Speaker 1: While they were within the community, they were having drunk
Speaker 1: sex parties.
Speaker 2: Oh man, why'd you leave.
Speaker 1: Because the people having the drunk sex parties left?
Speaker 2: Oh man? Well, did did you gonna invite it after
Speaker 2: the fact, Like, once you finally left, did they invite you?
Speaker 1: Not exactly, They're not really doing that anymore. I did
Speaker 1: get a lap dance from a witch once with one
Speaker 1: of those friends, So that was that was sort of
Speaker 1: a moment where I was like, Hey, this is probably
Speaker 1: as far as from I ever thought I would be.
Speaker 2: What do you mean a lap dance from a witch?
Speaker 2: What did that entail? Dylan?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: How are you? Dylan?
Speaker 1: I'm good?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: I am a gecko on the computer. I wonder how
Speaker 2: many more times I can say that before it gets old.
Speaker 2: What's going on with you? Dylan?
Speaker 1: Do you want to start broadly or right now?
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's a really good question. Do I want to
Speaker 2: start broadly or right now? I kind of want to
Speaker 2: start with you know what, Let's start broadly? Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: I mean listen, it says here that you left the
Speaker 2: Jehovah's Witnesses a couple of years ago, and you want
Speaker 2: to talk about that? Yes, yes, broadly, you know what,
Speaker 2: let's get into it. Tell me, tell me about the JW.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I know you've had some people on
Speaker 1: here or had experience with it. I mean, my experience
Speaker 1: was very explosive with how I left. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't want to get too close, too far into how
Speaker 1: it really started with like everything, I was in it
Speaker 1: for twenty two years, my whole life.
Speaker 2: Twenty two years. Well you're you're twenty four, all right,
Speaker 2: So you were in it from the time you were
Speaker 2: a little You were a little baby knocking door to door,
Speaker 2: spreading the good word.
Speaker 1: With a tiny, tiny briefcase in a diaper. Yep.
Speaker 2: Kind of adorable.
Speaker 1: But many doors were slammed in that baby's face. So
Speaker 1: I handled rejection really well.
Speaker 2: Must feel good to slam a door in a baby's
Speaker 2: face anyway. Anyway, all right, so you start off your
Speaker 2: little baby Jehovah's witness boy, and you know, tell me
Speaker 2: about what that was like growing up in that in
Speaker 2: that community.
Speaker 1: It was, I mean, it had its ups and downs.
Speaker 1: I mean I can't, I really truly can't say that
Speaker 1: it was all bad. I mean, I have my family
Speaker 1: with me, and I love my family, and I loved
Speaker 1: a lot of the friends that I had made, whether
Speaker 1: it was just because they were there or I actually
Speaker 1: pursued a friendship with them, because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: forced friendship in that culture, of course, But you know,
Speaker 1: I never ever truly felt one hundred percent on it.
Speaker 1: I wanted to one hundred percent on it so badly
Speaker 1: because I could everyone else in my family was such
Speaker 1: a golden star in it, you know, like my yeah
Speaker 1: both into it, Like my mom has made missionary trips
Speaker 1: to Africa, like they they're crazy, like.
Speaker 2: Right, So you're in this community and everybody around you believes,
Speaker 2: and so you really want to believe truly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I wanted to wake up every day and
Speaker 1: just be like I have this connection with God, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's he's really he's really guiding me. But I
Speaker 1: never felt like that.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: And what I did, whether that was you know, actually
Speaker 1: putting effort into it or being a complete blob and
Speaker 1: not giving a shit about like getting farther in it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And you said just now, you said something that I
Speaker 2: thought was kind of interesting where you were like a
Speaker 2: lot of these friendships are forced, but you alluded a
Speaker 2: little bit to having if I'm interpreting this correctly. You
Speaker 2: alluded a little bit to having at least a few
Speaker 2: friendships that you pursued intentionally. Is that Is that true?
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you made some genuine friends in
Speaker 2: this community?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And interestingly enough, a couple of these true
Speaker 1: friends are now also exited and I I'm still I'm
Speaker 1: going to an LS Dream concert on Friday with a
Speaker 1: couple of them, so that will be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it makes sense to the people that you would,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of hook up with. There are also
Speaker 2: people who are like, hey, what's fuck's going on with
Speaker 2: all this stuff?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, totally. And they left before me, but they
Speaker 1: could not believe that I left when I did, because
Speaker 1: everyone viewed me as a golden child as well, even
Speaker 1: though internally I never.
Speaker 6: Felt that way.
Speaker 2: How did you feel being viewed as a as a
Speaker 2: golden child? Was that like a pressure on you?
Speaker 1: It's funny you should say that, because I didn't realize
Speaker 1: they viewed me as a golden child until after I
Speaker 1: had left, and they told me they weren't inviting me
Speaker 1: to the like drunk sex parties they were having.
Speaker 2: Who was an inbody?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: With the the people within the community. The people who
Speaker 2: left the community were having the drunk sex parties.
Speaker 1: While they were within the community, they were having drunk
Speaker 1: sex parties.
Speaker 2: Oh man, why'd you leave.
Speaker 1: Because the people having the drunk sex parties left?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh oh, okay, all right, So so here's okay. So
Speaker 2: here's what I'm what I'm hearing here is like there's
Speaker 2: a little gang there's a little gang of this, a
Speaker 2: little gang of the factors in here. There's little gang
Speaker 2: of people who are like, hey, what's going on? And
Speaker 2: they but they and you secretly are are a de factor.
Speaker 2: But the factors they look at you as as as
Speaker 2: a golden boy because you're trying to believe so like
Speaker 2: outwardly it would it makes sense that you're giving off
Speaker 2: this golden boy air to you. Is that is that accurate?
Speaker 1: Sort of? Sort of? I mean, I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: a defector until the day I decided I wanted to leave.
Speaker 1: I believed up until a certain moment, there was always
Speaker 1: a part of me that believed in it and was
Speaker 1: scared of it. But I also had a rebellious streak
Speaker 1: inside me that wanted to like get out there and
Speaker 1: do shit that I wasn't supposed to. But these people
Speaker 1: didn't give a shit earlier than I did, and I
Speaker 1: was much better at avoiding those situations, so which is
Speaker 1: why they never invited me to they're drunk sex parties.
Speaker 2: Man, Well, did did you invite it? After the fact, like,
Speaker 2: once you finally left, did they invite you?
Speaker 1: Not exactly. They're not really doing that more because there
Speaker 1: are adults that are trying to be slightly more.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 1: I did get a lap dance from a witch once
Speaker 1: with one of those friends, so that was That was
Speaker 1: sort of a moment where I was like, Hey, this
Speaker 1: is probably as far as from I ever thought I
Speaker 1: would be.
Speaker 2: What do you mean a lap dance from a witch? What?
Speaker 2: What did that entail? U?
Speaker 1: We had gone to a concert and one of my
Speaker 1: friends met this or had reconnected with this crazy wicked
Speaker 1: girl and we ended up at a tenthouse suite in
Speaker 1: Boston and she was giving lap dances to everyone. Well,
Speaker 1: we were all fucking blasted, and I just was like,
Speaker 1: had this go away from Jesus moment? I guess it's
Speaker 1: the complete opposite of come to Jesus. But she, my god,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lap dance from a witch. Right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: I was trying to get people to open the Good Book.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, it's interesting that you defected, defected, de facted,
Speaker 2: whatever the word is, because I actually was approached on
Speaker 2: the street by a sort I don't think there were Mormons,
Speaker 2: there were Christians, but they were religious people, and when
Speaker 2: I was talking to them, it was very they were very,
Speaker 2: very convinced. No part of my brain felt like these
Speaker 2: people would ever budge on what it is that they
Speaker 2: were spreading the Good Word of So it feels like
Speaker 2: whatever's going on in these communities, I mean they're tight,
Speaker 2: you know, the people who who really truly believe, I mean,
Speaker 2: they fuck be leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one a cult and a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't know that it's starting to get out there. But
Speaker 1: it's super controlling, like scarily. So obviously didn't really realize
Speaker 1: that until doing external research after I had decided to leave.
Speaker 1: But like I I could never go back now, obviously,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's I've taken the red pill, you know,
Speaker 1: or whatever, it's whichever fucking pill he took. I took
Speaker 1: one of.
Speaker 2: Those, so tell me, tell me, all right, So this
Speaker 2: was only two years ago. It's fairly recent So as
Speaker 2: a twenty two year old young man who has been
Speaker 2: living in this, uh, it sounds to me a restrictive
Speaker 2: community for a while. You deflect to fact whatever, whatever
Speaker 2: the word of the day is, that we've been using.
Speaker 2: That I've been using a shit ton all right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And and what do what are some of the first
Speaker 2: things you do as a as a free man you
Speaker 2: know that you haven't been able to do for the
Speaker 2: twenty two first years. What were some of the first
Speaker 2: ventures into I guess hedonism that you embarked upon.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm I think literally the day after I'd decided
Speaker 1: to leave, I installed Tinder, which makes sense for a
Speaker 1: young man at that page still have it, So it's
Speaker 1: not it's not something I've grown out of. But I
Speaker 1: immediately met a girl and dated her for six months,
Speaker 1: and I was a virgin until I hadn't even kissed
Speaker 1: the girl. I was twenty almost almost twenty two, I
Speaker 1: think it was just about to turn twenty two at
Speaker 1: the time, and never even kissed the girl. So that
Speaker 1: was interesting and crazy trying to figure out maybe if
Speaker 1: I was bisexual or gay or anything. I'm realized I'm straight,
Speaker 1: So I'm boring as fuck. But you know, that was
Speaker 1: an period I tried out because I'm super not Christian
Speaker 1: anymore at all, and I don't have any of those leanings,
Speaker 1: but not that I have anything against it, as long
Speaker 1: as people aren't oppressing other people. But what else? I mean, drugs,
Speaker 1: but not really anything that crazy, just like weed, which
Speaker 1: I don't like. So I'm like, like, what couldn't that
Speaker 1: have worked out for me? Of all Thames?
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's got to be I mean,
Speaker 2: after twenty two years of all that stuff, I feel
Speaker 2: like there's gotta be a significant like adjustments going on.
Speaker 2: It's going to be there's got to be a little
Speaker 2: bit of a period of going like, well, I like
Speaker 2: getting out of jail, like, well, what the fuck do
Speaker 2: I do now?
Speaker 1: Oh? It's fucking nuts? Like, Well, the way it happened
Speaker 1: was I was super before I decided I wanted to leave.
Speaker 1: I was super depressed. A couple of times. I was
Speaker 1: borderline suicidal and I had never been suicidal in my
Speaker 1: life and I didn't ever try anything, but it was
Speaker 1: just getting to a point where it's completely unsustainable. And
Speaker 1: so what happened is I was sitting at the meeting
Speaker 1: they call on Kingdom Halls, but it's really just a church.
Speaker 1: So sitting at the meeting and I am out of
Speaker 1: my mind. I can't focus. I felt horrible, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it just popped into my mind. Why
Speaker 1: don't I look up some stuff or material that people
Speaker 1: have who have left have written, So during this fucking
Speaker 1: meeting preaching to me, I'm sitting there. It's actually what
Speaker 1: we call the circuit over to your visit. So like
Speaker 1: this grand puba character is here visiting, trying to like
Speaker 1: build us all up with his grandeur. And I'm looking
Speaker 1: up this shit and took three paragraphs of that online
Speaker 1: article or essay to completely dissolve what was left of
Speaker 1: my face. And I looked up. I'm not fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: It's not that I am not fitting into a place
Speaker 1: where I should be fitting in. It's that I don't
Speaker 1: have to fit in at all. And I should not
Speaker 1: be oppressing and suppressing my character for the sake of
Speaker 1: even people that I love, because it's just not sustainable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So to that point, for you say, for the
Speaker 2: people that you love, tell me, how did uh talking
Speaker 2: about the process of like reconciling this with your family.
Speaker 1: That That was crazy because that happened like the day,
Speaker 1: A day or two after. I was obviously having a
Speaker 1: lot of inner turmoil and thoughts about it. My mind
Speaker 1: was racing, and you know, reading all this material after
Speaker 1: the fact, after the waking up process had really gone underway.
Speaker 1: I was at work one day cleaning windows, which is
Speaker 1: a super fucking common profession for witnesses. If anyone else
Speaker 1: in the chat used to be in there, it's always
Speaker 1: a joke that witnesses clean windows because it's easy to get.
Speaker 1: But I decided, I'm like, I need to call my
Speaker 1: family right now and tell them because this is on
Speaker 1: my mind. So like, one by one, I just started
Speaker 1: calling people while I was doing my job on my
Speaker 1: Bluetooth headset, and just one by one, each of them
Speaker 1: just completely dumbfounded and aghast and you know, crying and
Speaker 1: begging me to change my mind or and you know,
Speaker 1: somewhat gaslighting me, like we won't be able to talk
Speaker 1: to you anymore, and I'm like, I just can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: So my sisters and my mom and pretty much a
Speaker 1: couple other people, that was the last time I've spoken
Speaker 1: to them, really I have.
Speaker 2: So in the past year, you haven't spoken to your sister,
Speaker 2: your mom at all.
Speaker 1: My sisters have and my mom have not spoken to
Speaker 1: me or reached out at all. My dad my dad
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but that's gotten worse because with
Speaker 1: the whole Ukraine and Russia thing going on, they they
Speaker 1: think that it's the end times. So I think that
Speaker 1: they're really doubling down on their own indoctrination for the
Speaker 1: sake of their own mental health. And it was crazy
Speaker 1: because when I moved out, I lived three minutes from
Speaker 1: my sister, and I remember one day I went up
Speaker 1: to her house with her recently married husband, who opened
Speaker 1: the door, and because I just was like, I just
Speaker 1: want to go see I want to see what happens
Speaker 1: if I go to see her.
Speaker 2: You just went to her house like on a whim.
Speaker 1: On a whim, on a whim after work one day
Speaker 1: since I had left, and I went up to the door.
Speaker 1: Her husband opened the door and he didn't invite me in. Uh,
Speaker 1: like I was with them on their first date. Like
Speaker 1: this is like not somebody I don't know, Like this
Speaker 1: is my my sister's husband who I was all courting period.
Speaker 1: He and I was. He was so awkward and I
Speaker 1: asked for a glass of water because I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to test it and see if I could get inside. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he brought it out and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is how it's going to be. And so I
Speaker 1: was like, he is, is Maddie not going to come
Speaker 1: in or come out? He's like no, I don't think so,
Speaker 1: and I'm like okay. So I turned around and I
Speaker 1: got back in my car. And that's the last attempt
Speaker 1: to at like physical contact with with family it is.
Speaker 1: I mean that was during the height of COVID too.
Speaker 2: So anyway, so, man, how do you how do you
Speaker 2: feel about all of this? Does it is that? Is
Speaker 2: that painful for you? I'd have to imagine.
Speaker 1: It ebbs and flows. Like sometimes I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: a robot because I will think about my family and
Speaker 1: have almost no feeling at all, and that kind of
Speaker 1: because I'm not a sociopath or but I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I have the proper feelings to process it. Like
Speaker 1: I barely cry about it. I sobbed once at a
Speaker 1: friend's house. Well, I was high on weed and a
Speaker 1: little bit drunk, and something just set me off and
Speaker 1: that felt good, and I wanted I wish I could
Speaker 1: do that more.
Speaker 2: You have a desire to be more in touch with
Speaker 2: your emotions about everything.
Speaker 1: Oh I wish I could just sob for hours about
Speaker 1: the trauma I've faced. But you know, like there's just
Speaker 1: like a block. Other times I'm angry, just pissed at
Speaker 1: them that they I don't care that they believe in
Speaker 1: the religion. I don't care that they have a different
Speaker 1: belief system than me. I just want them to recognize
Speaker 1: that I'm the same person and I'm not some hideous
Speaker 1: gargoyle of sin.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd be fucking pissed. If I were you, I'd
Speaker 2: be like, what the fuck? I'm your brother, I'm your son,
Speaker 2: who gives a fuck about all the stupid you know,
Speaker 2: god stuff. It's like, can't you see what's really important here?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Totally, Well, especially since my dad lost his dad at
Speaker 1: he he died at sixty two, just having like he
Speaker 1: was walking down the street and had a heart attack.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, if you would, you would he would
Speaker 1: give anything to see you again, or vice versa. And
Speaker 1: yet I am your son that you held in your arms,
Speaker 1: and you could have me right now, you know, And
Speaker 1: that's just baffling to me, like I can't imagine doing
Speaker 1: that to my future children, Like and I want to
Speaker 1: have children, And I'm like, how I can't mentally parse
Speaker 1: what could carry you away from a child, especially if
Speaker 1: they're not like a fucking murderer or a or a
Speaker 1: rapist or I don't know something.
Speaker 2: You just.
Speaker 1: Even murderer's parents still love them, like you hear about
Speaker 1: it all the time. Yeah, it's like what that.
Speaker 2: M tell me about? Well, I mean, I mean, so Dylan, like,
Speaker 2: what's your life like now? Like, uh, all right, But
Speaker 2: so at the very beginning of this call, we were like, okay,
Speaker 2: broad and then right now, I feel like we covered
Speaker 2: the broad before we go, let's cover the now. Where
Speaker 2: are we? Do we have? Friends? Do we have? I
Speaker 2: know you, I know you that things have been pretty
Speaker 2: fucking tough with the family, But uh, it sounds like yeah,
Speaker 2: cool friends. You know, it sounds like I'm getting I'm
Speaker 2: getting bits and pieces here of like you know, you
Speaker 2: have a support system of some kind. You're not just
Speaker 2: like hanging out in the wind. You know what's going on?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's true. I mean I really value the friends.
Speaker 1: I think I need to work on valuing the friends
Speaker 1: I have rather than the amount of friends I want.
Speaker 1: And it's unfortunate because I don't always want to just
Speaker 1: connect with other ex witnesses. I want to connect with
Speaker 1: people who aren't because I'm I don't even want to
Speaker 1: consider myself an ex witness. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: Dylan the person who less the religion. I want to
Speaker 1: be Dylan yep, Just Dylan yep. But I really do
Speaker 1: have good friends, and I mean I have a job
Speaker 1: where like people appreciate me, and I just got promoted
Speaker 1: in certified in my job. I'm a chimney sweep now,
Speaker 1: so that's really cool and that's been going great, and
Speaker 1: I can support myself really well, and it's all at
Speaker 1: the expense of leaving, Like I pulled myself up by
Speaker 1: my bootstraps and have my own apartment and pay my
Speaker 1: time and have a good job and can afford to
Speaker 1: go out and have fun sometimes. And it's like, I
Speaker 1: really need to look at that more often and be like,
Speaker 1: you are really fucking fortunate.
Speaker 2: That you Yeah, what are we gonna say? I feel
Speaker 2: like I cut you off. But as you're going to
Speaker 2: go on a self a self motivational thing, I want
Speaker 2: to let you finish that.
Speaker 1: I can try a good attempt to rouse myself from
Speaker 1: the ashes, but it's I think the biggest problem that
Speaker 1: I'm facing right now is that I'm single, which means
Speaker 1: I don't have very much intimacy. And that doesn't include
Speaker 1: just sex. It's just I'm talking like heart to heart
Speaker 1: with somebody that is dedicated to you or at least
Speaker 1: is wanting to get to know you.
Speaker 3: So that's tough.
Speaker 1: Because pretty much the family that I make for myself
Speaker 1: is going to be the family I have for the
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. Like I don't think my I don't. I
Speaker 1: can't assume my family will leave someday and then reconnect
Speaker 1: with me.
Speaker 2: So not having that, yeah, well, Dylan, I you know, look,
Speaker 2: before we go, I want to say, you know, all
Speaker 2: the all the sort of rousing yourself up that you
Speaker 2: were doing, I think it's well earned. I mean, you claw,
Speaker 2: I mean, it takes a lot of fucking balls to
Speaker 2: be born into this life path that's set up for
Speaker 2: you and set up for you pretty damn hard, and
Speaker 2: having all I mean, these people who you you know
Speaker 2: at a young age are like supposed to trust really hard.
Speaker 2: Your mom, your dad, your sister. I mean, these the
Speaker 2: closest people, the people that are supposed to be the
Speaker 2: most worthy of your trust, lay out this path for you,
Speaker 2: and then for you to just from within deflect from
Speaker 2: that and decide for yourself what the right thing to
Speaker 2: do is and then go and then like to have
Speaker 2: those thoughts, to surmise those thoughts and those feelings, and
Speaker 2: the desire to deflect is one thing, and then to
Speaker 2: act on it against what everyone who you're supposed to
Speaker 2: trust is telling you. I mean that that takes fucking guts,
Speaker 2: and it takes a lot of guts. And the fact
Speaker 2: that you were able to do that, and now you've
Speaker 2: got this job, You've got friends, You've you've got a
Speaker 2: fucking apartment that you're paying the rent on. You've you know,
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll have a girlfriend soon. You know. You've
Speaker 2: you've built a life from your for yourself, not just
Speaker 2: from I don't even want to say from scratch, Like
Speaker 2: like you had worse circumstances than scratch. You had to
Speaker 2: you were like in the negative. You had to get
Speaker 2: out of that one life and then build a new
Speaker 2: one from scratch. I mean, that's damn impressive, you know,
Speaker 2: so you definitely definitely should be proud of yourself for
Speaker 2: all of that, Dylan, and uh and Matt I, I
Speaker 2: I wish you the best. I'm I'm inspired by by you,
Speaker 2: by anyone who's brave enough to forge their own path,
Speaker 2: you know, so, so props to you and and and
Speaker 2: thank you very much for sharing all of that with
Speaker 2: all of us. You've been on a on a crazy
Speaker 2: journey and and I know you you mentioned that you
Speaker 2: want to be able to process your emotions better. I hope,
Speaker 2: I hope you're able to do that. That sounds like
Speaker 2: some real therapy type of stuff that I hope you're
Speaker 2: able to get a hold of. But damn you know
Speaker 2: you're you're You're an impressive fucking guy, Dylan for real.
Speaker 1: Well, that means a hell of a lot from a
Speaker 1: anthropomorphic lizard.
Speaker 3: I really appreciate it, of course, man, of course.
Speaker 1: Definitely negative tonight. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: So much, of course. Man, thank you again for sharing.
Speaker 2: Thanks Lyle, Love you, Bud, Take care, Dylan all Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello,
Speaker 2: Hello is this Alisa?
Speaker 5: This is Alisa. Hello. How are you doing all right?
Speaker 2: I'm hanging out, Alisa. Uh, I'm a gecko on the computer.
Speaker 2: I'm living life as best as I can. I hope
Speaker 2: what's going on with you?
Speaker 5: Well, I just had some positivity to share with you today.
Speaker 2: Oh please hit me.
Speaker 3: So on the.
Speaker 5: Topic of large boobs, I actually had gigantic, huge boobs
Speaker 5: and I recently got them chopped. And the positive news, yes,
Speaker 5: I did. And the positive news about this is that
Speaker 5: it is the most life changing thing, most positive things
Speaker 5: I could have ever done for myself. And I feel
Speaker 5: like a new woman, completely a new person. I feel free.
Speaker 2: What inspired you to do? The shopping.
Speaker 5: So happy, Marge? Booths is very difficult. It actually hinders
Speaker 5: your movement a lot more than I realized until now.
Speaker 5: And I can't buy like bras anywhere. I have to
Speaker 5: like special order them for like seventy or eighty bucks
Speaker 5: because like I had huge boobs, like I had to
Speaker 5: buy like custom bros. And yeah, I can like run
Speaker 5: up the stairs quickly.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 5: I'm just like my life has completely changed. They could
Speaker 5: they took off ten pounds or like a little over
Speaker 5: ten pounds.
Speaker 2: Ten pounds total, I think it was total total. So
Speaker 2: I'm curious, So, uh, you know, how long have you
Speaker 2: had large boobs? And then what made what was like
Speaker 2: the final straw where you're like, all right, I'm getting
Speaker 2: these I'm getting rid of these guys.
Speaker 5: Well, I had funny story is the first time I
Speaker 5: remember my boobs like getting in the way of my life.
Speaker 5: I was actually in third grade, and I remember I
Speaker 5: like forgot to wear my like training bra to third grade,
Speaker 5: which is like way too early to have a training bra,
Speaker 5: and I forgot to wear it. And I remember like
Speaker 5: calling my mom from the office and I was too
Speaker 5: nervous to say the word bra, so I just called
Speaker 5: and I was like, Mom, I forgot my underwear, Like
Speaker 5: I don't have my undergarments because I didn't want to
Speaker 5: say anything.
Speaker 2: And because you're like on the on the phone like whatever,
Speaker 2: the principal or office person is all like watching you
Speaker 2: and shit.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: And I went to a Catholic school, so they're like
Speaker 5: staring at me on the phone and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 5: can you bring this and she yeah, she was like,
Speaker 5: well you'll just last at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: it'll be fine. I was uncomfortable all day and I
Speaker 5: got home and my mom was like, why the hell
Speaker 5: didn't you put on underwear this morning? And I was
Speaker 5: like no, I didn't wear my bra and it was
Speaker 5: really uncomfortable. And then ever since then, it's been like
Speaker 5: exponential each year, like how big they got. And you know,
Speaker 5: I was having a lot of back pain when I
Speaker 5: got to into college and just genuinely uncomfortable, like couldn't
Speaker 5: do things like the pendulum on my chest would just
Speaker 5: like drag me in several directions anytime I tried to
Speaker 5: be active or like you know, move my body like
Speaker 5: a normal human. And I think I finally got up
Speaker 5: to a thirty eight N and I was like all right,
Speaker 5: like I literally can't do this anymore, like I've got
Speaker 5: to get a reduction.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they so they were growing, so they just
Speaker 2: never stopped growing.
Speaker 5: That's what I think. That's my theory, because they were
Speaker 5: bigger every single year. Like I always was replacing bras,
Speaker 5: and like I said, these things are not cheap.
Speaker 2: So you went from an end to what are you now?
Speaker 5: I'm like a handful now. I don't even know what
Speaker 5: I am. I haven't even measured. I'm like wearing sports
Speaker 5: bras every day sometimes brawless. I would guess that I'm
Speaker 5: like a D or C now, which to me is
Speaker 5: like minischool and very tiny and I'm very happy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a good PSA for other people who
Speaker 2: are struggling with similar issues.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, I have one hundred percent recommend it. I
Speaker 5: know a lot of people kind of get caught up
Speaker 5: and like the male gaze or like self worse things,
Speaker 5: And I know that can be hard. But if you
Speaker 5: can get through that, like truly, I feel like so free.
Speaker 5: I don't think. I was asked the other day by
Speaker 5: my partner, like what amount of money I would like
Speaker 5: exchange now knowing how I feel, and like the amount
Speaker 5: of money that I would exchange for how I feel
Speaker 5: right now, and like every morning is like like I
Speaker 5: would pay like all the money I ever earned in
Speaker 5: my life to feel like this really okay?
Speaker 2: So if somebody off if somebody offered you ten million
Speaker 2: dollars to go back to the old boobs, to the
Speaker 2: thirty eight ends, you would you would turn it down.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, yeah, I'd turn it down for sure.
Speaker 5: So low key debilitating. So it's kind of like a
Speaker 5: disability almost.
Speaker 2: The yeah, do you should be you should be able
Speaker 2: to if if you have over a certain cup size,
Speaker 2: you should be able to hang one of those Uh, uh,
Speaker 2: disabled things that you're park in those spots.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know about that, but it's definitely bad.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things I could not do, so
Speaker 2: were there And it sounds like, you know, obviously after
Speaker 2: the fact, after the surgery took place, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: so glad I did it. You know it was debilitating
Speaker 2: and I'm in a new place. But I mean, beforehand,
Speaker 2: before you knew how great it was going to be,
Speaker 2: did you have any apprehensions going into it. Was there
Speaker 2: any part of you thinking thinking not to do it?
Speaker 2: Or was it a very much gung ho, no regrets,
Speaker 2: go for it decision from the beginning that it that
Speaker 2: it happened that you decided.
Speaker 5: I would say, like at the very beginning, when it
Speaker 5: first popped into my head, I was still like working
Speaker 5: on some like yeah, like self warth issues or like
Speaker 5: dealing with the melgaze, and like I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 5: Like I had really nice boobs. They were awesome. I
Speaker 5: will say a lot of people with the ends of
Speaker 5: the boobs I had, they were like damn near symmetrical too.
Speaker 5: They were awesome. But as I the thought entered my
Speaker 5: head for the first time, every time After that, I
Speaker 5: just got closer and closer to being like, well, I
Speaker 5: don't actually care because I want to be able to
Speaker 5: like move my body and like not spend eighty dollars
Speaker 5: on bras. And then yeah, it just escalated until I
Speaker 5: was like, actually got on the wait list for the
Speaker 5: surgery center and I told them to like call me
Speaker 5: if any spots opened up. And one day they called
Speaker 5: me and they were like, like, I was supposed to
Speaker 5: be seen in like two months. Yeah, and they were
Speaker 5: like two days, like, you just got to get a
Speaker 5: COVID test, you got to be with the anesthesia screener,
Speaker 5: make it down here. And I was like deal. I
Speaker 5: called into work, took a week off. I was like,
Speaker 5: I'm busy, went up there and did it. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: I so, so before we go, tell us some other
Speaker 2: things that you can now do now after the surgery
Speaker 2: that you couldn't do before, so that we get a
Speaker 2: idea of, you know, how debilitating it was to have,
Speaker 2: you know, end cups.
Speaker 5: Now I can go for walks comfortably and easily. Soon
Speaker 5: I'm going to be able to run with doctor's orders.
Speaker 5: I did a summersault the other day. Pretty sick.
Speaker 3: In general, with ends.
Speaker 5: Oh hell no, that shit is not is not comfortable
Speaker 5: at all.
Speaker 2: I would like hit you in the face, knock you unconscious.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, like I bet you I could hang upside
Speaker 5: down now. I could not do that ship before I
Speaker 5: would start choking. Mm hmmm, dead ass. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know. It's really awesome. I can do a lot
Speaker 5: of stuff I'm really excited to, like, oh yeah, clothes,
Speaker 5: I can buy normal sized clothes now, Like I don't know,
Speaker 5: I can just be in general, like more active and
Speaker 5: the more I heal, the more stuff I'm going.
Speaker 1: To be able to do.
Speaker 5: So truly, like, if anyone thinking about it, like do
Speaker 5: your research and like go for it. I think the
Speaker 5: benefits far outweigh the cost.
Speaker 2: Well, Alicia, that's your name, right, Alisa, Alisa, Well Alisau.
Speaker 2: Happy for you on your new found lease of life.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you've inspired other people to you know, gain theirs
Speaker 2: and all the power to you. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 5: Awesome, Thank you so much, love the podcast.
Speaker 2: Have a good one, Thank you, Lisa.
Speaker 5: Bye.
Speaker 8: Hello, Alyssa, Hello, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: I am a gecko on the computer. You know, I
Speaker 2: have noticed I've been thinking about this. The audio version
Speaker 2: of this show. They can't really tell that I'm a gecko.
Speaker 2: Oh I don't know if they can hear it. And
Speaker 2: it kind of doesn't matter.
Speaker 9: Well with a picture on the podcast right now, So
Speaker 9: maybe there.
Speaker 2: Is together, you know, right right there is a picture
Speaker 2: on the thing, you know. I mean, I could rather
Speaker 2: not in a gecko thing and it would be the
Speaker 2: same thing, but it kind of wouldn't be the same
Speaker 2: thing and all. Also because being a gecko affects my
Speaker 2: words and affects your words and whatnot. I feel like
Speaker 2: you have a take on this, and I keep interrupting you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I have a lot to say, you know, I
Speaker 9: think the gecko suit gives it like a little bit
Speaker 9: more but like a little like a lot of a
Speaker 9: lot more effect than maybe you would have if you
Speaker 9: didn't wear the gecko suit.
Speaker 2: M it's a little bit of extra. No, I agree
Speaker 2: with you fully. I think it's a little bit of extra.
Speaker 2: It's a slight bit of extra anonymousness. I know I'm
Speaker 2: not innymous and my name is on the podcast and
Speaker 2: I tell people my name is Lyle and stuff, but
Speaker 2: it does I do want it to feel like you're
Speaker 2: just talking to this entity that that barely exists. This
Speaker 2: gettos like.
Speaker 9: That won't judge you, And sure, yeah, I get what
Speaker 9: you're going before.
Speaker 2: But enough about me and my silly, silly predicaments. What's
Speaker 2: going on with you Melyssa.
Speaker 9: Well, it's a bit of a long story.
Speaker 2: So what's the give me the give me the gist.
Speaker 2: Let's Taran, Let's let's tarantino this. You know, let's start
Speaker 2: with the let's start in the middle.
Speaker 9: In the middle. Oh, well, the middle, that's probably be
Speaker 9: the worst part. So basically the middle would be that
Speaker 9: I found out that I was related to the guy
Speaker 9: that I was dating.
Speaker 2: That's the all that's you know what, that's a great middle,
Speaker 2: that's a great hook I'm now interested in. Let's hear
Speaker 2: the full story.
Speaker 9: So basically, I met this guy on Tinder. I matched
Speaker 9: with them, and I really liked him, and we've been
Speaker 9: dating for about like six months now, and a couple
Speaker 9: of weeks ago we took like a DNA test, like
Speaker 9: an on an ancestry dot com. And I guess I
Speaker 9: should mention that we had the same birthday when we
Speaker 9: first met, but you know, a lot of people have
Speaker 9: the same birthday, so we didn't really think anything of it,
Speaker 9: you know, just a coincidence. But anyways, back to the story. Okay,
Speaker 9: so we took it. We noticed we had a lot
Speaker 9: of similar relatives. And I don't know if you heard
Speaker 9: the part where I said we had the same birthday coincidental.
Speaker 9: A lot of people have the same birthday. I know
Speaker 9: it like five or six people that the same birthday
Speaker 9: as me. But when we started figuring out we had
Speaker 9: the same relatives on the ancestry dot com, Okay, this
Speaker 9: is kind of concerning. So we brought it up to
Speaker 9: our parents and sure enough, we are actually twins. And
Speaker 9: the reason we didn't know is because we are separated
Speaker 9: a month after we were born, because our parents got
Speaker 9: separated and one took the other.
Speaker 2: And your parents didn't know this.
Speaker 9: Well, they didn't know, like they didn't keep in contact
Speaker 9: with each other. I don't know why. It's really kind
Speaker 9: of messed up. But yeah, I know, it's really really crazy.
Speaker 2: So how long were you dating this guy before you
Speaker 2: found out he was your twin?
Speaker 9: Six months?
Speaker 2: Six months?
Speaker 8: Six months?
Speaker 2: Did you guys?
Speaker 9: Listen? I don't want to say listen, you can't. We
Speaker 9: neither of us knew. And that's also another thing, like
Speaker 9: I feel kind of gross about it? But should I?
Speaker 9: Because should I? Because I didn't know?
Speaker 2: How how do you feel about it?
Speaker 9: I feel I do. I do feel kind of gross
Speaker 9: about it, because I mean, who wouldn't. But at the
Speaker 9: same time, like, I also feel so contradicted, like should
Speaker 9: I feel bad when I didn't know? And I also
Speaker 9: don't know if I should keep in contact with him?
Speaker 9: He's here?
Speaker 2: Actually, oh he's he's with you.
Speaker 9: He is with me.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, let's get him on the phone.
Speaker 9: Okay, you want to talk to him right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, okay, here he is. All right, So you
Speaker 2: get sex with your sister. How do you how do
Speaker 2: you feel?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, you know, we didn't know. Uh, it's
Speaker 8: kind of weird. I don't I don't really like it,
Speaker 8: but you know, at the same time, I do care
Speaker 8: about it, And you know, we've been dating for six
Speaker 8: months and I don't know. I feel like you can
Speaker 8: see how this is conflicting.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. So what's what's your guys' relationship? Like now, I.
Speaker 8: Mean it's a little it's a little awkward now, but
Speaker 8: it was going really good up until we found that out.
Speaker 8: But now it's been a little Yeah, it's been a
Speaker 8: little awkward recently. So yeah, we've been just been like
Speaker 8: thinking what to do about it.
Speaker 2: Have your parents gotten back together with each other when
Speaker 2: when you guys were separated at birth, is it like
Speaker 2: was it like one parent kept one kid, one parent
Speaker 2: kept the other kid type of deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, my mom kept me and our dad kept her,
Speaker 8: and they've both gotten remarried since.
Speaker 2: So in these past six months, you never introduced either
Speaker 2: of each other to your family.
Speaker 8: Yeah, like like I met her parents and she met
Speaker 8: my parents. They just like they had never like obviously,
Speaker 8: we didn't recognize each other because we haven't seen each
Speaker 8: other since like I was a month old, and they
Speaker 8: kill our parents didn't keep in contact and they just
Speaker 8: kind of read to each take one. I'm not really
Speaker 8: sure because we believed our whole lives that are what
Speaker 8: actually was our our stepparents, was our real parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is sort of a lot of revelations
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, it's a big it's a big life life thing,
Speaker 8: not just a relationship. But so our parents have been
Speaker 8: lying to us for sometimes twenty years.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Okay, And have your parents, since finding out that you
Speaker 2: two data for six months gotten back in contact with
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 8: No, no, they y. I don't really know. It's it's
Speaker 8: been kind of awkward. We haven't really talked with our
Speaker 8: parents that much since finding out because we've been kind
Speaker 8: of like upset with them.
Speaker 2: Do they do they know?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they they found out that war dating. Yeah, they
Speaker 8: thought it was pretty weird as you can imagine.
Speaker 2: Interesting. So so what what what do we think is
Speaker 2: next here?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, that's kind of why we're calling you
Speaker 8: get because we're like, we do we keep dating? Do we?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think this one might be above
Speaker 2: my pay right here? Have you spoken to a real
Speaker 2: therapist about this?
Speaker 8: We have not. No, this is you know, necess fairly recent.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 8: Perhaps we should pick into that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Well it's I you know, look, it's well,
Speaker 2: it's nice that you guys are still friends. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, friendship is important.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, you know it's good. You know, now I
Speaker 8: have a sister.
Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I think that's the truth, right, I think
Speaker 2: you have to look on the bright side of this.
Speaker 2: You may lose a lover, but you've gained a sister,
Speaker 2: and that, at the end of the day is what's important.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's another point. I think to her, maybe let
Speaker 8: me let.
Speaker 2: Me, let me let me talk to her.
Speaker 9: Here she is, Hello, Uh.
Speaker 2: What did you say? Your name was, Alyssa? I think
Speaker 2: I was talking with what's your brother's name? Boyfriend? Or
Speaker 2: are talking with Archer and I think we've decided that
Speaker 2: we're going to look on the bright side of this.
Speaker 2: You know, you have lost a lover. You've lost a lover,
Speaker 2: but in turn, you've gained a brother, which debatably is
Speaker 2: more valuable because they'll be with you forever.
Speaker 9: I guess you're right about that. I guess that's that
Speaker 9: is a positive. I guess out of the situation.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally, totally, Yep, we'll think of very much for
Speaker 2: calling Elissae.
Speaker 9: Oh, thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Keke.
Speaker 2: Those two are going to be fine. Those two are
Speaker 2: gonna be fine. They have each other to guide them
Speaker 2: through thick and thin. I think it's people. I'm actually
Speaker 2: a little jealous, honestly about of how close of a
Speaker 2: bond they have with one another. You know, I wish
Speaker 2: I had that kind of, you know, closeness with another
Speaker 2: human being in my life. Those two are blessed.
Speaker 3: Stevie gags.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 6: That's going how are you? I actually I hate I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: You know, I've watched your streams so many times, and
Speaker 6: I really hate when people ask that because I just
Speaker 6: feel like you hate people asking you that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's not. I'm not mad at the I'm
Speaker 2: not okay, I'm not mad at the people. It's not.
Speaker 2: It's a common thing to do. When you see somebody,
Speaker 2: you ask them. It's an autopilot thing. I would never
Speaker 2: be mad at somebody asking how they are. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't think i'm mad at it. I think i'm
Speaker 2: mad that it exists as a form of social programming.
Speaker 2: But that fact that it exists as a form of
Speaker 2: social programming is nobody's fault in particular. It's just a
Speaker 2: natural occurrence. So I'm not mad at you or anyone else.
Speaker 4: No, I get that.
Speaker 6: It's the same thing that I get whenever I go
Speaker 6: to the checkout line at the grocery store and they
Speaker 6: feel like, how are you? You find everything okay? And
Speaker 6: I'm always like, oh, you know, I just feel like
Speaker 6: it's a you know, I just yeah, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 2: So, uh, Stevie, how's it going?
Speaker 3: How are you good man?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, I got screened and I was just
Speaker 6: trying to get some insight on a little thing where
Speaker 6: kind of in the middle of a breakup and kind
Speaker 6: of sprung upon me and I didn't really you know,
Speaker 6: my credit shit, and you know, I started going on
Speaker 6: Craigslist looking for potential roommates, and everything just depressed me.
Speaker 6: So I just I, you know, I started thinking more
Speaker 6: about the alternative, which is to become a homeless nomad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says here that you're contemplating becoming homeless.
Speaker 6: Yeah, voluntarily. It sounds way more exciting to me than
Speaker 6: than anything else. Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: So okay, tell me, tell me what about it feels
Speaker 2: exciting to you.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I have I have a pretty good job.
Speaker 3: I make really good money.
Speaker 6: And I'm trying to get away from that. And I
Speaker 6: just think that the you know, I don't have the
Speaker 6: money too.
Speaker 2: I want to have.
Speaker 6: I want to have more financial freedoms and stuff. But
Speaker 6: I just feel like renting is kind of a scae
Speaker 6: am and I just would rather not partake in that,
Speaker 6: and I'd rather travel and become my own, you know,
Speaker 6: my own person. Really, you know, it could just the
Speaker 6: rent and everything like having a roommate, having to trust
Speaker 6: someone that you don't really know, particularly, I don't really
Speaker 6: know what else to do.
Speaker 2: So so all right, So you have a job, and
Speaker 2: I assume this is like one of those work from
Speaker 2: home gigs that you can you're living the laptop lifestyle.
Speaker 3: Is that when I'm hearing no, no, not at all.
Speaker 6: I'm actually a freelance painter. I do interior homes.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so are you planning on quitting your job
Speaker 2: or are you going to keep your job but just
Speaker 2: not have a place to live.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm going to keep the job I work with.
Speaker 6: I started at my own business, and yeah, I was
Speaker 6: just like really thinking more about like taking up new
Speaker 6: alternatives because you know, painting is really hard on the body,
Speaker 6: and it's it's just really grueling work.
Speaker 3: That I don't I can't do forever.
Speaker 6: But you know, it's just like I said, that just
Speaker 6: kind of backs up more about what I'm doing with
Speaker 6: my time, and uh, I would rather find another avenues,
Speaker 6: but like renting is just gonna slow it down because.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm trying to get into the logistics of this,
Speaker 2: because are you so your freelance painter? So do you
Speaker 2: do you have to don't you have to sort of
Speaker 2: be in one place, like do you? Are you? Is
Speaker 2: your clientele all sort of centered around one location?
Speaker 6: Yeah? Pretty much. Yeah, I'm out in I have a
Speaker 6: certain town that I work around, and you know, I've
Speaker 6: been in this one neighborhood and picking up business like crazy.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I'm in one place and I'm currently living
Speaker 6: in this in my in the same place as my
Speaker 6: girlfriend as we've broken up and everything and everything is
Speaker 6: cool there, but like you know, yeah, I do have
Speaker 6: a place I need to be.
Speaker 3: Every day, right, so long hours?
Speaker 2: Right? So are you planning on shutting down your business
Speaker 2: to go travel?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Eventually once I get a new thing lined up, like
Speaker 6: I would, I want to become kind of a digital
Speaker 6: nomad and travel around and just experience the world and
Speaker 6: in my own on my own terms, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I've always wanted to do that.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted to travel around and as you say,
Speaker 2: experience the world on your own terms. And it sounds like, so,
Speaker 2: I guess the what's what's the financial situation? Oh? Here,
Speaker 2: do we have a nest stag of someting kinds or
Speaker 2: something that's kind of the problem.
Speaker 6: I've always had a problem with money, Like it's always
Speaker 6: been my thing. Like uh and that's the reason why
Speaker 6: this relationship kind of shipped the bed and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: so my girlfriend kind of had enough of it. I
Speaker 6: didn't know what else to do, and uh, I'm just trying,
Speaker 6: like and now it's just kind of like more of
Speaker 6: a thing that I've had to deal with it the
Speaker 6: you know that's been presented to me with this breakup.
Speaker 6: You know, I think you learn everything, you learn some
Speaker 6: out of anything. Is there's always something to be learned
Speaker 6: from it. And uh, this was the pretty serious relationship
Speaker 6: of three years, and uh, you know, I wanted to
Speaker 6: spend the rest of my life with her, but like
Speaker 6: with this whole thing finance, as I said that that's
Speaker 6: fair and uh yeah, I'm just like all right, well,
Speaker 6: you know, if anything to be taken from it is
Speaker 6: that I'm going to be more financially stable. And with that,
Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, I told everyone I tell about
Speaker 6: being coming homeless. They kind of you know, I'm thirty
Speaker 6: I'm thirty five right now, and they're like kind of
Speaker 6: get a little. Nobody really supports my decision, but I'm
Speaker 6: kind of firm on what I want to do.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you say you're firm what you want
Speaker 2: to do, you're this is are are we talking about
Speaker 2: this right now? From your headspace of look, I'm going
Speaker 2: to do it, but we're just you know here, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna I'm going to talk about it. Are you Are
Speaker 2: you firm in this plan?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 6: The other part of it is, uh is going onto
Speaker 6: And I don't think this is a healthier thing to
Speaker 6: be doing at the moment because I'm still kind of
Speaker 6: processing the breakup.
Speaker 3: But like I started.
Speaker 6: Going back onto the internet webs of dating, and okay,
Speaker 6: that's the only thing that decurs me from doing this,
Speaker 6: because I've started talking to some other girls, and you know,
Speaker 6: it's just like, hey, you know, how do you Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they're like, hey, can I come over tonight?
Speaker 2: And you're like, well about that?
Speaker 6: Yeah exactly. I mean, I know it's just silly and
Speaker 6: it's just kind of probably a distraction more than a
Speaker 6: really serious thing, and it's probably not cool of me
Speaker 6: to even interact with anybody at this moment.
Speaker 2: But well, well, well hold on, We'll hold on that.
Speaker 2: So here's what I mean. Look, here's the thing. If
Speaker 2: if if having a partner is important to you, Look, man,
Speaker 2: there's all there's all kinds of people out there. I
Speaker 2: know this might sound crazy, but I think people get
Speaker 2: stuck in that hole like, oh, women want a guy
Speaker 2: like this who has a house or whatever. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot do. But I'm also sure there's
Speaker 2: probably you know, plenty of women around the country who
Speaker 2: are also like man, I kind of also want to
Speaker 2: be homeless, you know, and maybe you guys hook up
Speaker 2: and you travel around together. You know, Like, there's all
Speaker 2: sorts of people who want all sorts of things. So
Speaker 2: I wouldn't go ahead, I would I wouldn't go out
Speaker 2: on a limb and saying that that you're closed off
Speaker 2: to romantic engagements due to your situation. In fact, some
Speaker 2: people might even find that attractive. As weird as that sounds.
Speaker 2: But but but sort of what were you gonna say?
Speaker 6: No, I was just agreeing with you pretty much.
Speaker 2: But but forgetting about the sort of finding a girl
Speaker 2: part of this, because I feel like that's that's sort
Speaker 2: of as you're saying, like a distraction. What yeah, what
Speaker 2: else is stopping you from from doing it? Have you
Speaker 2: have you done any like worst case scenario thinking like,
Speaker 2: is there any case scenario where you're you're gonna do
Speaker 2: this and then four months later be like, oh, holy fuck,
Speaker 2: I'm fucking screwed. Or is it like, like, what's what's
Speaker 2: what's the worst case scenario here?
Speaker 6: Well, I mean like I've I've never had a I've
Speaker 6: never even had a passport, it would be honest.
Speaker 3: So I mean, i've I've I've been to Canada.
Speaker 6: So it's about the extent of it, Okay. But I
Speaker 6: just kind I'm kind of a person that I just
Speaker 6: like to go in deep with things and figure it
Speaker 6: out from there. So I'm honestly confident with what I
Speaker 6: want to experience and not really too worried about too
Speaker 6: much of worst case scenario might get a problem overall.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Again, I'm not well, I don't know. Okay. So you
Speaker 2: say you have a tendency to dive into things without
Speaker 2: necessarily thinking them over, and you've been alive for thirty
Speaker 2: five years, and I assume you've been like that for
Speaker 2: several of those years, And how has this way of
Speaker 2: operating served you in life thus far?
Speaker 6: I've invested a lot of time and not much in return,
Speaker 6: in finances and with time and energy. You know, for instance,
Speaker 6: the house that I'm in with my ex girlfriend, I
Speaker 6: was building a studio for music production because she also
Speaker 6: does music production and stuff like that, and you know,
Speaker 6: I invested mine because you know, I was considering with
Speaker 6: her parents who owned the house. Actually they were gonna,
Speaker 6: like we were talking about renting to own and all
Speaker 6: that kind of stuff. And so I just kind of
Speaker 6: counted my chickens before they hatched and started just like
Speaker 6: tearing the room apart, rewiring, redoing all this stuff, and
Speaker 6: then before I knew it, like things kind of ended.
Speaker 2: So the relationship was over. And and that that whole
Speaker 2: let's make a home studio was that a I'll dive
Speaker 2: into it and figure it out as we go type
Speaker 2: of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Oh totally. I mean even not just with the.
Speaker 6: Idea of doing it, but just like also like doing
Speaker 6: stuff that I had no idea how to do it,
Speaker 6: but just figuring it out as I went along.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, all right, you did that. It failed. But
Speaker 2: yet here you are, do you have any deal? Are
Speaker 2: you in debt at all?
Speaker 6: I mean just with a little bit of taxes being
Speaker 6: in ten ninety nine and stuff like that, but not
Speaker 6: nothing too insane.
Speaker 2: No, okay, you're not in any crazy debt. Sounds like
Speaker 2: I don't know why I'm saying it. Sounds like like
Speaker 2: this is not information I can gather but from your voice.
Speaker 2: But it sounds like you have all your arms and legs.
Speaker 2: Sounds like your heart's beating. Sounds like you're fucked up
Speaker 2: and you failed, but you're not dead. You don't have
Speaker 2: any kids, do you? No, right, you have any kids
Speaker 2: who who rely on you?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 2: I mean I mean, what's uh No, Pat's great. I
Speaker 2: mean I mean, what's it? What's it's? What's at stake
Speaker 2: here for you?
Speaker 6: I mean, just just my dignity from what my family
Speaker 6: and my friends see, because you know, they're you know,
Speaker 6: they reach out and be like, what are you going
Speaker 6: to do?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 3: And I'm just like.
Speaker 6: Thinking just going to nomad homeless and uh and keeping
Speaker 6: my job and not getting involved in any drugs and
Speaker 6: not you know, keeping my head of like with the
Speaker 6: with the clear with a clear goal and uh, you know,
Speaker 6: doing what I want to do from this point on,
Speaker 6: you know, without any attachments. But then there's always the.
Speaker 3: Whole, you know, the loneliness and the you.
Speaker 6: Know, I still have my looks and my youth for somewhat, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like going online.
Speaker 6: I got some girls hitting on me and I'm reaching
Speaker 6: out to them and texting them back and forth.
Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 6: More into you know, the balance between trying to figure
Speaker 6: out if the relationship versus the freedom to doing what
Speaker 6: I want to do, like has always been kind of
Speaker 6: a struggle for me.
Speaker 2: Well, you've been in a relationship for about three years,
Speaker 2: so I don't know if I don't know if if
Speaker 2: your whole thing is going to want to be let's
Speaker 2: jump back into another one unless if you find it
Speaker 2: right person. Yeah, but if if this is the song
Speaker 2: your heart is singing and all that hippie ship, and.
Speaker 6: I feel like taking a hippie shit like the lay lines.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you've ever looked into that, but
Speaker 6: like I felt that Colorado has only offers a lot
Speaker 6: of work and not enough play, and I think that
Speaker 6: there's other places that will offer some more like great
Speaker 6: things for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I mean I'm bringing I'm making this about
Speaker 2: me right now. But I always think like if I
Speaker 2: you know, I got to be in this studio to
Speaker 2: do this podcast, and that's my gig right now. But
Speaker 2: I've always thought like, if I didn't have any like,
Speaker 2: any like I need to be at this place at
Speaker 2: this time type of type of thing, I'd probably do
Speaker 2: something similar. Man, I'd go to wherever they are. I
Speaker 2: would look up, you know, going Colorado Craigslist and be like, Hey,
Speaker 2: does anyone need me to dig a hole in the
Speaker 2: dirt for for a day for enough money to get
Speaker 2: me to the next day. I mean, I mean, fuck it.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you don't have a lot to lose,
Speaker 2: which in some cases, yes, is extremely lonely, but another
Speaker 2: case is extremely freedom and freeing.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I I'm hesitating to tell you to do anything either way,
Speaker 2: but I I I think if it's if it's what
Speaker 2: you want to do and you've thought it out to
Speaker 2: the point where you're like, well I can give this
Speaker 2: a shot and I won't die right then, then then
Speaker 2: go for it.
Speaker 6: I think what happened. I think the clear is pretty
Speaker 6: the path is pretty clear. But you know, I just
Speaker 6: I really do put all my faith in a gecko
Speaker 6: on the screen.
Speaker 2: Well, uh, you know, I hope that you know that
Speaker 2: I'm not responsible for anything happens to you, if you
Speaker 2: take anything from this.
Speaker 6: Call before we go, I was just one thing I've
Speaker 6: always wanted to know because I've heard you brought it
Speaker 6: up a couple of a few times about the makeup
Speaker 6: that you wear. Yeah, And I was wondering if you
Speaker 6: thought of any alternatives, like with technology, like you know.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, people have always yeah, people have always told
Speaker 2: me I should do some CGI thing, But I feel
Speaker 2: like that would be cheating. I feel like I need
Speaker 2: to do the paint every or else it's not. But
Speaker 2: you know, man, all look all kidding aside, I genuinely
Speaker 2: do wish you uh good luck and whatever it is
Speaker 2: that you choose to do. And I'm inspired. I'm inspired
Speaker 2: by you as well because I you know, I met
Speaker 2: what I said. I I also uh dream all the
Speaker 2: time of leaving behind all of my obligations to go
Speaker 2: travel and live the digital life. And if the only
Speaker 2: thing holding you back, if truly, I mean, if you've
Speaker 2: truly thought about this in an objective way and the
Speaker 2: only thing holding you back is, as you say, your
Speaker 2: dignity and like what other people will think of you,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's worth a whole lot in terms of.
Speaker 3: I don't think you there, so yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, go with whatever you think is best if you
Speaker 2: if you can remove that from the equation the your
Speaker 2: your dignity and what other people think of you.
Speaker 3: Thanks le sure man.
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed this conversation a lot.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it as well. Call us back, call us
Speaker 2: back in six months. Let us know where you are.
Speaker 2: Maybe you'll be in China or something that'd be cool.
Speaker 2: Send us a.
Speaker 3: Thailand.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, dude, all right, this is the last thing'm
Speaker 2: gonna say. I'm gona hang up, But I seriously in
Speaker 2: those I have moments of my life all the time
Speaker 2: where I imagine myself dropping everything and moving to a
Speaker 2: foreign country. And when that happens, I go to Airbnb
Speaker 2: and I search up. I go to Thailand or Vietnam
Speaker 2: or some shit, and I see these like apartments you
Speaker 2: can live in in Thailand for like like three hundred
Speaker 2: dollars a month or something that are super nice.
Speaker 6: Much while I'm thinking it's beautiful, it's cheap, it's it's.
Speaker 3: Everything that I want. Yeah, and my lay lines.
Speaker 6: I was mentioning that my lay lines go there, and
Speaker 6: it's just like everything that says go there, versus here
Speaker 6: just says work, work, work, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ah, go to Thailand. Go to Thailand. See if you
Speaker 2: can get a job digging a hole or whatever. It
Speaker 2: is enough to pay the rent for your two hundred
Speaker 2: dollars a month apartment and heal the sun on your
Speaker 2: skin and breathe the air and see what you can
Speaker 2: make out of that. Hell yeah, beautiful. Talk to you soon, Steve.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 2: See. I don't I don't know. This is why again.
Speaker 2: I I'm I'm the king of having an advice podcast
Speaker 2: where I disclaimed that I don't give advice, but uh, man,
Speaker 2: I really felt that, guy, man, I I mean it.
Speaker 2: I I think all the time about that kind of shit,
Speaker 2: like just being a nomad, right, because you only, like,
Speaker 2: if we want to get into our sort of ethereal headspace.
Speaker 2: You really do only live one life. And I don't
Speaker 2: know about you, guys, but I want to try to
Speaker 2: see as many things as I can see before I die.
Speaker 2: And I mean that's a luxury. Not a lot of
Speaker 2: people get to do that. A lot of people, you know,
Speaker 2: are sort of bound to staying in one place at
Speaker 2: one time. But I don't know, we have so many
Speaker 2: opportunities thanks to the Internet. There's couch surfing, there's we work,
Speaker 2: there's not not we work. What's what's the fucking work away?
Speaker 2: There's work away. There's Craigslist where you really can just
Speaker 2: like go to a place, go on the internet, find
Speaker 2: a gig, find a fucking place to live, and then
Speaker 2: just walk around. I really would like to believe that
Speaker 2: unless if you go to jail for a long time,
Speaker 2: or get somebody pregnant and have a child, or get
Speaker 2: pregnant yourself and have a child, you can kind of
Speaker 2: do whatever, and all you gotta do is not die.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, if Steve can accomplish
Speaker 2: his goals and not have a child, not go to jail,
Speaker 2: and not die, he'll be fine. He mentioned. The only
Speaker 2: thing that was fucking with him was the what people
Speaker 2: thought of him. But now that's a fake thing. Dying,
Speaker 2: having a child, going to jail all very real things.
Speaker 2: But what your parents think of you and what your
Speaker 2: friends think of you, I would I would say as
Speaker 2: not Hello, Hi, Hey is this Millie?
Speaker 7: It is Millie?
Speaker 2: Millie? How is life? What is life like?
Speaker 7: For life? Life is shit for Millie.
Speaker 1: But we're not going to talk about that. Today we're
Speaker 1: talking about something else.
Speaker 2: Okay, beautiful, what are we talking about?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 7: I haven't set foot in a Taco Bell in over
Speaker 7: ten years, and I really want, I really want to
Speaker 7: eat taco bell again. So as a kid, I used
Speaker 7: to frequent Taco Bell a lot. But I just I
Speaker 7: guess this is just one of those days where we
Speaker 7: went in, we ordered, we ate, and then I came
Speaker 7: home and everything was going fine. I was like playing
Speaker 7: on the couch with my brother and my sister and
Speaker 7: I just projectile vomited all over over my sister. And
Speaker 7: ever since that happened to me at the age of eleven,
Speaker 7: I've been definitely afraid of eating taco Bell.
Speaker 2: Because you're afraid that you will once again projectile vomit
Speaker 2: upon someone. Yes, yes, So why do you crave taco
Speaker 2: Bell if you believe it will make you projectile vomit?
Speaker 7: Well, I've just been seeing these ads for Taco Bell,
Speaker 7: Like people talk about the Box, I haven't.
Speaker 2: Seen these ads for Taco Bell.
Speaker 7: They're amazing, and the the Darrito Local Taco and some
Speaker 7: Crispy Chicken Tender taco recently, and I just like I've
Speaker 7: missed out on the case so Rito the NATO Prize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well okay, well Millie, well Millie, Millie, Millie, I mean,
Speaker 2: what's stopping you from okay? So your oh okay, First
Speaker 2: of all, First of all, before we get deeper into
Speaker 2: this conversation, is this real? Is this serious thing?
Speaker 1: This is real?
Speaker 7: I can't do it, Like I can't even go in
Speaker 7: like a Taco Bell drive through without wanting to vomit.
Speaker 7: Like I can't do it.
Speaker 2: Why don't you have somebody else bring you the food
Speaker 2: or order it?
Speaker 7: I can't, Like I can't even smell it, like just
Speaker 7: It's just I can't do it. And I see people
Speaker 7: eat it like I can, like online like the milk Bong,
Speaker 7: like on YouTube, I will I see people who eat
Speaker 7: Taco Bell and.
Speaker 2: Like, so okay, so all right, so you can watch
Speaker 2: people eat it both in real life. Can you if
Speaker 2: somebody is next to you eating it, will that gross
Speaker 2: you out?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't know what I'm having trouble understanding
Speaker 2: your Like this is one of the most contrad victory
Speaker 2: things I think I've ever heard, uh that you're insanely
Speaker 2: grossed out by Taco Bell if you smell it you
Speaker 2: want to throw up. If someone's near you, you're grossed out,
Speaker 2: But as much as you are grossed out by it,
Speaker 2: you decire to eat it. That doesn't make any sense
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 7: No, I know, but I just I have to eat it.
Speaker 7: It's like I have to, but I physically can't. And
Speaker 7: I've tried. I've tried, like just walking into a Taco
Speaker 7: Bell and I walk right back out. It's like I
Speaker 7: can't even get a truth.
Speaker 2: Really, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 2: you the truth. I'm gonna tell you the truth because
Speaker 2: I've eaten. I've eaten a lot of Taco Bell and
Speaker 2: I don't here's the thing, and I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 2: with you. Okay, I've eaten a lot of Taco Bell,
Speaker 2: and I don't regret a single trip I have ever
Speaker 2: taken to a Taco Bell. When I I am on
Speaker 2: my deathbed and my life flashes before my eyes and
Speaker 2: I'm watching a reel of probably a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: that I won't be proud of. But when the parts
Speaker 2: of my life in which I'm sitting at a Taco
Speaker 2: belt drive through passed by that reel, okay, I will
Speaker 2: I will smile. I will be happy. But Millie, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can live life without it. In fact, I feel
Speaker 2: like there's a chance for your life to be better
Speaker 2: with the absence of Taco Bell, and I think you
Speaker 2: gotta embrace that, Millie. Okay, but Millie, you can't focus
Speaker 2: on what you've missed out on. Okay, There's plenty of
Speaker 2: other good food options out there. There's Dell Taco, There's
Speaker 2: there's non taco related fast food to whatever, Chick fil a,
Speaker 2: Jack in the box, yeah, Sonic, there's all sorts of
Speaker 2: there's there's there's a whole world of cuisine out there, Millie,
Speaker 2: outside of just Taco Bell. And the more time you
Speaker 2: spend fixating on what you cannot have, the more you
Speaker 2: will be obsessed with it, the more it will ruin you.
Speaker 2: So so I encourage you to widen your field of
Speaker 2: vision and and embrace the other options that are in
Speaker 2: front of you, because if you're so narrow, so narrow,
Speaker 2: focused on the Taco Bell, you won't see the A
Speaker 2: and W right next to the Taco Bell, which has
Speaker 2: delicious chicken sandwiches and milkshakes, and you can and you
Speaker 2: can dip the chicken sandwich in the milkshake, and you
Speaker 2: can eat that. So I encourage you not to focus
Speaker 2: on the options unavailable to you, but instead to to
Speaker 2: uh take take me marrymant and and experienced, wonder at
Speaker 2: the options that are.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but it's like, did you ever eat at a
Speaker 7: local paco?
Speaker 2: I have? I have eaten a taco?
Speaker 7: Are they good?
Speaker 3: I want phenomenal people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great. It's mild sauce on there. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's the best thing I've ever read. But Millie, You'll
Speaker 2: be fine without it.
Speaker 7: I'll be okay without it. All right, thank you?
Speaker 2: Get go, Chris.
Speaker 4: Hello, Gek, how are you?
Speaker 2: Chris?
Speaker 4: I'm all right. Honestly, it's like the middle of the
Speaker 4: semester right now, and it could be better.
Speaker 2: It's the middle of the semester. What do you study?
Speaker 4: Study animal science at in America? And like the pursuit
Speaker 4: of being a veterinarian.
Speaker 2: You're trying to be a veterinarian. You know. The veterinarian
Speaker 2: thing is interesting to me because it's a sort of
Speaker 2: a catch twenty two where in order to become a
Speaker 2: veterinarian you have to like animals, but also in order
Speaker 2: to become a veterinarian, you have to watch animals die.
Speaker 4: Every day, Like I mean, yeah, it's like you want
Speaker 4: to save animals and stuff, Like you can't be a
Speaker 4: hero and I'm like a believer and leave no trace
Speaker 4: like with boy Scouts and stuff. Sure, and like part
Speaker 4: of that is like respecting the life cycle of the universe,
Speaker 4: and like wherever it's time for animal to go, it's
Speaker 4: just time for them to go, yep, And like you're
Speaker 4: there to facilitate that. So like you can live with
Speaker 4: the fact that the animal is dying, but you can
Speaker 4: also to make it like comfortable on its way out.
Speaker 2: Right. No, there's definitely a lot of pride to be
Speaker 2: had in doing that, that job of keeping an animal
Speaker 2: comfortable as it's as it's passing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like a respecting the way the life cycle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting. So sorry, So you seem to
Speaker 2: have a very objective, relaxed take on death in general, right,
Speaker 2: leave no trace, So to leave no trace includes dying,
Speaker 2: Like you have to die as a necessary element of
Speaker 2: leaving no trace, because living living forever is kind of
Speaker 2: like littering with yourself.
Speaker 4: Mhm. Yeah, like leaving your mark on the world in
Speaker 4: a way, like because you're just like a you're like
Speaker 4: a six hundred year old tree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're there.
Speaker 2: So how so how is how is this perspective that
Speaker 2: you have on animals and how death is just factoring
Speaker 2: into great cycle and you know all that jizz? How
Speaker 2: has that impacted your thoughts on your own.
Speaker 4: Death, on my own death? The way I see it
Speaker 4: is like I try to keep a lot of things
Speaker 4: in terms of like valuable things, like if I lose something,
Speaker 4: I lose it. But I don't try to hoard things.
Speaker 4: I feel like hoarding the something that like every religion
Speaker 4: kind of taboos like that big thing is like the
Speaker 4: seventh or whatever sense with greed, like hoarding things. This
Speaker 4: isn't right. So like kind of just like having a
Speaker 4: detachment of like it's just an item. It is what
Speaker 4: it is, and like you're gonna die one day and
Speaker 4: you're not gonna have it you that's something to take
Speaker 4: away from all of those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's sort of stomic philosophy having very little
Speaker 2: attachments to possessions or really anything outside of yourself or
Speaker 2: even yourself, because you know your friends, your family, your possessions,
Speaker 2: your statuses, No, none of that's coming with you where
Speaker 2: you're going.
Speaker 4: For real, but like you can't always plan on where
Speaker 4: you're going, and I think that's something to like push for,
Speaker 4: like having bucket list goals. Like right now, I'm checking
Speaker 4: off a bucket list talking to this gecko. This is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool talking to you too, Chris. I like
Speaker 2: your uh, I like your voice. You're very dreaming.
Speaker 4: I'm dreamy. I've had a long day. I've been up
Speaker 4: to like six o'clock.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, your tired voices is very dreamy.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. I don't know. I'm also I'm kind
Speaker 4: of cold right now. It's like twenty degrees outside in
Speaker 4: my apartment complex. Isn't very well insulated.
Speaker 2: Well that's your By the way, take note of this
Speaker 2: because these are your variables. Next time you're about to
Speaker 2: go on a date, make sure you're very tired and
Speaker 2: very cold. And uh they'll they'll find that very attractive.
Speaker 2: Uh So, oh crap, you were saying something that I
Speaker 2: interrupted you with you just all that stuff. What the
Speaker 2: fuck were you saying about death? I just your bucket list. Okay,
Speaker 2: your bucket list, Your bucket list, all right, So talking
Speaker 2: to me is on your bucket list. Check what else?
Speaker 2: What else we got on there?
Speaker 4: I don't say my buckets. I want to I want
Speaker 4: to publish a paper and academia. That's a bucket list.
Speaker 2: Side on, that's a good one. Kind of boring.
Speaker 3: H but I'm a.
Speaker 4: Sophomore in college right now.
Speaker 2: Hm oh, I said it's kind of boring.
Speaker 4: But to each their own, Like, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just kind of something I look up to, like
Speaker 4: to have something so well thought out and then documented
Speaker 4: and then permanently out there, not like in the sense
Speaker 4: of in the natural environment, but like out there for
Speaker 4: future generations to read and like pick up on, even
Speaker 4: if it's something like super MENI school. You know, I
Speaker 4: don't even think I said that right.
Speaker 2: A minute, No, no, no, I'm just I'm fucking with you.
Speaker 2: And I said I was boring, but uh no, I
Speaker 2: see the value in that.
Speaker 4: I come back it up. I'll think it's boring. I
Speaker 4: think it's cool.
Speaker 2: Ship uh anything else? You are right, So you want
Speaker 2: to pas you you want to publish a paper in academia.
Speaker 2: I mean I mean that that could take a while
Speaker 2: doing that. So that's that's a big one. You probably
Speaker 2: got room for. You probably got room for like two
Speaker 2: other things you can do before you die? What what? What?
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do with those? With those two
Speaker 2: other things?
Speaker 4: So I like to pick up trash, like whenever I'm
Speaker 4: walking the class and stuff. I want to pick up
Speaker 4: somebody's like mobile order, like you know, like that you
Speaker 4: get from Starbucks, and I want to prank call them.
Speaker 2: You want to you basically want to like drive door dash?
Speaker 4: No no, no no no, Like if somebody's littering, like if
Speaker 4: they litter their like Starbucks drink and like I'm walking
Speaker 4: the class and it's on the sidewalk, I pick it up.
Speaker 4: I dole their phone number and I prank call them.
Speaker 2: It's a very specific item. Do people put their phone
Speaker 2: number on their Starbucks cups? Is that a thing?
Speaker 4: I know? Like whenever you order door dash, like on
Speaker 4: on the receipt, they'll have the phone number.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, So if somebody litters a receipt, you want
Speaker 2: to prank call them? Yeah? What what would your prank
Speaker 2: call be? Do you have one in particular setup?
Speaker 4: I have to think of it in the moment. I
Speaker 4: don't want to have it like filled with rage because
Speaker 4: like I don't like whenever people litter, but I feel
Speaker 4: like whenever you're mad at somebody. You're just encouraging the behavior,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: I agree with that you got a good head on
Speaker 2: your shoulders. I agree with that you're not coming in
Speaker 2: here with rage because nobody, namely one person that's ever
Speaker 2: responded well to just getting cussed at or screamed at
Speaker 2: or whatever. It's not a it's never a convincing way
Speaker 2: of being.
Speaker 4: For real.
Speaker 2: But you do need to come up with something, because
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen is you're gonna call this number, like
Speaker 2: I'll just think of it in the moment, and then
Speaker 2: they'll go hello, and you'll go uh uh, fuck you,
Speaker 2: and then you'll hang up and you'll be like, ah,
Speaker 2: I should have planned something.
Speaker 4: I I think I think I would have. I think,
Speaker 4: honestly speaking about it, I would pretend that I was
Speaker 4: the restaurant they ordered from.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I like where this is going.
Speaker 4: Like, hey, like say they ordered like a caramel frapp,
Speaker 4: Hey that carmel s frapp you gave or we gave you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we actually put gorilla grew in it gorilla glue in
Speaker 4: it instead of like or like, hey, you forgot this,
Speaker 4: and then like make them go to the store and
Speaker 4: then ask like a fool. That would be funny.
Speaker 2: I like, okay, that's that's that's a pretty good one.
Speaker 2: The gorilla Ye see the gorilla blue one. If someone
Speaker 2: called me saying, hey, we put gorilla glue in your frappucino,
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I don't know what this is, but saying, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: you forgot something. That's a good one. Waste a little
Speaker 2: bit of their time, but not a fully egregious attack.
Speaker 4: Maybe, like I think it's a balanced.
Speaker 2: Right, right, you've got a credit card or it can't
Speaker 2: be there credit. It's got to be something because then
Speaker 2: they would check and their credit cards there or I
Speaker 2: don't know, but you're you know what you got. You
Speaker 2: got the gist of this down.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like guiding karma. That's like facilitating karma.
Speaker 2: Yes, you're a carmatic enforcement.
Speaker 4: Not to be like self righteous like that, Like I
Speaker 4: don't know can be righteous. But I got a bucket list, dude,
Speaker 4: what you're saying?
Speaker 2: It was Chris, Yeah, Chris, it's been. It's been fun
Speaker 2: ideating on your death with you and thinking of things
Speaker 2: that you can do.
Speaker 6: Before you die.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I watched One Piece and like a big thing
Speaker 4: is like with the will of d got to welcome
Speaker 4: death with a smile. I think I had I can
Speaker 4: do that. Yeah, but I've almost died before had I
Speaker 4: had a bomb?
Speaker 2: So I was doing it. Hhmm, how did you almost
Speaker 2: die before?
Speaker 4: You want it in fifteen seconds?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love it in fifteen seconds, all right.
Speaker 4: So I was driving a four wheeler on a like
Speaker 4: gravelly road and they just built some windmills and theyre
Speaker 4: was a cliff that they built and I didn't know
Speaker 4: the cliff was there, and I was in like forty
Speaker 4: miles an hour and I went off the cliffs hit
Speaker 4: a rock and I was stuck under the four wheeler
Speaker 4: for like an hour.
Speaker 2: See, I just call a four wheeler a car. It's
Speaker 2: like to really use the term four wheeler.
Speaker 4: Like, you know, like a I think like a go cart,
Speaker 4: but bef oh.
Speaker 2: It's an ATV.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like, maybe this isn't Maybe this isn't what you
Speaker 2: wanted me to get out of that story. But I
Speaker 2: really think that they should use a different term than
Speaker 2: four wheeler because there are a very broad range of
Speaker 2: vehicles that have four wheels.
Speaker 4: Four wheel has four wheels, oh yeah, yes, or like
Speaker 4: it feels like a go cart that has five wheels,
Speaker 4: the steering wheel.
Speaker 2: Okay, but my like my car, My car is a
Speaker 2: four wheeler.
Speaker 4: No, your cars are five. Your cars are six wheeler,
Speaker 4: has a spear in the trunk, has a steering wheel.
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't have a spare wheel. I
Speaker 2: don't have a spare wheel in the trunk, but I
Speaker 2: do have a steering wheel. So I guess you are right.
Speaker 2: But does the four wheel that you're talking about, does
Speaker 2: that have a steering wheel.
Speaker 4: No, it has a handlebar.
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon, Chris, take care.
Speaker 4: Of gek say say stay Gecky.
Speaker 2: On the line. I'm teaching you.
Speaker 1: Tells you life, but he's not really an expert.