1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: Build you from the inside out. Now here's Jay Glacier. 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: Welcome into Unbreakable, a mental wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: I'm Jay Glazer. And before I get to my guest today, 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: my guest Boddy. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 3: You know him. You know him as a Hall of 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 3: Famer in the NFL. 8 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 2: He should be up for the Hall of Fame for 9 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: GMS ex baseball player, my drinking buddy. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 3: And you'll get in that a little bit. 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: But before we get to that, if you're like many people, 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: you may be surprised to learn that one in five 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: adults in this country experience mental illness last year. If 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: far too many fella receive the support they need, Carolyn 15 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: Behavioral Health is doing. 16 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: Something about it. 17 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: They understand the behavioral health is a key part of 18 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: whole health, delivering compassionate care that treats physical, mental, emotional, 19 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: and social needs in tandem. Carolyn behavioral Health raising the 20 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: quality of life through empathy and action. Welcome into Unbreakable, 21 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: a Mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. 22 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to wait my guest here. He's done 23 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: an unbelievable job with his. 24 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: Hall of Fame football career, super Bowl winner, unbelievable job 25 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: as a general manager, making that jump, unbelievable teammate of 26 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: mind when he was a Fox Sports as well, And 27 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: that is the one and only forty seven read John Lynch, 28 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 2: How are you brother? 29 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 4: I'm doing great, glazy. This is this is kind of 30 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 4: awkward because. 31 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 5: You and I are usually just shooting that, you know what, 32 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 5: and to be on this kind of formal setting, it's 33 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 5: just awkward. But I do have to say up front, 34 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 5: I heard you reading you know that read about mental health. 35 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 5: I just can't tell you. I don't know if I 36 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 5: tell you this enough. How proud I am of you 37 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 5: for the contribution you're making this so many who suffer 38 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 5: with you know, something that afflicts so many people in 39 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 5: our country, and something that for so often wasn't something 40 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 5: that was talked about, that was just kind of pushed 41 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 5: to the back door. And I think people like yourself 42 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 5: who are bringing it to the forefront, you know, still 43 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 5: living a fun life, a life that people want to live, 44 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 5: and showing people that you know, you can struggle and 45 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: still have a real fulfilling life and the amount of 46 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 5: people you've helped I hear it from. I know you 47 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 5: hear it from people. I know how home Linden is 48 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 5: to you, But kudos to you, man. I love you 49 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 5: for it, and I love you for a lot of things, 50 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 5: but I do love you for that. 51 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you can make my ass cry. Man. I 52 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: appreciate it, dude. 53 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: And it's funny because you know, John and I've known 54 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: each other for twenty something years and he seen me 55 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: do a lot of crazy shit. 56 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 3: But back then, lets you, we just said like. 57 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: Oh, glazers crazy, right, We never knew depression anxiety great, 58 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: I never call it that. You just I don't know. 59 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 2: Did you know how much pain I was in? You 60 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 2: know I was crazy, But did you know how much 61 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: pain I was in? 62 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: I never did. 63 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 5: And you know, it's something I think about a lot 64 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 5: in my current role as a GM. A lot of stuff. 65 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 5: And I remember Tony Dungee used to tell me this, 66 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 5: You'd be shocked the amount of stuff that comes over 67 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,959 Speaker 5: our desk. What we know about players that players would 68 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 5: never know. And I always prided myself pay as you 69 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 5: know this. 70 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: I care about people. 71 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 5: It's a quality that I think my parents instilled by 72 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 5: by their actions. They were people who gave a lot 73 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 5: to their community, to their family. We always had people 74 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 5: randoms living in our house. I mean, it was just 75 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 5: that that's how our family was. And I always pride 76 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 5: myself on being a great teammate. It was probably as 77 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 5: important to me as anything. But now that I know 78 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 5: all the people that struggle on a day to day 79 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 5: basis with issues, everybody has issues, and as a teammate, man, 80 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 5: I look back and I try not to add regrets, 81 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 5: but I do have regrets that I didn't know more 82 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 5: about my teammates and how many of them might have 83 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 5: been struggling. I hear about it now as they've left 84 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 5: football and some of these things come to the forefront, 85 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 5: or maybe it's more comfortable, but I hear it about 86 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 5: our own players on a day to day basis, not 87 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: necessarily mental health, but just the day to day struggles 88 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 5: that people have. 89 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: So problems. Yeah, I had a lot of problems. Got ump, 90 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 3: But beer's the thing. 91 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 2: Lets you like, that's our thing because it wasn't out there, 92 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: and that's why I do try and talk about so 93 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: it gets out there. It's our not our job, but 94 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: like we hit it. Like I didn't tell Stray for 95 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: thirty three years, you know, I guess and that's the thing. 96 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 3: So you can't have guilt because it's not like I 97 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 3: ever said to you. 98 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 2: And all those times, you know, man, I've and I've 99 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 2: melted down your digitals. 100 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: Come do you want to beat someone's ass? 101 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 2: You know you've talked me off the ledge of doing 102 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: a lot of bad show over the years, and it's 103 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: not like I came to you like, hey man, I'm 104 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: really struggling my depression and my anxiety. My anxiety has 105 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 2: me thinking all these crazy thoughts, so I want to 106 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 2: lash out. You know you just by the way, being 107 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: crazy and football and fighting is a badge of honor, 108 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: so you know it's you can't blame yourself. 109 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: And it was also my job to not my job, 110 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 3: but you want. 111 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: To hide it because you don't want to be, let's say, 112 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: a burden on people. And now now I know, having 113 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: done all this work and mental health, we're so not 114 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 2: a burden on people. Because every time I've called you 115 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 2: and be like fuck it, or you can be in 116 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 2: the biggest meaning of life and I'll text you and 117 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: go fuck I need you to call me right and 118 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: you could tell what it's one of those calls I. 119 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 3: Need you to call me. 120 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: And sometimes you realize too. I just need to talk. 121 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 2: But I'm kind of going off the reservation a little bit. 122 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: And I don't even say it to you, But I 123 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: think now because we talk about it so much, you 124 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 2: could recognize a little lot more. But because I've been 125 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: so open about it, you can't put on yourself. Like 126 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: twenty years ago, I wasn't open on this, so you 127 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 2: didn't know, so you couldn't You couldn't know what your 128 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: teammates too. 129 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it. 130 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 5: You know, I think of one of those teammates, who's 131 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 5: the guy you know that I was drafted with to 132 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 5: Demetrius Debos from Notre Dame. 133 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 4: He was a tremendous linebacker. I think back to that draft. 134 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 5: It was Eric Curry was our first round pick nineteen 135 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 5: ninety three Tampa. Demetrius Debos was the number two pick. 136 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 5: Lamar Thomas, the receiver, was three A. To this day, 137 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 5: he calls me three B when he sees me because 138 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 5: I was the second third round pick. 139 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 4: So I was three B. 140 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 5: And Demetrius was my best friend, you know, Linda and 141 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 5: I and Demetrius were we were like always together, you know. 142 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 5: When we got married. Demetrius was in our wedding and 143 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 5: Demetrius looking back, he had mental health issues. He had 144 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 5: I think he probably was bipolar, but people didn't know 145 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 5: what that was then. But I knew that Demetrius ninety 146 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 5: percent of the time was the greatest dude in the 147 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 5: world and the most fun loving, and ten percent of 148 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 5: the time he'd come back and just this was. 149 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: A different person. Who is this guy? You know? That 150 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 4: is my buddy. I don't know this guy? 151 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 5: And he went down a path and then ultimately, you know, 152 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 5: tragically got shot in San Diego and shot by the 153 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 5: police actually you know, in a deal where you know 154 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 5: he had gone down a bad path with substance, and 155 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 5: you know, but I think, man, if I had known 156 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,359 Speaker 5: that there was a sickness, I didn't know. 157 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: I just thought he had moments. 158 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 5: If nobody knew what that was, and they just knew 159 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 5: that man, there's ten percent of the time he's a 160 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 5: completely different person. You try not to live with their guests. 161 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 5: But believe me, I take about that on a daily base. 162 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, because ultimately, Linchy, it's on me, right, I could 163 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: I'd come to you, I could talk to you and 164 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 2: you could help me, and you could talk to me. 165 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: You can even say glaize goo with help. But if 166 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 2: I don't, it's on me, it's not on you. And 167 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 2: that's where I try and and tell people, you know, 168 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 2: I've worked with a lot of people too who are 169 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: too saddle. I'm like, hey, you know, somebody takes their 170 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 2: own life. We are the ones who are left to 171 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 2: deal with the pain. Your pain's gone, but we deal 172 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: with it. And I always get after a lot of 173 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 2: my vets and they're friends with and a lot of 174 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: our ex players, like, fucking don't leave that shit on us. 175 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 3: It's not fair to us, you know. And it's not 176 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: your fault or my. 177 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: Fault that somebody else decides to do that, decide to 178 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: pull that trigger. 179 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: And we have to realize that. But it doesn't have 180 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 3: to be that level. 181 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: Of mental health where Dmetriots gets shot or someone takes 182 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: her own life. It's anything like you could be there 183 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 2: for me as much as you want. If I don't 184 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 2: try and and there's a lot of things I could 185 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 2: do for myself now, learn certain breath work and meditation 186 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 2: and talk to a therapist. That's on me, it's not 187 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: on you. You can't have nobody can have any guilt 188 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: on that. The one thing the only thing you could 189 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 2: have guilt that is if you decide not to listen. Yeah, 190 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 2: but I haven't had anybody who's done that. Everybody's said, hey, 191 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: I'm there, I'll be. 192 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: A near for you. 193 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and learning from you, learning from other situations, 194 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 5: you know, be a Demetrius deposed junior say, oh, you know. 195 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 5: The one thing I know is you know and believe 196 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 5: me that the hardest part of this job is delivering 197 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 5: bad news to people. You know, when you have to 198 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 5: tell a young man that, man, I know you've been 199 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 5: going for this and you've you know, sometimes you have 200 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 5: to say you didn't put her enough out there, and 201 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 5: that's why you're being let go. 202 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: Sometimes the hardest part is one. 203 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 5: Of the kids that have done everything right for the 204 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 5: circumstancesn't right. And I give Tony Dungeye a lot of 205 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 5: credit because he's the one who taught me that the 206 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 5: people making the decisions you should be the one to 207 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 5: talk to him every time. And so just like I 208 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 5: take a phone call, I stop everything for you, or 209 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 5: for one of my kids, or for my wife. 210 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: You're putting me in with your kids. 211 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 4: I know you're the. 212 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 5: One person other than that my parents and my family, 213 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 5: you know, to stop everything and to deliver that message 214 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 5: to them, I think it means a lot to them. 215 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 5: But then to know that, like it's not only that 216 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 5: you deliver the message, it's tell you and yet there's 217 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 5: no other way to do it, but then to be direct, 218 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 5: but to also know that, hey, you know, and we've 219 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 5: got people that can help you because you know it's 220 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: not going to be easy going forward, and we have 221 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 5: the tremendous organization that understands that. 222 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 4: And I can tell you that there's countless stories of 223 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 4: people who later it's a man that meant so much 224 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: to me that you took the time that you talk 225 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 4: to me, that your organization helped us. That's really a 226 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 4: gratifying part of this. As hard as that experience is, 227 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 4: when you hear those stories, it makes you realize how 228 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: important it is to be heard out by somebody. And 229 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 4: you know, it makes a tough situation a good one. 230 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: You've also been through it, like you were with it 231 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: right in Tampa and yeah, going from Tampa the buck, 232 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: so you you know it, and that for a lot 233 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: of other gms obviously don't have what you have, that 234 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: kind of experience where you could say, okay, well this 235 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: is what I is what made me feel shitty about 236 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: leaving the Bucks and they go to Broncos and this 237 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 2: what made me feel good. Has there been stuff that 238 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: you've experienced a player that you're like, you know, I 239 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 2: would have liked this done differently than me when I played. 240 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 3: So I'm going to do this as. 241 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 4: A GM every day, every day. And then, you know, 242 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: it's something that I think. 243 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: Kyle, you know, told me when we got together, Kyle Shanahan, 244 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 5: when we got together and said let's do this. He's like, dude, 245 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 5: what an asset for me to have to be able 246 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: to talk to a guy who knows what these guys 247 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 5: are thinking, not like, did you play, You played at 248 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 5: a high level, you played for a couple different organizations, 249 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 5: you played for fifteen years. You know, we'd be foolish 250 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 5: not to tap into that. So absolutely it helps. And 251 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 5: I do think and that's not to say I mean 252 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 5: some of the people I respect most in this business 253 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 5: never played at our level. 254 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 4: You know, the John Schneiders of the world. 255 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 5: He probably played at that small college he went to 256 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 5: or whatever, and I think they play football. I love you, yeah, 257 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 5: I love you, but you know I do think it helps, 258 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 5: and you know, it helps a lot because they know 259 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 5: you've sat in their seat and they know that they 260 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 5: may not agree with what you're saying, but they know 261 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 5: that you've been there, and it helps to be able 262 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 5: to say, look, I've been on the receiving end of 263 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: this message, and so I know. 264 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: It's what happened on the receiving that you didn't like 265 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: that you've been able to change. 266 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 5: Just being forthright, you know, don't beat around the bush. 267 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 5: You know, don't tell me you love me and you 268 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 5: love me, but like tell me, hey, the organization's made 269 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 5: a decision. It's a real tough one because of all 270 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 5: you've done for this organization. And sometimes I also understand 271 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 5: now that that's a hard thing to do because you 272 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,119 Speaker 5: don't always know the answer right away. It's not always absolute. 273 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 5: But I think when you just communicate, that's the one 274 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 5: thing I've learned. Communicate over communicate. Here's where we're at 275 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 5: right now. I think that goes such a long way 276 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 5: when you're the player, because people feel like, if someone's 277 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 5: just shooting me straight, I can live with anything. I 278 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 5: may not agree with it, but I can live with anything. 279 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 5: It starts feeling awful shady when they tell you one 280 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 5: thing and then the other thing happens, or they don't 281 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 5: tell you anything and you're completely surprised. 282 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to go back one thing again. 283 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: John Lynch, general manager of the San Francisco forty nine 284 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: ers Hall of Famer, on the Box Froncos and the 285 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: Patriots for like a week or so early three weeks, weeks, 286 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: three weeks, three weeks. 287 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 4: That was an experience being in New England. 288 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 5: I actually got real close with Bill during that time 289 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 5: because we talked a lot, and I think being the outsider, 290 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 5: Bill felt like he could talk to someone and we 291 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 5: talked a lot, and man, I respect the heck out 292 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 5: of him. 293 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: We have so many funny stories together, and again we 294 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 2: have good friends. 295 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, where do we go? 296 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 2: And it is hard to interview your friends like I 297 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 2: had Kurt Menafee on a couple of weeks agoing Kurt 298 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: and I started our careers together. I'm like, I don't 299 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: know a fucking interview because there's so much I think. Look, 300 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 2: we call this a metal Will podcast right now, and look, 301 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 2: you could tell right now from Lynch and our relationship. 302 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 3: He's kind of my emotional support dog and. 303 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 2: I pretty good, right, but I have been as emotional, 304 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 2: sport dog like you know. 305 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 3: I want to get to another funny story here. 306 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 2: We'll be all over the map here that I've been 307 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: able to help John also with players of hey man, 308 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: how do I handle guys now having you know, mental 309 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 2: health issues like where we. 310 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 3: Can attack and things like that. 311 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: Right, So we've been great, So I want to get 312 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: I want to hit that in a little bit. But 313 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: I got to tell people here one of our all 314 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: time crazy stories. So I go out to Denver. 315 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: For I was training camp and Lyncha here has never 316 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 3: been out in Denver. He's never been out. 317 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: Wife Lynn is like, for some reason, Lyndas, like you know, 318 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 2: plays a great influence. 319 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 3: Go whatever, he's good, you go out with him. What's happened? 320 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 2: I have my role in the lynd S household, but 321 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 2: she's always like to make sure you go out. He's 322 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: never been out, and she's like, go out, go out 323 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: with Glaze, Go out with Glaze. 324 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 3: He's here in town, go out with him. Right, you 325 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 3: haven't been out in Denver yet, So you went? Who 326 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: did you go? You went a couple of your teammates 327 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 3: and asked where we should go. 328 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 5: Al Wilson was one of them, was. 329 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 4: Jake Plumber. They were all in on it. 330 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 3: They were all in. 331 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: He goes, where's the glaze that I go and we 332 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: won't say them in the place, but it was a go. 333 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: It was some someplace in Denver, and we do go out, 334 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 2: and on first glance it seemed like a phenomenal place. 335 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: It seemed great. And Linch's a family man. I was 336 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: single at the time, so it was a lot of 337 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: ladies there. 338 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 3: So I'm like, oh, it's great. 339 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 2: Lynch goes to the bathroom and I kind of look 340 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 2: around and my investigative journalism hat. 341 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 3: Comes out and I'm like, we gotta go. 342 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 2: And Linch comes back for the bathroom, and you're like, hey, hey, 343 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: all right. The guys set us up, like we gotta go, 344 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: and You're like, why what are you talking? I said, 345 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: we gotta go, And these fucking fools set us up 346 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: and sent us to a mail burlesque. 347 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 3: Well, and I'll never forget. It was men in uniform 348 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 3: night and we turned around. It must have been at 349 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 3: a break and this big guy in a. 350 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 2: Cop out comes out, both his pants off, and there's 351 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 2: fucking Jay Glazer and John Lynch right there. 352 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 5: Well, I was looking at you and I'm going, this 353 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: is exactly what you wanted your single and you go 354 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 5: turn around and I turn around and right in my faces. 355 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: I got to the team meeting the next day, and 356 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 5: I was new to that team, and this kind of 357 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 5: was like the moment that ingratiated my teammates. I said, 358 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 5: they Mike, I got something to say in front the team, 359 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 5: and I said, al rud Jay, you know what. 360 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: Like I think you said, I want two words fuck you. 361 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 4: You guys set me up. And they laughed so hard. 362 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 4: Oh my god. 363 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: But that is what is great about a locker room. 364 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 2: That listen, if the rest of the world took on 365 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: the attitude of a locker room, we once to have 366 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: so many problems, like locker room is the only place 367 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: you could have a big fat, white racist lineman being 368 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: the best man of young fuck black Eye's wedding. There's 369 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: only one color people care about the locker room, and 370 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 2: that's silver, which is the color in that trophy. And 371 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: you could laugh it out and fight it out. And 372 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: nobody's sensitive in locker room. They are outside in the 373 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: rest of the world, and I wish we could share 374 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: it with the rest of the world and we can't. 375 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: Now it's getting even worse and worse, and we're not 376 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 2: going to go to a whole fucking thing here. But 377 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: I mean that night, you couldn't have more backgrounds all 378 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: in a plot to mess with the pasty white safety 379 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: and the Jewish guy who's coming in. 380 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: To help or left show, and it's like we're all 381 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: coming together to love and laugh together. 382 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 2: And man, I wish we could bottle it up the 383 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: magic locker room and give it to the world. 384 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 6: I think it's what's always appealed to me about this 385 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 6: sport is whether I was a six year old fan, 386 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 6: my dad was in the radio a business and they 387 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 6: were the flagship station of the San Diego Chargers, and 388 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 6: so my dad and mom would be up in a suite. 389 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 5: Back then they were boxes and suits. They weren't real plush, 390 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 5: but they were up there entertaining clients, and my sister, 391 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 5: my brother and I would be down with these Charger 392 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 5: fans that became family to us. And what I learned there, 393 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 5: aside from love and sports and everything, was sports in 394 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 5: our family, and my dad had played in the NFL 395 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 5: a little bit, my mom was real athletic. 396 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: We just loved sports. 397 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 5: My parents had a philosophy, you send your kids outside. 398 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 5: You haven't played every sport, so they're so tired they 399 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 5: couldn't think about getting into trouble. 400 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 4: But what I learned about sports being a six year 401 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 4: old Charger fan, when it was just my. 402 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 5: Sister, my brother and I, you had all these people that, 403 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 5: for the love of one organization come together. 404 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 4: You know me, I love bringing people together. 405 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 5: And the same thing happened, you know, when I went 406 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 5: to Stanford and played football. People from different races, you 407 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 5: all come together for a common goal. And then the 408 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 5: thing about football, nothing about it's easy, It's really difficult. 409 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 5: It hurts, you know, so you become even a stronger 410 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: bond because you go shared sacrifice, right the pain brings you. 411 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 4: And if this guy's with me in the. 412 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 5: Beginning and he's still with me at the end, man, 413 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 5: you learn out. You know I said it in my 414 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame speech. You learn how much you are 415 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 5: alike number one. And then you learn to celebrate your differences. 416 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 5: And man, if the rest of the world could take 417 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 5: that on right, not be so sensitive and learn to 418 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 5: bust each other's tops, but do it in good fun, 419 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 5: but really have that bond we could all learn. 420 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 4: And I talked about huddling up. 421 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 5: That's all up together there as a people, because that's 422 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 5: what I believe, and like, we make it too difficult sometime, 423 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 5: and yeah we're different, but celebrate that learn. You know what, 424 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 5: through going through experiences together, you learn I'm the same 425 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 5: guy as that guy. We grew up in different and 426 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 5: we have different experiences, but we believe in the same things. 427 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 5: You got the same yeah, right, Yeah. A lot of 428 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 5: people don't know you played baseball. Also, what was the 429 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 5: level we got to in baseball? So I was the 430 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: first pick of the Florida Marlins. I played at Stanford. 431 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 5: You know, I was an outfielder. I was a close 432 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 5: the first pick of the Marlins. I didn't fucking know that. 433 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 4: No. I threw the first pitch. 434 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 5: I was the second pick, Charles Johnson, you know, so 435 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 5: their first year back it up, Yah. 436 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: Through the first the second pitch. 437 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 4: I threw the first pitch in Florida Marlin's organization history. 438 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 4: It was in Erie, Pennsylvania. 439 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 5: No, sh yeah, yeah, I was the second Charles Johnson, 440 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 5: the catcher, was their first pick. 441 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 4: I was their second pick, and uh, you know. 442 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 5: We went to what they call short season a ball 443 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 5: in Erie, Pennsylvania, and this became a huge deal because 444 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 5: I ain't IZINGO in the team and this was you know, 445 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 5: they were an expansion team and here was the first 446 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 5: pitch an organization history. 447 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 4: My hat, all all that still in the Baseball Hall 448 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 4: of Fame. 449 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 5: The other part of the story, I came to Stanford 450 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 5: as a quarterback. You know, I was the number two 451 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 5: quarterback the day I stepped on campus. You know, I 452 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 5: thought of going into my sophomore year. I won the 453 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,120 Speaker 5: quarterback job only to get beat out. I'm playing baseball. 454 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 5: Baseball is going better. So in baseball at the time, 455 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 5: you could sign after your junior year, and I signed 456 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 5: with the Marlins after my junior year. And then Danny 457 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 5: Green leaves for the Vikings and Bill Walsh comes in. 458 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 5: And I get a call from Bill Walsh saying, hey, 459 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 5: now I had switched to safety and I got benched 460 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 5: in Game four after leading the team in tackles, I 461 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 5: get benched. I thought I was playing pretty well, but 462 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 5: apparently the coaches did it. So I just said football 463 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 5: is my love, but baseball is where I got to go. 464 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 5: Bill Walsh watches the tape and he comes in and 465 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 5: I'm in Florida, actually at spring training. I get a 466 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 5: call from Bill Walsh and Bill says, hey, you know, 467 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: I've been watching our film and you're our best defensive player. 468 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,959 Speaker 5: I understand you have a great opportunity with the Florida 469 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 5: Marlins and that you know baseball's going. 470 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 4: Well, but I'm telling you can be a Pro Bowl 471 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 4: safety in the NFL. 472 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 5: I said, what, I played four games and I got binched, 473 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 5: and with all due respect coach Walling and he said, hey, 474 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 5: next time you're in town, come see me in my office. 475 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 5: So I did, and he made a tape and it 476 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 5: was a tape of Ronnie Lott making a play. Then 477 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 5: he making a similar play, Ronnie lot making him play. 478 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 5: He says, you believe me now, and I was ready 479 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 5: to run through a wall? 480 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: Did you only? So you played that one year in baseball, 481 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: and then I. 482 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 5: Played two parts the two minor league seasons so as summer, 483 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 5: and then I went to King County, Illinois. 484 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 3: Give me some of those fun stories from those times. 485 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 2: But also what's the difference in the baseball and a 486 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 2: football locker room in the culture. 487 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 4: First of all, being in the minor leagues, man, it's 488 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 4: the minor leagues is a trip now. I mean you 489 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 4: go to spring training and they're basically babysit because you know, 490 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 4: only so much you can do. 491 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 5: Like in training camp, the day's full, you know, NFL 492 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: training camp, right yeah, NFL training camp. 493 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: We used to have two practices. We don't anymore, but 494 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 4: you still have a full day of meetings. Baseball like 495 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 4: their babysitting minor league kids because they don't want you 496 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 4: going back to the hotel. 497 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 3: And they and their high school kids, right yeah, got. 498 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 5: School and there's kids from third world countries, you know, 499 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,719 Speaker 5: And I think that's the thing. You know, football players 500 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 5: get a bum rap, but most football players have their 501 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 5: college degrees. These guys, most of them, they were lucky 502 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 5: if they had high school degrees, and so you're out. 503 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 5: I remember this kid who I was on the you know, 504 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: we'd be on these buses, and I remember my dad, 505 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 5: before I went and played minor league baseball, said everybody's 506 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 5: got to have a briefcase, you know, And I was like, 507 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 5: why do. 508 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 4: I have to have a briefcase at And so. 509 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 5: I got on my first trip with this kid, Ryan Whitman, 510 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 5: had a briefcase. And Ryan had graduated high school. He 511 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 5: got seen like he worked at a bar. They had 512 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 5: a softball team. He had a cannon for a and 513 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 5: so Ryan was this great kid, but he knew I 514 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 5: like to read. So he'd come to me and he goes, hey, 515 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 5: I want you to help me, you know, like in 516 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 5: case I make it in baseball. I want you to 517 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 5: help me learn how to interview. And so I said, 518 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 5: all right, right, we'll come with a word, be a 519 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 5: word from something I'm reading, and we're going to learn that. 520 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 5: I'm going to expand your vocabulary because most people are 521 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 5: playing cards. I was into reading back then, and I 522 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: filed some time, so Ryan and I and then one 523 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 5: day I said, hey, with if I'm going to be 524 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 5: doing this, you got to tell me I've been watching it. 525 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 4: Carry that briefcase forever, Like what's in that briefcase? 526 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 5: He goes, oh, he puffs it open, his baseball card 527 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 5: taped up and a packed a cigarettes. 528 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 4: The only thing but the stories of minor league baseball, 529 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 4: I mean everything from being on the freeways. You see 530 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 4: like the amount of time I played it. 531 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 5: You're seeing beautiful parts of a like I was in 532 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 5: New York Penn League and you're going places like eerie. 533 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 5: But you're going up at the Niagara and Canada Oneata 534 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 5: and New York, upstate New York. It's real pretty Jamestown 535 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 5: and then you go up into Canada, real pretty places. 536 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 5: But my brother did it for six years. He goes, yeah, 537 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 5: it gets old really quick. Jankie buss, but it's fun. 538 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 4: JANKI buss. One time we broke down, and I remember that. 539 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 5: I think the bus driver was in tears because he 540 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 5: put diesel fuel into a regular and had burned the engine. 541 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 5: But while we're waiting for another bus in the middle 542 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 5: of the night, we had the radar gun and we 543 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 5: got up on top of the freeways of New York. 544 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 5: We're up shooting the radar gun, timing the trucks coming over. 545 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 5: You know, edgar Renaia had come from Columbia when I 546 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 5: was in my second year room with the guy Pat Lahy. 547 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 5: His grandfather was the Great Frankly. He the coach at 548 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 5: Notre Dame. Pat had played at Notre Dame, and so 549 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,880 Speaker 5: they thought we were the responsible one college kids. So 550 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 5: the Marlins came to it. 551 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 3: I have no idea. 552 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 5: Hey, no offense to you, John, but our real number 553 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 5: one prospect, this kid, edgar Renarea is sixteen years old 554 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 5: from Columbia, needs a place to live, and we think 555 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 5: you guys are the most responsible. 556 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 4: And I told them it's like, hey, we're college kids. 557 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,959 Speaker 4: We're going out after games. 558 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 5: Like I know, but you just you guys have a 559 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 5: have a good and so sure enough Edgar gets there 560 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 5: and for a month we'd leave and he was like 561 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 5: the puppy at the window watch no, no worry. Yeah, 562 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 5: and he's having you know, he come from Columbia. His 563 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 5: food his stomach was torn up because the food was different. 564 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 5: And he begged us, let us go out with you 565 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 5: one night. So we take him to a bar one night, 566 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 5: and ten minutes in I lose Edgar and I pat, 567 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,440 Speaker 5: where's Edgar? And fifteen minutes later we find him outside 568 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 5: throwing up. He had had his first dride. 569 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 4: And the Marlins, the Marlins front office was so mad. 570 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 5: At me, and I said, I told you guys, like 571 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 5: I wasn't there the babysit. 572 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 4: We were college kids. But to this day we still 573 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 4: have a great relationship. Baseball was fun. Baseball there's so 574 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 4: much more downtime, like if you're even if you're hitting 575 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 4: in the lineup, then you go hang at the fence 576 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,720 Speaker 4: and you're hanging with your guys, so. 577 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 5: You talk a lot football, you're working. You know, like 578 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 5: it's a lot more work. 579 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 2: Man. 580 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 3: I appreciate that so much. Brother, man, appreciate so much.