Speaker 1: So I turned a corner with Indy's It's very specific.
Speaker 2: For the first time, he introduced me to something that
Speaker 2: I think is culturally so freaking cool.
Speaker 1: And sophisticated, and because you know, like you're always introducing
Speaker 1: stuff to your kid, and Indy's always introducing stuff to me.
Speaker 2: And most of the time I'm like, yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 1: For a kid, Like whatever he's into, I'm like, yeah, whatever,
Speaker 1: or I freaking hate it because it's my numbing and
Speaker 1: it's meme culture, which is mostly what he introduces me to,
Speaker 1: and I can't stand it. But this last week he
Speaker 1: was like, will you watched this YouTube show with me?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I freaking hate Youtuo. Like we've
Speaker 1: had a no YouTube rule in our house. I just
Speaker 1: don't let him go down those rabbit holes. But you
Speaker 1: can't avoid it. There's just too much of it. So
Speaker 1: he was like, trust me, I figure.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He kept fighting for this. Alex was out of town.
Speaker 1: It was just the two us, so I finally was like, Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: let's watch this thing he puts on, this show called
Speaker 1: The Amazing Digital Circus. It starts off, it's all CGI animation,
Speaker 1: it's insanity, it's visually chaotic. It's very hard to keep
Speaker 1: up with. There's a lot of like eyeball stuff, like
Speaker 1: characters messing with their eyeballs. That makes me very uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with skin starts crawling just looking at it. It's super fast,
Speaker 1: like like a lot of the YouTube meme culture stuff
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, like characters, and there's like
Speaker 1: fifteen characters introduced right away.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's happening.
Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortable in ways that like Ran and
Speaker 1: Stimpy used to make me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: I have come to this show so much.
Speaker 1: By the end of the season, there's only been eight episodes.
Speaker 1: They are now getting a theatrical release.
Speaker 4: Because it is it's all animated. Dude, it is.
Speaker 2: You have to watch the show.
Speaker 1: This is the most sophisticated, incredible writing I've encountered in
Speaker 1: so long. And it took like by episode three, I
Speaker 1: was like, actually, India, I think this is like awesome,
Speaker 1: and I'm and he's like see, and I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of him for like love it because it's actually very adult.
Speaker 1: It's not a kid's show. It looks like a kid's show.
Speaker 1: It's very but it is super dramatic it is very
Speaker 1: heavy and psychologically dark.
Speaker 5: What is it about?
Speaker 1: So it's basically and this is this goes back to like,
Speaker 1: you know, when I try to show Indie the Matrix,
Speaker 1: he was like, this is the most boring thing in
Speaker 1: the world because the idea of like being an avatar,
Speaker 1: like the idea of like being inside of a virtual
Speaker 1: world is so basic for kids. Now, like that's free guy,
Speaker 1: that's avatar. That's like the Matrix is like that, like
Speaker 1: the idea of you're living in a simulation. This takes
Speaker 1: that to the next level. So it's a character of
Speaker 1: a human presumable you never see them because you're in
Speaker 1: the oh it's first person. No, she just shows up
Speaker 1: as a character with a body that she did not choose,
Speaker 1: and she is trapped inside a virtual circus where anything's possible,
Speaker 1: and she's being held captive by an AI. And this
Speaker 1: AI is this scary looking, crazy character named Cain who
Speaker 1: is somehow capturing people. The only thing you know is
Speaker 1: that at one point these people who you very drips
Speaker 1: and drabs get their backstory. At some point they put
Speaker 1: on a virtual headset and they can't take it off,
Speaker 1: so you know, AI but against their will, right and
Speaker 1: they're being held captive by an ai and I am
Speaker 1: not by the By the third or fourth episode, you
Speaker 1: will start going like, oh my god, they have planted seats.
Speaker 1: It's written by somebody who has remaining anonymous. It's a
Speaker 1: woman who goes by Gooseworks. It's an Australian show. It
Speaker 1: is genius. So wait, you didn't have it. It's all animation, Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like it's like, basically, I haven't like
Speaker 1: Rick and Morty is like the closest to the sort
Speaker 1: of self conscious, incredible storytelling that you get from this thing.
Speaker 2: But it's dark and like, like.
Speaker 1: I said, like it still doesn't make me super comfortable
Speaker 1: with some of the animation choices, but it's all in
Speaker 1: the service of like, I'm just so happy that now
Speaker 1: Indy's introducing me to stuff and like I totally trust
Speaker 1: his taste out because he was like insistent. He's like, Dad,
Speaker 1: you're gonna like this, and I was so happy that I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, dude, you're right, I.
Speaker 2: Love this, Like I am so yeah.
Speaker 1: So I feel like we're at that age now where
Speaker 1: he's going to just be introducing me to stuff and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like trust him because it's worth it.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but anyway, check out the show.
Speaker 5: It's incredible Digital Animal Circus, No.
Speaker 2: The Amazing Digital Circus.
Speaker 5: The amazing Digital service.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The humor is there, like it is. It's so funny.
Speaker 5: It's inappropriate for my six year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty much inappropriate for eleven year olds.
Speaker 1: It's really like it looks and feels like, you know,
Speaker 1: like like some of the best adult cartoons, right, it
Speaker 1: looks and feels like a kid's show, and there's elements
Speaker 1: of it. Like basically, Cain the AI is saying he's
Speaker 1: trying to keep them entertained by by giving them adventures
Speaker 1: every week, and each adventure is like some crazy, out
Speaker 1: there thing that he's come up with to like keep
Speaker 1: them occupied.
Speaker 2: And they're just trying to escape the whole time.
Speaker 5: Right, But man, it is so he's the one who's entertained.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh, you guys got to check it out. That's incredible.
Speaker 4: All right, I'm down for that.
Speaker 5: Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Daniel Fishal, I'm writer Strong,
Speaker 5: and I'm wil Fredell.
Speaker 7: Over the past three years of the podcast, when booking
Speaker 7: from Boy Meets World past we will take guests however
Speaker 7: they come. There were obviously writers, producers and guest stars
Speaker 7: that we've kept in touch with, the Blutman's, the mccrackens,
Speaker 7: the Matt Lawrence's, the Deities. There were those that were
Speaker 7: just an email away, the David Trainers, the Danny McNulty's,
Speaker 7: the Lee Norrises.
Speaker 5: There were people we personally.
Speaker 7: Hunted down, the Dusties, the Julie Yang Silvers, the cow Pens.
Speaker 7: We had people pitch themselves, We hounded publicists, We signed
Speaker 7: up for LinkedIn for Christ's sakes. But this week we
Speaker 7: have a new way through the praise of Jeff Mannel.
Speaker 7: When we asked him the writer he was saddesst to
Speaker 7: see leave through the show's always revolving door, he answered
Speaker 7: with a name we had never focused on before, even
Speaker 7: though we had obviously recapped his episodes by that point.
Speaker 5: The name just didn't ring a bell.
Speaker 7: Jeff explained, this guy just never really got a chance
Speaker 7: to shine on staff. But more importantly, the staunch vegetarian
Speaker 7: once dressed as a chicken to protest the crew's incessant
Speaker 7: desire to order cuckaroo for lunch every day, And well,
Speaker 7: then we knew we had to bring him on to
Speaker 7: Podmeats World. He's a playwright, screenwriter, director, and author who
Speaker 7: has written or co written more than a dozen books
Speaker 7: advocating a diet of whole plant foods, books like Food
Speaker 7: Is Climate.
Speaker 5: And America Goes.
Speaker 7: Vegan started with just an online guide to vegan restaurants
Speaker 7: in the late nineties and a website, HappyCow dot com.
Speaker 7: But in Hollywood, he began his career on Saint Elsewhere,
Speaker 7: China Beach, and the TV adaptation of Parenthood, before landing
Speaker 7: on Blossom, where he wrote nine episodes and functioned as
Speaker 7: a supervising producer for seasons two through four.
Speaker 5: And he recently wrote and directed a movie, Buddhist Blues,
Speaker 5: which we will hear all about.
Speaker 7: But today we are forcing him to focus on the
Speaker 7: one year he worked on Boy Meets World, penning a
Speaker 7: few bangers, pairing off Wake Up Little Corey and Danger
Speaker 7: Boy for season two, and yes, also the time he
Speaker 7: dressed as a chicken to make sure everyone knew how
Speaker 7: he felt about the constantly devoured rotisserie Coombo from Cuckaroo.
Speaker 7: Welcome to Pod Meets World, write producer and activist Glenn Mercer.
Speaker 6: Hi, Oh, how are you good? Do any of you
Speaker 6: actually remember me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. Yes.
Speaker 8: Of course you were kids, Yeah, so were you.
Speaker 6: I was in my thirties, you were kids.
Speaker 7: Glenn, thank you so much for joining us. As you know,
Speaker 7: our pal Jeff Manel name dropped you as the writer
Speaker 7: he missed the most through the seven seasons we worked
Speaker 7: on the show, and we became instantly intrigued. So we're
Speaker 7: not going to bury the lead here. We want to
Speaker 7: see what you remember from the infamous Kukoroo incident where
Speaker 7: you dressed as a chicken. My first question is did
Speaker 7: you own the chicken outfit or was it a rental?
Speaker 6: I asked somebody in the costume department to help me outs.
Speaker 5: What did you say? I want to know. I want
Speaker 5: to know what set this off?
Speaker 7: What was what was what sparked the kernel of an
Speaker 7: idea in your mind?
Speaker 6: Well? I am a vegan, yes, and in fact, in
Speaker 6: the thirty two years I think since I worked on
Speaker 6: Boy Meets World, I have turned the world vegan. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you ever wondered who turned the world vegan?
Speaker 8: That was me?
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, congratulation.
Speaker 6: And so the staff seemed to love the fried chicken
Speaker 6: from this place called Cuckaroo.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, we remember it well.
Speaker 6: I was appalled. So when they said they're going to
Speaker 6: have the CEO of Cuckaroo come visit and watch the show,
Speaker 6: I you know, I snuck down to the costume department
Speaker 6: and asked them to help me out give me a
Speaker 6: chicken outfit, and I made a sign at home that
Speaker 6: said chickens are people too. And I wore the chicken
Speaker 6: costume and I held that sign. And I have not
Speaker 6: been on the Christmas list of the CEO of Cuckaroo
Speaker 6: ever since.
Speaker 5: Was that on a tape night or did he come
Speaker 5: for a rehearsal? We didn't. I don't think we knew
Speaker 5: the information about the CEO.
Speaker 6: I'm guessing he came on a tape night he wanted
Speaker 6: to see the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how did we not get to know that the
Speaker 4: CEO of Cuckaroo?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 6: I know. When you when you're when you got a
Speaker 6: top show in show business, you just meet all kinds
Speaker 6: of people.
Speaker 5: I love that. That.
Speaker 7: That is the Our writers were like, which ceo can
Speaker 7: we get down here?
Speaker 4: That's important? We walk the guy from Cuckaro. Oh he
Speaker 4: was gettable. Let's be honest. Cuckaroo was gettable.
Speaker 5: Did any of the other writers know you were going
Speaker 5: to do this. Was it a secret you kept?
Speaker 6: Oh? Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2: How did it go over?
Speaker 1: Did it upset anybody or was it just well, I
Speaker 1: think the cuckaroo guy was upset, but that I don't
Speaker 1: know about anyone else.
Speaker 6: All I know is I wasn't writing for boy Meates
Speaker 6: World the next few years.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 7: They were like, I can't believe he pissed off the
Speaker 7: CEO of our favorite lunch place.
Speaker 4: And then it chucked him out and Cooker and then Cooker.
Speaker 1: But this gets to my big question, like what was
Speaker 1: your relationship like with the writers?
Speaker 6: Like what? Oh? Yeah, I mean because I was very
Speaker 6: fond of the two Jeffs. Sure, I was very fond
Speaker 6: of a guy named Howard bust Gang.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Howard is great, you know, and I.
Speaker 6: Thought I got along okay, But you know, I was
Speaker 6: only there for a half year, so really was currently
Speaker 6: not with everybody?
Speaker 4: Wait, so you were only there for half a season?
Speaker 6: Only there for half I wrote three episodes in a half.
Speaker 2: Season, wow, which is actually.
Speaker 1: A lot for there for half a Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean obviously everyone thought you were funny.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Were you originally hired for the full season and then
Speaker 4: they just came to you and well.
Speaker 6: Know, when you get hired and television, you get a
Speaker 6: deal that says you will you know, this will be
Speaker 6: your pay and the company has the option to pick
Speaker 6: you up or not at a certain point.
Speaker 5: Wow, did you so? How soon after the Kuckaroo incident
Speaker 5: were you let go?
Speaker 6: Oh? That I don't remember, but I do remember this.
Speaker 6: There was when I had written my first couple of episodes,
Speaker 6: which was during the summer, you know, before you guys
Speaker 6: came in with the staff. Was writing and my agent
Speaker 6: did what agents do. He called up one of the
Speaker 6: one of my bosses and I had a few and said,
Speaker 6: how's Glenn doing? And the person apparently said, Glenn's writing
Speaker 6: is very good, but he's not doing as much as
Speaker 6: we would expect on the production side for a supervising producer.
Speaker 6: So I said to my agent, well, thanks for letting
Speaker 6: me know. And I went to that guy's office, no names,
Speaker 6: and I said, I understand that you told my agent
Speaker 6: that I'm not doing as much on the production side
Speaker 6: as expected. And he said yeah, and I said, we're
Speaker 6: not in production.
Speaker 5: What do you want from me?
Speaker 6: So I had a feeling that something was in for
Speaker 6: me at that point, and so I wasn't too shocked
Speaker 6: when they let me go at mid season.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 6: And even when we went into production, was I supposed
Speaker 6: to hang the lights? I don't know what I was
Speaker 6: supposed to So the costumes, I don't know. You know,
Speaker 6: they they give writers titles executive producer, supervising producer, producer,
Speaker 6: co producer, And I'm sure the public wonders, what are
Speaker 6: all these titles? What does it mean? So let me
Speaker 6: finally explain it for the listening public so they know.
Speaker 6: Very often, surprisingly enough, writers are fairly intelligent people. They
Speaker 6: could have gone out into the real world and gotten
Speaker 6: real jobs. So to keep their parents happy, their parents
Speaker 6: don't want to say my son, my daughter is a
Speaker 6: writer on a TV show, My son is supervising producing, right, right,
Speaker 6: So that's what the titles are for. It's for the parents.
Speaker 5: That makes sense. That makes sense. And doesn't it also
Speaker 5: have something to do with the guilds.
Speaker 6: Maybe, but you know there are parents in the guilds.
Speaker 5: That makes sense, the parents in the guilds. Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 4: So you came on in season two, had you were
Speaker 4: you familiar with boy Me's world when when you got
Speaker 4: the job, or.
Speaker 8: Had you No, you didn't didn't know the show at all.
Speaker 6: No, I had written for Block Awesome, Okay, And I
Speaker 6: guess somebody figured it's a natural segue from Blossom to
Speaker 6: boy meets World.
Speaker 4: Yeah that makes sense, that makes sense.
Speaker 8: They're they're the same, They're in the same kind of
Speaker 8: vein young family sitcom teenage or young teenage protagonist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 7: But I want to get in a little bit to
Speaker 7: your origin story, because you actually started in stand up right, right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 7: So your first television credits are then Saint Elsewhere and
Speaker 7: China Beach, right, which hardly funny material, Right, How did
Speaker 7: that come about? How did you go from stand up
Speaker 7: to Saint Elsewhere?
Speaker 6: I went from stand up to writing stage plays. I
Speaker 6: did stand up in San Francisco in the heyday of
Speaker 6: San Francisco. It was Dana Carvey and Robin Williams had
Speaker 6: just left town and gotten discovered, and it was a
Speaker 6: Whitney Brown and a lot of great comics. So there
Speaker 6: were actually three levels of comedians in San Francisco when
Speaker 6: I was there in the early eighties. There were the
Speaker 6: headliners like Dana Carvey. There were the open and that
Speaker 6: was the top level. The third level. The bottom level
Speaker 6: was the open micers, and the middle level consisted of me.
Speaker 6: I amc the open mics.
Speaker 4: Okay, that was the.
Speaker 6: Middle level, and once in a while I would open
Speaker 6: for somebody like Dana. So it did stand up for
Speaker 6: about two years in San Francisco, and I could not
Speaker 6: take the cigarette smoke. You know, in those days they
Speaker 6: smoked in the clubs, and I just couldn't take it.
Speaker 6: So I thought, I'll write plays. And I got a
Speaker 6: fellowship to Indiana University to be a playwright. And there
Speaker 6: was something called the American College Theater Festival. I don't
Speaker 6: know if it probably still exists, where they would send
Speaker 6: judges around the country to see productions and then the
Speaker 6: winning play would go to. In those days it was
Speaker 6: called the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts. It still
Speaker 6: didn't have any other presidents. So I wrote a play
Speaker 6: called The Cashier and it won and it went to
Speaker 6: the Kennedy Center. And I said to myself, what if
Speaker 6: I switched schools and I go to another school and
Speaker 6: I do another play and I win again, then maybe
Speaker 6: somebody will notice. So I went to the University of Alabama.
Speaker 6: I wrote a play called A Morphous George and I
Speaker 6: entered it in the festival and I won again, Oh
Speaker 6: my god, and it went to the Kennedy Center, and
Speaker 6: I was wrong. Nobody noticed. But this time the prize
Speaker 6: was not for the best play. It was for the
Speaker 6: best comedy. And the prize was to go to Hollywood
Speaker 6: and write the stupidest sitcom. So that's what brought me
Speaker 6: to Hollywood. I wrote an episode of something called The
Speaker 6: Facts of Life Are Kidding.
Speaker 4: We take the good, we take the bad, we take
Speaker 4: them all and then we have come on.
Speaker 5: Did you meet David Kendall there? He worked on that show, right, I.
Speaker 6: Did not meet him. I don't know if George Clooney was.
Speaker 6: He was in the cast at one point. He was
Speaker 6: in the cast when I was there. I didn't know
Speaker 6: to meet him. You know, I should have been paying attention.
Speaker 6: So so I tried to pitch an episode. Because I
Speaker 6: was the prize winning writer, they had to give me
Speaker 6: an episode, but they didn't necessarily have to air it.
Speaker 6: H just had to pay me for it and get
Speaker 6: me into the writer's guild. So the problem was the
Speaker 6: show had been on the air for seven years and
Speaker 6: they couldn't do sex, drugs or rock and roll, and
Speaker 6: they had done everything else. So I would pitch ideas
Speaker 6: and they'd say, no, we did that, No, we did that.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was much much easier for Shakespeare to
Speaker 6: write a Hamlet then seas an episode past the staff
Speaker 6: of Oh my god, it was just it was impossible.
Speaker 6: So finally I came up with an idea and they
Speaker 6: said yes. And it was around Christmas time of that year.
Speaker 6: This is sometime in like the mid eighties, and they
Speaker 6: all had lives, the staff, they had families, and they
Speaker 6: had their job. And I was this prize winning writer
Speaker 6: who came in and I had nothing to do. So
Speaker 6: they said, okay, go home during the Christmas break and
Speaker 6: write an outline and come back. Now I didn't know
Speaker 6: that in the under the rules of the Writers Guild,
Speaker 6: you get paid in three stages. You get paid for
Speaker 6: the outline, which they called the story, then you get
Speaker 6: paid for the first draft, and then the second draft.
Speaker 6: Nobody had explained this to me, So they tell me
Speaker 6: to write the outline. I'd never written an outline before,
Speaker 6: but I figured how long could it take to write
Speaker 6: an outline? A half hour? Right, Yeah, So I decided
Speaker 6: I'll impress them. I'll write the whole episode. I got
Speaker 6: two weeks off with nothing to do. I'm in LA.
Speaker 6: I don't know anyone. I'll write the episode. So I
Speaker 6: wrote the fifty page episode very proudly typed it up.
Speaker 6: It was probably typewriter days. Yeah, typed it up, handed
Speaker 6: it in, you know, the first day back, proudly handed
Speaker 6: into one of the producers of what was the show
Speaker 6: called again Acts of Life? Yeah, And the producer looks
Speaker 6: at it and scowls at me and says, what's this?
Speaker 6: And I said, it's my episode? And he says, where's
Speaker 6: the story?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 6: This was the stupidest question I'd ever heard in my life.
Speaker 6: I said, it's in there. Where else is it gonna be?
Speaker 6: And they just paid me off and sent me home.
Speaker 4: What did they ever shoot your episode?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 6: They were annoyed that I had written the episode instead
Speaker 6: of the outline.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: So when I then I got an agent, I don't
Speaker 6: know within a year after that, and I showed him
Speaker 6: what I wrote, and throughout my ten year writing career
Speaker 6: in Hollywood, he said, you know, I could end your
Speaker 6: career any time I want by distributing your Facts of
Speaker 6: Life episode.
Speaker 2: Because it was actually bad. Is what he was saying.
Speaker 6: It was terrible, I'm sure, but I thought terrible was
Speaker 6: the eye. It was the Facts of Life. What did
Speaker 6: I know?
Speaker 5: So how do you end up on Saint Elsewhere?
Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't on the staff of Saint Elsewhere. I
Speaker 6: got an episode, and I think, just my my agent
Speaker 6: had sent in one of my plays. Yes, I remember, now, yes,
Speaker 6: there's a story there. Okay, okay, there one of you.
Speaker 4: Just write the story, don't write the whole episode, Glens.
Speaker 6: Yeah. One of one of the producers of Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 6: was a wonderful guy named Tom Fontana. Now, I had
Speaker 6: written my play A Morphus George that had won me
Speaker 6: the prize that got me the Facts of Life, right,
Speaker 6: and there was a theater in Buffalo, the Buffalo Stage
Speaker 6: Theater or something Arena stage in Buffalo or something. They had.
Speaker 6: They had called me up. They were interested in doing
Speaker 6: my play, A Morphus George, and they said, we want
Speaker 6: to do a reading of it. Will you come to Buffalo.
Speaker 6: And this was right before my move to La to
Speaker 6: write for television because of the Facts of Life. And
Speaker 6: I said, well, I'm about to do a trip to
Speaker 6: LA so just do the reading. And I hope you
Speaker 6: like it, produce the play. And they said, now we're
Speaker 6: not going to do the reading unless you come. You
Speaker 6: have to be there. And I said, well when are
Speaker 6: you going to do this? And they I had just
Speaker 6: a narrow window of time to go to Buffalo, come back,
Speaker 6: and then fly to LA's. I said, okay, I'll be
Speaker 6: there and I said just for a day or two
Speaker 6: and they said, no for a week. For how long
Speaker 6: are you going to rehearse for a reading? A week?
Speaker 6: We'd want to get this reading right. So I go
Speaker 6: to Buffalo and they had the worst actors I've ever
Speaker 6: dealt with. These were not professional actors. They I don't
Speaker 6: know why. It's a professional equity theater, but they had
Speaker 6: community stage actors ruining my play for a week listening
Speaker 6: to these terrible rehearsals and I just want to go home.
Speaker 6: But everyone I meet in Buffalo says, oh, you're you're
Speaker 6: moving to La. Call Tom Fontana. I don't know. I
Speaker 6: don't know why they all knew this guy, but everyone says,
Speaker 6: you got to call Tom Fontana. He's a great guy.
Speaker 6: So he's in La. Call Tom Fontana. I took a
Speaker 6: bus from Buffalo back to New York as I recall,
Speaker 6: and on the bus, I'm sitting next to a middle
Speaker 6: aged woman and she starts talking to me, and I say, yea,
Speaker 6: I'm moving to La. She says, call Tom Fontana. Everybody said,
Speaker 6: So I'm in La. You know I had screwed up
Speaker 6: on the facts of life. You know, I didn't know anyone.
Speaker 6: The phone wasn't ringing, and I thought, I'll call Tom Fontana.
Speaker 5: What else do I have to do?
Speaker 6: So I had a phone number everyone had given me,
Speaker 6: and I get say't elsewhere Tom Fontana's office. So I said, okay, well,
Speaker 6: please tell Tom that Glenn called everybody in Buffalo wants
Speaker 6: me to speak with him. And he calls me back
Speaker 6: like on a Sunday morning, and talks with me for
Speaker 6: an hour and says, send in a play. Well, Tom
Speaker 6: Fontana was a playwright working in television, and he respected
Speaker 6: the fact that I was a playwright. When I sent
Speaker 6: in a play, he read it and he gave me
Speaker 6: an episode wow, saying elsewhere, bless his heart.
Speaker 4: Did you actually go to the set or did you
Speaker 4: just write it and send it in?
Speaker 6: I wrote it. I met in. It was Bruce Paltrow's office.
Speaker 6: He was not there but the Gwyneth's father's office, and
Speaker 6: there were two wonderful guys there named John Tinker and
Speaker 6: Channing Gibson, and they gave me the story. They said,
Speaker 6: just write these four stories. It's like they gave me
Speaker 6: the outline. Write these four stories. Don't integrate them. Just
Speaker 6: write them one after the other and will integrate them
Speaker 6: for you.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 6: So I wrote those four stories and handed it in
Speaker 6: and I came back and they gave me notes, and
Speaker 6: I did it again, and they were apparently very happy
Speaker 6: with what I wrote, and they went on to recommend
Speaker 6: me to other you know, I did a show for
Speaker 6: David Milch and other people. They recommended me. So that
Speaker 6: was nice. But then when I tune in the episode
Speaker 6: that I wrote, I'm going to see now my episode
Speaker 6: on television. And I was supposed to like write a
Speaker 6: love story between a nurse and a doctor and write
Speaker 6: about a guy with a heart attack. Is I'm going
Speaker 6: to tune in to see my episode and there's a
Speaker 6: transplant of a heart from a sheep. And I call
Speaker 6: up Tinker. I said, you didn't tell me to write sheep.
Speaker 6: I can write sheep. You didn't want to. Why didn't
Speaker 6: you tell me to write the sheep. I can write
Speaker 6: sheep and he said, you know, I'm sorry, but you know,
Speaker 6: when we do the whole arc of the storyline for
Speaker 6: the year, we changed everything and that was that. So
Speaker 6: they recommended me, but they changed everything and they put
Speaker 6: in a sheep wow.
Speaker 3: Just add sheep wow. So how long after that?
Speaker 7: How long do you because then you end up on
Speaker 7: Blossom and that's like, you know, you're kind of living
Speaker 7: the comedy writer's dream at that point. I would imagine
Speaker 7: when do you join Blossom.
Speaker 6: What happened was after I did, I freelanced for a
Speaker 6: couple of years. I had one year when I freelanced
Speaker 6: like eight or ten scripts. Probably probably now there's nobody
Speaker 6: in Hollywood's freelancing. It's because in those days they use freelancers.
Speaker 6: They don't now, And it was it was a lot
Speaker 6: of scripts. But after that I got Parenthood with my
Speaker 6: friend Ed Begley Jr.
Speaker 4: Also with Alison Gibson.
Speaker 8: We just talked her about this, so Alison was what
Speaker 8: wrote on Parenthood as well.
Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, so I got and Josh Josh Sweden who
Speaker 6: went on to do a few other things one or
Speaker 6: two Josh was there, so yeah. I worked with jos
Speaker 6: and Allison and a guy named Ty King. So I
Speaker 6: did Parenthood for a year and then and Parenthood actually
Speaker 6: they let go after a half year. So then my
Speaker 6: agent said, oh, you're You're hot. Everybody wants to work
Speaker 6: with you. We should have no problem. I got so
Speaker 6: many show runners interested in hiring you. You'll get a
Speaker 6: job this year, no problem. And he gets me like
Speaker 6: eight interviews with showrunners who were apparently all interested in
Speaker 6: hiring And with every showrunner, I went into the interview
Speaker 6: and I did my best, you know, but I'm not
Speaker 6: like a natural high energy guy. And I would come
Speaker 6: back and call my agent and say, did you speak
Speaker 6: to the showrunner? And my agent would say yeah, he
Speaker 6: said he liked you very much and he likes your writing,
Speaker 6: but you're too low energy. And my agent told me
Speaker 6: that eight times in a row. The eighth time he
Speaker 6: suggested coffee, and he kept telling me I'm too low energy.
Speaker 6: He said, now the eight of them have turned you
Speaker 6: down for being too low energy. I got one more
Speaker 6: for you now. Oh, I hope I could remember her name.
Speaker 6: I don't think I can remember her name. But there
Speaker 6: was a woman who had a pilot I think it
Speaker 6: was going to be for CBS. You're going to think
Speaker 6: I'm making this up. I am not making this up.
Speaker 6: It was a pilot that had been ordered I guess,
Speaker 6: not picked up yet for the season. But it was
Speaker 6: a pilot that had been ordered about a woman in
Speaker 6: a coma, I swear, and we were going to somehow
Speaker 6: see her thoughts and then the we would hear the
Speaker 6: dialogue of the people in the house who were not
Speaker 6: in a coma.
Speaker 5: You have the perfect energy for.
Speaker 6: That for the Janice Hirsch Janice Okay, sure, yeah, of course,
Speaker 6: good writer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, great writer.
Speaker 6: So I go in for this meeting with Janice Hirsh
Speaker 6: and I had coffee that morning, Oh my gosh, and
Speaker 6: I never had coffee before. And I did everything I could,
Speaker 6: and I went back and I called my agent and
Speaker 6: I said, what did Jennie say? And he said, she says,
Speaker 6: you're too low energy. Oh my god, I was too
Speaker 6: low energy for a coma.
Speaker 8: Thank god they didn't ask you to do cokey.
Speaker 6: I was ready to give it up. And then my
Speaker 6: agent calls and says, all right, I got you one more.
Speaker 6: Don Rio, who runs Blossom, He's willing to meet you.
Speaker 6: He hasn't heard yet about your energy? Do what you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I meet with Don and I was very tired
Speaker 6: that morning. I didn't sleep well knowing that I'd just
Speaker 6: blown nine interviews in a row. And I'm trying to
Speaker 6: keep my eyes open asking questions about Blossom and answering
Speaker 6: Don's questions. Don's a great guy, by the way, and uh,
Speaker 6: I'm just I know I'm blowing it. This was my
Speaker 6: worst interview of all time. And finally I said Don,
Speaker 6: I'm going to stop the interview right here. I'm stopping it.
Speaker 6: I've just blown eight interviews, and I tell him my
Speaker 6: low energy problem. And I told him I was too
Speaker 6: low energy for a coma show, and he hired me.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 6: The other eight shows were all off the air within
Speaker 6: six weeks, and Blossom was three years.
Speaker 5: So there you go.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Wow, low energy for a coma show.
Speaker 7: And so how does Boy Meets World enter your life?
Speaker 7: Did you meet with Bob Tishler, Did you meet with Michael?
Speaker 7: What was that first intro to Boy Meets World?
Speaker 6: You know, I don't remember. I don't remember if I
Speaker 6: had a meeting with Michael or they just hired me.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 7: What memory do you have from that that writer's room.
Speaker 7: You're half a season in the writer's room that don't
Speaker 7: involve a chicken suit.
Speaker 6: I remember Howard bust Gang, who now apparently has a deli.
Speaker 5: He does does he does Canada?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we want to go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and you know, I'm going to have to talk
Speaker 6: with him for the first time in thirty years because
Speaker 6: there's nothing vegan on the menu.
Speaker 4: So there's water.
Speaker 6: I think it has some cornby flavoring.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So the staff, when you know, the writer writing staff
Speaker 6: went out for launch, or a group of us did,
Speaker 6: and we're walking back in and you know, people may
Speaker 6: not realize this, but when you're doing a show at
Speaker 6: Disney and you're walking back to your office, you're making
Speaker 6: a left turn at Mickey mass Mouse Avenue and a
Speaker 6: right turn on Donald Duck Lane, and it's very hard
Speaker 6: to feel like an adult. But we go into the office,
Speaker 6: and let's say it was a group of five of us,
Speaker 6: and four of us walk in the door and start
Speaker 6: walking up the stairs to our office, and Howard bust
Speaker 6: Gang just stays in the lobby and he's staring at
Speaker 6: a photograph and I said, Howard, come on, we gotta
Speaker 6: work and he's just staring at a photograph saying this
Speaker 6: is wrong, this is wrong. So I go over to him.
Speaker 6: It's a photograph of Walt Disney, and I say, what's wrong.
Speaker 6: He says, oh, this is wrong. What what's wrong? He says,
Speaker 6: somebody drew a Hitler mustache on him. And I say, Howard,
Speaker 6: that's Walt Disney's mustache. No, that's Adolph's mustache. No, Howard,
Speaker 6: that's Walt Disney.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: All right, are you the first person to compare Walt
Speaker 5: Disney and you know.
Speaker 6: The story?
Speaker 4: Did you so? Question?
Speaker 8: Did you like working on Boy Mets World? Did you
Speaker 8: like the show when you were there? Or was this
Speaker 8: kind of like, oh my god, it's like Facts of
Speaker 8: Life again?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well it was better than Facts of Life. I look,
Speaker 6: I was lucky. I was getting overpaid to write a sitcom.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: Would I have stayed home and watched the show? Honestly, No,
Speaker 6: I didn't watch a lot of television, and you know,
Speaker 6: it was a show for teenagers, you know, so, but
Speaker 6: it was you know, it was a pleasant enough environment.
Speaker 6: And I like some people on the staff, and you know,
Speaker 6: I didn't hang out with the actors, so I didn't
Speaker 6: know any of you guys.
Speaker 7: Now, we can use your quote boy meets World better
Speaker 7: than Facts of Life in our upcoming book.
Speaker 4: And I'm also like I liked some people on the staff. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this is a glowing review.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: It's that infamous low energy. It is Glenrser energy that
Speaker 2: we're gonn. Guys.
Speaker 7: Your first episode is Pairing Off, which is in investigation
Speaker 7: of sorts into young hormones, and it includes our own
Speaker 7: Wilfred Ell here getting to second base with Marguerite Moreau
Speaker 7: in the Matthew's parents' bedroom.
Speaker 9: You're kidding, I wrote that you did, wow, or maybe
Speaker 9: you were told to write that.
Speaker 4: You wrote, that's what it was.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought I wrote episodes about humanity's search for
Speaker 6: meaning in the existential void.
Speaker 7: No, no, that was later when you got the world
Speaker 7: to be vegan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Facts of Life. That was maybe.
Speaker 8: Yeah, girls, girls, girls, that's what it was exactly.
Speaker 7: Do you remember that story coming together at all or
Speaker 7: any memories from set that week?
Speaker 8: I remember Cuckaroo, right, okay, yeah, that's what everybody.
Speaker 6: Right after that. I haven't remembered anything. Wow.
Speaker 7: Man, So that episode was written alongside apparently your biggest fan,
Speaker 7: Jeff Manel. Had you known him before? You guys were
Speaker 7: paired up on scripts?
Speaker 8: No, okay, now, curiously so we the show had a
Speaker 8: big shift between season one and season two, so for us,
Speaker 8: because they were, we've been told, trying to age up
Speaker 8: the show. We got rid of one of the characters
Speaker 8: who they thought was too young, and they're, you know,
Speaker 8: clearly in pairing off, trying to show that Eric is
Speaker 8: more of an adult. Were you privy to any of
Speaker 8: those conversations or were they like, don't even let's pretend
Speaker 8: season one never happened for you, Glenn, and we're just
Speaker 8: moving on from here.
Speaker 6: Well, I remember being told that they were doing that.
Speaker 6: I remember being told that they were, you know, trying
Speaker 6: to make the show less of a little kids show.
Speaker 4: Right, okay, So.
Speaker 7: Then your next script is Wake Up Little Corey, an
Speaker 7: episode we love where Corey and Tabanga fall asleep while
Speaker 7: working on a project, so the entire school thinks that
Speaker 7: they slept together. Again, you did this episode with Minel,
Speaker 7: and this one is nuanced and funny and a larger
Speaker 7: establishment for what the show thinks of love. Do you
Speaker 7: have any memory of writing that script?
Speaker 6: I remember Kookaroo.
Speaker 8: Well, it seems like you know, if there's anything that
Speaker 8: has to involve sex, you're the guy.
Speaker 6: Appurrently they went to me as the sex guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: You know, when you're in Hollywood, you get a reputation.
Speaker 10: Right right, exactly, break out.
Speaker 8: It exactly, as long as it's not one of your
Speaker 8: lovers saying, you know, very low energy, Glenn, very.
Speaker 4: Have you drink coffee? Coffee?
Speaker 6: You know? Actually? Can I tell you about coffee please?
Speaker 6: I had never I never drank coffee as a kid
Speaker 6: because I was a kid.
Speaker 5: Right, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 6: So I go to visit my college where I was
Speaker 6: going to go to college, school called New College in Sarasota, Florida.
Speaker 6: So I visit there when I was seventeen to check
Speaker 6: it out to see if I want to go there,
Speaker 6: and they tell me there's going to be a coffee
Speaker 6: clatch at the home of Professor Bates. You could meet
Speaker 6: the students and the professor. So I thought, I'll go.
Speaker 6: I'll be with the adults. So I go there and
Speaker 6: Professor Bates says across the room, Glenn, would you like
Speaker 6: do you like coffee? And I say I don't know.
Speaker 6: So she says, would you like to try a cup?
Speaker 6: So I say sure, I'm going to be a grown
Speaker 6: up now. So they give me a cup of coffee
Speaker 6: and it would taste it like mud. It was the
Speaker 6: worst thing I ever tasted in I couldn't get through
Speaker 6: the cup right. So I just never drank coffee again
Speaker 6: until my agent made me do it one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So twenty years later, I go back to New College
Speaker 6: to talk at the retirement of my lit professor, and
Speaker 6: I'm walking around campus and I meet a young woman.
Speaker 6: I say, what do you study here? And she says,
Speaker 6: I study International relations with Professor Bates. And I say,
Speaker 6: she's still here, how's she doing? She says great, She
Speaker 6: is great. She's just the best professor. But she makes
Speaker 6: the worst friggin coffee.
Speaker 4: She turns you off.
Speaker 6: But I'm grateful You've.
Speaker 7: Never had to deal with it, never had to deal
Speaker 7: with waking up, and the first thing you think about
Speaker 7: is coffee.
Speaker 5: That's my life.
Speaker 6: So now I'm gonna make a prediction. I think Danielle
Speaker 6: is going to ask me about the third episode that
Speaker 6: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: Do you remember Cuckaroo?
Speaker 6: I remember, what's the third episode?
Speaker 5: It's a classic. It's a classic danger boy.
Speaker 4: Oh huge.
Speaker 7: This has Corey and mister Feenie writing a dangerous roller
Speaker 7: coaster after being.
Speaker 5: Seen as safe and boring, and we have seen.
Speaker 7: Dozens of people dress up as the danger boy Corey
Speaker 7: and Feenie at our live shows.
Speaker 5: It is a beloved episode.
Speaker 7: Was it as fun to write as it was?
Speaker 6: Was? I'm gonna go with yes?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 4: Good? Do you remember it?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 8: This was also a big week for us on the
Speaker 8: show because we had the roller coaster built. Ben actually
Speaker 8: got hurt the first day in the usual everbody got hurt. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he was the He wasn't strapped in properly, and the
Speaker 8: thing came to an abrupt stop and there was a
Speaker 8: board right between his legs and he slid right into
Speaker 8: the board. It was.
Speaker 4: It was not pleasurable. So I no memory of that.
Speaker 6: No, But you know I didn't do it as much
Speaker 6: on the production side as I was.
Speaker 1: If you had only been there, yesies.
Speaker 8: Have no Okay, So let's talk about something else other
Speaker 8: than Boy Mets World.
Speaker 4: Have you always been a vegan or well?
Speaker 6: No. I grew up like a normal American eating hamburgers, okay,
Speaker 6: and uh in my family, everybody was starting to get
Speaker 6: heart attacks. So at seventeen I became a vegetarian.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 6: I had decided to do it first day of summer
Speaker 6: vacation when I was seventeen, And so I got up
Speaker 6: that morning, I had an English muffin with jam for breakfast,
Speaker 6: and my old buddy Dave called.
Speaker 5: Remember that?
Speaker 6: Huh, yeah, I remember that. And my old buddy Dave
Speaker 6: called and said, and I said, hey, congratulate me. I
Speaker 6: became a vegetarian. And he said, hey, great, Since when
Speaker 6: And I said, well, yeah, you know, since breakfast and
Speaker 6: he laughed at me. And I haven't had meat for
Speaker 6: the fifty plus years since. So it was a good thing.
Speaker 8: I've never never once slipped and woke up just covered
Speaker 8: in cheese sauce with a bread next to you.
Speaker 3: It never happened.
Speaker 6: No, wow, No, But at that point I was just
Speaker 6: a vegetarian. While I was writing Blossom, I went vegan,
Speaker 6: and I've been vegan ever since. I forget what year
Speaker 6: it was that I turned the whole world vegan.
Speaker 5: I forget too.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have that.
Speaker 4: So then you just hunt for sport.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I don't don't get me in trouble. Don't
Speaker 6: get me in trouble with my people.
Speaker 4: What was the favorite show that you ever worked on.
Speaker 6: Well, the best gig was Blossom. It was three years.
Speaker 6: Don Rio was a wonderful boss. The show was so
Speaker 6: well run that one year we had all twenty two
Speaker 6: episodes written before the actors showed up.
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Wow.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you could imagine how easy that gig was
Speaker 6: when then week after week you just have to do
Speaker 6: some rewrites and oh you're not under the pressure to
Speaker 6: create the episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, did that producer and showrunner kind of ruin it
Speaker 4: for you?
Speaker 8: Because sometimes, I know, we talk about how much we
Speaker 8: enjoyed being on the set of Boy Meets World to
Speaker 8: where we when we went off to other shows after
Speaker 8: it was kind of like you have that expectation, you
Speaker 8: think everything's going to be like that, and then it's not.
Speaker 4: I mean, was that the same kind of experience you had?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, like I said, Don Rio was probably
Speaker 6: the most efficient showrunner in Hollywood, and it's a great
Speaker 6: guy to work for. And you know, so I was
Speaker 6: very lucky to have that gig. And that was three years,
Speaker 6: and you know, it was kind of hard to top
Speaker 6: a show running that well.
Speaker 8: Right man, twenty two episodes written before the actors ever
Speaker 8: show up.
Speaker 4: That's insane.
Speaker 7: I want to talk to you about Buddhist Blues. This
Speaker 7: is a movie you wrote and directed. Please tell us
Speaker 7: all about it.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, Buddhist Blues. The website is Buddhist Blues dot com.
Speaker 6: It's an indie film, low budget, and it is the
Speaker 6: story of two Jewish cousins in Saint Louis in nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety three, and one of them has been a strange
Speaker 6: from the family and the other one is trying to
Speaker 6: get him back into the family. So it's a drama.
Speaker 6: It's a family drama, but somehow there's a little bit
Speaker 6: of comedy that comes in here and there.
Speaker 7: Great writing and directing a movie is obviously a big undertaking.
Speaker 7: Did you enjoy being in charge of everything, handling your
Speaker 7: own work.
Speaker 6: Yeah. And I did a lot of the producing of
Speaker 6: it too, So you know, my wife was the production
Speaker 6: designer and she painted oil paintings for the background. You
Speaker 6: could see that at the website of Buddhist Blues dot com.
Speaker 6: And you know, I did the casting and the staging
Speaker 6: of it. But you know, it was a lot of work,
Speaker 6: and it was but that's the kind of work that
Speaker 6: I'm happy to do. And you know, I'm pretty proud
Speaker 6: of it. We don't have any stars in it.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 6: You guys turned me down.
Speaker 4: I don't know what exactly.
Speaker 8: We didn't get calls. Glenn, you used the entire cast
Speaker 8: of the Buffalo Playhouse. You just put them all in it.
Speaker 5: So how will be able to see it?
Speaker 6: Well, we're going to probably release it one way or
Speaker 6: another this summer, so depending on you know, people are
Speaker 6: going to be listening to this podcast for decades and
Speaker 6: maybe centuries to come.
Speaker 4: They are, that's when.
Speaker 6: So depending upon when they listen to it, it will
Speaker 6: either have already been released or if it's if this
Speaker 6: podcast airs soon and the movie has not yet been released,
Speaker 6: you could just leave your email address at the website
Speaker 6: and we will let you know when the movie is released.
Speaker 5: Perfect Buddhist Blues dot Com. Is there a vegan in
Speaker 5: the movie?
Speaker 6: There is? The protagonist is a vegan. Thank you for
Speaker 6: using it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 6: And you know there's a point. There's a point to that, actually, Danielle.
Speaker 6: And the point is this, we didn't have gay marriage
Speaker 6: in the country till twenty fifteen. And when Barack Obama
Speaker 6: first round for president, he didn't he didn't announce that
Speaker 6: he was supporting gay marriage. So what happened in the interim.
Speaker 6: What happened in the interim was we had TV shows
Speaker 6: like Ellen and Will and Grace, and the episodes weren't
Speaker 6: about being gay, but the episodes had gay characters. Gay
Speaker 6: people are like everybody else. And so when was the
Speaker 6: last time you saw a movie and there was a
Speaker 6: character who was a vegan and the vegan was just
Speaker 6: like everybody else. So that's a little is not the
Speaker 6: main point of the movie, but it's a little bit
Speaker 6: of what I'm trying to do here. Why can't we
Speaker 6: have a movie with the protagonist who's a vegan?
Speaker 4: So that's great? And when I go see it in
Speaker 4: the theater, I'll just stick to popcorn. I won't have
Speaker 4: a hot dog. How about that?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 2: Please? No, no butter on the butter.
Speaker 4: It's not real butter.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Glenn, we have one more question for you.
Speaker 7: Where can we get the best vegan food in l A?
Speaker 6: The Sun Cafe? I think the Sun Cafe is still there. Okay,
Speaker 6: that was a really good restaurant.
Speaker 5: The Sun Cafe. What do you like to get there?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: Coffee?
Speaker 6: And I don't you know, I don't remember they had
Speaker 6: some raw dishes. That cafe Gratitude is very gratitude.
Speaker 8: Were a good one in in our town too, Daniel
Speaker 8: Apparently the vegan, the vegan joint Vegan is very good.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my neighborhood in LA has become all vegan Highland.
Speaker 6: Well that's because I turned the world.
Speaker 4: You turned out, so you're the one to blame.
Speaker 7: Hey, Glenn, thank you so much for joining us. We
Speaker 7: see why you are so beloved by especially Jeff Manel.
Speaker 7: But thank you. You have really given us a good
Speaker 7: a good laugh this morning.
Speaker 6: Well I'm going to use that blurb. If I can
Speaker 6: beloved by Jeff Manel, I can go through life.
Speaker 4: With that, if we can use yours. I got along
Speaker 4: with some people, I liked some people.
Speaker 6: At least it wasn't facts of life.
Speaker 5: Boys World better than facts of life. Thank you, Glenn,
Speaker 5: this was such a joy. We love you.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, Danielle writer and.
Speaker 10: Bye, Oh my gosh, he's sterical, hilarious, Yeah stercle Oh my.
Speaker 7: Jensen is hiding me off chain going do you think
Speaker 7: he'd be my second dad?
Speaker 4: Is so funny that guy and I can understate it.
Speaker 8: It's absolutely see why the boy meets world writer's room
Speaker 8: in the sitcom world wasn't for him.
Speaker 4: I can see that a thousand percent.
Speaker 2: Because all you have to do is pitch yourself like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the job is like you're having to sell
Speaker 1: your jokes and you're and if you don't have that
Speaker 1: aggressive energy, a lot of people just might not notice.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 8: Where he reminded me so much of story Wise and
Speaker 8: the way he's talking and just himself is Larry David,
Speaker 8: where it's like he's gonna be fired from every show
Speaker 8: that he's on until he goes, I'm the smartest person
Speaker 8: in the room.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go do my own thing and then it'll
Speaker 4: blow up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly, because he's so I would kill to see
Speaker 8: his stand up because I bet you I would be
Speaker 8: laughing hysterically and no one else would get it.
Speaker 4: And that's like my favorite kind of stand up in
Speaker 4: the world. God, that guy was fun.
Speaker 2: He's funny.
Speaker 5: Funny.
Speaker 7: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
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