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Hello, my 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.600 name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night and welcome 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.040 to x ray Vision, the crooked media podcast where we 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.920 dive the put to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:37.600 pop culture. 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.959 In this episode on previously on, we got something very 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.680 exciting is our new Succession final season speed recaps Market Moves. 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:52.600 Oh in the airlock is Yellow Jackets season two, episode two, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.000 and you don't want to bet on those girls surviving 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:59.960 because they are acting up. It's all happening in the nutout. 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:02.920 Danielle is going to pitch us on a new character 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:04.600 in Yellowjacket season two. 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.880 And of course, if you want to jump around, check 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:12.039 the show notes for the time stamps coming up. Market Moves, 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:18.880 Succession the final season. First up, we're entering the previously 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:24.679 on to also enter Market Moves, our speed recap of 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.120 the final season of Succession. Folks, it's tough out there 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.920 a lot of chaos in the marketplace these days. Bonds, stocks, crypto, 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.119 it's all tanking. No one knows what's going on when 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.600 the market is punishing you. Those are red bottoms. This 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.759 is market moves. We open on the eve of Waste 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:46.560 Stars sale to the Swedish billionaire Lucas Mattson's Gojo and 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.440 Logan Roy, head of the Roy family. He's as cool 0:01:48.440 --> 0:01:52.040 as ever. He's excited. He can't wait for this new 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.840 era of ATN, and he's celebrating by taking the kids 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.920 helicopter arrangements away from them and then going to eight 0:02:00.400 --> 0:02:04.720 to harangue everybody and make a hitlerresque speech about how 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:08.000 this is now a pirate ship. Logan then puts his 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.519 stamp on the up and coming new network, the new 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:17.120 Old ATN, by getting ready to Rosie install his girlfriend 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.520 slash assistant Carrie as an anchor, despite the fact that 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.440 she is testing terribly on a tape that is currently 0:02:24.480 --> 0:02:28.040 making the rounds all throughout the New York media space. 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.000 Our first segment, do not buy carry stock. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.280 Do not buy it. We are shorting carry stock. Our 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.960 first question, Daddy's home. Are we long or short on 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:45.360 Logan's ATM pirate ship era? You're pirates, all right? 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.440 He's saying fuck many times. He believes in it, but 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.040 it's clear that he's going full Fox News feel as 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:57.880 you it was Mudoc, but he literally says, we're gonna lie, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.519 we're gonna cheat, We're gonna say things other people will 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:04.080 not say. We're buyers, we're doing things illegally. It's going 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:06.760 for folks news. Carry is a big sign of that. 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.640 It's honestly gonna probably make him a ton of money. 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.920 So I'm saying bye bye bye. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.600 You know what I hate to say it. Listen this. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.959 You know there's a big movement these days in investing 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:28.160 towards investing according to your personal morals and political ideals. Obviously, 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.200 Logan Roy and the Roy family are antithetical to everything 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.760 I stand for. I'm buying. I'm big on this. I 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:39.400 think it's gonna be a massive, massive success, so fucking spicy. 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:43.120 They can't believe what we said. I love it. I'll 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.480 buy it. What about the kids, what are the kids 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.000 up to? Well, listen to the kids need that. They 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.480 need that Gojo money, they need that Gojo loot because 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:54.360 they just made a ten billion dollar bid for Pierce 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:59.120 Global Media aka PGM. Meanwhile, shiv Kenan Roman the Rebel 0:03:59.120 --> 0:04:02.520 Alliance are watching PGM, and I gotta say they find 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:05.520 it pretty fucking boring, Rosie. They don't like the product 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.840 that's currently on offer at PGM. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.400 They bought MSNBC and they're pissed about it. They didn't 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.280 even read it, they didn't watch it first. Also, I 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.000 just need to say, look, I was a hater of 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.960 their previous choice to make the hundred. It sounded terrible, 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:23.640 But you know what, I'm with Romulus on this one. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.599 Stick with the hundred. Do what you know, spend a 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.080 little bit of Daddy's money and do something that wasn't dangerous. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.320 Ten billion for this news. You don't know what to 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.920 do with it. It's gonna go terribly and you did it. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.120 It's the most expensive fuck you to your dad that anyone. 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.960 Has ever Absolutely, it's delicious. Again, we're waiting on that 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:46.839 Gojo sale money before they they can really get off 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.479 the hook for the ten billion for PGM. It's prefessorial. 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:53.600 It's boring. Watching it is like doing homework, and they 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.320 can't wait to get their hands on it. Shiv walks 0:04:57.360 --> 0:04:59.440 out of the PGM hate fest to take a red 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:02.280 hot phone from Sandy. This is the daughter of Sandy, 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.080 who is incapacitated and of course is partnered up with 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:11.039 Stewie Ken's old pal and they are saying, Hey, this 0:05:11.160 --> 0:05:13.880 Gojo sale. It's a little enterprise, isn't it. What do 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:17.200 we think about putting a squeeze on the old nuts 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:21.120 of mister Lucas Mattson. We squeeze those Swedish nuts and 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:22.880 we get a little bit more juice out of them. 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.600 What do you say about it? What do you say 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.000 about She was like, I love it. She goes she 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.839 kind of very very lightly, very softly pitches it to 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.120 Ken and Romulus, and they're not interested. They don't want 0:05:35.160 --> 0:05:37.880 to do that. They're very happy with the prices it 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:43.240 currently exists. Our second prompt, you hear about mcgreb. What 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:50.400 mcgreb and these nuts? How would you fix PGM? Ken 0:05:50.440 --> 0:05:55.839 says mcgreb East sub Saharan Africa, West sub Saharan Africa. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.720 We go Africa all the time. Would you watch that? 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.200 Would you, Jess? Would you watch that? Just like what 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:08.440 you talking about? How how would you fix PGM? 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.080 You got to fix them by just making it a 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:18.520 logan smear campaign. Every story is terrible ATM is terrible, 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:21.760 and you just make that your only goal. That's the 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.279 only you're gonna get those rate ends people are gonna watch. 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.400 Maybe you'll make some money, maybe you won't. But also 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.800 just need to note here, Ship is very open to 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.559 this offer because she's getting divorced from Tom. 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:38.440 That's right, she needs she needs it. Let's get into that. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.680 So Shiv discovers that her number one, pick number two, 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.719 pick number three, pick number four, pick number five, Top 0:06:47.120 --> 0:06:51.520 five favorite divorce lawyers in New York City picks have 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:57.599 been tied up by Tom on the advice of none 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.440 other than Logan Royce, shes own father. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:03.320 She says, she's got doing the same shit they eat 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.000 it to their mom. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.760 That's so brutal, absolutely brutal, looking down the barrel of 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.120 a divorce that might be a lot more expensive than 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:14.800 she was expecting. She needs that Gojo money to go up. 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:18.840 Quite a pickle that she finds herself in. I really 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.280 love the way that everybody is like there's really only 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.760 one decision, which is like sell or sell for more money, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:32.520 and yet everybody has their own drama going on such 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:37.360 that they can't help but backstab each other, even suddenly 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:39.920 constantly backstabbing each other. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.640 This episode, I think, actually cements what's so great about succession, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:47.800 which is every single character in this episode, apart from Greg, 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:51.000 who's just catching mad jokes as always, but like everyone 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.240 else has like a moment where you feel empathy for 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.160 them even though they're the fucking worst people on earth and. 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:58.160 That's terrible humans. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.160 Instantly they remind you why you should have no empathy 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:03.440 for them, and this episode is just full of that, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.760 because Shiv gets horribly fucked over. But Shiv and Tom 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:09.280 are so toxic. And also now you know Tom's comming 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.240 for everything because he's finally in Logan's pocket. So I 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:15.000 would be like, I understand Shiv. She needs more money. 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.400 She needs more than ten billion or whatever she was 0:08:17.400 --> 0:08:20.160 going to get because these idiots spent all that money 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:21.720 on their lively news channel. 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:29.680 I mean speaking of of Greg catching jokes. Oh, I 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:33.080 absolutely cackled at the scene where so Logan goes back 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.000 to ATM right and he gives a speech standing on 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.720 a stack of printer paper that mine of the people, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.120 Mine of the people, that you absolutely translated into the 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.040 original German, you know, and then marched towards Austria on 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.040 that speech and he then and he you know, it 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:55.360 puts in place basically a reign of terror where he's 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:59.760 micromanaging everyone like this big huge red eyeve saw on 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.839 that is looking at everything, including the pizza. He goes 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:04.120 into the break room. He's like, why is all this 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.600 fucking pizza here? And he gets on this but then 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.720 it turns out the pizza is a ruse so that 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:14.000 he can talk to Tom privately about Carrie's ye. 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.400 Can we also say he is standing in the center 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.920 of this room and he is checking how many emails 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:24.040 people send. He's complaining that they didn't just heat up 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.560 the pizza in the microwave, they bought new pizza. Can 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:32.679 we say, Ike Palmer, this was King Energy here, not 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.200 just Rupert Murdoch balls. But yeah, he really wants to 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.160 talk to Tom, who, by the way, Tom was the 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.439 one who lied to Logan and said the test tape 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:41.640 was good so that Terry. 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:41.920 Would go on. 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.600 I thought if Logan, I think he might be getting soft. 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.600 I think the kids might be onto something because Logan. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:51.840 I thought Logan was going to fire Tom and say, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.680 why did you make me look stupid? Why would you 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.280 say she was okay to go on if she wasn't. Instead, 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:58.839 he's like, you get rid of her. She needs to 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:01.400 be gone, and it's on you more. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.200 On that weakness and a bit, but I will say 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:05.680 I absolutely agree. Number one, he's trying to, you know, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:07.760 be the tough guy. Had given this big speech when 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.600 you know, it was not that long ago that he 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.200 was having spells of an undiagnosed nature and pissing his 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:17.240 fucking pants, unable to walk from the beach to the 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.720 house out in the Hampton's when they're out visiting. What's 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.600 his face? I I you know, he's he's trying to 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.840 portray strength here. But back to my original note about 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:32.160 about Greg catching jokes. You know, Uh, Logan is like, 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:37.040 what's pizza? There's already pizza here, we ordered, wore pizza. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:43.079 Greg is like, well, you know, be fair. There is uh, 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:45.480 you know, his crusted issues. There's a bit of a 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:56.240 song fact all right. Next uh uh Lucas mattson facetimes 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.280 Ken he has gotten new the kind of uh he's 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.240 you know, his ear to the street and he's got 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.559 gotten word that the kids might be trying to leverage 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.520 alongside Sandy and Stewie and get that price up. And 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:14.440 he says, listen, absolutely fucking not. If you try to 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:18.520 get more money out of me, I will pull out 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.800 of this deal and then you will all be fucked 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:22.520 because you will not get that money, and I will 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:23.160 be out of here. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:29.600 And I just want to say, Yeah, the absolute chaotic 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.640 energy of Kendall and Matson on the phone together, this 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.360 is the worst posible thing that could happen for everyone. 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:41.000 Two fucking idiots. Yeah, and Kendall is so consumed with 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.560 bitterness and getting one over with Logan. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:44.440 This is just the one. 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:46.960 He could literally go in and just back. He could 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:48.920 just go in and be real and be like, this 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:50.559 is what's going to happen. We need to keep the money. 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:52.800 But no, he keeps it to himself because he wants 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.200 to cause chaos. And he pretends, like you said, he 0:11:56.360 --> 0:12:00.199 backstabs Shiv. He backstabs Shift by pretending it's a good 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.440 idea and going along with her when really he is 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:06.840 intent on fucking his dad one more time, even though 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:10.480 he just made a ten billion dollar bid that he 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.480 wanted to be that high. Here's oh Kendall, I fucking 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:13.920 hate him. 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.920 There's can Both Kendall and Lucas have speak the language 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:23.360 of therapy and uh and they use that language then 0:12:23.400 --> 0:12:25.319 as a weapon, Like Lucas has a great you know 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:27.760 line here where he's like talking about pulling out of 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.280 the deal, and he says, listen, I'm coming across that's 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.240 coming across as aggressive. I know that's coding aggressive, but 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:35.480 I'm just I'm just telling the truth. That's you know, 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:37.040 I'm not being aggressive right now. This is how I 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.360 speak sometimes. And then Ken can't help but like drop 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:49.080 you know, numerous like references to his Buddhist meditation practice. Meanwhile, 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.160 Ken leaves that FaceTime smelling blood and he thinks, uh, oh, 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:58.160 we're onto something here. If Lucas is calling me in 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.760 a in a in a non aggressive of panic about 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:05.280 the price, I think we're onto something. I think we 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:09.319 should squeeze. And he decides to join forces with Sandy 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.360 and Steing that moment, sends a text to them says, 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.040 send me the send me the stats. He looks at 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.520 the stats and say, oh my, oh my god, we're 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.960 under price. We'ren't a value. What are we doing. Meanwhile, Logan, 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:23.000 also getting wind of this, is actually impressed by the kids. Squeeze, 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:29.000 but they've got some juice. They got some real fucking juice. Connor, meanwhile, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.920 whose marriage to Willa is falling apart before it even 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:36.880 begins Willa has fled her rehearsal dinner in a drunken panic. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:41.920 She is the bride and says, I need to be here. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:44.240 Yeah don't. I don't really they can. They could do 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:49.160 this without me, right. Connor, you know, is shaken to 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.920 the core, but he's putting on a good kind of facade. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 And he makes his siblings take him to a regular 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.480 person bar where guys work with their hands, and they 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:58.800 got sweat on their hands, and. 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:02.560 I like those guys. 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.040 I know that he wants to go to karaoke like 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:06.120 he's seen in the movies. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.600 Oh that line, this is what I mean. That is 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:14.440 a line that is delivered with so much sadness, like 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.520 I've seen it in the movies. And no one wants 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.440 to go with me, and you're like, oh, poor Cornor. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.240 And then you get more poor Connor as you go on, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.160 But then you remember he is like stalking Willer and 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.880 is just absolutely insane. 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:26.600 It's so funny. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.000 The karaoke bar showdown. I never saw it coming and 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:30.920 I couldn't be happier. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.880 Oh my god, and he sings a Leonard Cohen song. 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:37.880 Oh it's so depressing, which is just makes you want 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:42.440 to die and then Logan a true sign of Logan's 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.360 desperation and how m absolutely on his fucking knees in 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.680 a way like we have never seen before. 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:50.400 I know I was trying to work out the play, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.240 but I don't actually think it was a play. I 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:54.880 think the play was going there and being vulnerable. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:57.600 Here's my read on it. So Logan drags himself to 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.520 the karaoke club to apologize to the kids for cutting 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:03.720 them out of the family holding company and all the 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.480 various things he's done, and they're like, specifically, what are 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.160 you apologizing for? And the only thing he can come 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.560 up with is the helicopter thing from that day. 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.160 Yeah, Everyone's like, what about when you used to like 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.560 beat Roman? What about like ignoring on his whole life? 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:19.560 How about the fact that you gave Tom all of 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:21.200 Shiv's divorce lawyers? 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:25.720 And so they just absolutely they give it to him. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:31.320 They just pile on Logan and really humiliate him. Not 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:34.080 to mention Carrie, who I think that this is Carrie's idea. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.840 In my mind, my head canon is that Carrie has 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:40.640 been telling Logan, hey, be more open, be more vulnerable 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.080 with the kids, if anything, just pretend. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:44.520 Yea, because like a cynical level. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.640 It will watch yeah, on a cynical level, because it'll 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:48.640 disarm them and it'll just make everything easier. And so 0:15:48.680 --> 0:15:51.600 I think this is her move a little bit. And 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.960 it also gives you know, Carrie's of course there. And 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.320 this gives the kids an opportunity to absolutely ambased her 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.720 about her tape. They let her know that they've seen it. 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.040 That lets her know that, yes, this state is circulating 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:08.040 and she is humbled. We should say after that, here 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:13.480 is our third prompt? What's love? What's love got to 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:16.040 do it? What's love but a plant that lives on dead? 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:20.320 In sex? What's the most devastating humbling in this episode? 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.040 Is it Logan going to the karaoke club to tell 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.480 his kids is sorry? Willa walking out on her wedding rehearsal, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:29.600 and Cohn spying on her slash stalking her through his 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:36.200 phone or shives, inability to hire a divorce attorney, and 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:42.360 feeling grieved because the man who she told on their 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.720 wedding day that she wanted to have an open relationship 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:49.480 has somehow gotten the upper hand on her. Your thoughts, 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.600 what is the most devastating humbling? 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.560 I do think if we look at the players, and 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.080 we look at the landscape. It is Logan going to 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.240 a karaoke club to apologize. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:01.360 Connor wanted to be. 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.400 At the karaoke club, and he actually found a way 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.439 to trick and guilt his family into doing it, so 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:09.840 he won there in a small way, even though Willer 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.080 walked out. That's Connor's on Connor anyway, because he was 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:15.040 trying to force her into doing like a stunt wedding 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:17.600 to get his one percent in the polls. And you 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.240 know what, Shav and Tom, that's just their own fucked 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:23.160 up shit and he's gonna keep going on. But Logan apologizing, 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:26.359 first of all, never happens being in that room with 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.439 the like bisexual lighting and the kids are just fucking 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.880 roasting him, which, by the way, I think was part 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.400 of the reason he went, because he early is trying 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:38.520 to get people to roast him and his birthday party. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.439 He's like, please roast me, come on, come on, give me, 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:44.920 and he's missing that combative, toxic bullshit that he has 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:45.679 with his kids. 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:48.000 He missed her kids, He missed his kids. 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:53.000 And I think that combined with Kerry realizing that she 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:55.679 has as I think it's Roman who says it. He's like, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:00.320 congrats on having your betrayal cherry popped. Like she she 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.120 realizes that she is not special to Logan. She's glad 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.320 to be used and fucked over as much as. 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:07.359 They just the next one. You're just the You're just 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:12.119 the current girlfriend. That's all I agree with you. I 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:14.520 think it's Logan. We've never seen him on his knees 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.480 like this, We've never seen him without a card like, 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:18.560 he has no move. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.320 He hasn't, so they reject him. That's like the biggest thing. 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:23.600 It doesn't even walk. 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.840 And it doesn't even and recall, this is what why 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.000 this show is so genius. But partially is it's it's 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.719 it closes a loop if you're calling season one. Logan 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:38.440 takes Ken to uh I think a Vaulter meeting, and 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.080 you know, it's very acrimonious, and they agree on a price, 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:44.360 and then Logan and Can walk out, and Logan looks 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.480 at Kenna's and goes go back in there and ask 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.439 him for twenty million more dollars. You say, we're not 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.000 We're walking away unless he get more, and he's like, 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.480 what we just agreed on the they barely agree to it. 0:18:53.520 --> 0:18:55.040 He's like, go in there and fucking do it. Now 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.200 they're doing it to his dad. When when Shiv says, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.320 very simply just go in there and ask him for 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:06.360 more money, I mean, that's it's exactly They're exactly right. 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.280 It's exactly what Logan would have done if he still 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.680 had his fastball. And it's very very sad and also 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:17.760 satisfying to see Logan, who is a horrendous, horrendous person 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.359 and very generous when it comes to you know, only 0:19:21.400 --> 0:19:23.800 the generational trauma that he passes on to the children 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:29.240 in this position. It is very very satisfying. Final verdict. 0:19:30.480 --> 0:19:32.800 We see at the end of this episode that Roman, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.240 who has tried to say that the text that he 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.760 got from his dad was just merely a continuation of 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:42.800 the happy Birthday wishes that he that he texted their father, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:48.760 turns out that no, they're actually quite close still, and 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:53.399 that Roman, who has always been conflict averse and is 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.400 really the guy when Logan is like, roast me, that's 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.639 who he wants that Roman energy. Will Roman stay with 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:05.520 the rebel alliance or go back to suckle on the 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:12.440 uh somewhat dried up but still pendulous bosom of Big 0:20:12.520 --> 0:20:15.440 Daddy Logan, where will he Which way will he go? 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:18.879 I sadly think it's the latter. I think the reason 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.520 that that is saddest is because I truly believe, in 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.240 that moment, Logan would have made that same offer to 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.080 any of the kids who walked in. Like I am 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:31.879 sure he'd been sitting there and he's like, it's probably 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.080 going to be Roman, But if it was Ken, I'll 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.080 offer him the same thing. If it's Shiv, I'll offer 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.760 her the same thing. But with divorce lawyers, he knew 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:41.040 what to say in that moment. He had his cards back. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.199 I don't want you there, I need you. That's what 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:48.639 all of them want to hear. Yeah, and my dream 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:53.760 for this, my dream outcome is that Roman goes with 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:57.120 Logan but ends up fucking immobile. I think of all 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.400 of them, I feel like he deserves it the most 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:05.080 to really get that final fuck you a dog cage. 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.320 I think though, I think Kendall, I like your read. Look, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.679 Kendall knows the business and stuff. But I think the 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.320 reason Kendall's so excited about this is because I think 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.720 he believes that Mattison will walk and I think he 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:21.440 wants that ultimate final fuck off right, But I sadly 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:23.880 I think Roman's on team Logan for now. 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:30.200 I lean that way as well. I do think that 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:33.160 that Logan had that offer or similar kind of godfather 0:21:33.280 --> 0:21:35.840 offer in store for any of his kids. And his 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.439 offer it's very short on specifics, but it's basically like 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:44.000 run ATN at my side, you know, run it. 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.879 As you run it as the brutal hardcore roast me 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.920 like fuck you. It's also very smart because it basically 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.600 is like you can do the hundred, like you're still 0:21:54.600 --> 0:21:58.280 gonna get your own newsplace, but it's gonna be ATN. 0:21:58.600 --> 0:22:01.440 You know, you're gonna have to hide all the bodies. 0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:06.159 One more question because I was unsure about this, So 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:13.760 when HIV calls Sandy, she says, Hey, if that offer 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:16.920 that you made is still in play, I think I'm 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:20.560 willing to lobby the brothers to up the price. Now, 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:24.439 if I recall correctly, that offer was chief of staff 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.480 of the White House, Like, so is that what do 0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:27.800 you think that that's what it is? 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:34.720 Like? Fin or political? Yeah? I think it makes It's 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:38.560 very rare for Shiv is not a desperate person, so 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.840 I think it's more about weighing up. Well, I need 0:22:40.880 --> 0:22:43.040 more money. What else can I get from it? I 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:48.800 mean that would be so nightmarishly unhinged. And I mean, look, 0:22:49.200 --> 0:22:51.320