1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 1: And evolks. Sit is Sunday, November ninth, and be straight 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: with you, Robot and I have had a very difficult 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: time in conversations today about this story and what to 4 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: make of it. Hollywood superstar Jeremy Renner has been accused 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 1: of some atrocious behavior and we're not exactly sure what 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: it is. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rod. 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: You didn't know how we're going to start this, but 8 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: is that we see headlines, but then we read details 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: and we're trying to make sense of this story. But 10 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: some very serious allegations, including of a non consensual sexual encounter. 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: And that's been a lot of our debate here. So 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 2: we've got a Now, I guess her birthday is today? 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: You said, yes, yesterday? 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 2: Eight year old yesterday. So thirty eight year old Asian 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 2: filmmaker who is claiming and the way she puts it 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: is that they had a non consensual sexual encounter that 17 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: turned consensual. And that's a confusing statement in and of itself. 18 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 2: Is she claiming that he raped her? Is she claiming 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: that he's sexually assaulted her? Is she stating something now 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: with the context of him not wanting a further relationship 21 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 2: with her, the regret she had, it's hard to know 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 2: where it all, where it falls. There's a big gray area. 23 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so we want to deal with let's get away 24 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: from interpretation or trying to understand what somebody might be 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: trying to say. We'll just tell you exactly what she 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: is saying. And the film director we're talking about here 27 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: is Yee Joe. She's not someone necessarily that's a household 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: name that you will know. She has very limited credits, 29 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: if you will, as a director, but she's putting together 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: a couple of films now, including one that Jeremy Rinner 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: voiced a character in that's an animated film, and then 32 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: another a documentary she's doing about Disney that he did 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: an interview for. 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: So yes, yes, he was actually just he did a 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 2: kind of a quick interview, I believe, where he was 36 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: describing the accident, the life threatening accident he had in 37 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three where he broke thirty eight bones in 38 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: a snowplowing accident. So yes, he lented his interview to 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,959 Speaker 2: that and his voice to another project. 40 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the extent of their relationship. And now 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: because of that introduction, if you will. She is alleging Robes, 42 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure I get the facts right. 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: She's alleging that he wanted to call or threatened to 44 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: call Ice on her, threatened that their first encounter sexual 45 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: encounter was non consensual, that he had threatening behavior to 46 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: the point that she locked herself in a room and 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: was afraid to come out. This was at his home 48 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 1: to have that right after he had a bottle of 49 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: wine and was drunk that night. Am I missing something? 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:52,559 Speaker 2: And she also claims that he sent her sexually explicit photos, 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: so unwanted unsolicited sexually explicit photos over. 52 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 1: To So to set that stage, I want to start. 53 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: We're gonna read through it, and she we should say Robes. 54 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: She has been for a week now sending almost or 55 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: posting non stop about this about him and making clear 56 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: she wants his career. 57 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 2: Over because at the end, and there are several several 58 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: Instagram posts that she's put out there, but she has 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: a lot of hashtags and the first hashtag on all 60 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: of them is cancel Jeremy Runner. So she has a 61 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: specific goal in mind. 62 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Sure, So this is up. We're just setting the stage. 63 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm reading verbatim one of her posts Robes as I 64 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: would say, maybe up to twenty, and they have long, 65 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: long messages attached to them. Some of them just say 66 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: cancel as the image or a couple of other ones. 67 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: I think one says domestic violence. Several of them say cancel. Actually, 68 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: but she has life in death. 69 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: She she actually points to a girl who died by suicide. 70 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,119 Speaker 2: She claims she died by suicide after attending a Jeffrey 71 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: Renner sorry Jeremy Renner orgy. She's making all of these 72 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: wild accusations, so. 73 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: Let's just start. I'm just gonna read this as just 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: setting the stage. Quote. At the early stage of our exchanges, 75 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I received unsolicited intimate photos and messages that were uninvited 76 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: and inappropriate. The first physical encounter was not consensual. I 77 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: asked for more time and gentleness, but my boundaries were 78 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: not respected. Later interactions became consensual, yet the earlier incident 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,359 Speaker 1: remained deeply distressing. That's just what he said. She said. 80 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: People can come to whatever conclusion and try to interpret that. 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: But Robes, the first physical encounter was not consensual. Is 82 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: that anything short of a sexual assault? 83 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: That seems like a crime. The way she worded it, 84 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: the way she phrased it that would be something that, 85 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 2: if it were true, would be a criminal act. Correct. Yes, 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 2: And it's interesting because you mentioned her Instagram some of 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: the other words that she used in some of her 88 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: posts love versus fling. She was very upset that his 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: side described it as a fleeing or as a one off, 90 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 2: where she in all of these posts talks about their 91 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 2: relationship as being a love relationship, something much more serious 92 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: than he's acknowledged it. 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Okay, and to that point did she not. I'm not 94 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: sure how recently this was, but she put out messages, 95 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: She put out Instagram posts not just suggesting but saying 96 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: that she was involved with Jeremy Renner. 97 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: She believes, according to her Instagram post and certainly what 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: she has written, she believed and believes that they were 99 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: in a relationship and that is not what Jeremy Renner's 100 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 2: team is saying. 101 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: So and reminder, if you all do not know Jeremy Renner, Yes, 102 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: Hawkeye from the Marvel franchise, but he is much more 103 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: than the Hawkeye from the Marvel franchise roads. Those are 104 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: enormous movies, so that makes him a worldwide superstar. But 105 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 1: this dude has some acting Chops credentials and bona fides 106 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: to his name. 107 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely. The hurt Locker heard of that. Yes, and he 108 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: was nominated for an Academy Award. 109 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: For that the best Actor. That's not that's a big deal. 110 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: It's a huge every time he is mentioned or introduced 111 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: in any room he is Academy Award nominated, Oscar nominated 112 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: actor Jeremy Renner the Town, Ben Affleck. 113 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: Next year, Damon Very next year. 114 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Yes, these are huge movie franchises. He is a household 115 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: name and he certainly he's not just respected for being 116 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: some hunky leading man. He is absolutely given a lot 117 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: of bona fides for his acting Chops, and. 118 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: We should mention it as well. The last several mission 119 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: Impossible movies with Tom Cruise, he was added to that franchise. 120 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: So we mentioned that to say, this is a ginormous 121 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: Hollywood superstar who is being accused robes of I hate 122 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: trying to interpret what somebody is saying, but when you 123 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: say that your physical encounter was not consensual, you are 124 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: saying that you were violated. You were saying that you 125 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: were raped, you were saying that you were sexually assaulted 126 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: in some way. That is criminal. And she is saying 127 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: this happened in recent. 128 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: Months in July is what she is saying. So according 129 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: to both of them, I believe she's acknowledged this as well. 130 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: Their first meeting where they actually met one on one. 131 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 2: She lives in la he lives in Reno, but they 132 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: had sex that night, So their first night that they 133 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: actually physically met, they actually had sex. Jeremy Renner's team 134 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 2: says it was consensual. She is now saying it was 135 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: not consensual. 136 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: But she is saying that a relationship continued. And we're 137 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: going to read some of her messages here that suggests 138 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: robes that she was in a loving or thought she 139 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: was in a loving relationship. She talks about how she 140 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: still loves him even. 141 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: Which is bizarre. If you love someone and then the 142 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: first hashtag you have at the bottom of your Instagram 143 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: is cancel Jeremy Renner. This is a very bizarre case. 144 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 2: And I will say we'll get into the details of 145 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,680 Speaker 2: what she put out on Instagram, but her defense and 146 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:41,719 Speaker 2: her receipts, she keeps calling them of text messages on 147 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 2: WhatsApp that she's putting out there on her Instagram account. 148 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: First of all, can't be verified, obviously, but also have 149 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 2: certain very important things cut off, and she puts pictures 150 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 2: out there that show him bizarrely sitting on a couch 151 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: that makes it look like she's proving, see, I was 152 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 2: with him in real life, here I am with him, 153 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: Like she's almost wanting to prove to everyone that she 154 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: did physically know him and had him in close proximity 155 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:10,839 Speaker 2: in a living room setting that somehow that proves what 156 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 2: she's saying. 157 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: I mean, she's trying to make her case on social media, 158 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: which is not obviously anybody who suggests a good idea, 159 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: but she is continuing on and on. You all, We're 160 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: talking about almost volumes of texts of Instagram posts she's 161 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: putting out trying to make her case. We should robes 162 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: right now before we get into more of what she 163 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: put out on Instagram to say what he and his 164 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: lawyer they have absolutely responded and responded stroggly. The cease 165 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: and desist letters are flying back and forth between these folks, 166 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 1: But he and his lawyer are absolutely defending him in 167 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the strongest of ways. 168 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: Yes, he says that these are false, outrageous, and highly 169 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: defamatory statements. Here is what his attorney said. The true 170 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: facts are that Miss Joe has relentlessly and aggressively harassed 171 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 2: and pursued my client for months with no reciprocation on 172 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 2: my client's part other than a single brief encounter on 173 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 2: July twelfth, twenty twenty five. 174 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: And we're bring that right. They're acknowledging, and they call it, 175 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: probably intentionally a brief encounter versus a sexual encounter. But 176 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: we're supposed to assume that that's what it was. Are 177 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: we reading this the same? 178 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 2: That's exactly how I read it. And then they talk 179 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: about how she was sending him hundreds of messages, sexually 180 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: explicit messages expressing her love so from Joe to Renner. 181 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: They claim they have these, and they also said that 182 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: she aggressively pursued a sexual romantic sexting relationship and has 183 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 2: manufactured fake and outlandis claims to generate publicity for her projects. 184 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: I mentioned the hashtags. They all begin with cancel Jeremy Renner, 185 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 2: but they all include hashtag of the names of her 186 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: two projects that she'd like people to check out. 187 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do with that? 188 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: Though? It's a tough thing to do if you're And 189 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: then she also has hashtag survivor. So you're claiming and fine, 190 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 2: she's claiming that she was raped. Let's just be honest. 191 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: That is what she's claiming. She wants everyone to cancel 192 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner. She wants everyone to acknowledge her as a survivor. 193 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,959 Speaker 2: And she's also then at the same time, in the 194 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: same breath, promoting her projects. That's tough. 195 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: What's the I don't know what here's supposed to do? 196 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: I mean, she's can you do both? You know what 197 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: you can, You should be allowed to, but you have 198 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: to also understand the optics. That's fair. You could do 199 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: it and she could be sense. 200 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: You can do whatever you'd like. 201 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: You to understand. 202 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 2: Take away, Yes, what they will based on their questioning motive. 203 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: They're questioning why. So there are a couple of questions 204 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 2: as to whether or not she felt who knows her 205 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 2: ego got bruise, she got rejected, it could or something 206 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: areas could have happened, like it's one or the other. 207 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: And also she's taking advantage potentially of a situation where 208 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: she's trying she claims to be transparent, set the record straight. 209 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 2: She says she doesn't want to cause any harm. She 210 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: said she doesn't want to vilify him. She wants to 211 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: be transparent, right, is that what the word she will use. 212 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: She wants to be transparency. This is not retaliation. 213 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 2: This retaliation that was the word I was sarching for. 214 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 2: She didn't want to be retaliatory, but she just wanted 215 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 2: to be transparent. That's fine. I just think it's definitely 216 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 2: a little bit difficult to swallow when you then are 217 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 2: also promoting projects. 218 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's fair enough. I think yeah, if that's uh, 219 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: that doesn't have to be our opinion. That's fair to 220 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: acknowledge that. Of course, people going to look at that way, 221 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: and as we start sharing her messages here, it is 222 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: going to come up, and it does. She I think 223 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: every single message includes a mention, and it's not just 224 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: a mention of the movie, it's the actual tag to 225 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: the Yes. 226 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: It's clearly she has the She has basically has the 227 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: Instagram handle for all of her projects, so that if 228 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 2: you're on her Instagram page and you're looking at her accusations, 229 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: within the accusations within the narrative, she does have links 230 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: to her project. 231 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Doesn't change her truth, does it not? It doesn't, it does. 232 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 2: But it would allow or at least I'm sure some 233 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: folks it would. 234 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: It's an easy opening to. 235 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: Question the motivation. 236 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: Easy. 237 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 2: I also don't know. Here's what I don't know. She 238 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: has one point eight million followers on Instagram right now. 239 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if that was the case before she 240 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: started making these accusations. Not sure, no idea what her 241 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 2: Instagram was beforehand. But she has a significant following. 242 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was. She's spen termed a what certainly a 243 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: filmmaker but before this and influencer I believe online as well. 244 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: So some of her we're going to hear. This kind 245 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: of sets the stage. This first one we're going to 246 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: read and again, folks, we are going to read just 247 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: verbatim what she wrote and what her words are. This one, 248 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: another one kind of sets the stage. Here you wanted 249 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: to end? Where is it you take this? Can you 250 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: take that first one? In ten thousand? 251 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 2: Yes? G June twenty twenty five, out of the blue, 252 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: I received two photos of Jeremy Renner and then a 253 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: string of unwonted, unsolicited pornographic images of himself via DM 254 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 2: and WhatsApp. That was his introduction to me in the 255 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 2: same way, according to past media reports, I subsequently discovered 256 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: he shared with other women in the past as self 257 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: intro After having calls and text discussions, he allured me 258 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: and sold me that he is looking for a relation 259 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: and of course seduced flattered that he was a Hollywood 260 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 2: star fantasizing and loving me so much, I believed in 261 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 2: him the power of love and embarked on the most 262 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: difficult months plus two Oscar running projects. I kindly invited 263 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: him to be a part. Subsequently, I discovered to be 264 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: destroyed by a setup smear fans campaign against me and 265 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 2: our two projects. This is alarming to know on Hollywood 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: we can still act in such manner. I'm worried for 267 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: other women who will be victim and might have been 268 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: victim being used as a sexual object. 269 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: Okay, every word of it's true. What if every word 270 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: are we supposed to How do we look at something 271 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: when somebody's saying they are a victim of a powerful man. 272 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: How are we supposed to look at that? How do 273 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: we scrutinize without then discouraging other women who are absolute 274 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: victims from coming forward? 275 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: So I think this is a little bit different TJ. 276 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: So just by what she wrote, may I point out, yes, 277 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 2: that she claims to have gotten unwanted, unsolicited, sexually explicit 278 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: photos from Jeremy Renner. 279 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: I know where you're going. 280 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: She did not need to respond. She did not need 281 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: to reply, and she certainly did not need to then 282 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: ask him to be a part of her project. 283 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: This is where I pumped her choices. Okay, choices, who 284 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: are pumped the brakes? A a n upcoming, a starving 285 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: artist who wants an opportunity to work with that guy? 286 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: What then that allure that draw? I'm saying someone will 287 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: point to that and say, hey, he drew her in. 288 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: He's a powerful man. We've seen this all before. 289 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: But if he did what she said he did, and 290 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: he very well may have, she knew what she was 291 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: walking into. He didn't send her flattering text saying I 292 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: really liked your work or I saw what you did here. 293 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: I think you're an interesting person. Let's meet up. He's 294 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: if it's true, because we don't know that that he 295 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 2: sent her these, and he denies it, flatly denies sending 296 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: her sexually explicit photos. Absolutely, But if he did do that, 297 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 2: I would just say she's at the time, she was 298 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: thirty seven years old. What did she think she was 299 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: entering into. What kind of a professional relationship did she 300 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: think would be expected. I'm just saying we have to 301 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: at least acknowledge she's a grown ass woman. She's not 302 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, she's not nineteen years old. And 303 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 2: if all of what she says is true, she chose 304 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: to engage with him, and she chose to invite him 305 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: to be a part of her projects. 306 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: Okay, fine, fine to all of that. Now we get 307 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: to the next thing. Let's say she just made a 308 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: bad decision. Let's say, okay, he sent her these messages, 309 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: that's true, unsolicit pornographic images sent them, She got drawn in. 310 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: That still doesn't mean the non consensual encounter did not happen. 311 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: So if it happened, look, I appreciate and I understand 312 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,959 Speaker 2: that women feel concerned and upset and scared to say 313 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 2: and point to someone who is powerful. Going to police 314 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: isn't always an option. It doesn't feel like an option. 315 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 2: So I get that. I guess a lot of folks 316 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: would just question her choice to then continue in a 317 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 2: romantic relationship with him. If that's your first encounter, your 318 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 2: first physical encounter with somebody, after they've already sent you 319 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: sexually explicit emails, and then the first physical encounter you 320 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 2: have with them, you say that you were forced into 321 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: a sexual encounter that you did not consent to. Then 322 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: you're going to continue to converse with this person and 323 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: invite them to be a part of your projects and 324 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: then say you had consensual relationship with them afterwards. That's 325 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 2: just a tough thing for I think anyone to get 326 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: their head around. 327 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: But now here we are Jeremy Rinner Oscar nominee has 328 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: been accused of sexually assaulting someone, yes. 329 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: And threatening to call ice on them, and also sending 330 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 2: explicit photos. So it's a multitude of of harassment. 331 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: Oh, I am glad you mentioned I Stay here, folks, 332 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: we're going to tell tell you about the ice threat, 333 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: the one that's making so many headlines out there. Exactly 334 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: what did he say? And actually why didn't she say 335 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: more about that particular incident. Also, folks, we're gonna go through. 336 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: We're gonna go through as quickly as we can. Some 337 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: of her other messages, we don't need to interpret them 338 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: for you. We're just gonna let you hear them for yourself. 339 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: All right, folks, woke back, We continue you here, Amy 340 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 1: and TJ with Jeremy Renner of the accusations coming at 341 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,879 Speaker 1: him from a filmmaker a Yeezuo, a thirty eight year 342 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: old filmmaker working on a documentary and also an animated 343 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: show that he or movie that he was a part of, 344 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: now accusing him of a non consensual sexual encounter. And 345 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: she claimed ropes from her instan post, this was her boyfriend, 346 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: was it not? 347 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: She definitely it seems from the posts from what she 348 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: had put up that she believed that she and Jeremy 349 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: Renner were in a romantic relationship. 350 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: Now, a lot of the headlines robes, I think it 351 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: might have been you brought this story to my attention, 352 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: like you're not going to believe this, And I think 353 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,719 Speaker 1: one of the big headlines was this, Yes, this Chinese 354 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: is her Chinese filmmaker, she's the Chinese. So one of 355 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: the things, one of the accusations, you're going to see 356 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: this in a lot of headlines, Jeremy Renner threatens to 357 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: call ice on Chinese filmmaker. That's I'm not sure if 358 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: that's true, because we see the post she makes robes, yes, 359 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: and she says something, but she excuse me, she didn't 360 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: say She shows but didn't show enough. 361 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: So I'll actually tell you exactly what her and you 362 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 2: all can check it out for yourself and her Instagram page. 363 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 2: But she says, please see written rights. The denial is 364 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 2: bad conduct giving all the documents and communications produced. What 365 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: she produced is a It looks like a WhatsApp back 366 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: and forth, and it says Jeremy Renner. It shows her saying, 367 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 2: go to hell. All names are given. You are a pig. 368 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 2: You use all apps to send dick picks. No one 369 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: said anything so far. And then you see at the 370 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: very bottom, so this is supposedly from Jeremy Renner where 371 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: he writes immigration will be notified of your But then 372 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: it's cut off and clearly there is another sentence. You 373 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 2: can see the tops of the letters. But she chose 374 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: not to include the rest of what he responded to 375 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: her with, and yet made the claim that he threatened 376 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: to call Ice on her, so that one line immigration 377 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: will be notified of your But then she like, why 378 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: wouldn't she show the second line number one, number two? 379 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: We don't obviously have verification that this text exchange is real. 380 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: That is such a you new folks are going to 381 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: run with that headline threatens to call ice at this 382 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: time and day, and all those headlines. 383 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 2: It makes him look like a total asshole on top 384 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: of being potentially a sexual predator. 385 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: And again, all of that stuff about him could be true, 386 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: but it's so difficult. Roads. We've talked about these so often. 387 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: When it comes to this, you can't you can't put 388 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: this genie back in that bottle. Once somebody has attached 389 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: to Jeremy Renner, he's a potential rapist, He's a potential 390 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: guy who is trying to get a woman deported. Those 391 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: are the headlines. How do you put that back in? 392 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't know? And how do you have this discussion roads? 393 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. There are real 394 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: victims out there who are not coming forward and they 395 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 1: watch a story like this, and what are they supposed 396 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 1: to do. 397 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 2: It's frustrating because look, I it's tough. We don't know 398 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 2: what the truth is and that's the problem. But when 399 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: you do have questionable behavior, and we're going to read 400 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: a couple of these questionable posts that she made on 401 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: Instagram that that do leave you wondering what actually is 402 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: going on? And I think it's fair to question. I 403 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: think we yes, we want to believe women. Yes, we 404 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: want to believe their stories. I obviously want to be 405 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: we are on that page. And yet when you still 406 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 2: have to give, it's not fair to have Jeremy Renner 407 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 2: immediately assume to be the worst person, to assume that 408 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: he did these things, assume that he must be guilty, 409 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: even if he is a player, even if he is 410 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 2: a ladies man, whatever you want to assign to it. 411 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,120 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that he is a sexual predator. 412 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 1: But if we assume he's not guilty, that means we 413 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: are assuming she's not telling the truth. And if you 414 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: do that, we have a problem. I don't know, Rodes. 415 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: We've talked about these planning and I don't know what 416 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: way to go and how to do it. But we'll 417 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: continue talking. Let's take and folks, we'll just go through 418 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: and we'll just give you verbatim the post that she read, 419 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: this first one here is from she thanks a reporter, 420 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: this was bizarre, but this is a tabloid reporter. But 421 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: she was speaking very highly and thanking these folks for 422 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: reporting her story. 423 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: Yes, and to be like really pointed this was a tabloid. 424 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,679 Speaker 2: She says, thank you tabloid for letting me tell my story, 425 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 2: a story of survival against domestic aggression, porn abuse and 426 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: abuse of workplace and abuse as a woman. I'm sure 427 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: there will be many other stories who will come forward, 428 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 2: and I really invite the ones that have not spoken 429 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: to speak up. Our projects and all the people that 430 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 2: have worked really hard and that are a part of 431 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 2: the project will also survive the storm. 432 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: This next one here, Robe is a this was You've 433 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: you and I probably talked about this exchange more than anyo. 434 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, because this one to me was eye opening and 435 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: it speaks to where her head was. And again, let's 436 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: just like reiterate. They met in July and both of 437 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: them have agreed they had a sexual encounter, and he 438 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 2: claims that was it. They met once again in August, 439 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 2: but nothing happened and physically between the two of them. 440 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: In fact, he claims he rejected her. So she says, 441 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 2: and she writes, I believed in a Disney fairy tale 442 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: when Jeremy Renner reached out to me and pursued me, 443 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: I thought, until recently love was pure and his accident 444 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 2: made him a new person. Therefore, and then she this 445 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 2: is when she chronicles of Disney and Stardust future movie. 446 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: Those are her two projects included him and the fairy 447 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: Tale I Believed In was interwoven in the two works. 448 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 2: Oh that seems I don't I don't want to put it. 449 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: It makes you question her story. 450 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: Out of the blue, I received two photos of Jeremy 451 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: Renner and then a string of unwanted, unsolicited pornographic images 452 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: of him. I believed in a Disney fairy tale when 453 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner reached out to me and pursued me. She's 454 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: describing the exact same moment in two very different ways 455 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: by her own words. I am not I want to 456 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: give her every benefit of the doubt. I'm only reading 457 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: what she's saying. 458 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 2: Rob So which one is true? And can they both 459 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 2: be true? 460 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: He reached out to me messages previous you were saying 461 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: he was sending unsolicited, unwanted pornographic stuff. I don't she 462 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: those are her. 463 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: Words, And then she's I thought until recently love was 464 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: pure and his accident made him a new person. So 465 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 2: she and also when she's describing, as we pointed out earlier, 466 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,919 Speaker 2: she claims that she doesn't want to be retaliatory and 467 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 2: at the same time she wants to be transparent and 468 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: then she's like, cancel Jeremy Renner. None of that, all, 469 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: all of what she's saying. They don't jibe, they don't 470 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 2: work together, they're confusing. 471 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: Let me use that for his own pleasure. I'm reading 472 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: something to Steve. This is the next one, you know'ta 473 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: skip that next. I'm gonna down to this one. When 474 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: I first received pornographic images, they were unwanted and unsolicited cyberflashing. 475 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: Then he talked me into a relationship with him, sold 476 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: me his love. However, the truth that is the most 477 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 1: devastating came out in the recent weeks when he set 478 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: up fan smear campaign started devastating our documentary at Chronicles 479 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: of Disney and Our Future or our first ever animated 480 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: feature at Stardust Future Movie, which will be released in 481 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks. As a woman and as a filmmaker, 482 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: being in a relationship with someone with whom you also 483 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: have projects in the process of being released, I debated 484 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 1: for a long time how to present it, given the 485 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 1: difficulties I went through and the truth I discovered slowly 486 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: throughout the last few months and ropes. I can't remember 487 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: why I did it, but I underlined this next section. 488 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: You did, she wrote, I thought it would be more 489 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 2: respectful for myself and for him to present it under 490 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: the denomination of love, rather than a new relationship or 491 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: a fleeing or whatever you want to call it. I 492 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 2: have always respected him and will continue to respect him, 493 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: but the love and the respect has not been reciprocated. 494 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 2: When the smear campaign started attacking us and continue to 495 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 2: attack us online, I thought the truth about him should 496 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 2: come out. And truth is a defense. 497 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: I don't want to interpret. I'm gonna keep reading. My 498 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: intention is not retaliation, but transparency. I have worked tirelessly 499 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: to complete my two films Masters of Cinema, Chronicles of 500 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: Disney and Stardust Future, both of which honor the artisans 501 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: of Hollywood and the spirit of creative collaboration. I have 502 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: the right to protect my professional reputation, to set boundaries, 503 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: and to correct misinformation when selective reporting distorts the facts. 504 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 2: He goes on to say, my team and I we 505 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: have all suffered, and our story is, in the end 506 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 2: a story of survivors. My truth led many women contact 507 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: me speaking about the same pain with him. I think 508 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: I have spoken a lot and provided all the receipts here. 509 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: I wish to reroute our com to two projects and 510 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: Oscar campaigns going forward, a last promotional nod. 511 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: And why not. I mean, yes, it's gonna rar people 512 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: the wrong way. I am trying to and I and 513 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: even going throughout here, I was so careful and trying 514 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: to make sure of our tone. It feels rogues as 515 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: if you always defer, you have to. Women have not 516 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: been believed for so long was the case. So they're 517 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: being listened to and believed, so we have to. I 518 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: don't know what to do but start there with believing 519 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: every word out of her mouth. But if I do that, 520 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: good Christ, I am not leaving in a room for 521 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: Jeremy Renner to say anything. 522 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 2: I think it will be very interesting to see. This 523 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 2: is obviously getting ugly. It's gotten ugly all weekend long, 524 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: and there will be more to come in the days 525 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: that follow, and we will be following this because look, 526 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: this is a tough spot. Yes, we want to believe 527 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 2: women one hundred percent, and for too long we haven't. 528 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: And yet at the same time, I think it's only 529 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 2: fair to not tell someone or assume that someone's guilty 530 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 2: before they've had a chance to prove otherwise. So look, 531 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner's team says they have hundreds of emails from 532 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: this woman where she was obsessed with him, harassing him, 533 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: professing her love to him, wanting to have sexual texting 534 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: back and forth. So look, I imagine that in his defense, 535 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: if that's there and they do have that in their possession, 536 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: they will be releasing that. She's been releasing what she 537 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 2: has on her Instagram. So I would think this is 538 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 2: going to get flushed out that if everything each is 539 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 2: saying is provable, Let's see all the receipts. 540 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: And folks, if you all want to see ye Joe, 541 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: I think ye Joe is why I and then Joe 542 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: Zhou have that right, Okay, ye Joe is the name 543 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: if you want to check her out on Instagram. But 544 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: it's all there for you to see. We just want 545 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: to chime in and jump on this one, folks. We 546 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: will continue to follow this. There will be updates robes, 547 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 1: I believe, probably very very soon. 548 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: Maybe even on Monday, maybe even tomorrow. Yes, And with 549 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,479 Speaker 2: that everyone, thank you so much for listening to us. 550 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: I made me roboch alongside T. J. Holmes. We'll talk 551 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 2: to you soon.