WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: White House Weekly #35

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<v Speaker 1>Colzon Media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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<v Speaker 2>what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>joined by Mia Wong Jamestown and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>This week, we're covering the week of September eighteen to

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<v Speaker 2>September twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened. It's a bit short one.

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<v Speaker 2>Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America

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<v Speaker 2>and abroad, only the most stable out of all democratic countries.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the democracies were easily the

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<v Speaker 1>most democratic.

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<v Speaker 4>Shining city on a hill. It's saying, that's right, that's right, elevated. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and

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<v Speaker 4>ice detention facility to start off with.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, sure, that's the big news story today is that

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a shooting at an ice facility in Dallas.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not the first shooting at a North Texas

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<v Speaker 1>ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured.

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<v Speaker 1>Last I saw, they were in an ice van, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It

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<v Speaker 1>seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then

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<v Speaker 1>killed themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared

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<v Speaker 4>pretty quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything

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<v Speaker 4>website a photo of a strip eclip of what looks

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<v Speaker 4>a lot like ein't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had

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<v Speaker 4>the wood anti ice written on it in blue pen

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<v Speaker 4>in block capital letters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared

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<v Speaker 1>to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I think,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals

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<v Speaker 1>and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky,

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<v Speaker 1>and on just looking at friends on Facebook, they have

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<v Speaker 1>pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must

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<v Speaker 1>have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice

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<v Speaker 1>on the bullet, or this is some sort of federal conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of conspiracism here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming

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<v Speaker 2>for if they were just aiming at ice property, right

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<v Speaker 2>like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they think whoever was an ad van was a cop?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? Yeah, most of this lines up with the person

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<v Speaker 4>being the sort of person who ends up being a

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<v Speaker 4>high profile shooter, right, Like, they're not so much an

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<v Speaker 4>ideologically motivated person as someone who, like you say, pretty

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<v Speaker 4>low effort wrote anti ice on their bullets at the

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<v Speaker 4>last minute of not on the bullet, but on the

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<v Speaker 4>casing that holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I understand how that works.

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<v Speaker 1>And this just fits. This is something I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are

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<v Speaker 1>heavily driven by mimetic spread.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more

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<v Speaker 1>than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do

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<v Speaker 1>have shooters who are let's say original, right like the

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<v Speaker 1>christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things

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<v Speaker 1>to do in mass shootings and then in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it

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<v Speaker 1>gets a lot of attention, right Like, if there's a

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<v Speaker 1>mass shooting that gets a lot more media coverage than

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<v Speaker 1>other ones, there will be people who copy it and

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<v Speaker 1>who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into

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<v Speaker 1>that pattern is you had a really high profile North

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<v Speaker 1>Texas shooting at a nice facility. Then you had a

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<v Speaker 1>really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle

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<v Speaker 1>shot at targets from the top of a roof, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess it's just like, Yeah, that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>scans to me, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this

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<v Speaker 4>conspiracy zerm So the guy used a Mauser rifle, different

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<v Speaker 4>type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks

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<v Speaker 4>to me like a con ninety eight. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The previous one was a very old Mauser that had

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<v Speaker 1>been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>very common American round. This one looks to have been

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<v Speaker 1>an original car ninety eight K that was still an

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<v Speaker 1>eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that

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<v Speaker 1>was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two. Yeah, it's not weird. He would have access

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<v Speaker 1>to that. He probably didn't have to buy it or

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<v Speaker 1>passed the background check to get it. Looking at Garrison

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<v Speaker 1>found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the things that was on there is

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<v Speaker 1>her talking about how she recently had to clean out

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<v Speaker 1>like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and

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<v Speaker 1>dad had owned and get rid of a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them, very likely was a veteran, could have brought

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<v Speaker 1>back a car ninety eight k as hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of gis did, yeah, from the war, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>have just gotten passed down under the family. Right, not weird, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>No way at all. Like you say, there are probably

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of thousands of these in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It was very common. And again that's more or less

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<v Speaker 1>probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why why they

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<v Speaker 1>had a mouser right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not uncommon at all. Someone in especially somewhere like

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<v Speaker 4>Texas where you know those rifles, even if you didn't

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<v Speaker 4>bring them back from World War One, like could have

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<v Speaker 4>been obtained by private party transfer any time in the

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<v Speaker 4>last seventy five years. So he'd been placed on probation

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<v Speaker 4>for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty

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<v Speaker 4>and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas it's considered

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<v Speaker 4>dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he

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<v Speaker 4>was in possession of an amount greater than a quarter

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<v Speaker 4>ounce but less than five pounds. I'm not that familiar

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<v Speaker 4>with Texas law in that regard, but that is a

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<v Speaker 4>thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that effects his ability to obtain

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<v Speaker 4>a new firearm by doing a forty four to seventy three.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in

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<v Speaker 1>a parking lot and buy a gun exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not relevant.

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<v Speaker 1>As I did when I lived in Texas almost every month.

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<v Speaker 4>Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy

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<v Speaker 4>to get a gun in Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he get the gun? It could have He

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<v Speaker 1>could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded

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<v Speaker 1>groceries for it like you just don't know, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's no barriers to him owning this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we still don't know very much about this guy

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<v Speaker 2>outside of his like public arrest record. I have like

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<v Speaker 2>a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he voted in the twenty twenty Democratic primary.

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<v Speaker 5>We know that from Texas voting records.

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<v Speaker 2>His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not

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<v Speaker 2>expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg

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<v Speaker 2>Abbot's pro gun stances.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was definitely like anti NRA, anti.

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<v Speaker 2>Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a senator Korn

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<v Speaker 2>and Cruise not taking action for gun control damp.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would ever

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<v Speaker 4>be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>this is kind of central to the gun that people

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<v Speaker 4>generally fail is reasonable to people to own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from

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<v Speaker 1>a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills

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<v Speaker 1>that are looking at stopping face to face sales wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>stop this because the dims always tend to include an

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<v Speaker 1>exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, on an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep.

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<v Speaker 2>His profile picture is like a Soviet communist carerture. But again,

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<v Speaker 2>that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We

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<v Speaker 2>still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics.

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<v Speaker 2>But people have been quick to call this a false

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<v Speaker 2>flag when I think this appears more like in the

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<v Speaker 2>manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>vis a vis the years of lead paint, Like brain

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<v Speaker 2>rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>appear akin to a half baked false flag. This is

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<v Speaker 2>like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction

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<v Speaker 2>inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the lens

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<v Speaker 2>of fiction. So people project onto the state this like

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty CIA staging world events. Thing like everything's become

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<v Speaker 2>so like Eddington pilled.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big

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<v Speaker 6>example of this someone I forget exactly what it was,

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<v Speaker 6>like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something,

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<v Speaker 6>and everyone that I knew was convinced it was a

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<v Speaker 6>false flag, Like yeah, all over Twitter's Olver Blues. Everyone

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<v Speaker 6>thought it was a false flag, and it's just like

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<v Speaker 6>all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that

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<v Speaker 6>you'reson you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of

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<v Speaker 6>all this is a false flag, then you have the

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<v Speaker 6>other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and

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<v Speaker 6>they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other.

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<v Speaker 5>Nashing into each other. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Like people are so quick just to point the

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<v Speaker 2>Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might

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<v Speaker 2>confuse you at first glance, Like if you cannot understand

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<v Speaker 2>that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing

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<v Speaker 2>like this, inspired by recent events and scribble something onto

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<v Speaker 2>a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE

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<v Speaker 2>agents ICE property, inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have no way to understand that as a premise, and

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<v Speaker 2>the only way that you can see something like this

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<v Speaker 2>is happening is like a beat cop walking up to

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<v Speaker 2>the crime scene realizing he has to alter it to

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<v Speaker 2>fit an agenda. Like that is a way more disjointed

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<v Speaker 2>and like broken reality to force yourself to believe than

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<v Speaker 2>just take the facts as they come and evaluate them

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<v Speaker 2>slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies

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<v Speaker 2>your emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where

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<v Speaker 2>multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take

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<v Speaker 2>a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks increasingly

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<v Speaker 2>through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have a clear look at his politics or

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<v Speaker 2>if he really even had serious politics.

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<v Speaker 5>But there are a lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, or angry

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<v Speaker 2>and might not write a stupid twitter brained manifesto and

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<v Speaker 2>scribbling anti ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere

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<v Speaker 2>or some kind of ironic ship post. If anti ice

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<v Speaker 2>sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish Ice, again,

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<v Speaker 2>not everyone is part of like the leftist twitter brained

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<v Speaker 2>terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't really thinking things

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<v Speaker 2>through intently anyway, as is common with these like quick

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<v Speaker 2>copycat style attacks and attacks like this are also sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>just harshly driven by suicide, wanting to do something as

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the suicidal act, and like who knows

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<v Speaker 2>what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought

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<v Speaker 2>they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sounds like from the text of the NBC article

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<v Speaker 1>like they broke the news to him, which is.

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<v Speaker 5>Oof, that's fucked up, not great.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he said the last time he'd seen his

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<v Speaker 1>brothers two weeks ago, he was not particularly political. He

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<v Speaker 1>had never mentioned anything about Ice. As far as his

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<v Speaker 1>brother knew, he had no hatred or particular feelings about

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<v Speaker 1>Ice either way. He was registered as political independent. His

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<v Speaker 1>brother said that his parents had a rifle and that

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<v Speaker 1>he knew that his brother knew how to shoot it,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he didn't think he knew how to make

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<v Speaker 1>a shot like that. I don't think he knew anything

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<v Speaker 1>about the quality of shot. And it doesn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>he did anything but shoot into a van and then

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<v Speaker 1>kill himself. So, he was recently unemployed and was looking

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<v Speaker 1>to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, but he

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<v Speaker 1>was raised in Alan. The whole unemployed didn't sound like

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<v Speaker 1>he felt like he had a lot of maybe opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>going forward. His life was not going great, Like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, like I'm not having trouble seeing this all

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<v Speaker 1>add up now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the people who do some crazy hit like

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<v Speaker 2>this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action

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<v Speaker 2>like this, And sometimes his manifests were something akin to

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, this is like a bad term, but

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<v Speaker 2>like suicide by cop right, and like similar to what

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<v Speaker 2>Roberts said about like mimetic and like copycat shootings. You

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<v Speaker 2>can see some of what's on display here in the

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<v Speaker 2>lineage of Luigi Mangioni allegedly writing denying to pose on bullets,

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<v Speaker 2>then the Charlie kirkshooting with stuff for non bullets. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is something that's not like in our Zeitgei.

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<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't require you to be like an online

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<v Speaker 2>communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated

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<v Speaker 2>to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to

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<v Speaker 2>cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in

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<v Speaker 2>this left wing violence spike that the right is currently

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<v Speaker 2>really running with.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, folks, if you are convinced that this is

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<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is

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<v Speaker 1>going to convince you. Otherwise, it's kind of a I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go on too bleak of a rantier,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, I almost feel like there's not really a

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<v Speaker 1>point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into

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<v Speaker 1>the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be the one where, like they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with the complexities the world. That like, some

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<v Speaker 1>people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are similar

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<v Speaker 1>to you will also do fucked up shit, right like that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's just America. That's living in a country with four

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million guns. That's living in a country where mass

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<v Speaker 1>shootings go viral and where people act based off the

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<v Speaker 1>virality of shootings that they watch or see or hear about. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, like there's a part of me that feels

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<v Speaker 1>like caring about the reality of the situation is almost

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<v Speaker 1>a vanity project, that like, it doesn't win you anything. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't get you anywhere, It doesn't help you make

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<v Speaker 1>the world better. Maybe just embracing a fall like the

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<v Speaker 1>right has gotten very far in embracing completely fraudulent realities.

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<v Speaker 1>So why do I even care?

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<v Speaker 2>I Mean, this is something I've talked about with like

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<v Speaker 2>the flattening of tactics, with the right adopting state sponsored

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<v Speaker 2>cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial in like

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<v Speaker 2>replies to tweet some blue Sky posts talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the bulleting markings have to be a false flag.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing people share memes like Pepe like psyop memes,

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<v Speaker 2>but like like leftists and like like oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>liberals sharing sharing these memes that you used to just

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<v Speaker 2>see under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>how big world events are all stage or the Feds

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<v Speaker 2>are faking everything, and it's it's just this complete like

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<v Speaker 2>swap more accurately a flattening of tactics, and yeah, like it.

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<v Speaker 5>It.

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<v Speaker 2>It sucks to be in a position where I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate

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<v Speaker 2>things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images

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<v Speaker 2>about how everything is a syop and how everything is

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<v Speaker 2>a false flag.

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<v Speaker 1>Lameo obvious psyop work done.

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<v Speaker 2>Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling, and instead

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just tired.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and

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<v Speaker 1>believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about Antifa when we come back.

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<v Speaker 4>It comes from a mind control pond.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa.

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<v Speaker 1>I hardly no, that doesn't Garrison, just continue.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have anything to say about that.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what

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<v Speaker 1>James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>Moira Meltzer Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will be doing that with a lawyer who

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<v Speaker 1>is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess kind of what we want to do briefly

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode is try and pull people back from

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<v Speaker 1>a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration

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<v Speaker 1>is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely

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<v Speaker 1>will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything

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<v Speaker 1>that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left.

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<v Speaker 1>But this declaration, as people pointed out, it's not like

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<v Speaker 1>a thing the president declaring somethingtic terrorist group like. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like none of this is anything that like has

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<v Speaker 1>a legal force bind it, which doesn't mean again that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to continue to go after people. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, applying

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<v Speaker 1>RICO charges and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>This is stuff that goes back to the nineties, right

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<v Speaker 2>to the scare Yeah right, yeah. With with environmental organizations,

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<v Speaker 2>there is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to go after like funders and trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like

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<v Speaker 2>label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign

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<v Speaker 2>an executive order to quote unquote designate Antifa as a

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<v Speaker 2>domestic terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>All relevant Executive Departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable

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<v Speaker 2>authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations,

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<v Speaker 2>especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any

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<v Speaker 2>person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for

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<v Speaker 2>which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of Antifa provide material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutoral actions,

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<v Speaker 2>against those who fund such operations.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like anything in the United States, if you're

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<v Speaker 4>going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the US

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<v Speaker 4>attorney has to bring a case against you, and there

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<v Speaker 4>has to be a crime that you have committed. The

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<v Speaker 4>executive branch does not make law, but legislative branch makes law.

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<v Speaker 4>They try, and they tried a lot last time as well.

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<v Speaker 4>I do want to remind everyone that right now we

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<v Speaker 4>still have courts, and as we're seeing in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 4>and in other places, grand juries are not returning indictments.

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<v Speaker 4>When the a USA brings a shoddy case or tries

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<v Speaker 4>to proscute some of something that isn't a crime, that

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<v Speaker 4>right now is the case. I'm not saying it will

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<v Speaker 4>be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at, and

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<v Speaker 4>we can take a step back from the ledge if

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<v Speaker 4>we know that. I hope for people who are under

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<v Speaker 4>standably very afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these

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<v Speaker 1>are scary times. I'm just saying, like, don't assume that

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<v Speaker 1>there's no point to fighting back, or there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>to do so, that you'll just like wind up in

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<v Speaker 1>a fucking camp. Because people are going to court right

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<v Speaker 1>now and winning yea, and those court cases have not

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<v Speaker 1>been invalidated by the administration. That they're not just taking

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<v Speaker 1>people into custody anyway like people have repeatedly gotten off

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<v Speaker 1>for charges of assaulting ICE officers because they were bullshit charges, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's all I'm trying to say right now.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are

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<v Speaker 6>actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order,

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<v Speaker 6>you can see what they're scared of, right, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>to do the mildly cringe and or a quote authority

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<v Speaker 6>is brittal, oppression is the mask of fear. God Plade

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<v Speaker 6>Stole is stealing my shit.

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<v Speaker 5>You and prickser holding hands meme fading and.

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<v Speaker 1>Or apparently is a big Star Wars guy.

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<v Speaker 6>But if you look at like what's actually in there, right, Like, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean some of it's like obviously twenty twenty stuff,

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<v Speaker 6>and then they're talking about like violent assaults on immigration

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<v Speaker 6>and Customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials in routine dosing,

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<v Speaker 6>and other threats against public figures and activists. Like they

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<v Speaker 6>are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE appears

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<v Speaker 6>a whole bunch of people, most of who are just

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<v Speaker 6>like random people in sweatpants. I have seen so many

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<v Speaker 6>pictures from every single city that there's like loscualized deployments

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<v Speaker 6>are there's just like people in sweatpants who just like

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<v Speaker 6>walk out of their houses and start taking pictures of

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<v Speaker 6>ice agents. They are very much concerned about this, right,

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<v Speaker 6>This is why they're trying to do this crackdown because

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<v Speaker 6>the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough.

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<v Speaker 6>You know. It's not not that they haven't been able

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<v Speaker 6>to do ice raids, but it has degraded their capacity

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<v Speaker 6>to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this

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<v Speaker 6>shit out so that they can, you know, as as

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<v Speaker 6>an attempt to intimidate people and as at to like

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<v Speaker 6>get people to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing,

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<v Speaker 6>which has been like effective enough to really shift the

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<v Speaker 6>way ICE has been forced to do these things.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the

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<v Speaker 4>like one of the first incidents of people like imposing

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<v Speaker 4>an ice rad it was in South Park in San Diego. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>these people are not like like organized members of Antifa.

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<v Speaker 4>Like South Park is a pretty bougey place. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>a vegan small plates restaurant and cocktail place.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people who are pissed that their neighbors are

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<v Speaker 1>getting abducted.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're just people who were there and were like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>fuck you, this seems wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, and again, like we talked about this last week,

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<v Speaker 6>like this is happening in Wheaton, Like people in evangelical

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<v Speaker 6>college towns are or seeing ice trucks roll up and

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<v Speaker 6>like just walking over to them and yelling at them

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<v Speaker 6>and filming them, and that sometimes is enough to make

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<v Speaker 6>them just run away. And that's what this is. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>they're of the fact that they live in an entire

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<v Speaker 6>country of people who don't like that you're dragging their

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<v Speaker 6>neighbors away at gunpoint, and that's a sign to do

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<v Speaker 6>more and not you know, sort of given to fear

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<v Speaker 6>every time there's some executive order bullshit that happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, talking about things where the regime has not been

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<v Speaker 4>as successful as it wanted to. Right, Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 4>the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke about this

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<v Speaker 4>on ED I think last week potentially the week before, right.

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<v Speaker 4>These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds

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<v Speaker 4>of a labored eight weekend and in that time Judge

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<v Speaker 4>Sparkle Supernanan theyshued an emergency protective order. But we've now

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<v Speaker 4>seen a class action which would bring a more permanent

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<v Speaker 4>protective order for these children. Judge Timothy Kelly I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to quote him here. He was talking about the government's

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<v Speaker 4>case and he said it had quote crumbled like a

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<v Speaker 4>house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblower's

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<v Speaker 4>account contradicted the government's claim, and his claim was made

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<v Speaker 4>by Acting Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angie Salazar.

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<v Speaker 4>Salazar said under oath that the children have vin screen

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<v Speaker 4>to ensure they would not be subject to abuse on neglect.

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<v Speaker 4>The whistlebowers claimed that at least thirty of these children

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<v Speaker 4>had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators

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<v Speaker 4>of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them

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<v Speaker 4>would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or

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<v Speaker 4>potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this

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<v Speaker 4>was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database

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<v Speaker 4>and such that the acting Director would have access to

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<v Speaker 4>that information. Right. The printed a lot of other evidence

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<v Speaker 4>to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in

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<v Speaker 4>the case, and to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children

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<v Speaker 4>who have received neither a final removal order nor permission

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<v Speaker 4>from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So,

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<v Speaker 4>if you remember, the government had previously said that they

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<v Speaker 4>were resettling these children and that the DA had nothing

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<v Speaker 4>to do with it, that it was an Office of

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<v Speaker 4>Refugee Resettlement operation, right, and that their families wanted them

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<v Speaker 4>home and the families didn't want them home.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>They dropped that claim later. So this is a win. Right.

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<v Speaker 4>They couldn't take these little children away in the night

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<v Speaker 4>and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be

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<v Speaker 4>in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two

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<v Speaker 4>for this week's episode. This is the one that you

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<v Speaker 4>probably heard less about than the Antifa one. But this

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<v Speaker 4>is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right,

0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:39.479
<v Speaker 4>He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard

0:24:39.520 --> 0:24:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.000
<v Speaker 4>for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump

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<v Speaker 4>card dot gov. That the original stated price was five million.

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<v Speaker 4>The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to

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<v Speaker 4>just one million US dollars one million, one million million

0:25:00.359 --> 0:25:04.639
<v Speaker 4>American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it,

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.439
<v Speaker 4>that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in

0:25:07.440 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 4>the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's

0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:17.120
<v Speaker 4>promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 4>announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to

0:25:19.880 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 4>do this statutorily? Right, how's he going to do it legally?

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.560
<v Speaker 4>When it turns out his plan is to consider the

0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 4>donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:32.680
<v Speaker 4>business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB

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<v Speaker 4>two visa. Oh my god, yeah, so like you could

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:38.400
<v Speaker 4>you could have never engaged in business in your life. Right,

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.480
<v Speaker 4>you could receive a small loan of one million dollars

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:44.639
<v Speaker 4>from your parents, sure, and that would allow you to

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 4>get one of these. Now, people will go through all

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 4>the usual background checks, right, which, according to the EO,

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 4>will be expedited. Right. You can't be like a Apple

0:25:53.200 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 4>background bug daddy. He's dead now, but you couldn't be

0:25:56.640 --> 0:25:58.840
<v Speaker 4>him with a million dollars, right and do this?

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<v Speaker 1>For example, I like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would

0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.360
<v Speaker 1>like try to move to the US, but would put

0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.080
<v Speaker 1>his real name and his application for.

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<v Speaker 5>Coming.

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<v Speaker 4>You got a check for this, yeah, but everyone's god damaged,

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:15.679
<v Speaker 4>unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy, and.

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:17.720
<v Speaker 1>There's like a fifty percent chance that it would have

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>gotten approved that just like no one would have liked

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>would have had his name on. Yeah. Well look, guys,

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the Khalif of Isis is like fucking living in Brooklyn.

0:26:28.160 --> 0:26:30.560
<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know,

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.919
<v Speaker 4>with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization.

0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:35.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm excited for his ted doc.

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.240
<v Speaker 4>He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:46.200
<v Speaker 4>controlled area of Syria. No, okay, so, to be clear,

0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 4>is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration, Yes,

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:53.040
<v Speaker 4>a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right,

0:26:53.080 --> 0:26:55.280
<v Speaker 4>so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on

0:26:55.320 --> 0:27:01.439
<v Speaker 4>your behalf. And the cards will supposedly b gold and

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 4>have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 4>the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand

0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 4>dollar bill to the H one B visa application so

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.960
<v Speaker 4>the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're

0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:19.840
<v Speaker 4>not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor,

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:23.240
<v Speaker 4>and particularly interested in this because this was one of

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:27.440
<v Speaker 4>the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture. In

0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:30.359
<v Speaker 4>the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 4>the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk

0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 4>going like, no, H one B is a good they

0:27:37.359 --> 0:27:39.439
<v Speaker 4>allow us. They allow them to bring people to this

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.640
<v Speaker 4>country and pay them not very much and take advantage

0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:43.320
<v Speaker 4>of they're skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech

0:27:43.359 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 4>industry to do.

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 7>Right.

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 4>Sure. And then we saw the more straight up white

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.200
<v Speaker 4>nationalists right being like, but those people aren't white, we

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 4>don't want them here. And it seems like it is

0:27:53.240 --> 0:27:58.239
<v Speaker 4>that cadra of the Trump coalition, that that part of

0:27:58.280 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 4>his of his ideological sort of support base, which has

0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 4>won out in this instance. Right, because companies cannot save

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:08.000
<v Speaker 4>money paying someone twenty grand less if they have to

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 4>pay one hundred ges to get them into the country, right, Like,

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 4>individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the

0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.000
<v Speaker 4>visa that way, like if they came from wealthy family

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.120
<v Speaker 4>in another country and it just desperately wanted to work

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 4>in the US. But generally H one b's are used

0:28:21.840 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 4>because employees they can't leave. Right. Your visa is tied

0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 4>to your employer, so the employment can be much less favorable,

0:28:29.160 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 4>especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping

0:28:32.000 --> 0:28:34.080
<v Speaker 4>and changing jobs to try and get a better wage,

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.679
<v Speaker 4>better benefits, et cetera. They can't do that, and so

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 4>that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want

0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:43.800
<v Speaker 4>to talk about immigration judges, and the Trump administration has

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 4>fired even more of them. According to NPR, when Trump

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:50.000
<v Speaker 4>came into office, they're about seven hundred and thirty five

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 4>of these judges. There are now fewer than five hundred

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 4>and eighty.

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 5>Why, oh my god.

0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. Right. Not all of

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 4>them were fired. Some of them took a vantage of

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 4>the quote unquote fork in the road offer. If we

0:29:03.280 --> 0:29:07.080
<v Speaker 4>remember like early early Trump two point zero, do stuff

0:29:07.440 --> 0:29:10.440
<v Speaker 4>in the immigration judges just so people understand, Like people

0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.160
<v Speaker 4>are like what they fire a judge? How can they

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 4>do that? Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary.

0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 4>They are a better way of seeing them would be

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 4>a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, I guess,

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 4>worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 4>process to the immigration world. Right, Like in many cases

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 4>they have you know, they're not just rubber stamping deportation orders.

0:29:37.720 --> 0:29:37.840
<v Speaker 5>Right.

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 4>People do have a chance to make their case in

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 4>front of immigration judges. And even in Trump two point o.

0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 4>People are still getting asylum in the United States. The

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 4>courts right now are extremely backed up. Right, people are

0:29:51.280 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 4>getting here in decks in twenty twenty eight. As we

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 4>heard earlier this week, some courts I read that one

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 4>court is now running at twenty five percent of its capacity,

0:30:00.200 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Like it's supposed to have twenty one judges and it

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 4>has five. Yep, so this means that people will be

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 4>in detention for longer. I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like,

0:30:11.960 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 4>h well, one could make that case. Very Yeah. The

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 4>DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the

0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Trump administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 4>lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 4>going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 4>people that they expect to get. It depends on it

0:30:34.080 --> 0:30:35.760
<v Speaker 4>if they sort of hand pick those jags or they

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 4>just got a bunch of people from the National Guard.

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 4>But sure, I don't think that that's going to be

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.080
<v Speaker 4>the just like straight up deportation factory that some people

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 4>might assume it to be. But nonetheless, right now what

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 4>we have is five hundred and eighty judges, tens of

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:53.200
<v Speaker 4>thousands of people in detention, and detention numbers and detention

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 4>over crowding growing every single day, so that is not good.

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 4>Detention facilities are terrible at the best of times, and

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 4>conditions are pretty awful for I think I've heard right

0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:08.360
<v Speaker 4>now talking of things that are pretty awful. Here are

0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:10.160
<v Speaker 4>some products and services.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait a second, do y'all hear that music?

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<v Speaker 5>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 4>Jazz?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry?

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<v Speaker 8>Z right?

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<v Speaker 4>Jazz? Wow. We haven't had the song for a while.

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<v Speaker 4>That was nice, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>That was good.

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<v Speaker 5>That was good, just like old times.

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<v Speaker 1>Bring it back, just like old times.

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<v Speaker 4>Several months ago, Garrison has a stir alarm clock, do

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<v Speaker 4>you Garrison?

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<v Speaker 5>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.120
<v Speaker 1>be too much. That would be too much. I would

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<v Speaker 1>I would need we would need to interview.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Mia? How our tariffs be?

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<v Speaker 4>Do so?

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 6>We have some tariff news. One is that we have

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:22.240
<v Speaker 6>a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 6>whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:26.680
<v Speaker 6>to continue or not. That is going to be on

0:32:26.720 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 6>November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 6>think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs,

0:32:34.600 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 6>we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 6>political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 6>him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there

0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:50.880
<v Speaker 6>was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly

0:32:50.960 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 6>quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still

0:32:54.160 --> 0:32:58.280
<v Speaker 6>into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole

0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 6>bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 6>focus on with this is US agriculture, because we have

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 6>been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American

0:33:10.760 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 6>agricultural sector that has really not broken out of like

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 6>Midwest agriculture circles very much.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 4>So.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the major consequences of in some sense also

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 6>the tariffs on Brazilia. One of the major consequences of

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 6>the US tariffs on China is that, like China did

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:33.760
<v Speaker 6>in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 6>American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 6>tons of soy every year, and more than half of

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:42.960
<v Speaker 6>that is sold to China.

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<v Speaker 1>And again if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like, you know,

0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:50.000
<v Speaker 1>the soy, the soy is ruining people. You shouldn't support this,

0:33:53.000 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>well no.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, no, no, no, you should.

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 4>You should.

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<v Speaker 6>You should be opposed to this because you should be

0:33:56.760 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 6>wanting to export soy to China so that you can

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.120
<v Speaker 6>you can make the Chinese woken soy.

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I was saying.

0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.

0:34:06.800 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 1>out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy.

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.239
<v Speaker 6>The other people who support the export of soy to

0:34:15.400 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 6>try to are American farmers. So god, I guess this

0:34:18.880 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 6>is like, this is like the farming thing that I

0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.759
<v Speaker 6>say on this show. I did technically there was technically

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 6>a farm behind my house growing up. This is something

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 6>that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:33.040
<v Speaker 6>corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.680
<v Speaker 6>the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture.

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 4>Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes.

0:34:39.520 --> 0:34:41.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but in order to do this you have to

0:34:41.960 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 6>be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened,

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.120
<v Speaker 6>in twenty eighteen. This was kind of kind of behind

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:48.960
<v Speaker 6>the scenes, so that there was a whole big trades

0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:52.399
<v Speaker 6>down off in twenty eighteen. And one of the things

0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 6>that played a big role in ending it was the

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 6>fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 6>US for a year and it really really really messed

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 6>with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 6>account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay.

0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.319
<v Speaker 6>For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at

0:35:11.360 --> 0:35:13.800
<v Speaker 6>about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:17.800
<v Speaker 6>per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.120
<v Speaker 6>on his own farm, he expects losses to top four

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 6>hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.960
<v Speaker 6>not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses.

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 6>Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.680
<v Speaker 6>They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's

0:35:35.680 --> 0:35:37.480
<v Speaker 6>happening right now is that there is a bunch of

0:35:37.520 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 6>soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. Yeah,

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.399
<v Speaker 6>you know, like no one wants to buy them. And

0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 6>I've seen a few things talking about like, Okay, they're

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:48.399
<v Speaker 6>you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can turn

0:35:48.440 --> 0:35:52.800
<v Speaker 6>them into soybean oil and use like in the US

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.479
<v Speaker 6>and do that. But like, this is becoming a really

0:35:56.520 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 6>serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 6>is that it's not like you store them in different things, right,

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 6>because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them.

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.160
<v Speaker 6>The sort of storage hubs that they use are the

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.880
<v Speaker 6>same ones. And the problem is that there are basically

0:36:10.920 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 6>stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold,

0:36:13.760 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 6>and this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the

0:36:16.800 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 6>corn harvest and you have to put the corn somewhere.

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 6>It's a good example of the kind of middle miniature

0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:25.919
<v Speaker 6>logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down

0:36:25.960 --> 0:36:29.320
<v Speaker 6>the supply chains as these tariffs sort of continue to

0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:31.120
<v Speaker 6>roll in, and as the instability of them get he

0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 6>needs to roll in that you and I aren't seen yet,

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 6>or we haven't seen much of the effectives other than

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 6>some small price increases, but down the supply chain there

0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 6>are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing

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<v Speaker 6>with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This is going to

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<v Speaker 6>be We're going to see the acceleration of this with

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<v Speaker 6>a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in the meantime, China

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.160
<v Speaker 6>is just basically going to the country that the US

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 6>lap fifty percent tariffs on. They're going to Brazil and

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 6>attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demanded largely from Brazil,

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:09.799
<v Speaker 6>which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 6>is also very important politically because the American farming sector

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:18.280
<v Speaker 6>is very, very powerful. There have been some bailouts already,

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:21.960
<v Speaker 6>but they're not going to be able to sustain the

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.759
<v Speaker 6>American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more

0:37:24.800 --> 0:37:26.560
<v Speaker 6>than one year. Only there was only one year in

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 6>twenty eighteen when they didn't buy and it was at fiasco.

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 6>If this goes on for an extended period of time,

0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:33.360
<v Speaker 6>it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the

0:37:33.400 --> 0:37:35.160
<v Speaker 6>economy was doing a lot better in twenty eighteen than

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 6>it is right now. I mean, it's still kind of

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 6>a best, but yeah, so this this is going to

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:44.720
<v Speaker 6>turn into an increasing sort of political thorn for Trump

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 6>among a bunch of people who are supposed to be

0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:50.200
<v Speaker 6>his base because people are very, very frustrated about this,

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:52.839
<v Speaker 6>and it is getting very little press attention. This has

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<v Speaker 6>been the American farming tariff update question mark.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

0:37:58.920 --> 0:38:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, why would we want to hear about farming

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.360
<v Speaker 2>tariff news when instead we can just keep the culture

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead,

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 2>Like that's the whole point of their political machine. It's

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:13.520
<v Speaker 2>not that everything is a distraction from something else, right,

0:38:13.600 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.640
<v Speaker 2>like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever,

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>like all of this stuff, no one's gonna care about

0:38:25.080 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>farming tariff news.

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.319
<v Speaker 4>Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right, you put

0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 4>it out there and like half your fucking audience is

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.880
<v Speaker 4>going to be like lol, lamal they voted for Trump,

0:38:34.000 --> 0:38:37.520
<v Speaker 4>sucks for them, Like yeah yeah.

0:38:37.600 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 6>And the question effectively is are the people who previously

0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 6>had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 6>like trans women in sports stuff going to be able

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:52.280
<v Speaker 6>to be kept in line when the soybeans are running

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:52.720
<v Speaker 6>in the field.

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 5>And we will we will see, we shall see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, the Department

0:39:00.520 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:14.600
<v Speaker 2>is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>work with over forty national and state organizations to quote

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<v Speaker 2>spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 2>conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 2>organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 2>for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:41.440
<v Speaker 2>explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now all of these groups are

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 2>basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:56.719
<v Speaker 2>video from the new website explaining the initiative.

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<v Speaker 8>Education was once a shining light guiding generations built on faith, heritage, patriotism,

0:40:10.080 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 8>but over the past sixty to seventy years that brilliance

0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 8>has been dimmed. A great institution has been crumbled from.

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 5>Within, playing Civil Rights era.

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 8>Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division from fundamental.

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<v Speaker 4>States.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's triggering phrase for me, critical race theory, gender

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>queer drag queens.

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<v Speaker 8>Now on the two hundred and fiftieth Linda mcmation, the

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<v Speaker 8>Department of Education, the America two fifty Civic Education Coalition,

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<v Speaker 8>and partners across America are reigniting that light, understanding and

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 8>returning education to the States where it belongs.

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:51.800
<v Speaker 4>For this was bent your white kids.

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<v Speaker 8>That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President

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<v Speaker 8>Trump and Secretary McMahon.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, are

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you fucking kidding me?

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 4>AI generated lighthouse.

0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, because.

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 5>We are Americans, the futures ares.

0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:18.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:21.440
<v Speaker 5>It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

0:41:22.719 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.240
<v Speaker 2>has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:36.520
<v Speaker 2>the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our

0:41:37.040 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 2>patriotic education.

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:42.320
<v Speaker 4>To find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one.

0:41:42.400 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 2>With audio from w W Secretary Man, it's like the

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:51.799
<v Speaker 2>most hyper reality American brain say that this is this

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 2>is like the here's a lead paint thing that we're

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about, like talking about how a Marian education has

0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:58.400
<v Speaker 2>been like totally destroyed, and they're playing footage of like

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 2>civil rights era like protests and like leaders.

0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 5>You can't parody this, nah no.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.879
<v Speaker 1>And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:12.080
<v Speaker 1>edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood

0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 1>ayluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.240
<v Speaker 1>guess you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen

0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 1>years yeah, and their culture shit like so that scans

0:42:22.480 --> 0:42:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, like it, this is like it sounds like

0:42:24.680 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a fucking uh uh who's the guy who did independence stake?

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 1>God damn it, you know what I'm saying.

0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:32.200
<v Speaker 4>I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we

0:42:32.239 --> 0:42:35.240
<v Speaker 4>should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated

0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 4>in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:40.440
<v Speaker 4>is ye yes, I just want to I just want

0:42:40.480 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 4>to just sort of drop that nugget.

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.880
<v Speaker 2>And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that

0:42:44.920 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 2>we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 2>these people want.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:53.120
<v Speaker 4>folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 4>what we do. We don't just like, go to God.

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 4>We've done it all now, we've worked it all out.

0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 4>No need for any more historians. That's said that, that's

0:42:59.040 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 4>not how history works.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 2>The chief education officer of Turning Point Education. This is

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 2>his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg, Triple H said

0:43:09.239 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 2>that quote that.

0:43:10.560 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 4>Was also wwe character Is it the same guy?

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.760
<v Speaker 2>No, this is a this is a Christian educator. Oh okay,

0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 2>he says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than

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<v Speaker 2>ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for students flourishing

0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:29.680
<v Speaker 2>across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored

0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 2>two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, and reclaim

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 2>robust American Civics education for all students throughout our country.

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 5>Unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 2>that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high

0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:56.800
<v Speaker 2>school across the state. Oh great, here's the Superintendent Ryan

0:43:57.080 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 2>Waters of Oklahoma.

0:43:59.440 --> 0:44:02.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm excited to do announce today that every Oklahoma high

0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 3>school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 3>seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want

0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:12.520
<v Speaker 3>to be engaged in a meaningful work going on a

0:44:12.600 --> 0:44:16.360
<v Speaker 3>Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged

0:44:16.360 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 3>in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 3>about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so

0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.719
<v Speaker 3>excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:34.319
<v Speaker 3>For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with

0:44:34.400 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 3>the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woken doctrination on

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 3>our kids. They fight parents' rights, they push parents out

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 3>of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 3>American history. What we're going to continue to do is

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.719
<v Speaker 3>make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 3>civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue

0:44:58.560 --> 0:45:01.040
<v Speaker 3>to do all that we can sure OCLUMA students have

0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 3>the best education plots.

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter quote radical

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long,

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we

0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>talked with this guy last year.

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:15.320
<v Speaker 5>At the rn C.

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>YEP, Yeah, we should.

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 5>We might do something with that interview.

0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 1>At some point I wish he'd got he'd been out

0:45:20.880 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 1>of a job by now, but life life, huh.

0:45:25.600 --> 0:45:30.320
<v Speaker 2>The last thing I want to discuss today is quote

0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:37.280
<v Speaker 2>unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.920
<v Speaker 2>across the Internet be really really concerned about for you know,

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:44.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>few articles the past few days. First to one from

0:45:48.600 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people.

0:45:53.960 --> 0:45:57.240
<v Speaker 2>The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent

0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder as how

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:03.760
<v Speaker 2>can frame that on the headline and for his tweet

0:46:03.920 --> 0:46:07.919
<v Speaker 2>alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot us has

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:11.640
<v Speaker 2>spread this reporting even further Quote FBI to categorize trans

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.600
<v Speaker 2>people as nihilistic, violent extremist. Threat Group report says the

0:46:15.640 --> 0:46:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender

0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 2>people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and I

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 2>will explain why in great detail. Shortly, the Federal Bureau

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:35.840
<v Speaker 2>of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people

0:46:35.880 --> 0:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>as like a category, as like a class of people,

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:42.080
<v Speaker 2>as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is

0:46:42.080 --> 0:46:45.200
<v Speaker 2>currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this.

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:50.759
<v Speaker 2>of trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:53.520
<v Speaker 2>quote from here shortly. But let's get into what the

0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:57.480
<v Speaker 2>first article from Clippenstein actually wrote, based on a source

0:46:57.520 --> 0:46:59.960
<v Speaker 2>inside the government quote. The senior official explains that they're

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>there is no process per se for dealing with trans

0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:07.040
<v Speaker 2>people as a quote unquote threat group, but feels that

0:47:07.120 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of

0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:13.879
<v Speaker 2>violent extremism. Under the plant being discussed, the FBI would

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:17.080
<v Speaker 2>treat transgender subjects as a subset of the bureau's new

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 2>threat category, nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic

0:47:22.200 --> 0:47:26.200
<v Speaker 2>violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and

0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 2>we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:31.800
<v Speaker 2>trans people like this is something that everyone who listens

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 2>to this show is aware of. This is this is

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:36.239
<v Speaker 2>a real thing, But there is not actually any new

0:47:36.400 --> 0:47:42.400
<v Speaker 2>verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump Junior and right wing influencers talking about transgender

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:50.279
<v Speaker 2>terrorists and this trend of transgender terrorists as they have

0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 2>been for the past two years. Me and Mia did

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.880
<v Speaker 2>that piece about fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago.

0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 2>That was two years ago to we We've been tracking

0:47:58.560 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>this rhetoric for a long time, So stuff like that

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.520
<v Speaker 2>fills up a lot of the space in articles like this,

0:48:03.719 --> 0:48:08.760
<v Speaker 2>but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article,

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 2>like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now,

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 2>ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 2>sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates from

0:48:28.040 --> 0:48:30.239
<v Speaker 2>the discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that.

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 2>We've talked about them on the show be here before

0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:35.279
<v Speaker 2>as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:40.840
<v Speaker 2>this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year,

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's

0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 2>exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom.

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents

0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:57.160
<v Speaker 2>in this report showing like current memos or communications on

0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 2>this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not

0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 2>leaked documents in this report.

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:02.919
<v Speaker 5>Now.

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.319
<v Speaker 2>As we all know and we've reported, the right wing

0:49:06.360 --> 0:49:09.280
<v Speaker 2>hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's

0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 2>coming from the Trump administration, from state level government, as

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:17.319
<v Speaker 2>well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think

0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:20.400
<v Speaker 2>right now especially, it's really important to read reports like

0:49:20.480 --> 0:49:27.120
<v Speaker 2>this very carefully. Trans fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement,

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:29.880
<v Speaker 2>which then can encourage people to use framing like this

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 2>that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 2>hours before Pilplstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation

0:49:38.680 --> 0:49:42.359
<v Speaker 2>and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the

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<v Speaker 2>FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they

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<v Speaker 2>call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified

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<v Speaker 2>against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology.

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<v Speaker 2>It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic

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<v Speaker 2>terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has

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<v Speaker 2>played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a

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<v Speaker 2>list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers

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<v Speaker 2>who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated

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<v Speaker 2>by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government

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<v Speaker 2>documents have shown, including acts from the past like six

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<v Speaker 2>or seven years. But Heritage Rights that quote experts estimate

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<v Speaker 2>no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school

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<v Speaker 2>shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve

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<v Speaker 2>trans ideology unquote fifty percent.

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<v Speaker 5>Have involved or likely involved.

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<v Speaker 2>Yet in this list they can only list three school shootings.

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<v Speaker 2>They can only list three, even their own list, which

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<v Speaker 2>they say fifty percent likely involve trans ideology.

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<v Speaker 5>There's been more than three school shootings this year.

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<v Speaker 2>This month, there's been more three school shootings not involving

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<v Speaker 2>trans people this year. This this is a wild, wildly

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<v Speaker 2>atrocious is sad?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's just fabricated right, like.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, like reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean

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<v Speaker 2>that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists.

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<v Speaker 2>What it would do is it would create a category

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<v Speaker 2>to use for investigations into violent acts graph patterns of violence,

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<v Speaker 2>argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance

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<v Speaker 2>on people or groups that are deemed as threats as

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<v Speaker 2>a part of this strut group. But in the petition,

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<v Speaker 2>Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their

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<v Speaker 2>allies are domestic terrorists.

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<v Speaker 5>Quote. They are even free to engage it in offensive

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<v Speaker 5>and hateful speech under the first men, so long as

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<v Speaker 5>they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity,

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<v Speaker 5>or some other category of non protected speech. The domestic

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<v Speaker 5>terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups one

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<v Speaker 5>are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence,

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<v Speaker 5>and two take or incite unlawful violent action or threats

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<v Speaker 5>based on that ideology. Both criteria must be met.

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<v Speaker 2>Unquote. That's from the Heritage's own petition. It's not There's

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<v Speaker 2>nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says

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<v Speaker 2>that trans people entirely are going to be deemed terrorists

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<v Speaker 2>or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not what

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<v Speaker 2>either Heritage or what the actual details of articles like

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<v Speaker 2>Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide.

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<v Speaker 2>The Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label

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<v Speaker 2>as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they

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<v Speaker 2>do not want combined into one single category. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really important to understand how trans people are actually

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<v Speaker 2>under threat right now, because they are right. The biggest

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<v Speaker 2>threats to transpaople right now are access to healthcare, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>for people who are under the age of eighteen, and

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<v Speaker 2>things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people

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<v Speaker 2>from public life. But the other biggest threat to transpeople

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<v Speaker 2>right now is like ourselves, and we don't need to

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<v Speaker 2>do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized.

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<v Speaker 2>Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes

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<v Speaker 2>everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community.

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<v Speaker 2>The trans panic industrial complex is dangerous and people need

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<v Speaker 2>to be very careful about this because it's an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on is going to be crucial to survive the next

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<v Speaker 2>few months to years.

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<v Speaker 1>No and again, we've seen this on the right and

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<v Speaker 1>this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people on the right and getting them to do fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up shit. Is years of like they're coming for you,

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<v Speaker 1>They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for

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<v Speaker 1>you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't want to be telling people everything's good,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not. That things are very dangerous for trans

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<v Speaker 1>people right now in a way they have not been

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<v Speaker 1>at any point previously in very recent history. Things are

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<v Speaker 1>much worse. Right, nobody's denying that, but you have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at like the facts of how they're worse, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the

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<v Speaker 1>article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says

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<v Speaker 1>and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's not going to end.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, No, don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this.

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<v Speaker 6>I also want to briefly note on I've seen a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of comparisons of this to the Black identity extremism designation,

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<v Speaker 6>and I want to bring this back to something that

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<v Speaker 6>Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihilis extremism

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<v Speaker 6>category was like specifically designed to target like a specific

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<v Speaker 6>sort of complex network of.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, pedophile discord servers.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this is the same methodology that was used for

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<v Speaker 6>black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they

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<v Speaker 6>conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a category that was specifically designed to go

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<v Speaker 6>after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the

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<v Speaker 6>wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and this is completely just not

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<v Speaker 6>the process that is happening for this, right, Like, we're

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<v Speaker 6>not dealing with Okay, there is a specific group of

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<v Speaker 6>transactivists that the government wants to target, so they're creating

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<v Speaker 6>a label for it, right, We don't have any evidence

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<v Speaker 6>of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources

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<v Speaker 6>saying they feel like something might happen.

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<v Speaker 2>That trans people could be targeted, And you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>trans people have been targeted, like that, that's what's happening. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists

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<v Speaker 2>at this point?

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<v Speaker 5>Unlikely?

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<v Speaker 2>Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage proposal

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<v Speaker 2>for FORTIV, Yeah, possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way

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<v Speaker 2>that people are talking about it online or the way

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<v Speaker 2>that headlines are framing it. No, it's not about designating

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<v Speaker 2>all trans people as terrorists as a class.

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<v Speaker 6>It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like

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<v Speaker 6>the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like

0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.680
<v Speaker 6>they already had people they were going after and they

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<v Speaker 6>wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order

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<v Speaker 6>to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They

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<v Speaker 6>don't have like a list of like trans discord servers

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<v Speaker 6>that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, Like,

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<v Speaker 6>that's not what's happening here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, But they could go after people who are make

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<v Speaker 2>threats online, and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's fbiyah

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<v Speaker 2>would love to do. And if they can sort those

0:56:59.320 --> 0:57:03.560
<v Speaker 2>people into a category like tive to argue in a

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution or to or to make like a float chart

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<v Speaker 2>to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from

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<v Speaker 6>them even like starting that process that you should be

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<v Speaker 6>concerned about the actual threats from Like I don't know

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<v Speaker 6>I mean just like literally there's there's been a series

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<v Speaker 6>of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in

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<v Speaker 6>Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like

0:57:30.480 --> 0:57:33.840
<v Speaker 6>an actual substantive thing that is happening that is not this,

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<v Speaker 6>that is not some sort of nebulous like we are

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<v Speaker 6>relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at

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<v Speaker 6>and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do

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<v Speaker 6>about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial

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<v Speaker 6>complex and panicking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super

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<v Speaker 2>viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the

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<v Speaker 2>algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic

0:57:56.000 --> 0:57:58.680
<v Speaker 2>boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those

0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:02.560
<v Speaker 2>are so much more satis find they spread like wildfire

0:58:02.840 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 2>across blue sky and Twitter and like even things like

0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:09.240
<v Speaker 2>Instagram stories. And just be very careful about anything that

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<v Speaker 2>goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain.

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<v Speaker 2>It's trying to worm its way into your brain to

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<v Speaker 2>take the form as a thought that you had yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And be super careful because this type of weaponize on

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<v Speaker 2>reality has been used so successfully the past ten years

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<v Speaker 2>against the right. This is how the whole like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>migrant panic wave started lies about immigration.

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<v Speaker 5>This like panicked framing.

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<v Speaker 2>These things spread like wildfire online and now you have

0:58:35.320 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 2>large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.960
<v Speaker 2>like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social

0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.080
<v Speaker 2>media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how

0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:47.280
<v Speaker 2>your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like

0:58:47.320 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 2>a collective sense of reality. And you are also being

0:58:50.680 --> 0:58:54.360
<v Speaker 2>targeted by this same process in different ways than the

0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:56.919
<v Speaker 2>right is, but this process is still targeting you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like super important to like read things critically

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<v Speaker 2>and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't

0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in

0:59:08.960 --> 0:59:09.440
<v Speaker 2>our life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, that's the news this week.

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<v Speaker 5>We sure did report it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the news this week.

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