1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: I am all in. Oh, I am all in with 2 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast All Right Everybody, Part two 3 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: of the season finale Raincoats and Recipes. We got into 4 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a discussion amongst ourselves and we decided 5 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: we're going to need a part two to just unpack 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: all this. Anyway, Amy, pick up where you left off. 7 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: You were you were, Oh, here's the thing. I think 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: that I understand what you're saying. Like, I like Rory 9 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: and Dean too, and I think Jared pattack he's a 10 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: total babe, and I'm like, kiss, I love it, right, 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: But it's the heartache coming that could be so avoided 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,400 Speaker 1: for Rory if she wasn't making dumb decisions. And Dean 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: it's like she's she's it's very bad. What has happened 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: between Lorelae and Rory that is not good, which we'll 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: talk about, but also the importance of the final scene 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: that is in there for a reason that Rory goes 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: out of the house. She's upset, she's in this thing 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: with her mom, and she calls Dean her boyfriend and 19 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: quote not at all because Lindsay answers, and then she 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: has that moment that realization of Oh, like, I don't 21 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: want to say it. How about she screwed up? How 22 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: about an alternate version of that final scene and let 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: me just put this on your plate and see if 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: you want to take a couple of bites of this. Okay, okay, 25 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: all right, because I'm going to serve it up hot 26 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: for you. All right, no silver ware? Are you just 27 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to face eat it? But here we go. 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: What if Flora I didn't come down on her with 29 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: that lecture and just said to her, I like, where 30 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: we're going. We'll talk about this in the morning, knowing 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: that anything she said was going to affect her daughter adversely, 32 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: So why not just say and I'm just spitballing here, guys, 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's right or wrong. But what 34 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: about just letting it lay there for the for the night, 35 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: so that so that Rory could sort it out in 36 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: her I think, on her own, and then in the morning, like, 37 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: be a little more gentle about it instead of being like, 38 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, what do you mean? She is horrified at 39 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: what her I understand she's horrified, But why are you 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 1: dumping on your daughter right in the moment and making 41 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: her feel that big so bad. There is one only 42 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 1: one reason why I kind of agree with Scott, and 43 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,679 Speaker 1: that's because it was her first time. Yeah, so, like 44 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: it is a very vulnerable like thing and moment. And 45 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: you know a lot of you know, people in high 46 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: school or whatever college look like, oh, I wonder what 47 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: my first time is going to be like or whatever. 48 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: And Rory painted it out like rainbows and butterflies in 49 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: her heads, in her head, like she said, I had 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: you know, my first time was with somebody that loves me. 51 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: Why don't you know? Like so she so she felt 52 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: like this was like, no, it's it's so, it's so 53 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: bad thing bad. Think about it, like, it's so bout 54 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: a year old lady in a bad marriage hooks up 55 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: with another dude in a bad marriage. Right, that's bad. 56 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: That's bad. You're eighteen years old and you just slept 57 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: with someone for your very first time who is married. 58 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: It's so bad. Yeah, I argue it. It's real, real, 59 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: real bad, and it is very bad. But but with 60 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: that being said, like it is such a pivotal sensitive 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: moment for Rory on what just happened. And I although 62 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 1: I agree with Loralai and everything she said and how 63 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: hard she is coming down on her. There is something 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: about there is something about it being Rory's first time 65 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: that like she wasn't sensitive enough. Oh I don't. I 66 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: don't know. Here's the thing. I understand where everyone is 67 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: coming from. And I agree with you, Danielle, because it 68 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: is like if this was like, let's say her and 69 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: Dean had slept together before, when they were together, this 70 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: would be a completely different conversation because they were going 71 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: back to it. I think because it was her first time, 72 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: I think Loralai was mad at the situation but didn't 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 1: take four seconds a second to think about how Rory 74 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: was feeling. Because for Rory, like you said, it was 75 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: all rainbows and magic and it was amazing, and then 76 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: reality said in that she called Dean good mom. If 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: you go, oh okay, let's talk about this, you know 78 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: about what we witnessed. Is she being a good mom 79 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: by doing that? I think there's there's no right and 80 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: no wrong answer. I think everyone's going to handle it differently. 81 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: Though there was one thing Scott said that what if 82 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: Laura I never came and had that conver Like, what 83 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: if Laura I just wasn't there. I think Rory's smart 84 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: enough where all of that would come to a realization 85 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: because when she calls Dean, Lindsey picks up. So I 86 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: think even if Laura she called Dean to prove her 87 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: mom wrong, essentially she needed him, like you need a boyfriend. 88 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, my boyfriend's married. Yeah, guys, 89 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: And she and Rory actually said to Laurel, I I 90 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 1: hate you. We have we heard that before. Before she 91 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: walked out to the door. She says, I hate you, mom. 92 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 1: I think she says, I hate you for ruining this 93 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: for me. Well, I hate She used the word hate. 94 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: Here's my thing. It's pretty severe. How are we arguing 95 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: that this is anything but terrible? And no, it's so 96 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: terribul because two people are living truthfully and expressing their 97 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: truth and loving each other. So let me ask you this, 98 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: Scott and society. Do you care about rules or about 99 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: in the way? What do you care about Rory? Of 100 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: course I care about Rory, So then why would you 101 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: ever care about all of these people? No, Rory, do 102 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: you care about Rory? Yeah? Then why would we ever 103 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: think this is a good idea in any way? Because 104 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: Rory will be hurt by this. Now I'm not saying 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. Six months down the road, Dean does 106 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: get divorced. He ends up with Rory. Okay, the pain 107 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: of this. The one thing that like adults should say 108 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: to kids is never do this. Don't do this. Listen, 109 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: wait a minute, don't do this because it's never good. 110 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: It's always bad, and and not only like look, counselor, 111 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: if you if you'll approach the bench, counselor Okay, um, 112 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: I hear you. But here's here are two words that 113 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: I think for me sum it up. No matter what 114 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: type of a life you're living, no matter who guides you, 115 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: no matter what you believe in, we know what's right, 116 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: we know what's wrong. Okay on the moral morality scale. Sure, Okay, 117 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: here's here's what I have to say. Life happens. Yes, 118 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: I agree with that, Okay, and it's it does. It 119 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: happens to everyone, and we don't always behave in in 120 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: in a spectacular fashion. So then the question becomes, how 121 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: do we handle that? What's the best way to handle that? 122 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: Now we're taking this incident out of outside of the 123 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: show and putting it into everybody's real life, and that 124 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody wants us to do this 125 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: is like analysis, paralysis to analysis. But I don't feel 126 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: like these guys did anything wrong. I don't think. So 127 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: here's okay, So let's say that that's what life is 128 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: about out what they're in the argument. This is one 129 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: of those times, my mat can you see text doctor 130 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: Goldscher and see if you can do a special up 131 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: episode with us. Not today, we don't have to do 132 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: it today, but this week or next week. Because here's 133 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: the thing, Yeah, Scott, Danielle Tara say we don't care 134 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: about Lindsay. Just pretend like we don't even know Lindsay, right, 135 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: So like I'm a believer that like, well we don't 136 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: because we were not allowed to care about her, for 137 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: Rory knows they're married. So say, but nobody cares about Lindsay. 138 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: But this is my point, this is my point. We 139 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: don't have to care about Lindsay even though, like a 140 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: good person goes you know, I'm not gonna like hurt Lindsay. 141 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: But Rory should know. This is what a person man, 142 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: woman whoever should know. I am setting myself up for 143 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: pain and in our lives, like we need to know 144 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: when to not do that. Don't know how in the 145 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: moment unless you have a lot of experience. It takes 146 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: a lot of experience. Correct, I get it. They're teenagers. 147 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: They're never going to do it right. Move would have 148 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: been You want to know what a baller move would 149 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: have been? The Rory that we knew years ago, because 150 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: what's happening is Rory is like devolving. Is that a word? Yeah, 151 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if it's a word, but 152 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Rory the Rory I knew would have done. And the 153 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: baller move is fine. Say they're in that the Dragonfly 154 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: and they kissed. Then she says, you know what, Dean, 155 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: clearly we have feelings for each other. You need to 156 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: go get your straight and call me when it's sorted out. 157 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: And I answer, baller move. But that's the move. That's 158 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: a person who not only loves Dean but loves herself. 159 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: One hundred amen, Amy, Amen to that. Yeah. Absolutely. The 160 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: one thing I will say, we do have to realize 161 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: is we're dealing with somebody who is un unbelievably immature. 162 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: And you hear that just so she took both of 163 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: them totally. But with the topic of Rory right now, 164 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: because she goes on to be like he was my 165 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: boyfriend first, like sister, Yeah, well if that is not 166 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: an argument, Like, what are you trying to say with that? 167 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: Let's right, let's face it. They're both coming they're both 168 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:26,839 Speaker 1: coming out of they're both coming from dysfunction one degree 169 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 1: or another. Yeah, he's coming out of his, she's coming 170 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: out of hers, and they're coming together and they're being dysfunctional. 171 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: But it's really nice to watch. But what we're analyzing 172 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: right now is like the behavior and it's just like 173 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: they're all acting like you're selfish. True, their brains haven't 174 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: stopped forming yet. They've got another dumb mistakes. When I 175 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: was that age too, I made plenty of dumb mistakes 176 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: when I was at age. That's the age where your 177 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: heart gets broken, where you get where you get, you know, 178 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: beat up a little bit, and then you'll learn. But 179 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: here's there's still in a learning phase. So Loralai says 180 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: what she says, right, because we're kind of analyzing a 181 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: bunch of things. Rory's making mistakes and did Loralai handle 182 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: it right? And it's like, here's why I think Laurela 183 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 1: handled it right. I don't think Rory's going to make 184 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: this same mistake again. She'll make plenty of more, but like, 185 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: is she gonna go sleep with a married dude again? Probably? 186 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you can ever make 187 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: that same mistake your first time being with your ex 188 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: who's married, Like that'll never happen again. I think. I 189 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: think what has happened here is we did not see 190 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: a scene between Laurel and Rory. We did not in 191 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: that moment when she was scolding her daughter. I thought 192 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: we were seeing a scene between Emily and Laurel. I 193 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 1: think she morphed into Emily, and and that was a 194 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: young because because let me finish, let me finish. Laurel 195 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: has heard that same conversation from Emily from the time 196 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: she was sixteen, and she's just repeating it, and she's 197 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: passing that abuse down to her daughter. Agree. I disagree 198 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: so much because Emily treats Lorelai irrationally and badly for 199 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: things that Lorela didn't even do. Rory made a terrible 200 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: mistake here, and Lorelai is not sugarcoating it, She is 201 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: not condoning it. She is expressing it in and she 202 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: doesn't raise her voice. She expresses it in a very 203 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: eloquent Maybe we pull it up and we read through 204 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: what Lorelai says, because she expresses it so well to say, 205 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,559 Speaker 1: to point out to her kid, who's who's like lost. 206 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,800 Speaker 1: I I'm not disputing what she said, Okay, I'm saying that. 207 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: I don't. I'm questioning the timing and the intensity of it. Okay, 208 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I think I think there's a 209 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: world where where she can say the same thing the 210 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: next day in a gentler way, in a more loving way. Jackie, 211 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 1: will you pull up the train script so we can 212 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: see it. I don't know. I think she needed. Look, 213 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, and I fully respect it. 214 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: I think you make it. Rory's not some screw up. 215 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: She's not running. She's at Yale and she's doing well 216 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: and everything's going well. How do you talk to your 217 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: daughter that way? That is not She's not a screw up. 218 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: She's a girl who is obviously very s she's screwing up. Okay, 219 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: so let her screw up. Let her screw up, and 220 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: let her, let her sleep on it, and let her 221 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: come to her own conclusion. She already she already did, 222 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: like she already made that decision herself. She already did 223 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: screw but let her but let her okay, So let 224 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: the screw up ferment a little bit overnight and maybe 225 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: she wakes up and has an awakening it. But allow 226 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: her that that space, allow her to come up with 227 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: her own conclusion and go to her mother and say, 228 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: you know what, Mom, I really screwed up. So you're 229 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: the dad right in this group because we're kind of 230 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: winging it. So your kid screws up. Now, I know 231 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: he's younger. I don't know what what kids screw up. 232 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: Let's say he lies, right, he cheated on a test 233 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, I did something bad to stay on 234 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: the cheating. Do you address it that? So let's say 235 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: he cheats on a test, right, and the school calls 236 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: me Nick, doesn't shade, he doesn't, he doesn't need I know, 237 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: give me, give just allow me the makeup story. I'll 238 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: tell you. I'll tell your kid right away, or do 239 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: you go okay, sleep on it and we're going to 240 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: talk tomorrow about No, you do it right. I do 241 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: it right away, but I do it very gently. I 242 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 1: do it very so that's my because you have to 243 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: know not was she not gentle enough? I think I 244 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: think she was not. That's why I think there's she 245 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: is her her she is, that's Emily coming out in her, 246 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: ripping into her. And I thought that that was a 247 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: little bit brutal. Look, I don't I don't disagree that 248 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: it was brutal. I think Lorelei was as brutal as 249 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: a mom could be, but I think it was necessary. Yeah, okay, 250 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: so let's look at what so what she says, So 251 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: this is the part. So Rory thinks the drama is 252 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: that she didn't tell Loralai she was going to sleep 253 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: with Dean, right, So she says like, I'm sorry didn't 254 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: tell you about it first. I didn't know this was 255 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: going to happen. And it's like, is she delusional with that? 256 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: Like has Rory lost her mind? That that's what Laurel 257 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: is going to be upset about? And I think Loralis calm. 258 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: She says, but he's married. She says, you don't understand, Well, 259 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: is he still married? And then she says yes, and 260 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: she says, well, then I understand, and she says it's 261 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: not working between them. They're not happy, and Lorelis says, oh, Rory, 262 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: like like she's aren't broken for her daughter. I don't 263 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: know that she was being harsh. She's just like and 264 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: then she even gives her another one, like he told 265 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: you he's leaving her. HeLa was like helping her walk 266 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: through it? Yeah, like did you realize what? Because because 267 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: Rory's in this fantasy right now and Lorila is trying 268 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: to bring her just back to reality a little bit 269 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: of Like okay, he said this, but like did he? 270 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: I think? And look, this is really interesting, Laura Leges. You, 271 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: of all people, the girl who thinks everything through the listmaker, 272 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: you didn't bother to discuss those things before jumping into 273 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: bed with a married guy, like she's I think she's 274 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: showing Rory this is not what she wants to be either. 275 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: And what about this part, Scott, Like, what about this 276 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: part where she says he told you he's moving out, 277 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 1: that they're getting divot? Okay, listen, Like I said before, 278 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: I am not disputing the Lurlize right to say these 279 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: words to her daughter. I'm not disputing this. All I'm 280 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: saying is and I was asking you to speculate, and 281 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: we have very successfully. I think is there another time 282 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: and another intensity in order to have this conversation with 283 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: Rory like in a real world sense. I mean if 284 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: you if your daughter did this, or if my son 285 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: did this, you know, what's the reaction. I mean, the 286 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: reaction is as important as the incident, right, in terms 287 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 1: of how it impacts the child, and how the child's 288 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: going to process it, and how the child's going to 289 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: resolve it. Like, wouldn't you rather have your child resolve 290 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: it within themselves in their own time? Why wouldn't you 291 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: trust your if you've done such a great job raising 292 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: your child. Yeah, so all she's reacting to, Yes, I 293 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: think she's angry at herself. I think she's angry at herself, like, 294 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: this is my deficiency as a parent, and this is 295 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: my guilt as being a single mother that doesn't trust 296 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: you enough. Now, I'm not going to trust you enough 297 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: to resolve this within yourself because you made this horrible decision. 298 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: Everybody makes horrible decisions. But who are we as parents, 299 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: or as a mother, or or as a sister or brother, 300 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: whoever you know, to come down on somebody that hard immediately? Right? 301 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. I think there's another world 302 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: where you where you respect your child or you respect 303 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: your friend to oh this dawns on me the next 304 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: day or the next two days and you just sort 305 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: of sit by and you watch, and they come you 306 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: and say, you know what, I think I screwed up 307 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: really bad here, And you go, why do you think 308 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: you're screwed up? Yep, Okay, I them come to the 309 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: realization there's more power there. So I don't I like 310 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: what you're saying. And I think there is there is 311 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 1: some truth or or correctness what I don't know what 312 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: the word is to the idea of Lorala saying to Rory, 313 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: you need to really think about what you've just done. 314 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: You need to really think about it, and then leaving 315 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 1: it and off she goes. So that I agree that 316 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: there is some right potential there that Rory comes to 317 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: it herself. But I also the two things can be true, 318 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: and that I think Loralai handled it in a way 319 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: that I actually was like, I don't know if impressed 320 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: is the right word, but I think Laura handled You 321 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: were just impressed with this may you were just impressed 322 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: with the scene and how it made pressed with Okay, 323 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: And that's your soul's parenting or abusing your daughter. Is 324 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: there a world where you can see that she's abusing 325 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: her daughter when her daughter is in an emotional state, 326 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 1: a completely a vulnerable state, and she's bashing her child 327 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: to the point where her child goes outside and breaks down. 328 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: Think she doesn't break down her mom is right though, Yeah, 329 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 1: she didn't break down because of the arguments of her 330 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: mother's right. It's not about her mother at this point. 331 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: It's about what that child's going through and allowing her 332 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: to process that all on her own and come to 333 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: her own realization. Look, I like where you're going with that. 334 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: I think in a perfect world it would have been 335 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: better for Rory to realize she made this mistake on 336 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: her own. But I think that Danielle and Tara are 337 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: correct and that they're saying She storms off like you 338 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about, Mom, I hate that 339 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: you're ruining this for me. And then when she calls 340 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: and Lindsay answers, in a moment, she realizes what she's 341 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: done and that Morlay is right. Jackie, can you pull 342 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: up the script again? We went through it like way 343 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: too fast. There's some really important things in there. And Scott, 344 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 1: I think that you're coming to this from a place 345 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: of such a being such an incredible parent, right, Like 346 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: we've all talked about it like your most important, yeah, 347 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 1: mission on this planet is to be a dad, right, 348 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: And so I think it's why you're feeling so much 349 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: pain for Rory, right because I think that you're you 350 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: feel what your child feels, right like you're this incredible 351 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: dad like for people listening, like Scott is the kind 352 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: of parent that like you can't we can't even describe 353 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 1: it in words like he is so it's his biggest life, 354 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Like I believe you would do anything, you die for 355 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 1: your kid, right, Like dare I say it all in? 356 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: All in, I think any parent is. But I just 357 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: don't think it's I think that this kind of thing 358 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: gets passed down. Now, Rory's going to do this to 359 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: her kid. Emily did it to her, she did, Laureli 360 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: is doing it to Rory. Rory's going to do it 361 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: to her kid. And I don't think it's okay, breaks 362 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 1: an erotic chain. Let the child deal with it, Daniel, 363 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 1: take your headphones off. Scott. I like what you're saying 364 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: because I think this is such a pivotal moment in 365 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: Rory's life. Now. I can't explain if it why, but 366 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: we all know in the movies that Rory has not 367 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: achieved what we sort of thought she would, right, And 368 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if this isn't one of the pivotal moments 369 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: that took her sideways, especially you know how we're talking 370 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: about that she's devolving. Like, I agree with you on 371 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 1: that now, I don't want to I'm not blaming Laureli there. 372 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: I'm blaming maybe Rory's bad decision making whatever. So we 373 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: will debate that as time goes on. Scott, I think 374 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 1: one of the things, and forgive me for saying it, 375 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: is that because you are such you're such a I 376 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: don't know what the word is for the type of 377 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: parent you are, but like you're such a good parent, right, 378 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: But I think it might be clouding your judgment here 379 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: with I do think Lorelai handled it really well because 380 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: she's saying, I scroll down a little bit. Whoever can 381 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: control this thing? I think it's so important when she says, 382 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: here we go, she wants to take Rory's side. She 383 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: wants Rory to stay to her. Yes, he's getting divorced, 384 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,400 Speaker 1: he's moving out, he has a lower and they've divided 385 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: up the Monster Truck tickets. But Rory says so she 386 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: asks her that because I think if Rory would have said, yes, 387 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: he told me they're getting divorced. You know, they're working 388 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: it all out as we speak, Lorela might have been like, 389 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: all right, but what she says, we didn't get around 390 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: to discussing everything, you know what. And then the ring 391 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: thing is such a gut punch. She's like, is he 392 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: wearing his ring? He took the ring off when they slept. 393 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: You know what? This is? This is a classic case 394 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: so bad. This is a classic case of of of 395 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: a mother being jealous of their own daughter. No, okay, 396 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: let me let me because jealous because she got she 397 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: got into Yale, and she's finding deep love and she's 398 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: asserting her independence all at the same time in the house. 399 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: So she perceived that to be disrespectful to her. No, 400 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: And I think that's lorealized dysfunction. I have a I 401 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: have a note on that, because I mean, as we've 402 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: seen the last four seasons, there's always parallels between Lorlai 403 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: and Rory. I don't think she's jealous Lorla. I don't 404 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: think he's jealous of Rory. What I think is understanding 405 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: and and Rory makes this point by you know you 406 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: did this with dad and she Mary when Sherry was pregnant, 407 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: which was out burn. But Lorala did this right, So 408 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: like we do have to understand this did happen to 409 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: Lorala and it crushed her. It literally physically crushed her 410 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: because she doesn't want that for her daughter. You know 411 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: what I mean saying Lola didn't know her, but she 412 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: need but or not she was pregnant or not, he 413 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: was with her, she didn't know that. No, they were 414 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: on the outs. This is so I'm getting so mad 415 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 1: about this because I could be wrong, but I'm pretty 416 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: sure I'm not. They Sherry and Christopher were sort of 417 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: it was not they were. They were together, and they 418 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: got back together because Sherry called Christopher to say I'm pregnant. 419 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: So any that Rory making that argument today today, today, 420 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: what years ago. I'm getting so upset. I'm gonna let 421 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: you're right. I take it back. That was such an 422 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: incorrect low blow the bride to make and just made 423 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:05,400 Speaker 1: her seem more idiotic because it's like, that's not even correct. 424 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: That wasn't they weren't together. How does Laura expect Rorya 425 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: to behave in some kind of puritanical way or a 426 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: correct way. You're bitanical without setting the example for it 427 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: in her in her how she lives her life, doesn't 428 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: date Mary an example? Is she setting scar Max Medina, Hello, 429 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: those chickens are coming home to roost. There's been some 430 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: inappropriate things going on. Yes, that's her teacher. She wasn't 431 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: respecting Rory's space at all. Now she's doing it again. 432 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: How do you expect your daughter to learn the lessons 433 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 1: on how to behave in extraordinary situations if you're not 434 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: setting the proper examples. Were boundaries were her boundaries? They're not. 435 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: I'll give you part of that, and that you could 436 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: be right that Rory made this choice because Lorelai didn't 437 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: teach her better. But Loreli is not crossing boundaries by 438 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: saying to her kid, who she just caught having sex 439 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 1: with a married guy in her house under her roof, 440 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: Like that is not okay. I don't think Lorelai is 441 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: a perfect person, right. I think that's the point of 442 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: this scene. Like, I don't think Rory gets to be Look, 443 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: Rory did what she did. She slept with Dean, she 444 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,399 Speaker 1: did it. But all that her mom is doing is 445 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: pointing out to her he is married. This isn't good 446 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: and guess what. Loril's right, because Rory went to call 447 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: her boyfriend that she just lost her virginity too, and 448 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: his wife answered, I don't understand how we argue that 449 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 1: any different way Rory blew it. Rory screwed up, Like, 450 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: how do we argue that she didn't screw up. Nobody's 451 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: arguing that she didn't that she didn't screw up. That's 452 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: not the point. The point is how Lauraa handled it. Yeah, 453 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I thought Laura handled it perfectly, but I 454 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: can respect that. I respect where you're coming from in that. 455 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: I do think it would be interesting if Laura handled 456 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,439 Speaker 1: it differently and said this is major. We need to 457 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: talk about this tomorrow. And I totally appreciate what Danielle 458 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: is saying too, where she's like, this is our first time, 459 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: this is a mess. That's what I'm saying. This girl 460 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 1: needs to go straight to therapy. This is a mess. Yeah. Yeah, 461 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: Well if she goes to therapy, then we don't really 462 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: have a show. Imaguarian therapy totally. But it puts such 463 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: a damper on the Luke Lorelai thing too. I agree. 464 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: I do agree with that we're on this high right 465 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: which we haven't even talked about this yet. Like we're 466 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: on this high, this amazing moment, amazing moment. And here's 467 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: the other thing. Scott Patterson slash Luke Danes. You know 468 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: who does right? Luke? Luke does it right. He was 469 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 1: not He was not going to go try to kiss 470 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: her when she he thought she was still with Digger. 471 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: He says to her, I'm doing everything right and you're 472 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: still with Digger. He would have never made a move 473 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: on her. That's the thing. It's like, yes, there are parallels, 474 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 1: and Luke is awesome and Dean sucks. Luke would have 475 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: never he wouldn't have done He was heartbroken because he's saying, 476 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: I waited, I did this right. I'm giving you all 477 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: the signs. He's a grown he's a grown ass man 478 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: who's a borderline agoraphobic, uh, you know, and social social 479 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 1: anxiety disorder. I mean, come on, man, you can't compare 480 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: the two. But I yes. But that's the beauty of 481 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: the show is you get this high and then you 482 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: get this drama and you get this you're feeling all 483 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: of the time throughout the episode. It's like wow, wow, wow, wow, wow. Okay, 484 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. I love watching it. I loved 485 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: watching the scene. I'm just yeah, you know, spitball a 486 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: little bit here, that's all just throwing that in. So 487 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: now we can move. What did you think? Well, I 488 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: want to know what the k the kiss? Are we there? Now? 489 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: Are we there? Now? I mean I think so I'm 490 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: exhausted by the Rory thing. Yeah, well, I mean I 491 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: still think we need to dive into Digger. Just raining 492 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: on the parade and then Richard all right, all right, okay, okay, 493 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: and Emily all right, yeah that's all right, so let's 494 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: burnt back it up. All right. So and I think 495 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: I think I think Digger handles that that un un 496 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: unforgivable or or or less than appealing role very very well. 497 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 1: I think Chris Agaman really because that's a character you 498 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: just like get out of it. But man, yes you respect. 499 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: I kind of like coming back, coming back, but I 500 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: supported it. I was like, yes, he's got a right 501 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: and he's got a feeling too, and he's expressed him 502 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: coming back. But he should have been his truth. Man. 503 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: I think your life said get out of here, and 504 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: only it was the right time. It was. It's like 505 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: the timing was everything when she said, like, come back 506 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: later this weekend, we'll chat. He should have left, but 507 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: it was her place of work, and I don't think 508 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: it was. But tim it looks like the only thing 509 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: that was timed well somewhat was the kiss. That's the 510 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: only thing that was really timed right. Everything else was true. 511 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: Oh boy, but crazily it actually loved about when Digger 512 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: came and Lord Laig brings him his plate of food 513 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, and they're talking, but you see Luke just 514 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: watching just so yeah, he's like, what is going on 515 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: over there? And who is this guy? I love Luke 516 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: for going and sitting down with the guy and and 517 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: calmly having a conversation like what's your deal, dude? Like 518 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: what are you doing? Who are you? What are you doing? 519 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: And then you don't fly off the handle and act insane. 520 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, he already did that with U with his wife. 521 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's true. But that was justified. Though I 522 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: thought I thought he was gonna, you know, pull out 523 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 1: another pair of socks. I didn't realize that there is 524 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot we haven't covered. Okay, so 525 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: the Gilmour's arrived with all their luggage. Let's play that through. 526 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: That's a hot mess, right, they are a hot mess. Yeah, 527 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, and she finally admits they're separated. This is 528 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: like the confirmation that they are indeed separated. Right, Speaking 529 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: of messes, I just love that Luke arrives with the flowers, 530 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: and a Lie is still just so flustered, and Luke 531 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: is very cool. He's like, okay, like he's really he's 532 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's under undercover Joe. He's like he's playing 533 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: a little too cool, isn't he. It's like, you know, 534 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: he's being romantic, but he's not compon to it, which 535 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: is he hasn't worn a flannel or something like all 536 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: of a sudden, Luke's got game. He's got game time 537 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: a hundred wow with the flowers, but not sort of like, no, 538 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: it's not a romantic things to say congratulation from the 539 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: opening up, here's some flowers, beautiful flowers. I'm gonna plant 540 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: one emulator. But he didn't say it, you know, Oh, 541 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: he nailed it. I also think there's some really major 542 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: face acting if we want to peek at it, when 543 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: Tom comes in in the suit and then we see 544 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: Luke with Babette and Miss Patty and there's just face 545 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: acting going on all over the place. Oh because her 546 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: robe opened, Oh my god. Well yes, but then you 547 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: have a glance with each other that I thought, oh 548 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: wow with the look. Yeah, that's some that some baller 549 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: face acting, as you would say, right to borrow a 550 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: term baller face acting, right then, baller that was just 551 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: like staring right at her. I mean, okay, so a 552 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: little more okay, yeah, here comes the face. That was 553 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: the moment she knew that she is so cute. Look 554 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: how cute she is. He's got and Jackson's got the 555 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 1: Credence shirt on, and Rory and Jackson are eating their 556 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: dinner together and it's just also sweet. Wasn't it great 557 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: to see Jackson once again? There's still good to see Jackson. 558 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: Some randos that got let in randos like who are 559 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: those randos? Like those two people, oh Tom in the suit? 560 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: Okay are those two randos? Like they invite it? There? Okay, 561 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: here it comes. So there's face acting right after this. 562 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: The robe bit was hilarious. Couldn't relate to two characters 563 00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: more than the Bet and Patty in this scene their robes. 564 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: Like yeah, but there's so much face acting. See look 565 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: at that that. Oh my god, oh my god, rewind 566 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: rewind rewind the face acting between the two of you. 567 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: Did you guys go to the school for face acting, 568 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,160 Speaker 1: because look at that, you're literally having a conversation with 569 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 1: your eyeballs. Oh my god, that was it. That's an 570 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: Emmy Award winning face acting. Okay, so then here comes 571 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: We're still deal with the like servers whatever. But then 572 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: idiot Jason comes and I like digger, but like, it 573 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: was weird. If somebody did that to me and showed up, Like, 574 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: imagine somebody comes to jingle Ball to have a conversation 575 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: with me, I'd be like, what that is a man 576 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 1: in love? That is a man in love who wants 577 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: somebody's trying to support her and like and no, he 578 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: couldn't take it anymore. He was sitting in his apartment 579 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: staring at his plan for two make her like, oh 580 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 1: you sew my parents and now you show like it 581 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: was a whole thing. And I like that she said 582 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: it to his face. He was he was just getting 583 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: used to show the audience how desirable she truly is. 584 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: I love that bet Bette knew the whole thing and 585 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: she does the quick one minute catch. Luca the whole thing. 586 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: It reminds me. Have you guys seen Frozen Frozen in two? Yeah, 587 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: you know, and Frozen two. When Olaf tells the whole 588 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: story of Frozen, one really asked, yeah, like that's what 589 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: beat Beet's doing. She's like, so, first of all, sidebar, 590 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 1: what do you think of them all playing the games? 591 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: The board games? It was cute, it was fun breakfast. 592 00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to figure out what all those games were, 593 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: but we can do that later. I will say. The 594 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: one thing that I noted about this episode was like 595 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: when Laura I asked Rory to go get music, Like, 596 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: by the time the music comes back, doesn't matter what happened. 597 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:03,400 Speaker 1: Everyone's going to bed. The night's over, and she's like 598 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,960 Speaker 1: playing and she was like at the house, like playing 599 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: back the CDs to pick one. I'm like, just grab 600 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: a couple of night and then she decides to quickly 601 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: have sex, Like so yeah, first of all, that's not 602 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: taking ten minutes, right right right? Wait, we're lor you know, 603 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,800 Speaker 1: we're Lorly Rory staying at the anner were they supposed 604 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: to stay back at their house. There's no rooms. I 605 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 1: think they're going home. They're going home, Okay, that's what 606 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: I thought. I also um thought it was a little 607 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: peculiar to me, and I kind of get we get 608 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 1: a glimpse of it, like why weren't the Gilmour's at 609 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: dinner and like why are they not noticing Jason? But 610 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: I guess she like sent dinner to their weird cottage 611 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, why didn't they come to the dining 612 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: room because she because Laura I wanted them to be 613 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,359 Speaker 1: together to work it out, and in the bungalow way 614 00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: from everybody else the TV you can't find and in 615 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: the closet. Yeah, Like I'm like, I think she might 616 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: even have says something about like and then you send 617 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: dinner to the room whatever. So we sort of have 618 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: that blow up to where that you realize, oh man, 619 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: they're a mess. They're not together, they're separated. We finally 620 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480 Speaker 1: have that out in the opening they see Jason. It's 621 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,879 Speaker 1: just like, oh god, this is so You're like, how 622 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: many more people can walk in h I was glad too, 623 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: it didn't become like a Threese Company episode of like, like, 624 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,279 Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't do like Luke thinks she's with 625 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: Jason and goes home. Do you know what I mean, 626 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: like that would have been like the one with the misunderstanding, 627 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: Like I can't stand it. I like that lad get out. Yeah, 628 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: You're like and you're taken and she's like, I'm not taken. 629 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 1: It's like I'm doing everything right, you know what I'm doing. 630 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,640 Speaker 1: And then the kiss that was quite something, you know, 631 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: the whole Now, just think about in this episode, not 632 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,879 Speaker 1: not the prior or seasons, not excluding that, but just 633 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: look at the steps, you know, the little baby steps 634 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: to get to that scene. You know what I'm saying, 635 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: how many artfully crafted misdirection, confusion, how's this happening? And 636 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 1: like I thought you were with this guy and what's 637 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,760 Speaker 1: going you know? I mean, it's just it's just so 638 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: amazingly well written, you know, because it's just like, man, 639 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: they take such care to craft things you don't expect, 640 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: right because now here weren't like like the moment before 641 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: the kiss, they're you know, he's kind of going at 642 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: her like what the hell? You know, it's like almost 643 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: an argument. I mean, it pretty much is. And it's 644 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,759 Speaker 1: just such a great way to ramp up to it. 645 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: And but you just don't expect that, you know, really great. 646 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 1: I like how they're sort of truthful, like I like 647 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: how they're whatever transparent, Like I don't know if there 648 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,760 Speaker 1: are parallels between Dean and Rory and Luke and Lorely, 649 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,240 Speaker 1: and it's just like, Okay, I'm gonna go Luke and Lorily, 650 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 1: Like Dean and Rory are so irritating to me compared 651 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:14,359 Speaker 1: to the like amazing I'm going. I'm going. I'm going 652 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: with both of them. I love them both. The one 653 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,759 Speaker 1: thing I found interesting was, and Scott just brought it 654 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: up that like all these moments leading up to this, 655 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: like I can't imagine a show right now. Well, first 656 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 1: of all, the shows these days don't have twenty three episodes. 657 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: They're at like ten, but like we've been through four 658 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,080 Speaker 1: full seasons to get to this moment, Like most shows 659 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: can't even make it to like season two or three, 660 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: and like you're here at the end of season four. 661 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, like I didn't watch it, and it's 662 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: like I think I watched like the later years and 663 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,800 Speaker 1: it's run original run, But like I can't imagine sitting 664 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: there for four years, week after week, just waiting for 665 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: them to kiss on the night on the they finally 666 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: get a kiss on the ninetieth episode. Oh my god, 667 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,160 Speaker 1: ninety episodes. That's crazy. And that's why I bring not 668 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: that these poor people back in the two thousands had 669 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: to wait three months to see what's gonna happen. What 670 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: did they wait for? And here's the biggest shock of 671 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 1: the whole thing. You know, I'm just an actor in 672 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: a series who got lucky, and I'm taking this great ride, 673 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: right and I'm getting this great writing thrown at me 674 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: and I get to act out these great scenes with 675 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: these great actors. And then it's twenty three years later 676 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: and I'm seeing Time Magazine, I'm seeing Hollywood Reporter, I'm 677 00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:36,560 Speaker 1: seeing Rolling Stone, I'm seeing the top ten best kisses 678 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 1: in television history, and I'm in there, And how did so? 679 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: Is it? Because you know, I'm so damn appealing and 680 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: such a great kisser. No, it's because the creators took 681 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: ninety episodes to get us there. They took the audience 682 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: along for the ride, and they will never forget it. No, 683 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,360 Speaker 1: they will ever their whole lives. They're going to reference 684 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: Luke and Laureli first time. It's so crazy. That's the 685 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,399 Speaker 1: first time I've actually really thought about the fact that, like, 686 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 1: you're on those lists. What is that? Like, it's wild, 687 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: it must be cool, absolute mind, you know what it is? 688 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: I see that and I go, how did I fall 689 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,439 Speaker 1: into that? You know? It makes me think you hear 690 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,879 Speaker 1: Henry Winkler like talk all the time, right, like he's 691 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,399 Speaker 1: that guy is just amazing. He's so nice. It's just amazing, right, 692 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: and he's winning Emmys for Barry Right and Golden Globes 693 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,800 Speaker 1: and all these awards. He never dismisses being the fawns. 694 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 1: He embraces it. He loves it. He'll sign a picture 695 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: the fawns. Like, I just think that that's such an 696 00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:56,799 Speaker 1: important like cool lesson and just like yeah, right, like 697 00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: remember what got you there? Yeah, and you got a place. 698 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: Don't try to run away from it. And so many 699 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,080 Speaker 1: actors do that. No, I'm going to ruin my career 700 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,840 Speaker 1: if I keep you know, it's like, hey, man, honor it. Respect. Yeah. 701 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,200 Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think that, like I don't 702 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: want to get all like oh, you know, woo wooie 703 00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,839 Speaker 1: hippie dippie whatever, but like you played a character that 704 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:27,280 Speaker 1: is going to that's lasting so long, like like maybe forever, 705 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Like I was thinking 706 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,080 Speaker 1: about this this morning when I was getting ready for 707 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: the show. It's like this was twenty plus years ago, right, 708 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,800 Speaker 1: or was this just nineteen years ago? This kiss? Okay, 709 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: it plays as well today as twenty years ago. Like 710 00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: I was, like, other than the weird CDs and a 711 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,839 Speaker 1: couple of weird cell phones, for the most part, it's timeless. 712 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,280 Speaker 1: And it's like, oh my god, I mean I'm not 713 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, could you I'm not saying it's 714 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 1: Burt Lancaster and uh gosh, don't hate me for not 715 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,880 Speaker 1: remembering the actress. But that kiss on the beach and 716 00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: from here to eternity. Yeah, we'd obviously never seen it. 717 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: I just ate crowd. Yeah, I must be such a 718 00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,400 Speaker 1: And this is like I've seen this scene so many 719 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,399 Speaker 1: times of that kiss. Also, unfortunately, I've seen so many 720 00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,360 Speaker 1: times the um the Dean Rory one because it's just 721 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 1: so cringey. It's so cringey and uncompass. But whatever that 722 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,680 Speaker 1: kiss is like on my TikTok all the time. It's 723 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,759 Speaker 1: just as like around today, I mean, Milo is doing 724 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,360 Speaker 1: interviews for his new show and is asked about Jess 725 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: in almost every interview, Like, oh my god, they asked 726 00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 1: him the other day if he was team Jess or 727 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: team the guy from This Is Us? Although he kids 728 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: Jack and then they said are you Rory or what 729 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 1: was Jack's wife's name? Um, repect Rebecca And he picked Rebecca, 730 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,919 Speaker 1: which was a little bit of a dagger. Oh really, 731 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:11,879 Speaker 1: I think Mila loved This Is Us. Brought him all 732 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: the accolades and the yeah and the sure. He tells 733 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 1: some funny stories about fans that are like, I hate 734 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:25,320 Speaker 1: you over Jess anyway, I don't know. I'm like, so, 735 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm so happy and so sad in this episode. Well, 736 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: look the experience. I don't remember. I do remember the kiss. 737 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: I remember playing that scene. I don't remember the scene 738 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,600 Speaker 1: that preceded it. I don't remember anything about that episode 739 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,480 Speaker 1: that I filmed. Yes, I don't remember a thing, but 740 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,320 Speaker 1: I do remember the kiss, and I just remember being 741 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: and the both of us. You know, you know, such 742 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 1: a good kiss, because I think it's three kisses, right, yeah, 743 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 1: I mean, if she ever comes on, if Laura ever 744 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,240 Speaker 1: comes on, if she can find time and her busy, 745 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,680 Speaker 1: very busy schedule to come on and talk to us 746 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:10,480 Speaker 1: about it. Um, you know, this is the second part 747 00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: of the kiss. We were both watching very very very nervous. 748 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,120 Speaker 1: We knew that this was a big moment. Yeah, we 749 00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: knew that we had to deliver for the for the fans, 750 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, and I say, bravo. You know it was 751 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,399 Speaker 1: it was nerve wracking because then it's a three part kiss. 752 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,600 Speaker 1: Look at this Nope, it was about to be look 753 00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: at his face, and then you're still the good friend. 754 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: That's the thing I love about Luke is he's literally 755 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,480 Speaker 1: just kissed the love of his life and he still like, 756 00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: I got it later guy, Like yeah, Luke is a 757 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:58,240 Speaker 1: man of his word. Though he promised Kirk like that happened. Man, 758 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean this is like, yeah, I would say this 759 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest episodes of the whole Oh no, 760 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 1: it's the biggest. It's the biggest. There's nothing I mean it. 761 00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 1: It's the end all, be all episode so far of 762 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,360 Speaker 1: the ninety this is number ninety. Is it season four? Man? 763 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,239 Speaker 1: And so so, so we're going into how is this 764 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: only ninety if we're at the end of season four, 765 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,840 Speaker 1: twenty four plus twenty two plus twenty two plus twenty two, 766 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,960 Speaker 1: oh equals what I think it's ninety? Yeah, twenty forty 767 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:42,760 Speaker 1: sixty eighty four times twenty two is eighty eight plus 768 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 1: two is ninety thank you? Oh my god? One billion 769 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: is nine hundred and ninety. Did we do equations? Did 770 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,720 Speaker 1: we do equations? Yeah? We did. And then the person 771 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:04,920 Speaker 1: that makes our social videos nailed itself. It's not an idea. 772 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: It's eighty seven eight seven minute. So I thought we 773 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,480 Speaker 1: did twenty four the first season in twenty two, So 774 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,440 Speaker 1: it's twenty one, twenty two, twenty two, twenty two. We 775 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,680 Speaker 1: did twenty one the first season. Okay, eighty seven, there 776 00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,839 Speaker 1: you go, Yeah, eighty seven, all right, so it took. 777 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to reshoot this whole episode, 778 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,879 Speaker 1: thanks thanks to Wikipedia. I thought it was twenty five. 779 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,719 Speaker 1: First thing, I could be wrong, No, twenty one, all right, Um, 780 00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,759 Speaker 1: what do you think on this episode? Uh, we're going 781 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,480 Speaker 1: to assign it to our own measuring sticks? So so too. 782 00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:52,320 Speaker 1: How many how many nightcares? How many? How many naked 783 00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: Sean butts do you give it? Remind me because we're 784 00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,120 Speaker 1: almost out of time to in pop culture. And if 785 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,800 Speaker 1: we have crackstaff, I have something for the crack staff. 786 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: I'll do it, all right, Okay, So Scott who Danielle 787 00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: you go first. I had it as nine point seven 788 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,919 Speaker 1: five Macaroni and Cheeses. You deducted a quarter point What 789 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,200 Speaker 1: was the what was a deduction form? I didn't feel 790 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: good after this episode? Yeah, you didn't last episode like 791 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 1: I thought. Last episode was like that. Last episode was 792 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,319 Speaker 1: my unbeatable. This one did. I did not feel good. 793 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,200 Speaker 1: You would have preferred that that it end on the 794 00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: night terror kiss and then that's it. You would have 795 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: felt better. Yes, that's a great, great note about the 796 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:48,600 Speaker 1: open season five with that scene between Laurel. I wouldn't 797 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759 Speaker 1: have been mad at it either, because I loved I 798 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: loved Yeah, I just it ended and I was like, yeah, 799 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,439 Speaker 1: I feel very upset. I'm not gonna lie right now. 800 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: I'm on a high and I'm also on a low, 801 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:08,120 Speaker 1: right right right. It really tears you up. Yeah. Wow, 802 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:10,799 Speaker 1: So you're giving it a nine point seven five one, 803 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Macaroni and cheeses, Macaronian cheeses, Ta ta what 804 00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: are you what you're measuring? Stick? And what are you 805 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 1: giving it? I'm gonna give it ten CDs? Nice? And 806 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: who what's CDs? Who's the artist? Oh, it's gotta be 807 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:32,200 Speaker 1: some in sync and backt there you go U nine 808 00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:38,439 Speaker 1: point five nine point five either rabbit sauces or nine 809 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: point five facts because the face actings. I actually will 810 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: give the face acting ten, but I give the episode, 811 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna give it. Am I measuring sticks gonna 812 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,360 Speaker 1: be Harry eyeballs because I gave Laurelia Harry eyeball but 813 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: in a good sense, you know what I mean? That 814 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: was like, that was quite an eyeball, right there. I 815 00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 1: give her to the double both barrels. Uh, I'm sorry, 816 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: but this is a ten. And this is no flaws 817 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,479 Speaker 1: for me, you know, just because I want to spit 818 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,840 Speaker 1: ball about potential endings or you know, and pontificate on 819 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: no moral objective occations and uh, has no bearing on 820 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: how I feel about this episode. I just thought, for 821 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: the sake of argument, be good to bring it up. 822 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I mean perfect episode and every way 823 00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,440 Speaker 1: my favorite episode. Um, and it's not I mean take 824 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,399 Speaker 1: the Kiss Out. It's still my favorite episode, very very 825 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,840 Speaker 1: very on every level. I mean it just and it 826 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: just had that sort of easy, breezy, delightful and this 827 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,000 Speaker 1: and did you notice the show was so colorful? I 828 00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,279 Speaker 1: mean all these colors were coming out of it and 829 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,839 Speaker 1: here we are occupying the Dragonfly and we're seeing all 830 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,480 Speaker 1: this great stuff coming in and what a great setup 831 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: for season five. Um. Yeah, Now it's like a new 832 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: show is every everything is kind of resolved and repaired, 833 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,959 Speaker 1: yet there's still like there's new loose sense. There's there's 834 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:13,680 Speaker 1: Richard and Emily, yes with you know, what's going to 835 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 1: happen with Luke and Laureli, what's gonna happen with Dean 836 00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,000 Speaker 1: and Rory? What's going to happen? I mean, just just 837 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,720 Speaker 1: utter perfection. Um. This episode was written and directed by Amy. 838 00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:29,200 Speaker 1: Kudos to her. I mean just just really coming into 839 00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,920 Speaker 1: her own as a director and writer. Just you know, 840 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, I still think we 841 00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: need a therapy session to analyze really impressive stuff, really 842 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: really stuff. We might have to do that. I think, 843 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,360 Speaker 1: so yeah, because I want an expert to tell us 844 00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,080 Speaker 1: about analyzing just the way Lorelai handled what Rory did 845 00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: and why Rory did it. Let's have let's have that wonderful. 846 00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,919 Speaker 1: I was going to say that the fan, the fan 847 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 1: who's a therapist, because really and there's and yes, get her, 848 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,319 Speaker 1: she's she's brilliant. She's absolutely brilliant. Um, yeah, have her, 849 00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,319 Speaker 1: you know, have her, let her see this and then 850 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,919 Speaker 1: she can know Pine or maybe every day she sees 851 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,680 Speaker 1: it right exactly, all right, So that's gonna do it. 852 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,919 Speaker 1: Thank you, ladies. Uh Um Tara su Danielle Romo, Amy 853 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: Sugarman from her San Francisco estate. I believe we're in 854 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:33,600 Speaker 1: season five. I can't believe it. It's really flying by 855 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: is what? Didn't we just start this podcast? What is 856 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:41,280 Speaker 1: happening here? We just started? No, we're like two hundred 857 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,919 Speaker 1: and fifteen episodes and it's just fantastic. All right, Thank 858 00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,399 Speaker 1: you everybody, best fans on the planet. Thanks for taking 859 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,520 Speaker 1: the ride with us. We really appreciate it. Love to 860 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 1: all of you. Stay safe and always remember I am 861 00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: all In. See you next time. 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