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Speaker 1: Warning. This podcast contains spoilers for the second episode of

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Speaker 1: season four of Succession, the final season and season two

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Speaker 1: episode two of You Yellow Jackets be warned. Hello, my

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Speaker 1: name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosey Night and welcome

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Speaker 1: to x ray Vision, the crooked media podcast where we

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Speaker 1: dive the put to your favorite shows, movies, comics, and

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Speaker 1: pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode on previously on, we got something very

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Speaker 2: exciting is our new Succession final season speed recaps Market Moves.

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Speaker 2: Oh in the airlock is Yellow Jackets season two, episode two,

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Speaker 2: and you don't want to bet on those girls surviving

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Speaker 2: because they are acting up. It's all happening in the nutout.

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Speaker 2: Danielle is going to pitch us on a new character

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Speaker 2: in Yellowjacket season two.

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Speaker 1: And of course, if you want to jump around, check

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Speaker 1: the show notes for the time stamps coming up. Market Moves,

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Speaker 1: Succession the final season. First up, we're entering the previously

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Speaker 1: on to also enter Market Moves, our speed recap of

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Speaker 1: the final season of Succession. Folks, it's tough out there

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Speaker 1: a lot of chaos in the marketplace these days. Bonds, stocks, crypto,

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Speaker 1: it's all tanking. No one knows what's going on when

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Speaker 1: the market is punishing you. Those are red bottoms. This

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Speaker 1: is market moves. We open on the eve of Waste

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Speaker 1: Stars sale to the Swedish billionaire Lucas Mattson's Gojo and

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Speaker 1: Logan Roy, head of the Roy family. He's as cool

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Speaker 1: as ever. He's excited. He can't wait for this new

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Speaker 1: era of ATN, and he's celebrating by taking the kids

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Speaker 1: helicopter arrangements away from them and then going to eight

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Speaker 1: to harangue everybody and make a hitlerresque speech about how

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Speaker 1: this is now a pirate ship. Logan then puts his

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Speaker 1: stamp on the up and coming new network, the new

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Speaker 1: Old ATN, by getting ready to Rosie install his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: slash assistant Carrie as an anchor, despite the fact that

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Speaker 1: she is testing terribly on a tape that is currently

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Speaker 1: making the rounds all throughout the New York media space.

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Speaker 2: Our first segment, do not buy carry stock.

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Speaker 1: Do not buy it. We are shorting carry stock. Our

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Speaker 1: first question, Daddy's home. Are we long or short on

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Speaker 1: Logan's ATM pirate ship era? You're pirates, all right?

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Speaker 2: He's saying fuck many times. He believes in it, but

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Speaker 2: it's clear that he's going full Fox News feel as

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Speaker 2: you it was Mudoc, but he literally says, we're gonna lie,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna cheat, We're gonna say things other people will

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Speaker 2: not say. We're buyers, we're doing things illegally. It's going

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Speaker 2: for folks news. Carry is a big sign of that.

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Speaker 2: It's honestly gonna probably make him a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: So I'm saying bye bye bye.

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Speaker 1: You know what I hate to say it. Listen this.

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Speaker 1: You know there's a big movement these days in investing

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Speaker 1: towards investing according to your personal morals and political ideals. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Logan Roy and the Roy family are antithetical to everything

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Speaker 1: I stand for. I'm buying. I'm big on this. I

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Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a massive, massive success, so fucking spicy.

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Speaker 1: They can't believe what we said. I love it. I'll

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Speaker 1: buy it. What about the kids, what are the kids

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Speaker 1: up to? Well, listen to the kids need that. They

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Speaker 1: need that Gojo money, they need that Gojo loot because

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Speaker 1: they just made a ten billion dollar bid for Pierce

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Speaker 1: Global Media aka PGM. Meanwhile, shiv Kenan Roman the Rebel

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Speaker 1: it pretty fucking boring, Rosie. They don't like the product

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Speaker 1: that's currently on offer at PGM.

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Speaker 2: They bought MSNBC and they're pissed about it. They didn't

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Speaker 2: their previous choice to make the hundred. It sounded terrible,

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Speaker 2: But you know what, I'm with Romulus on this one.

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Speaker 2: Stick with the hundred. Do what you know, spend a

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Speaker 2: little bit of Daddy's money and do something that wasn't dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Ten billion for this news. You don't know what to

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Speaker 2: do with it. It's gonna go terribly and you did it.

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Speaker 2: It's the most expensive fuck you to your dad that anyone.

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Speaker 1: Has ever Absolutely, it's delicious. Again, we're waiting on that

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Speaker 1: It's boring. Watching it is like doing homework, and they

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Speaker 1: Stewie Ken's old pal and they are saying, Hey, this

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Speaker 1: of mister Lucas Mattson. We squeeze those Swedish nuts and

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Speaker 1: mcgreb and these nuts? How would you fix PGM? Ken

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Speaker 1: says mcgreb East sub Saharan Africa, West sub Saharan Africa.

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Speaker 1: We go Africa all the time. Would you watch that?

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Speaker 2: You got to fix them by just making it a

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Speaker 2: logan smear campaign. Every story is terrible ATM is terrible,

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Speaker 2: and you just make that your only goal. That's the

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Speaker 2: only you're gonna get those rate ends people are gonna watch.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you'll make some money, maybe you won't. But also

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Speaker 2: just need to note here, Ship is very open to

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Speaker 1: That's right, she needs she needs it. Let's get into that.

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Speaker 1: So Shiv discovers that her number one, pick number two,

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Speaker 1: five favorite divorce lawyers in New York City picks have

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Speaker 1: been tied up by Tom on the advice of none

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Speaker 2: She says, she's got doing the same shit they eat

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Speaker 2: This episode, I think, actually cements what's so great about succession,

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Speaker 2: which is every single character in this episode, apart from Greg,

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Speaker 2: who's just catching mad jokes as always, but like everyone

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Speaker 2: Instantly they remind you why you should have no empathy

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Speaker 2: because Shiv gets horribly fucked over. But Shiv and Tom

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Speaker 2: we say, Ike Palmer, this was King Energy here, not

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Speaker 2: I thought if Logan, I think he might be getting soft.

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Speaker 2: I think the kids might be onto something because Logan.

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Speaker 2: I thought Logan was going to fire Tom and say,

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Speaker 2: why did you make me look stupid? Why would you

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Speaker 2: And I just want to say, Yeah, the absolute chaotic

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Speaker 2: Two fucking idiots. Yeah, and Kendall is so consumed with

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Speaker 2: He could literally go in and just back. He could

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Speaker 2: But no, he keeps it to himself because he wants

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Speaker 1: There's can Both Kendall and Lucas have speak the language

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Speaker 1: as a weapon, Like Lucas has a great you know

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Speaker 1: They just the next one. You're just the You're just

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Speaker 2: I think though, I think Kendall, I like your read. Look,

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna be continuing to cover the Gojo merger

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, we get an insight into why

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00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: they haven't done anything yet, which is Lotty insists that

432
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: the group just need to like leave her be. She's

433
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 2: still mourning. But Ty and Natalie are like, bro, She's

434
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 2: in there every night, freezing to death, talking to her

435
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: best friend in the meat shed, like we need to

436
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,479
Speaker 2: do something. And it's quickly becoming clear that Tye and

437
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 2: Natalie are sort of becoming like the parents of the group.

438
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: They're in charge of what people eat, where they poop.

439
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: There's a big poop argument this episode.

440
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Don't poop in in any kind of vessel and leave

441
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: it in the cavs.

442
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 2: By the way, somebody in our Discord pointed this out,

443
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: but poop Gate it was probably Tie. I believe this.

444
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 2: It was probably nighttime Tie.

445
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: I think it was nighttime Tie as well, although like

446
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 1: did she here's the question did she do it in

447
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: her room with Van and then bring it down?

448
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: Where did she pop it on the way in the

449
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: middle of the room, And it's obvious. It's really interesting

450
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: because it shows that there's like this nighttime Tie. She's dangerous,

451
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 2: and Tye and Nat are like getting very sick of

452
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: kind of the rule breaking girls who don't really seem

453
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: to understand how hard it is to survive and almost

454
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: kind of seem like they're still on vac vacation while

455
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: like Tis trying not to kill them all at night,

456
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: and NAT's trying not to die while hunting them food

457
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: that doesn't seem to exist. Nat and Tie's surrogate child, Sawna,

458
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 2: sadly is still in the meat shed. Nobody went to

459
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: get her, which is.

460
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: Where it gets So this is so disturbing right now.

461
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: Where this goes probably one of the.

462
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 2: Most powerful and scary moments from any of the Cold opens.

463
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 2: So Seanna is in the meat shed and Jackie encourages

464
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: her to braid the hair of her dead corpse, because

465
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 2: if she braids her hair, no one will see that.

466
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Seagal tracks weird, but sure, and as that begins to happen,

467
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 2: they're having so much fun reminiscing about all these fun

468
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: times that Jackie's makeup box miraculously appears and Jackie's like, oh,

469
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: do my makeup, Please do my makeup, So Shauna obliges.

470
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: And while Jackie looks alive in her memory, it is

471
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: not creepy, but once you see her dead body, it

472
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: is very creepy.

473
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: It's extremely creepy. And I don't remember who said this,

474
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: which the girls said this in the previous episode, but

475
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: basically called shawna Norman beats and that's this is purely

476
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: legitimately what Norman beats.

477
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,159
Speaker 2: Literally, And not only that, but Shauna goes one step

478
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: further because in a very very very very very good scene,

479
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean, this show is just so good, but Jackie

480
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 2: gets a knife and starts to cut away at her.

481
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: She's like, come on, you're running out of food. Don't

482
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: I look delicious? And Seawana's like stop it, and Jackie says, well,

483
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: you're the one holding the knife, and obviously it's just Shawna.

484
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: They're cutting up her dead body of her friend. It's

485
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 2: very gross and terrifying and cut of those awesomelyan nineties credits.

486
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: And guess who's back. We're always harsh to I feel

487
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: like today she brings she's getting just one vaguely redemptive thing.

488
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: But Callie's back. Guess what. She's still the worst. She's

489
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,479
Speaker 2: dealing with the fact her parents almost certainly killed Adam

490
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 2: by getting high with her boyfriend, who she then immediately

491
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: dumps because he offers to make her chocolate chip pancakes

492
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: or his mom offers to make her chocolate pancakes.

493
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: I say, take the win, Like, why does that creates?

494
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: Then do it?

495
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,640
Speaker 2: She's literally like, my parents don't care about me, blah

496
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: blah blah. Everything's terrible. And then you have your boyfriend

497
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 2: who's like, well, my mom does care about you and

498
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: would like to make you a delicious breakfast, and she's like, no,

499
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: I'm breaking up with you. Fuck you. So still the worst. Honestly,

500
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: at this point, Callie probably could have done with some

501
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: time in the wilderness to teach her how to behave

502
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 2: a little bit better.

503
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: She would have become a cult leader. I think, oh, yeah, exactly,

504
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: she does.

505
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Have big Shora energy. I'm not gonna lie. I think

506
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: that's why she has so much beef with her mum

507
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: is because she's actually really similar to her. And back

508
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: in the nineties, Van has to stalk nighttime Tie, who

509
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: has broken out of her ropes and essentially almost sleepwalks

510
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: off the edge of.

511
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: A celles cliff. Step brother's sleep walking towards the edge of.

512
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: The Yeah, that's a good call, and it is like

513
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: she's going off that cliff if but luckily she's going

514
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: That has to happen.

515
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: She has a she has a vision, she is being

516
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: led to the cliff. She sees, Now this is the nineties, right,

517
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: and she sees like an anime version of Vincent from

518
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: pulp fiction.

519
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 2: The only way I would describe this, Yes, now if

520
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: so wondering who anime Vincent pulp fiction is. If you

521
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: remember in the first season, Tie had all these memories

522
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: of her grandma and her grandma used to see an

523
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: eyeless man and this is the first time unless you

524
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: go through at half speed of the crest sequence where

525
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: you actually get that clip, you get to see him

526
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: again here. So it's very creepy and uh, it almost

527
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: leads Tied to a certain death, but Van stops her

528
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: because Van's nearmortal gay who apparently can do anything and

529
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: never dies, which we love and uh. But as the

530
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: as they head back to the cabin, we see that

531
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: the tree that Tie almost slept walked past over the

532
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: edge of the cliff had the cult symbol dun dun

533
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: dun't dun't dun. So it's probably there's some supernatural occurrences.

534
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: It's there.

535
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 2: It seems there's something that the girls are connecting to

536
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: with this symbol lot He seems to think it's for protection,

537
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 2: but it is clearly growing as a source of power,

538
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: even if it's just through a group delusion. And talking

539
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: of Lotty, Van is like, you should go to her

540
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: for help. Remember when she gave Travis that bona vision

541
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: And now he's chilling. He doesn't have panic attacks anymore,

542
00:30:59,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: and he's.

543
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: Told he's only fine now. He just doesn't have any

544
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: troubling thoughts.

545
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: No, you'll never see that. You will see this episode.

546
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: He doesn't have any problems. That didn't establish a strange

547
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: connection between the two of them that you might not

548
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: want for your girlfriend. But Ty refuses and she's like, no,

549
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: fuck that. And you're not going to talk to Lotty

550
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: about this either. And it's kind of clear you're seeing

551
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 2: this chasm grow between that Nat and Tie and this

552
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: kind of logical faction. And then Lottie, who's still blessing

553
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: people all over the place, and she's blessing them when

554
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: they go out to hunt, and she's you know, making

555
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: blood tea, all kinds of shenanigans. Sadly, in the future,

556
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: present day adult Tie is not really doing much better,

557
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: and she's decided to fend off nighttime Tie. She's gonna

558
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: go nightmare on Elm Street hashtag never SLEEPI never.

559
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: Sleep, Ti philasophy, Never Sleep.

560
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: She is drinking fifty coffees a day. They don't show it,

561
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: but I'm sure she's also taken some caffeine pills. This

562
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: is like, it's Alady Kruger one I want. And I'll

563
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: tell you two things. Anyone who's seen those films know

564
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: that that is only effective for so long. Plus anyone

565
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: who has struggled with mental health issues knows sleep deprivation

566
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: only makes things a million times worse. So this is

567
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: a terrible idea, terrible idea, terrible idea, And I really

568
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 2: wish she would just listen to a strange wife and

569
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: get some help. I'm not quite sure why she hasn't

570
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: done that yet. That's kind of a big question I

571
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: have after this episode.

572
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: I think I know, and I think it's because, you know,

573
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: she she just entered into this very very high stress,

574
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: very important job as a state senator from the great

575
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: standard New Jersey. And I think when you're in that

576
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: kind of dream job, high pressure, higher performing space, you know,

577
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: the last thing that you want to do is admit that, Hey,

578
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: I turn it to a different person. At night, I

579
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: cut off ahead of dogs, I eat dirt, and I

580
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: remember blood Sacrie and basically the only way I can

581
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: cope is by uh, never, never, ever, ever, ever sleeping

582
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: and don't worry. I can handle this. This is totally fine.

583
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: Like I am going to be able to perform my

584
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: duties as the state senator to the great state of

585
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: New Jersey. I'm fine.

586
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: I think you make many good points. I would say

587
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: if I were in Tie's life, I would count with like,

588
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 2: just go to the therapist and be like, I'm feeling

589
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 2: a bit fucked up. I think I might be like

590
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: seeing things. Can you keep it quiet? I'm gonna go

591
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: to an expensive therapist. So nobody tells me. I feel

592
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: like there's a compromise, but I appreciate her dedication to

593
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: this absolutely terrible idea that is just pure night right

594
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: elm Street, Just is that really your best ideas, best

595
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: self care ideas from.

596
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: Well and Well? We're going to get to how crazy

597
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: it gets for Tie shortly. But I she can't she

598
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: can't go another forty eight hours sleep at this rate. Yeah,

599
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: she can't go. She can't keep doing this, No, she

600
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: can't physically, she she won't be able to continue doing.

601
00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: This unsustainable and the speaking of things that will get unsustainable,

602
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 2: but this may see an end to this one particular

603
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 2: kind of tragedy. Nat and Travis go off. They continue

604
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: their search for Harvey that they're doing every day. They're

605
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: not having any luck finding game. They kind of have

606
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 2: a little argument because NAT's like, I'm not doing the

607
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: blessing stuff anymore and Travis is like, nah, lot, he's tea.

608
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: It's just a symbol like you've just got to be

609
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 2: more open minded. They go off, and it turns out

610
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 2: that Nat finds Travis's little brother, Harvey. She finds his

611
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: bloody shorts in the wilderness, and it seems like, at

612
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 2: least from this episode, Travis, while finding that very tragic,

613
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: ends up accepting that Harvey is likely gone. And it's

614
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 2: been two months in the snow, So where is he?

615
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Where is he? Like, if he's not dead, where there

616
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: is a.

617
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, Stranger Things style Lost style kind of military

618
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: base or something like that. It's not looking good for Harvey,

619
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: and the shorts seemed to be like a momentary end

620
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 2: to that quest. Lotty doesn't believe it, though, and we'll

621
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: get to that in a little bit. And speaking of

622
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: Loy in the modern day, cult's going strong. They're wearing

623
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: their heliotrope robes. She's showing that around and she's like,

624
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: it's not purple, it's heliotrope. And uh, they're not a cult, Jason,

625
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: They're actually an intentional community.

626
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: Did it? Yeah, that's right? Yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't

627
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: mean to I didn't mean to call you.

628
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 2: How could we do that? She also claims that they're

629
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: not cult. Were never going to kidnap Nat until they

630
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: broke into her room. May I just say they had

631
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: and she was about to commit suicide, so they had

632
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: to do it and there was no other choice and

633
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: isn't she lucky that Lotty saved her.

634
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: Yeah.

635
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: Suta meanwhile, is trying to kind of connect with Callie,

636
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: and she's saying, like, do you want.

637
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: To go to the mall?

638
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 2: You want to run up some credit card debt on

639
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: your dad? Honestly sounds great. Feel like Kelly should just

640
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: embrace it. If you think your mum's a murderer, maybe

641
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 2: nicer up a bit. I don't know, it seems silly

642
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: to me. But Cop Kevin, who you may remember went

643
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: to high school with the girls and was in a

644
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: relationship with Nat, like a kind of a dodgy relationship

645
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: with Nat. He turns up and lo and behold, he's

646
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: got a lot of questions about Adam.

647
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: Who uh, who's Adam? We have the fender bender and

648
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: then he texted a couple of times and he's a

649
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: lot a thousand.

650
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, we have to sort things out,

651
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: and and it's here that we see I would say,

652
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: probably more for her own self preservation, but it is

653
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: a rare moment of solidarity from Kelly, who comes in

654
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: and is like, Mom, we've got to like go to

655
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: the mall. It's gonna shut so stop being talked to

656
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 2: by this and the CoP's like, uh, okay, sure, Like

657
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 2: I guess I'll go uh and Kevin, you know, cop

658
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Kevin off he goes. So obviously I have to say

659
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Misty was right. Shana is an idiot. She is like

660
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: the most submerspicious person of all time. You can't just

661
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 2: you could just spin my hair. And she's like, oh,

662
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: do I need a lawyer? And he's like, oh, why

663
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: would you need a lawyer? No, that's what you should

664
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 2: have said first.

665
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let me talk to let me have my lawyer. Yeah,

666
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,919
Speaker 1: and honestly, don't answer any fucking questions. And you can't

667
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: say I don't remember this guy and then be like, oh, yeah,

668
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: we had a very significant interaction regarding a car crash

669
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: and we texted.

670
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: I think he's like yeah, there's like hundreds of texts

671
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:36,800
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh yeah.

672
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that guy just slipped my mind. How's he doing?

673
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh is he dead?

674
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 2: Oh wait? Adam? Oh no, I missed that. That's so

675
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: tragic for his family and the people who care about him,

676
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: which definitely didn't include me, And well, Shawna's making the

677
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 2: Adam situation like ten thousand times worst. Misty once again

678
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: doing the work, trying to put these kind of snooping

679
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 2: suspicions of some of her friends on the True Crime forum.

680
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: She's trying to wipe those away. She's she's the only

681
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: one who cares about it. She's the only one who's

682
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: keeping up to date with it. And she's still the

683
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 2: only one who cares about Nat. She's calling people. She's saying, Ty, Suuna, Nat,

684
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 2: I think she has fallen, you know, a foot to

685
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: foul play, Like we've got to help her, and these

686
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: motherfuckers just are not answering the phone. TI kind of understandable.

687
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: Ty's got a lot of her own thing going well,

688
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: to be to be fair, and you know, Shauna is

689
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: embroiled in the ongoing responsibilities that come from committing a

690
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: murder and needing to cover it up. So that is

691
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: an issue.

692
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 2: That's the problem. She's just chilling, like she's trying to

693
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: go to the mall. I'm like, go to you more

694
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 2: with Misty.

695
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: She might give you a tip on how she's not

696
00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: she's having sex in the apartment of her former murder victim.

697
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 2: I like, she's terrible, and honestly, at this point, Misty

698
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: is so good at dealing with this shit that I'm

699
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: like wishing that she hadn't tried to poison people back

700
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 2: in the nineties because she might have been some use

701
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: with all the fucked up shit that's going on. Because

702
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: guess what, no surprises here. Tie eventually finds the disgusting

703
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: Norman Bates mother style corpse of Jackie, which they just

704
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 2: the production design did so well on this because it

705
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 2: is haunting.

706
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: It is really really chilling. Like, if you know, I

707
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: to be fair to Shauna, this is a very stressful situation.

708
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: It was high stress before the plane crash. Now, Gil

709
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: obviously she's got a lot of guil. She got dosed

710
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: with hallucinogenics at least once, very badly, and who knows

711
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: how many more times, and so you know she's under

712
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of strain. But this is like, if

713
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: you saw this, you'd be like, holy shit, this is serious.

714
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: This is really bad.

715
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: Jasmine's void Brown places Tied us such a great job

716
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 2: in this. She is just she is this perfect mix

717
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 2: of just like absolute fucking rage and like deep deep

718
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 2: heartbreak because she loves Shanna, but she's just like you

719
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: cannot do this, Like and I've been telling everyone, I've

720
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: been here, and I've been saying, please, she cannot do this,

721
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: stop her from doing this, don't let her out there.

722
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: This isn't okay, and everyone's just been like, nah, no,

723
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: let's leave it. We don't want to have to deal

724
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: with it right now. And obviously at this point, Ty

725
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: is like fucking done and she's like, we're burning the body.

726
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: Lotty does not argue, which I think could be argued

727
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: as quite an important moment going forward, because Lotty's been

728
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: very much on Shawna's side, and that's it. They're gonna

729
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: build a pire, They're gonna burn Jackie, and everything's gonna

730
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: go back to as normal as it can be for

731
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: being in the wilderness, because you know, she won't be

732
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: able to be normal Baits anymore. The body will be

733
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: gone and they can just move on.

734
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: And honestly, it's a solid plan, in.

735
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 2: This solid plan exactly until it very much is not. Yea,

736
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: and well, Ty is kind of being the logical force

737
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: in the past. In the present, she's still drinking like

738
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: five thousand coffees and she's pleasantly surprised to see that

739
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 2: her lovely young son Sammy has arrived at her beautiful

740
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: townhouse home to see their new dog, Steve. Love Steve.

741
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: Glad he's still alive.

742
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: Man, Steve, just keep thriving in a very tough situation.

743
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: We're all pulling for you, Steve.

744
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: Very proud of you, Steve, like we believe in you.

745
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: We believe you can survive. So she calls her wife,

746
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 2: which I actually have to say, good move. Ty response,

747
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 2: you were there, that was quite responsible. She calls her wife.

748
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: They the wife arrives at her house, which strangely the

749
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: door has been chained and Ty has been asleep, and

750
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: it seems a bit like, well, where's Sammy, and they

751
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 2: they realized he left, and then in one of the

752
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: best moments, the kind of most chilling moments of the episode,

753
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: which is saying a lot for this episode, and her

754
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: wife get a phone call from the school, and the

755
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 2: school says, why was Sammy never picked up? And it

756
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: turns out that Sammy was never in Ty's house and

757
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: has been at school the whole time waiting for his

758
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 2: mum to pick him up. And it is just absolutely

759
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: got punch horrible to realize just how bad Tie is bugling.

760
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,839
Speaker 1: It's as bad as it gets. And I suspected from

761
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: the first when he showed up that this was because

762
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: he's just he's just there. Yeah, he just is there,

763
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: and it just didn't sit right. And you know, for

764
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: Ty's X, this must be really, really, really scary, and

765
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: it only gets scarier from beer.

766
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's terrifying because they get this phone call

767
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: and then dun't done in a hint that we might

768
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 2: act be seeing nighttime tie in the daytime, ty gives

769
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 2: this kind of inscrutable look and then just crashes her

770
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: car into oncoming traffic with her wife in it. And

771
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 2: it is There's been a lot of debate whether this

772
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 2: is intentional or unintentional, but there's definitely a question there.

773
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: This is not a sleep deprived crash. There was a

774
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: moment where our choice was made to accelerate.

775
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: I agree with this, and I have to say, you know,

776
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: we talked about this in our previous recap. This idea

777
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: that I have that there is some reason that Tyme

778
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: can't get fired, like I feel like, you know, originally

779
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: I thought maybe Lottie puts some sort of post hypnotic

780
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: suggestion in and it's very you know, and is you know,

781
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: wants an important ally in government or something like that.

782
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's not it, because Lottie doesn't unless she's a

783
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: Lotty's role is Yeah, unless Lottie is playing a much

784
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: more farious game than we suspect. I guess I'm leaning

785
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: away from that now, but it still feels like whatever

786
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: is going on, part of it is that it remains

787
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: important for Tie to be in government, and for whatever reason,

788
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: nighttime Tide really doesn't want anything having to do with

789
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: her existence exposed because that would cause Tie daytimetime I

790
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: have to step down. And I agree with the take

791
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: that this seemed like a choice. Now, whether it's nighttime

792
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: Tie or daytime Ties choice to drive into oncoming traffic

793
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: and potentially kill her estranged wife in order to keep

794
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: this secret. I don't know, but I think it's a choice. Yeah,

795
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: who's choice down, But it feels like.

796
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 2: It seems intentional and very It's a really creepy and

797
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 2: sad moment that kind of lets you know how lost

798
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: Tie is and how alone she is in this too.

799
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: X Ray Vision will be back.

800
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: And we're back.

801
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: We get another great, really creepy moment sort of that

802
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 2: follows this interaction, which is Misty Quickly good old serial

803
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: killer Misty who yet somehow manages to be the hero

804
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: of this show. Is working at the Old People's Home

805
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: where she has inevitably killed many people. I have to

806
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: just point that out. And she hears a strange new voice,

807
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: and it's Elijah Wood, who we knew was going to

808
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: be appearing, And it is her online Frenemie Walter. He

809
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: has a very scary username, is using the names like

810
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: putting the sick in forensics. So I'm sure these two

811
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: are going to get on very well. But he's there

812
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: basically scoping out Misty and leaves her a little spooky note.

813
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I can't wait for these two to get together. It

814
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: feels like it's gonna have perfect casting.

815
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we know that Misty has been alone for a

816
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: long time and has always been seeking out companionship. And also,

817
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the thing we haven't really delved

818
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: into yet. It was hinted at just before Adam was murdered.

819
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: But there's got to be people out there who are

820
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: obsessed with the Yellow Jackets, Like if you're a true

821
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 2: crime not these people are like celebrities to you. So

822
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: I do wonder if Walter will have that kind of

823
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 2: interest where he's like a Yellow Jacket super fan.

824
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. Yeah, you know,

825
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: as you know, as a person who spends some time

826
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: on Reddit, I think that he is all He's clearly

827
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 1: alongside Misty all the way deep down in several rabbit holes.

828
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, it makes sense that the Yellow Jackets, their history,

829
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: what happened in the wilderness is a rabbit hole for

830
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people.

831
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Completely. And we see Misty kind of realizing that

832
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 2: she may have made a new friend in this strange

833
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: kind of frenemy situation she has with Walter, and as

834
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 2: she is doing that, her beloved bff Nat is being

835
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: told a story by Lotti, which I'm very excited to

836
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: talk about because I think it makes it poses a

837
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 2: lot of questions. I agree, Nat obviously thinks Lotti killed

838
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: Travis and stole this money, which is what the evidence

839
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: points towards.

840
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: But Lotty says, no, it does. It really does. Let's

841
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: be real.

842
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 2: That's that's the Ockham's Raiser version.

843
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: Like it really does.

844
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: But Lotty says, Travis called her asking for help. He

845
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 2: said the wilderness is coming for him and the only

846
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 2: way to fix it was to have a near death experience.

847
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: Because in the woods, when Lotty smashed her head against

848
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: the window and almost died, and when Van was definitely

849
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: killed or almost killed by a wolf. Afterwards, they both

850
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 2: claimed they had visions. So Lotty goes there and she says, no, please,

851
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: I promise, like we're going to make this better. And

852
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 2: she thinks that she she's calmed him down out of

853
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 2: this sort of near psychotic break, but she wakes up

854
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: and he has set up an extremely convoluted and dangerous

855
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: auto asphyxiation.

856
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: Ritual involving construction equipment. Yeah, we don't need that. It's unnecessary,

857
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 1: my friend.

858
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: It could have just been a doorknob and a rope.

859
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't do this in any way.

860
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: What do you want to do it.

861
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: It's a bad idea. But if you are going to

862
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: do it, not with your train.

863
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: Not up some sweatpants. Literally, we don't need it. We

864
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: don't need.

865
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 2: Something. And Lotty claims that she sold Travis please don't

866
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: do this, and he said, I'm going to do it

867
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 2: whether you're here or not. So of course Loti did

868
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 2: the responsible thing and was like, I'll press the button.

869
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: I'll press the crane button so that when you lose consciousness,

870
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: I'll bring you back and you'll have seen the wilderness

871
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: and it will all be okay. Just unbelievably bad idea.

872
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 2: Everyone here, I realize, is just up to Shenanigan's whether

873
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: this was a lie from Lotti. It's a terrible lie

874
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 2: if it was. If it's the truth, there's almost more

875
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: embarrassing because you're just like, this is so much bad

876
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 2: decision making, Like you are in charge of a wellness

877
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 2: community and you're just allowing a man to do this,

878
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: this terrible, terrible plan. So in this incredibly safe situation

879
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 2: that the pair of them have created, just apparently Lotti

880
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 2: tried to press the button to bring Travis back down

881
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: after his unconscious asphyxiation experience, but the button got stuck.

882
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 2: Now this is the big question. Do we believe that

883
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 2: the button got stuck? Loti tells Nat it was a

884
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: tragic accident, but we then see a different version of

885
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 2: events that she does not share with lot with Nat,

886
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 2: which include a magical gust of wind, the crane just

887
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: going up and taking Travis, you know, fifteen twenty thirty

888
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: forty feet into that, and even a supernatural ghost in

889
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 2: the form of ex Yellow Jackets team member and faithful

890
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: Christian who baptized Lotty Laura Lee. So there's just a

891
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,240
Speaker 2: lot going on here. What was your take on this situation?

892
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 2: Where do you think the truth lies?

893
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: I think that she is telling the truth but left

894
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: out the part about the laur Le vision, which is real.

895
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: I should also note that it seems that are Good

896
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: from Lottie is a more powerful vasso constrictor than cialis

897
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: or viagra, because not only is it the foulses of

898
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: teenage boys who she's able to make rise like the dead,

899
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: but it is also these cranes that they are right

900
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: to go up. Everything anything that can go up when

901
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Larti is around, it goes on her weaving her spell,

902
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: it will go up. And that is worth noting because

903
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: again here again is another hint that maybe there is

904
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: something supernatural going on.

905
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we're about to get as that very specific

906
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: point that you have about the way things change in

907
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: the environment of Lotty, whether it's wind or cranes or

908
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: bonus or all kinds of things, becomes even more relevant

909
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: as the episode kind of goes on. So in the wilderness,

910
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 2: they're getting ready to burn Jackie's body, and the JV squad,

911
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: I want to say, make a very good point. They're like,

912
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't we just take her clothes off because we need

913
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 2: clothes and we're in the wilderness, and Sean is like,

914
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: fuck you, you can't steal her clothes. I've been cutting

915
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: chunks out of her body and eating her ear. But

916
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 2: that's really cross in a line. And then we quickly,

917
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 2: we interestingly skip to the present day where we get

918
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: to see some big Shawna energy coming from Callie, who

919
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: is in a bar with her friend, abandons her friend

920
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 2: so she can chat to a mustachioed man at the bar,

921
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: and you know she wants she's flirting with him, and

922
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 2: she just spends two hours there just spilling her guts,

923
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: telling him everything. And it is big Shawna behavior because

924
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: guess what that man is a cop. He is investigating

925
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: her mom with cop Kevin.

926
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: Our good friend John Paul Reynolds. Drew Gardner from Search Party. Yes,

927
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: it was so good.

928
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: As soon as I saw him, I was like, this

929
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,439
Speaker 2: is immaculate, like star casting. Search Party is so good,

930
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: and he is so good in it, and he just

931
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: brings It's a different energy, but you still really get

932
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: that similar kind of vibe and it's so good. I

933
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: can't wait to see where this goes, because Callie obviously

934
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: sees him as a potential romantic partner, and as Cop

935
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 2: Kevin tells him, like, you can't just go around pretending

936
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 2: to be undercover, like at some point you're just gonna

937
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 2: be in this girl's house, like arresting her mum, Like, Yadi,

938
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,800
Speaker 2: where do you think this is going after?

939
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,760
Speaker 1: Honestly, with the way Cally is moving, having sex exactly

940
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: with her daughter then smoking mirajuana.

941
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: It's absolutely probably what's gonna happen. And also I love

942
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 2: that this is just another character, is another morally gray

943
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: like character who's obviously just gonna get completely swept up

944
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: in this kind of chaos of Shawna's family. And it

945
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: kind of blows my mind that from what we're hearing,

946
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 2: from the way Cop Kevin approaches it and the way

947
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 2: we see Cally approach it, it doesn't really seem like

948
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: Sean has been in the radar of the police before,

949
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: which blows my mind because she is, legitimately, let's put

950
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: it in a polite way, she's a very troubled individual. Yes,

951
00:53:55,640 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 2: and I believe that much of that trouble came from

952
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 2: that time in the world, and and it is she

953
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 2: who finally, you know, lights the pia and sets Jackie's

954
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 2: body on fire.

955
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this we are seeing now over

956
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the course of this season, just how troubled Shauna was.

957
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 1: Now her adult life is certainly dramatic and messy. She's

958
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: committed a murder, is her ongoing efforts to cover up

959
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: that murder, YadA, YadA, YadA. But the rest outside the murders,

960
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: it's just kind of it's just kind of like, you know,

961
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: adult drama and messiness. So I when or how did

962
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: this kind of almost psychosis around around Jackie. When did

963
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: it stop or even did it stop? And what things

964
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: that modern day Jackie are doing or what people that

965
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: modern day Jackie is interacting with are potentially not real

966
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: because it feels like or even is mada day Shauna

967
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: continue to speak with Jackie with a version of Jackie.

968
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 2: I think this is a huge question because we get

969
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: a hint even before Shawna kills Adam, we see her

970
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: kill that bunny in her garden. I think there has

971
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: always been a lingering effect of whatever she went through

972
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: in the wilderness that has stayed there, and a tendency

973
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: for violence that may have well been there before, because

974
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 2: we saw even before Jackie died, Shawna was the one

975
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: who was going to cut Travis's throat on the night

976
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 2: of doom coming. So I love the idea that it

977
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 2: really never stopped. She just got better at repressing it

978
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: or hiding that side of herself. And I think you

979
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: ask a great question about does Shawna still speak to Jackie?

980
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: I think that could be such a cool can seat

981
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: and a way to have an adult Jackie in the

982
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: season if we reveal that at times of stress or

983
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: maybe something that gets triggered as the show goes on,

984
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 2: that we see adult Shauna talking to adult Jackie. I

985
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 2: think that would just be so cool, especially because it's

986
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 2: the only way we're going to get to see her,

987
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: because Jackie is very much dead, and.

988
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: Is she seeing anything just generally that no one else

989
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: is seeing, Like what other things from her subconscious or

990
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: manifesting is real? I just wonder if that's continuing and

991
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: it feels like something we should try and keep track of.

992
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: I think that's a really smart point, especially because until

993
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: they had to dispose of his body at the end

994
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 2: of last season, I did wonder whether Adam was like

995
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: a figment of Shawna's imagination. You know, it was a

996
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: very private, separate relationship that no one else knew about.

997
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 2: And I was like, there's a version of this where

998
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: the relationship isn't happening or it was a one time thing.

999
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 2: But no, she killed him and then they chopped off

1000
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 2: up his body with a turkey electric turkey knife. Thanks Misty,

1001
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: that's a great idea. And speaking of delightful Misty, our

1002
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: secret hero of yellow Jackets, she gets a letter, which

1003
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: is of course in the most true crime lover courtship

1004
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: ever written in invisible ink. She has a UV torch

1005
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 2: and she reads it and she gets invited by her

1006
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 2: true crime buddy who stalked her to her work. So

1007
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 2: I would say, red flag, don't go, but I'm sure

1008
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: in Misty's eyes this is like green flag, definitely go.

1009
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 2: She is invited to play FBI agent with him. He

1010
00:57:45,880 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 2: wants her to pose as a federal agent so they

1011
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: can interview a man who is staying at the hotel

1012
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 2: with that sounds like it's going to go very badly

1013
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 2: for that man, but good for Misty. I'm sure that

1014
00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: the two of them will have a lot of fun.

1015
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: And now we've been waiting for it.

1016
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: I have to say I was not.

1017
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 2: Sure if it would happen this quickly.

1018
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 1: I didn't think it would have. I thought they might

1019
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: work up to it. But that bodes, I think, very

1020
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,439
Speaker 1: very well for the rest of the season. Now we're

1021
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: accelerating like this absolutely.

1022
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 2: So it's the evening of Jackie's cremation. Everyone has hidden

1023
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 2: themselves away in cozy corners of the cabin to wait

1024
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: until her body is you know, no more. And Nat

1025
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: and Travis start getting intimate. And while that seems very

1026
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: into it and is focused on Travis, who's obviously going

1027
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 2: through this great tragedy of losing his brother, Travis is

1028
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 2: just thinking about strange ghostly Lotty and it is very unsettling.

1029
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 2: It feels almost like some kind of astral projection. Lotty

1030
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: is watching over him in this kind of virginial white

1031
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 2: nightgown as they have sex, and it would have just

1032
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: been a kind of strangeh you know, bona vision oddity

1033
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 2: had it not directously. It directly leads into some very

1034
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: intentional and just brilliant cinematography of this almost sentient gust

1035
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: of wind flying through the woods.

1036
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 1: The wind again, the wind.

1037
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 2: Again, and it knocks a huge amount of snow onto

1038
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: Jackie's body, and as Nat and Travis continue to hook up,

1039
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 2: we see that the flames, rather than being you know,

1040
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 2: muted by the snow, instead begin to roar, and the

1041
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: snow pack on top of Jackie means that her body

1042
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: becomes beautifully steamed and baked. It's intentional.

1043
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Instead of being devoured by the fire, we've got a nice,

1044
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: you know, a a wonderful slow roast in which Jackie

1045
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: is kind of slow cooked in her own juices.

1046
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 2: And the snow is keeping her moist. And essentially what

1047
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: we have here, I think it is fair to say

1048
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: the wilderness serves Jackie up perfectly cooked. To the girls,

1049
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: and they wake up and they all say what is that?

1050
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 2: And it's unclear. It's the early hours of the morning, probably,

1051
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 2: and they're all awakened by this delightful scent of roasting

1052
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: meat and they rush outside and they all sort of

1053
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: look at the body and wonder whether they're going to

1054
01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 2: do what we all knew that they were going to

1055
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 2: eventually do. Seana touches her belly and she says, they

1056
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: want this too, talking about the baby, and then we

1057
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 2: get this really fun. It's great because This leans very

1058
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: much into the supernatural elements and the mythological elements of

1059
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 2: the show, but Kosher runner who wrote this episode, Nathan Lisco,

1060
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 2: has confirmed that this is more about delusion and allowing

1061
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 2: themselves to do what they need to do. So we

1062
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 2: get this great moment of all of the survivors in

1063
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: this Grecian finery, at this grape filled table full of

1064
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 2: dried fruits and delicious meats and wines, and as that

1065
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 2: version of them begins to touch the food on the table,

1066
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 2: we see Seana reach for her knife and cut a

1067
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,560
Speaker 2: chunk out of Jackie and she eats it, and the

1068
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: feast begins.

1069
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Coach Ben, who he's think he's he terrified, flees from

1070
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: the scene because he has to think I'm next.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it has to be absolutely I have to say,

1072
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 2: if we're talking about strategy here, I think Coach Ben

1073
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: flopped this one hard. I know it's a scary sight.

1074
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 2: There's like twenty kids. They're just feasting on body. They're

1075
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 2: eating all the body. They got their faces in there,

1076
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: they're eating the organs, they're covered in meat. But you

1077
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,800
Speaker 2: know what, if you're trying to survive, I would have

1078
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 2: just gone over there and like pretended to eat some

1079
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 2: pretendious might just been like, oh yeah, delicious, I'm going

1080
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 2: inside now, A bit tired, bit tired of these crutches,

1081
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: he just breezes. Also, will just say lots of interesting

1082
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: Ben character work because Ben didn't stop them from putting

1083
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: Jackie outside, which is basically when he lost the juice

1084
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 2: to tell them to do anything, so he has a

1085
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 2: lot of guilt around that. Then this episode, he doesn't

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01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 2: do a good job of getting Seanna out of there,

1087
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 2: even though he is the adult you know, inverted commas,

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01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 2: he is the oldest person there, and then he doesn't

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 2: go over and say, oh my god, what are you doing?

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Speaker 2: This is terrible, like that's your friend, which I do

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01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: believe in that moment could arguably have woken them out

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01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 2: of this kind of group delusion. Instead, he just hides.

1093
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: So it's very interesting. But yeah, I agree with you,

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01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: he's next. I mean, odds on Ben surviving this without

1095
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 2: getting eaten have just dropped exponentially.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, because you know, when you're hungry

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Speaker 1: and then you eat. I would imagine much like the

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: like the act of sexual union, which this feast was

1099
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: definitely a metaphor for and has been a metaphor for

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Speaker 1: over the course of this series. I wonder if there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a moment of reflection once they've eaten

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: absolutely reaction is going to be I also like, holy

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01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: shit with that.

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Speaker 2: I also think they're going to be very sick because

1105
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 2: think about if you haven't eaten for a long time,

1106
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,320
Speaker 2: even eating the smallest amount of food can be really hard,

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01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: let alone eat in human flesh. I also think this

1108
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 2: sets up a very interesting duel kind of sliding doors.

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Speaker 2: Obviously not a rom com situation going forward, which is

1110
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Speaker 2: anything that happened before this, we had the argument is

1111
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: it supernatural? Is it you know?

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Speaker 1: Real?

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01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 2: I think after this that question is going to become

1114
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: even more blood because one of the scientific takeaways that

1115
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 2: they've done from the very small studies of people who

1116
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 2: eat humans is it can give you a brain infection

1117
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 2: called kuru, and that brain infection can make you hallucinate,

1118
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 2: it can make you ill, it can make you experience

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01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 2: all kinds of terrible things. So I also think that

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Speaker 2: now that they've eaten Jackie and they've eaten this flesh,

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01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 2: it's going to be very hard for us to know

1122
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 2: what isn't isn't real from here on out because it's

1123
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 2: probably going to affect them and as we know, this

1124
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: isn't going to be the last time that they do this.

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Speaker 1: What Okay, let's unpack some of the supernatural stuff in this,

1126
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: because I guess we're leaning now towards either there's some

1127
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: very very persistent and severe mental illness that everybody is

1128
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: kind of having, like a like a shared delusion of.

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01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 2: That, and we're not getting and we're not getting we

1130
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: are getting unreliable narratives in that case, because I think

1131
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 2: something the biggest argument here for the supernatural is the

1132
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: snowpack falling on the tree seeming intentional. I do truly

1133
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 2: believe there is a version of the end of this

1134
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 2: season and or the next season where weelan actually that

1135
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,160
Speaker 2: was a group of the girls who went out and

1136
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: prepared Jackie and they basically just oh, something magical happened,

1137
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 2: and that was that it was meant to be. That's

1138
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 2: why they can't.

1139
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: Admit to themselves that they went that they actually actually

1140
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: went out and yeah, and intended to eat their friend.

1141
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me as well.

1142
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,360
Speaker 1: That and and as we saw from the episode, they

1143
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: kind of participate in this grand hallucination in order to

1144
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: make the eating of Jackie kind of okay. So I

1145
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: think that there is something to that, but it still

1146
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 1: feels like, gosh, every time we are coming along to

1147
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,560
Speaker 1: a murder, their sex involved, and then there's some sort

1148
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: of gust of wind or something that happens.

1149
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 2: Very ritualistic.

1150
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, very ritualistic. And I really still I can't wait

1151
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: to find out what the fuck is going exactly?

1152
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 2: Can we? The big question is are they going to

1153
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: be able to long it out like successfully and keep

1154
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 2: people engaged. Is it gonna be the Twin Peaks problem

1155
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 2: where they told they have to solve it too quickly,

1156
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: or is it going to be the Lost problem where

1157
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: they have it almost go on for so long that

1158
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: people start to, you know, become confused or questioning about

1159
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,440
Speaker 2: what the real outcome is. I'm very interested to see

1160
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: because I do think if you just go by what

1161
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: we're shown this episode, I think you could say something

1162
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: supernatural is happening. Lottie saw a ghost of laural Ley,

1163
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: Lotty felt like the crane was taken up without her

1164
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 2: to kill Travis. So in that case, what is the supernatural?

1165
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: Is it?

1166
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 2: This idea of the wilderness. Is it a cult that

1167
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: already exists in this space that is using these kids

1168
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 2: as sacrifices. Is this something that they've almost manifested themselves

1169
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 2: just out of a need to survive. I'm very interested

1170
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 2: to see where it goes, because at the moment, it's

1171
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 2: just really cool, brave storytelling. And I totally agree with you.

1172
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 2: It bodes very well that they did not wait until

1173
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 2: the finale and keep teasing this idea of cannibalism. Instead,

1174
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 2: they just went for it. They were like, it's happened.

1175
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: Now here's the fallout, and there's still you know, you're

1176
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 2: only two episodes into the season.

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: Do you think there's gonna be a bad guy? Because

1178
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: I was really leaning towards Lotti created this cult, and

1179
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that's going on now is

1180
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: because of Lottie's cult, and she's continued to pull the

1181
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: strings with Tie and with others and maybe in ways

1182
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: that they don't even understand that they're being manipulated. But

1183
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: after this episode, I'm honestly not I know, I think,

1184
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: but it still feels like there's there's somebody's group of

1185
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: other people. Yeah, that is that is behind some of

1186
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 1: this stuff.

1187
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: I think that Lotti seems to be the obvious option,

1188
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 2: but I do agree that after this episode, I think

1189
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,840
Speaker 2: Lotti believes in this stuff because she believes it is protection.

1190
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 2: I actually believed when she told Nat that her she

1191
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 2: sent the people there to help her and it was

1192
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: just kind of this bad organization. I am a believer

1193
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 2: that Shawna could be the one who was the aunt

1194
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 2: the queen that we first saw in the first season,

1195
01:08:16,520 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: and that Shawna has some deeper involvement in all of this,

1196
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: because she's just like a chaotic void at the center

1197
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 2: of all of the problems that are going on. I

1198
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 2: also do believe I'm leaning more into the idea that

1199
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 2: there might be an unseen figure or an unseen group

1200
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 2: that we're yet to meet, the people who put the

1201
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 2: symbol there in the first place, in the cabin, the

1202
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: ones who were connected to the dead man in the

1203
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:44,280
Speaker 2: attic when they first found it. I think there might

1204
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,560
Speaker 2: be a big pull out from the camera where we

1205
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 2: kind of get a bigger picture scene that some other

1206
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 2: people are involved. But I can't wait to see, Well.

1207
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, we're going to continue our coverage of this truly

1208
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: appalling an intriguing show. Up next nerd Out.

1209
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,

1210
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 2: am why, or share a theory that you're really excited about,

1211
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 2: Danielle shares our first Yellow Jackets theory, which I mean

1212
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: that's a big success. This is a big milestone for

1213
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: us because we get a lot of the comic book

1214
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 2: the TV theories, but Yellow Jackets this is a first.

1215
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: Danielle opens with I am freaking out thinking of the

1216
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,240
Speaker 1: new Red Shirt girl, Crystal, who likes to sing. She

1217
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: entices Misty with the opportunity to harmonize. I thought that

1218
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: the creepy Satan Girls choir, a phrase coined credit to

1219
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: Kelly Anakin of the Blood High podcast, was just for

1220
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 1: a dramatic music effect. Now I wonder if Misty and

1221
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 1: her new duet partner are actually going to be responsible

1222
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 1: for inventing and performing said creepy vocalizations as part of

1223
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:02,920
Speaker 1: the ritual. Oh what if Crystal, who loves drama Club,

1224
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: is also responsible for the production of the rituals from

1225
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:12,680
Speaker 1: costuming to stage production. Thank you, Danielle Rickard. I this

1226
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: is great.

1227
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 2: This is so legit because think about this, we already

1228
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 2: had that group delusion. They're wearing the Grecian outfits that

1229
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 2: made them feel like everything was okay. There's a version

1230
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 2: of this where Chrystal and Misty. We know, Misty's kind

1231
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 2: of on the outs of this. She just does it

1232
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: whatever's going to get her in with the group and

1233
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 2: keep her surviving. There's definitely a version where they sort

1234
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 2: of put these on as plays so they feel like,

1235
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 2: you know, when you take off the mask, you're no

1236
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 2: longer that character. It's the same way that slasher movie

1237
01:10:42,160 --> 01:10:44,759
Speaker 2: killers often wear masks. They can't kill without the mask.

1238
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 2: I think there is a lot to this, and I

1239
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 2: think we could really see it become quite a prominent

1240
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 2: part of where the story goes.

1241
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot to this too, and it really makes

1242
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: me think of something that I was kind of like

1243
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 1: knocking around in my head during our conversation, which is,

1244
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: no one knows what happened in the woods, and there

1245
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:06,799
Speaker 1: was a there are a lot of people there, including

1246
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: people who you know we're just meeting now, part of

1247
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: like the core group, which means they really really stayed

1248
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 1: strong and no one spoke to anyone, which makes me

1249
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: wonder like if this kind of shared hallucination that they

1250
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 1: participated in if they're almost continuing to do it in

1251
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: their adulthood. You know, it just feels like maybe they

1252
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 1: are the secret villain, because it's really incredible that none

1253
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: of them have ever told the story. That's like the

1254
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 1: fact that it must get really fucking crazy for none

1255
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 1: of them to have ever told.

1256
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:45,679
Speaker 2: Right, the shame and the horror of what they Yeah. Also,

1257
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 2: I wonder is there someone like Misty who's very smart.

1258
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 2: I understand why Nat thought of this in those first

1259
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: episodes of the first season. Maybe there's someone like Misty

1260
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: who kept proof to keep everyone quiet, to you know,

1261
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 2: protect everyone. Maybe there's somebody who has the tools to say, well,

1262
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 2: if you try and talk about it, then I can

1263
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,639
Speaker 2: prove that you were just as culpable as everyone else.

1264
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 2: And if she was part of this costuming and development,

1265
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: part of the rituals, that would have probably been quite

1266
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,320
Speaker 2: easy for her to keep.

1267
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too. Wow, so exciting.

1268
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 2: You're blowing our mind.

1269
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: That was so good, Danielle. If you have theories or

1270
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: passions you want to share, hit us up at x

1271
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 1: RAYCUCA dot com instructions or in the show notes. Well

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01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 1: that's it for us, Rosie. Any plugs, plugs Pug Pok Pok, Plugs, Plugs.

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Speaker 2: You can find me here twice a week. It's always

1274
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 2: talking about core stuff. I'm covering Yellow Jackets every week

1275
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,839
Speaker 2: at IGN. You can read all kinds of cool stories

1276
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,839
Speaker 2: and theories there. You can find me at Rosie Marx

1277
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 2: on Instagram and letterbox And yeah, what about watching Primo

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Speaker 2: May nineteen?

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01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: Hey, Primo May nineteenth on Amazon freeb wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your free V or Amazon, that's where you can watch it.

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Speaker 1: this current podcast on which we are speaking. Catch the

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Speaker 1: next episode of X ray Vision on Friday, April seventh

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Speaker 1: for more of the Mandalorian and our coverage of the

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Speaker 1: two episode finale of The Bad Batch End. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: we're bringing you two episodes a week. That's twice the

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Speaker 1: Tinfoil Hat Theories twice, the Roaster Jackie twice, the Deep

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Speaker 1: Dives twice, the Everything.

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Speaker 2: And you can subscribe on YouTube to watch twice the Everything.

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Speaker 2: Plus you can follow us at xr v pot on

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Speaker 2: Twitter and check out the discord to hang out with

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Speaker 2: us amazing listeners and fans who're just always talking about

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Speaker 2: cool stuff, recommending cool things to watch and do. It's

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Speaker 2: a total riot and.

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Speaker 1: Five star ratings. We eat them, we gotta have them.

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Speaker 1: You gotta give up to us. Here's Big rob Fit.

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Speaker 1: Need them on, have gotta have them? Yes, thank you,

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Speaker 1: Big rub Fit.

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Speaker 2: We listen, We love it. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is a Crooked Media production. The show

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Speaker 1: is produced by Chris Lord and Soul Rubin. The show

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Speaker 1: is executive produced by myself and Sandy Grohard are editing

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Speaker 1: in sound design. Who's by Vacillius Patopoulos. Dilon Villanueva and

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Speaker 1: Matt Degroup provide video production support. Alex Rella for handle

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Speaker 1: social media. Thank you, Brian Veasquez for theme music. See

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Speaker 1: you next time, your pologe Sorrach