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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've seen

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Speaker 1: so much marketing for the Wicked movie. We're holding space

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Speaker 1: for Ariana Grande and Cynthia Revo to come on the show.

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Speaker 2: Group chat call us. It's Tuesday, November twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: Then on today's show you'll hear from Kansas City current

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Speaker 1: center back Alana Cook, who joined us at our live

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Speaker 1: show in case plus bear failure and as God is

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Speaker 1: my witness, I thought turkeys could fly. It's all coming

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Speaker 1: up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what you

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Speaker 1: need to know today in college basketball news, there's a

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Speaker 1: new number one in the Associated Press poll. After knocking

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Speaker 1: off defending champion South Carolina head coach Corey Closes UCLA

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Speaker 1: squad sits atop the poll for the first time in

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Speaker 1: program history. The Game Cocks slid to number four and

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Speaker 1: to Notre Dame on Saturday. We'll put a link to

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Speaker 1: the full AP poll for week four in our show

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Speaker 1: notes Soccer news, and it's news that we are simply

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Speaker 2: Right now, We're going.

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Speaker 1: To tell it to you and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: Two times FIFA Women's World Cup champion and twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: the Chicago Red Stars next season. In Pro Volleyball Pro

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Speaker 1: add it to your calendar now. Year two of PVF

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Speaker 1: play begins January ninth. In softball, the gms and coaches

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Speaker 1: for the inaugural season of the Athletes Unlimited Softball League

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Speaker 1: have been announced, including legendary players kat Oustman and Lisa Fernandez.

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Speaker 1: We'll link to the full list in our show notes.

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Speaker 1: AUSL starts play in June of twenty twenty five. We

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Speaker 1: you'll hear from Kansas City current and US Women's National

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Speaker 1: team player Alana Cook. She joined us at the Westport

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Speaker 1: some wonderful brands, sponsors, and team execs. Some of the

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Speaker 1: shout out to Laura Corni, founder and CEO of D

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Speaker 1: Blue Sports and Entertainment, and Jesse Katz, the head of

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Speaker 1: We've got center back for the casey current. Alana Cook,

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Speaker 1: also a US Women's national team member. Proud Stanford alum,

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of cook Hi everybody. So the current

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Speaker 2: Believes in your skill set. That's really cool.

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Speaker 1: I have to imagine you two make each other better

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Speaker 3: On the flight over here when we landed, I took

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Speaker 3: And you know, we always like say, if you're not

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, look at me, got it.

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Speaker 1: And I think the key to assuaging that bitterness is

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Speaker 2: Are you still doing your morning mantras?

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Speaker 3: Always?

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Speaker 3: with my secrets.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, fair enough.

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Speaker 1: While everybody it's working for her, so feel free to

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Speaker 1: adopt it if necessary.

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Speaker 2: Your mom's a great support system for you, you've said.

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Speaker 1: She even sometimes sends you tape of opponents that are

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Speaker 1: coming up to help you prep. She also has a

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Speaker 1: habit of sending one particular kind of text. If you

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Speaker 1: have a bad game or lose, can you tell us

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Speaker 1: what that is?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's usually just like a heart. That's how I

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Speaker 3: know I've had a terrible game. If I have like

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Speaker 3: a game, it's there's critique, But if it was bad,

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Speaker 3: it's a heart, and I'm like, oh that okay, I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna have to go review the film very quickly.

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Speaker 1: It's like the opposite of no notes. It's like all notes,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just gonna stick with a heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You once said that some of the best advice you've

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Speaker 2: Why did that resonate with you?

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Speaker 3: I think in a profession like this, we're constantly demanding

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Speaker 3: more of ourselves. Where you know, sometimes in the middle

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Speaker 3: of the season, you feel like you're under the think,

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Speaker 3: you're in the think, you're you're almost in war, right,

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Speaker 3: it's game after game after game. Midweek, you're in practice,

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Speaker 3: you're you know, you're doing a double day, you're doing this,

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Speaker 3: that and the other. And I think sometimes that can

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Speaker 3: get heavy, that can weigh on you. If you're not

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Speaker 3: performing well, if the team's not doing well. It's easy

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Speaker 3: to dwell in those low points, and I think when

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Speaker 3: I heard that quote, it was kind of a reminder

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Speaker 3: of you know, you don't have to carry all of

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Speaker 3: that heaviness all the time, right. The point is to

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Speaker 3: climb your obstacles, not to carry them. And I think

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Speaker 3: you come up for air, you get perspective. You can

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Speaker 3: kind of you know, see the see the bigger perspective

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Speaker 3: and see what you're doing, and then you can hone

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Speaker 3: back in and kind of narrow down what you're working on,

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Speaker 3: break it into little bits. But if you don't come

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Speaker 3: up for air, right, I think you're you're drowning rather

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Speaker 3: than being able to kind of bit by bit paddle

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Speaker 3: paddle your way out.

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Speaker 1: That might be useful for the next four years and

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Speaker 1: one and a half months Speed round to close. You're

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Speaker 1: still taking piano and saxophone lessons. Saxophone, yes, okay, what's

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Speaker 1: the go to song? If someone's like, play us something,

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Speaker 1: show us you can play Okay.

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Speaker 3: See I'm still like hot cross Buns amazing. Yeah. My

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Speaker 3: instructor I started in Seattle and this man was so kind.

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Speaker 3: I would as a high achieving athlete, I'm not used

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Speaker 3: I need to the term I was, I like to

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Speaker 3: need to microdose failure, like I need to go be

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Speaker 3: bad at something and like have a low stakes failure

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Speaker 3: because then you know, when you're failing on the like

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Speaker 3: in practice, you just you're you're better able to deal

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Speaker 3: with it. So I was like, let me go do saxophone.

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Speaker 3: I'm in this lesson and he's like okay, like put

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Speaker 3: just absolutely no noise would come out, and he was like,

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Speaker 3: you're doing so great. It's like, no, what, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: He was like okay, I mean, yeah, you're right. I

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Speaker 3: was like, just just give it to me straight.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: He was like, yeah that was bad. But Hot Cross Buns, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's so funny to come out of a saxophone.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny to use that song because I was

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Speaker 1: all stayed in clarinet in case Saymon was wondering, and

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Speaker 1: I tried to take up guitar in college and I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, I'm unwilling to play Hot Cross Buns

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Speaker 1: know the best and most important songs, and I have

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Speaker 1: no patience at this age.

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Speaker 3: I said, how long will it take me to be

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Speaker 3: able to improve? He said A long time right. I

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Speaker 3: don't like that answer.

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Speaker 1: Noah, Literally, Mish and I producer mich and I were

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Speaker 1: just exchanging looks because literally yesterday we had a conversation

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Speaker 1: about how they're taking up piano to fail so that

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Speaker 1: they can learn how to be bad at something and

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Speaker 1: be okay with it. I am still unwilling to do that,

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Speaker 1: but I am going to take this note from both.

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Speaker 2: Of you and think about it. Once I find something

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Speaker 2: i'm bad at.

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Speaker 3: Start there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just getting I can just do math every day

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Speaker 1: and I get reminded math is hard.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Last question, Your dog Bo shares a birthday with Do

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Speaker 1: they have anything in common?

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Speaker 2: They're both tauruses.

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Speaker 3: I actually don't really know how it came to be

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Speaker 3: that we decided his birthday was Roses. I simply think

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Speaker 3: Rose said his birthday should be mine, and we all said, okay. Honestly,

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Speaker 3: they're both the goofiest, quirkiest, long legged, skinny little things

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Speaker 3: you've ever seen, athletic silly humans. Rose level. I feel

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Speaker 3: like people know now it is the biggest pranker I've

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Speaker 3: ever met in my whole life. So I would like

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Speaker 3: to think Bo has gotten some of that silliness I

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Speaker 3: love about him.

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Speaker 1: If anyone doesn't know anything about Rose and they want

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Speaker 1: to get to the heart of it, just google Rose

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Speaker 1: Celine Dion Yes, and that will be everything you need

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Speaker 1: to know. Alana, thanks so much for giving us time.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on such a great season.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you guys, a lot of cook everybody.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Alana for hopping on and joining us.

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Speaker 1: We got to take another break stick around welcome back slices.

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Speaker 1: As always, we love that you're listening, but we want

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Speaker 1: you to get in the game every day too, So

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Speaker 1: here's our good game play of the day. You remember

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Speaker 1: that Billa Jean King cup mascot we fell in love

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Speaker 1: with back in Malaga. Well, I was on a flight

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Speaker 1: with one of bjk's team members back to the States

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Speaker 1: raving about this thing. We called it Bali Jen King,

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Speaker 1: But it turns out her name is Nettie King and

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Speaker 1: she's got an insta at Nettie King underscore BJK Cup.

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Speaker 1: That's Nettie, n Ettie. This thing is wild. Just hit

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Speaker 1: follow I promise you won't be disappointed. Also, thanks to

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Speaker 1: everyone who sent in Thanksgiving, TV and movie Rex including

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Speaker 1: a voicemail suggestion from a certified slice named Michelle out

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Speaker 1: of Lexington, South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Take a listen, Hello, Senior Slices, this is Michelle, thanksgiving

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Speaker 4: me The recommendation one that maybe you're not familiar with

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Speaker 4: that I've always enjoyed. It's called What's Cooking?

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Speaker 3: With a question mark.

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Speaker 4: I see that it streams on Prime, so you should be.

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Speaker 3: Able to find it.

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Speaker 4: It's got a wonderful, pretty female dominated cast, and don't

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Speaker 4: watch it when you're hungry, or you will go and

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Speaker 4: absolutely gorge yourself on food. So if you haven't seen it,

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Speaker 4: definitely given a watch.

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Speaker 3: Love the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks good looking out Michelle.

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Speaker 1: Some others that got lots of mentions on social media

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Speaker 1: w Kripe and Cincinnati Turkey's Away, How I Met Your Mother,

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Speaker 1: The Slapsgiving Episode, The West Wing, Shibballeth, all of the

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Speaker 1: bobs Burgers Thanksgiving apps. I have literally never seen a

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Speaker 1: single episode of Bob's Burger's, and everyone is raving.

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Speaker 3: Is that your show? Meiche Yes, and you're absolutely insane

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Speaker 3: for having never seen an episode. I cannot you know that?

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Speaker 3: That's my ring tone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, on my mind.

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Speaker 1: It's so good it's worth watching it's the ultimate relaxation

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Speaker 1: decompression show, and everyone loves the Thanksgiving ups, so okay,

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Speaker 1: that's a good one. And then a lot of people

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Speaker 1: shouted out episodes of Cheers, Gilmore, Girls, Darman, Greg, The

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Speaker 2: Tons of votes.

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Speaker 1: Two for the movies Pieces of April, Dutch and Home

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Speaker 1: for the Holidays, and obviously the Goat, planes, trains, and automobiles.

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Speaker 2: So thanks slices.

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Speaker 1: The couch is calling and we now have a very

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Speaker 1: long list of things to watch this week. You can

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Speaker 1: Lounging around watching all those shows this holiday week, don't

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