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Speaker 1: NFL podcast? Change producers like most people change socks. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: What's up, boys, Hey? Dan? Not really true? Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: got paid a ton of money to do. Literally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he has started every game since since he became the starter.

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Speaker 1: So Mettenberger wasn't It's interesting to be Two other teams

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Speaker 1: claimed them to the Giants, which makes a lot of

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Speaker 1: sense because their backup situation is dreadful, and the Bengals,

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Speaker 1: which would have been a different and interesting fit. The

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Speaker 1: atting just another quarterback to that mix. Let's keep on

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Speaker 1: talking quarterbacks. We move on to Sam Bradford, who did

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Speaker 1: show up at Eagles camp taking part in their mini camp.

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Speaker 1: Doug Peterson and Bradford both spoke to the media on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with what uh Doug Peterson, the head coach,

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Speaker 1: had to say, doing everything in his power to try

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Speaker 1: to quell this um quarterback controversy with Carson wins and

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Speaker 1: Chase Daniel. I've actually talked to Sam and since he's

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Speaker 1: been back, and I told him, you know, my feelings

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Speaker 1: haven't changed. He's my guy, he's the number one guy,

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Speaker 1: and uh, um, I just want him to embrace that.

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Speaker 1: And and let's not look forward. Let's or not look backward,

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Speaker 1: but look forward. White guys, why do I always why

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Speaker 1: do I get the feeling you never want like an

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Speaker 1: authority figure to say that, say that, where right? Why

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Speaker 1: is this popping up from? Maybe it's my childhood? Remember

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Speaker 1: you number one? When Jack Napier or a Napier, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, did it to Bob and Batman? The Tim

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Speaker 1: Burton Batman. You knew poor Bob was doomed. I feel

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Speaker 1: the same way about Sam Bradford. He shouldn't be believing

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Speaker 1: what his coach is saying. He's not his number one guy.

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Speaker 1: I think it's different when you're your coach is a

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Speaker 1: former backup quarterback though, right, and not like a deranged

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Speaker 1: killer who fell into bad of ask okay, that's fair. Well,

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Speaker 1: what are Sam Bradford's options? I mean, if whether you

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Speaker 1: believe him or not, he's going to be the guy

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Speaker 1: to start the season, and how how long that last

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Speaker 1: depends entirely on how he plays well. And they, if

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Speaker 1: you're Doug Peterson, they gave him a great gift because

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Speaker 1: potentially you have a franchise quarterback and Carson Wentz to

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Speaker 1: anchor your new coaching career too. On the flip side,

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Speaker 1: as a first year NFL coach, he's got a lot

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Speaker 1: of opportunities to stumble over his words and he's trying

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Speaker 1: to describe this three headed quarterback situation that's complex. I

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Speaker 1: I get a different feeling from Doug Peterson that I

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Speaker 1: did from Bill O'Brien last year. After watching Hard Knocks

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Speaker 1: and hearing him openly tell his team like hey, lie

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Speaker 1: to people, and then trying to be confident about his quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I get a completely different feeling from Doug Peterson. I

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Speaker 1: think he's being honest. I don't know. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: whole thing about not looking back, look at, look ahead,

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Speaker 1: looking ahead is what got Sam Bradford in trouble. In

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Speaker 1: in theory. He was looking well ahead, and he still

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Speaker 1: he still was talking about it. He still was talking

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Speaker 1: about it in this in this press conference that I

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Speaker 1: know in my heart I'm not naive to the fact

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Speaker 1: that that Wentz is eventually gotta play, but I just,

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Speaker 1: you know, financially and for my career, I realized right

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Speaker 1: now is the best best time to just start. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's that crazy that Sam Bradford when helps

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Speaker 1: getting traded for a decent draft pick next year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're presuming that he's gonna play nine or ten and

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Speaker 1: then there's Michael Bennett, who I don't know because he's

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennett decided to dip his toe in to the

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Speaker 1: smarting that he signed a terrible deal a few years back.

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Speaker 1: Get over it, bro, But this is what Bennett had

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Speaker 1: to say told seven ten ESPN in Seattle on Tuesday

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Speaker 1: UM about his thoughts on Sam Bradford. So let'sten Sam

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Speaker 1: Bradford again. And I just I just almost threw it.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I can't believe Sam Bradford is complaining

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Speaker 1: about making forty six forty million in the next two years,

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Speaker 1: I'm like this guy, man, this guy right here definitely

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Speaker 1: And I mean, if I was the teammates had to

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Speaker 1: play with a guy that doesn't want to compete at

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Speaker 1: the hot level, it feels like this position should be

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Speaker 1: solidified with all even you know, putting up the stats

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Speaker 1: so the winds to back that pack that up. How

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Speaker 1: does anyone have an issue with any of that? I

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Speaker 1: agree with him, I agree at this point, but it's

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Speaker 1: become a little bit of a pile on the Sam

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Speaker 1: Bradford and you could also it hasn't coming. You could

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Speaker 1: also make the point that Michael Bennett uh shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: seen as the paragon of a clubhouse because he spends

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Speaker 1: his offseason bitching and moaning about he doesn't have enough

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Speaker 1: money and he deserves more. I mean, everybody's trying to

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Speaker 1: get paid, everybody's trying to put themselves in the best

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Speaker 1: position in their career, and Sam Bradford is getting roasted

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Speaker 1: for it. And Sam Bradford has already been paid. I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, the guy's made seventy eight million dollars this year,

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Speaker 1: made plenty of money. Yeah, to play what mediocre football.

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Speaker 1: Michael Bennett's one of the best players in his position

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. One guy is underpaid severely and the

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Speaker 1: other guy's severely overpaid. Just it just sounds like sour grapes.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like Sam bradford'sting grapes on this podcast.

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Speaker 1: All the grapes. It's what a lot of people in

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Speaker 1: the NFL believe that you should be competing for your

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Speaker 1: position and not afraid to compete, And a lot of

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Speaker 1: the piling on came from reporters and writers and TV

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Speaker 1: people and talking heads. This is how a player telling

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Speaker 1: you if a quarterback on my team did this, if

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Speaker 1: it was Sam Bradford specifically, this is my reaction. And

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Speaker 1: he's being honest. I mean, if the people in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco feel the same way about Kaepernick, who's trying to

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Speaker 1: spend the entire off season getting out of town, I

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Speaker 1: get that too. But as as you said, West, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's still got to play well anyway, So like what

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Speaker 1: was the Hey, will you guys trade me? No? Aren't cool.

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Speaker 1: I've still gotta play football well otherwise I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be on the team anyway. Bradford did not handle the

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Speaker 1: situation well. And I've been on REGUO with Tom Tom Connon.

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Speaker 1: I think he's been too vocal, but I don't know.

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Speaker 1: It just seems like Bennett's bitter and should you know,

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Speaker 1: concentrate on his own. The weird thing that Bennetts hity

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Speaker 1: on that I think is right is does the sentence

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Speaker 1: from Bradford's press conference where he where they asked him

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Speaker 1: about Peterson's comment that he's the number one guy and

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Speaker 1: Bradford kind of having this at it this answer that

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Speaker 1: I really do appreciate that because that allows me to

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Speaker 1: come back into the locker room and and lead these

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Speaker 1: guys and be and be the leader of the team.

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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of and I'm kind of thinking about

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Speaker 1: if you want to lead the guys and you want

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Speaker 1: to be the quarterback, lead the guys and be the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: isn't that I mean, I'm not don't try to lead

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Speaker 1: dead brush guys, right, and not not so much that

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Speaker 1: it's just like you're gonna have to earn that anyways.

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Speaker 1: No one's giving Sam Bradford that regardless. That's not gonna

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Speaker 1: be earned and made June and July necessarily anyway that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be, that's gonna be earn in August based off something.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you get to stand back and say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this was all my agents idea, and that's basically what

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Speaker 1: he's done. Look, you went along with your it. You

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Speaker 1: empowered him to make this decision. You could have said, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy here, I want to lead these guys, I

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Speaker 1: want to compete. No, you said, I'll trust you to

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Speaker 1: try to put me in Denver. And I think some

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Speaker 1: of what Bennett was saying might have been a critique

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Speaker 1: of the way that the quarterback position is treated in

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Speaker 1: the first place, right, which a lot of NFL players

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Speaker 1: probably feel that way. And finally in the news, one

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Speaker 1: guy that's kind of gotten forgotten in the Jets quarterback

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Speaker 1: room is Bryce Petty, Uh, the fourth round pick of

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Speaker 1: a year ago out of Baylor. Now that Christian Hackenburgh's

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Speaker 1: on the scene, you wonder if he'll be the if

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Speaker 1: Petty will be the odd man out if Ryan Fitzpatrick

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Speaker 1: he's made a ton of progress as he learns an

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Speaker 1: NFL quarterback position after playing in a spread offense. Uh

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Speaker 1: in Baylor. He had this to say to Darryl Slater

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Speaker 1: of NJ dot Com to David Harrish charity event. For me,

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Speaker 1: it's a process just watching film. I'm seeing things. I

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Speaker 1: played Matten the other day, and it's not just picking

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Speaker 1: run plays anymore. It's like, oh, they've got an underfront. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You start picking up things differently. That's exciting for me.

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Speaker 1: That's what's happening in the news. Um. All right, by

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Speaker 1: the way, everyone saying, remember we've been saying Geno Smith, Uh,

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Speaker 1: he'll either be the starter or not on the team.

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Speaker 1: That's not me. I'm starting to think that's not true.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Petty's not gonna be on the team. Wow, I

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Speaker 1: think he might be right about that. If I if

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Speaker 1: I had to put his sandwards down, I say, Gino

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Speaker 1: makes it. They're both well, well, this is the thing

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Speaker 1: like if you, yeah, if you invest in Christian Hackenberger

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Speaker 1: and you no longer you can't have two giant project

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Speaker 1: project guys for three. Who's the third genus? Oh, he's

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Speaker 1: pretty much full formed as a mediocre quarterback in my

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Speaker 1: mind in front of Geno Smith number one cheerly I'm

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Speaker 1: not is number one cheerless all but you literally just

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Speaker 1: said the words he is fully formed as a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old and hasn't played since he

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Speaker 1: was maybe thirty five. He'll be a good quarterback, good

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Speaker 1: good thing, franchise savior. Ryan Fitzpatrick wasn't fully formed, right exactly. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's by the way, that's a false narrative about Jets

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Speaker 1: fans that they all think that Ryan Fitzpatrick, Well, you

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Speaker 1: think Ryan Fitzpatrick better than he is. I think he

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Speaker 1: is what he has been with Jan Gailey in this

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Speaker 1: offensive corps. All right, I don't know. He's like Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady but better looking. He is better looking than people

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Speaker 1: give credit for looking in Tom Brady step back, Well,

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Speaker 1: By Brady is not you know, a little synthetic. I'll

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Speaker 1: leave it at that, all right, Patrick Claibron, we are

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Speaker 1: going to uh say goodbye to you. Now you need

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Speaker 1: to go give some news updates. Let everyone knows I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be more pragmatic about the pants under situation in

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Speaker 1: what's sent I appreciate it's it's giving me something to

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Speaker 1: think about. I want you to choose your own path.

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Speaker 1: You come on here and we'll tell everyone that listens

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Speaker 1: to the show. Just just slide that into one of

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Speaker 1: your news updates. Asked the audience what they social media

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Speaker 1: help help you with a Twitter like a poll, Have

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Speaker 1: a good one, all right, Patrick Claibron at Patrick claiban

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Speaker 1: that's you. Check him out on Twitter, follow him and

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Speaker 1: he will write back to I can promise you that

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Speaker 1: it's one thing I know about claibon eight million tweets

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Speaker 1: and counting. All right, Next up, guys, we want to

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about something we uh talk about

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's commencement speech at the University of Wisconsin over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. I think we had a split down the middle.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a little bit of a human

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Speaker 1: showing by danger us Wes you were on the other side.

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Speaker 1: If I recall uh that, maybe it wasn't as authentic

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Speaker 1: as it led on. And then and then here comes

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Speaker 1: Will Brinson, a senior uh NFL writer for CBS Sports,

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Speaker 1: who writes, I mean, I if I had a guess,

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Speaker 1: it was fifty thousand, maybe a hundred thousand words on

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's commencement speech and why a lot of it

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Speaker 1: was bogus. So Will is a friend of the show

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Speaker 1: and definitely a friend during a Super Bowl week and

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Speaker 1: other events. Whenever we see him, uh, usually at the bar,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna join us right now and talk about his

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Think peace. Will Brinson, what's up, buddy, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? Guys? Um? I hate to uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I would just say that, having, you know,

640
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: doing some yard work this week, listening to show you

641
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: guys discussed it, I like, I like mowing the graph,

642
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: listen to some podcasting, and uh, I would say that, yeah,

643
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: maybe lest let's got a little bumpet. There's little common

644
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: man rankings you see through the Russell Wilson sharad, Wow,

645
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: I like that. Well, well, I I don't need a

646
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: bumpet in my common man rankings, but I appreciate the

647
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 1: support he does need it. Don't get him. Don't get

648
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: this mixed. I mean, I don't know how much I've

649
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: talked about this, probably a hundred and fifty times in

650
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: the last few days, so I can't I always forget,

651
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: like who knows what about the Russell Wilson saga involving

652
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: Tom O'Brien, But basically it boils down to Russell Wilson

653
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: wanted to go play Uh yeah, he wanted to go

654
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: play baseball professionally. He wanted to play football professionally, and

655
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: he didn't want to give up baseball in order to

656
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: be the full time quarterback at NTY State Toma. And

657
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,720
Speaker 1: this back in two thousand eleven, Toomer Brian basically gave him.

658
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: He was in a situation where Tom O'Brien is, For

659
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 1: those that aren't aware, uh, the former NT State head coach.

660
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: See that's I'm yeah, I'm like doing a rally radio hit.

661
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: Everybody knows Tom Brian is right, Um, Romer Brian does

662
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 1: not speak with that country accident that Russell Wilsons. That

663
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: was also another uh little exaggeration there. Oh yeah, there

664
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: was Chuck a motto the coach before him, and he's

665
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: he's a high pitched Italian guy, Tom O'Brien from like

666
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: Ohio and sniffles and has a majorly voice, but even close.

667
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: So anyway, Tom O'Brian basically wanted to have Mike glenn

668
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: Mike glenn was his recruit. He could either have two

669
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: years of Mike Glennon guaranteed or Glennon was going to

670
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: transfer himself, or he could maybe have one year of Russell.

671
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: The problem was if Russell got hot playing baseball or

672
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: hurt playing baseball, you know, he might have decided to

673
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: bail and stay, and then Tom O'Brian has no quarterbacks

674
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: and he's definitely getting fired. You It was he was

675
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: afraid that he was gonna end up with nothing instead

676
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: of two and just just for a nym when that's

677
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: not not aware before Will goes on, the crux of

678
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's commencement speech at Wisconsin was that he overcame

679
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: all these people at his former college, and he stayed

680
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: doubting him. But Will that was not the when you

681
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: started digging in. Yeah, I mean my beef as someone

682
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: who you know, an NTY State atlung so admittedly biased,

683
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: this is not even It's not even the case at all.

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Speaker 1: Like nt State fans love Russell Wilson. They wanted when

685
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: when when he started making the run to the Super Bowl,

686
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: NTC fans were clamoring to get a statue up before

687
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: Wisconsin could do it because it makes Yeah, I mean

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00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: they want to make sure that he you know, he's

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: the guy, and it burns him that he's that he's

690
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,359
Speaker 1: considered partially Wisconsin. I think it burns Russell Wilson. But

691
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: to kick to kick the whole school in the the

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00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: athletic programs, multiple athletic programs under the bus in a

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Speaker 1: commencement speech in order to motivate some some chief cordelers

694
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: out of whiske pretty pretty offensive to people in North Carolina. Well, well,

695
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: how do you feel personally, um, emotionally after deciding to

696
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: go full Judas and turn your back on Russell Wilson

697
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: and really you know, announce yourself as the biggest Russell Wilson. Uh,

698
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: detractor in the nation. Greg feels now I know the

699
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 1: shame and the pain that Pete Prisco lives with every day.

700
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: You have to you have to go against Russell Wilson,

701
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: a good hearted person who by all accounts does really

702
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: nice things for the community. I'm kidding because I know

703
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: you're still a fan. You're a big Yeah. I look,

704
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: I love Russell Wilson is a quarterback. But fatigue is

705
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Fatigue has settled in for me in terms of Russell

706
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: Wilson off the field. And I hope that he continues

707
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: to be motivated by slights, and I hope that he

708
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: continues to visit children's hospitals. And but I just think

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00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: that he has a good story. Anyway, he could have

710
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: just told the absolute truth and people would have been excited. Well, Brentson,

711
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: why do you think, I mean, you can't say anything

712
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: these days without if it's gonna get published, and we

713
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: knew it would without it being fact checked and turned

714
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: around within twenty four hours on Twitter? What Why does

715
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: he think he can get away with this if there's

716
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: so many inaccuracies, which there are according to your report. Yeah, Mark,

717
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I think that he is utilize think the old winners

718
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: right the history and as someone you know, I mean

719
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: that's that is true to a degree, But I just

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00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. I couldn't handle watching somebody who

721
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: who won just kick a program when they're down. I know,

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00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: I think that's really the logic. I also think that

723
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: he's because he's this guy who has overcome a lot,

724
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: and that's true, he really has. That he literally had

725
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: to delude himself into believing certain things, and that he's

726
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: probably deluded himself into believing that along with nano bubble

727
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: securing concussions, that he can also he was also booted

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00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: from NC State by by everyone in Raleigh, and that

729
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: he's only welcome in Wisconsin. I will also say this

730
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: about the Russell Wilson stuff. Russell Wilson might very well

731
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: just be a rich man's Tim Tebow. And I don't

732
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: mean that from a football perspective. I mean that from

733
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: these these rabid Wilson Knights on Twitter be getting buried.

734
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 1: Just block all the twelves on Twitter. I've already blocked him.

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00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: My life has improved him measurably. These guys are are crazy.

736
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Speaker 1: I mean, this is like some of the stuff you

737
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: see I mean, like I usually my mentions are fairly

738
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: tame from a perspective of I'm not getting flame too much.

739
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: But I mean, these guys aren't even like Seahawks fans.

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00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: They're just they're just rabid Russell lights who who refused

741
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: to back down from anything and and and they're just

742
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: they're they're just I got I got this one guy, angry,

743
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: angry white QBS. If you guys seen this, he's like,

744
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: he's excusing me of being a racist, but he says,

745
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: I didn't include any sources in my in my story,

746
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, dude, the entire story is literally

747
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: sourced material where I linked in, block quoted, and then

748
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: he accused me of not talking to you. What I

749
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: was like linking to my stories. It's I just these

750
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: people all deserve to be blocked and and sent to

751
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: some island that is run by someone who believes nano

752
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: bubbles are real. Well, all of this makes sense, and

753
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: I like the way you frame the entire discussion, but

754
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: let me ask you, from this point of view, this

755
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: is not Walter cronk Kite reporting on Vietnam. This is

756
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback at a commencement address trying to inspire young kids.

757
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Does it even matter if he bends the truth a

758
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: little poetic license? How about that? Will? No, yeah, yeah,

759
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: from that perspective, this is not um, this is this

760
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: is May, and this is the NFL. I mean, I

761
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 1: will say that I took much greater pleasure in writing

762
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: that story and and kind of you know, bringing bringing

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00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: Russell down like a little a little peg than I

764
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: did writing three straight days worth of Zach Mettenberger story. Um. So,

765
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: I mean, from that perspective, it's May, it's the NFL.

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00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: You know, he should he be able to take a

767
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: little poetic license and say some things. Sure, but at

768
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: the same time, like like he like he won. Tom

769
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 1: O'Brian has been fired and buried by this fan base.

770
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: Like he got he got, he got run out of town.

771
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: He looks like an idiot. Everybody assumes that he picked

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00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: Mike Glennon over Russell Wilson. You know, he didn't win

773
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 1: any more games that he would have if Russell had

774
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 1: stuck around. Um, you know, Russell went on and went

775
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 1: to a Rose Bowl while NC State was at the

776
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, the Cheetoh's Bahama's Bowl, uh in in St.

777
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: Peter's Burg and and it's a Russell one. He got

778
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: a super Bowl out of it. Let's let the let

779
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: the past, you know, let the pass line take the

780
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 1: high road, Russell. That's that's supposed to be his move.

781
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: It's just disappointing to see him take these unnecessary dicks.

782
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: And before we let you go, because we know you've

783
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: really you've raised the Will Brinson brand immeasurably with this, uh,

784
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: with this thing piece column. I'm sure you have many

785
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 1: other hits to do today, but I do want to

786
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious if either the Seahawks or a member of

787
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's entreage and he literally there is a I

788
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: think it's an s I story from a couple of

789
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: years ago. Uh. He has his own entourage. He has

790
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: like a turtle in there. He has a guy that

791
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: sells shoes. Has anyone reached out to you from the

792
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: Wilson camp or from the Seahawks with glorious vengeance and anger? No, um,

793
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 1: they haven't. I assume that when Russell gives the twenty

794
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: thirty five commencement speech at Empty State, it's so personal.

795
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: I love it. I mean, I don't know. Maybe I

796
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: heard BERMONTI Jones, who you know is from this area

797
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,959
Speaker 1: as well, point out that maybe Russell should drop pack

798
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: from whole pack of Badgers at this point, given what

799
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: he's done. Um no, nobody. I've not heard from the Seahawks.

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00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: I would imagine that, um, the Seahawks didn't like the article,

801
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: and that at some point I will, um perhaps see

802
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a shadowy Seahawks figure. And then Bill side up to

803
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: me at a league event and mentioned that maybe I should,

804
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: maybe I should talk to Russell. But I kind of

805
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: feel like I've got the facts here. I mean, you know,

806
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: I didn't write a hit Pizza Russell. I just laid

807
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: out the you know, laid out the quotes and the

808
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: facts and let the world decide for itself. Well, I

809
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: hope you don't mind us selling this podcast with the

810
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: quote Wilson is the next Tebow or some whatever. That

811
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: quote actually well at well, well rich Man's Tebow. I

812
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: gotta raise our profile too. I used I used that line,

813
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: um earlier. I was I was just in a casual

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00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: conversation with somebody. I was like, I bet that that.

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00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a pretty that's a pretty good

816
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: quote that could be spun around. Maybe you could, you know,

817
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: you could turn into it. You can, you can write

818
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: a pereat We'll write a hit piece on um. Will Brinson,

819
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: the senior NFL writer at CBS Sports, also a friend

820
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: of the show. We hope to sitle up next to

821
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: you at the next league event because you can hang brother,

822
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: always good, always good to talk anything at Will Brinson.

823
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 1: That's where we can get all your Brinson heat. Um.

824
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: We love Will And that was that was a fun

825
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: little um uh story because not only was it, did

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00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: Will do a nice job with the research on it.

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00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: It does make it makes a lot more sense now

828
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: knowing I didn't. I didn't realize that Will win to

829
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: NC state why he decided to do this, But now

830
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: he did a nice job researching it, and and he

831
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: did call out Russell Wilson. It's not the end of

832
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: the world that Russell Wilson took some poetic license with this,

833
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: but he absolutely did. And it does. It does hit

834
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: against that narrative again that Russell Wilson struggles to be

835
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: authentic and real. It hit home for me the way

836
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: he framed the story as um, you know, I'm tired

837
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: of writing about Zach Mettenberg. He wrote this piece because

838
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: it interested in him. And that's our jobs too. Whatever

839
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: interests us and gives us the passion to write two

840
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: thousand words on the subject. That's why it's interesting. He

841
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,439
Speaker 1: did a really good job because he was passionate about

842
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: the subject. Um. All right, that is it for UM

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00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: Wednesday's Wednesday's edition of the Around the NFL podcast. We

844
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 1: will be back UH tomorrow with yet another show. The

845
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: train keeps Rolling. Very impressive work by the team today.

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00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: Until then, this is Dan Hanses signing off four quiet starm,

847
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: the mailman, the Boss and the arishman behind the glass.

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Speaker 1: It's down Thursday. M hey mon, let me laugh. We

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Speaker 1: want it now. Let me laugh. What is she doing?

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Speaker 1: I never know what she's doing back there? My Let

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Speaker 1: me laugh.