1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Live Wire is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Modulator Media. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Previously on live Wire. The Loud Life and shocking Murder 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: of alan Burg. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 2: Twenty three members of the extrema group known as the 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Order are accused of murders, armed robbery, counterbidding, and an 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: ardent attempt at an x Vated theater in Seattle, all 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: to further their message of hate. The underground network came 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: to light after a fiery shootout on whit The Island 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: in Washington, Fate in which leader Robert Matthews were killed. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 3: They were members of the Order who had turned state's 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: evidence and became witnesses for the prosecution. And we divided 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 3: those up, and so I had some of those, and 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: so did all of the other members of our team. 14 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: And then most of the people were eyewitnesses, the Brinks drivers, 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: people along the road who had seen them, alan Berg's wife, 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 3: I believe testified, and other people who were privy to 17 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 3: the alan Berg murder. 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 4: There was a lady by the name of King Craig 19 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 4: who was closely affiliated to Robert Matthews, and she went 20 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 4: to Denver weeks before the assassination and did a very 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: thorough job of identifying alan Berg, his friend, his associates's. 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 5: Activities on a daily basis. She followed him and surveilled 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: him and knew exactly where he worked, toward his residence, 24 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 5: was when he generally got home from work, what he 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 5: did in terms of any recreational activity, and provided all 26 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 5: that information to the assassination group. 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 6: We later learned that the radio station itself had been 28 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 6: cased by Gene Craig, who had posed as a prize 29 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 6: winner and apparently had been escorted around the station. So 30 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 6: the thought that these killers had actually been in our 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 6: midst was scary. 32 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 3: And then it was at the end of December. There 33 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: was a period of time when the jury was deliberating, 34 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 3: and it was about four or five days, I think, 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: and then finally they announced that they had reached a verdict, 36 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 3: and we all came back to court and we listened 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: to the verdict and everyone was found guilty and the 38 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 3: trial was over. 39 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,359 Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty seven, each of the individuals behind Alanberg's 40 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: shocking assassination were either dead or in prison. That fact 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: brought some measure of closure to the numerous people who 42 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: are still grieving the popular Denver radio host's violent death. 43 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: As many listeners and admirers, the colleagues who so greatly 44 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: respected alan and everything he stood for. All of them 45 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: could continue mourning knowing that the dangerous people behind this 46 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: crime were off the street. It wasn't true justice, after all, 47 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: the Denver District Attorney's office never did file murder charges. 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: But everyone who knew and loved Alan Berg, even some 49 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: of the people who hated Alan Berg, could rest somewhat 50 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: at ease knowing that local and federal investigators had worked 51 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: in tandem to track down Berg's killers. And with that 52 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: came the perfect opportunity to honor Burgh's death by commemorating 53 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: his remarkable life, particularly his massive contribution to Denver media. 54 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: But instead of this well earned memorialization of Berg and 55 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: his work came and nothing at all for years. Then 56 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: finally in twenty twenty. 57 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 7: Two, if everybody wanted to start moving to their seats, 58 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 7: we're going to get started here in a minute. 59 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: It's October eighth, twenty twenty two, and a who's who 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: of local media and Denver have decended on the Sinesta 61 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: Hotel in downtown Denver. About a dozen tables are laid 62 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: out in a hotel ballroom with a small stage placed 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: near the center of the room. The Denver Press Club 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: has invited everyone for its Hall of Fame induction ceremony, 65 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 1: an event the organization hasn't hosted since twenty nineteen because 66 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: of COVID. This year's inductees include Denver Post journalist Sandra Dillard, 67 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: local news anchor Kathy Walsh, longtime columnist Mike Litwin, Denver 68 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: Urban Spectrum founder Rosalind Harris, and almost four decades after 69 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 1: his death, Alan Burke. 70 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 8: My name is Skyler McKinley. 71 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 7: I am thrilled to serve on the Denver Press Club 72 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 7: Board of Directors as treasurer. I'm admittedly a little less 73 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 7: thrilled to announce that I'll be your MC tonight. I'm 74 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 7: so grateful we'll be inducting Alan Burke tonight. As a 75 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 7: student of Colorado history, I've always found burg to be 76 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 7: one of our states' most compelling, most important, least discus 77 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 7: us figures. As it happens, I used to live about 78 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 7: a block from Alan's house, and I'd walk by that 79 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 7: sad monument to that great man almost daily. I would 80 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 7: share Alan's story to anyone who was with me on 81 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 7: one of those walks, and I mean anyone, including very 82 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 7: recently a Peloton delivery person parked in that very driveway 83 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 7: who promptly and in a very concerned tone asked me 84 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 7: to leave them alone. 85 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: It's a nice evening and a pleasant acknowledgment for each 86 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: of the nights on our Ease, Berg's friends and colleagues, 87 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: Peter Boyles and Susan Ryman speak to those in attendance, 88 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: along with longtime journalists and current city councilman Kevin Flynn. 89 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: Flynn even wrote a book about the Order with his 90 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 1: co writer Gary Gerhardt that was entitled The Silent Brotherhood, 91 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 1: which was adapted into a film about the Order that 92 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: opened in theaters last year. Here are some of Susan 93 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: Ryman and Peter Boyle's heartfelt comments from the Big Night. 94 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 8: You know, Allan was just a magic on earth. He 95 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 8: just knew what topic people wanted to talk about. They 96 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 8: simply know. It's almost like they were sitting in a 97 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 8: restaurant and they were listening to what the people were 98 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 8: talking about at the other table, and then they'd come 99 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 8: back into work and they'd go on the air and 100 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 8: that's what they talk about. Because their job is simply 101 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,559 Speaker 8: keep that audience to idiot. 102 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 9: He never got up. He never could make an early show, 103 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 9: and so he always had afternoons or mid mornings Gate 104 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 9: and he always had these crazy cars like Bricklands and 105 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 9: the Lareans and just nonsensemobiles. And when we were busy, 106 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 9: he had the Laurean, but the door wouldn't open, so 107 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 9: he would pull in the alley, blow the horn, and 108 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 9: a board off would go out and open the door 109 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 9: seat and get out. 110 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 7: And we're able to honor Alan Bert tonight because of 111 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 7: Peter Boyle's tireless commitment to making sure that generations of 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 7: Coloraden's know why bird mattered. About a year ago, my 113 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 7: friend and Lakewood mare Adam Paul heard Peter talking on 114 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 7: his radio show about the fact that Alan wasn't in 115 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 7: our Hall of fame. Had him texted me? He texted 116 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 7: me immediately, and because of him, Peter, Kevin Flynn and 117 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 7: executive director Albi Siegel's work were able to honor Allenburg tonight. 118 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 9: They've denied the guy I mean, and I finally went, 119 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 9: there's a guy named Dean Singleton who owned the Denver 120 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 9: Post and we're dear, dear friends. He he's an MS 121 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 9: and this is he's my Rabbi. I talked to Dean 122 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 9: about everything, and I so Dean's going in the hall. 123 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 9: This is like four years ago, and he's in a chair. 124 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 9: This is a remarkable man. And so I go to 125 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 9: the Press Club and I really stay away from these people. 126 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 9: And so this board is there, and I want, can 127 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 9: I ask you something because I'm you know, I'm on 128 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 9: an up And I said, why isn't he here? Well, 129 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 9: they start double clutching me. I said, no, the guy 130 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 9: killed for what he did. You should have him in 131 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 9: your hall of fame. And I get these guys and said, 132 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 9: you don't have ab in here. Tell what's wrong with you? 133 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 9: And then kind of looking at each other, I said, 134 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 9: are you afraid of him? 135 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 10: What are you afraid of? 136 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 9: The guy was murdered for what we do for a 137 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 9: lima and he's not in your Hall of Fame. And 138 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 9: he's not in the press club hall of fame, he's 139 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 9: not marked in the city. And I don't care about me, 140 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 9: I care about him. I mean, I'm just some other 141 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 9: idiot that did a radio show. But this guy, it's 142 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 9: a different boogie. 143 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm journalist and filmmaker Talkonschewski And this is episode ten 144 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: honoring alan There are plenty of phrases you could use 145 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: to describe alan Berg's posthumous induction into the Denver Press 146 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: Club Hall of Fame, but foremost among them would have 147 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: to be long overdue. 148 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 9: So what happened? 149 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: Why did it take so long for anyone in Denver 150 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: to submit the awesome legacy of this important figure in 151 00:08:55,679 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: the city's history with any sort of grand gesture. Former 152 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: colleagues Lori Cantillo and Don Hartenoff well on k Away. 153 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 11: We did produce anniversary broadcasts. I believe there was a 154 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 11: tenth anniversary a show of his death. I agree that 155 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 11: it's crazy that it took what forty years to be 156 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 11: recognized by the Colorado Broadcast Hall of Fame. 157 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 12: He was a rebel, you know, he didn't he didn't 158 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 12: kiss all the behinds of all the people that were 159 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 12: involved in it, and so yeah, it took a while 160 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 12: for him to to get that recognition. I don't I 161 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 12: don't know what they're you know, the Colorado Broadcasters, they 162 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 12: should have they should have put him in a few 163 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 12: years after they murdered. But you know, that's just the 164 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 12: way it moves sometimes, right. 165 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: Of course, Allenberg's story is inevitably tied to the Order, 166 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 1: an organization that has since inspired a number of books 167 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: and films telling its story. So while alan Berg's legacy 168 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: is still being secured decades later, the Order's legacy has 169 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:10,839 Speaker 1: been cemented for some time. 170 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 11: Until Alan's death, I did not know the extent of 171 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 11: white supremacy in America, and I think many of us 172 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 11: made the mistake of assuming that when Barack Obama was 173 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 11: elected president, that we had set all of that aside. 174 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 11: But now we know better. We know that with the 175 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 11: election of Donald Trump, that those who are on the 176 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 11: far right felt empowered. January sixth happened, and those attitudes 177 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 11: are alive and well today, unfortunately, to the detriment of 178 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 11: our country and the world. Really, I do find myself 179 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 11: wondering what would Alan be thinking about what's happening in 180 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 11: our country today, And I do his voice because he 181 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 11: was always there, you know, fighting for those who had 182 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 11: no voice, who had been marginalized in our society. It's 183 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 11: more of a threat today than it was then. 184 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: Sadly, Lori Cantillo makes a good point when it comes 185 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: to domestic terrorism, it does appear that groups are largely 186 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: emulating organizations like the order. According to a twenty twenty 187 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: four research project funded by the National Institute of Justice, 188 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: far right extremists have committed far more ideologically motivated homicides 189 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: than far left or radical Islamist extremists since nineteen ninety. 190 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: The study counts two hundred and twenty seven such attacks, 191 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: leading to more than five hundred and twenty deaths. 192 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 13: I have sayan things in my life, and I have 193 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 13: a couple of times really thought I was singing UFO. 194 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 13: So I'm not discounting the possiblit of UFO. 195 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 10: Did you really? 196 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 9: Oh? 197 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 13: No question, No, I really had it. 198 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 7: Lop. 199 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 13: What I'm doing research like a huge bagel. It was 200 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 13: a huge bagel. Right in the middle is hello, you're 201 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 13: a Jewish person. We're going to have it right now. 202 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 13: This is true with it, I was going the big 203 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 13: delegatests in this guy well where. 204 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: By the time of his death in nineteen eighty four, 205 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: alan Berg had truly enraptured the city of Denver. He 206 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: was a radio institution by then, his face appearing on 207 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: numerous billboards around the city. But this star was beginning 208 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: to shine outside Denver as well, especially after he was 209 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: featured in a sixty minute segment about the shock jock 210 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: phenomenon that had taken over mainstream radio. 211 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 2: You say yourself, you often go on there, you don't 212 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: know quite what you're gonna say. 213 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 13: Hopefully my legal training will prevent me from saying the 214 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 13: one thing that will kill me, and I've come awfully close. 215 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: So it's natural to wonder. With his reach expanding with 216 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: each passing day, his influence growing more and more, have 217 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: the Order not hunted down alan Berg? Have they not 218 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: silenced him forever for being so outspoken? Where would his 219 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 1: career and you have taken him? Here are Rhyman and Heartsnoff, 220 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: followed by former KOA station manager Lee Larson. 221 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 8: He would be syndicated today. I would have followed him anywhere. 222 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 8: I would have had so much pleasure of producing his 223 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 8: show and just watching his mind work. And most of 224 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 8: the time I just shake my head and think, why 225 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 8: didn't I think of that? That's crazy, that's crazy smart radio. 226 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 8: But yeah, he haunts me. He's with me every day. 227 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 8: I don't think there's a day that goes by I 228 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 8: don't think of Alanberg. It's just he's always there. We 229 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 8: were robbed, all. 230 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 12: Of us, you know. Ten years later, the whole industry. 231 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 12: He'd have been he'd have been syndicated across the country, 232 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:53,599 Speaker 12: I believe, on multiple multiple radio stations, because iHeart J 233 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 12: Corr came in and they bought multiple stations, and you know, 234 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 12: you'd have had burned doing shows around the country. I 235 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 12: belief because he was he was that kind of he 236 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 12: would have refined his art to you know, be as 237 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 12: aggressive without without really irritating all the people just a 238 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 12: couple you know, you'd rEFInd it, I think. And because 239 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 12: he was very intelligent on his show and his delivery. 240 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 12: He was very intelligent, and every time he'd comment generally 241 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 12: it made sense. You know, people like, you know he's right, 242 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 12: because he was a shrewd guy, smart, very smart. Yeah, 243 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 12: he was definitely missed. He was definitely missed. I left 244 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 12: left KOA and out my own ad agency in ninety five, 245 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 12: So but he would have he would have been part 246 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 12: of the program, that's for sure. For a number of years, 247 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 12: it was really really sad, really sad. 248 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 10: What could Alan have become. Well, he was murdered in 249 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 10: nineteen eighty four in the early years of talk radio, 250 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 10: when talk radio was still sort of figuring out what 251 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 10: it was going to be. About and I think with 252 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 10: Alan's natural instincts that had he not been murdered, he 253 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 10: would have gone on to be one of those talk 254 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 10: hosts that would have been syndicated all over the country 255 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 10: because of the entertaining value of his show, the charismatic 256 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 10: personality that he could make come through the speaker on 257 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 10: a radio, I think he would have done very very well. 258 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 4: You're the air, Yeah, why don't you you shut your 259 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 4: mouth and get off the air? Well? 260 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 13: Why do you say that? 261 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 14: I say it because you shouldn't be on there? 262 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 13: Why shouldn't I be on you. 263 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 14: Simply because I sit for a lot of other people. 264 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 13: Gera a minute, you let me off. 265 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 14: That's been your crouble. You shoot your mouth off? 266 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: And the other guy that calls in, Why don't you 267 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 2: say anything? 268 00:15:58,200 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 13: Why don't shut up and go off? Why'd you a 269 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 13: dress just that we're talking about? Why ain't you case? 270 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 9: She hung up? 271 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 13: Good, good call. There you're in case. 272 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: Alan Berg may have been part of the first wave 273 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: of shock jocks who ultimately reshaped radio and provided a 274 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: template for all the digital media that would follow, but 275 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: even among his contemporaries in the nineteen eighties, he was 276 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: a true original his unique background as a lawyer, his 277 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: battle with seizures and alcoholism, his colorful personal life and 278 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: numerous passions, the fact that he had seemingly lived multiple 279 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: lives before even contemplating a life in radio. Within the 280 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: group of bold voices who changed everything, he was an 281 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: original among originals, and that's probably why he was so 282 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: good at what he did. 283 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 12: Everybody would love to emulate and be in Alan Berg, 284 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 12: but they nobody can quite get there, you know. And 285 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 12: they and maybe it was the times that allowed it, 286 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 12: you know, but nobody could really pull off even today, 287 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 12: what the charisma Berg had with the way he did 288 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 12: the program, you know. I mean, you're right, they all 289 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 12: want to do it now, but you don't see him 290 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 12: anybody really doing it as well as Alan did. 291 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 9: But he was unique. He was one of a kind. 292 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 9: It wasn't like somebody's going to come along and be 293 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 9: this flamethrower and hit people over the head like Alan. 294 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 9: There was only Allen. 295 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 13: That was it. 296 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 9: And my approach to the business is different, and other 297 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 9: people's approach to the business is different. But I understand 298 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 9: this guy's not school trained. He's not. He just knew 299 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 9: maybe he knew it as a defense attorney. I don't know. 300 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 9: Maybe you knew it as a Jewish kid growing up 301 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 9: in Chicago, and he and his father hated one another. 302 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 9: I don't know, but somewhere along the line, maybe gaining sobriety, 303 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 9: I don't know, he saw it, and when he did, 304 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 9: he got it. 305 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 14: Whatever happened to the alan Berg who specialized in peddling 306 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 14: pernography over the air, I have insulting elderly. 307 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 13: Women, but let's explore that. I don't ever recall selling 308 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 13: pornography on the air, but you make care you might carry. 309 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 14: Remind me, oh, well that was back in khal when 310 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 14: you had that Saturday or what night was it? You 311 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 14: had a dating program? 312 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 13: I certainly had a dating show. I certainly did. 313 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 14: And you'd ask such leading questions, and all of them were. 314 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 13: Supposed to answer the men, give me, give me any was. 315 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 14: Your most embarrassing sexual encounter? 316 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 13: I think that's a very interesting question as a matter 317 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 13: of fact, And what was your best I happen to 318 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 13: specialize in it. I failed a lot, my dear, I 319 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 13: cant understand listening to your voices. Probably you've probably turned 320 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 13: on every man that's come near you. I turned I'm 321 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 13: an elder I imagine in your day, my dear, the 322 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 13: men were passionately aroused by the mere sight of your 323 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 13: body or parts of your body. If you ever, in 324 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 13: fact it'd exposed it, I would guess that you were 325 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,119 Speaker 13: probably a letty who might very well have kept your 326 00:18:58,160 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 13: clothes on. 327 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: During You can't help but notice the irony here that 328 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: someone who was silenced so suddenly before being completely forgotten 329 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 1: has his fingerprints on so much of what we watch 330 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: and listen to today. It certainly helps that all of 331 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: the issues that Alan so passionately discussed on his show, race, sex, immigration, 332 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: the welfare state, government waste, they're the same things we 333 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 1: are still all arguing about decades later. And Berg's cadence 334 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 1: and personality, really his entire approach to radio established a 335 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 1: tone that can be recognized everywhere from cable news to podcasts. 336 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 11: What I learned most from Alan Berg as a radio 337 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 11: broadcaster was the power of one to one communication. So 338 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 11: the old style announcers used to broadcast ladies and gentlemen, 339 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 11: you know, here we are, and you're talking like you're 340 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 11: talking to a stadium full of people. Alan personalized radio. 341 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 11: He made you feel like he was talking to you 342 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 11: and only you. In fact, I recall he said radio 343 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 11: is the last American neighborhood. It was a place where 344 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 11: you could, you know, cozy up on a barstool and 345 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 11: have a conversation with a friend, or you could talk 346 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 11: over the backyard fence like people used to do, or 347 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 11: sit on the front porch and have a conversation. And 348 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 11: I often, as a program director later in my career, 349 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 11: would coach hosts much in that way and say, talk 350 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 11: to me as if you're talking to your best friend. 351 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 11: You know, don't be an announcer, don't try to have 352 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 11: a big male radio voice, but be authentic, be yourself, 353 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 11: make fun of yourself, laugh, self deprecation. There's nothing that 354 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 11: will endear people to you more than self deprecation. And 355 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 11: Alan understood that he did not take himself too seriously. 356 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 11: He made fun of himself and laughed at himself all 357 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 11: the time. But it was his ability to communicate as 358 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 11: if you were the only person in the world that 359 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 11: really stays with me. 360 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 8: For me, Alan was what makes talk radio, talk radio interesting, poignant, relevant, 361 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 8: what holds an audience to a radio station. Alan Berg, 362 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 8: I believe is one of the most brilliant talk shows 363 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 8: that I ever had the pleasure of working with. He 364 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 8: taught me a lot about how to keep an audience 365 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 8: tuned in, how to keep them engaged, how to not 366 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 8: take them for granted, to treat them with respect, and 367 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 8: figure out what is going to keep them tuned into 368 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 8: this radio station. That's what we do every single day. 369 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 8: You have to keep this audience engaged because it's all 370 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 8: about the money, and if you're not keeping them through that, 371 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,719 Speaker 8: they're not buying anything. That's what Allen did. Kept them 372 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 8: through the break, keep them through that quarter hour. Make 373 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 8: sure that, because everything is built on quarter hours, you 374 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 8: have to get them through the commercial to the next break, 375 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 8: and that goes over the quarter hour. He got it. 376 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 8: He got it, but he knew what made people listen. 377 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 4: I'm pretty upset about what the government is doing as 378 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 4: far as bringing in all the repugee. 379 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 13: You know, like people by because they're showing a work 380 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 13: ethic that's better than most Americans. God bless them. Well, No, 381 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 13: I'll make a shake up and do something and work 382 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 13: and earn something and not want a free ride. Sweetheart, 383 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 13: wind what you're on KOA. 384 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: In producing this ten episode arc outlining Ellen Bird's life 385 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: and death, I've consumed hours of archives from his time 386 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 1: on radio, and for me personally, I have to say that, 387 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: by far, the most compelling thing about all of this 388 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: is the extreme dichotomy between alan Berg the radio personality 389 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: and Alan Berg the person Those on air rantings of 390 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: a bold, brash, overconfident, and overcaffeinated loudmouth. A lot of 391 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: it was a defense mechanism for a gentle and humble 392 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: man who spent the better part of his life absolutely 393 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: racked by insecurity. 394 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 11: What people didn't know about alan Berg is that he 395 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 11: was humble, sensitive, I would say, somewhat of an introvert 396 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 11: actually if you were to meet him in person, and 397 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 11: this is true of many really talented radio hosts that 398 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 11: I've worked with, and also that he was outraged by 399 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 11: injustice and really wanted to fight for the underdog. It's 400 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 11: too simplistic to say that alan was just mean and rude. 401 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 11: Many would say he had a heart of gold inside. 402 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 11: You know, he was all to teeth and fangs on 403 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 11: the outside, but inside he was a smellow I. 404 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 8: Mean, his hands, his fingers were this long, his hair 405 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 8: was crazy, he had this jagged pock mark face. He 406 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 8: was tall, he was skinny, he was the not the 407 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 8: kind of man that you would be attracted to on 408 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 8: a physical level, but intellectually that man was attractive as 409 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 8: the kind of guy that you wanted to sit there 410 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 8: and hopefully not have to get too engaged with him 411 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 8: on an intellectual level over lunch. 412 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 14: But he was he was. 413 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 8: He was funny, he was he was funny. But I 414 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,880 Speaker 8: remember him as being kind. You know, I went through 415 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 8: some really tough times right through there, and he was 416 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 8: always so kind to me. He was always kind to me. 417 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: During certain special moments on the air, allen Berg actually 418 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: let his guard down and exposed those insecurities. 419 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 13: If it isn't a labor a level, I want to 420 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 13: vas a. Bob Hawks been a friend of mine for 421 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 13: a long time. And when I'm looking for shoes, and 422 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 13: when you're looking for shoes, if you don't shop j 423 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 13: both danger're missing the only hip shoe star in all 424 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 13: the state of Colorado. Now a lot of people say, what. 425 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 7: Does the hip mean. 426 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 13: Hip means it's the right shoe. It's the correct shoe 427 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 13: to wear. It's not some gimmicky dumb shoe. 428 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't hit. 429 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 13: The brogues are out dummy, don't wear the brogues the 430 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 13: floorshine brogues, you know, the big clunky things the curl 431 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,640 Speaker 13: up in the middle with the short socks. They'll even 432 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 13: say your long socks so your hairy legs won't hang 433 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 13: out there. And the girl looked down at you that 434 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 13: you're trying to pull around and say, anyway, the point 435 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,880 Speaker 13: is he's got some groovy look at shoes. They will 436 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 13: improve your appearance considerably. That I wish he had a 437 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 13: shoe that cover my face will be a bat. And 438 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 13: a lot of listeners said, you're not kidding turkey anyway, 439 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 13: but I love Bob Hockey. You're a terrific guy. 440 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 8: No, I'm really bad at sex, Susan really bad at sex. 441 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 8: And I said, well, how do you determine that you 442 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 8: need to sit up? And I think it's because he 443 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 8: just didn't feel like he was attractive. I would a 444 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 8: woman want to make love to someone that unattractive. 445 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: Of all the friends and colleagues of Alan Berg who 446 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: contributed to this product, none has been more vehement in 447 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: their championing of Bergs legacy than Peter Boyles. Peter has 448 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: been a radio institution in Denver since the nineteen seventies 449 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: and can still be heard hosting his show on kN US. 450 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: He played a primary role in Berg's induction into the 451 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: Denver Press Club's Hall of Fame and continues to fight 452 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: for Berg's memory. 453 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 9: This is why I'm glad you're here. I want you here. 454 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 9: I want like I've struggled. Now he's going to go 455 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 9: in the Press Club Hall of Fame. There are some 456 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 9: people say, oh, we get him in a national Hall 457 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 9: of fame. Okay, that's great. I want to get the 458 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 9: city to Marcus death. They won't do it. I mean 459 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 9: I've tried, and of course it's me and the mayor 460 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 9: and all the series of mirrors since have not been 461 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 9: my biggest fan, but that has nothing to do. 462 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,879 Speaker 10: I mean, we need. 463 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 9: A marker, we need a plaque. There's nothing I feel like. 464 00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 9: And the Godfather said, I find about Grain creating the city. 465 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 9: You know, I said, he created all this. There's not 466 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 9: a there's nothing about him. He's gone. And that's why 467 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 9: you guys have to do what you do. Because and 468 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 9: I'm an old guy, and Lee's an old guy, as 469 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 9: Susan's old and we go that's it. 470 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: Naturally, we had to give Alan the final word in 471 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 1: all this, and considering the multitude of archives we uncovered 472 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: in researching this series. Picking just one clip proved difficult, 473 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: but we had to settle on one moment from his 474 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: final days at WBEAZ in Denver, when in an enthusiastic 475 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,920 Speaker 1: caller pleaded with Alan to do what he did best. 476 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 2: And so I'll make it brief and leave, but do 477 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: me a bayrollen, And this is the last day on 478 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 2: the radio for you at BAS. 479 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 13: You've never hung up on me before, but it told 480 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 13: me in an hang up on me. I just did 481 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 13: it before I did my thing. But you know, I'll 482 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 13: pay something my end my hang ups. Believe it or not. 483 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 13: If anybody could ever believe this, it was all men 484 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 13: hopefully to entertain. That was met seriously in a hope 485 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 13: of entertaining the people. It was not really because I 486 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 13: just simply and I'll say this going out and not 487 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 13: looking to save face, because I believe in everything I've 488 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 13: ever done in talk radio. Some of the things that 489 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 13: I've made mistakes on no question, I made a filesand 490 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 13: mistakes in his business. And I'll tell you something, I 491 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 13: appreciate everybody that listened to me and shared in the 492 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 13: show with me. 493 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 2: Good guy, that guy a minute ago one last nime, 494 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 2: get out of here and it. 495 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 10: Just play one on the berg, give them one. 496 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 13: Okay, listen to you turkey, get out all right. 497 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 9: No one isn't there today. 498 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 13: Let me let me I tell your turkeys. That would 499 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 13: be absurd on a day like this, because all of 500 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 13: you made us a happening, and you made me a 501 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 13: happening for a lot of years, and you can't help 502 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 13: but love those people. 503 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Live Wire the loud life 504 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: and shocking murder of Alan Burg. The series was produced 505 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: in memory of the late Stephen Singular and Judith Burg. 506 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: I'd personally like to acknowledge the contribution of everyone we 507 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: interviewed for this series and thank them for their time. 508 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: They are David Heckenbuck, Donald Hartanoff, Lori Cantillo, Lee Larson, 509 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: Peter Boyles, Peter Robinson, Susan Ryman, Tom Martino, and Wayne Mannis. 510 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: Special thanks as well to Karen Given the History Colorado Center, 511 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: Nikki Eetore, Anna Stump, and Taylor Checoyne. And a gentle 512 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: reminder to leave a review of the series and share 513 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: it with your friends. 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