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Speaker 1: Succession the final season. First up, we're entering the previously
Speaker 1: on to also enter Market Moves, our speed recap of
Speaker 1: the final season of Succession. Folks, it's tough out there
Speaker 1: a lot of chaos in the marketplace these days. Bonds, stocks, crypto,
Speaker 1: it's all tanking. No one knows what's going on when
Speaker 1: the market is punishing you. Those are red bottoms. This
Speaker 1: is market moves. We open on the eve of Waste
Speaker 1: Stars sale to the Swedish billionaire Lucas Mattson's Gojo and
Speaker 1: Logan Roy, head of the Roy family. He's as cool
Speaker 1: as ever. He's excited. He can't wait for this new
Speaker 1: era of ATN, and he's celebrating by taking the kids
Speaker 1: helicopter arrangements away from them and then going to eight
Speaker 1: to harangue everybody and make a hitlerresque speech about how
Speaker 1: this is now a pirate ship. Logan then puts his
Speaker 1: stamp on the up and coming new network, the new
Speaker 1: Old ATN, by getting ready to Rosie install his girlfriend
Speaker 1: slash assistant Carrie as an anchor, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: she is testing terribly on a tape that is currently
Speaker 1: making the rounds all throughout the New York media space.
Speaker 2: Our first segment, do not buy carry stock.
Speaker 1: Do not buy it. We are shorting carry stock. Our
Speaker 1: first question, Daddy's home. Are we long or short on
Speaker 1: Logan's ATM pirate ship era? You're pirates, all right?
Speaker 2: He's saying fuck many times. He believes in it, but
Speaker 2: it's clear that he's going full Fox News feel as
Speaker 2: you it was Mudoc, but he literally says, we're gonna lie,
Speaker 2: we're gonna cheat, We're gonna say things other people will
Speaker 2: not say. We're buyers, we're doing things illegally. It's going
Speaker 2: for folks news. Carry is a big sign of that.
Speaker 2: It's honestly gonna probably make him a ton of money.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying bye bye bye.
Speaker 1: You know what I hate to say it. Listen this.
Speaker 1: You know there's a big movement these days in investing
Speaker 1: towards investing according to your personal morals and political ideals. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Logan Roy and the Roy family are antithetical to everything
Speaker 1: I stand for. I'm buying. I'm big on this. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a massive, massive success, so fucking spicy.
Speaker 1: They can't believe what we said. I love it. I'll
Speaker 1: buy it. What about the kids, what are the kids
Speaker 1: up to? Well, listen to the kids need that. They
Speaker 1: need that Gojo money, they need that Gojo loot because
Speaker 1: they just made a ten billion dollar bid for Pierce
Speaker 1: Global Media aka PGM. Meanwhile, shiv Kenan Roman the Rebel
Speaker 1: Alliance are watching PGM, and I gotta say they find
Speaker 1: it pretty fucking boring, Rosie. They don't like the product
Speaker 1: that's currently on offer at PGM.
Speaker 2: They bought MSNBC and they're pissed about it. They didn't
Speaker 2: even read it, they didn't watch it first. Also, I
Speaker 2: just need to say, look, I was a hater of
Speaker 2: their previous choice to make the hundred. It sounded terrible,
Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm with Romulus on this one.
Speaker 2: Stick with the hundred. Do what you know, spend a
Speaker 2: little bit of Daddy's money and do something that wasn't dangerous.
Speaker 2: Ten billion for this news. You don't know what to
Speaker 2: do with it. It's gonna go terribly and you did it.
Speaker 2: It's the most expensive fuck you to your dad that anyone.
Speaker 1: Has ever Absolutely, it's delicious. Again, we're waiting on that
Speaker 1: Gojo sale money before they they can really get off
Speaker 1: the hook for the ten billion for PGM. It's prefessorial.
Speaker 1: It's boring. Watching it is like doing homework, and they
Speaker 1: can't wait to get their hands on it. Shiv walks
Speaker 1: out of the PGM hate fest to take a red
Speaker 1: hot phone from Sandy. This is the daughter of Sandy,
Speaker 1: who is incapacitated and of course is partnered up with
Speaker 1: Stewie Ken's old pal and they are saying, Hey, this
Speaker 1: Gojo sale. It's a little enterprise, isn't it. What do
Speaker 1: we think about putting a squeeze on the old nuts
Speaker 1: of mister Lucas Mattson. We squeeze those Swedish nuts and
Speaker 1: we get a little bit more juice out of them.
Speaker 1: What do you say about it? What do you say
Speaker 1: about She was like, I love it. She goes she
Speaker 1: kind of very very lightly, very softly pitches it to
Speaker 1: Ken and Romulus, and they're not interested. They don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. They're very happy with the prices it
Speaker 1: currently exists. Our second prompt, you hear about mcgreb. What
Speaker 1: mcgreb and these nuts? How would you fix PGM? Ken
Speaker 1: says mcgreb East sub Saharan Africa, West sub Saharan Africa.
Speaker 1: We go Africa all the time. Would you watch that?
Speaker 1: Would you, Jess? Would you watch that? Just like what
Speaker 1: you talking about? How how would you fix PGM?
Speaker 2: You got to fix them by just making it a
Speaker 2: logan smear campaign. Every story is terrible ATM is terrible,
Speaker 2: and you just make that your only goal. That's the
Speaker 2: only you're gonna get those rate ends people are gonna watch.
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll make some money, maybe you won't. But also
Speaker 2: just need to note here, Ship is very open to
Speaker 2: this offer because she's getting divorced from Tom.
Speaker 1: That's right, she needs she needs it. Let's get into that.
Speaker 1: So Shiv discovers that her number one, pick number two,
Speaker 1: pick number three, pick number four, pick number five, Top
Speaker 1: five favorite divorce lawyers in New York City picks have
Speaker 1: been tied up by Tom on the advice of none
Speaker 1: other than Logan Royce, shes own father.
Speaker 2: She says, she's got doing the same shit they eat
Speaker 2: it to their mom.
Speaker 1: That's so brutal, absolutely brutal, looking down the barrel of
Speaker 1: a divorce that might be a lot more expensive than
Speaker 1: she was expecting. She needs that Gojo money to go up.
Speaker 1: Quite a pickle that she finds herself in. I really
Speaker 1: love the way that everybody is like there's really only
Speaker 1: one decision, which is like sell or sell for more money,
Speaker 1: and yet everybody has their own drama going on such
Speaker 1: that they can't help but backstab each other, even suddenly
Speaker 1: constantly backstabbing each other.
Speaker 2: This episode, I think, actually cements what's so great about succession,
Speaker 2: which is every single character in this episode, apart from Greg,
Speaker 2: who's just catching mad jokes as always, but like everyone
Speaker 2: else has like a moment where you feel empathy for
Speaker 2: them even though they're the fucking worst people on earth and.
Speaker 1: That's terrible humans.
Speaker 2: Instantly they remind you why you should have no empathy
Speaker 2: for them, and this episode is just full of that,
Speaker 2: because Shiv gets horribly fucked over. But Shiv and Tom
Speaker 2: are so toxic. And also now you know Tom's comming
Speaker 2: for everything because he's finally in Logan's pocket. So I
Speaker 2: would be like, I understand Shiv. She needs more money.
Speaker 2: She needs more than ten billion or whatever she was
Speaker 2: going to get because these idiots spent all that money
Speaker 2: on their lively news channel.
Speaker 1: I mean speaking of of Greg catching jokes. Oh, I
Speaker 1: absolutely cackled at the scene where so Logan goes back
Speaker 1: to ATM right and he gives a speech standing on
Speaker 1: a stack of printer paper that mine of the people,
Speaker 1: Mine of the people, that you absolutely translated into the
Speaker 1: original German, you know, and then marched towards Austria on
Speaker 1: that speech and he then and he you know, it
Speaker 1: puts in place basically a reign of terror where he's
Speaker 1: micromanaging everyone like this big huge red eyeve saw on
Speaker 1: that is looking at everything, including the pizza. He goes
Speaker 1: into the break room. He's like, why is all this
Speaker 1: fucking pizza here? And he gets on this but then
Speaker 1: it turns out the pizza is a ruse so that
Speaker 1: he can talk to Tom privately about Carrie's ye.
Speaker 2: Can we also say he is standing in the center
Speaker 2: of this room and he is checking how many emails
Speaker 2: people send. He's complaining that they didn't just heat up
Speaker 2: the pizza in the microwave, they bought new pizza. Can
Speaker 2: we say, Ike Palmer, this was King Energy here, not
Speaker 2: just Rupert Murdoch balls. But yeah, he really wants to
Speaker 2: talk to Tom, who, by the way, Tom was the
Speaker 2: one who lied to Logan and said the test tape
Speaker 2: was good so that Terry.
Speaker 1: Would go on.
Speaker 2: I thought if Logan, I think he might be getting soft.
Speaker 2: I think the kids might be onto something because Logan.
Speaker 2: I thought Logan was going to fire Tom and say,
Speaker 2: why did you make me look stupid? Why would you
Speaker 2: say she was okay to go on if she wasn't. Instead,
Speaker 2: he's like, you get rid of her. She needs to
Speaker 2: be gone, and it's on you more.
Speaker 1: On that weakness and a bit, but I will say
Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. Number one, he's trying to, you know,
Speaker 1: be the tough guy. Had given this big speech when
Speaker 1: you know, it was not that long ago that he
Speaker 1: was having spells of an undiagnosed nature and pissing his
Speaker 1: fucking pants, unable to walk from the beach to the
Speaker 1: house out in the Hampton's when they're out visiting. What's
Speaker 1: his face? I I you know, he's he's trying to
Speaker 1: portray strength here. But back to my original note about
Speaker 1: about Greg catching jokes. You know, Uh, Logan is like,
Speaker 1: what's pizza? There's already pizza here, we ordered, wore pizza.
Speaker 1: Greg is like, well, you know, be fair. There is uh,
Speaker 1: you know, his crusted issues. There's a bit of a
Speaker 1: song fact all right. Next uh uh Lucas mattson facetimes
Speaker 1: Ken he has gotten new the kind of uh he's
Speaker 1: you know, his ear to the street and he's got
Speaker 1: gotten word that the kids might be trying to leverage
Speaker 1: alongside Sandy and Stewie and get that price up. And
Speaker 1: he says, listen, absolutely fucking not. If you try to
Speaker 1: get more money out of me, I will pull out
Speaker 1: of this deal and then you will all be fucked
Speaker 1: because you will not get that money, and I will
Speaker 1: be out of here.
Speaker 2: And I just want to say, Yeah, the absolute chaotic
Speaker 2: energy of Kendall and Matson on the phone together, this
Speaker 2: is the worst posible thing that could happen for everyone.
Speaker 2: Two fucking idiots. Yeah, and Kendall is so consumed with
Speaker 2: bitterness and getting one over with Logan.
Speaker 1: This is just the one.
Speaker 2: He could literally go in and just back. He could
Speaker 2: just go in and be real and be like, this
Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. We need to keep the money.
Speaker 2: But no, he keeps it to himself because he wants
Speaker 2: to cause chaos. And he pretends, like you said, he
Speaker 2: backstabs Shiv. He backstabs Shift by pretending it's a good
Speaker 2: idea and going along with her when really he is
Speaker 2: intent on fucking his dad one more time, even though
Speaker 2: he just made a ten billion dollar bid that he
Speaker 2: wanted to be that high. Here's oh Kendall, I fucking
Speaker 2: hate him.
Speaker 1: There's can Both Kendall and Lucas have speak the language
Speaker 1: of therapy and uh and they use that language then
Speaker 1: as a weapon, Like Lucas has a great you know
Speaker 1: line here where he's like talking about pulling out of
Speaker 1: the deal, and he says, listen, I'm coming across that's
Speaker 1: coming across as aggressive. I know that's coding aggressive, but
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just telling the truth. That's you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not being aggressive right now. This is how I
Speaker 1: speak sometimes. And then Ken can't help but like drop
Speaker 1: you know, numerous like references to his Buddhist meditation practice. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Ken leaves that FaceTime smelling blood and he thinks, uh, oh,
Speaker 1: we're onto something here. If Lucas is calling me in
Speaker 1: a in a in a non aggressive of panic about
Speaker 1: the price, I think we're onto something. I think we
Speaker 1: should squeeze. And he decides to join forces with Sandy
Speaker 1: and Steing that moment, sends a text to them says,
Speaker 1: send me the send me the stats. He looks at
Speaker 1: the stats and say, oh my, oh my god, we're
Speaker 1: under price. We'ren't a value. What are we doing. Meanwhile, Logan,
Speaker 1: also getting wind of this, is actually impressed by the kids. Squeeze,
Speaker 1: but they've got some juice. They got some real fucking juice. Connor, meanwhile,
Speaker 1: whose marriage to Willa is falling apart before it even
Speaker 1: begins Willa has fled her rehearsal dinner in a drunken panic.
Speaker 1: She is the bride and says, I need to be here.
Speaker 1: Yeah don't. I don't really they can. They could do
Speaker 1: this without me, right. Connor, you know, is shaken to
Speaker 1: the core, but he's putting on a good kind of facade.
Speaker 1: And he makes his siblings take him to a regular
Speaker 1: person bar where guys work with their hands, and they
Speaker 1: got sweat on their hands, and.
Speaker 2: I like those guys.
Speaker 1: I know that he wants to go to karaoke like
Speaker 1: he's seen in the movies.
Speaker 2: Oh that line, this is what I mean. That is
Speaker 2: a line that is delivered with so much sadness, like
Speaker 2: I've seen it in the movies. And no one wants
Speaker 2: to go with me, and you're like, oh, poor Cornor.
Speaker 2: And then you get more poor Connor as you go on,
Speaker 2: But then you remember he is like stalking Willer and
Speaker 2: is just absolutely insane.
Speaker 1: It's so funny.
Speaker 2: The karaoke bar showdown. I never saw it coming and
Speaker 2: I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and he sings a Leonard Cohen song.
Speaker 1: Oh it's so depressing, which is just makes you want
Speaker 1: to die and then Logan a true sign of Logan's
Speaker 1: desperation and how m absolutely on his fucking knees in
Speaker 1: a way like we have never seen before.
Speaker 2: I know I was trying to work out the play,
Speaker 2: but I don't actually think it was a play. I
Speaker 2: think the play was going there and being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Here's my read on it. So Logan drags himself to
Speaker 1: the karaoke club to apologize to the kids for cutting
Speaker 1: them out of the family holding company and all the
Speaker 1: various things he's done, and they're like, specifically, what are
Speaker 1: you apologizing for? And the only thing he can come
Speaker 1: up with is the helicopter thing from that day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Everyone's like, what about when you used to like
Speaker 2: beat Roman? What about like ignoring on his whole life?
Speaker 2: How about the fact that you gave Tom all of
Speaker 2: Shiv's divorce lawyers?
Speaker 1: And so they just absolutely they give it to him.
Speaker 1: They just pile on Logan and really humiliate him. Not
Speaker 1: to mention Carrie, who I think that this is Carrie's idea.
Speaker 1: In my mind, my head canon is that Carrie has
Speaker 1: been telling Logan, hey, be more open, be more vulnerable
Speaker 1: with the kids, if anything, just pretend.
Speaker 2: Yea, because like a cynical level.
Speaker 1: It will watch yeah, on a cynical level, because it'll
Speaker 1: disarm them and it'll just make everything easier. And so
Speaker 1: I think this is her move a little bit. And
Speaker 1: it also gives you know, Carrie's of course there. And
Speaker 1: this gives the kids an opportunity to absolutely ambased her
Speaker 1: about her tape. They let her know that they've seen it.
Speaker 1: That lets her know that, yes, this state is circulating
Speaker 1: and she is humbled. We should say after that, here
Speaker 1: is our third prompt? What's love? What's love got to
Speaker 1: do it? What's love but a plant that lives on dead?
Speaker 1: In sex? What's the most devastating humbling in this episode?
Speaker 1: Is it Logan going to the karaoke club to tell
Speaker 1: his kids is sorry? Willa walking out on her wedding rehearsal,
Speaker 1: and Cohn spying on her slash stalking her through his
Speaker 1: phone or shives, inability to hire a divorce attorney, and
Speaker 1: feeling grieved because the man who she told on their
Speaker 1: wedding day that she wanted to have an open relationship
Speaker 1: has somehow gotten the upper hand on her. Your thoughts,
Speaker 1: what is the most devastating humbling?
Speaker 2: I do think if we look at the players, and
Speaker 2: we look at the landscape. It is Logan going to
Speaker 2: a karaoke club to apologize.
Speaker 1: Connor wanted to be.
Speaker 2: At the karaoke club, and he actually found a way
Speaker 2: to trick and guilt his family into doing it, so
Speaker 2: he won there in a small way, even though Willer
Speaker 2: walked out. That's Connor's on Connor anyway, because he was
Speaker 2: trying to force her into doing like a stunt wedding
Speaker 2: to get his one percent in the polls. And you
Speaker 2: know what, Shav and Tom, that's just their own fucked
Speaker 2: up shit and he's gonna keep going on. But Logan apologizing,
Speaker 2: first of all, never happens being in that room with
Speaker 2: the like bisexual lighting and the kids are just fucking
Speaker 2: roasting him, which, by the way, I think was part
Speaker 2: of the reason he went, because he early is trying
Speaker 2: to get people to roast him and his birthday party.
Speaker 2: He's like, please roast me, come on, come on, give me,
Speaker 2: and he's missing that combative, toxic bullshit that he has
Speaker 2: with his kids.
Speaker 1: He missed her kids, He missed his kids.
Speaker 2: And I think that combined with Kerry realizing that she
Speaker 2: has as I think it's Roman who says it. He's like,
Speaker 2: congrats on having your betrayal cherry popped. Like she she
Speaker 2: realizes that she is not special to Logan. She's glad
Speaker 2: to be used and fucked over as much as.
Speaker 1: They just the next one. You're just the You're just
Speaker 1: the current girlfriend. That's all I agree with you. I
Speaker 1: think it's Logan. We've never seen him on his knees
Speaker 1: like this, We've never seen him without a card like,
Speaker 1: he has no move.
Speaker 2: He hasn't, so they reject him. That's like the biggest thing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't even walk.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even and recall, this is what why
Speaker 1: this show is so genius. But partially is it's it's
Speaker 1: it closes a loop if you're calling season one. Logan
Speaker 1: takes Ken to uh I think a Vaulter meeting, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's very acrimonious, and they agree on a price,
Speaker 1: and then Logan and Can walk out, and Logan looks
Speaker 1: at Kenna's and goes go back in there and ask
Speaker 1: him for twenty million more dollars. You say, we're not
Speaker 1: We're walking away unless he get more, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what we just agreed on the they barely agree to it.
Speaker 1: He's like, go in there and fucking do it. Now
Speaker 1: they're doing it to his dad. When when Shiv says,
Speaker 1: very simply just go in there and ask him for
Speaker 1: more money, I mean, that's it's exactly They're exactly right.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what Logan would have done if he still
Speaker 1: had his fastball. And it's very very sad and also
Speaker 1: satisfying to see Logan, who is a horrendous, horrendous person
Speaker 1: and very generous when it comes to you know, only
Speaker 1: the generational trauma that he passes on to the children
Speaker 1: in this position. It is very very satisfying. Final verdict.
Speaker 1: We see at the end of this episode that Roman,
Speaker 1: who has tried to say that the text that he
Speaker 1: got from his dad was just merely a continuation of
Speaker 1: the happy Birthday wishes that he that he texted their father,
Speaker 1: turns out that no, they're actually quite close still, and
Speaker 1: that Roman, who has always been conflict averse and is
Speaker 1: really the guy when Logan is like, roast me, that's
Speaker 1: who he wants that Roman energy. Will Roman stay with
Speaker 1: the rebel alliance or go back to suckle on the
Speaker 1: uh somewhat dried up but still pendulous bosom of Big
Speaker 1: Daddy Logan, where will he Which way will he go?
Speaker 2: I sadly think it's the latter. I think the reason
Speaker 2: that that is saddest is because I truly believe, in
Speaker 2: that moment, Logan would have made that same offer to
Speaker 2: any of the kids who walked in. Like I am
Speaker 2: sure he'd been sitting there and he's like, it's probably
Speaker 2: going to be Roman, But if it was Ken, I'll
Speaker 2: offer him the same thing. If it's Shiv, I'll offer
Speaker 2: her the same thing. But with divorce lawyers, he knew
Speaker 2: what to say in that moment. He had his cards back.
Speaker 2: I don't want you there, I need you. That's what
Speaker 2: all of them want to hear. Yeah, and my dream
Speaker 2: for this, my dream outcome is that Roman goes with
Speaker 2: Logan but ends up fucking immobile. I think of all
Speaker 2: of them, I feel like he deserves it the most
Speaker 2: to really get that final fuck you a dog cage.
Speaker 2: I think though, I think Kendall, I like your read. Look,
Speaker 2: Kendall knows the business and stuff. But I think the
Speaker 2: reason Kendall's so excited about this is because I think
Speaker 2: he believes that Mattison will walk and I think he
Speaker 2: wants that ultimate final fuck off right, But I sadly
Speaker 2: I think Roman's on team Logan for now.
Speaker 1: I lean that way as well. I do think that
Speaker 1: that Logan had that offer or similar kind of godfather
Speaker 1: offer in store for any of his kids. And his
Speaker 1: offer it's very short on specifics, but it's basically like
Speaker 1: run ATN at my side, you know, run it.
Speaker 2: As you run it as the brutal hardcore roast me
Speaker 2: like fuck you. It's also very smart because it basically
Speaker 2: is like you can do the hundred, like you're still
Speaker 2: gonna get your own newsplace, but it's gonna be ATN.
Speaker 2: You know, you're gonna have to hide all the bodies.
Speaker 1: One more question because I was unsure about this, So
Speaker 1: when HIV calls Sandy, she says, Hey, if that offer
Speaker 1: that you made is still in play, I think I'm
Speaker 1: willing to lobby the brothers to up the price. Now,
Speaker 1: if I recall correctly, that offer was chief of staff
Speaker 1: of the White House, Like, so is that what do
Speaker 1: you think that that's what it is?
Speaker 2: Like? Fin or political? Yeah? I think it makes It's
Speaker 2: very rare for Shiv is not a desperate person, so
Speaker 2: I think it's more about weighing up. Well, I need
Speaker 2: more money. What else can I get from it? I
Speaker 2: mean that would be so nightmarishly unhinged. And I mean, look,
Speaker 2: this is I'm going to make a prediction. You know,
Speaker 2: don't bet your money on it. But I think I
Speaker 2: can see from these first two episodes ATM Logan wants
Speaker 2: to make it successful. We have Cornor and politics. I
Speaker 2: think we can see why this kind of horrific nightmare
Speaker 2: is gonna lead. So Shiv also being in that political
Speaker 2: space would make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna be continuing to cover the Gojo merger
Speaker 1: the latest ongoing news at ATN the beleaguered PGM network.
Speaker 1: Right here on market moves up next Yellowjackets. We're stepping
Speaker 1: out of the airlock for an enchanted forest feast yum
Speaker 1: for season two, episode two of Yellow Jackets on the
Speaker 1: Belager Show type network.
Speaker 2: It's belieger, but it's doing great.
Speaker 1: It's really what the episode man. This series continues to
Speaker 1: be allowed to dig into. This episode is titled Edible
Speaker 1: Complex ha ha good pun, written by Jonathan Lisco and
Speaker 1: directed by Ben Semenov.
Speaker 2: We're back in the meat shed and things are getting
Speaker 2: even weirder. It's cold, winter's here and Jackie is straight
Speaker 2: up taunting Shana. She's walking around, She's representing Shanna's fractured
Speaker 2: psyche while saying, hey, there's no food.
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: You got a baby.
Speaker 1: It's very, very troubling.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly troubling. And Shawna is struggling. Yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 2: the rest of the survivors are cooking dinner which is
Speaker 2: not yet human and they're sort of wondering about Shanna's
Speaker 2: mental health, which I feel like should have probably happened before.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, we get an insight into why
Speaker 2: they haven't done anything yet, which is Lotty insists that
Speaker 2: the group just need to like leave her be. She's
Speaker 2: still mourning. But Ty and Natalie are like, bro, She's
Speaker 2: in there every night, freezing to death, talking to her
Speaker 2: best friend in the meat shed, like we need to
Speaker 2: do something. And it's quickly becoming clear that Tye and
Speaker 2: Natalie are sort of becoming like the parents of the group.
Speaker 2: They're in charge of what people eat, where they poop.
Speaker 2: There's a big poop argument this episode.
Speaker 1: Don't poop in in any kind of vessel and leave
Speaker 1: it in the cavs.
Speaker 2: By the way, somebody in our Discord pointed this out,
Speaker 2: but poop Gate it was probably Tie. I believe this.
Speaker 2: It was probably nighttime Tie.
Speaker 1: I think it was nighttime Tie as well, although like
Speaker 1: did she here's the question did she do it in
Speaker 1: her room with Van and then bring it down?
Speaker 2: Where did she pop it on the way in the
Speaker 2: middle of the room, And it's obvious. It's really interesting
Speaker 2: because it shows that there's like this nighttime Tie. She's dangerous,
Speaker 2: and Tye and Nat are like getting very sick of
Speaker 2: kind of the rule breaking girls who don't really seem
Speaker 2: to understand how hard it is to survive and almost
Speaker 2: kind of seem like they're still on vac vacation while
Speaker 2: like Tis trying not to kill them all at night,
Speaker 2: and NAT's trying not to die while hunting them food
Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to exist. Nat and Tie's surrogate child, Sawna,
Speaker 2: sadly is still in the meat shed. Nobody went to
Speaker 2: get her, which is.
Speaker 1: Where it gets So this is so disturbing right now.
Speaker 1: Where this goes probably one of the.
Speaker 2: Most powerful and scary moments from any of the Cold opens.
Speaker 2: So Seanna is in the meat shed and Jackie encourages
Speaker 2: her to braid the hair of her dead corpse, because
Speaker 2: if she braids her hair, no one will see that.
Speaker 2: Seagal tracks weird, but sure, and as that begins to happen,
Speaker 2: they're having so much fun reminiscing about all these fun
Speaker 2: times that Jackie's makeup box miraculously appears and Jackie's like, oh,
Speaker 2: do my makeup, Please do my makeup, So Shauna obliges.
Speaker 2: And while Jackie looks alive in her memory, it is
Speaker 2: not creepy, but once you see her dead body, it
Speaker 2: is very creepy.
Speaker 1: It's extremely creepy. And I don't remember who said this,
Speaker 1: which the girls said this in the previous episode, but
Speaker 1: basically called shawna Norman beats and that's this is purely
Speaker 1: legitimately what Norman beats.
Speaker 2: Literally, And not only that, but Shauna goes one step
Speaker 2: further because in a very very very very very good scene,
Speaker 2: I mean, this show is just so good, but Jackie
Speaker 2: gets a knife and starts to cut away at her.
Speaker 2: She's like, come on, you're running out of food. Don't
Speaker 2: I look delicious? And Seawana's like stop it, and Jackie says, well,
Speaker 2: you're the one holding the knife, and obviously it's just Shawna.
Speaker 2: They're cutting up her dead body of her friend. It's
Speaker 2: very gross and terrifying and cut of those awesomelyan nineties credits.
Speaker 2: And guess who's back. We're always harsh to I feel
Speaker 2: like today she brings she's getting just one vaguely redemptive thing.
Speaker 2: But Callie's back. Guess what. She's still the worst. She's
Speaker 2: dealing with the fact her parents almost certainly killed Adam
Speaker 2: by getting high with her boyfriend, who she then immediately
Speaker 2: dumps because he offers to make her chocolate chip pancakes
Speaker 2: or his mom offers to make her chocolate pancakes.
Speaker 1: I say, take the win, Like, why does that creates?
Speaker 1: Then do it?
Speaker 2: She's literally like, my parents don't care about me, blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. Everything's terrible. And then you have your boyfriend
Speaker 2: who's like, well, my mom does care about you and
Speaker 2: would like to make you a delicious breakfast, and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm breaking up with you. Fuck you. So still the worst. Honestly,
Speaker 2: at this point, Callie probably could have done with some
Speaker 2: time in the wilderness to teach her how to behave
Speaker 2: a little bit better.
Speaker 1: She would have become a cult leader. I think, oh, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: she does.
Speaker 2: Have big Shora energy. I'm not gonna lie. I think
Speaker 2: that's why she has so much beef with her mum
Speaker 2: is because she's actually really similar to her. And back
Speaker 2: in the nineties, Van has to stalk nighttime Tie, who
Speaker 2: has broken out of her ropes and essentially almost sleepwalks
Speaker 2: off the edge of.
Speaker 1: A celles cliff. Step brother's sleep walking towards the edge of.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, that's a good call, and it is like
Speaker 2: she's going off that cliff if but luckily she's going
Speaker 2: That has to happen.
Speaker 1: She has a she has a vision, she is being
Speaker 1: led to the cliff. She sees, Now this is the nineties, right,
Speaker 1: and she sees like an anime version of Vincent from
Speaker 1: pulp fiction.
Speaker 2: The only way I would describe this, Yes, now if
Speaker 2: so wondering who anime Vincent pulp fiction is. If you
Speaker 2: remember in the first season, Tie had all these memories
Speaker 2: of her grandma and her grandma used to see an
Speaker 2: eyeless man and this is the first time unless you
Speaker 2: go through at half speed of the crest sequence where
Speaker 2: you actually get that clip, you get to see him
Speaker 2: again here. So it's very creepy and uh, it almost
Speaker 2: leads Tied to a certain death, but Van stops her
Speaker 2: because Van's nearmortal gay who apparently can do anything and
Speaker 2: never dies, which we love and uh. But as the
Speaker 2: as they head back to the cabin, we see that
Speaker 2: the tree that Tie almost slept walked past over the
Speaker 2: edge of the cliff had the cult symbol dun dun
Speaker 2: dun't dun't dun. So it's probably there's some supernatural occurrences.
Speaker 1: It's there.
Speaker 2: It seems there's something that the girls are connecting to
Speaker 2: with this symbol lot He seems to think it's for protection,
Speaker 2: but it is clearly growing as a source of power,
Speaker 2: even if it's just through a group delusion. And talking
Speaker 2: of Lotty, Van is like, you should go to her
Speaker 2: for help. Remember when she gave Travis that bona vision
Speaker 2: And now he's chilling. He doesn't have panic attacks anymore,
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 1: Told he's only fine now. He just doesn't have any
Speaker 1: troubling thoughts.
Speaker 2: No, you'll never see that. You will see this episode.
Speaker 2: He doesn't have any problems. That didn't establish a strange
Speaker 2: connection between the two of them that you might not
Speaker 2: want for your girlfriend. But Ty refuses and she's like, no,
Speaker 2: fuck that. And you're not going to talk to Lotty
Speaker 2: about this either. And it's kind of clear you're seeing
Speaker 2: this chasm grow between that Nat and Tie and this
Speaker 2: kind of logical faction. And then Lottie, who's still blessing
Speaker 2: people all over the place, and she's blessing them when
Speaker 2: they go out to hunt, and she's you know, making
Speaker 2: blood tea, all kinds of shenanigans. Sadly, in the future,
Speaker 2: present day adult Tie is not really doing much better,
Speaker 2: and she's decided to fend off nighttime Tie. She's gonna
Speaker 2: go nightmare on Elm Street hashtag never SLEEPI never.
Speaker 1: Sleep, Ti philasophy, Never Sleep.
Speaker 2: She is drinking fifty coffees a day. They don't show it,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure she's also taken some caffeine pills. This
Speaker 2: is like, it's Alady Kruger one I want. And I'll
Speaker 2: tell you two things. Anyone who's seen those films know
Speaker 2: that that is only effective for so long. Plus anyone
Speaker 2: who has struggled with mental health issues knows sleep deprivation
Speaker 2: only makes things a million times worse. So this is
Speaker 2: a terrible idea, terrible idea, terrible idea, And I really
Speaker 2: wish she would just listen to a strange wife and
Speaker 2: get some help. I'm not quite sure why she hasn't
Speaker 2: done that yet. That's kind of a big question I
Speaker 2: have after this episode.
Speaker 1: I think I know, and I think it's because, you know,
Speaker 1: she she just entered into this very very high stress,
Speaker 1: very important job as a state senator from the great
Speaker 1: standard New Jersey. And I think when you're in that
Speaker 1: kind of dream job, high pressure, higher performing space, you know,
Speaker 1: the last thing that you want to do is admit that, Hey,
Speaker 1: I turn it to a different person. At night, I
Speaker 1: cut off ahead of dogs, I eat dirt, and I
Speaker 1: remember blood Sacrie and basically the only way I can
Speaker 1: cope is by uh, never, never, ever, ever, ever sleeping
Speaker 1: and don't worry. I can handle this. This is totally fine.
Speaker 1: Like I am going to be able to perform my
Speaker 1: duties as the state senator to the great state of
Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: I think you make many good points. I would say
Speaker 2: if I were in Tie's life, I would count with like,
Speaker 2: just go to the therapist and be like, I'm feeling
Speaker 2: a bit fucked up. I think I might be like
Speaker 2: seeing things. Can you keep it quiet? I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: to an expensive therapist. So nobody tells me. I feel
Speaker 2: like there's a compromise, but I appreciate her dedication to
Speaker 2: this absolutely terrible idea that is just pure night right
Speaker 2: elm Street, Just is that really your best ideas, best
Speaker 2: self care ideas from.
Speaker 1: Well and Well? We're going to get to how crazy
Speaker 1: it gets for Tie shortly. But I she can't she
Speaker 1: can't go another forty eight hours sleep at this rate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she can't go. She can't keep doing this, No, she
Speaker 1: can't physically, she she won't be able to continue doing.
Speaker 2: This unsustainable and the speaking of things that will get unsustainable,
Speaker 2: but this may see an end to this one particular
Speaker 2: kind of tragedy. Nat and Travis go off. They continue
Speaker 2: their search for Harvey that they're doing every day. They're
Speaker 2: not having any luck finding game. They kind of have
Speaker 2: a little argument because NAT's like, I'm not doing the
Speaker 2: blessing stuff anymore and Travis is like, nah, lot, he's tea.
Speaker 2: It's just a symbol like you've just got to be
Speaker 2: more open minded. They go off, and it turns out
Speaker 2: that Nat finds Travis's little brother, Harvey. She finds his
Speaker 2: bloody shorts in the wilderness, and it seems like, at
Speaker 2: least from this episode, Travis, while finding that very tragic,
Speaker 2: ends up accepting that Harvey is likely gone. And it's
Speaker 2: been two months in the snow, So where is he?
Speaker 1: Where is he? Like, if he's not dead, where there
Speaker 1: is a.
Speaker 2: You know, Stranger Things style Lost style kind of military
Speaker 2: base or something like that. It's not looking good for Harvey,
Speaker 2: and the shorts seemed to be like a momentary end
Speaker 2: to that quest. Lotty doesn't believe it, though, and we'll
Speaker 2: get to that in a little bit. And speaking of
Speaker 2: Loy in the modern day, cult's going strong. They're wearing
Speaker 2: their heliotrope robes. She's showing that around and she's like,
Speaker 2: it's not purple, it's heliotrope. And uh, they're not a cult, Jason,
Speaker 2: They're actually an intentional community.
Speaker 1: Did it? Yeah, that's right? Yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't
Speaker 1: mean to I didn't mean to call you.
Speaker 2: How could we do that? She also claims that they're
Speaker 2: not cult. Were never going to kidnap Nat until they
Speaker 2: broke into her room. May I just say they had
Speaker 2: and she was about to commit suicide, so they had
Speaker 2: to do it and there was no other choice and
Speaker 2: isn't she lucky that Lotty saved her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Suta meanwhile, is trying to kind of connect with Callie,
Speaker 2: and she's saying, like, do you want.
Speaker 1: To go to the mall?
Speaker 2: You want to run up some credit card debt on
Speaker 2: your dad? Honestly sounds great. Feel like Kelly should just
Speaker 2: embrace it. If you think your mum's a murderer, maybe
Speaker 2: nicer up a bit. I don't know, it seems silly
Speaker 2: to me. But Cop Kevin, who you may remember went
Speaker 2: to high school with the girls and was in a
Speaker 2: relationship with Nat, like a kind of a dodgy relationship
Speaker 2: with Nat. He turns up and lo and behold, he's
Speaker 2: got a lot of questions about Adam.
Speaker 1: Who uh, who's Adam? We have the fender bender and
Speaker 1: then he texted a couple of times and he's a
Speaker 1: lot a thousand.
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, we have to sort things out,
Speaker 2: and and it's here that we see I would say,
Speaker 2: probably more for her own self preservation, but it is
Speaker 2: a rare moment of solidarity from Kelly, who comes in
Speaker 2: and is like, Mom, we've got to like go to
Speaker 2: the mall. It's gonna shut so stop being talked to
Speaker 2: by this and the CoP's like, uh, okay, sure, Like
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go uh and Kevin, you know, cop
Speaker 2: Kevin off he goes. So obviously I have to say
Speaker 2: Misty was right. Shana is an idiot. She is like
Speaker 2: the most submerspicious person of all time. You can't just
Speaker 2: you could just spin my hair. And she's like, oh,
Speaker 2: do I need a lawyer? And he's like, oh, why
Speaker 2: would you need a lawyer? No, that's what you should
Speaker 2: have said first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me talk to let me have my lawyer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and honestly, don't answer any fucking questions. And you can't
Speaker 1: say I don't remember this guy and then be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had a very significant interaction regarding a car crash
Speaker 1: and we texted.
Speaker 2: I think he's like yeah, there's like hundreds of texts
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy just slipped my mind. How's he doing?
Speaker 1: Oh is he dead?
Speaker 2: Oh wait? Adam? Oh no, I missed that. That's so
Speaker 2: tragic for his family and the people who care about him,
Speaker 2: which definitely didn't include me, And well, Shawna's making the
Speaker 2: Adam situation like ten thousand times worst. Misty once again
Speaker 2: doing the work, trying to put these kind of snooping
Speaker 2: suspicions of some of her friends on the True Crime forum.
Speaker 2: She's trying to wipe those away. She's she's the only
Speaker 2: one who cares about it. She's the only one who's
Speaker 2: keeping up to date with it. And she's still the
Speaker 2: only one who cares about Nat. She's calling people. She's saying, Ty, Suuna, Nat,
Speaker 2: I think she has fallen, you know, a foot to
Speaker 2: foul play, Like we've got to help her, and these
Speaker 2: motherfuckers just are not answering the phone. TI kind of understandable.
Speaker 1: Ty's got a lot of her own thing going well,
Speaker 1: to be to be fair, and you know, Shauna is
Speaker 1: embroiled in the ongoing responsibilities that come from committing a
Speaker 1: murder and needing to cover it up. So that is
Speaker 1: an issue.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. She's just chilling, like she's trying to
Speaker 2: go to the mall. I'm like, go to you more
Speaker 2: with Misty.
Speaker 1: She might give you a tip on how she's not
Speaker 1: she's having sex in the apartment of her former murder victim.
Speaker 2: I like, she's terrible, and honestly, at this point, Misty
Speaker 2: is so good at dealing with this shit that I'm
Speaker 2: like wishing that she hadn't tried to poison people back
Speaker 2: in the nineties because she might have been some use
Speaker 2: with all the fucked up shit that's going on. Because
Speaker 2: guess what, no surprises here. Tie eventually finds the disgusting
Speaker 2: Norman Bates mother style corpse of Jackie, which they just
Speaker 2: the production design did so well on this because it
Speaker 2: is haunting.
Speaker 1: It is really really chilling. Like, if you know, I
Speaker 1: to be fair to Shauna, this is a very stressful situation.
Speaker 1: It was high stress before the plane crash. Now, Gil
Speaker 1: obviously she's got a lot of guil. She got dosed
Speaker 1: with hallucinogenics at least once, very badly, and who knows
Speaker 1: how many more times, and so you know she's under
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of strain. But this is like, if
Speaker 1: you saw this, you'd be like, holy shit, this is serious.
Speaker 1: This is really bad.
Speaker 2: Jasmine's void Brown places Tied us such a great job
Speaker 2: in this. She is just she is this perfect mix
Speaker 2: of just like absolute fucking rage and like deep deep
Speaker 2: heartbreak because she loves Shanna, but she's just like you
Speaker 2: cannot do this, Like and I've been telling everyone, I've
Speaker 2: been here, and I've been saying, please, she cannot do this,
Speaker 2: stop her from doing this, don't let her out there.
Speaker 2: This isn't okay, and everyone's just been like, nah, no,
Speaker 2: let's leave it. We don't want to have to deal
Speaker 2: with it right now. And obviously at this point, Ty
Speaker 2: is like fucking done and she's like, we're burning the body.
Speaker 2: Lotty does not argue, which I think could be argued
Speaker 2: as quite an important moment going forward, because Lotty's been
Speaker 2: very much on Shawna's side, and that's it. They're gonna
Speaker 2: build a pire, They're gonna burn Jackie, and everything's gonna
Speaker 2: go back to as normal as it can be for
Speaker 2: being in the wilderness, because you know, she won't be
Speaker 2: able to be normal Baits anymore. The body will be
Speaker 2: gone and they can just move on.
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's a solid plan, in.
Speaker 2: This solid plan exactly until it very much is not. Yea,
Speaker 2: and well, Ty is kind of being the logical force
Speaker 2: in the past. In the present, she's still drinking like
Speaker 2: five thousand coffees and she's pleasantly surprised to see that
Speaker 2: her lovely young son Sammy has arrived at her beautiful
Speaker 2: townhouse home to see their new dog, Steve. Love Steve.
Speaker 2: Glad he's still alive.
Speaker 1: Man, Steve, just keep thriving in a very tough situation.
Speaker 1: We're all pulling for you, Steve.
Speaker 2: Very proud of you, Steve, like we believe in you.
Speaker 2: We believe you can survive. So she calls her wife,
Speaker 2: which I actually have to say, good move. Ty response,
Speaker 2: you were there, that was quite responsible. She calls her wife.
Speaker 2: They the wife arrives at her house, which strangely the
Speaker 2: door has been chained and Ty has been asleep, and
Speaker 2: it seems a bit like, well, where's Sammy, and they
Speaker 2: they realized he left, and then in one of the
Speaker 2: best moments, the kind of most chilling moments of the episode,
Speaker 2: which is saying a lot for this episode, and her
Speaker 2: wife get a phone call from the school, and the
Speaker 2: school says, why was Sammy never picked up? And it
Speaker 2: turns out that Sammy was never in Ty's house and
Speaker 2: has been at school the whole time waiting for his
Speaker 2: mum to pick him up. And it is just absolutely
Speaker 2: got punch horrible to realize just how bad Tie is bugling.
Speaker 1: It's as bad as it gets. And I suspected from
Speaker 1: the first when he showed up that this was because
Speaker 1: he's just he's just there. Yeah, he just is there,
Speaker 1: and it just didn't sit right. And you know, for
Speaker 1: Ty's X, this must be really, really, really scary, and
Speaker 1: it only gets scarier from beer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's terrifying because they get this phone call
Speaker 2: and then dun't done in a hint that we might
Speaker 2: act be seeing nighttime tie in the daytime, ty gives
Speaker 2: this kind of inscrutable look and then just crashes her
Speaker 2: car into oncoming traffic with her wife in it. And
Speaker 2: it is There's been a lot of debate whether this
Speaker 2: is intentional or unintentional, but there's definitely a question there.
Speaker 2: This is not a sleep deprived crash. There was a
Speaker 2: moment where our choice was made to accelerate.
Speaker 1: I agree with this, and I have to say, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this in our previous recap. This idea
Speaker 1: that I have that there is some reason that Tyme
Speaker 1: can't get fired, like I feel like, you know, originally
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Lottie puts some sort of post hypnotic
Speaker 1: suggestion in and it's very you know, and is you know,
Speaker 1: wants an important ally in government or something like that.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not it, because Lottie doesn't unless she's a
Speaker 1: Lotty's role is Yeah, unless Lottie is playing a much
Speaker 1: more farious game than we suspect. I guess I'm leaning
Speaker 1: away from that now, but it still feels like whatever
Speaker 1: is going on, part of it is that it remains
Speaker 1: important for Tie to be in government, and for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: nighttime Tide really doesn't want anything having to do with
Speaker 1: her existence exposed because that would cause Tie daytimetime I
Speaker 1: have to step down. And I agree with the take
Speaker 1: that this seemed like a choice. Now, whether it's nighttime
Speaker 1: Tie or daytime Ties choice to drive into oncoming traffic
Speaker 1: and potentially kill her estranged wife in order to keep
Speaker 1: this secret. I don't know, but I think it's a choice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's choice down, But it feels like.
Speaker 2: It seems intentional and very It's a really creepy and
Speaker 2: sad moment that kind of lets you know how lost
Speaker 2: Tie is and how alone she is in this too.
Speaker 2: X Ray Vision will be back.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We get another great, really creepy moment sort of that
Speaker 2: follows this interaction, which is Misty Quickly good old serial
Speaker 2: killer Misty who yet somehow manages to be the hero
Speaker 2: of this show. Is working at the Old People's Home
Speaker 2: where she has inevitably killed many people. I have to
Speaker 2: just point that out. And she hears a strange new voice,
Speaker 2: and it's Elijah Wood, who we knew was going to
Speaker 2: be appearing, And it is her online Frenemie Walter. He
Speaker 2: has a very scary username, is using the names like
Speaker 2: putting the sick in forensics. So I'm sure these two
Speaker 2: are going to get on very well. But he's there
Speaker 2: basically scoping out Misty and leaves her a little spooky note.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for these two to get together. It
Speaker 1: feels like it's gonna have perfect casting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that Misty has been alone for a
Speaker 2: long time and has always been seeking out companionship. And also,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing we haven't really delved
Speaker 2: into yet. It was hinted at just before Adam was murdered.
Speaker 2: But there's got to be people out there who are
Speaker 2: obsessed with the Yellow Jackets, Like if you're a true
Speaker 2: crime not these people are like celebrities to you. So
Speaker 2: I do wonder if Walter will have that kind of
Speaker 2: interest where he's like a Yellow Jacket super fan.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, as a person who spends some time
Speaker 1: on Reddit, I think that he is all He's clearly
Speaker 1: alongside Misty all the way deep down in several rabbit holes.
Speaker 1: And yeah, it makes sense that the Yellow Jackets, their history,
Speaker 1: what happened in the wilderness is a rabbit hole for
Speaker 1: a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Completely. And we see Misty kind of realizing that
Speaker 2: she may have made a new friend in this strange
Speaker 2: kind of frenemy situation she has with Walter, and as
Speaker 2: she is doing that, her beloved bff Nat is being
Speaker 2: told a story by Lotti, which I'm very excited to
Speaker 2: talk about because I think it makes it poses a
Speaker 2: lot of questions. I agree, Nat obviously thinks Lotti killed
Speaker 2: Travis and stole this money, which is what the evidence
Speaker 2: points towards.
Speaker 1: But Lotty says, no, it does. It really does. Let's
Speaker 1: be real.
Speaker 2: That's that's the Ockham's Raiser version.
Speaker 1: Like it really does.
Speaker 2: But Lotty says, Travis called her asking for help. He
Speaker 2: said the wilderness is coming for him and the only
Speaker 2: way to fix it was to have a near death experience.
Speaker 2: Because in the woods, when Lotty smashed her head against
Speaker 2: the window and almost died, and when Van was definitely
Speaker 2: killed or almost killed by a wolf. Afterwards, they both
Speaker 2: claimed they had visions. So Lotty goes there and she says, no, please,
Speaker 2: I promise, like we're going to make this better. And
Speaker 2: she thinks that she she's calmed him down out of
Speaker 2: this sort of near psychotic break, but she wakes up
Speaker 2: and he has set up an extremely convoluted and dangerous
Speaker 2: auto asphyxiation.
Speaker 1: Ritual involving construction equipment. Yeah, we don't need that. It's unnecessary,
Speaker 1: my friend.
Speaker 2: It could have just been a doorknob and a rope.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't do this in any way.
Speaker 1: What do you want to do it.
Speaker 2: It's a bad idea. But if you are going to
Speaker 2: do it, not with your train.
Speaker 1: Not up some sweatpants. Literally, we don't need it. We
Speaker 1: don't need.
Speaker 2: Something. And Lotty claims that she sold Travis please don't
Speaker 2: do this, and he said, I'm going to do it
Speaker 2: whether you're here or not. So of course Loti did
Speaker 2: the responsible thing and was like, I'll press the button.
Speaker 2: I'll press the crane button so that when you lose consciousness,
Speaker 2: I'll bring you back and you'll have seen the wilderness
Speaker 2: and it will all be okay. Just unbelievably bad idea.
Speaker 2: Everyone here, I realize, is just up to Shenanigan's whether
Speaker 2: this was a lie from Lotti. It's a terrible lie
Speaker 2: if it was. If it's the truth, there's almost more
Speaker 2: embarrassing because you're just like, this is so much bad
Speaker 2: decision making, Like you are in charge of a wellness
Speaker 2: community and you're just allowing a man to do this,
Speaker 2: this terrible, terrible plan. So in this incredibly safe situation
Speaker 2: that the pair of them have created, just apparently Lotti
Speaker 2: tried to press the button to bring Travis back down
Speaker 2: after his unconscious asphyxiation experience, but the button got stuck.
Speaker 2: Now this is the big question. Do we believe that
Speaker 2: the button got stuck? Loti tells Nat it was a
Speaker 2: tragic accident, but we then see a different version of
Speaker 2: events that she does not share with lot with Nat,
Speaker 2: which include a magical gust of wind, the crane just
Speaker 2: going up and taking Travis, you know, fifteen twenty thirty
Speaker 2: forty feet into that, and even a supernatural ghost in
Speaker 2: the form of ex Yellow Jackets team member and faithful
Speaker 2: Christian who baptized Lotty Laura Lee. So there's just a
Speaker 2: lot going on here. What was your take on this situation?
Speaker 2: Where do you think the truth lies?
Speaker 1: I think that she is telling the truth but left
Speaker 1: out the part about the laur Le vision, which is real.
Speaker 1: I should also note that it seems that are Good
Speaker 1: from Lottie is a more powerful vasso constrictor than cialis
Speaker 1: or viagra, because not only is it the foulses of
Speaker 1: teenage boys who she's able to make rise like the dead,
Speaker 1: but it is also these cranes that they are right
Speaker 1: to go up. Everything anything that can go up when
Speaker 1: Larti is around, it goes on her weaving her spell,
Speaker 1: it will go up. And that is worth noting because
Speaker 1: again here again is another hint that maybe there is
Speaker 1: something supernatural going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're about to get as that very specific
Speaker 2: point that you have about the way things change in
Speaker 2: the environment of Lotty, whether it's wind or cranes or
Speaker 2: bonus or all kinds of things, becomes even more relevant
Speaker 2: as the episode kind of goes on. So in the wilderness,
Speaker 2: they're getting ready to burn Jackie's body, and the JV squad,
Speaker 2: I want to say, make a very good point. They're like,
Speaker 2: shouldn't we just take her clothes off because we need
Speaker 2: clothes and we're in the wilderness, and Sean is like,
Speaker 2: fuck you, you can't steal her clothes. I've been cutting
Speaker 2: chunks out of her body and eating her ear. But
Speaker 2: that's really cross in a line. And then we quickly,
Speaker 2: we interestingly skip to the present day where we get
Speaker 2: to see some big Shawna energy coming from Callie, who
Speaker 2: is in a bar with her friend, abandons her friend
Speaker 2: so she can chat to a mustachioed man at the bar,
Speaker 2: and you know she wants she's flirting with him, and
Speaker 2: she just spends two hours there just spilling her guts,
Speaker 2: telling him everything. And it is big Shawna behavior because
Speaker 2: guess what that man is a cop. He is investigating
Speaker 2: her mom with cop Kevin.
Speaker 1: Our good friend John Paul Reynolds. Drew Gardner from Search Party. Yes,
Speaker 1: it was so good.
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw him, I was like, this
Speaker 2: is immaculate, like star casting. Search Party is so good,
Speaker 2: and he is so good in it, and he just
Speaker 2: brings It's a different energy, but you still really get
Speaker 2: that similar kind of vibe and it's so good. I
Speaker 2: can't wait to see where this goes, because Callie obviously
Speaker 2: sees him as a potential romantic partner, and as Cop
Speaker 2: Kevin tells him, like, you can't just go around pretending
Speaker 2: to be undercover, like at some point you're just gonna
Speaker 2: be in this girl's house, like arresting her mum, Like, Yadi,
Speaker 2: where do you think this is going after?
Speaker 1: Honestly, with the way Cally is moving, having sex exactly
Speaker 1: with her daughter then smoking mirajuana.
Speaker 2: It's absolutely probably what's gonna happen. And also I love
Speaker 2: that this is just another character, is another morally gray
Speaker 2: like character who's obviously just gonna get completely swept up
Speaker 2: in this kind of chaos of Shawna's family. And it
Speaker 2: kind of blows my mind that from what we're hearing,
Speaker 2: from the way Cop Kevin approaches it and the way
Speaker 2: we see Cally approach it, it doesn't really seem like
Speaker 2: Sean has been in the radar of the police before,
Speaker 2: which blows my mind because she is, legitimately, let's put
Speaker 2: it in a polite way, she's a very troubled individual. Yes,
Speaker 2: and I believe that much of that trouble came from
Speaker 2: that time in the world, and and it is she
Speaker 2: who finally, you know, lights the pia and sets Jackie's
Speaker 2: body on fire.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this we are seeing now over
Speaker 1: the course of this season, just how troubled Shauna was.
Speaker 1: Now her adult life is certainly dramatic and messy. She's
Speaker 1: committed a murder, is her ongoing efforts to cover up
Speaker 1: that murder, YadA, YadA, YadA. But the rest outside the murders,
Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's just kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: adult drama and messiness. So I when or how did
Speaker 1: this kind of almost psychosis around around Jackie. When did
Speaker 1: it stop or even did it stop? And what things
Speaker 1: that modern day Jackie are doing or what people that
Speaker 1: modern day Jackie is interacting with are potentially not real
Speaker 1: because it feels like or even is mada day Shauna
Speaker 1: continue to speak with Jackie with a version of Jackie.
Speaker 2: I think this is a huge question because we get
Speaker 2: a hint even before Shawna kills Adam, we see her
Speaker 2: kill that bunny in her garden. I think there has
Speaker 2: always been a lingering effect of whatever she went through
Speaker 2: in the wilderness that has stayed there, and a tendency
Speaker 2: for violence that may have well been there before, because
Speaker 2: we saw even before Jackie died, Shawna was the one
Speaker 2: who was going to cut Travis's throat on the night
Speaker 2: of doom coming. So I love the idea that it
Speaker 2: really never stopped. She just got better at repressing it
Speaker 2: or hiding that side of herself. And I think you
Speaker 2: ask a great question about does Shawna still speak to Jackie?
Speaker 2: I think that could be such a cool can seat
Speaker 2: and a way to have an adult Jackie in the
Speaker 2: season if we reveal that at times of stress or
Speaker 2: maybe something that gets triggered as the show goes on,
Speaker 2: that we see adult Shauna talking to adult Jackie. I
Speaker 2: think that would just be so cool, especially because it's
Speaker 2: the only way we're going to get to see her,
Speaker 2: because Jackie is very much dead, and.
Speaker 1: Is she seeing anything just generally that no one else
Speaker 1: is seeing, Like what other things from her subconscious or
Speaker 1: manifesting is real? I just wonder if that's continuing and
Speaker 1: it feels like something we should try and keep track of.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really smart point, especially because until
Speaker 2: they had to dispose of his body at the end
Speaker 2: of last season, I did wonder whether Adam was like
Speaker 2: a figment of Shawna's imagination. You know, it was a
Speaker 2: very private, separate relationship that no one else knew about.
Speaker 2: And I was like, there's a version of this where
Speaker 2: the relationship isn't happening or it was a one time thing.
Speaker 2: But no, she killed him and then they chopped off
Speaker 2: up his body with a turkey electric turkey knife. Thanks Misty,
Speaker 2: that's a great idea. And speaking of delightful Misty, our
Speaker 2: secret hero of yellow Jackets, she gets a letter, which
Speaker 2: is of course in the most true crime lover courtship
Speaker 2: ever written in invisible ink. She has a UV torch
Speaker 2: and she reads it and she gets invited by her
Speaker 2: true crime buddy who stalked her to her work. So
Speaker 2: I would say, red flag, don't go, but I'm sure
Speaker 2: in Misty's eyes this is like green flag, definitely go.
Speaker 2: She is invited to play FBI agent with him. He
Speaker 2: wants her to pose as a federal agent so they
Speaker 2: can interview a man who is staying at the hotel
Speaker 2: with that sounds like it's going to go very badly
Speaker 2: for that man, but good for Misty. I'm sure that
Speaker 2: the two of them will have a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And now we've been waiting for it.
Speaker 1: I have to say I was not.
Speaker 2: Sure if it would happen this quickly.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would have. I thought they might
Speaker 1: work up to it. But that bodes, I think, very
Speaker 1: very well for the rest of the season. Now we're
Speaker 1: accelerating like this absolutely.
Speaker 2: So it's the evening of Jackie's cremation. Everyone has hidden
Speaker 2: themselves away in cozy corners of the cabin to wait
Speaker 2: until her body is you know, no more. And Nat
Speaker 2: and Travis start getting intimate. And while that seems very
Speaker 2: into it and is focused on Travis, who's obviously going
Speaker 2: through this great tragedy of losing his brother, Travis is
Speaker 2: just thinking about strange ghostly Lotty and it is very unsettling.
Speaker 2: It feels almost like some kind of astral projection. Lotty
Speaker 2: is watching over him in this kind of virginial white
Speaker 2: nightgown as they have sex, and it would have just
Speaker 2: been a kind of strangeh you know, bona vision oddity
Speaker 2: had it not directously. It directly leads into some very
Speaker 2: intentional and just brilliant cinematography of this almost sentient gust
Speaker 2: of wind flying through the woods.
Speaker 1: The wind again, the wind.
Speaker 2: Again, and it knocks a huge amount of snow onto
Speaker 2: Jackie's body, and as Nat and Travis continue to hook up,
Speaker 2: we see that the flames, rather than being you know,
Speaker 2: muted by the snow, instead begin to roar, and the
Speaker 2: snow pack on top of Jackie means that her body
Speaker 2: becomes beautifully steamed and baked. It's intentional.
Speaker 1: Instead of being devoured by the fire, we've got a nice,
Speaker 1: you know, a a wonderful slow roast in which Jackie
Speaker 1: is kind of slow cooked in her own juices.
Speaker 2: And the snow is keeping her moist. And essentially what
Speaker 2: we have here, I think it is fair to say
Speaker 2: the wilderness serves Jackie up perfectly cooked. To the girls,
Speaker 2: and they wake up and they all say what is that?
Speaker 2: And it's unclear. It's the early hours of the morning, probably,
Speaker 2: and they're all awakened by this delightful scent of roasting
Speaker 2: meat and they rush outside and they all sort of
Speaker 2: look at the body and wonder whether they're going to
Speaker 2: do what we all knew that they were going to
Speaker 2: eventually do. Seana touches her belly and she says, they
Speaker 2: want this too, talking about the baby, and then we
Speaker 2: get this really fun. It's great because This leans very
Speaker 2: much into the supernatural elements and the mythological elements of
Speaker 2: the show, but Kosher runner who wrote this episode, Nathan Lisco,
Speaker 2: has confirmed that this is more about delusion and allowing
Speaker 2: themselves to do what they need to do. So we
Speaker 2: get this great moment of all of the survivors in
Speaker 2: this Grecian finery, at this grape filled table full of
Speaker 2: dried fruits and delicious meats and wines, and as that
Speaker 2: version of them begins to touch the food on the table,
Speaker 2: we see Seana reach for her knife and cut a
Speaker 2: chunk out of Jackie and she eats it, and the
Speaker 2: feast begins.
Speaker 1: Coach Ben, who he's think he's he terrified, flees from
Speaker 1: the scene because he has to think I'm next.
Speaker 2: Oh, it has to be absolutely I have to say,
Speaker 2: if we're talking about strategy here, I think Coach Ben
Speaker 2: flopped this one hard. I know it's a scary sight.
Speaker 2: There's like twenty kids. They're just feasting on body. They're
Speaker 2: eating all the body. They got their faces in there,
Speaker 2: they're eating the organs, they're covered in meat. But you
Speaker 2: know what, if you're trying to survive, I would have
Speaker 2: just gone over there and like pretended to eat some
Speaker 2: pretendious might just been like, oh yeah, delicious, I'm going
Speaker 2: inside now, A bit tired, bit tired of these crutches,
Speaker 2: he just breezes. Also, will just say lots of interesting
Speaker 2: Ben character work because Ben didn't stop them from putting
Speaker 2: Jackie outside, which is basically when he lost the juice
Speaker 2: to tell them to do anything, so he has a
Speaker 2: lot of guilt around that. Then this episode, he doesn't
Speaker 2: do a good job of getting Seanna out of there,
Speaker 2: even though he is the adult you know, inverted commas,
Speaker 2: he is the oldest person there, and then he doesn't
Speaker 2: go over and say, oh my god, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: This is terrible, like that's your friend, which I do
Speaker 2: believe in that moment could arguably have woken them out
Speaker 2: of this kind of group delusion. Instead, he just hides.
Speaker 2: So it's very interesting. But yeah, I agree with you,
Speaker 2: he's next. I mean, odds on Ben surviving this without
Speaker 2: getting eaten have just dropped exponentially.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, because you know, when you're hungry
Speaker 1: and then you eat. I would imagine much like the
Speaker 1: like the act of sexual union, which this feast was
Speaker 1: definitely a metaphor for and has been a metaphor for
Speaker 1: over the course of this series. I wonder if there's
Speaker 1: going to be a moment of reflection once they've eaten
Speaker 1: absolutely reaction is going to be I also like, holy
Speaker 1: shit with that.
Speaker 2: I also think they're going to be very sick because
Speaker 2: think about if you haven't eaten for a long time,
Speaker 2: even eating the smallest amount of food can be really hard,
Speaker 2: let alone eat in human flesh. I also think this
Speaker 2: sets up a very interesting duel kind of sliding doors.
Speaker 2: Obviously not a rom com situation going forward, which is
Speaker 2: anything that happened before this, we had the argument is
Speaker 2: it supernatural? Is it you know?
Speaker 1: Real?
Speaker 2: I think after this that question is going to become
Speaker 2: even more blood because one of the scientific takeaways that
Speaker 2: they've done from the very small studies of people who
Speaker 2: eat humans is it can give you a brain infection
Speaker 2: called kuru, and that brain infection can make you hallucinate,
Speaker 2: it can make you ill, it can make you experience
Speaker 2: all kinds of terrible things. So I also think that
Speaker 2: now that they've eaten Jackie and they've eaten this flesh,
Speaker 2: it's going to be very hard for us to know
Speaker 2: what isn't isn't real from here on out because it's
Speaker 2: probably going to affect them and as we know, this
Speaker 2: isn't going to be the last time that they do this.
Speaker 1: What Okay, let's unpack some of the supernatural stuff in this,
Speaker 1: because I guess we're leaning now towards either there's some
Speaker 1: very very persistent and severe mental illness that everybody is
Speaker 1: kind of having, like a like a shared delusion of.
Speaker 2: That, and we're not getting and we're not getting we
Speaker 2: are getting unreliable narratives in that case, because I think
Speaker 2: something the biggest argument here for the supernatural is the
Speaker 2: snowpack falling on the tree seeming intentional. I do truly
Speaker 2: believe there is a version of the end of this
Speaker 2: season and or the next season where weelan actually that
Speaker 2: was a group of the girls who went out and
Speaker 2: prepared Jackie and they basically just oh, something magical happened,
Speaker 2: and that was that it was meant to be. That's
Speaker 2: why they can't.
Speaker 1: Admit to themselves that they went that they actually actually
Speaker 1: went out and yeah, and intended to eat their friend.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me as well.
Speaker 1: That and and as we saw from the episode, they
Speaker 1: kind of participate in this grand hallucination in order to
Speaker 1: make the eating of Jackie kind of okay. So I
Speaker 1: think that there is something to that, but it still
Speaker 1: feels like, gosh, every time we are coming along to
Speaker 1: a murder, their sex involved, and then there's some sort
Speaker 1: of gust of wind or something that happens.
Speaker 2: Very ritualistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very ritualistic. And I really still I can't wait
Speaker 1: to find out what the fuck is going exactly?
Speaker 2: Can we? The big question is are they going to
Speaker 2: be able to long it out like successfully and keep
Speaker 2: people engaged. Is it gonna be the Twin Peaks problem
Speaker 2: where they told they have to solve it too quickly,
Speaker 2: or is it going to be the Lost problem where
Speaker 2: they have it almost go on for so long that
Speaker 2: people start to, you know, become confused or questioning about
Speaker 2: what the real outcome is. I'm very interested to see
Speaker 2: because I do think if you just go by what
Speaker 2: we're shown this episode, I think you could say something
Speaker 2: supernatural is happening. Lottie saw a ghost of laural Ley,
Speaker 2: Lotty felt like the crane was taken up without her
Speaker 2: to kill Travis. So in that case, what is the supernatural?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: This idea of the wilderness. Is it a cult that
Speaker 2: already exists in this space that is using these kids
Speaker 2: as sacrifices. Is this something that they've almost manifested themselves
Speaker 2: just out of a need to survive. I'm very interested
Speaker 2: to see where it goes, because at the moment, it's
Speaker 2: just really cool, brave storytelling. And I totally agree with you.
Speaker 2: It bodes very well that they did not wait until
Speaker 2: the finale and keep teasing this idea of cannibalism. Instead,
Speaker 2: they just went for it. They were like, it's happened.
Speaker 2: Now here's the fallout, and there's still you know, you're
Speaker 2: only two episodes into the season.
Speaker 1: Do you think there's gonna be a bad guy? Because
Speaker 1: I was really leaning towards Lotti created this cult, and
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that's going on now is
Speaker 1: because of Lottie's cult, and she's continued to pull the
Speaker 1: strings with Tie and with others and maybe in ways
Speaker 1: that they don't even understand that they're being manipulated. But
Speaker 1: after this episode, I'm honestly not I know, I think,
Speaker 1: but it still feels like there's there's somebody's group of
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, that is that is behind some of
Speaker 1: this stuff.
Speaker 2: I think that Lotti seems to be the obvious option,
Speaker 2: but I do agree that after this episode, I think
Speaker 2: Lotti believes in this stuff because she believes it is protection.
Speaker 2: I actually believed when she told Nat that her she
Speaker 2: sent the people there to help her and it was
Speaker 2: just kind of this bad organization. I am a believer
Speaker 2: that Shawna could be the one who was the aunt
Speaker 2: the queen that we first saw in the first season,
Speaker 2: and that Shawna has some deeper involvement in all of this,
Speaker 2: because she's just like a chaotic void at the center
Speaker 2: of all of the problems that are going on. I
Speaker 2: also do believe I'm leaning more into the idea that
Speaker 2: there might be an unseen figure or an unseen group
Speaker 2: that we're yet to meet, the people who put the
Speaker 2: symbol there in the first place, in the cabin, the
Speaker 2: ones who were connected to the dead man in the
Speaker 2: attic when they first found it. I think there might
Speaker 2: be a big pull out from the camera where we
Speaker 2: kind of get a bigger picture scene that some other
Speaker 2: people are involved. But I can't wait to see, Well.
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue our coverage of this truly
Speaker 1: appalling an intriguing show. Up next nerd Out.
Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,
Speaker 2: am why, or share a theory that you're really excited about,
Speaker 2: Danielle shares our first Yellow Jackets theory, which I mean
Speaker 2: that's a big success. This is a big milestone for
Speaker 2: us because we get a lot of the comic book
Speaker 2: the TV theories, but Yellow Jackets this is a first.
Speaker 1: Danielle opens with I am freaking out thinking of the
Speaker 1: new Red Shirt girl, Crystal, who likes to sing. She
Speaker 1: entices Misty with the opportunity to harmonize. I thought that
Speaker 1: the creepy Satan Girls choir, a phrase coined credit to
Speaker 1: Kelly Anakin of the Blood High podcast, was just for
Speaker 1: a dramatic music effect. Now I wonder if Misty and
Speaker 1: her new duet partner are actually going to be responsible
Speaker 1: for inventing and performing said creepy vocalizations as part of
Speaker 1: the ritual. Oh what if Crystal, who loves drama Club,
Speaker 1: is also responsible for the production of the rituals from
Speaker 1: costuming to stage production. Thank you, Danielle Rickard. I this
Speaker 1: is great.
Speaker 2: This is so legit because think about this, we already
Speaker 2: had that group delusion. They're wearing the Grecian outfits that
Speaker 2: made them feel like everything was okay. There's a version
Speaker 2: of this where Chrystal and Misty. We know, Misty's kind
Speaker 2: of on the outs of this. She just does it
Speaker 2: whatever's going to get her in with the group and
Speaker 2: keep her surviving. There's definitely a version where they sort
Speaker 2: of put these on as plays so they feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, when you take off the mask, you're no
Speaker 2: longer that character. It's the same way that slasher movie
Speaker 2: killers often wear masks. They can't kill without the mask.
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot to this, and I
Speaker 2: think we could really see it become quite a prominent
Speaker 2: part of where the story goes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to this too, and it really makes
Speaker 1: me think of something that I was kind of like
Speaker 1: knocking around in my head during our conversation, which is,
Speaker 1: no one knows what happened in the woods, and there
Speaker 1: was a there are a lot of people there, including
Speaker 1: people who you know we're just meeting now, part of
Speaker 1: like the core group, which means they really really stayed
Speaker 1: strong and no one spoke to anyone, which makes me
Speaker 1: wonder like if this kind of shared hallucination that they
Speaker 1: participated in if they're almost continuing to do it in
Speaker 1: their adulthood. You know, it just feels like maybe they
Speaker 1: are the secret villain, because it's really incredible that none
Speaker 1: of them have ever told the story. That's like the
Speaker 1: fact that it must get really fucking crazy for none
Speaker 1: of them to have ever told.
Speaker 2: Right, the shame and the horror of what they Yeah. Also,
Speaker 2: I wonder is there someone like Misty who's very smart.
Speaker 2: I understand why Nat thought of this in those first
Speaker 2: episodes of the first season. Maybe there's someone like Misty
Speaker 2: who kept proof to keep everyone quiet, to you know,
Speaker 2: protect everyone. Maybe there's somebody who has the tools to say, well,
Speaker 2: if you try and talk about it, then I can
Speaker 2: prove that you were just as culpable as everyone else.
Speaker 2: And if she was part of this costuming and development,
Speaker 2: part of the rituals, that would have probably been quite
Speaker 2: easy for her to keep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Wow, so exciting.
Speaker 2: You're blowing our mind.
Speaker 1: That was so good, Danielle. If you have theories or
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