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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome back to the Hammer Territory podcast

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Speaker 1: presented by Fox One. I'm your host, Brad Rowland, coming

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Speaker 1: to you here on a Sunday evening. It's episode two

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Speaker 1: eighty five, and I'm joined I'm a good friend Scott Coleman.

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Speaker 2: Scott's by three weeks. How are you hello, Brad? It

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Speaker 2: is good to have you back stateside. You were dearly missed.

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Speaker 2: And hey, if you look at the calendar now, third

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Speaker 2: weekend of October, as of people listening, we will either

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Speaker 2: have a World Series set or a Game seven and.

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Speaker 3: Then a World Series.

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Speaker 2: We're recording just about as Game six of the ALCS

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Speaker 2: is getting going, just to timestamp this on the chance

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Speaker 2: we would get news, but off season right around the corner.

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Speaker 2: Of course, it's a very important off season for the Braves,

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Speaker 2: and who knows, maybe by the next time we get together, Brad,

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Speaker 2: maybe the Braves will have a manager or be close

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Speaker 2: to hiring a manager. Because it feels like it feels

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Speaker 2: like the week ahead could be a busy one, not

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Speaker 2: just for the Braves but across all of baseball.

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Speaker 1: Certainly, we started to get some news around baseball about

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Speaker 1: other managerial openings, not necessarily being filled but getting closer there.

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Speaker 1: There's been some some giants reporting in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days, for example, Braves not so much. But I

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Speaker 1: think it's certainly we are in the zone where it

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Speaker 1: would no longer be a surprise if we got a

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Speaker 1: Braves managerial announcement in the coming days. I did record

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Speaker 1: with our colleague Stephen Tolbert a couple of days ago

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Speaker 1: for my first podcast back, but we, uh fastidiously did

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Speaker 1: not talk about the managerial search. We're trying to take

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Speaker 1: a podcast off from the managerial search in some ways,

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Speaker 1: and I did realize as you and I were talking

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Speaker 1: about this podcast, and by the way, later on we'll

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Speaker 1: get to other things like, for instance, targets and the

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Speaker 1: trade market that we'll talk about a very sexy topic.

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Speaker 1: I have to say first though, we did. Really I

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Speaker 1: did realize. I never talked about Brian Sticker retiring or anything,

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Speaker 1: because it happened the day after I left. So all

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Speaker 1: these things that I've listened to you guys talk about it.

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Speaker 1: You and I kind of did a pre a pre

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Speaker 1: Bryan Sticker episode where I shared some thoughts and I

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Speaker 1: stand by those thoughts, but it was interesting to kind

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Speaker 1: of realize I hadn't waited at all in the managerial thing.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a after all this time? I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you, Scott, after all this time are you are

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Speaker 1: you leaning in a direction or do you have a favorite?

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Speaker 1: I know it's it's impossible on the outside to really know.

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Speaker 1: Like I kind of laugh honestly when people have like

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Speaker 1: very very very strong opinions about the manager, because it's

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Speaker 1: like you guys don't know. You guys don't know, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's be serious. But I say all that to say is, Scott,

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Speaker 1: do you have strong thoughts on the manager at this point?

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if I have a super

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Speaker 2: strong conviction with who the Braves hire. I probably feel

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Speaker 2: stronger about who they shouldn't hire based on some of

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Speaker 2: the reported candidates, Like like if the Braves hire Mark

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Speaker 2: de Rosa, I'm gonna just I'm gonna be beside myself.

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Speaker 2: I have no interest in Mark Durosa. I really don't

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Speaker 2: have interest in Walt Weiss. I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 2: you'd be just kind of running it back. And if

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Speaker 2: they were going to run it back, I probably would

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Speaker 2: have tried to convince Brian Snitker to do one more

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Speaker 2: year I mean, all things equal, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it's a hot take, but it probably takes Snit over Weiss.

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Speaker 2: But for me, the one candidate who I keep coming

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Speaker 2: back to for the Braves is George Lombard. He checks

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Speaker 2: basically every box. And I mean, let me throw it

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Speaker 2: to you, Brad. I mean, I know we've talked about

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Speaker 2: not only just kind of what makes sense, but what

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Speaker 2: Alex has publicly talked about what he's looking for.

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Speaker 3: And a manager.

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Speaker 2: He knows Alex Enthopless from their time together with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: He's been in some good organizations. Where are you at

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Speaker 2: with with the managerial search?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny, you know, as we've made fun of sometimes,

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Speaker 1: the zone where I bibly remember George Lombard as like

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Speaker 1: you and I are not doing We're not kid You

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Speaker 1: and I are not Ken Rosenthal or we're gonna break

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Speaker 1: I'm not someone who thinks that they have to hire

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Speaker 1: say all that, like the the intel is great. None

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Speaker 1: of us know if he's going to be a great manager.

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Speaker 1: I won't claim to know that. But if they announced

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Speaker 1: George Lombard as the manager on Monday, I would be happy.

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Speaker 1: which is a good test case. And they're other candidates too,

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Speaker 1: Like I'm intrigued by Ricky Weeks, a former player Brewers

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Speaker 2: So I was curious and I asked around some people

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Speaker 2: Alexanthopolis said at his end of year media availability, he

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Speaker 2: the dugout as like the priority for his managerial search.

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Speaker 2: And everybody around Detroit raves about George Lombard, And funny enough,

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Speaker 2: one source actually said he might almost be too nice,

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Speaker 2: where there might even be like a smidge of hesitancy

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Speaker 2: that when you know, when the poop hits the fan

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Speaker 2: with the media about a tough situation that would be

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Speaker 2: new to him. Now, I think that's something you can

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Speaker 3: He's been the right.

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Speaker 2: Hand man to aj Hinch, who is a fantastic manager.

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Speaker 2: The Tigers have gotten the absolute most out of the

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Speaker 2: a very forward thinking front office that embraces analytics and

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Speaker 2: He was the first base coach during that time. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Lombard has done basically everything there is to

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Speaker 2: feels like it might be his time now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, That's the one sticking point is we're not breaking

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Speaker 1: the ground here, but I get it, you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure in your message, like mine, it's like, well he's

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Speaker 1: and look, if that's a qualification for Alex, he probably

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Speaker 1: wouldn't tell us that. If he's dead set on someone's

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Speaker 1: manage before. That shrinks the list down. That's just that's

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Speaker 2: And that is a tiny That is a tiny list

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Speaker 2: of candidates. At one point, Nick Saban had never been

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Speaker 1: I'm with you one hundred percent. I just think that, like,

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Speaker 1: else that you see, for one Bard is positive. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's not again, he's not the younges. I think he's fifty. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think the candidates that we've kind of all thought

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Speaker 1: Mark Roser what Weiss and I'm gonna have to play

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Speaker 1: this clip for everybody for just to say, hey, Scott

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Speaker 1: I would I would be active want Weiss. I would

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Speaker 1: just kind of be like, that's such a boring hire.

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Speaker 1: But it's probably like a floor play. And truthfully, Weiss

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Speaker 1: If what Weiss just blows Alex away in the interview

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't like that approach. If he's a k it

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Speaker 1: And you love that. It's your fair thing about baseball.

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Speaker 3: What are you going to do? That's an episode?

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, the manager it's about

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Speaker 1: If there's anything that is clear, it's that the vast

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Speaker 3: But it tends to happen.

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Speaker 2: I would wager that Alex has had some pretty serious

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Speaker 3: Right now, but Yai.

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Speaker 2: give you, Brad Rowland, every single dollar.

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Speaker 3: On this earth to my name. Yep, you have my word.

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Speaker 1: All right, Welcome back to hammerd Territory presented by Fox

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Speaker 1: one and after discussing managerial candidates. This does a little

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Speaker 1: bit more fun. I gotta be honest with you, Scott,

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Speaker 3: It just what oh yeah, and this.

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Speaker 2: We know how frequently pitchers get hurt in this game.

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Speaker 2: So on the money thing, yes, thirty five million dollars

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Speaker 2: That is a boatload of money. However, in that report

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Speaker 2: in a rebuild to get more prospects. I will say,

431
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Speaker 2: I don't think you want the Cardinals to cover like

432
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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars, because then you're gonna have to give

433
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Speaker 2: up a lot more in prospect capital. But for those

434
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Speaker 2: kind of recoiling and I'm somewhat one of them at

435
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Speaker 2: the thirty five million dollar price tag, if Saint Louis

436
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Speaker 2: threw in five ten, maybe even like twelve to fifteen million,

437
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Speaker 2: then you would only have more money to go at

438
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Speaker 2: a closer, to add a short stop, to add another bat,

439
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Speaker 2: to add more bullpen depth. Like there's it's a sliding scale,

440
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Speaker 2: and I think you're trying to find the sweet spot

441
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Speaker 2: of Okay, we'll give you a pretty good prospect, but

442
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Speaker 2: you have to throw in X dollars and try to

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Speaker 2: find that sweet spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: Again like it's going to cost. There is a in fact,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk about a player in a minute on the

447
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Speaker 1: show who would be a lot cheaper monetary, similar quality

448
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Speaker 1: of picture, but a lot cheap monetarily, but because of

449
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Speaker 1: that would cost a lot more you would think in

450
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Speaker 1: prospect capital. And there is a balance there, right and expenses.

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Speaker 1: What else you want to do, It depends on what

452
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Speaker 1: you're what ownership's spending tolerance is. You know, the Braves

453
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Speaker 1: famously this year reset their clocks and taxes and all

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Speaker 1: those things. And that's okay if you now go back

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Speaker 1: over them now and spend the way that you were

456
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Speaker 1: spending before TVD on that. But yeah, there's there's a

457
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Speaker 1: middle ground here for sure. With Gray, he has no

458
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Speaker 1: trade loss as well. I would imagine the Braves would

459
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Speaker 1: be an interesting team for him if it got to

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Speaker 1: that point. I don't want to ever say that a

461
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Speaker 1: guy is definitely gonna have no track lost until he does,

462
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Speaker 1: until he says he will. But given that he's he's

463
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Speaker 1: a Southern guy, it's a good team on paper. I

464
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Speaker 1: know they were a good team last year, but the

465
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Speaker 1: Braves were projected to be a good team again, a

466
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Speaker 1: better team than the Cardinals. And you know, if you're

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Speaker 1: if you're not in love with being in Lewis in

468
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Speaker 1: the middle of a rebil, which i'd imagine a thirty

469
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Speaker 1: six year old probably isn't, I would guess the Braves

470
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Speaker 1: would be an attractive enough team for him to weigh

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Speaker 1: that more. Not all the time, but some of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sonny is from Nashville, he pitched at Vanderbilt, He's

473
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Speaker 2: from the region. And yeah, I mean, you never want

474
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Speaker 2: to pretend to know what's going yeah in a player's head,

475
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Speaker 2: but it would there are some guys who were just like,

476
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Speaker 2: not gonna do it no matter what you reade. The

477
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Speaker 2: buyer Buckston reporting early this winter, and maybe he sols

478
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Speaker 2: on that, but there was like it could not have

479
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Speaker 2: been more definitive. It was like, I am not waiting

480
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Speaker 2: my no trade clause for any reason. Yeah, and yet

481
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Speaker 2: there's still race fans. I'm sure it happens to you

482
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Speaker 2: every week.

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Speaker 1: I get a buyer bucks to the question that I mention,

484
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Speaker 1: it's because people just don't want to believe it because

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Speaker 1: he's from a Georgia and I get that, but like, yeah,

486
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Speaker 1: some guys are just like, hey, I'm not moving period.

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Speaker 3: And I get that.

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Speaker 1: If you have you got kids, you earn that no

489
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Speaker 1: trade clause. If you don't, if you want to wield it,

490
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Speaker 1: wield it. No beef with me, But I think he

491
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Speaker 1: probably would be at least a logical candidate to try

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Speaker 1: to extract even with that.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if the Cardinals are tearing it down, I

495
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Speaker 2: would sure think that Sonny would be open to a

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Speaker 2: trade to the Braves. And so he's owned thirty five

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Speaker 2: million dollars.

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Speaker 3: For next season.

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Speaker 2: He also has kind of a mutual option for twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty seven, which is actually pretty rare nowadays, but you

501
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Speaker 2: can read up on the exact language of it, but

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Speaker 2: basically I believe it is a team option first and

503
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Speaker 2: then Gray canvoid is his part of the deal.

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Speaker 3: After the fact.

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Speaker 2: There's also a five million dollar buyout, So it seems

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Speaker 2: to me like if a trade were to happen, it

507
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Speaker 2: would make sense to work out again a Chrissale type

508
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Speaker 2: of deal where maybe you guarantee two years and then

509
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Speaker 2: get a club option on the back end again, Kart

510
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Speaker 2: before the horse and all of that. But you would

511
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Speaker 2: think if the Braves are going to give up a

512
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Speaker 2: prospect of real caliber to get a sunny gray type

513
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Speaker 2: or anybody, you would certainly want him around for more

514
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Speaker 2: than just the one year.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and you know we won't run down the road

516
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Speaker 1: if far notough to talk about what it would cost.

517
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Speaker 1: It would cost something like it. It's not a giveaway.

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Speaker 1: They're going to want some prospect capital as notable. For

519
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Speaker 1: the degree of that will matter will probably depend on

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Speaker 1: how much money you're spending, how much money he's costing

521
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Speaker 1: all these things. But it would cost something. And look,

522
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Speaker 1: we don't have to really get this again. We'll probably

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Speaker 1: do it again a lot this winter. I believe, and

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Speaker 1: I think you do it from a previous conversation. We

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Speaker 1: can correct me if you're if I'm wrong, I believe

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Speaker 1: the Braves need a credible like top three in the

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Speaker 1: rotation picture.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, and well that you said, I know, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, we agree. There are people in the fan base

530
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Speaker 1: that do not. There are people that believe that they

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Speaker 1: just and they'll start naming the prospects. I get it,

532
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Speaker 1: I get it, But just to do the bit one

533
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Speaker 1: more time. You need you need seven eights nine started pictures,

534
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Speaker 1: and I think they need to approven entity and it

535
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Speaker 1: has to be Senting gree It could be senter grade.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it doesn't have to be. But he is the

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Speaker 1: kind of player, the kind of player, kind of picture

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Speaker 1: that would would you factor at all of what Alex does,

539
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Speaker 1: all of what the team needs, the money side of things,

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Speaker 1: all of it. I think he's extremely logical. Doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. In fact, there have been years before

542
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Speaker 1: this or you and I argue how logical. He was

543
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Speaker 1: either a freegency or in Troy Target it didn't happen.

544
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Speaker 1: But I think he's again, like, for whatever reason, would

545
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Speaker 1: it just be weird if he never was a Brave.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of would be weird they

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Speaker 1: never got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh he's Sonny has felt like a Brave forever.

549
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Speaker 2: There was also and then we'll get off this, but

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Speaker 2: there was also a note in the trade rumors report

551
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Speaker 2: that the Braves were reportedly interested in Sonny Gray. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there were years ago when when he signed with Saint Louis,

553
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Speaker 2: he got a fantastic contract from the Cardinals, and he's

554
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Speaker 2: been worth that money so far. Again, he's getting a

555
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Speaker 2: little bit older. He is not, I guess a one

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Speaker 2: thousand percent certainty.

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Speaker 3: But you think about this.

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Speaker 2: Rotation Brad Sale, Schwellenbach, Strider Gray. That gives you some

559
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Speaker 2: versatility with someone like Rinaldo Lopez if you want to

560
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Speaker 2: shift him to the bullpen or Grant Holmes to the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: Like there's adding a good starter. Not only helps your

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Speaker 2: rotation a ton, but it could free up another arm

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Speaker 2: for the bullpen, and frankly, the Braves you're probably gonna

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Speaker 2: need some bullpen help as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes they are. Jury says we're in favor of a pursuit.

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Speaker 1: I would say, not to speak for you, Scott, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna reap between the lines and say word a favorite pursuit.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if anything comes to this, but all the

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Speaker 1: makings are there for us to circle back to this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: later on I did tease earlier another name in a

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Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, welcome back to Hammer Territory presented by Fox One.

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Speaker 1: And if you're talking about Sunny Gray, Freddy Peralta has

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Speaker 1: come up now less of a direct tied to the

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Speaker 1: Braves right now than with Sunny Gray, say that out

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Speaker 1: the top. But I had someone that's a listener. I

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Speaker 1: won't say who, because they didn't want me to say

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Speaker 1: send me the link right away to this, and I'd

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Speaker 1: seen it too. Amy McCullough of The Athletic wrote a

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Speaker 1: piece in which he highlighted Peralta as a player that

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Speaker 1: the Brewers are quote expected to at least field offers

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Speaker 1: on this winter. And unlike Sunny Gray, Freddy Peralta is cheap.

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Speaker 1: Freddy Peralta makes eight million dollars in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: And actually it's a club option the Brewers have now

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Speaker 1: that's going to be picked up without without without a question.

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Speaker 1: But eight million dollars is a fixed cost. And if

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Speaker 1: the Braves were trying to be a little bit more

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Speaker 1: cost conscious, he would be a fantastic target. With that said,

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Speaker 1: and I alluded to this already, I would imagine it

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Speaker 1: was going and that will cost a pretty penny as

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Speaker 1: far as prospects are concerned, because the Brewers are trying

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Speaker 1: to win. The Brewers are not a rebuilding team. They're

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Speaker 1: trying to win, so they're trading him, treading it because

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Speaker 1: they don't think they they could resign him. Pretty much

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Speaker 1: like if Freddy Perulta has a good year this year,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get a lot of money next year, which

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Speaker 1: is part of this. But if you were the Braves

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Speaker 1: and you're trying to like maybe it would probably probably

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Speaker 1: be a rental or maybe you find one of your

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Speaker 1: Alex Magic extensions, but probably probably a rentzel. But hey,

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Speaker 1: a really good eight million dollars rental and a player

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Speaker 1: who was a two tome All Star twenty nine years

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Speaker 1: old who's been like not an ace probably but like

633
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Speaker 1: a top I don't know, thirty forty guy in the league.

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Speaker 1: And that's a really really good.

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Speaker 3: Pitcher at least. Yeah, Freddy Peralta is really good. He's

636
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Speaker 3: been really good for a while now.

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Speaker 2: And what's interesting, and you said this a moment ago,

638
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Speaker 2: is Milwaukee's obviously trying to win, like they just led

639
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Speaker 2: Baseball in regular season wins, and you know they're probably

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Speaker 2: looking for like either big league ready talent or guys

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Speaker 2: in Triple A who are knocking on the door. The

642
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 2: Braves do have some of that in Gwinnett, especially on

643
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Speaker 2: the pitching side. Maybe those pitchures would be of interest.

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Speaker 2: The concern with Paralta is you give up a lot

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Speaker 2: in prospect capital and then you have to go and

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Speaker 2: pay two hundred million.

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Speaker 1: Dollars or or or you or you do it knowing

648
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Speaker 1: it's a one year rental, which I don't think is

649
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: the most Braves thing to do. Like, if you're paying

650
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 1: what it's probably gonna cost, it's it's really hard to

651
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: swallow and say, all right, we got one year with

652
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: Breddy Peralta, especially when you're coming off of what the

653
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: Braves just did last year. And I think everyone in

654
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: baseball under well mush centerstance projects the Braves to be

655
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: better than that. But man, it's a tough sell. So

656
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: that's why he that's why he's second on this. That's

657
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: why we talked about Sunny Gray for longer. I think

658
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: Gray is so much more likely than per Alta. But

659
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Speaker 1: when a player like par Aalta like gets reported out

660
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: there from a good reporter to say, hey, the Brewiser

661
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: gonna take offers, you know it's.

662
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Speaker 2: A name to put on the list it is, and

663
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: you know it's again we we don't know what kind

664
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Speaker 2: of financial situation this team is going to be in

665
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: this winter, so it just becomes a numbers game. So

666
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: let's high pathetically, Brad, say the Brave signed Hassan Kim

667
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: at seventeen or eighteen million dollars and then for easy math,

668
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: let's say they trade for Sonny Gray and the Cardinals

669
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Speaker 2: kick in thirteen millions. So say you pay twenty two

670
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: million to Sonny Gray and you're paying eighteen million to

671
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: Hassan Kim.

672
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: That's forty million.

673
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: Dollars, and you still need to add a closer, You

674
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: still need to probably add another bullpen arm, you could

675
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: probably use another bat like.

676
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: There's there'd still be things to do. Now.

677
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Speaker 2: If Alex and Thopolas has forty five million dollars to

678
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Speaker 2: work with this offseason, then trading for like a Sonny

679
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: Gray is gonna probably be pretty tough because then you

680
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: it's just the math doesn't work out very well. So

681
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 2: maybe then he could be forced to trading for a

682
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Peralta or a cheaper starting pitcher in order to kind

683
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 2: of check off everything on his list. Yeah, and again

684
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: I want to Michelle, I don't forget to say this

685
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: one more time. They don't have to trade Peralta. No, Like,

686
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: if this is if this is a rebuilding team, like

687
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 2: it was Garrett Crochet a year ago, right where it

688
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: was like, hey, they're gonna trade this guy, and he's

689
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 2: gonna get traded and they're going he's gonna sign a

690
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: big extention somewhere. That's what happened, right.

691
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: The Braves were kind of in that for a half

692
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: a second and then they work, right.

693
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, didn't want to give up Drake Baldon, which I

694
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: don't blame.

695
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:11,479
Speaker 3: Them as did.

696
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes total sense. But with Paralta, like the

697
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Brews could just say, you know what, we're gonna do

698
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: one last ride with him. He's gonna leave in the winter,

699
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: but we're within we're World Series team. They could credibly

700
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: send it with a straight face.

701
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: Right.

702
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Speaker 1: Yeah, if he was uh, let's just say, if he

703
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: was on the I won't use the Marlins if he

704
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: was on the pick a bad team in the American

705
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: rates or that too. Pirates is five pirates, Pirates works,

706
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: and it would be like guys, they got to trade

707
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: for a Paralta and it's like almost like he's just

708
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: on the block right at that point in time, Bruce,

709
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: don't have to do that, So I want to make

710
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: sure we mentioned him. There's but again been no direct

711
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: link to the Braves. Unlike unlike with Gray, where there

712
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: was a report not neces of interest, but like a

713
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: very very logical, Brave centric viewpoint. Parlta doesn't have that.

714
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: But he is a guy that like got reported to

715
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: be potentially available, and a guy who's twenty nine who

716
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: over the last seven hundred plus endings has a three

717
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: point three ra like he's a very very good pitcher.

718
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, make a call, Alex, and nothing else you

719
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: got you got to call any will Alex calls it everybody,

720
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 1: He'll he'll make a call.

721
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm gonna say, if Prault is actually available,

722
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: I mean, Milwaukee's gonna have their choice of about fifteen

723
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: teams who.

724
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 3: Are going to make a phone call.

725
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: As it should, I mean when you're when the guy

726
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 1: with the million dollars, Like, everybody can be calling. Even

727
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: the chief teams could call, Like even even the you

728
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: know teams like the Rays who like don't do that,

729
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: could could they could reasonably call on Frey Pralton when

730
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: he wakes eight million dollars. So yeah, anyway, uh one

731
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Speaker 1: more than Scott before we get out of here. And

732
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Speaker 1: it kind of came out of our of Stephen and

733
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: I talking on Friday, which people, if you've missed that conversation,

734
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Speaker 1: listen to that one. We appreciate it. We subscribe to

735
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: Hamier Territory anywhere you get your podcasts. A question came

736
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: out of that actually that I want to have. I

737
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: want to ask you because I kind of waited until

738
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: a little bit with Stephen, but we talked about five

739
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: players who were raising from like likely to potentially gone

740
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: from the roster, and at the very end of that,

741
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: at that podcast, we discussed like, hey, if it's a trade,

742
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: who would the guys be that might get traded? And

743
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: the question goes from Caleb who says, who is the

744
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: player most likely to be traded on the Brands roster?

745
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: So Caleb asked us, now I'm asking you Scott, Do

746
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: you have a projection on who the most likely player

747
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: is to be traded on the roster? And you can't.

748
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: It can't be.

749
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: You can't say Nick Allen. You can't say one of

750
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: the guys who mixed the minimum. That's a cop out.

751
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: Give me a real answer on player most likely to

752
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: be traded on the roster.

753
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, or somebody who's going to get squeezed off the

754
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 2: forty man in a couple of weeks.

755
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: The briefs like Vadal Rahan is not the answer. I'm sorry, Vidal,

756
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: tough but fair, all right.

757
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say I have a pitcher and I

758
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: have a position player in mind. Here on the picture side,

759
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: I would say Aaron Bummer. Now, I don't know what

760
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 2: if there would even be much of a market for

761
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 2: Bummer coming off an injury that cost him the rest

762
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 2: of the season, and Bummer is oh nine and a

763
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 2: half million dollars next year, fully guaranteed. I think Aaron

764
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 2: Bummer is a totally fine lefty reliever. He's not great,

765
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: but he's also not just absolutely awful like I think

766
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: some people in the fan base think he is. It

767
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 2: was also always very weird that Brian Snicker refused to

768
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: give Bummer any kind of leverage in big spots, But

769
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 2: I do think nine and a half million dollars for

770
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: what Aaron Bummer will give you next year, if the

771
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: Braves have an opportunity to get off that contract, I

772
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: would be fine with it because I think you could

773
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: probably replicate that kind of left handed production for less

774
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 2: than effectively ten million dollars in an offseason where you

775
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: have some big time items on your checklist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's funny if people heard the show like

777
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: we immediately went to Bummer as well, like as probably

778
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: the most likely player to be traded, only you know,

779
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: relievers get traded a lot. That's that's one reason the

780
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: price tag. Stephn did make the point, and I actually

781
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: didn't think about this until he said it, Like we've

782
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 1: always thought it's a podcast. He was being under you

783
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 1: by Brian Sticker. But Brian Sticker's not gonna be there anymore.

784
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: So if Alex agrees with us, which we don't know,

785
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: but Alex might agree with us on that topic, and

786
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: if he says, you know what, he might have more

787
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: value now that we have a different manager that might

788
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: not hate him for whatever reason. I'm kidding slightly about that,

789
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: but no, I think objectively, you know, we might be wrong.

790
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: I think it almost has to be Aaron Bummer as

791
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: the most likely point it. But this means it's gonna

792
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: be traded. But like if you do the math on

793
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: like his contract, it's a one year deal, easy to

794
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: move reliever Lefty, everybody wants left these and the rest

795
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: of the team who's under contract, it kind of has

796
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: to be Aaron Bummer. Like, I don't know, but I okay,

797
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: you said you had a hitter as well. I have

798
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: a feeling I know who it is, but I'll ask

799
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Speaker 1: you who it is, So the hitter.

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Speaker 3: Would be Sean Murphy.

801
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: To be clear, I am not necessarily campaigning to trade Murphy.

802
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: I also think the fact that he had a pretty

803
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: serious hip problem that he needed for a month and

804
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: a half ago is going to be a deterrent for

805
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: teams wanting to trade for him because you just don't

806
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 2: know how he's going to recover.

807
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: That.

808
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: Being said, Ketcher is interesting because you have a really

809
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: really good one and Drake Baldwin, who is cheap, and

810
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: you want Baldwin to be out there basically every day,

811
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: whether it's Ketcher or a DH and Murphy is one

812
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: of the non prospects who has value and Catcher is

813
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: a wasteland.

814
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: There are good teams.

815
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 2: Who have absolutely dire situations at Ketcher and Murphy even

816
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: though he is a very maddingly he is maddening to

817
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 2: watch offensively because of how streaky he is. Has a

818
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: ton of power, But if he's not running into a Homer,

819
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't do a ton ouse for you offensively.

820
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: That's just who he is. That being said, we know

821
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: the Braves value.

822
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 2: Too Catchers, So unless there's a creative deal that the

823
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 2: Braves could work like, I'm not actively trying to give

824
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 2: Murphy away, but if there was an opportunity to improve

825
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: the big league club while using Murphy as the key

826
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: piece that you're sending out instead of having to deplete

827
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Speaker 2: the farm system or having to overpay for a player

828
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: in free agency or trade for a big contract, I

829
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: would not be shocked if if Murphy got traded some

830
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: point in the next four months.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree wholeheartedly, and you know, no one should

832
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: be shocked. I think that we as a podcast, and

833
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: probably even me more than most of our co hosts,

834
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: I am higher on Murphy than most people and like

835
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have a problem with them trading Sean Murphy. Yeah,

836
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, Like if they didn't if they didn't

837
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: have Drake Baldwin or Drake Balwin had a bad rookie season,

838
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't Drake Balwin in capital letters right now, then

839
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: I'd be like, what are you talking about? No, you

840
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: can't trade on Murphy. But like, when you have Drake Balwin,

841
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: obviously have to at least look at potentially trading your

842
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 1: fifteen million dollars a year older catcher. Yeah, even with

843
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: what you said being one hundred percent right about Alex

844
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: really really really value having two real starting, starting catchers,

845
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: and he does. That's not a myth, Like if you

846
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: can look at it. He wants that you have to

847
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: at least think about trading Sean Murphy.

848
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: You have to.

849
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: Now what I would stop and you just did the

850
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: same thing, is that there are fans that would drive

851
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Sea Murphy to the airport for nothing, and that I

852
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: find out to be insane. I think that's that's a silly,

853
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: silly viewpoint. That's and I get it's it's fandom. People

854
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: are irrational, and that's part of that. That's part of

855
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: the deal and part of the fun at sports, right,

856
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: I get that, But Sean Murphy has value to your point, like,

857
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: I don't think you trade Sea Murphy for like a

858
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: Ronald acunea level package, But like he would, teams would

859
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: want to trade for Sean Murphy. I'm confident in that

860
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: as long as it proves to be healthy and all

861
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: that with the physicals and things. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that they could trade Sean Murphy. I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 1: I might be fine with it, but what the return is.

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Speaker 1: But I also think that's way less likely than Aaron

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Speaker 1: Bummer just because of the logistics involved. You just need

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00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: to get a return like Aaron Bummer. Part of the

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Speaker 1: thing is again I like Aaron Mumber too, But part

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Speaker 1: of the thing with Aaron Bummer is you could argue

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00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: for Aaron bum or just to be traded for nothing

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Speaker 1: if you can, if aeryon members money, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: it wouldn't be crazy to just go ahead and do

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Speaker 1: that right now. Whereas if you, for me, if you

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Speaker 1: trade Sean Murphy for salar relief only, I.

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, you would know that's the best the

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Speaker 2: piece of nuance for me. Yeah, you would get something

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Speaker 2: from Murphy. And again maybe the Braves have to get

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Speaker 2: creative and they could trade Murphy to Picotine that does

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00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: not have a great catcher situation, but has maybe a

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Speaker 2: reliever who makes a little bit of money who would

881
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 2: be great for the bullpen. Then you trade Murph, you

882
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Speaker 2: clear up ten million dollars, and you add a potential

883
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Speaker 2: late inning you know, closer option or middle relief option.

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Speaker 2: You kind of check off two items on your box.

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00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Then of course you probably have to go get a

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Speaker 2: real backup catcher. So that's you know, it's it's a

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Speaker 2: it's a lengthy process that would come with it. But yes,

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Speaker 2: Sean Murphy has trade value, unless the medicals are just

889
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Speaker 2: absolutely cooked, he has some kind of trade value. You're

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Speaker 2: not going to get a fortune for him. You're not

891
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 2: going to get an impact regular and like a one

892
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: for one deal, but it I'd be interested to know

893
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Speaker 2: if Murphy's name gets brought up in conversations in the

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00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: next couple of months, because again, man, we are so

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00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 2: spoiled as Braves fans because we have had good catchers

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Speaker 2: for our entire drivers.

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Speaker 3: Basically, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Literally, our entire lives the Braves have had good to

899
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: elite catcher situations. That is not the case for a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams and a lot of teams who are

901
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: contending who would love to have Murphy as their everyday catcher.

902
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what people don't quite understand when we do

903
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: the bit we do it less lately about how catcher

904
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: is such a wasteland because it is around baseball one

905
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: more funded on Sho Murphy ISoP gonna be so mad

906
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: at that I bring this up. Murphy, of course, had

907
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: two different injuries last year. He had the one early

908
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: in the one lay right. He played ninety four games total,

909
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: way less than a starting catcher would Norman to play

910
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: playing with Drake Balwin. All of that, According to Fangrafts,

911
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: Sean Murphy in a really bad and all these all

912
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: these worst people use about Sean Murphy was worth drum

913
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: roll please, sixteen one million dollars. Sea Murphy's good. Yeah,

914
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I know, I know, he's madden is the right word. Like,

915
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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you Sean Urvy's like the most fun

916
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: hitter to watch. He's not, but sometimes you have to

917
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: throw that out at your hit. I had a week

918
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Speaker 1: and in fact, in our YouTube comments. The other day,

919
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: there was an extensive back and forth I was trying

920
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: to try to get out of about Marcelo zun know,

921
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: and I found myself like defending marcelo' zuna, which is

922
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: actually strange because there was the thought. But he was

923
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 1: just like completely awful as a hitter all year long,

924
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: and it's like that's not really what happened. He just

925
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: wasn't great, but he was a decent hitter this season.

926
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Speaker 1: He just it is what it is. Scott, that's a

927
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Speaker 1: show on a Sunday evening.

928
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Speaker 3: Nice to be back. Nice to have you, Yeah you can.

929
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Speaker 1: I guess you're having me. I have.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been here, Brad. I was hosting shows, I

931
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Speaker 3: was doing, I.

932
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Speaker 1: Was listening listen. I once again, I have not said

933
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: where I was. I was a long way away from here.

934
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Speaker 1: One of the hilarious things was wherever I was, no

935
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: ads were filling in any podcasts, so like it was

936
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: just like I pressed the button and I would just

937
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: have just shown Coleman gloriously in my years. Just instantly

938
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Speaker 1: on the button. I was like, oh, Scott, Scott's hosting,

939
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 1: Sean's hostin. Never Stephen though, We're gonna have to Stephen

940
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: host the podcast one day. Just take the control, take

941
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: the wheel, Tolbert style deep side at beginning of the podcast,

942
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: dive right in. We love Steven's that's right.

943
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 2: Got a good squad here, and uh yeah, you know,

944
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: let's hope next couple of weeks we get some activity.

945
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Speaker 2: I will say, I mean Alexanthopolis one. The one constant

946
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 2: of Alexanthopolis is that he likes to work early in

947
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: the off season.

948
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Speaker 3: October.

949
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Speaker 1: Honestly, like, remember like that there were Morton There's a

950
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: there was Morton deals. There was the run on a

951
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: Lopez six restructure that was like right around this time.

952
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Bummers, Yeah, Bummer's deal was restructured. So this is generally, No,

953
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: he's not going to just make a move, but generally

954
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,879
Speaker 2: you see moves October, late October, November. He's not someone

955
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: who is historically waited until February to do all of

956
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: his work. Again, we don't know what the financial situation

957
00:43:58,280 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 2: is going to be, and that could be kind of

958
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 2: a a wrinkle in those plans. But you know, let's

959
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 2: hope the next month or so we get a manager.

960
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: Let's get some you know, some clarity on this roster,

961
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: and hopefully get on our way to having a really good,

962
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 2: fruitful off season for the Braves.

963
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: It would be fun to have some news as we

964
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 1: started this podcast, we'll end it as well managerial candidates.

965
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: The most likely news that we'll get, probably as soon,

966
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Speaker 1: is that that will be an emergency podcast whatever happens,

967
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about it on this show. But if

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Speaker 1: you are a new listener, thank you for joining us

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00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: here on the Hambit Territory Podcast presented by Fox One.

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00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,520
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00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,800
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972
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: Please tag Scott and all of your comments. He loves

973
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: waiting through comments, in particular in public facing places. Listen,

974
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: I waited this long. It's Sunday. How about your Indianaples?

975
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: Could uh come on?

976
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: Dix and One, Brad The Indian Apple, the Indianapis cults

977
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 2: being s and One, probably the best story of the

978
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: NFL season so far.

979
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Speaker 3: It's been a lot of fun for ever for the universe, Brad.

980
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: But it's been a lot of.

981
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Fun and the last couple of years for me, the

982
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 2: NFL seasons have been very, very unfun so I'm I'm

983
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: enjoying it. Maybe it's I think Steven tweeted a while

984
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 2: ago that this was the sports universe throwing me a

985
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: bone after a just absolutely brutal, brave season.

986
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Speaker 3: That yeah, basically the best cold start in fifteen years.

987
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: I could. I really needed it, Brad.

988
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: Since Peyton Manning was walking through that door, it was

989
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: the last time the Colts were this fun.

990
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: So that's right.

991
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, good for you, my friend. I cannot genuinely wait

992
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: for the first podcast with Stephen and Sean post Bamba Tennessee.

993
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 1: That is going to be quite a ride. Stay tuned

994
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: for that at some point, maybe this week, maybe next week,

995
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: whenever it's going to be those guys. Sean was ducking

996
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: Steven this all the things. So that's a that's a

997
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: fun namic. My team is just kind of what it is.

998
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: In fact, the fuck is playing right now we're talking.

999
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 1: So with that, with that out of the way, let's

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00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: get out of here. Let's go watch the Falcons. Your guy,

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00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: John Robinson, Drick London, et cetera. Thank you for being here, everybody.

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00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: We definitely appreciate it. Check us out, subscribe, tell your friends,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you all. Next time,