1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Crime. Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode of 2 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Real Time Crime. I'm one of your host Leo Lamar, 3 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: and I have with me, I'm wonderful co host Teddy Mellencamp. 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: The pause is very essential. And then we also have 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: with us of course, sometimes Dmitri. Hello, Sometimes hello Dmitri. 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: Something looks different about you today. Oh no, like like 7 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: did you do a fresh ship? Like something is new? 8 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. There was a shadow on top of 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: his head and I thought he was wearing Oh wait, yeah, 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I trying. I'm trying on like a little 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: tough to hair. What do you guys think? Imagine we 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: come on the zoom and Dmitri just has hair. What 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: are you guys talking about? It was just the lighting. 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: It was the lighting all those times he just pretends 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: like everything's normal. Love that well, speaking of normal, today 16 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 1: we're not talking about anything normal. We'll be talking about 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: Bill Cosby's sexual assault conviction. We'll be talking about a 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: woman who faked her own abduction. We'll be talking about 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: Carson Cressley dating an AX murderer who hasn't calm down, 20 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, and then finally rounding it out with Anna 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Delve the story that everyone is talking about. You guys, 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 1: I've really changed since Chris Cuomo came into my life. 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: What's going on now? Not so? I never I just 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: I never responded again because I just felt very uncomfortable. 25 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm talking to a hacker, and 26 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, am I developing a relationship with a hacker? 27 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: And that stopped you? That sounds like a reason you 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: would keep going it. That's so funny. Also, I'm just 29 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: very curious to know. It's like, well, what what other 30 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: crimes have you committed? Sir? You know, because if it's 31 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: just like nerdy tech hacking, that's not so hot. But 32 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: if it is all in battery, let's talk. Let's be honest. 33 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: You're playing hard to get with the hacker. Would you 34 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: consider doing love is Blind? Leah? Yeah? I actually I 35 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: actually would really enjoy watching you do that and then 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: your face as the person comes around, knowing that, like 37 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: you know, your main thing is head shots. I just 38 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: not being able to see somebody's face and then developing 39 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: a full relationship is I'm ready for it to happen, 40 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm about to call their casting, but I'm not 41 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: against that. I think that's a good idea. I think 42 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: that brilliant. I'll talk about it on two teas in 43 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: a pod. It'll be great, Thank you, thank you. I 44 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: think the funny thing will be when no one wants 45 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: to date me, They're like, we don't even care if 46 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: she's hot, her personality, man, damn. I think my voice 47 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: would turn away enough. They'd be like, they'd be like 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: and she just kept laughing at her own jokes, like 49 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 1: I'm so intrigued. She keeps pausing for like seconds on end. 50 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: What's she going to say next? I should be on 51 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: Love is Blind. That might be the only way for 52 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: me to actually find I'm putting it out into the universe. 53 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: I think it needs to happen Leah on next season 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: of Love is Blind. I'll start watching recapping. Dmitri can 55 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: produce it. We can do all the things that sounds. 56 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean. I think I would be very fun on 57 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: reality TV because I just have no filter. I think 58 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: you write, especially on a dating show. Mess Is that 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: the name of my new dating show, hot mess Um 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: stood by camp. I'll never turn down a job. Okay, yeah, 61 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: should we just talk about crime or now? Can you 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: do the first cry? I'm yeah, of course. Look, I 63 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: just would like to put a trigger warning here for 64 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: anyone who is triggered by high sexual assault or and 65 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: or rape. We're talking about Bill Cosby. Man. This is 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: the case that keeps on not giving. The Supreme Court 67 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:25,039 Speaker 1: declines to consider reinstating Bill cosby sexual assault conviction. On Monday, 68 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: they determined that they would not reinstate Bill Cosby sexual 69 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: ssault conviction, dealing a blow to prosecutors who hoped to 70 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: put the accused sex offender back in prison. Last June, 71 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Cosby was released from prison early when the Pennsylvania Supreme 72 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: Court made the controversial decision to vacate his conviction. He 73 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: was sentenced to three to ten years in prison, the 74 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: pretty big range, if you ask me, in for sexually 75 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: assaulting a former Temple University employee in his mansion in 76 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: two thousand four, one of many sex crimes he's been 77 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: accused of committing during his decades long career the Pennsylvania 78 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: Court and really had quote unquote nothing to do with 79 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: guilt or innocence, that's clear. It's really more of a 80 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: reaction to what I would consider a prosecutorial misstep. In 81 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: two thousand five, Montgomery count District Attorney Bruce Castor said 82 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: that Cosby would not face criminal prosecution and former Temple 83 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: employee Andrea Constance case and knowing that he wouldn't be prosecuted, 84 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: he admitted in a deposition in her civil suit against him, 85 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: which was later settled, to giving coaludes to women with 86 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: whom he wanted to have sex. But since Kevin Steele 87 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: cast her successor didn't honor the former day's agreement with Cosby, 88 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: it was considered that they were using his private confession 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: against him in court, which helped pave a path to 90 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: conviction and raised constitution raised questions about the constitutionality of 91 00:05:53,880 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: Steele's actions. And you guys, news that in anmitted sex 92 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: offender was freed from prison basically on a technicality concerned 93 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: sexual assault survivors who worried that Cosby's released would have 94 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: negative repercussions for future future sexual assault cases. So sorry, 95 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: you guys are gonna have to edit out so many 96 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: weird words that I've created today. Um yeah, I mean, 97 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this? Do you think 98 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: that there's ever gonna be justice for the alleged victims 99 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby? I'm not even sure if we should 100 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,119 Speaker 1: say alleged she actually did confess that he gave women 101 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: kylus before. I think what you just went through gives 102 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: us that answer, which I think is now, you know, 103 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable that on a technicality this is what happens. 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: I find it disgusting because then you're saying that even 105 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: if someone so let's say he murdered someone. Let's say 106 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: he murdered someone, right, it's like, oh, you can just 107 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: get off on a technicality, even if you actually say 108 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: that you did it, and you did do it, that's yes, Sorry, 109 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: thank you for taking your role back as sometimes. But 110 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: I just I find this so disheartening for a number 111 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: of reasons because it feels like it's a misjustice system, 112 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: not a justice system. If someone confesses to a crime, 113 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: how could they get off if they've done the crime. 114 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: It just doesn't actually compute in my head. Well, I 115 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: know how it's making me feel, and I've never been 116 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: a victim of this type of you know, so I 117 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: can only imagine how it's making the multiple people that 118 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: have been wronged and hurt and abused to hear this, 119 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: it's got to be disheartening, and then it makes you 120 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: want to not come forward right. And this is also 121 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's like part of a bigger me too 122 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: movement situation where even if you know you're you're attaching 123 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: your name to something very loaded and you're giving a 124 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: lot of personal information and it's going to be in 125 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: the media forever anytime someone googles your name and then 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: to not even get justice for being so violated and 127 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: so wrong is it's I mean, it's cruel. H Yeah, 128 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: it disgusts me. I mean, look, I think that there 129 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: are a lot of times in media and entertainment where 130 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: people have a hard time separating the performer from the person. 131 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: You know, the talent from the man. And it's like, sure, 132 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: he's a very funny, talented comedian and actor, doesn't mean 133 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 1: that he gets to not do time for his crime. 134 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: He committed crimes, multiple sex crimes. I don't understand why 135 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: just because you have a lot of money and a 136 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: good lawyer and all this sort of because it just 137 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,559 Speaker 1: gets you off that amount of money, and those good 138 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: lawyers are finding loopholes in the system, and that's why 139 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: we're having this conversation. It's so frustrated. But we have 140 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: to move to a lighter crime because this just and 141 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: I texted a person involved. So this is from Watch 142 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: What Happens Live? So Carson Cresley dated an AX murder. 143 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: Watch video from Watch What Happens Live? Scroll to time 144 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: code for twelve. A caller asked Carson the question, Um, 145 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: Carson has a dating history? Okay, like with timelines and 146 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: footnotes and cross the effortcing. Speaking to Andy Cohen on 147 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: Watch What Happens Live, Cressley said the worst date of 148 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: his life was one with a person he categorized as 149 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: an AX murderer. A Apparently, Cressley had taken this fellow 150 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: home after a night at the bars, and the gentleman 151 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: did not get down to business so much as make 152 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: a sandwich. So the guy makes himself a sandwich and 153 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: leaves weird but not earth shattering. Cut till later when 154 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Cressley happens upon a most Wanted poster and the man 155 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: is wanted for multiple murders. Cressley came out ahead not 156 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: only by getting not getting AX murdered, but also by 157 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: getting a story to eat out on the decade. So 158 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: I texted him, you know, because he was my my roommate, 159 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey, and care to comment on this 160 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: AX murder story, and he wrote, um, I'll have to 161 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: come on the show. But I think he was wanted 162 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 1: for assault, not murder, so it's not as DICESE. Let 163 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,239 Speaker 1: me just say, if someone came over to my apartment 164 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: and not only didn't try to have sex with me, 165 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,239 Speaker 1: but just wanted to eat of food in my fridge, 166 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: I would wonder if they were just going through a 167 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: hard financial time. Well, but you have if it was 168 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: like after a bar or something. There's times that you 169 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: want to eat like you're hungry, but making a sandwich 170 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: is one thing. Going through like the Taco Bell drive 171 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: through is another. Yeah. I think it's actually even more 172 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: mentally ill to go to a stranger's house and then 173 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: just go through their rightful through their fridge and make 174 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: yourself a sandwich and then leave. I could see you 175 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: haven't a hit sitting in the corner being like, are 176 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: you only using me for my cold cuts? If they 177 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: grabbed some pretzels lee and maybe they need a little 178 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: snack and get their energy up, I didn't know. Well, 179 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: I have PTSD obviously if you can't tell about this 180 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: exact premise, but not that I did an AX murderer. 181 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, this feels like something I would do, 182 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: but you didd someone who was carbo loading before sex. Hilarious. 183 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: I woke up once at five in the morning. This 184 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: is when I lived in New York, and I heard 185 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: I would locked my door in New York, my bedroom door, 186 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: no matter what, because I'm crazy and it's New York. 187 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: And I started hearing all this banging in my apartment 188 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: and I didn't know what it was, and I thought 189 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: there was a burglar. And then I opened the door 190 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: and I see that this guy who had slept over 191 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: was eating all my bagels. What do you mean all 192 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: your bagels? I had a bag of bagels and he 193 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: just like shredded through all of them and he was 194 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: real wasted still, and I was like, Okay, um, this 195 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a crime to me. I mean, was 196 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: your bagel shop out of business? Came from Okay, so 197 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: clearly for sex, and you're not going to trade a 198 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 1: dozen bagels sex with this person. Maybe if you would have, 199 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 1: he would. He was wasted and he was just like 200 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: opening the ridge and like and like slamming down knives, 201 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, what's going on in there? Like 202 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: like the cupboards were opening and closing just slamming, well, 203 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: the story is making me want to fake my own abduction, 204 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: which takes us to her wow, which takes us to 205 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: our next New York Times article. Three weeks after she vanished, 206 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: Sherry Peppini was found over a hundred and forty miles 207 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: from her home. According to the authorities, her account of 208 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: being kidnapped was a lie. She said that her captors 209 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: had leashed her to a pole inside a closet a 210 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: bucket of kitty litters serving as her toilet. Then came 211 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: the beatings, and when she tried to escape, she told 212 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: investigators she was branded. That is how Sherry explained to 213 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: investigators what happened during her disappearance in two thousand and sixteen, 214 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,679 Speaker 1: a three week ordeal that prompted an intense and costly 215 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: searched across northern California, where she had been living, and 216 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: several other states. The widely reporting missing person case wound 217 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: down after a truck driver spot in Miss Peppini wandering 218 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: along an interstate, but the investigation was not over. Federal 219 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 1: prosecutors said this week that Ms. Peppini's claims that two 220 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: masked women had abducted her at gunpoint while she was 221 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: on a run in Reading, California. Had been made up 222 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 1: that she continued her deception when investigators confronted her. In fact, 223 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: prosecutors claim she was married with child two children, and 224 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: was staying with an ex boyfriend and had used prepaid 225 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 1: cell phones to arrange for him to whisk her some 226 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: six hundred miles away from his home from her home. 227 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: This sounds like a lot of work. Just I mean. 228 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: She was arrested on Thursday and felony charges making false 229 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: statements to federal law enforcement. The fraud charges stem for 230 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: more than thirty thousand and therapy and ambulance services whose 231 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: therapy mine from reading this article, this is unbelievable. Um, 232 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: but I we can't miss any time. I really going 233 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: down inventing Anna. And while we're already on people faking things, 234 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: can you just take a little background on Anna del Wie, 235 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: Anna Swarkin. Wait, I just wanted to say, I don't 236 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: see the problem. You know, this woman wanted to go 237 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: hang out, She has kids, in a husband, she wanted 238 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: to go hang out with her ex boyfriend. Tell me 239 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: another way to do it. If you know another way 240 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: to do it besides faking your own kidnapping and going 241 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: to elaborate stories and saying you're gonna have to use 242 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: kitty litter to pee and that you're tied to poles? 243 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: Did bran branding yourself just to have sex with your ex? 244 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: I mean that's how I know the dick was good. 245 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: That's how you know you're having ows multiple Yeah, you're 246 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: not having to fake it. Yeah, I'm like, wait, can 247 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: you look me up with this guy? All right? Yeah, 248 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 1: let's move right along. Anyways, shall we take a break 249 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: before we get to Anna find sometimes? Wow, you're the 250 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: bossy today. I think that was a question. Actually, so 251 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: spin it however you want. All right, we'll be right back. 252 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: Don't commit any crimes while we're on a break. Thank you, Hello, 253 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: and welcome back to real time crime. I hope you 254 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: didn't commit a sixty second crime. I don't know if 255 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: that looks like stealing gum from your neighbor's desk at work? 256 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: Was that a joke? I don't don't know. I don't 257 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: know what anything is anymore. I haven't even had coffee yet. 258 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: Today Teddy was like, let's do the podcast at eleven, 259 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, did you want me to 260 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: be awake or um lovely, You're like I can do 261 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: eleven thirty and I like trying press, trying to make 262 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: something happen right after this, and it's because you don't 263 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: want to wake up thirty Minutes'll be honest, I'll be honest. 264 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: I had a phone call with Dubai and they made 265 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: me wake up very early, and I was like, I 266 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: won't be able to function. This doesn't seem legal. I 267 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: don't love it. Why didn't? Yeah, I didn't love it 268 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 1: at all. Turns out a prince over there left her 269 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: some money and she's just trying to I mean, look, yeah, 270 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: well there was a Nigerian prince who asked me to 271 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: wire him twenty dollars and I was like, wait, is 272 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: this Anna Delvie do it? He's like, my name is 273 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Chris coom. Okay. Before we even get into the entire 274 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: Anna case, I need to know are you team Rachel 275 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: or Team Anna? I'm Team Anna? What about you? Sometimes? 276 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say that 277 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: if Leah says she's teamed something, I have to go with, 278 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: what about you, Teddy? Team Hannah or Team Rachel? I 279 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: you know, I can see both sides Here's where let's 280 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: get into that further. Explain to Anna Delvie to people first, 281 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna explain why I have my She's 282 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: all right. Annah Delvi a k a. Annakin pretended to 283 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: be a German heiress to create the Anna Delvie Foundation, 284 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 1: an elite club much like the Soho House. But she 285 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: wanted to do this in New York City. And this 286 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: all happened in essentially what happened if she swindled. She 287 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: tender swindled New York City elite hotels and banks and 288 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: people out of thousands of dollars with posh dinners, vacations, hotels, days, 289 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: and even stole a private jet to go to Omaha, 290 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,679 Speaker 1: all for her Annadelvie Foundation. She even got City National 291 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 1: and fortressed almost invest millions. She needed forty mill to 292 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: make the club so based off Jessica Pressler's New York 293 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: magazine article then turned into a series for Netflix by 294 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: Shonda Land. We all are now aware of this story, 295 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: and Teddy okay, So a big part of this story 296 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: is while Anna was doing all of these things, she 297 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: had her bestie and Toe come to Rachel Williams. And 298 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: this is where I have my issue with Rachel, I 299 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: personally have never had a friend that has money or 300 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: doesn't have money, that bank rolls me to live, never 301 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: or vice versa. So but if there any is anyone 302 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: out there listening who's like, Leah, you sound like a 303 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: really fun person hang out with, I'll bankroll you. I mean, 304 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: Leah's willing to that. Being said, you know, Anna supposedly 305 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: has all this money she's spending, she's staying at all 306 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: these hotels, she's throwing hundreds everywhere, she's going on vacations, 307 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: and she is taking Rachel with her. Never once is 308 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Rachel paying for herself to do any of those things. 309 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: I don't know anybody in their right mind that doesn't 310 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: know that everything comes with a price. Good call, like, 311 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: everything comes with the price, no matter if, like you know, 312 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: you have some friends that have more money than you 313 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: do and don't. And even then, if you're not going 314 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: half first, you're splitting it like I got you this time, 315 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: you give me the next time, and you actually do that. 316 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: But if you're just letting somebody pay for your trips, 317 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: your hotels, your life or whatever, I'm sorry, it's bounded 318 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: by you in the ass. That wasn't a guy. Do 319 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: we know how this was unfolding. Was She's saying, Hey, 320 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: can I pay for this or on this trip of 321 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: you because I can't afford it? And she was like, no, no, 322 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: I got it. You gotta come. You're my best friend 323 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: on this show, you don't. They don't really paint Rachel 324 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: in the best light. They make it out to be 325 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,159 Speaker 1: that she was a user of Anna and that she 326 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: capitalized on her trauma to make money. She does have 327 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: a New York best selling book called My Friend Anna. 328 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: Her instagram is consistently Netflix new series about the con 329 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: artist Ana Sorkin plays lip service to the truth, says 330 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: Rachel Delici Williams, one of her victims, for the world's 331 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: most popular streaming service. To allow this to up and 332 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: his appalling, they have ignored the reality of criminal behavior, 333 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: of pathological lawing, of reprehensible example setting to create this 334 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: fictional alternate version. Certainly the bogus director and this docu 335 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: drama Dirty John, also on Netflix, or the conman protagonist 336 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 1: of its documentary The Tender Swidler are not awarded a 337 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: fraction of the sympathy granted Sorkin, But then those shows 338 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: were not bankrolling those people, So I mean she has 339 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: multiple posts like this. However, shall I go on and 340 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: read Anna's post that she's been able to Anna's post 341 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: so much. If you have it readily available, you can 342 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: get to reading um. But the fact that you can 343 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: post from Ice is pretty incredible. Well, we should also 344 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,959 Speaker 1: note that she was um. She she left prison and 345 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: got scooped up by Ice right away because her visa expired. 346 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: So she was East on good behavior in February, and 347 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: then a month later Ice brought her right back into 348 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 1: custody where she is currently. Okay, now back to you, Teddy. Um. Well, 349 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: now we have to also talk about her money situation. 350 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 1: She was sentenced to Foard to twelve years find twenty 351 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: four thousand in order to pay restitution of around a 352 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: hundred and nine. Then she was paid three hundred thousand 353 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: for her life rights, so pretty much anything that she 354 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: did is wiped clean around. I mean, I don't know 355 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: how much money am I being a piece of ship 356 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: by saying I just don't even think any of this 357 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: is a lot of money. Well, the part that I 358 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: don't under like that's a student loan, correct, But I 359 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: mean I think Rachel end up putting something like sixty 360 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: dollars on her credit card from this vacation she took 361 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: with Anna, and you know it was her work card 362 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: and all of these things. But the argument is that 363 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,199 Speaker 1: she was never forced to do it, but they you know, 364 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: the hotel was asking for it. Um. But I do 365 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: want to pull up what Anna's posts are right now, 366 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: Anna Delvi is posting from Ice. I've been silent about 367 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: this for years. However, over past two weeks of watching 368 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: Rachel stubbornly refused to move on from her contrived trauma, 369 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: ever Braisen and unchecked, while going on every show that 370 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: will have her, I thought, now I have to, and 371 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: if I have to, I will. During her numerous public 372 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,479 Speaker 1: cries for attention claiming I ruined her life, relentless Rachel 373 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: Deloche Williams conveniently forgets to mention the curious period of 374 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: time during the summer of eighteen when she herself, along 375 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: with her newly acquired literary agent, we're repeatedly harassing my 376 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: lawyer Todd, both via email and phone clear to note 377 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: um to get me to agree to write a book 378 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: together with Rachel. And the best part is, this time 379 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: around around, I've got all the receipts. She doesn't post 380 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: the receipts though, right not that I've seen. I know. 381 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 1: Sounds incredible considering Rachel's recent media crusade, during which she 382 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: accuses everyone who isn't aligned with her vision of self 383 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: as a wrong martyr star for Justice, of glorifying crime 384 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: and giving platform to a con Can anyone please enlighten 385 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: us whether she's done anything at all over the past 386 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 1: three years other than talking and writing about me, reading 387 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: and dissecting my interviews, taking angry notes, looking for things 388 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: to get outraged about. She even quotes post I've deleted 389 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: after fifteen minutes. I can't find yourself someone who's is 390 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 1: dedicated to you the way Rachel is dedicated to my tayer. 391 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: Don't you just look? I know? Don't you just love 392 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: the irony of watching Rachel Delictulliams constantly adjust her very 393 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: flexible moral standards depending on the perspective amount of the 394 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: money that stands to profit based on the latest twist 395 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 1: in the tail of her unfortunate association with me, before 396 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: she epically embarrassed herself during my trial, before Netliks forever 397 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: submitted her very accurate Karen image, her moral come is 398 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: deemed acceptable, suggests we write a book together, all while 399 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: still pressing charges again against me. She thought she could 400 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: have it all, didn't she. It keeps going on and on, 401 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: but I think the last page. I'll read the last page, 402 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: which is important to this day. Rachel Williams clearly struggles 403 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: to accept the fact that twelve jurors unanimously agreed I 404 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: was not guilty of any charges related to her existence, 405 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: and that nobody cares about anything she has to say 406 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: unless she's talking about me. And while I can understand 407 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: her being upset at the fact that I've already accomplished 408 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: more for the various jails and prisons than Rachel in 409 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: her entire sheltered life of privilege, she won't be getting 410 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: away with this blatant hypocrisy on my watch. Also, she 411 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: she says something in like another one about the audacity 412 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: of her to still attempt to sell her white woman 413 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: tears that no one is buying. I'm like, bitch, you're 414 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: also a white woman? Like what? Well? I this is 415 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: obviously Anna has a very inflated version of self. I'm 416 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: trying to stay away from uh. But man, if she 417 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: was a man, I would date her. I have to 418 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: say that I have done a full deep dive of 419 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: every photograph of Anna that exists on the worldwide Web, 420 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: even her court looks that had their own Instagram and 421 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: got it been following that a lot of people and 422 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: the public eye. That's how like Joe Rogan's dog has 423 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: more followers than me. I'm like, I give up, And 424 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: not for one second would I be like, Oh, that 425 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:45,439 Speaker 1: looks like an heiress to me. Interesting, what what do 426 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 1: you think? Well, I don't know. I just think I 427 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: think like royalty, and I think like super polished, and 428 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 1: all of her pictures she looks like I look right now, 429 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: a hot, breaking mess with like messy hair, like her 430 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: parts like this, Like she's like, she looks like Samara 431 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: from the Ring coming out of the Well. Yeah, that's 432 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: what I'm confused about. And I know that you're not 433 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I'm 434 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: judging a book by this cover because the story is 435 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: all over the place, and I want to know who 436 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: these big businessmen were who were meeting her and being like, oh, yeah, 437 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: I want to invest forty million dollars into your company, 438 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: and you're all, you can't brush your hair. I also 439 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: am very curious to know. I mean, for everyone who 440 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: watched Inventing Anna, which is the Netflix series based off 441 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: of Anadelvie's life, I'm so curious to know who the 442 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: real chases. Apparently she was saying on her Instagram stories 443 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: that she would give to the highest bidder the information 444 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: about his real name and who he is to the media, 445 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: and it starts at a ten k bid and people 446 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: should slide into her d M s with bits. Let 447 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 1: me see how much I have in my wallet we 448 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: can pull together. There is something, Leah, give her one 449 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: of your n F t s. That's very funny. Um, 450 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: hold on, but remember when we almost had her for 451 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: other friend on the pod? Why am I blanking on 452 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: her name right now? Her other friend her like other 453 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: bestief and Nef was so nice. Um. And Nef is 454 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: the one that truly according to this documentary, I don't 455 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: know because we don't have an interview with Nef, but 456 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: really is the one that made people believe that Anna 457 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: was as great as she was because she was this 458 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,959 Speaker 1: incredible concierge and she got her into all the hot parties, 459 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: on all the hot lists and all the good reservations. Um. 460 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: That being said, Nef was almost here but then not. Yeah, 461 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:52,719 Speaker 1: good story, Hunsel and and they're saying that The New 462 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: York Post is saying the real Chase is Hunter Lee Sook. 463 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Who's that? Oh boy? They kind of look like twins. 464 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: Look at them. You see what I'm saying. Is this 465 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: guy really worth it? Is she really worth it? Are 466 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: they both really worth it? I don't know what this means. 467 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if it is him. I bet 468 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: we could find out by just sending her a d M. 469 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: I did find my d M exchange with Neff, and 470 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: Nef is taking a different route than her her other 471 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: pal Rachel, because she's taking She said, Hi, I haven't 472 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: done any interviews or spoke to any media since two 473 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: thousand eighteen. I think I would be too nervous. And 474 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: I said, it's okay. We can make it fun and light. 475 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: I hosted with a comedian, so we're super easy to 476 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 1: talk to. I ate myself. I hate hearing how easy 477 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: I am to talk to um. And she wrote her 478 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: agent's name, will be able to arrange everything for me. 479 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Sounds fun, And then we reached out to the agent 480 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: and crickets. This is what happens to us all the time. 481 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800 Speaker 1: We're like, oh, we're getting the producer and director of 482 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: the tender spin. They're like, we'd love to can you 483 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: reach out to our PR team? And the PR teams 484 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: like yeah, it's going to be a no for us talk. 485 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: It's the same as like if you somebody is saying 486 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna meet on a dating site and then all 487 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden the night of the coffee date, they're 488 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: just not there. It's a polite no. It's a polite no. 489 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: But just don't even you don't even need to respond. 490 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: Just don't open the d M. Why do they open 491 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,959 Speaker 1: the d M? Why do you open d M? From 492 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: CRISP Como? That I don't know the answer to. But 493 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: you know what's hard? But all right, apparently I have 494 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: COVID again. But my my biggest question is do you 495 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: think any of those jerors should have thought that Anna 496 00:30:50,760 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: was guilty? I look, I mean of the crimes against Rachel. Well, 497 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,719 Speaker 1: Rachel was forced to pay with her credit card and 498 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: left quickly. Anna stayed another week and charged sixty two 499 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: dollars vacation on Rachel's card. That sucks, that's not cool. 500 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what happened. Then, Anna came out to 501 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: l A, stayed at the Chateau Marmont, and for those 502 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: of you that do not know, Chateau Marmont is probably 503 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: one of the most expensive hotels to stay at in 504 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: Los Angeless on the Sunset Strip, attempted suicide, and then 505 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: went to Malibu Passages, which is one of the most 506 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: expensive rehab facilities in California. Man, I've had so many 507 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: friends go there and there. She was arrested for breaking 508 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: bank fraud in two thousand seventeen. Trial started in two 509 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen. She was found guilty on eight charges, including 510 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: grand largsny in the second degree, attempted grand larsity, and 511 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: theft of services. However, against the stuff with Rachel, they're 512 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: saying that Rachel had the option because she gave her card. Correct. Yeah, 513 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: I also think, man, you know, I do know sometimes 514 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: with very wealthy friends, you know, I watched them go 515 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: to nightclubs and they'll leave the club and just be like, oh, yeah, 516 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: charge whatever you want in my car because it really 517 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to them, you know. I remember when I 518 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: was at eleven in Miami. Yeah, it's a strip club, 519 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: go on and this was during art Basil and I 520 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: think this is where I got COVID. But you know, yeah, 521 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: my friend uh literally just left the club and he 522 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: had at least ten friends there getting lap dances, ordering 523 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 1: bottles and I think they racked up over fifty k 524 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: in that night and it just didn't matter. But I 525 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: hate to say this that I can almost understand, and 526 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: I have been in a situation. It's similar where people 527 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: do bottle service and you're just all partying, and that's 528 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: the situation. However, we are talking about years time, We're 529 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: talking about traveling on vacations. We're talking about workout sessions, lunches, dinners, clothes, vacations. 530 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: You're gonna let your friend, no matter how rich they are, 531 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: pay for everything. There's got to be something in you 532 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: that allows that to happen. That's like, again, we don't 533 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 1: know the situation though, Like what if she's like I can't, 534 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: I can't go, I can't afford this. She's like, come, 535 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: this is on me and you're my best friend. I 536 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: need you with me every too, everything she's ever done. 537 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: Like that's like a weird codependent relationship. Don't you think 538 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: what they exist? Yeah? I mean also I'm thinking about it. 539 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: I have some people that have bankrolled me on a 540 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: bunch of different things that I could not have afforded 541 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: at the time. And why would I say no? I 542 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: just think that if you repeatedly, if it's repeated, they're 543 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: not be with the same person. I feel like you've 544 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: been burned by this. No, No, then it's your husband. No. 545 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: I just think that there's a there's a line in 546 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: the sand when you're accepting money from somebody else. Even 547 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: like I mean, this is gonna sound weird, but even 548 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,479 Speaker 1: with my dad, obviously he makes more money than I do, 549 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: I don't have a trust find I have no link 550 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: to him. I was never the kid throwing down my 551 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,239 Speaker 1: card because I didn't have any money from now we 552 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: were separate, my parents were divorced. However, now to this day, 553 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: now that I have, I make you know, a good living. 554 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: My dad is who who he is. We will take 555 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: turns who's paying for dinner if we go to a hotel. 556 00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: I'm not expecting him to pay. But that's because you 557 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: both have money. I didn't when I was younger, but 558 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: did when you were younger? Did you pay for your 559 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: dad when you went out to dinner? No, I would 560 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,800 Speaker 1: invite him to the restaurants I worked at and nobody 561 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: had to pay there. It is thank you, Mr Chow, 562 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: your own child appreciate it. Just what the most is, 563 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: Oh man, I've been a hostess. Honestly, it's probably one 564 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,400 Speaker 1: of the hardest jobs to do because you're so bored 565 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: most of the time. But so you're saying, if the 566 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: other person does not have money, it's fine to accept 567 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: she worked at Vanity Fair. We have something clear. She 568 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: wasn't like, she's not broke. That's not it's not me. 569 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: It's not like I would not want to do that. 570 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 1: But there are plenty of people out there, and there 571 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: are plenty of people that have money that are like 572 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: I don't care, I'm just come with me, I'll pay. Yeah, 573 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: But I do understand to Teddy's point, the repetition of services, right, 574 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,399 Speaker 1: it's like people have you know. It's like if someone 575 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,399 Speaker 1: was like, hey, you want to jump on my private jet, 576 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: Like I wouldn't have been able to afford at that time, 577 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: being like, hey, does everyone else want to come on 578 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: my private jet? You know, and it's like, oh cool, 579 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: uh round trip travel, Thank you so much. But then 580 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: it's not as if like for the rest of the year, this. 581 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: This person was provided goods and services for me for free. 582 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: So if you were like, if they were like, let's 583 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: go on the private jet again and this and that, 584 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: you'd be like, the only way I'm going this time 585 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: is if I can pay for my seat. Yeah, it's 586 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: mere nailed it. Well, that's my point. This stuff. Once 587 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: you started doing something and it's like, again, I'm not 588 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: that type of person. I don't like it. But there's 589 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: plenty of people, and there's on both sides, there's plenty 590 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,800 Speaker 1: of people that say, listen, I'm paying, I'm getting this hotel, 591 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: I've already got an extra room. Just come on down 592 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: and stay. Okay, So we're gonna agree to disagree on this, 593 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: but obviously both of these women are in a position 594 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: where they want to gain money from this story. From 595 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: what's happened, trauma, not trauma, whatever it is, their friendship, 596 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,399 Speaker 1: their relationship, what I have to offer from it. Why 597 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,680 Speaker 1: are they still so mad at each other then, because 598 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 1: they're both still making money by exploding each other like 599 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: they seem kind of like the same person. It's just 600 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,839 Speaker 1: isn't it just good telling, It's just good entertainment. I 601 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: think it's just to keep the story alive to keep 602 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: them both relevant so that I don't know if you 603 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: guys know, but Anna signed a deal for a limited series, 604 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: a reality show of her life after prison, plus working 605 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: on a book in a podcast, so you know, I 606 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 1: think she needs to keep the drama and the attention 607 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: on the spotlight around so that people still care about 608 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: her story once she's out of prison. And when as 609 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,839 Speaker 1: we take, we gotta take one little break and then 610 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 1: we'll come back. And I want to hear what you 611 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: have to say. Sometimes, sorry to cut you off. Hi, 612 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 1: this is Bethany Frankel, and you will not want to 613 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: miss my new episode of Just Be with actor Justin Long. 614 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,239 Speaker 1: He puts it all out there. He tells me about 615 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: a near death experience where he was abducted. He talked 616 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: about bouncing back after being in a film that got 617 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 1: a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and gives his take 618 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: on why celebrities date other celebrities. Listen to Just Be 619 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: on the IHRT radio app, Apple podcast or where ever 620 00:37:55,080 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 1: to get your podcasts. Okay, what were you saying, Dmitri? 621 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 1: I think that that's what people do when people do 622 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: things that are morally or legally wrong. The way they 623 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 1: justified to themselves that was well, listen, but this person 624 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,600 Speaker 1: took advantage of me, or this person is doing this, 625 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: or they're they're worse than me. They downplay what they've done, 626 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: or they put some of it on other people. And 627 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360 Speaker 1: I think they're both doing that as far as I'm concerned. 628 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: If you both do something wrong, just gough and you know, 629 00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,759 Speaker 1: argue with each other, but don't act like you haven't 630 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: done anything and the other ones you're a victim what 631 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,000 Speaker 1: the other one is doing. But that's what people they do, 632 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: they do they put it on someone else. So Anna 633 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: is like, well, Rachel's doing this, and Rachel stop calling 634 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: his attention. You haven't, you know, so they could both 635 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: just neither is taking accountability for their actions. But that's 636 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: also because they're an illegal battle. It's not just a 637 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: casual cat fight. If you will, this is true, you know, 638 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,560 Speaker 1: if they took accountability for their actions and apologized and 639 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: where I went and there wouldn't be lots of money 640 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: at stake and careers on the line. Has but has 641 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: Anna ever apologized for anything, like, is there anything on 642 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: record that she apologized for? Any of the people think 643 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: that there was some sort of interview where she said, here, 644 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:23,359 Speaker 1: wait a second, I'll tell you exactly where. Um hm oh, 645 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 1: one second, she should apologize for taking a private jet 646 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: and going to Omaha. So back in Um wait, sorry, 647 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 1: because there's there's there's an actual article here. Please cut 648 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 1: this out any accounts, Okay, So let's just also clarify 649 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: the fact that in she was convicted on eight counts 650 00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: and sentence to four to twelve years in prison. Right, 651 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,960 Speaker 1: and she moved through five correctional facilities, and she was 652 00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 1: later released in February of um and then six weeks later, 653 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 1: like we said already, she went to Ice detention where 654 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: she's fighting deportation to Germany. And it's like, is she German? 655 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: Is she Russian? We know now she's German. So over 656 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,840 Speaker 1: several phone calls the Orange County Correctional Facility, Ms Srokan 657 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,279 Speaker 1: spoke about the Netflix show and she was a paid 658 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,560 Speaker 1: consultant on just as a reminder, it was all about 659 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,400 Speaker 1: life and detention and the women question of remorse. And 660 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: in the interview she was saying, I feel sorry for 661 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: the way my case is being perceived, and I feel 662 00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,959 Speaker 1: sorry that I resorted to these actions that people think 663 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: I'm glorifying. Now I feel sorry for the choices I've made. Definitely, 664 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 1: I don't feel like the world would be a better 665 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,920 Speaker 1: place if people were just trying to be more like me. 666 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 1: And then they asked her, do you feel like you've changed, 667 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: and she said, I feel like I changed immensely, just 668 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: due to the fact that I've been exposed to so 669 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: many people and just seeing other people's walks of life. 670 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 1: Even though I thought I was so well traveled and 671 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: I lived in Europe, lived in the States, and lived 672 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 1: in different countries, I was so sheltered having been to 673 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: prison and having been through the criminal justice system. He 674 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: just exposed me to a whole different kind of a person, 675 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 1: and my problems before just seemed ridiculous. And then they 676 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 1: asked her, if you could go back in time, would 677 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: you go back and do things differently? And she said, 678 00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: with the benefit of hindsight, I would have changed lots 679 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: of things. But this is just not how life works. 680 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: So I'm just building on my experiences and learning from them. 681 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: And they said, Netflix, what do you say. I said, 682 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't hate that part. Yeah, and um, then they 683 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: said Netflix paid you three thousand for your life rights 684 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719 Speaker 1: this series, and you consulted on the project, and she 685 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,880 Speaker 1: said yeah. And that's why, to reference the BBC interview 686 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: where I was asked, does crime pay, I could not 687 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: honestly say no because I did get paid. So I mean, 688 00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,960 Speaker 1: she's definitely has a way with words. She's smart. I mean, 689 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: I can see how she could potentially fraud people by 690 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: the way that she does emote, the way that she 691 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, she talks, she knows what she's talking about. 692 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: She says it with like this command where if you 693 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: guys want to laugh, you have to go over and watch. 694 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: Chloe is crazy. She's on s analogy. She's a friend 695 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 1: of our love Chloe, but she doesn't Inventing Chloe. But 696 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,160 Speaker 1: it just pretty much sums up what Anna Delvie was 697 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: able to do by her overall presence with others. But 698 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: it's so good. In conclusion, In conclusion, In conclusion, Anna 699 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 1: Deelbe is my hero. I'm kidding you, guys, Oh my god, 700 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: I'm joking. Come on. In conclusion, you should watch Inventing 701 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: Anna if you're curious to know a little bit more 702 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: about the case. I think it is very engaging to 703 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: watch it. And obviously Shana Rhymes can do no wrong. 704 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,040 Speaker 1: In my book. Anyone else have any final thoughts? No, 705 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: we're all obsessed, been obsessed for months. I can say 706 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: thank you to Anna and Rachel and NAF and everyone 707 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 1: involved and potentially the tech rich boyfriend for giving us 708 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: this entertainment. The unfortunate part is that it's true alleged, 709 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 1: And thank you, sir for making a fake app about 710 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: dreams that never came to fruition. And then he moved 711 00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 1: to Dubai, and I was on a phone call with 712 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: someone in Dubai earlier, and and it may or may 713 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,320 Speaker 1: not have been him, but I will never say interesting timing. 714 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 1: I see, I see. In conclusion, this has been another 715 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 1: episode of real time crime. You can find me on 716 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,359 Speaker 1: the internet at Lea Lamar on TikTok at Leo Lamar 717 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,640 Speaker 1: with five ours, Teddy, where can we find you on 718 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: the Internet at Teddy Mellencamp or all in by Teddy 719 00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: dot com. Oh and Dmitri still not at sometimes? Yeah, 720 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that's sometimes gonna happen. I got snatched 721 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,360 Speaker 1: up what? No, I don't know. I didn't look, but 722 00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: but I don't. I don't appreciate that passive aggressivenes. It 723 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 1: really hurts one thing. To be honest, I didn't have time. 724 00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: I guess I was just aggressive. I didn't say what 725 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: did I said? I didn't have time to look. I 726 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: think that's just pretty straightforward. I think you're a little 727 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: too caught up in this inventing Anna thing where you 728 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:20,600 Speaker 1: think everybody rachel Or I was on. I'm sorry, Dmitri. 729 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: Do you not bring your phone with you to the toilet? 730 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,920 Speaker 1: You had time to look, just like you saw Leah's 731 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,400 Speaker 1: post earlier with her phone in the microwave, yeah, and 732 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: didn't comment. I didn't see that. Um, I do carry 733 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,439 Speaker 1: in my phone with me. To be honest, I did 734 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,880 Speaker 1: not look. I never really thought I was gonna be 735 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,719 Speaker 1: snatching up sometimes, Dmitri, because I don't think anybody gives 736 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:47,000 Speaker 1: a ship. We give a ship about us and how 737 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: it makes us feel. Dmitri, are you going to do 738 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: the sing song? Think? Of course? I mean, am I 739 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,320 Speaker 1: good for anything except for the song? Not? Really? Yeah? 740 00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,200 Speaker 1: Thank you everyone, Thank you for so you can find 741 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,240 Speaker 1: the podcast at Real Time Crime Pod. We love your comments, 742 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,040 Speaker 1: we love your suggestions, We love your concerns so much. 743 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: We have a live voice smail to call into. It's 744 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: eight six six twenty one crime again. That's eight six 745 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: six to anyone crame eight six six to anyone crime. 746 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: That's eight six six two on two seven four six three. 747 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: This has been another episode of Real time Crime. We'll 748 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 1: see you next week. We love you, Stay safe, goodbye. 749 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,720 Speaker 1: This just in sorry before we close out. Sometimes Dmitri 750 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: is still available on Instagram, so you can go ahead 751 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: and set that up before next week. Thank you Dmitri 752 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: for your time. Thank you, thank you all for tuning 753 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: into this real time cry. It's available and this is 754 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: more evidence that women can multitask in men cannot. Good Night, bye, 755 00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: good bye. It's real time grad real time gro I mean, 756 00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,879 Speaker 1: is it actually real time anything? Just the thing we say. 757 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: It's the thing we say, got it? Okay, see you 758 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 1: next week for more Real time crime, only on iHeart 759 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: Radio