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Speaker 2: See all those people running out there but taking their

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Speaker 2: Kerry Rhoads Week twelve in the NFL, providing us drama

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Speaker 2: in Dallas, a miserable afternoon for one quarterback in title town.

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Speaker 2: But we start in Sin City where Shador Sanders and

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Speaker 2: the Browns get a victory, his first career win as

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Speaker 2: an NFL quarterback. And now all people can talk about

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Speaker 2: is Shador Sanders. Wait did he play yesterday? Sure did?

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Speaker 2: Saw a whole ordeal from Las Vegas and we Carrie

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Speaker 2: was so involved in this game, not for Shador, and

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Speaker 2: this is the bigger point. Carrie wanted to know if

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Speaker 2: the Browns would have more sacks than the Raiders actually

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Speaker 2: had points. I did right? Was that was the competition?

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Speaker 2: Was the final? But that tells the whole story, But

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Speaker 2: the story continues to be about Shador Sanders and the

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Speaker 2: talking heads that supported Shador Sanders and felt he should

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Speaker 2: have been a first round pick and should have been

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Speaker 2: starting a long, long time ago. They are the ones

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Speaker 2: who are running around the track right now with their flags,

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Speaker 2: with their banners, we told you so, We told you so,

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Speaker 2: and Carrie, the race is not over yet. In fact,

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Speaker 2: the race is just begun. And the reason that I

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Speaker 2: have the problem with the victory laps that people are taking.

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Speaker 2: You could take a win or there's nothing wrong with that,

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Speaker 2: nothing wrong with hey, I'll take that win today, I'll

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Speaker 2: grab that. It's the fact that they think that this

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Speaker 2: is over and the fact that Shador Sanders, even as

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Speaker 2: now the starting quarterback of the Cleveland Browns, as Kevin

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Speaker 2: Stefanski made the announcement today, everything that is led up

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Speaker 2: to this point has really been Shador doing it to himself.

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Speaker 2: And you may say that the Cleveland Browns are the

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Speaker 2: ones who were blocking should Or Sanders in getting an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to be a starting quarterback. Shoudor turned down an

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Speaker 2: opportunity to be drafted by the Baltimore Ravens. You know why,

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Speaker 2: because they felt he had a better opportunity to start

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Speaker 2: somewhere else. And I'm sorry, I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: Raiders are an NFL caliber team outside of Max Crosby

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Speaker 2: right now. So taking a victory lap over a team

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Speaker 2: that has fired sixty seven percent of their coordinators within

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Speaker 2: the last month, I'm sorry. I am just not cashing

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Speaker 2: all of my chips in right now. If I am

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Speaker 3: Dan, you're right, but don't leave out bruck Bowers. He's

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Speaker 3: the NFL guy as well.

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Speaker 2: That's true or not.

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Speaker 3: We got they got, they got. They got two exciting

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Speaker 3: whites is what they call. That's what they call the Lakers,

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Speaker 3: the Lakers trio of La Rabia, Reeves and uh Luca.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, no, when it comes back to this, you

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Speaker 3: know how it is, man, it's I mean, everybody's been

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Speaker 3: waiting for this moment. I think even you know you

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Speaker 3: said the victory lap guys have been waiting on this moment.

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Speaker 3: I also think the naysayers have been waiting on this

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Speaker 3: moment as well, right So if he was not to

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Speaker 3: win that game yesterday or have a terrible performance, they

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Speaker 2: So you know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's one of those things where we do

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Speaker 3: it a lot, and I do it. I do it

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Speaker 3: a lot as well. Like I told you, so I

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Speaker 3: did that thing, I made that pick. I think this

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Speaker 3: gonna slight them that way. I'm gonna let them have

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Speaker 3: their moment. But like you said, this is just a start,

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Speaker 3: and they played a terrible team, so let's not. Let's

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Speaker 3: not have the conclusion that he's an NFL start and

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Speaker 2: What I want just a little bit. H Kenny Loggins,

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Speaker 2: the Great Kenny Loggins had a song called mean Me

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Speaker 2: half You know that song. Yes, it's a great song.

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Speaker 2: Kenny's great. Yes, meet me halfway. You don't even have

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Speaker 2: that's what I just wanted Shador Sanders to do, is

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Speaker 2: just just be a rookie, be someone who's learning, have

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Speaker 2: And you thought maybe because he had the last laugh

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Speaker 2: be the case, judge for yourself. Chador was CBS after the.

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Speaker 4: Win, when it is crazy, it's amazing, you know, off

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Speaker 2: So Shador now has not only imagine what I could

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Speaker 2: do if the coach has actually cared about me. He said,

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Speaker 2: imagine what I'm gonna do when I'm the Browns starting

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Speaker 2: There's there's no meet me halfway. There is no step

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Speaker 2: this is you can take your victory laps. And we

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Speaker 2: taking over for Dylan Gabriel. It's just meet us halfway

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Speaker 2: take a step in that direction. We have to meet

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Speaker 2: in the middle at some point. Yesterday was a great

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Speaker 2: moment for the Cleveland Browns in winning an NFL game,

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Speaker 2: led by their defense that had ten secs. Yes, yes

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not gonna go that far, but I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: say this, the one person that shouldn't be taking the

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Speaker 3: victory lap is the guy that just took a victory lap.

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Speaker 3: In that sound bite for him, a lot of the

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Speaker 2: So as good as he was in moments.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday, as in control as he looked for the most

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Speaker 3: that is impressive. But he doesn't have to let everybody

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Speaker 2: You got to be even killed as a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You can show your emotions on the field, you can

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Speaker 3: fire your guys up. There are different ways to lead

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Speaker 3: a team. Don't come out and take don't come out

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Speaker 3: and take a victory lap. You're showing up the coaches.

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Speaker 3: You're showing up the GM all these people that already

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Speaker 3: came out early and said, you know, you know, this

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Speaker 3: And now that you got a chance, the thing you

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Speaker 3: but us two, everybody hears it.

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Speaker 2: I also think that there's a point where you've played this,

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Speaker 2: where you've played the game where people were talking about

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Speaker 2: the Jets or the Cardinals during your time there, and

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Speaker 2: the public has no idea what's actually going on by

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Speaker 2: there's a reality that Kevin Stefanski is dealing with We're

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Speaker 2: going to get to his locker room speech, which I'm

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Speaker 2: very curious to hear what you had to say. But first,

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Speaker 2: this was Kevin Stefanski following Shador's performance after yesterday's win

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Speaker 2: in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 5: You saw a lot of what Schador does well on

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Speaker 5: the field today, athlety to make that play off schedule

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Speaker 5: when we were outmanned, and protection get the ball down

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Speaker 5: There's a lot that he's working on, which is what

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Speaker 2: I want to get better, so I praise and talking

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Speaker 2: but it took him a day. This is something that

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Speaker 2: our executive producer, Jason Stewart had wondered about of why

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Speaker 2: a delay? Why did you not hear what we heard today? Jason?

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Speaker 2: Is that fair enough to say? Is now Dylan Gabriel's

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Speaker 2: Are you wondering why there was a delay in that announcement? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I think Stefanski has handled this whole thing wrong, like

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Speaker 6: he's got a lot of people in his ear. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: because today you have twenty four hours sitting on it

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Speaker 3: I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why, Jason. Number one,

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Speaker 3: you don't want to make anybody bigger than anybody in

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Speaker 3: the locker room and all that stuff. I can understand it.

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Speaker 3: And also he still has to evaluate how he played.

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Speaker 3: Now you saw it in real time, and as a

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Speaker 3: see the tape and see if he's going through the

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Speaker 3: Obviously operations in the game it looks that way, but

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Speaker 3: they are little minutia things that happens as a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: can understand why it wasn't yesterday. I'm not, as I guess,

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Speaker 2: But I'll say this, you also have to tell Dylan

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Speaker 2: Gabriel that you're not the starter anymore. Yes, So, like

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Speaker 2: there's a conversation that he can't just come in, well

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Speaker 2: I want a great wing, guys, like we found a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You know, like you can't you can't do that as

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Speaker 2: a head coach. But there is friction, and I think

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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski, in the way that he praised shador in

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Speaker 2: talking postgame is a step towards Shadoor. And you guys

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Speaker 2: may be right that the Stefanski hasn't hasn't handled this correctly,

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Speaker 2: save his job. There were other reasons to move on

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Speaker 3: A whole lot left. Man, This thing is just the beginning.

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Speaker 6: Isn't that comment? And I want to hear it again too,

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Speaker 3: The practice thing and when.

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Speaker 2: An What an opportune time to throw your coach under

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Speaker 3: And Dan the thing about the NFL everybody talks, and

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Speaker 2: It is not. Really hasn't done much, but your defense

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Speaker 8: What did you love?

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Dan. I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 6: I want the Chiefs to go to the playoffs and lose.

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Speaker 2: Man, the fact that he loved that, well, I think

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Speaker 6: I needed to I need him to feel it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: get I get that. And the point that I used

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Speaker 2: was the Patriots losing to the Titans, Tom Brady throwing

435
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Speaker 2: an interception that has brought back for a five yard

436
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Speaker 2: pick six, ending the dynasty was there was a conclusion

437
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Speaker 2: to that. It wasn't this empty feeling. And I think

438
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Speaker 2: that there's you know, even when you look at the

439
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Speaker 2: Bulls Championships of when they won three and then it ended,

440
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Speaker 2: there was no opportunity to cancel them out. Even in

441
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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five when Jordan returned, like they got they

442
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Speaker 2: were beaten by the Magic in the conference semi finals.

443
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Speaker 2: But we never looked back and say, look at that

444
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Speaker 2: Orlando knocked them out in ninety five. We never ever

445
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Speaker 2: talk about a Jordan fail because he returned in March

446
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Speaker 2: of that year.

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Speaker 10: I got one more thing quickly, Were you guys concerned

448
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Speaker 10: it all with the Chiefs performance where they had almost

449
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Speaker 10: five hundred yards offense, they had what thirty three first downs? Yes,

450
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Speaker 10: but they only had one touchdown. Yeah, they kicked a

451
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Speaker 10: lot of field goals, so I don't know when they

452
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Speaker 10: get to the postseason, maybe you're a little alarmed by that.

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Speaker 2: I am god No, I said it yesterday with Kerry.

454
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Speaker 2: They completely dominated and needed to kick a field goal

455
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Speaker 2: in overtime to win it at the end. I don't

456
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Speaker 2: think that that's a great thing for Kansas City. Yes, Sam,

457
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Speaker 2: they're not a great team. They don't have weapons on

458
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Speaker 2: the outside that can win one on one, so everything's

459
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Speaker 2: compacted in the middle. They're relying on a lot of

460
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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes magic in those little in between game, but

461
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: they don't have a guy on the outside that can

462
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Speaker 2: win when they need to win.

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Speaker 3: Carry what you love from the weekend, man, I love

464
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Speaker 3: from the weekend. So I ended up having a performance

465
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Speaker 3: on Friday. I thought I was going to do a

466
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Speaker 3: sound check and have, you know, just test the waters

467
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Speaker 3: and check out a new venue called the Phoenix. It's

468
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Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills, And so I ended up performing and

469
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Speaker 3: ended up having a real nice crowd and had a

470
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Speaker 3: really good time. So it was an amazing Friday for me.

471
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Speaker 3: Really late.

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Speaker 2: I was tired.

473
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Speaker 3: Around ten, but I pushed through and now I made

474
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Speaker 3: it. It was a good moment, good good, good.

475
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Speaker 2: Theres do better at eight pm. Oh for those all

476
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Speaker 2: the time. Yes, the Phoenix. What kind of a place

477
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Speaker 2: is this? What's it?

478
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Speaker 3: It's like a I guess it's like a bar. They're

479
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Speaker 3: trying to change it to a venue. They have outside

480
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Speaker 3: and inside, nice food, nice drinks, and you know, I

481
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Speaker 3: did it early, and so the first performance was kind

482
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Speaker 3: of like it was just a few people there and

483
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Speaker 3: the DJ was like, no, they come around ten. Was

484
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Speaker 3: like ten, I'm going home. But I stayed performed and man,

485
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Speaker 3: had a really had a great time.

486
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Speaker 10: Now do you get up really early or do you

487
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Speaker 10: like sleep like twelve hours?

488
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Speaker 2: Oh no, No, I get up super early. Okay, Like my

489
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: dad does it. He goes a bet at like eight o'clock.

490
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Speaker 10: Weeks up at like five thirty with no alarm, alarm,

491
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Speaker 10: just naturally gets up.

492
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Speaker 2: He's had enough sleep. Yeah. I've texted Carrie like eight

493
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Speaker 2: forty five at night and then at four forty two

494
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Speaker 2: in the morning on my phone, ding ding, Isaac long

495
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Speaker 2: Kraw what'd you love from the weekend?

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Speaker 11: I loved that Justin Herbert was not sacked and was

497
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Speaker 11: not hit all weekend for once. Of course, it was

498
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Speaker 11: because the Chargers were on their bye week.

499
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Speaker 2: He was he was was that a gong? Do we

500
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Speaker 2: have a gong at our studio with the brick?

501
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Speaker 11: That's right?

502
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Speaker 2: That was very gongish.

503
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Speaker 11: Was justin Herbert getting hit.

504
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Speaker 2: I did see him in another social media post with

505
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Speaker 2: his girlfriend and like, this is this is the new

506
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Speaker 2: Herbert two point zero.

507
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Speaker 11: He was up in Oregon and he looked really mellow.

508
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Speaker 2: Iowa, Sam, would you love from the weekend.

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Speaker 10: There was a lot to love this weekend, but I'm

510
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Speaker 10: going to focus on one little thing that I watched

511
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Speaker 10: on Sunday Night Football. Oh, Sunday Night Football. This is

512
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Speaker 10: from the NBC broadcast. They were cheer. They were giving

513
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Speaker 10: cheers to Chris Collinsworth for his five hundredth game broadcast.

514
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Speaker 10: He started in nineteen ninety September of nineteen ninety, so

515
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Speaker 10: he's been at at this for thirty five years.

516
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Speaker 2: Wow.

517
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Speaker 10: Lots of nice tributes to Chris Collinsworth, Joe Buck, Troy Aikman,

518
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Speaker 10: several others, and then the legend Al Michaels gives his

519
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Speaker 10: little toast and this is how it went.

520
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Speaker 9: Thirteen seasons, two hundred and sixty three games for Super Bowls,

521
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Speaker 9: A total blast. I want to congratulate you on five

522
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Speaker 9: hundred games, and he and my friend to five hundred more.

523
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Speaker 10: Five hundred more would put would put Chris Collinsworth at

524
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Speaker 10: one hundred and one years old, sixty six he started

525
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Speaker 10: he was thirty one. Oh my god, I love the

526
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Speaker 10: like al Michaels is a legend. He's just doing his

527
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Speaker 10: job and he's trying to get you know, one day

528
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Speaker 10: to the next. But it's like saying, here's the fifty

529
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Speaker 10: years of marriage and fifty more that's not gonna happen.

530
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Speaker 10: So I was just like, you know, al Michaels, your

531
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Speaker 10: heart was in the right place, but there won't be

532
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Speaker 10: a thousand game broadcasts.

533
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Speaker 2: It just won't happen. Like damn took that literally, Yes, But.

534
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Speaker 10: I mean it's it's just one of those things you're

535
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Speaker 10: like and you really think about the end of that,

536
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Speaker 10: you know, at a five hundred more, Like I just

537
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Speaker 10: I don't know. I love al Michaels, but that wasn't

538
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Speaker 10: very sincere.

539
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Speaker 2: The reason I look at myself last was because I

540
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 2: wanted to do a combo. Oh yes, but the hate

541
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Speaker 2: of mine had to go first before I got to

542
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Speaker 2: the love. So I hated what John morant Oh had

543
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Speaker 2: to say to Clay Thompson calling him a bum. Calling

544
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Speaker 2: Clay Thompson a bum after a meaningless November basketball game

545
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: that Ja Morant didn't play in. Yeah, but Clay Thompson

546
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: doesn't need me to stick up for him to take

547
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 2: down Ja Morant. He doesn't need you. What I loved

548
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 2: was sixty seconds of Klay Thompson absolutely undressing Jahn Morant's

549
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 2: entire professional basketball career after their game on Saturday.

550
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Speaker 12: He's a funny guy. He has a lot to say

551
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 12: all the time, especially for a guy who rarely takes accountability.

552
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 12: But uh, you know what, that's for another day.

553
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Speaker 2: What did you have to say that on this occasion.

554
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 12: Nothing of intelligent depth, just running his mouth. He's running

555
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 12: his mouth for a long time. It's funny to run

556
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 12: your mouth when you're on the bench. It's kind of

557
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 12: the story of his career so far, just leaving us

558
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 12: ont more. You know, we all want to see him

559
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 12: out there and do his best, but he's just been

560
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 12: letting a lot of other stuff getting away of that,

561
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Speaker 12: and we need that in the NBA. We need our

562
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 12: best players in the out there, and when you're a star,

563
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Speaker 12: comes to the great responsibility. I hate to see that

564
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Speaker 12: go to waste.

565
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Speaker 2: M I loved it, absolutely magnificent sixty seconds of audio

566
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Speaker 2: calling John Morant's words basically empty, effectatively saying that the

567
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 2: cur has been a waste so far if you're being

568
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 2: one of the NBA superstars, and to be able to

569
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Speaker 2: handle that situation, by the way, Clay sticking up for

570
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 2: Cooper flag yep, in situations where no other Mavericks players

571
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: are Like, if you didn't already love Klay Thompson, you

572
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: should now for what he just did. And that was

573
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: put John Morant in a verbal body bag.

574
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Speaker 3: So it was the picture of John Morant on the

575
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Speaker 3: screen and underneath in the caps, and it said unintelligible.

576
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Speaker 11: Hey guys, is it me or did it seem that

577
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 11: Clay Thompson had had that saved in his drafts folder

578
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Speaker 11: for a while, if I can put it that way.

579
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Speaker 3: Yes, because you know, Methods and Golden State had a

580
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: lot of you know, weird interactions in their playoff history

581
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Speaker 3: as well, And so I'm I'm on board with you,

582
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Speaker 3: Dan I John Morant is so overrated to me, and

583
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: he is and the concept of who he is as

584
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 3: a person as a basketball player is way above what

585
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: really is that it's really the deal.

586
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Speaker 2: He had an opportunity to be this magnificent star in

587
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: the NBA. Yeah, the story was great Murray State having

588
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 2: his athleticism, which, by the way, is gonna go by

589
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: very very quickly if you continue to be injured like

590
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 2: he is all the time, He's gonna learn the reality

591
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: really fast. And I think when you're gonna look back

592
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: on it, Yeah, what a waste of what could have been.

593
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: And then they have that attitude to take one of

594
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Speaker 2: your greates and call him a bum to his face

595
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 2: while you're sitting there in a Nike tracksuit, like get

596
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: out of here with that jazz.

597
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Speaker 3: And about to be traded or whatever, Like it's just

598
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Speaker 3: not a it's not a happy place to be jahm

599
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: and Wrahtt needs to he just needs to shut up.

600
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Speaker 2: That's what he needs to do. That was my love

601
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Speaker 2: from the weekend.

602
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Speaker 6: I love the fact that he went after him for

603
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 6: lacking depth. It's like, if you're going to be a

604
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 6: heel as be imaginative and like we all work with

605
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 6: these people at work that have nothing under the surface.

606
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 6: And you could tell the level of contempt that Clay

607
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 6: Thompson has for someone who isn't interesting. If you're going

608
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Speaker 6: to be a thorn in my you know whatever, in

609
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 6: my side, at least be imaginative or interesting.

610
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Speaker 2: You're neither. You're just nothing. Clay Thompson came back from

611
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: two extremely serious injuries, costing himself two years of his career,

612
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: right and he's playing more than John Morantes right now.

613
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Speaker 2: It's it's ridiculous.

614
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Speaker 3: And that guy he's talking about that's a bum is

615
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: a top seventy five player all time, and yeah, yeah,

616
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Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense.

617
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Speaker 2: Kudos to Klay Thompson. All right, what you hate from

618
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Speaker 2: the weekend, Let's go to our resident welled critic, Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 6: Well, I hated that. I so for a context all

620
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Speaker 6: of our listeners can relate to this. I get into

621
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Speaker 6: a fantasy league every year that's a little out of

622
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 6: my budget. I take a chance it's a little too

623
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 6: much that I shouldn't be spending this much. And I

624
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 6: went ahead and I chose Jamar Chase with the first

625
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Speaker 6: overall pick instead of Robinson. Okay, Jamar Chase, I'm on

626
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 6: the playoff bubble in this league that I can't afford.

627
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 6: Jamar Chase made a decision that got him suspended for

628
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Speaker 6: yesterday's game. As I'm on my playoff bubble and I

629
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 6: got my ass kicked in my fantasy league, and I

630
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 6: was complaining to Dan all week last week that we

631
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Speaker 6: had yet to see any kind of acknowledgment, accountability, or

632
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 6: an apology from Jamar Chase. He just wrote one. He

633
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 6: just wrote one today, guys. He apologizes to his teammates,

634
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 6: to the Steelers and the fan base. I don't see

635
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 6: anywhere in here where it says Jason Stewart or taking

636
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 6: me first overall, or any of my fantasy owners who

637
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,959
Speaker 6: wasted their top pick on me. Not one acknowledgment. So

638
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 6: I hate that, Jamar Chase. It took you seven days

639
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 6: to read an apology that your agent obviously wrote for you.

640
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 6: Jalen Carter, who is not a mensa, but somebody got

641
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 6: into his ear the game after he did the spitting

642
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 6: incident and was apologizing to everybody involved before anyone could

643
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Speaker 6: get out of the locker room. It took Jamar Chase,

644
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Speaker 6: a veteran who gets paid fifty million dollars a year,

645
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 6: to read an agent prepared apology seven days after the fact,

646
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Speaker 6: after telling everybody that he never spit on the guy.

647
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Speaker 2: I think you're part of NFL community. I think that

648
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: you are. I don't think he's talking about just employees.

649
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 2: I know you're not a fan, I know you're not

650
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 2: on his team, and I know you're not a member

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Speaker 2: of the Bengals or Steelers organization. But NFL community I

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Speaker 2: think is you. I think it's population US. So I

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Speaker 2: way too vague. Yeah, I think that that fits. But

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Speaker 2: by the way, Jamar Chase is gonna have to carry

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Speaker 2: quite a load because t Higgins got a concussion yesterday

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Speaker 2: against the Patriots, and to think that he's going to

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Speaker 2: come back and play Thursday against the Ravens probably along

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Speaker 2: it's too late. I'm out of my playoff. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Isaac g Loring craw what you hate from the Weekend?

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Speaker 11: I hate it because of its implications for the future

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Speaker 11: of humanity. But at the same time, I kind of

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Speaker 11: love it because I think it's hilarious. Have you guys

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Speaker 11: heard of a website called the Onion?

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Speaker 2: Are you serious?

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Speaker 11: I was kind of being I was kind of being onion, asked.

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Speaker 10: By Onion Fashion right there.

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Speaker 11: So anyway, the Detroit Lions have a rookie offensive lineman

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Speaker 11: named Tate Rattledge and The Onion posted an item over

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Speaker 11: the weekend, Detroit Lions rookie asks for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 6: Off it uh.

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Speaker 11: Purportedly quoted him saying, I know we have a game schedule,

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Speaker 11: but my family has this big tradition where we all

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Speaker 11: get together on Thanksgiving and have a feast and watch football.

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Speaker 11: Plus my mom said she's making pumpkin pie just for me.

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Speaker 11: It's my favorite.

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Speaker 2: Unquote.

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Speaker 11: A lot of people thought that was actually real on

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Speaker 11: social media, and rat Lich told reporters that he was

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Speaker 11: bombarded by messages from people that he knew thinking that

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Speaker 11: was real, and an additional Lions team employee told him

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Speaker 11: that someone actually called a local Detroit Lion a local

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Speaker 11: Detroit radio station to complain that he had asked for Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Amazing, just so great. But I saw I read the

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Speaker 2: post first or heard about it, and then I knew

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Speaker 2: exactly exactly how it looked, how The Onion did it

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Speaker 2: in their presentation magnificent.

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Speaker 10: Thirty five years later or so, and people don't still

688
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Speaker 10: don't know The Onion is just satire. Oh it's the best, Sam,

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Speaker 10: what'd you hate from the weekend? Well, this is more

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Speaker 10: of a I guess a lament than a hate. This

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Speaker 10: is love and lament. But my cousin Henry played quarterback

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Speaker 10: for the Van Meter Bulldogs and their quest for a

693
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Speaker 10: state championship came to a screeching hault last Friday. Unfortunately

694
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Speaker 10: it was uh oh, Henry, oh, thank you very much.

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Speaker 10: Henry played against a team called Kemper Catholic and they

696
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Speaker 10: were undefeated and they lost in that title game twenty

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Speaker 10: eight to seven Friday morning. But they were just out man.

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Speaker 10: Henry had to play quarterback, cornerback, punt and kick and

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Speaker 10: he played tough. He took a couple of sacks. He

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Speaker 10: was tough though. And All American linebacker Pat Anger, who

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Speaker 10: was doing the color commentary for this game. He's also

702
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Speaker 10: IOWA Football's color commentary guy. He had some nice words

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Speaker 10: for Henry here towards the in the waiting seconds of

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Speaker 10: the game.

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Speaker 2: Ailesbury has been extremely tough all game. He has been

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Speaker 2: tremendous with his arm, with his legs. He's done a

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Speaker 2: really great job fighting for this Van Meter team and

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Speaker 2: them in this ball game. So there you go.

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Speaker 3: So Henry has a He's definitely on the top of

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Speaker 3: the list as far as the punt passing, kick competition.

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Speaker 10: So he man, he covered it all. Great soccer player too.

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Speaker 10: But Van Meter is very proud athletics tradition and they've

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Speaker 10: won it a couple of times over the years, but

714
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Speaker 10: just didn't have enough have enough horses against you.

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Speaker 2: Is this the first year hearing of this, this outcome?

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Speaker 2: Is this the first that you've heard of it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he didn't take it to the group text on

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Speaker 6: Saturdays that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I I was, I was flipping through and I

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Speaker 2: saw CNN and they said Van Meter expired, and so

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Speaker 2: I knew that they ran out of time in the end. Expired. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was the breaking news headline.

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Speaker 10: It's very very clever there. Uh, thank you, thanks well,

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Speaker 10: thank you CNN, CNN, Thank you CNN, and thank you Dan.

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Speaker 10: But very proud of Henry and his bulldogs. They just

726
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Speaker 10: a good job, Hank, Good job, Hank, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: And carry you get the last word. What'd you hate

728
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Speaker 2: from the weekend. I'm hating Lane Kippen.

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, Yeah, I'm hating that he's on the team right

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Speaker 3: now that has that's probably going to be in the

731
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Speaker 3: college playoff, has a chance to win the national championship,

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Speaker 3: and he's negotiating with a team in the same in

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Speaker 3: the same conference, in the SEC that hasn't want anything.

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Speaker 3: And you know, obviously money comes into play, and that's

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Speaker 3: that's what makes our world go around these days. But

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Speaker 3: how about sticking with the kids that you brought up

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Speaker 3: and actually went through the fire with and win a

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Speaker 3: championship there. I mean, they've treated him well, he's he's

739
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Speaker 3: been well received in Mississippi and so the fact that

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Speaker 3: he's right now solidifying closing the deal with the in

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Speaker 3: conference team is just asinine to me.

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Speaker 2: The business of college football. Oh, Dan, I hate it

743
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Speaker 2: so much erin Torres that I were in last week

744
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Speaker 2: talking about this and the statement came out like at

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Speaker 2: the end of the show, and when I read the

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Speaker 2: statement that the decision was going to be made the

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Speaker 2: next day after the Egg Bowl, I immediate I said, oh,

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Speaker 2: Lane can stay on and you can take the job

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Speaker 2: after the season, and that is just not possible anymore.

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Speaker 2: A completely shot down my argument, just like that. I

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Speaker 2: they should be Mississippi State, right, but it could get

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy is in concussion protocol. A report say that

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Speaker 2: McCarthy showed symptoms of a concussion on the flight home,

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Speaker 2: and I just tweeted that flights forty minutes from Green

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Speaker 2: Bay to Minnesota, you're just shooting over Wisconsin. That's what

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Speaker 2: it is that maybe forty five max. But so in

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Speaker 2: that short of time he showed symptoms and maybe a

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Speaker 2: much bigger issue for Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the symptoms where he sucked. Yeah, it's those are

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Speaker 3: the symptoms.

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Speaker 7: J J.

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Speaker 3: McCarthy has a long way to go, and for them

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Speaker 3: to fully invest in him to be their guy without

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Speaker 3: seeing him play any games is just crazy. And to

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Speaker 3: not have I mean, they went out and got Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 3: who's been fine, but to let the guy that they

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Speaker 3: had in the building walk to go to Seattle your

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Speaker 3: team after what he did last year is just I

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Speaker 3: just I don't get it at all. And then even

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Speaker 3: I know Aaron Rodgers wanted to go there at some

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Speaker 3: point this it would have been the perfect It would

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Speaker 3: have been the perfect thing to allow now when you

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Speaker 3: look back at it, like to let Aaron Rodgers play

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Speaker 3: with that team, that team and I'm not saying that

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers would have been the end all, be all help,

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Speaker 3: but in the way that Kevin O'Connell runs that offense

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Speaker 3: with Aaron Rodgers and JAJ got a chance to you know,

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Speaker 3: sit there and actually really learn under him, it would

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Speaker 3: have been ideal. Because right now he's not the guy.

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Speaker 3: He's not the answer, and the Vikings have way too

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Speaker 3: much talent to be as bad as they are right now.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now is Tom tilasco former Raiders and Chargers

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Speaker 2: general manager, and Tom walk in to the show Dougs

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Speaker 2: out coaching the Green Bay Phoenix as we speak against

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Speaker 2: Iona in the Paradise Jam. So Kerry and I are

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Speaker 2: with you today. Let's kind of get into this this

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Speaker 2: Vikings decision making, not necessarily to put JJ McCarthy in protocol,

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Speaker 2: but how we got to this point, Like carry makes

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Speaker 2: the point, you look at Aaron Rodgers, You had Daniel

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Speaker 2: Jones of the building, you had Sam Donald in the building.

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Speaker 2: How do the Vikings end up on a JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 2: that statistically now is putting up some of the worst

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Speaker 2: quarterback numbers we've seen in recent history.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, really unique situation last year. Obviously, Daniel Jones would

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Speaker 13: have been hard to hold on to because he wanted

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Speaker 13: to go somewhere where he knew he had a chance

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Speaker 13: to compete and win the starting job. With JJ McCarthy

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Speaker 13: being a first round draft pick that was not guaranteed

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Speaker 13: there and then Sam Donald, I'm sure they would have

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Speaker 13: loved to kept but there's there's a money portion to

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Speaker 13: that as far as how much do we want to

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Speaker 13: invest in Sam Donald. Now, looking back, they were a

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Speaker 13: fourteen win team last year, so they obviously decided we're

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Speaker 13: going to go with the player that we drafted. And

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Speaker 13: the hard part with with JJ is you number one,

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Speaker 13: he was not a high volume passer in college, so

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Speaker 13: there was definitely going to have to be some development

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Speaker 13: that's going to come along with his game. He's in

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Speaker 13: a great spot at Kevin O'Connell, but he's been hurt

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Speaker 13: a lot and it's hard to get better when you're injured.

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Speaker 13: So he missed all of last year. He wasn't practicing

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Speaker 13: last year, wasn't like last year was a Red Street year.

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Speaker 13: Last year was injured and rehab. I mean, that's some

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Speaker 13: injury this year. So there's just there's a lot of

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Speaker 13: work that needs to be done. He's just not ready

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Speaker 13: for prime time yet. He's still maybe, but it's just

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Speaker 13: not there right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tom, what would be your answer to that? To

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Speaker 3: that will be the solution to the to the problem

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Speaker 3: here in Minnesota. I mean, they have a lot of talent,

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Speaker 3: they have, but they're a team that came like you

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Speaker 3: just said, had fourteen wins last year, a lot of expectations.

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Speaker 3: Defense has been you know, okay, but they haven't been

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Speaker 3: as great as they were last year as well. So

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Speaker 3: is it just because the complementary part of the football

843
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Speaker 3: game being an issue for them and it being off kilter,

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Speaker 3: or is it or is the heavy portion of the

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Speaker 3: blame on J. J McCarthy as far as not being

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Speaker 3: I guess ready to be that guy yet.

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Speaker 13: Right Well, quarterbacks, they get the praise and they get

848
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Speaker 13: the blame, and it's just the way that it is.

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Speaker 13: I mean, their defense is solid. The one aspect that's

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Speaker 13: been an issue this year, which has nothing new with

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Speaker 13: JJ is their offensive line has been hurt most of

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Speaker 13: the year. And they finally got all five back for

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Speaker 13: this game, and then two more guys go out, so

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Speaker 13: that's been a problem. But yeah, he just you know,

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Speaker 13: you come off fourteen wins and you got most of

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Speaker 13: the same players back, You're expecting this quarterback to jump

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Speaker 13: in there and and developed quickly, and it just hasn't

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Speaker 13: quite been there yet. And like I said, a lot

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Speaker 13: of it's just been you know, when you're injured, it's

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Speaker 13: hard to practice. We're not proxing you're not getting better.

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Speaker 13: So you know, they had they had Sam Howell, who

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Speaker 13: they traded for in the building also and then up

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Speaker 13: trading into Philadelphia when they're brought in Carson Wentz. I

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Speaker 13: guess they probably want a little bit more a veteran field.

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Speaker 13: I'm not sure Sam Well. Sam Howell played decent in

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Speaker 13: the preseason, so but yeah, they're in a situation now

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Speaker 13: that I'm sure they were not thinking it could ever

868
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Speaker 13: be at this point. And you know, Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: Tom Telasco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. It's

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Speaker 2: the Doug Gottlieb Show. He's Carrie Rhodes, the former All Pro.

871
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Speaker 2: I'm Dan Byer sitting in for Doug today. Another quarterback situation.

872
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Speaker 2: We started the show talking about it. Shad Or Sanders

873
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: now the starter for Cleveland as Dylan Gabriel has progressed

874
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Speaker 2: through concussion protocol. How did you guys handle fifth round pace?

875
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: Because Shoudor seems to be a different animal, but in

876
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: the end, it was a fifth round selection. And do

877
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Speaker 2: you do you like the way that Cleveland is handled

878
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Shador throughout this process? How about Shador getting his first

879
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: win yesterday and how it's gone so far the season.

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Speaker 13: I think they've handled it the only way you can

881
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 13: handle it. I mean, he was the third quarterback going

882
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Speaker 13: into the season, and then they trade Flaco, and obviously

883
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 13: they liked Gabriel better, at least in the draft process.

884
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Speaker 13: They like Gabriel better than Shoudur. That's why he was

885
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Speaker 13: drafted before him. So he's the starter and Chaduur is

886
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 13: the backup. And you know, Carrie knows this more than anybody.

887
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 13: I mean, the backup quarterback doesn't get a lot of

888
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 13: reps with the ones during the week. He just don't

889
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 13: have enough snaps. And especially if when you're a starter

890
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 13: as a rookie, he needs all the stats he can get.

891
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 13: So Shadu's running scout team. He's he's throwing, you know,

892
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 13: looking at cards and throwing the routes off the cards.

893
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 13: Then maybe after practice going to get together and throw

894
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 13: with some receivers. But that's just life as a second

895
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 13: and third string quarterback. So but now he's the starter.

896
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Speaker 13: I think it's great. It just gives Cleveland some hope

897
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 13: right now. I think I don't think she played great

898
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 13: the other day, but he certainly flashed his talent and

899
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 13: his toughness, his ability to get the ball downfield. He

900
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 13: made some rookie mistakes. The biggest thing is he didn't

901
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 13: take a whole lot. He only took one sack, which

902
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 13: is great to see just protect the football. I know

903
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 13: he had the winter reception, but no fumbles, only one sack.

904
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Speaker 13: And when I think and they have a very conservative

905
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 13: game plan for him, and maybe a lot of start

906
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 13: to open up. But I thought the Browns rookie class

907
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,320
Speaker 13: this year is about standing. I mean, you've got obviously

908
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 13: a rookie starting a quarterback, but you got the two

909
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 13: running backs that are doing outstanding with Judkins and Samson,

910
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 13: and Harold Fanning is a great threat as a tight

911
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 13: end as a middle round draft pick, and Carson Swartzinger

912
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 13: is to me has played at a Pro Bowl level linebacker.

913
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 13: And Mason Graham's had a nice year. So it's a

914
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 13: great rookie class. It's a really young team, and now

915
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 13: you get a chance to see Shader hopefully for the

916
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 13: next couple of weeks and see what he can do.

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Speaker 3: Tom It's crazy because I said coming into this year

918
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 3: that the Browns would be a scary team because their

919
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 3: defense is so good, and so I thought, you know,

920
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: my you know, hindsight twenty twenty. Right, you think it's

921
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: a lot is going to be able to operate that

922
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 3: thing at a at a above average clip, right, And

923
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 3: I thought the team would be you know, in in

924
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: the mix and that division, to be honest. And so

925
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 3: right now, where do they stand with Kevin Stefanski And

926
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, I guess you would say under and underachievement

927
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 3: team right now.

928
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Speaker 13: Well, like the defense has played really really well, and

929
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 13: you know you could see that going into the year.

930
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 13: But offensively, to me, it doesn't matter who's playing quarterback,

931
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 13: they just don't have enough infrastructure yet and they're he's

932
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 13: really young a position. Their offensive line is not a

933
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 13: great group. It's not very strong, especially a tackle, so

934
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 13: that's not an issue all year, which I give Shoulder

935
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 13: even more credit for taking one sack yesterday. And their

936
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 13: skill group Jerry Judy is really talented, but you could

937
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 13: see yesterday what happens with him sometimes, so he just

938
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 13: isn't always a reliable outlet for the quarterback. So to me,

939
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 13: there just isn't enough talent on offense yet, no matter

940
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Speaker 13: who the quarterback is, and that's going to take time.

941
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 13: Like this this draft class without standing, there need another

942
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,879
Speaker 13: draft class another free agent class to kind of get

943
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 13: the offense where it needs to go.

944
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Speaker 2: Tom Telasco joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, former

945
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 2: Chargers and Raiders general manager. I want to talk about

946
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: one of your former teams, the Raiders. They've now fired

947
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: two thirds of their coordinators within the last month and

948
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 2: after that lost to the Browns, Chip Kelly ousted last night.

949
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: How does how does that happen for an NFL team,

950
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: especially in a first year situation where you've ousted your

951
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: special teams coordinator and your offensive coordinator and we're just

952
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 2: two thirds of the way through the year.

953
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean, it certainly not ideal. You know, the

954
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 13: Raiders are really results oriented team, probably bit more than

955
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 13: process oriented, and the wins just haven't been there. And

956
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 13: I really when they hired Peek Trail, I thought it

957
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 13: was a good hire. I still think it's a good

958
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 13: hire at the time for the situation and what he

959
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 13: can bring some stability to the to the club. And

960
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 13: I like the Chip Kelly higher at the time. I

961
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 13: think Chip is now standing offensive coach. So but it

962
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 13: just it just hasn't clicked. It hasn't worked, unfortunately. So

963
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 13: you know, they still have some games left here to

964
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 13: see what they can get together. That the defense has

965
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 13: played relatively well throughout this year and offensively, they they're

966
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 13: opening game against the Patriots against a good defense. I

967
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 13: thought their offense played really, really well. I thought that

968
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 13: was going to be take some stepping stones from that game.

969
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 13: It just has gone the other way for whatever reason.

970
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 13: They showed, you know, week one that they could move

971
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 13: to football against a good team, but it just hasn't clicked.

972
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 13: And yeah, we're going to kind of see, you know,

973
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 13: from the rest of the year out I know, how

974
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 13: they play, how the results are, and then we'll find

975
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 13: out at the end of the year what path they

976
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 13: end up taking. But that's a unique situation there. That's

977
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 13: why I thought Pete would be a really good hire.

978
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 13: Veteran coach can handle the situation because it is really

979
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 13: it's a bit of a rebuild. It just it is

980
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 13: what it is. They still need a lot of talent

981
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,839
Speaker 13: on that offense and defense. But we'll kind of see

982
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 13: where it heads.

983
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: Tom.

984
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: We got a tight rates coming down the stretch here

985
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: with both divisions NFC and AFC, and there's going to

986
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: be a team that a lot of a lot of

987
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: us picked in both divisions that are not going to

988
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 3: make the playoffs, would you go on the limb right

989
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 3: now and say, out of both conferences, which team you

990
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: think is on the verge of not possibly making the

991
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: playoffs that we, you know, as people that covered the league,

992
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: thought would be in the playoff race or in the

993
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 3: playoff playoff position.

994
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, it was funny. One of my kids yesterday,

995
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 13: I said, you look at the AFC standings, it looks

996
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 13: like it's like two thousand and six with the Patriots.

997
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 13: So you know, even you know, watching Kansas City yesterday,

998
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 13: I mean they got to six and five, it wasn't

999
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 13: the previous of games. I mean, they ran like ninety plays,

1000
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 13: which is amazing. They just couldn't get any explosive plays.

1001
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 13: And maybe that's a little bit of Colts defense too,

1002
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 13: but it's just it's hard for me to imagine with

1003
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 13: Patrick Mahomes and then having one of the most creative

1004
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 13: offensive coordinators with with Andy Reid, and then the speed

1005
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 13: they have a receiver, and still having a savvy Kelsey

1006
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 13: that they just couldn't get the ball downfield and make

1007
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 13: any big plays. But they made it enough to keep

1008
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 13: driving the ball to put up enough points and they

1009
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 13: played really good defense in the second half, but you know,

1010
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 13: they're still in the outside looking in with some pretty

1011
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 13: good teams in front of them, So it would just

1012
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 13: be it would just be poetic justice that the one

1013
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 13: year I'm out of the AFC West, I'm not with

1014
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 13: the Charge and or the Raiders. We're going to take

1015
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 13: a step back take the playoffs. But they're still in it.

1016
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 13: But man, it's gonna be a tough road right given

1017
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 13: at six and five right now to kind of get

1018
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 13: back in there unless some other teams falter above them.

1019
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's on the records and the teams. Maybe it

1020
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 2: is a who's who of who's on the bubble, that

1021
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: is for sure. Even in the NFC, lets on the

1022
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: outside back looking in right now in the playoff picture. Tom,

1023
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 2: We appreciate the time, have a great Thanksgiving and can't

1024
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: wait to talk to you after week thirteen.

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Speaker 13: Thanks so much, Yes, guys, thanks Giving to both of you. Guys.

1026
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Speaker 13: Take care going, Tom.

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Speaker 11: Opening Possession of overtime Golf up under center turns gives

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Speaker 2: Gifts had to take thee.

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Speaker 7: One guns shamere Gibs to the house the first play

1040
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Speaker 3: Over time you know, you know, we know can fly?

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Speaker 5: He can fly.

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Speaker 2: Wow, my goodness, Dan, what are you doing? Stand up?

1044
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Speaker 2: Carry is actually standing? He is actually standing. If you know,

1045
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: you know, and if you know the overtime rules mean

1046
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: the Giants also get the football so they could come

1047
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,240
Speaker 2: back and win the game. Just so you know, ninety

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Speaker 2: seven point one the Ticket Lions Radio network, to their credit,

1049
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Speaker 2: the Day by Jumior Gibbs