240
Speaker 2: true and the lasting effect of the OJ Simpson trial.

1958
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,679
Speaker 2: It is one of the most shameful periods in modern

1959
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,479
Speaker 2: American times, and one whose true lesson should be how

1960
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,559
Speaker 2: much damage that it wrought over that time.

1961
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 3: That was what I couldn't get away with Ryman.

1962
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:40,439
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1963
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1964
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Speaker 2: Chris will be back tomorrow Counterpoints. She will be in

1965
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Speaker 2: for you on Counterpoints, So I guess you'll have three

1966
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:53,439
Speaker 2: days of Chrystal and a row, So enjoy that and

1967
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 2: we will see you all tomorrow.