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Speaker 3: Good morning, everybody, Happy Friday. How's everybody doing?

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Speaker 4: Now? You doing.

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Speaker 2: Excellent bunch of interesting stuff this morning. We've got Nobel

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Speaker 2: Peace Prize has been awarded, not totally to Trump, but

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Speaker 2: like kind of low key a little bit to Trump's.

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Speaker 5: That's really really market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Don Bolton, Marco Rubio, many people who who get

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Speaker 2: to have the benefit of this particular Nobel Peace Prize.

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Speaker 2: We also have the ceasefire officially in effect. We're going

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Speaker 2: to take a look. We're going to rekindle Ryan's feud

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Speaker 2: with Jesse waters, So you guys definitely want to check

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Speaker 2: that out. All kinds of stuff going on in terms

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Speaker 2: of Trump and Chicago, etc. That we want to check

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Speaker 2: in on as well, But wanted to start with the

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Speaker 2: fact that that ceasefire in Gaza is officially in effect, Ryan, Like,

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Speaker 2: what do we know about what's actually going on there

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Speaker 2: and how things are looking?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, went into effect at what five am hour time?

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 6: Israel says that it has redeployed its troops to the

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Speaker 6: lines that they have agreed upon, but they will continue

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Speaker 6: to carry out operations basically in self defense, like if

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Speaker 6: they feel like they are being threatened, they will continue

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Speaker 6: to attack Palestinians. I think in the last twenty four

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Speaker 6: hours at least seventeen Palestinians were killed. But they also

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Speaker 6: confess it's.

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Speaker 3: Not really my understanding of a ceasefire.

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Speaker 6: No, well, that is the understanding that the Israel government

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Speaker 6: usually brings to a ceasefire. They reached a ceasefire many

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Speaker 6: months ago with Lebanon and have been striking Lebanon on

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Speaker 6: a weekly or almost daily basis. So the level of

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Speaker 6: the strikes a number of strikes will certainly reduce, but

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Speaker 6: Israel's suggesting that it won't reduce down to zero. Now

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Speaker 6: that they have officially agreed to it, it'll be time

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Speaker 6: to go try to find all of the captives that

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Speaker 6: need to be released and then also try to find

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Speaker 6: the bodies. Meanwhile, Israel's then supposed to begin the process

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Speaker 6: of releasing it's two hundred and fifty lifetime you know,

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Speaker 6: what they call lifers is Palestinian and serving life sentences

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Speaker 6: as well as what it's seventeen hundred people who that

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Speaker 6: they who they basically were holding as hostages men, women

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Speaker 6: and children that they had picked up in Gaza after

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Speaker 6: October seventh, who they said have nothing to do with

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Speaker 4: So they're going to release some of those.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Is Marwan Bargerty going to be part of that prisoner

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Speaker 2: release because I know that had been on point of contention.

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Speaker 6: I don't, I have not seen whether you know the

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Speaker 6: word is that you know, Palestinians are pushing very hard

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Speaker 4: Guys, I understand it. He's currently not in Marwan Bargutty, interestingly,

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Speaker 6: He's FATA, which is the rival of Hamas and yet yet,

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Speaker 6: yet he is Hamas's number one priority because he is

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Speaker 6: into a national coalition, which is precisely why these rallies

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Speaker 6: don't want him released. So it does not so our

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Speaker 7: Released and Ryan just in the next like forty eight hours,

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Speaker 7: let alone weeks and months into the future. Are there

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Speaker 7: twenty point deal or other places where this is like

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Speaker 6: Well, the circumstances of the exchange, the can addition of

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Speaker 4: Tensions.

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Speaker 6: There's been a siegehn Yet when Israelis have seen previous

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Speaker 6: How could you treat the the hostages this way? And

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Speaker 6: Palestinians look around at that, they're like, this is what

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 6: But that that so that could that could inflame the situation?

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Speaker 6: You know, I just geopolitically curiously you guys. Take it

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Speaker 6: just feels very difficult cult for Israel to restart this war.

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Speaker 6: He himself has very clearly said that he wants to

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Speaker 6: continue this war. But I can't think of a faster

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, we'll see. So Hamas has taken

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Speaker 4: a gamble, but.

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Speaker 6: It's it's basically their only option and and it's a

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Speaker 6: huge relief for Palestinians and Gaza. It'll be cause for

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Speaker 6: immense celebration to finally open up the crossings, because there's

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Speaker 6: five or six crossings are going to open up, and

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Speaker 6: explicitly as part of the deal, they're going to surge

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Speaker 6: in you know, humanitarian aid, which is another admission that

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Speaker 6: they were withholding humanitarian aid for military purposes, which is

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Speaker 6: a war crime, but we knew that. But it will

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Speaker 6: be very benefit, it'll be it'll be it'll be life

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Speaker 6: changing for people who were on the on the brink

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Speaker 2: Life preserving for people who were on the brink up

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Speaker 2: starvation and being bombed and slaughtered on a routine basis.

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Speaker 2: Also interesting that GHF apparently is done moving forward. I

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Speaker 2: know you guys have been reporting previously that Israel was

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Speaker 2: really trying to keep GHF in place, so that seems,

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Speaker 2: you know, quite significant. GHF, of course, was the site

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Speaker 2: where there were these routine AID massacres committed by IDF troops,

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Speaker 2: where we had doctors saying, you know, every time there's

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Speaker 2: that's going to be gone. The other noteworthy thing, and Griffin,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can pull this up or

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Speaker 2: a news article to this effect, but they're talking about

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Speaker 2: an international force on the ground to police the ceasefire deal,

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Speaker 2: and as part of that, the US will be sending

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Speaker 2: some two hundred troops to Israel, So American boots on

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Speaker 2: the ground here to make sure that our ally upholds

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Speaker 3: At least that's the idea here.

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Speaker 7: The point that Ryan and Jeremy have made in the

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Speaker 7: how the pressures applied to the Arab world in Egypt

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Speaker 7: were really consequential. Uh, I'm sorry, the pressures applied by

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 7: One of those pines to the Palestinians in Egypt were

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Speaker 7: utterly consequential. And what's interesting to me about that, Ryan

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Speaker 7: is you guys have mentioned that for Palestinians, it was

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Speaker 7: important that Trump sort of put his own credibility into

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Speaker 7: the negotiation by being the head of the board, the

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Speaker 7: plan in Gaza.

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Speaker 5: And I guess this question.

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Speaker 7: About troops or how it's you know, how how these

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Speaker 7: of the peace plan. At this point, I was wondering

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Speaker 7: if you had any more thoughts on how like Kushner

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Speaker 7: and wit Coough and Trump himself have like put themselves.

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Speaker 5: On the line.

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Speaker 7: Does that make it Does that make any sort of

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Speaker 7: betrayal from Ntsian Yahoo even riskier from his perspective? Like

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Speaker 7: what could go wrong there?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the Palestinians, like major insistence was that any deal

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Speaker 6: be personally guaranteed by Donald Trump. They wanted him to

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Speaker 6: put his name on it and announce it publicly.

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Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 6: And from from an outside perspective, a lot of people like,

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Speaker 6: what are you talking about? Do you trust Donald Trump?

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Speaker 6: Is that It's like, that's not exactly the guy that

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Speaker 6: you would, you know, really want to ride or die

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Speaker 6: with that you're on his word. But from their perspective,

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Speaker 6: he's it like he's the guy, like there's nobody else

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Speaker 6: in the world who is capable of restraining Israel, but

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Speaker 6: he is true.

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Speaker 4: So which actually goes to this thing where everybody.

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Speaker 6: Thinks that Israel controls like the American government, they have

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Speaker 6: enormous amount of influence. The United States is more powerful

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Speaker 6: if the United States actually exerts itself as it has

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Speaker 6: in the past and almost in ending almost every other

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Speaker 6: war that Israel was involved in, Like that's how those

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Speaker 6: wars end. An American president calls up, whether it's Reagan

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Speaker 6: You're done.

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Speaker 4: I'm yanking the.

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Speaker 6: Leash your runways over whatever phrase I use it like

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Speaker 6: it's done, and so they were I think waiting for

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Speaker 6: so Hamas is saying, you've got this is all we have.

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Speaker 6: We absolutely do not trust net and Yahoo. So if

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Speaker 6: you put your credibility on the line, that's at least something.

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Speaker 6: And they didn't really want like that. He created a

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Speaker 4: But the fact that he.

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Speaker 6: Was putting a stamp on it was I think that

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Speaker 6: was kind of Trump's expression of that of that desire

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Speaker 6: and Trump, you know, yeah, he announced it publicly, he

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Speaker 6: spoke about it publicly. He's taken full credit for it.

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Speaker 6: That is what they wanted because so now Trump is

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Speaker 6: on the line. Well that's worth we'll find out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, talk about I mean to hear you, Crystal, Oh, it's.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, I mean, to your point,

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Speaker 2: it's not about Trump being a trustworthy character. It's about

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Speaker 2: the world that can actually tell Israel and enforce Israel

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Speaker 2: stopping the genocide. So you have no choice but to

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Speaker 2: hope that he follows through.

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Speaker 3: On the deal.

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Speaker 2: And you know, Jeremy laid out like there's some I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's disgusting, right, but that there's some sort of like

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Speaker 2: business dollars and cents logic for eight I think he

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Speaker 2: you know, Gazolavo is still the goal in the dream.

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Speaker 2: You know, we should probably play Candice Owen's talking about

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Speaker 2: how disgusting that is because she hit the nail on

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Speaker 2: the head with it, but that is effectively what they're

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Speaker 2: relying on, and not just in terms of gaz a Lago,

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Speaker 2: but also you know, he has all these desires and

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Speaker 2: business development deals in the with the golf Arab states

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Speaker 2: in particular, and so he doesn't want to piss them off.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if that's Realiszica. They're so

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Speaker 2: compliant and so like focused on the money too that

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Speaker 2: All the pressure comes from below with regard to them,

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how you know, how much screwing

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Speaker 8: Yes, so Ryan for people who haven't been paying attention

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Speaker 4: Tell me more about that.

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Speaker 9: Because Hamas has not agreed to disarm, they've not agreed

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Speaker 11: Now is that part of the deal?

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Speaker 4: Break that down for us.

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Speaker 6: But they have basically said they wouldn't disarm until there's

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Speaker 2: any non Jewish, any non Jewish person in Israel should

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Speaker 3: As a slave. So, you know, just to give you

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Speaker 8: So and Ryan, after you're reporting this week and drop

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Speaker 8: this one of the ambassadors that's getting some ghostwriting done

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Speaker 4: We don't have any evidence of that.

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Speaker 6: The guy whose speeches they were writing is now the

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Speaker 8: Well, Crystal also flagged this that you know, we've gone

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, basically the idea is that they did this

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Speaker 6: Great really impressive reporting here well and absolutely yeah.

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Speaker 7: One point that the person who broke this down made

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Speaker 3: That they can pull an element.

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Speaker 7: Yeah right, they can pull an element, they can D

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Speaker 8: So you know, Trump is celebrating, he's excited for his

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Speaker 8: The twenty twenty five Nobel Peace Prize when ordered to

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Lived and jav has came back to power, and you know,

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 6: She you know, celebrated, you know, Trump's coup attempts in

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Speaker 5: I will I will say. I don't I forget why

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Speaker 7: I went through the election certifications for the last the

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Speaker 6: They kicked her off the ballot, her practice, her but

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Speaker 6: does appear like that like Maduro rigged that election. And

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Speaker 7: Right, or like they're not even cooperating with those systems

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Speaker 7: They also did it they were able to track because

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And so.

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Speaker 7: The Nobel Pece Prize, I mean, I don't think any

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Speaker 6: because this is like if you're going to give it

444
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Speaker 6: to a American president's couplatter, like, why wouldn't you give

445
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Speaker 6: it to the American president too?

446
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he can definitely can definitely claim a piece

448
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Speaker 2: of that prize even if he didn't get the whole

449
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Speaker 2: thing this time.

450
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Speaker 4: That's true.

451
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Speaker 7: Well, I was talking to like Nobel historians who are like,

452
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Speaker 7: they just see it because this is in Norwegian, Like

453
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Speaker 7: they see it as so uncouth for anybody to campaign

454
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Speaker 7: for themselves to get the Nobel Peace Prize.

455
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Speaker 5: So it's not even like the people I talked to

456
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Speaker 5: is like, it wouldn't even be ideological.

457
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Speaker 7: It's just this idea that like he's out there begging

458
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Speaker 7: for it, and people are like, oh, that's the same.

459
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Speaker 2: Wasn't this part of you guys got to refresh my memory?

460
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Speaker 2: Wasn't this part of why Bill Gates maintained his relationship

461
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Speaker 2: with Epstein because Epstein was telling him like he could

462
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Speaker 2: get him the Nobel Prize.

463
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Speaker 3: Wasn't that part of.

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Speaker 11: Oh my god?

465
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Speaker 4: Really yeah?

466
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Speaker 6: I mean, and reading through Epstein's emails and such, it

467
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Speaker 6: wouldn't be hard to believe that he would have that

468
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Speaker 6: kind of pull.

469
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Speaker 4: But he knew everybody and he was able to make

470
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Speaker 4: things happen.

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Speaker 8: We're going to start our Peace Award, that's going to

472
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Speaker 8: start to be a competitor with a new list of

473
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Speaker 8: candidates who deserves the Peace for Ward right now, Ryan, I.

474
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Speaker 4: Mean, I would think.

475
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Speaker 6: Like doctors in Gazas, like doctors and nurses in Gaza,

476
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Speaker 6: like the or the civil defense, like the people who

477
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Speaker 6: knowing that there's going to be a double tap strike

478
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Speaker 6: still rush to the building to pull people out of

479
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Speaker 6: it like that. Those those are that's the best of

480
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Speaker 6: humanity under the worst conditions, selflessly putting your your body

481
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Speaker 6: on the on the line to help others that you

482
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Speaker 6: don't know. Yeah, that that should be what the Nobel

483
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Speaker 6: Peace Prize is for.

484
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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, do you want to move to Chicago?

485
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Speaker 7: Well, christ I think it sounds like your memory is correct.

486
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Speaker 7: That is, uh, that's actually what happened.

487
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Speaker 2: I thought, so yeah, yeah, Marbart Sager and I talked

488
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Speaker 2: about that one.

489
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Speaker 3: All right, Well, every aspect of that as wild.

490
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Speaker 8: Moving on to Chicago, Christine Nome is doubling down and

491
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Speaker 8: uh looking to get more office space here in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: Already is we're purchasing more buildings in Chicago to operate

494
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Speaker 12: out of. We're going to not back off. In fact,

495
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Speaker 12: we're doubling down and we're going to be in more

496
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Speaker 12: parts of Chicago in response to the people there. And

497
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Speaker 12: then I was there a few days ago and looked

498
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Speaker 12: at some facilities that we can deploy more law enforcement

499
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Speaker 12: out of because what they're trying to do with these

500
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Speaker 12: riots and violences distract us and keep us from going

501
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Speaker 12: after those murders and rapists that are out on the streets.

502
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Speaker 12: And then I was in Portland, went out and back in.

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Speaker 4: All right, so more offices.

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Speaker 8: We also do have a video here outside in an

505
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Speaker 8: elementary school that I wanted to play just here at

506
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Speaker 8: the top. This was from a recent ice trad on

507
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Speaker 8: an elementary school where they grabbed the mother out of

508
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Speaker 8: the car as she's picking up her child.

509
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Speaker 2: Just so people know as they're watching this, at least

510
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Speaker 2: according to the reporting, I saw this woman that you'll

511
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Speaker 2: see here is a DACA recipient and they actually had

512
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Speaker 2: to release or so after she's there picking up to

513
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Speaker 2: pick up her kids from elementary school, something line up

514
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Speaker 2: many of us will be familiar with, and they follow her,

515
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Speaker 2: they forcibly pull her out of the car. She's screaming

516
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Speaker 2: again right outside of this elementary school where her children

517
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Speaker 2: and other children are, And according to what I saw,

518
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Speaker 2: like I said, she had legal status, so they ended

519
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Speaker 2: up having to release her. So all of this, you know,

520
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 2: show of force with these dudes, most of them again

521
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Speaker 2: masked up, et cetera. And terrorizing an entire elementary school

522
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Speaker 2: population for someone who in the end turns out has

523
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Speaker 2: legal status. And by the way, is mom like this

524
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Speaker 2: is not some violent criminal gang member, trender urragua whatever.

525
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Speaker 2: This is like a mom who's going about her life

526
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Speaker 2: trying to pick up her kids from school. And I

527
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Speaker 2: don't know what happened to those you know, those kids

528
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Speaker 2: when they're waiting for mom and Mom's just been snatched

529
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Speaker 2: off the street by Trump's thugs.

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Speaker 7: I think an important point in that Crystal is they

531
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Speaker 7: purport to be targeting people with some measure of intelligence,

532
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Speaker 7: and we've already seen that there's a surveillance apparatus being

533
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Speaker 7: built in order to target people. And this is a

534
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Speaker 7: just staggering, not shocking, but staggering a display of incompetence.

535
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Speaker 7: When you are building these you are you're paying all

536
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Speaker 7: this money, taxpayer dollars to surveill and you're picking up

537
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Speaker 7: a DACA, uh, someone who is here with with legal

538
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Speaker 7: status and doing it like this is just I know

539
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Speaker 7: we're gonna talk about this later, but they are squandering

540
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Speaker 7: any uh, squandering certainly any like public opinion that was

541
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Speaker 7: in their favor for sure at this point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Immigration officials.

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Speaker 6: Immigration attorneys that I've spoke to have said that this

544
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Speaker 6: this phenomenon of DACA people getting getting swept up is

545
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Speaker 6: is uh fairly widespread, and oftentimes, uh, they don't get

546
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Speaker 6: out very quickly. The administer, the administration is reinterpreting all

547
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Speaker 6: because immigration law is like extraordinarily complicated and based on

548
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Speaker 6: you know, decades of stitch together precedents, and you can

549
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Speaker 6: be in deportation proceedings but still have legal status and

550
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Speaker 6: then the uh, you know, the administration will say, well,

551
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Speaker 6: we reject this legal status, and there it all goes

552
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Speaker 6: back to these quotas that Steven Miller has put into place,

553
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Speaker 6: So they are basically just sweeping up as many brown

554
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Speaker 6: people as they can and then asking questions later and seeing,

555
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Speaker 6: you know who who they can kind of make the

556
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Speaker 6: deportation stick, and also who they can persuade to kind

557
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Speaker 6: of give up the fight, because you put them, you know,

558
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Speaker 6: you put them in these like deplorable conditions, and you

559
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 6: can end your suffering at any minute by saying, okay, fine,

560
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Speaker 6: I will go back to El Salvador even though you

561
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Speaker 6: have a legal status and you can stay here, but

562
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Speaker 6: it could take you weeks or months or even years

563
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Speaker 6: they don't know. So a lot of people just give

564
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Speaker 6: up in the face of that raw power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean so I kind of

566
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Speaker 2: reject the idea that it's incompetence because I like, I

567
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: think this is all part of the plan of I mean,

568
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Speaker 2: it genuinely is like a mass terror campaign to scare

569
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Speaker 2: people into either leaving or.

570
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Speaker 3: To chill descent.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we have increasing numbers of American citizens who

572
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Speaker 2: have been either injured or illegally detained, arrested by Ice,

573
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Speaker 2: held without the ability to make phone calls for hours,

574
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Speaker 2: if not days at a time. Of course, we saw

575
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Speaker 2: the apartment rate. It doesn't surprise me that Christy Nauman

576
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Speaker 2: saying we're going to double down on Chicago, because in

577
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Speaker 2: my view, what they're also courting is some grand confrontation

578
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Speaker 2: that they can use in order to justify Trump invoke

579
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Speaker 2: in the Insurrection Act. And there's reporting to that regard.

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Speaker 2: They've gotten and they've gotten more. You know, the community

581
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Speaker 2: in Chicago is very upset, and so you have a

582
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Speaker 2: lot of activists who are you know, following Ice around

583
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Speaker 2: and honking horns to let immigrants know that they're coming.

584
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Speaker 2: You know, the atmosphere appears I'm not there on the ground,

585
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Speaker 2: but appeers to be somewhat charged. And so I think

586
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Speaker 2: that they believe that Chicago is their best bet with

587
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Speaker 2: a democratic mayor and a democratic governor who may be

588
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Speaker 2: a presidential contender, to get this grand confrontation that they

589
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Speaker 2: want to justify further consolidation of their power. And as

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Speaker 2: I said in invocation of the Insurrection Act, which would

591
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Speaker 2: mean that they could deploy National Guard much more readily,

592
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Speaker 2: and that the National Guard that's deployed would not be

593
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Speaker 2: subject to the limitations that they currently are. Namely, you know,

594
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Speaker 2: and DC we saw national Guard was mostly like kind

595
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Speaker 2: of assisting ice to the extent that they're you know,

596
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: sort of even colorably able to, but also just like

597
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 2: standing around and picking up trash. If you have the

598
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Speaker 2: Insurrection Act, then you no longer have those same restrictions

599
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Speaker 2: on what the National Guard can do. So I think that's,

600
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Speaker 2: you know, part of what's of what's going on here.

601
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Speaker 2: I covered, and I just think it's worth emphasizing. You've

602
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Speaker 2: already had people. You had one person who was shot

603
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Speaker 2: and killed, an immigrant who was shot and killed by

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Speaker 2: federal agents in or around Chicago, and you had this

605
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Speaker 2: other woman that I covered on the show, who they

606
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: claimed had rammed them with her car and then brandished

607
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Speaker 2: a semi automatic weapon. At least the semi automatic weapon

608
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Speaker 2: part of that has already turned out to be just

609
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Speaker 2: a complete and utter fabrication.

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Speaker 3: They shot her five.

611
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Speaker 2: Times, Okay, American citizen immigration activist, but American citizen she

612
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Speaker 2: Her lawyer now says that their body camera footage reveals

613
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Speaker 2: they actually ran into her. The agent in question who

614
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: shot her five times said do something, bitch, and then

615
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: jumped out of the car with his weapon and began firing.

616
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Speaker 2: So we already already we have incidents like this, and

617
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Speaker 2: this is still very much in the early phases. One

618
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Speaker 2: thing that is noteworthy and somewhat hopeful, if I mean,

619
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Speaker 2: if it's enforced, if it's not overturned on appeal, etc.

620
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Speaker 2: There have been some significant limits put on the federal

621
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Speaker 2: government in Chicago, specifically some court rulings that have come down.

622
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Speaker 2: We just got one where they're saying, no, you can't

623
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Speaker 2: at least temporarily for now, it's a temporary restraining order.

624
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Speaker 2: You cannot send the Texas National Guard Meal Team six

625
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: is not allowed to come into Chicago. They said, you know,

626
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Speaker 2: basically like it's ridiculous, there's no insurrection, and the judge

627
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: in their ruling said it on the content like it's

628
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Speaker 2: the exact opposite of what you're saying. Not only is

629
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Speaker 2: there not chaos and insurrection sufficient to justify this, but

630
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Speaker 2: you are the ones trying to stoke the chaos, which

631
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Speaker 2: I think many reasonable people looking at the situation would

632
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Speaker 2: agree with, especially after we know that in Portland the governments,

633
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Speaker 2: the federal government's own internal assessment said that those protests

634
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 2: were quote unquote low energy before Trump came in and said, oh,

635
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: war ravaged Portland and we got to send it in

636
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: the National Guard and we got to do all of this.

637
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Speaker 2: There was also another decision that may lead to the

638
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: release of high hundreds of the immigrants that they've detained

639
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 2: that says their in violation, the federal governments in violation

640
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: of a consent decree with regard to how they pick

641
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,399
Speaker 2: up these immigrants and the way that they're using widespread

642
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: warrantless arrests of immigrants, which is illegal. And then you

643
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: had also a decision that came down that was related

644
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: to their indiscriminate use of chemical weapons. We all saw

645
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 2: the priests who got shot in the head with a

646
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 2: pepper ball, or pastor or religious figure. I'm not sure

647
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Speaker 2: what his exact designation was. And we've also seen reports

648
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Speaker 2: about them pepper spray. They pepper sprayed the freaking Chicago

649
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: Police Department. They pepper sprayed outside of an elementary school

650
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 2: so the kids couldn't go outside for recess. We've seen

651
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: activist journalists, anyone who's just there like recording, getting sprayed

652
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: directly in the face. And so there was also a

653
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: decision that came down that was like, you can't do that.

654
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Speaker 2: You can't just spray you know, journalists and activists, you're

655
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: violating their First Amendment rights by using these riot control

656
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: weapons in such a widespread and careless manner.

657
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Speaker 7: Well, and I just want to say the because I

658
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Speaker 7: don't disagree that what you just laid out, there's a

659
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Speaker 7: broader effort to chill.

660
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Speaker 5: The like the any migrants.

661
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Speaker 7: Who may be here, to encourage what they call sealth deportation.

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Speaker 5: Like I don't, I don't disagree with that.

663
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Speaker 7: The incompetence, to me reminds me a lot of the

664
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Speaker 7: reason I invoked that description is because it reminds me

665
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Speaker 7: of what happened with mat mu Khalil and Ramisa os

666
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 7: Turk where they're relying on like what Canary mission and

667
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Speaker 7: they get these like lists of people who are apparently

668
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Speaker 7: support giving materials, support to terrorists and then just to

669
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Speaker 7: UH in Chicago may be literal but metaphorically shoot first,

670
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 7: asked questions later. And I do think that's strategic. I

671
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: think they're they're sort of like that that's the strategy.

672
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Speaker 7: I just think that strategy is like politically morally ridiculous,

673
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Speaker 7: and so that's the where the incompetence came. Like that's

674
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Speaker 7: where I was using that description because it's like I'm

675
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 7: saying this as a conservative again.

676
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Speaker 5: I know we're going to talk about this, but like.

677
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Speaker 7: I'm watching all of this happen, and I'm like that

678
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 7: they think they have this mandate, they think they have

679
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 7: the wind at their back, all of this political capital,

680
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 7: and they don't because what they're doing is absurd, and

681
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Speaker 7: so it's just like it's so stupid all around.

682
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Speaker 8: I think that leads nicely to this next clip where

683
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Speaker 8: it seems like, yeah, most people are kind of aware

684
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Speaker 8: of what the government is trying to do with all this.

685
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Speaker 8: Let's take a listen to our favorite. I guess he's

686
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Speaker 8: a priest. Now did he converts?

687
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Speaker 3: Wondering what is going on with that too?

688
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Speaker 8: Yeah, this is he doing a Russell Brand moment here.

689
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Speaker 8: We'll have to see you. We'll have to look into

690
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Speaker 8: that later. But let's take a listen to Rogan here

691
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Speaker 8: on these idea of sets.

692
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Speaker 13: Let's just talk about the immigration thing. The way it

693
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 13: looks is horrific when you're just arresting people in front

694
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Speaker 13: of their kids and just normal regular people that have

695
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Speaker 13: been here for twenty years. Yeah that everybody has a heart.

696
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Speaker 13: Can't get along with that. Now, everybody who has a

697
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 13: heart sees that and go, that can't be right. They

698
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 13: can't be right. They can't be the only way to

699
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Speaker 13: do this right because you have to think, look, yeah,

700
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Speaker 13: we have to have a border. Yes it should have

701
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Speaker 13: been secure. Yes they should make sure you know who

702
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Speaker 13: everybody is before they get in. But when people been

703
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 13: here for twenty years, like, come on, come on, that's crazy. Yeah,

704
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Speaker 13: let's find a way. If they've been productive members of

705
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Speaker 13: society for twenty years, no criminal record, they worked the

706
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Speaker 13: entire time, they paid taxes, find them a pathway to citizenship.

707
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Speaker 13: Find a way where you can do this thing that

708
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Speaker 13: you want to do, which is keep terrorists and cartel

709
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Speaker 13: members from getting across the border with drugs that kill

710
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 13: one hundred thousand people a year. Okay, but also have

711
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Speaker 13: a fucking heart, because if you don't, you're not gonna

712
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 13: get anybody on your side if you're doing this stuff, publicly,

713
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 13: throwing women into the ground, handcuffing people just for exist

714
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Speaker 13: on the wrong side of the dirt.

715
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not a criminal.

716
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Speaker 7: Not.

717
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Speaker 13: The only crime they ever committed was coming over here

718
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 13: as a kid. Yeah, they probably didn't even know what

719
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Speaker 13: the fuck was going on.

720
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

721
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, a lot of kids got snuck across

722
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Speaker 13: when they were already born in Mexico and they've grown

723
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Speaker 13: up their entire life in America. They can't even speak Spanish.

724
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Speaker 7: Well, I mean, part of that is where dude once

725
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 7: pasted the citizenship for millions and millions of people. But

726
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Speaker 7: I will set that aside and say he has had

727
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Speaker 7: that is a perception that most average Norman Americans are

728
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 7: going to have, and they're not wrong to have that

729
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 7: perception either.

730
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Speaker 5: And Zach Bryan, I think we have this who he's

731
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Speaker 5: been on Rogan.

732
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Speaker 7: I think he's like just again normy veteran super popular

733
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Speaker 7: with young like white dudes. I like Zach Bryan. I

734
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 7: think he's pretty good. And he has this new snippet

735
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Speaker 7: of a song. He previewed one of his new songs

736
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Speaker 7: and it's about like ice banging down your door. And

737
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Speaker 7: John Rich from Big and Rich called for him to

738
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Speaker 7: be Dixie Chicks and said, like bud Light should sponsors

739
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Speaker 7: tour or something like that.

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Speaker 5: Uh, it's just like again.

741
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Speaker 2: There's there's always this saw someone say, you know, what

742
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: a shock that liberals are getting beer, country music and

743
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: football in the national divorce.

744
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so funny.

745
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Speaker 3: But this is the thing.

746
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Speaker 7: There's the right was always criticizing the left for being

747
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 7: in bubbles, and I think we all know that that's true.

748
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,479
Speaker 7: But now the right has the reigns of power, and

749
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 7: that's they're putting themselves. They're ensconsin themselves in this thick

750
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 7: bubble now too. By saying anybody who disagrees with us

751
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 7: is a lib. Anybody who disagrees with us uh is

752
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 7: basically like pro kamala, And that just means you tune

753
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Speaker 7: out all of the like just well intentioned feedback that

754
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 7: you're getting when people see clips like the one that

755
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 7: we just played on the show, and you have influencers

756
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,760
Speaker 7: following Christy Gnome around acting like this is some generational

757
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 7: political genius, like this is this entire astro plan is

758
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 7: some generational political historic stroke of genius, and they're just

759
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Speaker 7: isolating themselves from like normy people who are looking at

760
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 7: us and being like this is is not. Of course,

761
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Speaker 7: there are some people who say this is exactly what

762
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Speaker 7: I voted for, but that's definitely not most of the country,

763
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Speaker 7: and so they're they're isolated, I think from all of that.

764
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Speaker 8: Let me read this lyric for a sec from Zach Bryan,

765
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Speaker 8: one of the biggest musicians on the planet. It says

766
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Speaker 8: his lyric is I heard the cops came cocky mfs,

767
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Speaker 8: ain't they Ice is gonna come bust down your door,

768
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Speaker 8: try and build a house. No one builds no more.

769
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Speaker 8: But I got a telephone. Kids are all scared and

770
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Speaker 8: all alone. Then a response from the DHS stick to

771
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Speaker 8: pink skies. Dude, says Department of Homeland Security Assistant Secretary

772
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Speaker 8: Tricia McLaughlin in a response, So yeah.

773
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Speaker 3: I hate these people so much.

774
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Speaker 4: It does feel like they're pushing it too far, Like yeah, well.

775
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Speaker 2: And Brian, I'm gonna ask you that. I actually want

776
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: to ask both of you guys this. I'll all three

777
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 2: of you this because Sager and I have been like

778
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: having a little bit of a debate about whether they

779
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,919
Speaker 2: think this is they genuinely believe this is politically advantageous

780
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: for them, or whether they don't care because they're not

781
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: that interested in whether they're going to have to face

782
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 2: voters and they don't think it's going to be that

783
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: consequential whether they have to face voters. I did note

784
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 2: dominion voting got sold to some like Republicans, stop the

785
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: steal apparatic, So that's a little ominous. Got to look

786
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: into that more to find out what that means. But

787
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Speaker 2: I mean that is that is my concern is that

788
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: as much as they are in a bubble, and I

789
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: think they are in a bubble, that they it's not

790
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 2: they're not doing these things because they think they're popular.

791
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: They're doing it because they want a one party state.

792
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 2: They're doing it because they're really going for it and

793
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: trying to consolidate power so that future elections are more

794
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: or less meaningless. Now Sager disagrees with that. He thinks

795
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: they genuinely believe but this is like based and popular

796
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 2: and that this is a good political trajectory for them.

797
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: So I'm curious what you guys, you know, what you

798
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: guys thoughts are.

799
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Speaker 5: On that I'll just take super quickly.

800
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 7: I agree with Sarger, like we obviously know some of

801
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 7: the players in this personally, and they did. My take

802
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 7: on this is like pretty familiar. They genuinely think that

803
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 7: this is popular. Now, there may be some people in

804
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 7: the mix, like Stephen Miller, who I don't really know personally,

805
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 7: who maybe it's a combination of both, Like they think

806
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 7: it's super popular and based, and they also don't care

807
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 7: if it's not.

808
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 5: But a lot of them like genuinely think.

809
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 7: That this is the will of the American people and

810
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 7: that normal people see these videos and are like I

811
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 7: had to happen at some point, too bad.

812
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, my take, I'm curious if this records with what

813
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 6: Emily thinks.

814
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: That Stephen Miller is a hardcore.

815
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Speaker 6: Ideologue, Like he has a worldview, he has the power,

816
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 6: he has the time in power, and he's going to

817
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 6: execute it. And he's he's also like a disturbingly young guy,

818
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 6: like he's going to be around for a very very

819
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 6: long time, and who knows if he ends up staffing

820
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 6: like every coming Republican administration, but that he thinks that

821
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 6: he can basically create new realities by reshaping the country,

822
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 6: and that old idea is about, you know, how this

823
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 6: particular issue polls week to week or will be out

824
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 6: the window because he's so thoroughly revolutionizing what's happening inside

825
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 6: the United States, and it's driven by this like end

826
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 6: goal ideology that is as extremely.

827
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Speaker 2: What is that end goal ideology? What are the realities

828
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: that he thinks he's changing?

829
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 11: Well?

830
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Speaker 6: As Trump as Trump said it, he said, if Steven

831
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Speaker 6: Miller had his way, there'd be one hundred million people

832
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Speaker 6: in this country and they'd all look like Steven Miller.

833
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 6: Like that's that's what Donald Trump said about Stephen.

834
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Speaker 8: This one hundred million number has been coming up a

835
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 8: lot and memes lately. The Department of Homeland Security has

836
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 8: been doing these like fan cams where they're like these

837
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 8: edits where it's like America if there was only one

838
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Speaker 8: hundred million people in it and it's and it's just

839
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Speaker 8: all white people frolicking around.

840
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Speaker 11: They like use old like nineties TV.

841
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they use like old nineties TV shows where the

842
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 8: cast is all white and stuff. It's like, oh, like

843
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 8: every show will be like Friends again, or it's just

844
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Speaker 8: white people. I don't know that that's This one hundred

845
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Speaker 8: million number is starting to really come up.

846
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean maybe they.

847
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Speaker 5: Started in twenty twenty four. I'm sorry.

848
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Speaker 7: When they came into office in twenty twenty five, the

849
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Speaker 7: Biden administration had just brought in what like eight to

850
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Speaker 7: ten million people in the period of three years who

851
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 7: had precarious legal situations. Some of them and this is

852
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 7: like the healthcare debate with the shutdowns. Some of them

853
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 7: are perfectly here legally because Biden expanded the pathways, and

854
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 7: that's true of many many people. Some of them are

855
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 7: here illegally without documentation. And so they did have this

856
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 7: like big that there. Most of the country wanted some

857
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 7: solution to this procarity, mass procarity among all of these migrants.

858
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 7: They wanted the border close. The Trump administration has basically

859
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 7: closed the border, but they took that and have now

860
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 7: said it's like permission to expand this police state and

861
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 7: to like militarize the operation in what like Elgin, Illinois,

862
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 7: as I think we talked about last week, a suburb

863
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 7: of Chicago, and these are very very different things, not

864
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 7: just politically but also morally, and the idea that they

865
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 7: have permission to like do helicopter immigration enforcement again politically

866
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 7: and morally in Elgin, it's just I mean, like and.

867
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Speaker 5: To detain American citizens. All these are these are very very.

868
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Speaker 7: Different things, and they don't seem to I think they

869
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 7: they genuinely are not aware of that, because they've put

870
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 7: them in this like trench mentality where it's like you're

871
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 7: with us or you're against us completely and you're with

872
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 7: the trende ragua cartel.

873
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Speaker 5: It's just yeah, anyway.

874
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Speaker 2: Well, and I think Ryan's point is important one because

875
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: there may be people in the Trump administration that think

876
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: this is politically beneficial. And then but the person who

877
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: really matters the most, I would say at this point

878
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: is actually Steven Miller, because he certainly seems to be

879
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: running the show. And so you know, my sense is

880
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: the same as Ryan's that and I don't think anyone

881
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: would disagree. This is a die hard ideologue who does

882
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 2: not believe in America as a diverse society. He doesn't

883
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: believe in the idea of a melting pot. He believes

884
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: in at a blood and soil white et no state,

885
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 2: and he wants to make it so that the people

886
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't count as American don't get to have a

887
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: say in the future of the country. So whether that's

888
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, through you know, the the terror campaign that

889
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 2: you know both effectuates deportations but also effectuates a mass

890
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: exit of people who no longer feel comfortable in this

891
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: country because remember we now have the Supreme Court says, hey,

892
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: you can do Kavanaugh stops. You're allowed to just harass

893
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: people because they're brown, under a car washer or whatever.

894
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 2: So that plus and Griffin, maybe you can pull this

895
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: about the latest you know reporting on NSPM seven and

896
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 2: the way they're going after Act Blue and you know,

897
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: anything linked to George Soros whatsoever indivisible and pretending these

898
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:37,240
Speaker 2: are part of some like Antifa terror network and targeting

899
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 2: them through the FBI, through the IRS, through the whole

900
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: of government. So his idea is basically, the people who

901
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 2: oppose me in the you know, black and brown people

902
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 2: that I don't consider to be quote unquote real Americans,

903
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: We're going to make it so they don't really have

904
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: a say, so they don't really count in the future.

905
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: And you know, all of these escalatory steps which are

906
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 2: intentional provocative, which every time you see these raids, they

907
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 2: got camera guys fallen behind, so they can publish them,

908
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: so they can further inflame and advertise their you know,

909
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: fascist tactics, so that every time they do that, they

910
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: are courting this broader confrontation that will allow them to

911
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: grab even more power. And I just don't think it's

912
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 2: deniable at this point that that's the plan, because they're

913
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 2: already well along the plan. I mean they practically announce

914
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 2: it out loud. So that's what we're in the midst of.

915
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: And what I struggle with is is articulating both the

916
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 2: grave seriousness of that, where he truly you know, we

917
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 2: are already in a different country than we were before

918
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: Trump two point zero came into office, like we'd been

919
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: sliding in this struction, but now we are in a

920
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 2: different country than we were previously. That is a very

921
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 2: grave situation. And then also a bunch of these people

922
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: are like utterly clownish buffoons. You know, the National Guard

923
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: Meal Team six is like a perfect example of this,

924
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: or you know RFK up there like oh, you know, circumcision,

925
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: I'm dialing and autism whatever. So it's it can be

926
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 2: hard to wrap your hat around people who are idiots

927
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: and clowns, but who also are id logues and are

928
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: are very effectively implementing an extreme and radical plan to

929
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: turn this country into something that it was not previously.

930
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 8: Yes, there's been a lot of crackdowns, and Trump actually

931
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 8: name check DSA as one of the groups that he

932
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 8: is going to be looking to as well. And yet

933
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:33,399
Speaker 8: it does seem like they are trying to define what

934
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 8: Antifa means and who Antifa is still, which I think

935
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 8: leads us perfectly to our final segment.

936
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 11: We want to get on the public half here.

937
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 4: We should.

938
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, we should get some like like

939
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 7: Juli or ended Note to come on and debate Antifa.

940
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: We'll, we'll, we'll set.

941
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 4: Something like that.

942
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 11: Let's get it. That sounds like an after party booking.

943
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 11: I love it. Let's do it. Let's get let's get

944
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 11: him on here. All right.

945
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 8: Well, I think this leads us perfectly to our last segment.

946
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 8: Really important here about Jesse Waters and Antifa. Yes, Crystal,

947
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 8: I'm gonna pull this up if you can break it down.

948
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you have these?

949
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 2: So he's he's accused Jesse Waters of he he likes

950
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: to use these masked guests, and so we had one here.

951
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: The most recent is like some Antifa guy. That's the

952
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: one on top who looks remarkably similar to a previous

953
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,600
Speaker 2: mass guests who he had who was supposedly like a

954
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 2: Mexican cartel member or something like that.

955
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 11: Members.

956
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: It looks remarkably similar to this guy on the bottom

957
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 2: who I don't know. Was this guy supposed to be

958
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: like Hamas or something like that.

959
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 5: You know, it's like it's.

960
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 7: Always sunny, the gang goes jihad.

961
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 5: That's what this looks like.

962
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 3: That bottom one.

963
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 2: It looks like almost like a filter that not even

964
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 2: like real things that anyway, people are noticing that this

965
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: character appears to be the same character if you listen

966
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: to them, they sound similar, they have the same mannerisms.

967
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 2: People are speculating that it might be this, you know,

968
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 2: this Robert O'Neil guy. I don't know if that's true.

969
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 2: They actually denied it. They Fox News did deny that

970
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: it was Robert O'Neill.

971
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 11: Nevertheless, we're not claiming that either on the show.

972
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 5: It doesn't look like him, yes, but yeah no, we're

973
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 5: not claiming that.

974
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,399
Speaker 3: Oh I really I do think it looks like him.

975
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 8: Crystal, We're not claiming it. We don't know. We this

976
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 8: is all as far as we know on the record.

977
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 8: These are all different guys. Let's take a quick listen

978
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 8: to them.

979
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 14: So recruiting, working with youth, getting uh, you know, and

980
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 14: just going out spitting out the message, and the thing

981
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 14: is too you know a lot of people get into

982
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 14: it because that.

983
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 15: I kind of laugh when I saw two things. I

984
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 15: saw that he had allegedly stated that one of his

985
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 15: motives or reasons was to support Black Lives matter at.

986
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 4: About ninth grade or so.

987
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 14: Get on a few years growing up in Seattle, we

988
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 14: had those the riots in ninety nine.

989
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 8: All right, So those are all the different gentlemen that

990
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 8: Jesse has had on the show recently.

991
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: People really called him riots.

992
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 5: Don't don't.

993
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 8: Don't tell me, uh that that looks similar. So Crystal,

994
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 8: I was able to.

995
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was able to get I did a little

996
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: bit of you know, of investigative journalism here, guys, and

997
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk to someone who's known Jesse for

998
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: a long time, who could speak to his character and

999
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: whether or not he would be the sort of person

1000
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: who would you know, put the same guy on TV

1001
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 2: three times in three different bandanas and claim he was

1002
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 2: totally different people and you know, try to sell this

1003
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: to the public.

1004
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 3: So you go ahead, you.

1005
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 5: Pre taped, you pre taped this, and Ryan and I

1006
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 5: am not. We have not seen this.

1007
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 4: We're you told us about it. We're excited.

1008
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 11: Ye.

1009
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So so let's go ahead, Griffin, if you can

1010
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 2: pull up this interview I was able to get with

1011
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: Jesse Waters frat brother, who also happens now very well

1012
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: relevantly to be the Grand Dragon of the ANTIFA Global

1013
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: g Hot Network and also serves as Gavin Newsom's comms director.

1014
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: So a lot that he brings to the table here,

1015
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,240
Speaker 2: quite a noteworthy guest, Griffin, if you could go ahead

1016
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 2: and play this joining us now we have Jesse Waters,

1017
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: former frat brother. He now serves as Grand Dragon for

1018
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: the ANTIFA Global g HOD Network and also as Gavin

1019
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 2: Nussm's comms director. From an own, undisclosed location for the

1020
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 2: purposes of this interview, we'll call you, let's say, Lyle.

1021
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

1022
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 5: Lyle, Hey, thanks for having me.

1023
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, anything you could tell us about Jesse,

1024
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 2: his character, what he was like when you knew him in.

1025
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 16: College, Yeah, he was a terrible guy, chronic liar, smelled

1026
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 16: really bad, he's smug, full of himself. Me and him

1027
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,879
Speaker 16: actually played Division ie botchie ball together, and the team

1028
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 16: had a nickname for him. We called him Tadpole because

1029
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 16: when we saw him in the shower, me and the

1030
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 16: guys were a damn that guy's hung like a tadpole.

1031
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 3: Wow. That's uh, that's a lot of information.

1032
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 2: That's That's maybe more than what I was really looking for,

1033
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: But I appreciate that the disclosure. Anything that stood out

1034
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 2: to you about him, anything that was like odd or

1035
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 2: weird that he did in college that might inform our

1036
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: understanding of who he is today.

1037
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 16: Well, I mean, there was that time he cheated on

1038
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,880
Speaker 16: his girlfriend with Bill O'Reilly. That's how he got the

1039
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 16: spot on the show. They used to rub falafels all

1040
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 16: over each other. O'reiley was into that.

1041
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, I've heard that actually before.

1042
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 2: I had heard something about that previously, So that does

1043
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: add up with some of the information that's already publicly

1044
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: on the record. I guess my final question for you,

1045
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: Lyle is just what do you think of this new

1046
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: scandal that he's embroiled in. He stands accused of having

1047
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: phony people come on the show pretend to be people

1048
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: that they are not. Whatsoever. You know, what do you

1049
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,919
Speaker 2: think of the type of person who would do such

1050
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 2: a thing.

1051
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 16: I'm that's it's that's disgusting, frankly. I mean I think

1052
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 16: it should probably it should be at least a mistivean

1053
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 16: it should probably be a felony, if you ask me,

1054
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 16: I think probably at least twenty years in prison if

1055
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 16: you do something like that.

1056
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 11: I don't know, I don't know.

1057
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty disgusting. I'd be disgusting. I all agree with that.

1058
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: All right, Well, thank you for that information, while and

1059
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: good good luck with the with the terror network. I

1060
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 2: hope you hope you you know, do well there of

1061
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: a the authorities or whatever you're up to.

1062
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 5: Thanks Greving.

1063
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 8: Okay, I have to say, as the producer, you know

1064
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 8: I haven't fact checked any of this.

1065
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 6: Well, that was a very risky interview because if there

1066
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 6: are not many comms people for Gavin newsom so, I

1067
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 6: think that our viewers are probably going to be able

1068
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,279
Speaker 6: to narrow down the identity. Do not docs of that,

1069
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 6: do not do not docs? Uh, because you know, this

1070
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 6: is somebody who took a personal risk to come out

1071
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 6: and in the public interest to reveal what he knows.

1072
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would discourage people lived has lived experience.

1073
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it was brave.

1074
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: But I told Lyle, I told Lyle how brave it

1075
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 2: was of him to come toward in that way.

1076
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 3: I will, I will.

1077
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: Used a voice distorder.

1078
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 6: I know, he used like an AI voice distorder to

1079
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 6: make him sound like somebody were all familiar with.

1080
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 4: That was very close, just to throw.

1081
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: People off, just to throw people off the scent, you know.

1082
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 7: But you know what, it is important for responsible journalists

1083
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 7: to vet their sources and to to vet the people

1084
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 7: who are coming on the air to shed some light

1085
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 7: on these important questions about public affairs. And so that

1086
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 7: was crystal. I think that was excellent. Maybe Nobel Peace

1087
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 7: price worthy. Yeah, I mean at least.

1088
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 2: I spent a lot of time with this individual before

1089
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 2: the interview. I can tell a lot, like an extraordinary

1090
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: amount of time with this individual before then. I certainly

1091
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 2: did my homework. I mean I would, Yeah, absolutely, I would.

1092
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 5: I would.

1093
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 3: I trust him on that level. That's how that's how

1094
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: did you.

1095
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 5: Equipment? Do you think you would let him sure your

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Speaker 5: streaming equipment?

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Speaker 7: Like could you ever show like a microphone, has beautiful eyes, share.

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Speaker 3: My streaming equipment later.

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Speaker 8: He is a he has a striking beautiful eyes. And

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Speaker 8: I did reach out to Jesse Waters a request for

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Speaker 8: comment on the tadpole issue. They responded saying that he

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Speaker 8: is a grower, not a shower, so I think in general,

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Speaker 8: so I just wanted to say we covered all of

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Speaker 8: our bases here. But again, if there are lawsuits, I

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Speaker 8: was not involved with the segment anyways, Thank you did

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Speaker 8: the Grand Dragon, Gavin Newso watch out.

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Speaker 11: You can't be this affiliated with these types of characters.

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Speaker 4: It's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice.

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Speaker 5: Good a beautiful, beautiful journalism.

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Speaker 8: Well, on that note, after that Pultzer winning piece of

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Speaker 8: journal journalism, we're gonna move on to the second half

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Speaker 8: of the show. We'll be doing other other segments with

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Speaker 8: the Grand Dragon. So Breakingpoints dot Com if you want

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Speaker 8: to see that, if you want to be like if

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Speaker 8: you journalists, if you want to support.

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Speaker 11: More interviews like that, Breakingpoints dot.

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Speaker 8: Com, we can do that once a week if we

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Speaker 8: want to.

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Speaker 11: Heah, that guy's available.

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Speaker 2: That's right, right's not the only one out here with sources,

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Speaker 2: you know, doing hard protection.

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Speaker 11: Okay, and we'll see you all in that second half

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Speaker 11: in just a second