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Speaker 1: that this is part two of our of our episodes
Speaker 1: because it's a Hitler episode. You gotta give the give
Speaker 1: red meat to the base. It's like one of the
Speaker 1: only episodes were likeness flies. So like, yeah, you want
Speaker 1: to do it one more time? It's five. I did
Speaker 1: it with two times. Is enough? My next Hitler episode
Speaker 1: I give Robert Richard. He's like, no, welcome back to
Speaker 1: Behind the Insurrections. This is part three. We had an
Speaker 1: episode started off with an episode on the march on Room.
Speaker 1: Now we're doing a two parter. This is part two
Speaker 1: of our two parter on Hitler's Munich beer Hall putsch
Speaker 1: Um and then we will continue with other fascist attempts
Speaker 1: to seize power and talking about anti fascism and with
Speaker 1: a few more episodes to do. So um, strap in,
Speaker 1: buckle up. Eat some rice rice, Eat some rice rice.
Speaker 1: It's good for you. They get that brown rice that's
Speaker 1: got like the extra you know, the vitamins and ship
Speaker 1: in it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, don't skin
Speaker 1: your potatoes. If you're eating potatoes, that's where the vitamins are.
Speaker 1: And I can enjoy potato skins. I love potato skins.
Speaker 1: You know who didn't love potatoes? Actually, Hitler did love them.
Speaker 1: He was because yeah, huge, huge fan of vegetables. Anyway,
Speaker 1: here's the storage. Yeah. As soon as von Lasso and
Speaker 1: car and Cisor are free, they immediately warned Berlin and
Speaker 1: call from military reinforcements from the rest of Bavaria and
Speaker 1: try to organize the rest of the police who weren't
Speaker 1: on Hitler's side into some sort of counter push. This
Speaker 1: would tend to them looking at each other right when
Speaker 1: they stepped out of the room, like, I can't believe
Speaker 1: that worked. We're not coming back right, Like, no, we're
Speaker 1: not going right. I can't believe you believe this. I
Speaker 1: can't believe I can't believe that worked. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I know why we lost the war. That guy
Speaker 1: might not be very smart. Yeah, So, um, now, while
Speaker 1: this is happening, it's gonna take time, right, ship doesn't
Speaker 1: turn on a dime, you know, this is nighttime on
Speaker 1: the eighth, when they get free and start warning everybody,
Speaker 1: it's gonna take hours for them to like actually get
Speaker 1: um a counter putch force in place to fight the Nazis.
Speaker 1: And so for the rest of the night of November eight,
Speaker 1: the Nazis find themselves in total control of a German
Speaker 1: city for the first time in history, and they very
Speaker 1: predictably did Nazi ship Yeah yeah, members of stuff stroup.
Speaker 1: Hitler first swarmed the offices of the Munschner Post, a
Speaker 1: social Democratic paper, which they considered a Jewish paper. They
Speaker 1: threatened the business manager at gunpoint in order to gain entry,
Speaker 1: and then they destroyed everything inside, throwing ink on the walls,
Speaker 1: cutting phone lines, smashing desks, destroying three and eighty patents
Speaker 1: of glass. One Nazi later recalled, we forced open the
Speaker 1: doors of this place, ransacked the building, and flung all
Speaker 1: the printed stuff we could lay hands upon out into
Speaker 1: the street. Now, during the assault, a police officer arrived
Speaker 1: not to stop the Nazis but to make sure they
Speaker 1: didn't damage the printing presses, because Hitler wanted those, because
Speaker 1: he wanted to take them and give them to one
Speaker 1: of his newspapers. Hey hey, hey, hey, you rough, Hey hey,
Speaker 1: we're stealing that. Don't break it, all, Nazis here, Just
Speaker 1: don't breaks valuable. Shoot those people, those people, fine, just
Speaker 1: don't hurt the printing presses. Those costs money. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: all scared, like, oh no, kill that dude. I'm saying,
Speaker 1: don't break the printer. Yeah, no, you're not under arrest,
Speaker 1: of course, not what So they looted everything of value,
Speaker 1: including an estimated six trillion German marks, which is, you know,
Speaker 1: even at that point, a decent amount of money. Um.
Speaker 1: While they were raiding, they found the home address of
Speaker 1: the papers editor, who's a Jewish man. So they broke
Speaker 1: into his home next, and they threatened his wife at gunpoint.
Speaker 1: Now he was already in hiding, but the Nazis did
Speaker 1: not leave right away. And I'm gonna quote again from
Speaker 1: the trial of Adolf Hitler. This guy's name is our ours.
Speaker 1: Elder daughter, Sophie asked the intruders to be as quiet
Speaker 1: as possible because their own two year old daughter was sleeping. Maurice,
Speaker 1: ignoring the request, asked who the father was as he
Speaker 1: rummaged through their closets, laundry and betting. He then smashed
Speaker 1: up a cupboard and turned over bookshelves, apparently looking for
Speaker 1: weapons as much as any clue for the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: the editor. We are the masters and we govern now,
Speaker 1: Maurice boasted, And that guy Maurice would find up being
Speaker 1: Hitler's valet like he was his driver and ship in
Speaker 1: bodyguard for a while. Yeah, now, attacks continued through the night,
Speaker 1: led by different gangs of Nazis. One small group was
Speaker 1: led by a bank clerk named Ernest Hoobner who got
Speaker 1: drunk at the start of the push and went off
Speaker 1: with friends in search of quote Jews and other enemies
Speaker 1: of the people to attack. They've broke into restaurants in hotels,
Speaker 1: demanding that Jews exit, beating people and kidnapping them. At
Speaker 1: least twenty four Jewish people were kidnapped and held hostage
Speaker 1: during this period. Numerous others were beaten, businesses were ransacked.
Speaker 1: Nazis another word, did Nazi ship? Yeah. Now, one of
Speaker 1: the things that's fun about this is in the wake
Speaker 1: of all this, stories will come out, like police will
Speaker 1: claim that police who were members of the Nazi Party
Speaker 1: will claim that while this was happening, Hitler condemned the
Speaker 1: violence against Jewish people. Um and the kernel of truth
Speaker 1: and that is that Hitler condemned the fact that some
Speaker 1: of his Nazis took off their swastika arm bands while
Speaker 1: they were beating new Jewish people. So we didn't condemn
Speaker 1: the violence as much as he was, like why didn't
Speaker 1: you wear it? That's good. It was a branding opportunity. Guys, fella,
Speaker 1: come on, we got these armed bands for a reason.
Speaker 1: We may good money for this ship. What are you doing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So by the early morning, Hitler and his closest lackeys
Speaker 1: realized what Ludendorff had done and gradually came to understand
Speaker 1: that Berlin had been called and the army was coming
Speaker 1: for them. This brought a wave of hopelessness to some.
Speaker 1: The rash nature of the push, the fact that the
Speaker 1: timeline had been moved up two days at the last minute,
Speaker 1: the poor communication, and the fact that a lot of
Speaker 1: time had been spent giving long hit their speeches to
Speaker 1: rooms full of drunk people uh and beating up random
Speaker 1: Jewish people in the street uh instead of securing Munich
Speaker 1: meant that the Nazis were about to face off against
Speaker 1: the Bavarian army without full control of the city. They
Speaker 1: kind of got drunken, out of control and failed to
Speaker 1: do the things that were necessary to actually defend their territory.
Speaker 1: You know, didn't think that through man, not yeah, Nazi ship.
Speaker 1: So Ludendorff was aghast when he realized that General von
Speaker 1: Lasso had not kept his word. He is very brokenhearted
Speaker 1: by this. He can't believe it. He actually like tries
Speaker 1: to call him and be like, come on, you promised, man, Man,
Speaker 1: Hey man, what about that word you said you're gonna
Speaker 1: come back? Bro? Yeah, come on, you know I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you. Man, I'm I'm hurt. I'm hurt. I'm personally hurt, man.
Speaker 1: You I'm not angry, I'm disappointed. Yeah, Bro, Man, we're
Speaker 1: supposed to have some sort of code. Man, so funny,
Speaker 1: it's extremely funny. Um So Ludendorf yeah, is horrified. Hitler's
Speaker 1: just angry, and he insists that the Nazis go on
Speaker 1: with what most people now realize as a hopeless push.
Speaker 1: Hit The rants that he's prepared to fight for the
Speaker 1: cause and not a coward. He also screams that by
Speaker 1: betraying him, Lasso and the other members of the Triumvirate
Speaker 1: had forfeited their quote right to exist. Oh god, hardcore
Speaker 1: Nazi guy. I mean he's yeah, like just just just
Speaker 1: be saying like if it wasn't so violently dangerous again,
Speaker 1: it's like the goofball thing where I'm just like, why
Speaker 1: are you so? Are you such a drama queen? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like they've reversed the right to exist? Like, hey, man.
Speaker 1: You know, Hitler was wearing those corny ass cargo short
Speaker 1: shorts when he said it, too, right, just like hey man,
Speaker 1: he's just I'm gonna I'm gonna flame my church coat off,
Speaker 1: and I got my tooths crosses in there, like bro.
Speaker 1: Why the theatrics? Man? Like bro? You was his unnecessary
Speaker 1: theatrical anyway? It's just Nazi ship. Like okay, man, just
Speaker 1: if you're gonna shoot the place of shoot the place up,
Speaker 1: you ain't got to do all what is all this? Anyway?
Speaker 1: He's Nazi ship, you know. So at this point in time,
Speaker 1: Hitler's organized forces in Munich number around four thousand, whereas
Speaker 1: the government in Munich only is about troops and police combined,
Speaker 1: and obviously a lot of the police are Nazis. Now.
Speaker 1: Reinforcements were on their way rapidly um and so some
Speaker 1: of Hitler's men suggested retreating outside of the city with
Speaker 1: the forces they had, to a small town where they
Speaker 1: had a strong base of support. Ludendorff argued against that
Speaker 1: and instead insisted that they needed to carry out a
Speaker 1: public show of strength and march through Munich in numbers
Speaker 1: to rally the people of the city to their banner.
Speaker 1: So like, that's you know, kind of Ludendorf city is like, no,
Speaker 1: we can't retreat. If we start marching, the people will
Speaker 1: join us. We'll start the march on Berlin now. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from the trial of Adolf Hitler here.
Speaker 1: Perhaps a show of popular support would convince car also
Speaker 1: incisor to abandon their intention to oppose them. Surely too,
Speaker 1: it was reasoned the army would not shoot at a
Speaker 1: procession led by such a popular national figure as General Ludendorff.
Speaker 1: The heavens will fall before the troops fire on me,
Speaker 1: Ludendorff had told a colleague the previous day. The soldiers would,
Speaker 1: it was hoped, flocked to the banner of the swastika.
Speaker 1: With a little luck, nationalist momentum might push Hitler to Berlin,
Speaker 1: just as it had propelled Mussolini to Rome. It didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't um. Hitler gathered about two thousand men at
Speaker 1: the Burger Brow, and he did, in fact, marched them
Speaker 1: to the center of the city, and for a little
Speaker 1: while things went well. Fifteen minutes into the march, the
Speaker 1: Nazis approached a group of thirty police officers with heavy
Speaker 1: machine guns, and the police tell the Nazis to stop,
Speaker 1: and Herman Garring yells back at them, don't shoot your comrades.
Speaker 1: And then right after saying don't shoot your comrades, like
Speaker 1: a trumpet blows and the Nazis charged the police and
Speaker 1: take their guns and beat them unconscious with their own
Speaker 1: rifle butts, which is again some serious d C on
Speaker 1: the sixth energy, Yeah, yeah, where are your friends? Wham,
Speaker 1: it's beating a cop with a blue lives matter that
Speaker 1: is that is that a thin blue line rag around
Speaker 1: him and his neck to choke him. Yeah so um, yeah,
Speaker 1: the police were taken captive. The Nazis beat them and
Speaker 1: take their guns, um and send them back to the
Speaker 1: beer hall. And Nazi propaganda would describe this assault on
Speaker 1: the police as police fraternization, right, like, it's us, it's
Speaker 1: us being friendly with the cops. Now, this early success
Speaker 1: would not prove to be you know, how the rest
Speaker 1: of things went um. Eventually, the crowd reached a barricade
Speaker 1: of a hundred police officers set up in a narrow
Speaker 1: street where their flanks were protected. The Nazis advanced, and
Speaker 1: while it's not known who started shooting, a gun battle ensued.
Speaker 1: Four police officers and sixteen Nazis were killed. Hitler was
Speaker 1: pulled to the ground by his bodyguard and his shoulder
Speaker 1: was dislocated. Garring was shot in the groin in the leg.
Speaker 1: And this is actually why Herman Garring and the pictures
Speaker 1: you see of him as like when he's in power,
Speaker 1: is like heavily overweight. It's why he becomes a morphine addict.
Speaker 1: Like he's horribly injured and he gets addicted to pain killers.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, and then he like starts over eating when
Speaker 1: he can't be on pain killers in order to deal
Speaker 1: with like he's badly hurt by this. Now, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of different stories about what happens with Ludendorff. The
Speaker 1: most common one that like Ludendorff backs is that while
Speaker 1: all of this gunfire is going on, he marches like
Speaker 1: straight backed, unharmed, up to the police line and is
Speaker 1: taken into custody, just completely unfrightened of bullets. Historians tend
Speaker 1: to suspect that, like, no, he was a soldier, like
Speaker 1: Hitler and everyone else who was had military experience. He
Speaker 1: dove for the ground when the shooting started. That's like
Speaker 1: you don't stand up, no one, you go to the
Speaker 1: fucking ground like that's what. Yeah, And Hitler gets really
Speaker 1: messed up by this too, Like I said, his shoulders
Speaker 1: like really badly dislocated. He doesn't get shot though, um
Speaker 1: And as soon as it's clear that his men because
Speaker 1: they's fire back and they kill some cops. As soon
Speaker 1: as it becomes clear that the Nazis are going to
Speaker 1: lose this giant gunfight, Hitler runs like fuck um and
Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda would later claim that he sees like a
Speaker 1: ten year old boy who gets wounded by the police
Speaker 1: and he picks him up and runs him to safety.
Speaker 1: This is a for one thing, his arm didn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that didn't happen, Like it's a complete lie. He
Speaker 1: ran because he didn't want to die. He did what
Speaker 1: every what they literally anyone would do. Yeah, is you
Speaker 1: Oh they're shooting, I should not get out of here. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I really ain't sign up in his I just wanted
Speaker 1: to know. So he flees, and he eventually takes a
Speaker 1: car to his friends, puts his his manner in rural Bavaria,
Speaker 1: and of course, as we talk about it in another episode,
Speaker 1: he tries to shoot himself there and puts his wife, Helena,
Speaker 1: who he has a crush on, like stops him, takes
Speaker 1: his gun and like throws it into a barrel of
Speaker 1: flour um, which is, you know, maybe not the best
Speaker 1: call anyone ever, but it was one of those like
Speaker 1: like short term goodness term, like in the moment, that
Speaker 1: was probably the right thing to do. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: didn't end up well. So Yeah, Hitler eventually gets arrested
Speaker 1: and he's charged with, you know, trying to overthrow the government. Now,
Speaker 1: the maximum sentence for a guilty verdict would have been
Speaker 1: life imprisonment, and even if he wasn't put away for life,
Speaker 1: Hitler wasn't a German citizen, and the law code at
Speaker 1: the time stipulated that foreigners convicted of high treason should
Speaker 1: be deported after serving their sentence. Now, when he was
Speaker 1: brought to jail, Hitler was initially despondent, telling one police
Speaker 1: interviewer that he wanted to just shoot himself and get
Speaker 1: it over with. But as the days and weeks went by,
Speaker 1: it became clear that most of the Bavarian government and
Speaker 1: many of its people were best ambivalent about prosecuting Hitler.
Speaker 1: He was extremely popular. Nazi protesters took to the streets
Speaker 1: immediately after he was arrested, like shouting Hail Hitler and
Speaker 1: down with the car. Even a lot of the cops
Speaker 1: and soldiers who had put down the rebellion were broadly
Speaker 1: pro Hitler. They didn't want to see him pun ish. Now,
Speaker 1: this was kind of filed compounded by the fact that
Speaker 1: the press, even the left wing press, didn't take Hitler
Speaker 1: seriously because the putsch had failed. The New York World
Speaker 1: ignored Hitler's roll in it for the most part and
Speaker 1: declared it Ludendorff's pusch and depicted Hitler as a bumbling
Speaker 1: sidekick who had gone off half cough and dragged the
Speaker 1: general down with him. A major Berlin paper described it
Speaker 1: as a Ludendorff pusch and compared it to a childish
Speaker 1: prank rather than a severe attempt to destroy democracy. The
Speaker 1: New York Times probably had the best coverage. They made
Speaker 1: a pointed note that hit there was a skilled order
Speaker 1: and very charismatic. They laid out his skill at weaving
Speaker 1: the nation's resentments and racial bigotry into a cohesive political
Speaker 1: platform capable of getting people out into the street. You know.
Speaker 1: The New York Times falls down on the job a
Speaker 1: lot later, with Hitler. Um, but at this point, like
Speaker 1: they see at least that writer sees the danger, you know. Now. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: in France, a left wing paper, the Republic French well, uh,
Speaker 1: the French Republic, I guess is the name of the
Speaker 1: paper calls it. Yeah, and it's like this is a
Speaker 1: very like a socialist paper. It warns its readers that
Speaker 1: the real victim of the push was not the Nazis,
Speaker 1: but the Bavarian government, who had brutally suppressed a popular uprising.
Speaker 1: The trial of Adolf Hitler notes it was instead a
Speaker 1: war between two different visions of dictatorship, and the most
Speaker 1: dangerous one, it believed, was not the one suppressed. Several
Speaker 1: papers on the left agreed with this assessment. Hitler, in
Speaker 1: his defeat, looked ludicrous and less menacing than the state
Speaker 1: authorities who had stopped him. The illusion would only grow
Speaker 1: in the coming months. So like, no, no, the state's
Speaker 1: way worse than Hitler. You know, he's just a silly dude. Yeah. Again,
Speaker 1: the lesson of history is that no one has ever
Speaker 1: learned a lesson from history ever, not a single person. Goddamn.
Speaker 1: And the idea, the part that so chilling is like
Speaker 1: you know, him sitting in prison almost the idea of
Speaker 1: him almost checking out and being like, maybe let's not
Speaker 1: do this, and in the streets rise up for him
Speaker 1: and he's like wait what wait, yeah, like me, all right,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's push on, you know like that
Speaker 1: that's that part is so chilling, where it was just
Speaker 1: like he almost stopped. Yeah, he could have been stopped.
Speaker 1: And this is the story at this point is why
Speaker 1: he wasn't, you know, um like like why he didn't
Speaker 1: Why this wasn't the end of his political career. Because
Speaker 1: the big question of the Munich beer hole Pusch isn't
Speaker 1: why didn't it work? Because it was a terrible idea
Speaker 1: from the start, it was doomed from it was badly
Speaker 1: planned in order. Yeah, it is instead why didn't this
Speaker 1: push in the Hitler's career, And the answer to that
Speaker 1: question comes once again down to the justice system, law enforcement.
Speaker 1: The police in Munich in particular were critical in allowing
Speaker 1: the Nazis to rise to power in the first place,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen the year of Hitler's trial, the justice
Speaker 1: department would prove critical in keeping his ambitions alive, or
Speaker 1: the justice system Germany whatever. So Hitler goes to court
Speaker 1: and as a note, they take him to court and
Speaker 1: like a military academy, um, and the academy is empty
Speaker 1: because all of the young soldiers being trained in the
Speaker 1: military academy were part of Hitler's push. Um. So like
Speaker 1: the yeah, like yeah, yeah, is this the trial? So
Speaker 1: I read death of Democracy? Yes, so is this the
Speaker 1: trial where the judge was essentially like, I'll give you it.
Speaker 1: I like the guy, Uh, this is one of those
Speaker 1: democracy I think is talking about the trial with um
Speaker 1: um a different like there were a couple of trials
Speaker 1: like that. It happened more than once. This is the
Speaker 1: first time. Well, actually it's not the first time. It's
Speaker 1: not the first time with this judge, as we're about
Speaker 1: to talk about. So, the presiding judge in Hitler's case
Speaker 1: was a guy named George Nightheart. Now Nightheart had a
Speaker 1: reputation for opposing democracy in liberalism and just loving himself
Speaker 1: the far right. He was a monarchist in his bones,
Speaker 1: and he took his rage at Weimar democracy out on
Speaker 1: left wing like uh, what McCall people like on the left.
Speaker 1: He wound up in his docket. Now, this was not
Speaker 1: an isolated phenomenon in Germany, most judges were very much
Speaker 1: far right. Statician Emile Gumbel analyzed murder trials in Fimar,
Speaker 1: Germany from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty two. Uh He
Speaker 1: found quote right wing defendants received a not guilty verdict
Speaker 1: no fewer than three d s three fifty four cases.
Speaker 1: There were no death penalties and only one life sentence.
Speaker 1: Left wing defendants, by contrast, were judged in a sent
Speaker 1: only four of the twenty two cases, receiving ten death
Speaker 1: penalties and three life sentences. The length of the sentence
Speaker 1: also confirmed the double standard, fifteen years on average for
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Speaker 1: to bring this back to modern history. The UK Guardian
Speaker 1: just conducted a study on last year's protests involving thirteen
Speaker 1: thousand left and right wing demonstrations, and found that police
Speaker 1: were like four times as likely to use force on
Speaker 1: left wing demonstrators and three and a half times as
Speaker 1: likely to use force on left wing demonstrators during protests
Speaker 1: where there was no destruction of property or looting. So
Speaker 1: this is not a the left like loots. More, this
Speaker 1: is a win in right wing protests where there's no violence,
Speaker 1: and left wing protests where there's no violence, the police
Speaker 1: are three times and a half times more likely to
Speaker 1: use islands against the left. Um stefol shit, it's the same.
Speaker 1: It's all the same, broadly speaking, like we do, like
Speaker 1: our judges and d a s and stuff are kind
Speaker 1: of well in some areas, are less like the Nazis
Speaker 1: where right, for one thing, they didn't transition from being
Speaker 1: under ricking to a democracy and weren't all angry about that,
Speaker 1: which is not. Like the whole justice department is stacked
Speaker 1: towards the right. But it's not as bad as it
Speaker 1: was for Weimar, but it's pretty bad now. Ninheart had
Speaker 1: actually ruled on a case involving Hitler once before, in
Speaker 1: January of nineteen two, when Hitler had attacked a rifle
Speaker 1: politician giving a speech at another beer hall. Hitler had
Speaker 1: faced three to six months in prison then, and Ninheart
Speaker 1: had ordered him to serve just a month, although he
Speaker 1: also put him on probation, and Hitler was on probation
Speaker 1: when he tried to overthrow the government in n He
Speaker 1: was on probation. Wow, damn, they are already on probation.
Speaker 1: Dagdad you but you're like, oh, I know to judge
Speaker 1: with good the judge who knew that Hitler was on probation,
Speaker 1: didn't bring this it up at all during the trial,
Speaker 1: didn't form the jury, made sure no one knew that
Speaker 1: Hitler was on probation when he tried to overthrow the government.
Speaker 1: Oh good, that's extremely funny. It's it's rad as hell.
Speaker 1: Don't don't yeah, no, no notes. So yeah. The website
Speaker 1: Famous Trials because get overview of how the case opened,
Speaker 1: and it makes it clear just how stacked the deck
Speaker 1: was in Hitler's favor. The presiding judge called Hitler to
Speaker 1: the stand, consistent with German procedure at the time, the
Speaker 1: questions came from the judge, not the prosecutor, although they
Speaker 1: were written largely by the prosecution. In the afternoon session,
Speaker 1: Hitler gave a nearly four hour opening statement that dazzled spectators.
Speaker 1: He began by telling his life story then shifted to
Speaker 1: his political vision. He was animated, his voice rising and
Speaker 1: falling as he laid out his vision of the country's
Speaker 1: problems and hopes for the future. He was unsparing in
Speaker 1: his criticism of racial minorities and left wing ideologies, calling
Speaker 1: communists not even human. He blamed the government in Berlin
Speaker 1: for the economic crisis, saying it had practically robbed the
Speaker 1: people of the last marks from their pockets. He said
Speaker 1: policy is made not with the palm branch, but the sword.
Speaker 1: Hitler's words were reported around the world. Hit their claim
Speaker 1: to want only the best for his people and said
Speaker 1: he alone bore the responsibility and also every consequence for
Speaker 1: the failed push. He compared the Bavarian leaders who turned
Speaker 1: on him to a horse that lost its courage before
Speaker 1: the hurdle. So four hours it is ship. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: one of the main impacts of this is that he
Speaker 1: gets to speak four hours and lay out his entire
Speaker 1: political philosophy at a trial that is internationally reported on.
Speaker 1: So suddenly this guy who was unknown outside of Bavaria
Speaker 1: becomes known worldwide. Yeah, because the judge lets him just
Speaker 1: say whatever he wants, just want. Can you imagine being
Speaker 1: a prosecution in a situation and being like, is he
Speaker 1: done a four hours four hours dog? Like you're not
Speaker 1: even talking about the case, yeah, yeah, are you serious? Yeah.
Speaker 1: So when sensitive matters were addressed, matters whose disclosure might
Speaker 1: be especially embarrassing to the government or suggest a violation
Speaker 1: of the Versailles Treaty, like all of the machine guns
Speaker 1: being given to militia's, the court went into secret session. So,
Speaker 1: for example, Hitler's testimony that his party stormtroopers were trained
Speaker 1: with a knowledge and support of Bavarian authorities, a clear
Speaker 1: violation of the treaty was never heard or reported by
Speaker 1: the international press. So the fact that, like before Hitler
Speaker 1: tried to overthrow the government, the army had trained and
Speaker 1: given guns to his militia's, they just hid that talk
Speaker 1: about that because it's a violation of international law. And
Speaker 1: as we just broke, we broke everyone's loss, everyone's loss there.
Speaker 1: So a bunch of fucked up stuff came out during
Speaker 1: the trial, including the fact that the Bavarian police commissioner
Speaker 1: had been promised by Hitler one week before the putsch
Speaker 1: that he would not do a push like Seisser went
Speaker 1: to Hitler was like, are you planning to overthrow the government.
Speaker 1: And there was like, no, of course not. Why is
Speaker 1: everybody Hitler overthrow a government? No? Hey, we're good, bro,
Speaker 1: you're good. Don't even you're good. We're good. Can I
Speaker 1: have some more machine guns? Like thirty more maybe tops, right,
Speaker 1: just thirty more machine guns for duck hunting? You know,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what pass medium guns. Promise you everything
Speaker 1: is cool. These are not overthrowing the government guns there, um,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, just walking around guns just
Speaker 1: for for the for for style collector. I'm a collector
Speaker 1: machine guns, dog, Doug, Why is everybody but why are
Speaker 1: body in power? Just believe the other dudes? Like it's
Speaker 1: amazing you go come back right, yeah, okay, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna do this right government? Are you? We're good? Man.
Speaker 1: They needed women in power because we would have been
Speaker 1: like trust issues. No, absolutely not, no, No, there's in
Speaker 1: There's been multiple times that my wife has been absolutely
Speaker 1: correct about stuff that I was completely like, it's cool.
Speaker 1: She was like, uh no it's not. And I'm smart
Speaker 1: enough after this many years to listen to her. Now,
Speaker 1: no one listened to anyone smart when they put Hitler
Speaker 1: on trial. There was a good member of the prosecution here,
Speaker 1: I wanted to put him away, but other members of
Speaker 1: the prosecution were actually sympathetic to Hitler. One of the
Speaker 1: prosecutors described Hitler's desire to institute a military dictatorship as
Speaker 1: a high, perhaps morally legitimate goal, although he added that
Speaker 1: this did not justify his use of criminal means. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you were right to overthrow the government to institute a dictatorship,
Speaker 1: But did you have to use violence? Not like this
Speaker 1: peaceful protest, Hitler? Come on, come on, man, not like this? Uh.
Speaker 1: The prosecution, some of the prosecution at least praised Hitler's
Speaker 1: honest efforts to inspire belief in the German cause, and said,
Speaker 1: as human beings, we cannot withhold our respect from Hitler.
Speaker 1: What I am growing trying to grow an him with
Speaker 1: the year. But I'm just like, Okay, I know heinz
Speaker 1: fam you for real? You know he's not getting enough respect,
Speaker 1: this Hitler, fella, This guy no respect reading. I've been
Speaker 1: reading this guy. I heard him talk for twenty two days,
Speaker 1: because he's shut up the whole twenty two days. And
Speaker 1: I think something in there. I think this guy might
Speaker 1: be a pretty good Hitler might be our best Hitler
Speaker 1: you know, let's give me a shot. Wow. On March seven,
Speaker 1: Hitler gave his final statement, as defendants were allowed to
Speaker 1: do under German law. Hitler told the court that his
Speaker 1: goal was never to become a minister. Instead, I wanted
Speaker 1: to be the destroyer of Marxism. He said. He was
Speaker 1: born for politics, and just as a bird must sing,
Speaker 1: because he is a bird, he had to engage in
Speaker 1: a political life. He felt he had the duty to
Speaker 1: step forward and saved Germany. The Putsch was not a failure,
Speaker 1: Hitler said. On the contrary, it raised people to the
Speaker 1: highest pitch of enthusiasm. He predicted the hour will come
Speaker 1: when the masses who stand in the streets under our
Speaker 1: swastika flag will unite with those who fired on us
Speaker 1: at us On November eight, he said, the army we
Speaker 1: have formed is growing from day to day. Hitler's words
Speaker 1: moved a number of people in the courtroom to tears.
Speaker 1: Hitler argued that the government was prosecuting the wrong people,
Speaker 1: for it is not you, gentlemen, who pronounced judgment upon us. Instead,
Speaker 1: the judgment of the eternal court of history will pronounce
Speaker 1: against this prosecution which has been raised against us. That's
Speaker 1: a quote from Famous Trials. Yeah, it's pretty great ship.
Speaker 1: They just let him say that kind of rocks. To
Speaker 1: be honest, he was and he was dead as serious
Speaker 1: that yo' I'm not done y'all the beginning. Oh No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep Hitler ng. That's what Hitler's do. Yeah, baby, yeah,
Speaker 1: the big big hit leries. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Is that a new T shirt? Too? Yeah? Can we
Speaker 1: get it? Always be? Probably not? Probably not, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's not do that. You don't probably not invoke. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can invoke the old hits putting
Speaker 1: on the hits. That's the shirt putting the hits to
Speaker 1: go where you can go, and sits putting on the hit.
Speaker 1: So Hitler and his co defendants were found guilty. Most
Speaker 1: of them were sentenced to five years in prison, which
Speaker 1: was the absolute minimum sentence, and they would all be
Speaker 1: eligible for parole in six months. Ludendorff was acquitted on
Speaker 1: all charges. Judge Nighthart justified the lenient sentences by citing
Speaker 1: Hitler's purely patriotic, noble, and unselfish motive of wanting to
Speaker 1: be the supreme ruler of all Germany. This guy is
Speaker 1: not selfish who just wants Yeah, it's amazing. Okay, I
Speaker 1: know I did this, and I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people die, but I'm also trying to take over the
Speaker 1: country in my defense. I wanted to be the dictator.
Speaker 1: You know, it's in my defense, and and I'm trying
Speaker 1: to save you from an imaginary enemy. Yeah, you might
Speaker 1: not have if I'm not your dictator. You know, you
Speaker 1: know when I get a dictator, if I wasn't your dictator.
Speaker 1: So some observers at the time recognized how preposterous and
Speaker 1: terrifying all of this was. Continue. Yeah. One German journalist
Speaker 1: called it a political carnival and pointed out that the
Speaker 1: judge allowing Hitler to make repeated flowery speeches just turned
Speaker 1: the trial into an ad for the Nazi Party, and
Speaker 1: it seems to have worked. That spring, despite the party
Speaker 1: being officially banned, three of Hitler's ten co defendants were
Speaker 1: elected to the Reich Stack. So when I think about, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I think about the fact that, like, okay, so
Speaker 1: we're going through another impeachment trial, is people still on
Speaker 1: Don Joan side? Like when I I just imagine myself
Speaker 1: being a senator and just when it's my time to talk,
Speaker 1: just being like, did we all not almost die Tuesday?
Speaker 1: What is the fucking hold up? We just did? Were
Speaker 1: y'all here? We was all here? Right? Did I didn't
Speaker 1: imagine this? Did we almost die on Tuesday? What? What
Speaker 1: are y'all talking about? Like? I just imagine that? So
Speaker 1: I imagine somebody in in you know, the Vimar Republic
Speaker 1: at the time, going, did y'all just here? Did I
Speaker 1: only one have just heard this? But did y'all Do
Speaker 1: y'all heard that this is a bad idea? How come
Speaker 1: nobody else here did this is a bad idea? Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's kind of the repeated story of fascism and a
Speaker 1: lot of countries. So because humans never learned anything? Not?
Speaker 1: Is that the name of your next podcast? After humans
Speaker 1: never learned anything? No one learns anything? So why listened
Speaker 1: to this show? Just downloaded? So I get the ad
Speaker 1: dollars and just stumble forward. So was sent to Lenzburg Prison.
Speaker 1: UM and Lensburg Prison had two parts. There was a
Speaker 1: normal prison, which is like a panopticon, one of those
Speaker 1: big prisons were like the guards in the middle can
Speaker 1: see everything everyone does. And then there's a big castle
Speaker 1: that's like a luxury hotel and Hitler gets sent to
Speaker 1: the luxury hotel. Part of it's like it's the Germans
Speaker 1: had a whole chunk of their justice system that was
Speaker 1: luxury prisons for mainly right wing terrorists. He was Yeah,
Speaker 1: count Arco Valley, the guy who shot Eisner, went to
Speaker 1: this prison and got like like like and gets like,
Speaker 1: you know, he lives in like a nice like a
Speaker 1: like a condo basically, And that's what Hitler gets. I
Speaker 1: might go rob somebody, so to go back, Oh no,
Speaker 1: you gotta try to overthrow the government. Yeah, so he
Speaker 1: gets a Hitler gets a private apartment at this castle.
Speaker 1: He's given tea coffee, nice food, a leader, a day
Speaker 1: of beer, and all the books he wanted to read.
Speaker 1: His time was on his own. He was allowed to
Speaker 1: spend five hours a day walking through the garden and
Speaker 1: stuff deep and thought. All of his friends were in
Speaker 1: jail with him, and they got to like party and
Speaker 1: play music. It was less prison and more being locked
Speaker 1: in a nice castle with your friends for less. Sounds
Speaker 1: like you're on a retreat. A lot of people would
Speaker 1: pay for this, you know, sounds like sounds like a
Speaker 1: frat house. I was going to say, like a TikTok
Speaker 1: influencer house. Yeah, it's a hype house, which is probably
Speaker 1: where our next fascist dictator will come from. Proud of
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Speaker 1: was that all of the comfortable free time that he
Speaker 1: got in Landsburg gave him space to work on his ideology.
Speaker 1: Here we Go nineteen twenty four would, as a result,
Speaker 1: go on to be one of the most important years
Speaker 1: in Hitler's life. I'm gonna quote now from a write
Speaker 1: up by Douglas Linder. By July, Hitler was hard at
Speaker 1: work on a work that would be both autobiography and
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Speaker 1: it would be seven hundred and eighty two pages long,
Speaker 1: and it would sell twelve million copies by nineteen forty five.
Speaker 1: In the book, Hitler developed the two great themes that
Speaker 1: would mark his later career. First, he defined world history
Speaker 1: as a struggle between races and saw Arians as the
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Speaker 1: he lays out a case for the imperative of German
Speaker 1: territorial expansion to the east. He called it living space
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Speaker 1: Supreme Court ruled in favor of Hitler's parole had there
Speaker 1: was released the next day, he said, when I left Ansberg,
Speaker 1: everybody wept, by which he means the guards, but not I.
Speaker 1: Hitler said his time in prison gave him that fearless faith,
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Speaker 1: he said that the prison had given him a frenzy
Speaker 1: of liberty, and that without my imprisonment, mine comp would
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Speaker 1: I felt like as soon as you name the prison,
Speaker 1: if this was a movie, and asked when like the
Speaker 1: single key of the haunting song starts that you think
Speaker 1: it's over, and then the music builds, and then it's
Speaker 1: having him walking around the thing with his hands behind
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Speaker 1: in on him writing. You know. On top of that,
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Speaker 1: Dune to be continued. Good. Yeah, yep, it's good stuff.
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Speaker 1: That the story of the push and what happened after.
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Speaker 1: because we didn't really that a lot of that hadn't
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Speaker 1: my names wrong because I thought this was the one
Speaker 1: when they set when he set the set the building
Speaker 1: on fire. No, No, that's the Reichstag fire. He's already
Speaker 1: in power when that happened at that point, right yeah,
Speaker 1: um No, this is this is his first attempt to
Speaker 1: take power, and the fact that he receives no meaningful
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