Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm one of your host Leo Lamar,
Speaker 1: and I have with me, I'm wonderful co host Teddy Mellencamp.
Speaker 1: The pause is very essential. And then we also have
Speaker 1: with us of course, sometimes Dmitri. Hello, Sometimes hello Dmitri.
Speaker 1: Something looks different about you today. Oh no, like like
Speaker 1: did you do a fresh ship? Like something is new?
Speaker 1: I don't know. There was a shadow on top of
Speaker 1: his head and I thought he was wearing Oh wait, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I trying. I'm trying on like a little
Speaker 1: tough to hair. What do you guys think? Imagine we
Speaker 1: come on the zoom and Dmitri just has hair. What
Speaker 1: are you guys talking about? It was just the lighting.
Speaker 1: It was the lighting all those times he just pretends
Speaker 1: like everything's normal. Love that well, speaking of normal, today
Speaker 1: we're not talking about anything normal. We'll be talking about
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's sexual assault conviction. We'll be talking about a
Speaker 1: woman who faked her own abduction. We'll be talking about
Speaker 1: Carson Cressley dating an AX murderer who hasn't calm down,
Speaker 1: you know, and then finally rounding it out with Anna
Speaker 1: Delve the story that everyone is talking about. You guys,
Speaker 1: I've really changed since Chris Cuomo came into my life.
Speaker 1: What's going on now? Not so? I never I just
Speaker 1: I never responded again because I just felt very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm talking to a hacker, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I developing a relationship with a hacker?
Speaker 1: And that stopped you? That sounds like a reason you
Speaker 1: would keep going it. That's so funny. Also, I'm just
Speaker 1: very curious to know. It's like, well, what what other
Speaker 1: crimes have you committed? Sir? You know, because if it's
Speaker 1: just like nerdy tech hacking, that's not so hot. But
Speaker 1: if it is all in battery, let's talk. Let's be honest.
Speaker 1: You're playing hard to get with the hacker. Would you
Speaker 1: consider doing love is Blind? Leah? Yeah? I actually I
Speaker 1: actually would really enjoy watching you do that and then
Speaker 1: your face as the person comes around, knowing that, like
Speaker 1: you know, your main thing is head shots. I just
Speaker 1: not being able to see somebody's face and then developing
Speaker 1: a full relationship is I'm ready for it to happen,
Speaker 1: Like I'm about to call their casting, but I'm not
Speaker 1: against that. I think that's a good idea. I think
Speaker 1: that brilliant. I'll talk about it on two teas in
Speaker 1: a pod. It'll be great, Thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 1: think the funny thing will be when no one wants
Speaker 1: to date me, They're like, we don't even care if
Speaker 1: she's hot, her personality, man, damn. I think my voice
Speaker 1: would turn away enough. They'd be like, they'd be like
Speaker 1: and she just kept laughing at her own jokes, like
Speaker 1: I'm so intrigued. She keeps pausing for like seconds on end.
Speaker 1: What's she going to say next? I should be on
Speaker 1: Love is Blind. That might be the only way for
Speaker 1: me to actually find I'm putting it out into the universe.
Speaker 1: I think it needs to happen Leah on next season
Speaker 1: of Love is Blind. I'll start watching recapping. Dmitri can
Speaker 1: produce it. We can do all the things that sounds.
Speaker 1: I mean. I think I would be very fun on
Speaker 1: reality TV because I just have no filter. I think
Speaker 1: you write, especially on a dating show. Mess Is that
Speaker 1: the name of my new dating show, hot mess Um
Speaker 1: stood by camp. I'll never turn down a job. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: should we just talk about crime or now? Can you
Speaker 1: do the first cry? I'm yeah, of course. Look, I
Speaker 1: just would like to put a trigger warning here for
Speaker 1: anyone who is triggered by high sexual assault or and
Speaker 1: or rape. We're talking about Bill Cosby. Man. This is
Speaker 1: the case that keeps on not giving. The Supreme Court
Speaker 1: declines to consider reinstating Bill cosby sexual assault conviction. On Monday,
Speaker 1: they determined that they would not reinstate Bill Cosby sexual
Speaker 1: ssault conviction, dealing a blow to prosecutors who hoped to
Speaker 1: put the accused sex offender back in prison. Last June,
Speaker 1: Cosby was released from prison early when the Pennsylvania Supreme
Speaker 1: Court made the controversial decision to vacate his conviction. He
Speaker 1: was sentenced to three to ten years in prison, the
Speaker 1: pretty big range, if you ask me, in for sexually
Speaker 1: assaulting a former Temple University employee in his mansion in
Speaker 1: two thousand four, one of many sex crimes he's been
Speaker 1: accused of committing during his decades long career the Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: Court and really had quote unquote nothing to do with
Speaker 1: guilt or innocence, that's clear. It's really more of a
Speaker 1: reaction to what I would consider a prosecutorial misstep. In
Speaker 1: two thousand five, Montgomery count District Attorney Bruce Castor said
Speaker 1: that Cosby would not face criminal prosecution and former Temple
Speaker 1: employee Andrea Constance case and knowing that he wouldn't be prosecuted,
Speaker 1: he admitted in a deposition in her civil suit against him,
Speaker 1: which was later settled, to giving coaludes to women with
Speaker 1: whom he wanted to have sex. But since Kevin Steele
Speaker 1: cast her successor didn't honor the former day's agreement with Cosby,
Speaker 1: it was considered that they were using his private confession
Speaker 1: against him in court, which helped pave a path to
Speaker 1: conviction and raised constitution raised questions about the constitutionality of
Speaker 1: Steele's actions. And you guys, news that in anmitted sex
Speaker 1: offender was freed from prison basically on a technicality concerned
Speaker 1: sexual assault survivors who worried that Cosby's released would have
Speaker 1: negative repercussions for future future sexual assault cases. So sorry,
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna have to edit out so many
Speaker 1: weird words that I've created today. Um yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this? Do you think
Speaker 1: that there's ever gonna be justice for the alleged victims
Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby? I'm not even sure if we should
Speaker 1: say alleged she actually did confess that he gave women
Speaker 1: kylus before. I think what you just went through gives
Speaker 1: us that answer, which I think is now, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable that on a technicality this is what happens.
Speaker 1: I find it disgusting because then you're saying that even
Speaker 1: if someone so let's say he murdered someone. Let's say
Speaker 1: he murdered someone, right, it's like, oh, you can just
Speaker 1: get off on a technicality, even if you actually say
Speaker 1: that you did it, and you did do it, that's yes, Sorry,
Speaker 1: thank you for taking your role back as sometimes. But
Speaker 1: I just I find this so disheartening for a number
Speaker 1: of reasons because it feels like it's a misjustice system,
Speaker 1: not a justice system. If someone confesses to a crime,
Speaker 1: how could they get off if they've done the crime.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't actually compute in my head. Well, I
Speaker 1: know how it's making me feel, and I've never been
Speaker 1: a victim of this type of you know, so I
Speaker 1: can only imagine how it's making the multiple people that
Speaker 1: have been wronged and hurt and abused to hear this,
Speaker 1: it's got to be disheartening, and then it makes you
Speaker 1: want to not come forward right. And this is also
Speaker 1: you know, it's like part of a bigger me too
Speaker 1: movement situation where even if you know you're you're attaching
Speaker 1: your name to something very loaded and you're giving a
Speaker 1: lot of personal information and it's going to be in
Speaker 1: the media forever anytime someone googles your name and then
Speaker 1: to not even get justice for being so violated and
Speaker 1: so wrong is it's I mean, it's cruel. H Yeah,
Speaker 1: it disgusts me. I mean, look, I think that there
Speaker 1: are a lot of times in media and entertainment where
Speaker 1: people have a hard time separating the performer from the person.
Speaker 1: You know, the talent from the man. And it's like, sure,
Speaker 1: he's a very funny, talented comedian and actor, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that he gets to not do time for his crime.
Speaker 1: He committed crimes, multiple sex crimes. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: just because you have a lot of money and a
Speaker 1: good lawyer and all this sort of because it just
Speaker 1: gets you off that amount of money, and those good
Speaker 1: lawyers are finding loopholes in the system, and that's why
Speaker 1: we're having this conversation. It's so frustrated. But we have
Speaker 1: to move to a lighter crime because this just and
Speaker 1: I texted a person involved. So this is from Watch
Speaker 1: What Happens Live? So Carson Cresley dated an AX murder.
Speaker 1: Watch video from Watch What Happens Live? Scroll to time
Speaker 1: code for twelve. A caller asked Carson the question, Um,
Speaker 1: Carson has a dating history? Okay, like with timelines and
Speaker 1: footnotes and cross the effortcing. Speaking to Andy Cohen on
Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live, Cressley said the worst date of
Speaker 1: his life was one with a person he categorized as
Speaker 1: an AX murderer. A Apparently, Cressley had taken this fellow
Speaker 1: home after a night at the bars, and the gentleman
Speaker 1: did not get down to business so much as make
Speaker 1: a sandwich. So the guy makes himself a sandwich and
Speaker 1: leaves weird but not earth shattering. Cut till later when
Speaker 1: Cressley happens upon a most Wanted poster and the man
Speaker 1: is wanted for multiple murders. Cressley came out ahead not
Speaker 1: only by getting not getting AX murdered, but also by
Speaker 1: getting a story to eat out on the decade. So
Speaker 1: I texted him, you know, because he was my my roommate,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, and care to comment on this
Speaker 1: AX murder story, and he wrote, um, I'll have to
Speaker 1: come on the show. But I think he was wanted
Speaker 1: for assault, not murder, so it's not as DICESE. Let
Speaker 1: me just say, if someone came over to my apartment
Speaker 1: and not only didn't try to have sex with me,
Speaker 1: but just wanted to eat of food in my fridge,
Speaker 1: I would wonder if they were just going through a
Speaker 1: hard financial time. Well, but you have if it was
Speaker 1: like after a bar or something. There's times that you
Speaker 1: want to eat like you're hungry, but making a sandwich
Speaker 1: is one thing. Going through like the Taco Bell drive
Speaker 1: through is another. Yeah. I think it's actually even more
Speaker 1: mentally ill to go to a stranger's house and then
Speaker 1: just go through their rightful through their fridge and make
Speaker 1: yourself a sandwich and then leave. I could see you
Speaker 1: haven't a hit sitting in the corner being like, are
Speaker 1: you only using me for my cold cuts? If they
Speaker 1: grabbed some pretzels lee and maybe they need a little
Speaker 1: snack and get their energy up, I didn't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I have PTSD obviously if you can't tell about this
Speaker 1: exact premise, but not that I did an AX murderer.
Speaker 1: But I mean, this feels like something I would do,
Speaker 1: but you didd someone who was carbo loading before sex. Hilarious.
Speaker 1: I woke up once at five in the morning. This
Speaker 1: is when I lived in New York, and I heard
Speaker 1: I would locked my door in New York, my bedroom door,
Speaker 1: no matter what, because I'm crazy and it's New York.
Speaker 1: And I started hearing all this banging in my apartment
Speaker 1: and I didn't know what it was, and I thought
Speaker 1: there was a burglar. And then I opened the door
Speaker 1: and I see that this guy who had slept over
Speaker 1: was eating all my bagels. What do you mean all
Speaker 1: your bagels? I had a bag of bagels and he
Speaker 1: just like shredded through all of them and he was
Speaker 1: real wasted still, and I was like, Okay, um, this
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a crime to me. I mean, was
Speaker 1: your bagel shop out of business? Came from Okay, so
Speaker 1: clearly for sex, and you're not going to trade a
Speaker 1: dozen bagels sex with this person. Maybe if you would have,
Speaker 1: he would. He was wasted and he was just like
Speaker 1: opening the ridge and like and like slamming down knives,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what's going on in there? Like
Speaker 1: like the cupboards were opening and closing just slamming, well,
Speaker 1: the story is making me want to fake my own abduction,
Speaker 1: which takes us to her wow, which takes us to
Speaker 1: our next New York Times article. Three weeks after she vanished,
Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini was found over a hundred and forty miles
Speaker 1: from her home. According to the authorities, her account of
Speaker 1: being kidnapped was a lie. She said that her captors
Speaker 1: had leashed her to a pole inside a closet a
Speaker 1: bucket of kitty litters serving as her toilet. Then came
Speaker 1: the beatings, and when she tried to escape, she told
Speaker 1: investigators she was branded. That is how Sherry explained to
Speaker 1: investigators what happened during her disappearance in two thousand and sixteen,
Speaker 1: a three week ordeal that prompted an intense and costly
Speaker 1: searched across northern California, where she had been living, and
Speaker 1: several other states. The widely reporting missing person case wound
Speaker 1: down after a truck driver spot in Miss Peppini wandering
Speaker 1: along an interstate, but the investigation was not over. Federal
Speaker 1: prosecutors said this week that Ms. Peppini's claims that two
Speaker 1: masked women had abducted her at gunpoint while she was
Speaker 1: on a run in Reading, California. Had been made up
Speaker 1: that she continued her deception when investigators confronted her. In fact,
Speaker 1: prosecutors claim she was married with child two children, and
Speaker 1: was staying with an ex boyfriend and had used prepaid
Speaker 1: cell phones to arrange for him to whisk her some
Speaker 1: six hundred miles away from his home from her home.
Speaker 1: This sounds like a lot of work. Just I mean.
Speaker 1: She was arrested on Thursday and felony charges making false
Speaker 1: statements to federal law enforcement. The fraud charges stem for
Speaker 1: more than thirty thousand and therapy and ambulance services whose
Speaker 1: therapy mine from reading this article, this is unbelievable. Um,
Speaker 1: but I we can't miss any time. I really going
Speaker 1: down inventing Anna. And while we're already on people faking things,
Speaker 1: can you just take a little background on Anna del Wie,
Speaker 1: Anna Swarkin. Wait, I just wanted to say, I don't
Speaker 1: see the problem. You know, this woman wanted to go
Speaker 1: hang out, She has kids, in a husband, she wanted
Speaker 1: to go hang out with her ex boyfriend. Tell me
Speaker 1: another way to do it. If you know another way
Speaker 1: to do it besides faking your own kidnapping and going
Speaker 1: to elaborate stories and saying you're gonna have to use
Speaker 1: kitty litter to pee and that you're tied to poles?
Speaker 1: Did bran branding yourself just to have sex with your ex?
Speaker 1: I mean that's how I know the dick was good.
Speaker 1: That's how you know you're having ows multiple Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: not having to fake it. Yeah, I'm like, wait, can
Speaker 1: you look me up with this guy? All right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's move right along. Anyways, shall we take a break
Speaker 1: before we get to Anna find sometimes? Wow, you're the
Speaker 1: bossy today. I think that was a question. Actually, so
Speaker 1: spin it however you want. All right, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Don't commit any crimes while we're on a break. Thank you, Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to real time crime. I hope you
Speaker 1: didn't commit a sixty second crime. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that looks like stealing gum from your neighbor's desk at work?
Speaker 1: Was that a joke? I don't don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know what anything is anymore. I haven't even had coffee yet.
Speaker 1: Today Teddy was like, let's do the podcast at eleven,
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, did you want me to
Speaker 1: be awake or um lovely, You're like I can do
Speaker 1: eleven thirty and I like trying press, trying to make
Speaker 1: something happen right after this, and it's because you don't
Speaker 1: want to wake up thirty Minutes'll be honest, I'll be honest.
Speaker 1: I had a phone call with Dubai and they made
Speaker 1: me wake up very early, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: won't be able to function. This doesn't seem legal. I
Speaker 1: don't love it. Why didn't? Yeah, I didn't love it
Speaker 1: at all. Turns out a prince over there left her
Speaker 1: some money and she's just trying to I mean, look, yeah,
Speaker 1: well there was a Nigerian prince who asked me to
Speaker 1: wire him twenty dollars and I was like, wait, is
Speaker 1: this Anna Delvie do it? He's like, my name is
Speaker 1: Chris coom. Okay. Before we even get into the entire
Speaker 1: Anna case, I need to know are you team Rachel
Speaker 1: or Team Anna? I'm Team Anna? What about you? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say that
Speaker 1: if Leah says she's teamed something, I have to go with,
Speaker 1: what about you, Teddy? Team Hannah or Team Rachel? I
Speaker 1: you know, I can see both sides Here's where let's
Speaker 1: get into that further. Explain to Anna Delvie to people first,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna explain why I have my She's
Speaker 1: all right. Annah Delvi a k a. Annakin pretended to
Speaker 1: be a German heiress to create the Anna Delvie Foundation,
Speaker 1: an elite club much like the Soho House. But she
Speaker 1: wanted to do this in New York City. And this
Speaker 1: all happened in essentially what happened if she swindled. She
Speaker 1: tender swindled New York City elite hotels and banks and
Speaker 1: people out of thousands of dollars with posh dinners, vacations, hotels, days,
Speaker 1: and even stole a private jet to go to Omaha,
Speaker 1: all for her Annadelvie Foundation. She even got City National
Speaker 1: and fortressed almost invest millions. She needed forty mill to
Speaker 1: make the club so based off Jessica Pressler's New York
Speaker 1: magazine article then turned into a series for Netflix by
Speaker 1: Shonda Land. We all are now aware of this story,
Speaker 1: and Teddy okay, So a big part of this story
Speaker 1: is while Anna was doing all of these things, she
Speaker 1: had her bestie and Toe come to Rachel Williams. And
Speaker 1: this is where I have my issue with Rachel, I
Speaker 1: personally have never had a friend that has money or
Speaker 1: doesn't have money, that bank rolls me to live, never
Speaker 1: or vice versa. So but if there any is anyone
Speaker 1: out there listening who's like, Leah, you sound like a
Speaker 1: really fun person hang out with, I'll bankroll you. I mean,
Speaker 1: Leah's willing to that. Being said, you know, Anna supposedly
Speaker 1: has all this money she's spending, she's staying at all
Speaker 1: these hotels, she's throwing hundreds everywhere, she's going on vacations,
Speaker 1: and she is taking Rachel with her. Never once is
Speaker 1: Rachel paying for herself to do any of those things.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in their right mind that doesn't
Speaker 1: know that everything comes with a price. Good call, like,
Speaker 1: everything comes with the price, no matter if, like you know,
Speaker 1: you have some friends that have more money than you
Speaker 1: do and don't. And even then, if you're not going
Speaker 1: half first, you're splitting it like I got you this time,
Speaker 1: you give me the next time, and you actually do that.
Speaker 1: But if you're just letting somebody pay for your trips,
Speaker 1: your hotels, your life or whatever, I'm sorry, it's bounded
Speaker 1: by you in the ass. That wasn't a guy. Do
Speaker 1: we know how this was unfolding. Was She's saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: can I pay for this or on this trip of
Speaker 1: you because I can't afford it? And she was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got it. You gotta come. You're my best friend
Speaker 1: on this show, you don't. They don't really paint Rachel
Speaker 1: in the best light. They make it out to be
Speaker 1: that she was a user of Anna and that she
Speaker 1: capitalized on her trauma to make money. She does have
Speaker 1: a New York best selling book called My Friend Anna.
Speaker 1: Her instagram is consistently Netflix new series about the con
Speaker 1: artist Ana Sorkin plays lip service to the truth, says
Speaker 1: Rachel Delici Williams, one of her victims, for the world's
Speaker 1: most popular streaming service. To allow this to up and
Speaker 1: his appalling, they have ignored the reality of criminal behavior,
Speaker 1: of pathological lawing, of reprehensible example setting to create this
Speaker 1: fictional alternate version. Certainly the bogus director and this docu
Speaker 1: drama Dirty John, also on Netflix, or the conman protagonist
Speaker 1: of its documentary The Tender Swidler are not awarded a
Speaker 1: fraction of the sympathy granted Sorkin, But then those shows
Speaker 1: were not bankrolling those people, So I mean she has
Speaker 1: multiple posts like this. However, shall I go on and
Speaker 1: read Anna's post that she's been able to Anna's post
Speaker 1: so much. If you have it readily available, you can
Speaker 1: get to reading um. But the fact that you can
Speaker 1: post from Ice is pretty incredible. Well, we should also
Speaker 1: note that she was um. She she left prison and
Speaker 1: got scooped up by Ice right away because her visa expired.
Speaker 1: So she was East on good behavior in February, and
Speaker 1: then a month later Ice brought her right back into
Speaker 1: custody where she is currently. Okay, now back to you, Teddy. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: now we have to also talk about her money situation.
Speaker 1: She was sentenced to Foard to twelve years find twenty
Speaker 1: four thousand in order to pay restitution of around a
Speaker 1: hundred and nine. Then she was paid three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: for her life rights, so pretty much anything that she
Speaker 1: did is wiped clean around. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: how much money am I being a piece of ship
Speaker 1: by saying I just don't even think any of this
Speaker 1: is a lot of money. Well, the part that I
Speaker 1: don't under like that's a student loan, correct, But I
Speaker 1: mean I think Rachel end up putting something like sixty
Speaker 1: dollars on her credit card from this vacation she took
Speaker 1: with Anna, and you know it was her work card
Speaker 1: and all of these things. But the argument is that
Speaker 1: she was never forced to do it, but they you know,
Speaker 1: the hotel was asking for it. Um. But I do
Speaker 1: want to pull up what Anna's posts are right now,
Speaker 1: Anna Delvi is posting from Ice. I've been silent about
Speaker 1: this for years. However, over past two weeks of watching
Speaker 1: Rachel stubbornly refused to move on from her contrived trauma,
Speaker 1: ever Braisen and unchecked, while going on every show that
Speaker 1: will have her, I thought, now I have to, and
Speaker 1: if I have to, I will. During her numerous public
Speaker 1: cries for attention claiming I ruined her life, relentless Rachel
Speaker 1: Deloche Williams conveniently forgets to mention the curious period of
Speaker 1: time during the summer of eighteen when she herself, along
Speaker 1: with her newly acquired literary agent, we're repeatedly harassing my
Speaker 1: lawyer Todd, both via email and phone clear to note
Speaker 1: um to get me to agree to write a book
Speaker 1: together with Rachel. And the best part is, this time
Speaker 1: around around, I've got all the receipts. She doesn't post
Speaker 1: the receipts though, right not that I've seen. I know.
Speaker 1: Sounds incredible considering Rachel's recent media crusade, during which she
Speaker 1: accuses everyone who isn't aligned with her vision of self
Speaker 1: as a wrong martyr star for Justice, of glorifying crime
Speaker 1: and giving platform to a con Can anyone please enlighten
Speaker 1: us whether she's done anything at all over the past
Speaker 1: three years other than talking and writing about me, reading
Speaker 1: and dissecting my interviews, taking angry notes, looking for things
Speaker 1: to get outraged about. She even quotes post I've deleted
Speaker 1: after fifteen minutes. I can't find yourself someone who's is
Speaker 1: dedicated to you the way Rachel is dedicated to my tayer.
Speaker 1: Don't you just look? I know? Don't you just love
Speaker 1: the irony of watching Rachel Delictulliams constantly adjust her very
Speaker 1: flexible moral standards depending on the perspective amount of the
Speaker 1: money that stands to profit based on the latest twist
Speaker 1: in the tail of her unfortunate association with me, before
Speaker 1: she epically embarrassed herself during my trial, before Netliks forever
Speaker 1: submitted her very accurate Karen image, her moral come is
Speaker 1: deemed acceptable, suggests we write a book together, all while
Speaker 1: still pressing charges again against me. She thought she could
Speaker 1: have it all, didn't she. It keeps going on and on,
Speaker 1: but I think the last page. I'll read the last page,
Speaker 1: which is important to this day. Rachel Williams clearly struggles
Speaker 1: to accept the fact that twelve jurors unanimously agreed I
Speaker 1: was not guilty of any charges related to her existence,
Speaker 1: and that nobody cares about anything she has to say
Speaker 1: unless she's talking about me. And while I can understand
Speaker 1: her being upset at the fact that I've already accomplished
Speaker 1: more for the various jails and prisons than Rachel in
Speaker 1: her entire sheltered life of privilege, she won't be getting
Speaker 1: away with this blatant hypocrisy on my watch. Also, she
Speaker 1: she says something in like another one about the audacity
Speaker 1: of her to still attempt to sell her white woman
Speaker 1: tears that no one is buying. I'm like, bitch, you're
Speaker 1: also a white woman? Like what? Well? I this is
Speaker 1: obviously Anna has a very inflated version of self. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to stay away from uh. But man, if she
Speaker 1: was a man, I would date her. I have to
Speaker 1: say that I have done a full deep dive of
Speaker 1: every photograph of Anna that exists on the worldwide Web,
Speaker 1: even her court looks that had their own Instagram and
Speaker 1: got it been following that a lot of people and
Speaker 1: the public eye. That's how like Joe Rogan's dog has
Speaker 1: more followers than me. I'm like, I give up, And
Speaker 1: not for one second would I be like, Oh, that
Speaker 1: looks like an heiress to me. Interesting, what what do
Speaker 1: you think? Well, I don't know. I just think I
Speaker 1: think like royalty, and I think like super polished, and
Speaker 1: all of her pictures she looks like I look right now,
Speaker 1: a hot, breaking mess with like messy hair, like her
Speaker 1: parts like this, Like she's like, she looks like Samara
Speaker 1: from the Ring coming out of the Well. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm confused about. And I know that you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I'm
Speaker 1: judging a book by this cover because the story is
Speaker 1: all over the place, and I want to know who
Speaker 1: these big businessmen were who were meeting her and being like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to invest forty million dollars into your company,
Speaker 1: and you're all, you can't brush your hair. I also
Speaker 1: am very curious to know. I mean, for everyone who
Speaker 1: watched Inventing Anna, which is the Netflix series based off
Speaker 1: of Anadelvie's life, I'm so curious to know who the
Speaker 1: real chases. Apparently she was saying on her Instagram stories
Speaker 1: that she would give to the highest bidder the information
Speaker 1: about his real name and who he is to the media,
Speaker 1: and it starts at a ten k bid and people
Speaker 1: should slide into her d M s with bits. Let
Speaker 1: me see how much I have in my wallet we
Speaker 1: can pull together. There is something, Leah, give her one
Speaker 1: of your n F t s. That's very funny. Um,
Speaker 1: hold on, but remember when we almost had her for
Speaker 1: other friend on the pod? Why am I blanking on
Speaker 1: her name right now? Her other friend her like other
Speaker 1: bestief and Nef was so nice. Um. And Nef is
Speaker 1: the one that truly according to this documentary, I don't
Speaker 1: know because we don't have an interview with Nef, but
Speaker 1: really is the one that made people believe that Anna
Speaker 1: was as great as she was because she was this
Speaker 1: incredible concierge and she got her into all the hot parties,
Speaker 1: on all the hot lists and all the good reservations. Um.
Speaker 1: That being said, Nef was almost here but then not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: good story, Hunsel and and they're saying that The New
Speaker 1: York Post is saying the real Chase is Hunter Lee Sook.
Speaker 1: Who's that? Oh boy? They kind of look like twins.
Speaker 1: Look at them. You see what I'm saying. Is this
Speaker 1: guy really worth it? Is she really worth it? Are
Speaker 1: they both really worth it? I don't know what this means.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if it is him. I bet
Speaker 1: we could find out by just sending her a d M.
Speaker 1: I did find my d M exchange with Neff, and
Speaker 1: Nef is taking a different route than her her other
Speaker 1: pal Rachel, because she's taking She said, Hi, I haven't
Speaker 1: done any interviews or spoke to any media since two
Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. I think I would be too nervous. And
Speaker 1: I said, it's okay. We can make it fun and light.
Speaker 1: I hosted with a comedian, so we're super easy to
Speaker 1: talk to. I ate myself. I hate hearing how easy
Speaker 1: I am to talk to um. And she wrote her
Speaker 1: agent's name, will be able to arrange everything for me.
Speaker 1: Sounds fun, And then we reached out to the agent
Speaker 1: and crickets. This is what happens to us all the time.
Speaker 1: We're like, oh, we're getting the producer and director of
Speaker 1: the tender spin. They're like, we'd love to can you
Speaker 1: reach out to our PR team? And the PR teams
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's going to be a no for us talk.
Speaker 1: It's the same as like if you somebody is saying
Speaker 1: you're gonna meet on a dating site and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden the night of the coffee date, they're
Speaker 1: just not there. It's a polite no. It's a polite no.
Speaker 1: But just don't even you don't even need to respond.
Speaker 1: Just don't open the d M. Why do they open
Speaker 1: the d M? Why do you open d M? From
Speaker 1: CRISP Como? That I don't know the answer to. But
Speaker 1: you know what's hard? But all right, apparently I have
Speaker 1: COVID again. But my my biggest question is do you
Speaker 1: think any of those jerors should have thought that Anna
Speaker 1: was guilty? I look, I mean of the crimes against Rachel. Well,
Speaker 1: Rachel was forced to pay with her credit card and
Speaker 1: left quickly. Anna stayed another week and charged sixty two
Speaker 1: dollars vacation on Rachel's card. That sucks, that's not cool.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happened. Then, Anna came out to
Speaker 1: l A, stayed at the Chateau Marmont, and for those
Speaker 1: of you that do not know, Chateau Marmont is probably
Speaker 1: one of the most expensive hotels to stay at in
Speaker 1: Los Angeless on the Sunset Strip, attempted suicide, and then
Speaker 1: went to Malibu Passages, which is one of the most
Speaker 1: expensive rehab facilities in California. Man, I've had so many
Speaker 1: friends go there and there. She was arrested for breaking
Speaker 1: bank fraud in two thousand seventeen. Trial started in two
Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. She was found guilty on eight charges, including
Speaker 1: grand largsny in the second degree, attempted grand larsity, and
Speaker 1: theft of services. However, against the stuff with Rachel, they're
Speaker 1: saying that Rachel had the option because she gave her card. Correct. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I also think, man, you know, I do know sometimes
Speaker 1: with very wealthy friends, you know, I watched them go
Speaker 1: to nightclubs and they'll leave the club and just be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: charge whatever you want in my car because it really
Speaker 1: doesn't matter to them, you know. I remember when I
Speaker 1: was at eleven in Miami. Yeah, it's a strip club,
Speaker 1: go on and this was during art Basil and I
Speaker 1: think this is where I got COVID. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: my friend uh literally just left the club and he
Speaker 1: had at least ten friends there getting lap dances, ordering
Speaker 1: bottles and I think they racked up over fifty k
Speaker 1: in that night and it just didn't matter. But I
Speaker 1: hate to say this that I can almost understand, and
Speaker 1: I have been in a situation. It's similar where people
Speaker 1: do bottle service and you're just all partying, and that's
Speaker 1: the situation. However, we are talking about years time, We're
Speaker 1: talking about traveling on vacations. We're talking about workout sessions, lunches, dinners, clothes, vacations.
Speaker 1: You're gonna let your friend, no matter how rich they are,
Speaker 1: pay for everything. There's got to be something in you
Speaker 1: that allows that to happen. That's like, again, we don't
Speaker 1: know the situation though, Like what if she's like I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't go, I can't afford this. She's like, come,
Speaker 1: this is on me and you're my best friend. I
Speaker 1: need you with me every too, everything she's ever done.
Speaker 1: Like that's like a weird codependent relationship. Don't you think
Speaker 1: what they exist? Yeah? I mean also I'm thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I have some people that have bankrolled me on a
Speaker 1: bunch of different things that I could not have afforded
Speaker 1: at the time. And why would I say no? I
Speaker 1: just think that if you repeatedly, if it's repeated, they're
Speaker 1: not be with the same person. I feel like you've
Speaker 1: been burned by this. No, No, then it's your husband. No.
Speaker 1: I just think that there's a there's a line in
Speaker 1: the sand when you're accepting money from somebody else. Even
Speaker 1: like I mean, this is gonna sound weird, but even
Speaker 1: with my dad, obviously he makes more money than I do,
Speaker 1: I don't have a trust find I have no link
Speaker 1: to him. I was never the kid throwing down my
Speaker 1: card because I didn't have any money from now we
Speaker 1: were separate, my parents were divorced. However, now to this day,
Speaker 1: now that I have, I make you know, a good living.
Speaker 1: My dad is who who he is. We will take
Speaker 1: turns who's paying for dinner if we go to a hotel.
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting him to pay. But that's because you
Speaker 1: both have money. I didn't when I was younger, but
Speaker 1: did when you were younger? Did you pay for your
Speaker 1: dad when you went out to dinner? No, I would
Speaker 1: invite him to the restaurants I worked at and nobody
Speaker 1: had to pay there. It is thank you, Mr Chow,
Speaker 1: your own child appreciate it. Just what the most is,
Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been a hostess. Honestly, it's probably one
Speaker 1: of the hardest jobs to do because you're so bored
Speaker 1: most of the time. But so you're saying, if the
Speaker 1: other person does not have money, it's fine to accept
Speaker 1: she worked at Vanity Fair. We have something clear. She
Speaker 1: wasn't like, she's not broke. That's not it's not me.
Speaker 1: It's not like I would not want to do that.
Speaker 1: But there are plenty of people out there, and there
Speaker 1: are plenty of people that have money that are like
Speaker 1: I don't care, I'm just come with me, I'll pay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I do understand to Teddy's point, the repetition of services, right,
Speaker 1: it's like people have you know. It's like if someone
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to jump on my private jet,
Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have been able to afford at that time,
Speaker 1: being like, hey, does everyone else want to come on
Speaker 1: my private jet? You know, and it's like, oh cool,
Speaker 1: uh round trip travel, Thank you so much. But then
Speaker 1: it's not as if like for the rest of the year, this.
Speaker 1: This person was provided goods and services for me for free.
Speaker 1: So if you were like, if they were like, let's
Speaker 1: go on the private jet again and this and that,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, the only way I'm going this time
Speaker 1: is if I can pay for my seat. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: mere nailed it. Well, that's my point. This stuff. Once
Speaker 1: you started doing something and it's like, again, I'm not
Speaker 1: that type of person. I don't like it. But there's
Speaker 1: plenty of people, and there's on both sides, there's plenty
Speaker 1: of people that say, listen, I'm paying, I'm getting this hotel,
Speaker 1: I've already got an extra room. Just come on down
Speaker 1: and stay. Okay, So we're gonna agree to disagree on this,
Speaker 1: but obviously both of these women are in a position
Speaker 1: where they want to gain money from this story. From
Speaker 1: what's happened, trauma, not trauma, whatever it is, their friendship,
Speaker 1: their relationship, what I have to offer from it. Why
Speaker 1: are they still so mad at each other then, because
Speaker 1: they're both still making money by exploding each other like
Speaker 1: they seem kind of like the same person. It's just
Speaker 1: isn't it just good telling, It's just good entertainment. I
Speaker 1: think it's just to keep the story alive to keep
Speaker 1: them both relevant so that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys know, but Anna signed a deal for a limited series,
Speaker 1: a reality show of her life after prison, plus working
Speaker 1: on a book in a podcast, so you know, I
Speaker 1: think she needs to keep the drama and the attention
Speaker 1: on the spotlight around so that people still care about
Speaker 1: her story once she's out of prison. And when as
Speaker 1: we take, we gotta take one little break and then
Speaker 1: we'll come back. And I want to hear what you
Speaker 1: have to say. Sometimes, sorry to cut you off. Hi,
Speaker 1: this is Bethany Frankel, and you will not want to
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Speaker 1: He puts it all out there. He tells me about
Speaker 1: a near death experience where he was abducted. He talked
Speaker 1: about bouncing back after being in a film that got
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Speaker 1: on why celebrities date other celebrities. Listen to Just Be
Speaker 1: on the IHRT radio app, Apple podcast or where ever
Speaker 1: to get your podcasts. Okay, what were you saying, Dmitri?
Speaker 1: I think that that's what people do when people do
Speaker 1: things that are morally or legally wrong. The way they
Speaker 1: justified to themselves that was well, listen, but this person
Speaker 1: took advantage of me, or this person is doing this,
Speaker 1: or they're they're worse than me. They downplay what they've done,
Speaker 1: or they put some of it on other people. And
Speaker 1: I think they're both doing that as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1: If you both do something wrong, just gough and you know,
Speaker 1: argue with each other, but don't act like you haven't
Speaker 1: done anything and the other ones you're a victim what
Speaker 1: the other one is doing. But that's what people they do,
Speaker 1: they do they put it on someone else. So Anna
Speaker 1: is like, well, Rachel's doing this, and Rachel stop calling
Speaker 1: his attention. You haven't, you know, so they could both
Speaker 1: just neither is taking accountability for their actions. But that's
Speaker 1: also because they're an illegal battle. It's not just a
Speaker 1: casual cat fight. If you will, this is true, you know,
Speaker 1: if they took accountability for their actions and apologized and
Speaker 1: where I went and there wouldn't be lots of money
Speaker 1: at stake and careers on the line. Has but has
Speaker 1: Anna ever apologized for anything, like, is there anything on
Speaker 1: record that she apologized for? Any of the people think
Speaker 1: that there was some sort of interview where she said, here,
Speaker 1: wait a second, I'll tell you exactly where. Um hm oh,
Speaker 1: one second, she should apologize for taking a private jet
Speaker 1: and going to Omaha. So back in Um wait, sorry,
Speaker 1: because there's there's there's an actual article here. Please cut
Speaker 1: this out any accounts, Okay, So let's just also clarify
Speaker 1: the fact that in she was convicted on eight counts
Speaker 1: and sentence to four to twelve years in prison. Right,
Speaker 1: and she moved through five correctional facilities, and she was
Speaker 1: later released in February of um and then six weeks later,
Speaker 1: like we said already, she went to Ice detention where
Speaker 1: she's fighting deportation to Germany. And it's like, is she German?
Speaker 1: Is she Russian? We know now she's German. So over
Speaker 1: several phone calls the Orange County Correctional Facility, Ms Srokan
Speaker 1: spoke about the Netflix show and she was a paid
Speaker 1: consultant on just as a reminder, it was all about
Speaker 1: life and detention and the women question of remorse. And
Speaker 1: in the interview she was saying, I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: the way my case is being perceived, and I feel
Speaker 1: sorry that I resorted to these actions that people think
Speaker 1: I'm glorifying. Now I feel sorry for the choices I've made. Definitely,
Speaker 1: I don't feel like the world would be a better
Speaker 1: place if people were just trying to be more like me.
Speaker 1: And then they asked her, do you feel like you've changed,
Speaker 1: and she said, I feel like I changed immensely, just
Speaker 1: due to the fact that I've been exposed to so
Speaker 1: many people and just seeing other people's walks of life.
Speaker 1: Even though I thought I was so well traveled and
Speaker 1: I lived in Europe, lived in the States, and lived
Speaker 1: in different countries, I was so sheltered having been to
Speaker 1: prison and having been through the criminal justice system. He
Speaker 1: just exposed me to a whole different kind of a person,
Speaker 1: and my problems before just seemed ridiculous. And then they
Speaker 1: asked her, if you could go back in time, would
Speaker 1: you go back and do things differently? And she said,
Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight, I would have changed lots
Speaker 1: of things. But this is just not how life works.
Speaker 1: So I'm just building on my experiences and learning from them.
Speaker 1: And they said, Netflix, what do you say. I said,
Speaker 1: I don't hate that part. Yeah, and um, then they
Speaker 1: said Netflix paid you three thousand for your life rights
Speaker 1: this series, and you consulted on the project, and she
Speaker 1: said yeah. And that's why, to reference the BBC interview
Speaker 1: where I was asked, does crime pay, I could not
Speaker 1: honestly say no because I did get paid. So I mean,
Speaker 1: she's definitely has a way with words. She's smart. I mean,
Speaker 1: I can see how she could potentially fraud people by
Speaker 1: the way that she does emote, the way that she
Speaker 1: you know, she talks, she knows what she's talking about.
Speaker 1: She says it with like this command where if you
Speaker 1: guys want to laugh, you have to go over and watch.
Speaker 1: Chloe is crazy. She's on s analogy. She's a friend
Speaker 1: of our love Chloe, but she doesn't Inventing Chloe. But
Speaker 1: it just pretty much sums up what Anna Delvie was
Speaker 1: able to do by her overall presence with others. But
Speaker 1: it's so good. In conclusion, In conclusion, In conclusion, Anna
Speaker 1: Deelbe is my hero. I'm kidding you, guys, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm joking. Come on. In conclusion, you should watch Inventing
Speaker 1: Anna if you're curious to know a little bit more
Speaker 1: about the case. I think it is very engaging to
Speaker 1: watch it. And obviously Shana Rhymes can do no wrong.
Speaker 1: In my book. Anyone else have any final thoughts? No,
Speaker 1: we're all obsessed, been obsessed for months. I can say
Speaker 1: thank you to Anna and Rachel and NAF and everyone
Speaker 1: involved and potentially the tech rich boyfriend for giving us
Speaker 1: this entertainment. The unfortunate part is that it's true alleged,
Speaker 1: And thank you, sir for making a fake app about
Speaker 1: dreams that never came to fruition. And then he moved
Speaker 1: to Dubai, and I was on a phone call with
Speaker 1: someone in Dubai earlier, and and it may or may
Speaker 1: not have been him, but I will never say interesting timing.
Speaker 1: I see, I see. In conclusion, this has been another
Speaker 1: episode of real time crime. You can find me on
Speaker 1: the internet at Lea Lamar on TikTok at Leo Lamar
Speaker 1: with five ours, Teddy, where can we find you on
Speaker 1: the Internet at Teddy Mellencamp or all in by Teddy
Speaker 1: dot com. Oh and Dmitri still not at sometimes? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's sometimes gonna happen. I got snatched
Speaker 1: up what? No, I don't know. I didn't look, but
Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't appreciate that passive aggressivenes. It
Speaker 1: really hurts one thing. To be honest, I didn't have time.
Speaker 1: I guess I was just aggressive. I didn't say what
Speaker 1: did I said? I didn't have time to look. I
Speaker 1: think that's just pretty straightforward. I think you're a little
Speaker 1: too caught up in this inventing Anna thing where you
Speaker 1: think everybody rachel Or I was on. I'm sorry, Dmitri.
Speaker 1: Do you not bring your phone with you to the toilet?
Speaker 1: You had time to look, just like you saw Leah's
Speaker 1: post earlier with her phone in the microwave, yeah, and
Speaker 1: didn't comment. I didn't see that. Um, I do carry
Speaker 1: in my phone with me. To be honest, I did
Speaker 1: not look. I never really thought I was gonna be
Speaker 1: snatching up sometimes, Dmitri, because I don't think anybody gives
Speaker 1: a ship. We give a ship about us and how
Speaker 1: it makes us feel. Dmitri, are you going to do
Speaker 1: the sing song? Think? Of course? I mean, am I
Speaker 1: good for anything except for the song? Not? Really? Yeah?
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