Speaker 1: Colzon Media.
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly
Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,
Speaker 2: what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm
Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong Jamestown and Robert Evans.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This week, we're covering the week of September eighteen to
Speaker 2: September twenty four.
Speaker 4: Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened. It's a bit short one.
Speaker 2: Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America
Speaker 2: and abroad, only the most stable out of all democratic countries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the democracies were easily the
Speaker 1: most democratic.
Speaker 4: Shining city on a hill. It's saying, that's right, that's right, elevated. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and
Speaker 4: ice detention facility to start off with.
Speaker 1: Then, sure, that's the big news story today is that
Speaker 1: there's been a shooting at an ice facility in Dallas.
Speaker 1: This is not the first shooting at a North Texas
Speaker 1: ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured.
Speaker 1: Last I saw, they were in an ice van, it
Speaker 1: looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then
Speaker 1: killed themselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared
Speaker 4: pretty quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything
Speaker 4: website a photo of a strip eclip of what looks
Speaker 4: a lot like ein't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had
Speaker 4: the wood anti ice written on it in blue pen
Speaker 4: in block capital letters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared
Speaker 1: to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I think,
Speaker 1: immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I
Speaker 1: haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals
Speaker 1: and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky,
Speaker 1: and on just looking at friends on Facebook, they have
Speaker 1: pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.
Speaker 2: Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this.
Speaker 1: I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must
Speaker 1: have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice
Speaker 1: on the bullet, or this is some sort of federal conspiracy.
Speaker 1: But a lot of conspiracism here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting
Speaker 2: at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming
Speaker 2: for if they were just aiming at ice property, right
Speaker 2: like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside.
Speaker 1: Did they think whoever was an ad van was a cop?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, most of this lines up with the person
Speaker 4: being the sort of person who ends up being a
Speaker 4: high profile shooter, right, Like, they're not so much an
Speaker 4: ideologically motivated person as someone who, like you say, pretty
Speaker 4: low effort wrote anti ice on their bullets at the
Speaker 4: last minute of not on the bullet, but on the
Speaker 4: casing that holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. Like,
Speaker 4: I understand how that works.
Speaker 1: And this just fits. This is something I tried to
Speaker 1: talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are
Speaker 1: heavily driven by mimetic spread.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more
Speaker 1: than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do
Speaker 1: have shooters who are let's say original, right like the
Speaker 1: christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things
Speaker 1: to do in mass shootings and then in the wake
Speaker 1: of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it
Speaker 1: gets a lot of attention, right Like, if there's a
Speaker 1: mass shooting that gets a lot more media coverage than
Speaker 1: other ones, there will be people who copy it and
Speaker 1: who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into
Speaker 1: that pattern is you had a really high profile North
Speaker 1: Texas shooting at a nice facility. Then you had a
Speaker 1: really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle
Speaker 1: shot at targets from the top of a roof, right,
Speaker 1: And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting,
Speaker 1: and I guess it's just like, Yeah, that kind of
Speaker 1: scans to me, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this
Speaker 4: conspiracy zerm So the guy used a Mauser rifle, different
Speaker 4: type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks
Speaker 4: to me like a con ninety eight. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The previous one was a very old Mauser that had
Speaker 1: been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a
Speaker 1: very common American round. This one looks to have been
Speaker 1: an original car ninety eight K that was still an
Speaker 1: eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that
Speaker 1: was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World
Speaker 1: War Two. Yeah, it's not weird. He would have access
Speaker 1: to that. He probably didn't have to buy it or
Speaker 1: passed the background check to get it. Looking at Garrison
Speaker 1: found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that,
Speaker 1: but one of the things that was on there is
Speaker 1: her talking about how she recently had to clean out
Speaker 1: like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and
Speaker 1: dad had owned and get rid of a lot of
Speaker 1: their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One
Speaker 1: of them, very likely was a veteran, could have brought
Speaker 1: back a car ninety eight k as hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of gis did, yeah, from the war, and it would
Speaker 1: have just gotten passed down under the family. Right, not weird, Yeah.
Speaker 4: No way at all. Like you say, there are probably
Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of these in the United States.
Speaker 1: It was very common. And again that's more or less
Speaker 1: probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why why they
Speaker 1: had a mouser right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle.
Speaker 1: Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not uncommon at all. Someone in especially somewhere like
Speaker 4: Texas where you know those rifles, even if you didn't
Speaker 4: bring them back from World War One, like could have
Speaker 4: been obtained by private party transfer any time in the
Speaker 4: last seventy five years. So he'd been placed on probation
Speaker 4: for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty
Speaker 4: and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas it's considered
Speaker 4: dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he
Speaker 4: was in possession of an amount greater than a quarter
Speaker 4: ounce but less than five pounds. I'm not that familiar
Speaker 4: with Texas law in that regard, but that is a
Speaker 4: thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like,
Speaker 4: I don't know if that effects his ability to obtain
Speaker 4: a new firearm by doing a forty four to seventy three.
Speaker 1: It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in
Speaker 1: Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in
Speaker 1: a parking lot and buy a gun exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not relevant.
Speaker 1: As I did when I lived in Texas almost every month.
Speaker 4: Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy
Speaker 4: to get a gun in Texas.
Speaker 1: How did he get the gun? It could have He
Speaker 1: could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded
Speaker 1: groceries for it like you just don't know, but there's
Speaker 1: there's no barriers to him owning this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we still don't know very much about this guy
Speaker 2: outside of his like public arrest record. I have like
Speaker 2: a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he voted in the twenty twenty Democratic primary.
Speaker 5: We know that from Texas voting records.
Speaker 2: His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not
Speaker 2: expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg
Speaker 2: Abbot's pro gun stances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was definitely like anti NRA, anti.
Speaker 2: Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a senator Korn
Speaker 2: and Cruise not taking action for gun control damp.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would ever
Speaker 4: be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like,
Speaker 4: this is kind of central to the gun that people
Speaker 4: generally fail is reasonable to people to own.
Speaker 1: Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from
Speaker 1: a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills
Speaker 1: that are looking at stopping face to face sales wouldn't
Speaker 1: stop this because the dims always tend to include an
Speaker 1: exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, on an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep.
Speaker 2: His profile picture is like a Soviet communist carerture. But again,
Speaker 2: that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We
Speaker 2: still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics.
Speaker 2: But people have been quick to call this a false
Speaker 2: flag when I think this appears more like in the
Speaker 2: manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about
Speaker 2: vis a vis the years of lead paint, Like brain
Speaker 2: rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe
Speaker 2: appear akin to a half baked false flag. This is
Speaker 2: like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction
Speaker 2: inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the lens
Speaker 2: of fiction. So people project onto the state this like
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty CIA staging world events. Thing like everything's become
Speaker 2: so like Eddington pilled.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big
Speaker 6: example of this someone I forget exactly what it was,
Speaker 6: like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something,
Speaker 6: and everyone that I knew was convinced it was a
Speaker 6: false flag, Like yeah, all over Twitter's Olver Blues. Everyone
Speaker 6: thought it was a false flag, and it's just like
Speaker 6: all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that
Speaker 6: you'reson you're describing, where you have the unreality tunnel of
Speaker 6: all this is a false flag, then you have the
Speaker 6: other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and
Speaker 6: they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other.
Speaker 5: Nashing into each other. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, Like people are so quick just to point the
Speaker 2: Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might
Speaker 2: confuse you at first glance, Like if you cannot understand
Speaker 2: that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing
Speaker 2: like this, inspired by recent events and scribble something onto
Speaker 2: a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE
Speaker 2: agents ICE property, inadvertently killing actual ICE detainees, if you
Speaker 2: have no way to understand that as a premise, and
Speaker 2: the only way that you can see something like this
Speaker 2: is happening is like a beat cop walking up to
Speaker 2: the crime scene realizing he has to alter it to
Speaker 2: fit an agenda. Like that is a way more disjointed
Speaker 2: and like broken reality to force yourself to believe than
Speaker 2: just take the facts as they come and evaluate them
Speaker 2: slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies
Speaker 2: your emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where
Speaker 2: multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, I
Speaker 2: think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take
Speaker 2: a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks increasingly
Speaker 2: through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore.
Speaker 2: Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: We don't have a clear look at his politics or
Speaker 2: if he really even had serious politics.
Speaker 5: But there are a lot of.
Speaker 2: Like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, or angry
Speaker 2: and might not write a stupid twitter brained manifesto and
Speaker 2: scribbling anti ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere
Speaker 2: or some kind of ironic ship post. If anti ice
Speaker 2: sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish Ice, again,
Speaker 2: not everyone is part of like the leftist twitter brained
Speaker 2: terminology circle. It seems like he wasn't really thinking things
Speaker 2: through intently anyway, as is common with these like quick
Speaker 2: copycat style attacks and attacks like this are also sometimes
Speaker 2: just harshly driven by suicide, wanting to do something as
Speaker 2: a part of the suicidal act, and like who knows
Speaker 2: what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought
Speaker 2: they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet.
Speaker 1: And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind
Speaker 1: of sounds like from the text of the NBC article
Speaker 1: like they broke the news to him, which is.
Speaker 5: Oof, that's fucked up, not great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said the last time he'd seen his
Speaker 1: brothers two weeks ago, he was not particularly political. He
Speaker 1: had never mentioned anything about Ice. As far as his
Speaker 1: brother knew, he had no hatred or particular feelings about
Speaker 1: Ice either way. He was registered as political independent. His
Speaker 1: brother said that his parents had a rifle and that
Speaker 1: he knew that his brother knew how to shoot it,
Speaker 1: but that he didn't think he knew how to make
Speaker 1: a shot like that. I don't think he knew anything
Speaker 1: about the quality of shot. And it doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: he did anything but shoot into a van and then
Speaker 1: kill himself. So, he was recently unemployed and was looking
Speaker 1: to move to his parents' land in Oklahoma, but he
Speaker 1: was raised in Alan. The whole unemployed didn't sound like
Speaker 1: he felt like he had a lot of maybe opportunity
Speaker 1: going forward. His life was not going great, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, like I'm not having trouble seeing this all
Speaker 1: add up now.
Speaker 2: I mean, the people who do some crazy hit like
Speaker 2: this often have a suicidal impulse running through an action
Speaker 2: like this, And sometimes his manifests were something akin to
Speaker 2: like you know, this is like a bad term, but
Speaker 2: like suicide by cop right, and like similar to what
Speaker 2: Roberts said about like mimetic and like copycat shootings. You
Speaker 2: can see some of what's on display here in the
Speaker 2: lineage of Luigi Mangioni allegedly writing denying to pose on bullets,
Speaker 2: then the Charlie kirkshooting with stuff for non bullets. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but this is something that's not like in our Zeitgei.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't require you to be like an online
Speaker 2: communist to do something like this, nor is it relegated
Speaker 2: to a cop trying to manufacture a fake narrative to
Speaker 2: cover up a murder of immigrants to frame it in
Speaker 2: this left wing violence spike that the right is currently
Speaker 2: really running with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, folks, if you are convinced that this is
Speaker 1: a conspiracy, I really doubt much that we say is
Speaker 1: going to convince you. Otherwise, it's kind of a I
Speaker 1: don't want to go on too bleak of a rantier,
Speaker 1: but like, I almost feel like there's not really a
Speaker 1: point in trying to stand up for basic reality anymore,
Speaker 1: because number one, people are increasingly going to dig into
Speaker 1: the reality tunnel that's most comforting to them, and that's
Speaker 1: going to be the one where, like they don't have
Speaker 1: to deal with the complexities the world. That like, some
Speaker 1: people who on paper have espoused beliefs that are similar
Speaker 1: to you will also do fucked up shit, right like that,
Speaker 1: that's just America. That's living in a country with four
Speaker 1: hundred million guns. That's living in a country where mass
Speaker 1: shootings go viral and where people act based off the
Speaker 1: virality of shootings that they watch or see or hear about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And honestly, like there's a part of me that feels
Speaker 1: like caring about the reality of the situation is almost
Speaker 1: a vanity project, that like, it doesn't win you anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get you anywhere, It doesn't help you make
Speaker 1: the world better. Maybe just embracing a fall like the
Speaker 1: right has gotten very far in embracing completely fraudulent realities.
Speaker 1: So why do I even care?
Speaker 2: I Mean, this is something I've talked about with like
Speaker 2: the flattening of tactics, with the right adopting state sponsored
Speaker 2: cancel culture and the left getting more conspiratorial in like
Speaker 2: replies to tweet some blue Sky posts talking about how
Speaker 2: you know, the bulleting markings have to be a false flag.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing people share memes like Pepe like psyop memes,
Speaker 2: but like like leftists and like like oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: liberals sharing sharing these memes that you used to just
Speaker 2: see under like unhinged right wing accounts to talk about
Speaker 2: how big world events are all stage or the Feds
Speaker 2: are faking everything, and it's it's just this complete like
Speaker 2: swap more accurately a flattening of tactics, and yeah, like it.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 2: It sucks to be in a position where I'm trying
Speaker 2: to be like slow and methodical and how I evaluate
Speaker 2: things and not just jump to posting funny reaction images
Speaker 2: about how everything is a syop and how everything is
Speaker 2: a false flag.
Speaker 1: Lameo obvious psyop work done.
Speaker 2: Because that seems so much more emotionally compelling, and instead
Speaker 2: I'm just tired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just tired all the time. Anyway, go on and
Speaker 1: believe whatever you want. Let's continue the episode. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Antifa when we come back.
Speaker 4: It comes from a mind control pond.
Speaker 2: Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa.
Speaker 1: I hardly no, that doesn't Garrison, just continue.
Speaker 5: I don't have anything to say about that.
Speaker 1: All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what
Speaker 1: James is going to be doing with our collective lawyer
Speaker 1: Moira Meltzer Cohen, an episode on what this actually means legally,
Speaker 1: and we will be doing that with a lawyer who
Speaker 1: is competent to speak on that more than we are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess kind of what we want to do briefly
Speaker 1: in this episode is try and pull people back from
Speaker 1: a ledge if you're feeling like you're on one right now,
Speaker 1: because it's bad. The current situation is bad. The administration
Speaker 1: is absolutely going after people on the left. They absolutely
Speaker 1: will be increasingly applying terrorism enhancements to charges for anything
Speaker 1: that can be deemed as politically motivated by the left.
Speaker 1: But this declaration, as people pointed out, it's not like
Speaker 1: a thing the president declaring somethingtic terrorist group like. It's
Speaker 1: not like none of this is anything that like has
Speaker 1: a legal force bind it, which doesn't mean again that
Speaker 1: they're not going to continue to go after people. But
Speaker 1: this is stuff that started under the Biden administration, applying
Speaker 1: RICO charges and whatnot.
Speaker 2: This is stuff that goes back to the nineties, right
Speaker 2: to the scare Yeah right, yeah. With with environmental organizations,
Speaker 2: there is no real domestic terrorism designation. That's why they're
Speaker 2: trying to go after like funders and trying to find
Speaker 2: ties to like international groups to have that terrorism like
Speaker 2: label make more legal sense. But Trump did actually sign
Speaker 2: an executive order to quote unquote designate Antifa as a
Speaker 2: domestic terrorist organization.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 2: All relevant Executive Departments and agencies shall utilize all applicable
Speaker 2: authorities to investigate, disrupt, and dismantle any and all illegal operations,
Speaker 2: especially those involving terrorist actions conducted by Antifa or any
Speaker 2: person claiming to act on behalf of Antifa, or for
Speaker 2: which Antifa or any person claiming to act on behalf
Speaker 2: of Antifa provide material support, including necessary investigatory and prosecutoral actions,
Speaker 2: against those who fund such operations.
Speaker 4: I mean, like anything in the United States, if you're
Speaker 4: going to be prosecuted for a federal crime, the US
Speaker 4: attorney has to bring a case against you, and there
Speaker 4: has to be a crime that you have committed. The
Speaker 4: executive branch does not make law, but legislative branch makes law.
Speaker 4: They try, and they tried a lot last time as well.
Speaker 4: I do want to remind everyone that right now we
Speaker 4: still have courts, and as we're seeing in Los Angeles
Speaker 4: and in other places, grand juries are not returning indictments.
Speaker 4: When the a USA brings a shoddy case or tries
Speaker 4: to proscute some of something that isn't a crime, that
Speaker 4: right now is the case. I'm not saying it will
Speaker 4: be forever. I'm saying that that's where we're at, and
Speaker 4: we can take a step back from the ledge if
Speaker 4: we know that. I hope for people who are under
Speaker 4: standably very afraid.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm not saying don't be afraid because these
Speaker 1: are scary times. I'm just saying, like, don't assume that
Speaker 1: there's no point to fighting back, or there's no way
Speaker 1: to do so, that you'll just like wind up in
Speaker 1: a fucking camp. Because people are going to court right
Speaker 1: now and winning yea, and those court cases have not
Speaker 1: been invalidated by the administration. That they're not just taking
Speaker 1: people into custody anyway like people have repeatedly gotten off
Speaker 1: for charges of assaulting ICE officers because they were bullshit charges, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's all I'm trying to say right now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are
Speaker 6: actually worried about, I think if you read the executive order,
Speaker 6: you can see what they're scared of, right, you know,
Speaker 6: to do the mildly cringe and or a quote authority
Speaker 6: is brittal, oppression is the mask of fear. God Plade
Speaker 6: Stole is stealing my shit.
Speaker 5: You and prickser holding hands meme fading and.
Speaker 1: Or apparently is a big Star Wars guy.
Speaker 6: But if you look at like what's actually in there, right, Like, okay,
Speaker 6: I mean some of it's like obviously twenty twenty stuff,
Speaker 6: and then they're talking about like violent assaults on immigration
Speaker 6: and Customs enforcement and other law enforcement officials in routine dosing,
Speaker 6: and other threats against public figures and activists. Like they
Speaker 6: are very worried about the fact that everywhere ICE appears
Speaker 6: a whole bunch of people, most of who are just
Speaker 6: like random people in sweatpants. I have seen so many
Speaker 6: pictures from every single city that there's like loscualized deployments
Speaker 6: are there's just like people in sweatpants who just like
Speaker 6: walk out of their houses and start taking pictures of
Speaker 6: ice agents. They are very much concerned about this, right,
Speaker 6: This is why they're trying to do this crackdown because
Speaker 6: the resistance to this stuff is actually working well enough.
Speaker 6: You know. It's not not that they haven't been able
Speaker 6: to do ice raids, but it has degraded their capacity
Speaker 6: to do it significantly. And that's why they're rolling this
Speaker 6: shit out so that they can, you know, as as
Speaker 6: an attempt to intimidate people and as at to like
Speaker 6: get people to stop doing the stuff that they've been doing,
Speaker 6: which has been like effective enough to really shift the
Speaker 6: way ICE has been forced to do these things.
Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the
Speaker 4: like one of the first incidents of people like imposing
Speaker 4: an ice rad it was in South Park in San Diego. Right,
Speaker 4: these people are not like like organized members of Antifa.
Speaker 4: Like South Park is a pretty bougey place. It's like
Speaker 4: a vegan small plates restaurant and cocktail place.
Speaker 1: There are people who are pissed that their neighbors are
Speaker 1: getting abducted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just people who were there and were like, no,
Speaker 4: fuck you, this seems wrong.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and again, like we talked about this last week,
Speaker 6: like this is happening in Wheaton, Like people in evangelical
Speaker 6: college towns are or seeing ice trucks roll up and
Speaker 6: like just walking over to them and yelling at them
Speaker 6: and filming them, and that sometimes is enough to make
Speaker 6: them just run away. And that's what this is. You know,
Speaker 6: they're of the fact that they live in an entire
Speaker 6: country of people who don't like that you're dragging their
Speaker 6: neighbors away at gunpoint, and that's a sign to do
Speaker 6: more and not you know, sort of given to fear
Speaker 6: every time there's some executive order bullshit that happens.
Speaker 4: Yep, talking about things where the regime has not been
Speaker 4: as successful as it wanted to. Right, Let's talk about
Speaker 4: the case of the Guatemalan children. We spoke about this
Speaker 4: on ED I think last week potentially the week before, right.
Speaker 4: These were the kids who were grabbed from their beds
Speaker 4: of a labored eight weekend and in that time Judge
Speaker 4: Sparkle Supernanan theyshued an emergency protective order. But we've now
Speaker 4: seen a class action which would bring a more permanent
Speaker 4: protective order for these children. Judge Timothy Kelly I'm going
Speaker 4: to quote him here. He was talking about the government's
Speaker 4: case and he said it had quote crumbled like a
Speaker 4: house of cards. This is in part because a whistleblower's
Speaker 4: account contradicted the government's claim, and his claim was made
Speaker 4: by Acting Director of the Office of Refugee Resettlement, Angie Salazar.
Speaker 4: Salazar said under oath that the children have vin screen
Speaker 4: to ensure they would not be subject to abuse on neglect.
Speaker 4: The whistlebowers claimed that at least thirty of these children
Speaker 4: had been deemed ineligible for return because they have indicators
Speaker 4: of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them
Speaker 4: would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or
Speaker 4: potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this
Speaker 4: was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database
Speaker 4: and such that the acting Director would have access to
Speaker 4: that information. Right. The printed a lot of other evidence
Speaker 4: to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in
Speaker 4: the case, and to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children
Speaker 4: who have received neither a final removal order nor permission
Speaker 4: from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So,
Speaker 4: if you remember, the government had previously said that they
Speaker 4: were resettling these children and that the DA had nothing
Speaker 4: to do with it, that it was an Office of
Speaker 4: Refugee Resettlement operation, right, and that their families wanted them
Speaker 4: home and the families didn't want them home.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: They dropped that claim later. So this is a win. Right.
Speaker 4: They couldn't take these little children away in the night
Speaker 4: and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be
Speaker 4: in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two
Speaker 4: for this week's episode. This is the one that you
Speaker 4: probably heard less about than the Antifa one. But this
Speaker 4: is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 4: it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right,
Speaker 4: He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard
Speaker 4: Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting
Speaker 4: for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump
Speaker 4: card dot gov. That the original stated price was five million.
Speaker 4: The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to
Speaker 4: just one million US dollars one million, one million million
Speaker 4: American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it,
Speaker 4: that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in
Speaker 4: the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's
Speaker 4: promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first
Speaker 4: announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to
Speaker 4: do this statutorily? Right, how's he going to do it legally?
Speaker 4: When it turns out his plan is to consider the
Speaker 4: donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional
Speaker 4: business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB
Speaker 4: two visa. Oh my god, yeah, so like you could
Speaker 4: you could have never engaged in business in your life. Right,
Speaker 4: you could receive a small loan of one million dollars
Speaker 4: from your parents, sure, and that would allow you to
Speaker 4: get one of these. Now, people will go through all
Speaker 4: the usual background checks, right, which, according to the EO,
Speaker 4: will be expedited. Right. You can't be like a Apple
Speaker 4: background bug daddy. He's dead now, but you couldn't be
Speaker 4: him with a million dollars, right and do this?
Speaker 1: For example, I like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would
Speaker 1: like try to move to the US, but would put
Speaker 1: his real name and his application for.
Speaker 5: Coming.
Speaker 4: You got a check for this, yeah, but everyone's god damaged,
Speaker 4: unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy, and.
Speaker 1: There's like a fifty percent chance that it would have
Speaker 1: gotten approved that just like no one would have liked
Speaker 1: would have had his name on. Yeah. Well look, guys,
Speaker 1: the Khalif of Isis is like fucking living in Brooklyn.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know,
Speaker 4: with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for his ted doc.
Speaker 4: He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS
Speaker 4: controlled area of Syria. No, okay, so, to be clear,
Speaker 4: is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration, Yes,
Speaker 4: a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right,
Speaker 4: so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on
Speaker 4: your behalf. And the cards will supposedly b gold and
Speaker 4: have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At
Speaker 4: the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand
Speaker 4: dollar bill to the H one B visa application so
Speaker 4: the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're
Speaker 4: not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor,
Speaker 4: and particularly interested in this because this was one of
Speaker 4: the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture. In
Speaker 4: the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw
Speaker 4: the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk
Speaker 4: going like, no, H one B is a good they
Speaker 4: allow us. They allow them to bring people to this
Speaker 4: country and pay them not very much and take advantage
Speaker 4: of they're skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech
Speaker 4: industry to do.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: Sure. And then we saw the more straight up white
Speaker 4: nationalists right being like, but those people aren't white, we
Speaker 4: don't want them here. And it seems like it is
Speaker 4: that cadra of the Trump coalition, that that part of
Speaker 4: his of his ideological sort of support base, which has
Speaker 4: won out in this instance. Right, because companies cannot save
Speaker 4: money paying someone twenty grand less if they have to
Speaker 4: pay one hundred ges to get them into the country, right, Like,
Speaker 4: individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the
Speaker 4: visa that way, like if they came from wealthy family
Speaker 4: in another country and it just desperately wanted to work
Speaker 4: in the US. But generally H one b's are used
Speaker 4: because employees they can't leave. Right. Your visa is tied
Speaker 4: to your employer, so the employment can be much less favorable,
Speaker 4: especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping
Speaker 4: and changing jobs to try and get a better wage,
Speaker 4: better benefits, et cetera. They can't do that, and so
Speaker 4: that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want
Speaker 4: to talk about immigration judges, and the Trump administration has
Speaker 4: fired even more of them. According to NPR, when Trump
Speaker 4: came into office, they're about seven hundred and thirty five
Speaker 4: of these judges. There are now fewer than five hundred
Speaker 4: and eighty.
Speaker 5: Why, oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. Right. Not all of
Speaker 4: them were fired. Some of them took a vantage of
Speaker 4: the quote unquote fork in the road offer. If we
Speaker 4: remember like early early Trump two point zero, do stuff
Speaker 4: in the immigration judges just so people understand, Like people
Speaker 4: are like what they fire a judge? How can they
Speaker 4: do that? Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary.
Speaker 4: They are a better way of seeing them would be
Speaker 4: a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, I guess,
Speaker 4: worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due
Speaker 4: process to the immigration world. Right, Like in many cases
Speaker 4: they have you know, they're not just rubber stamping deportation orders.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: People do have a chance to make their case in
Speaker 4: front of immigration judges. And even in Trump two point o.
Speaker 4: People are still getting asylum in the United States. The
Speaker 4: courts right now are extremely backed up. Right, people are
Speaker 4: getting here in decks in twenty twenty eight. As we
Speaker 4: heard earlier this week, some courts I read that one
Speaker 4: court is now running at twenty five percent of its capacity,
Speaker 4: Like it's supposed to have twenty one judges and it
Speaker 4: has five. Yep, so this means that people will be
Speaker 4: in detention for longer. I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like,
Speaker 4: h well, one could make that case. Very Yeah. The
Speaker 4: DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the
Speaker 4: Trump administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military
Speaker 4: lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're
Speaker 4: going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those
Speaker 4: people that they expect to get. It depends on it
Speaker 4: if they sort of hand pick those jags or they
Speaker 4: just got a bunch of people from the National Guard.
Speaker 4: But sure, I don't think that that's going to be
Speaker 4: the just like straight up deportation factory that some people
Speaker 4: might assume it to be. But nonetheless, right now what
Speaker 4: we have is five hundred and eighty judges, tens of
Speaker 4: thousands of people in detention, and detention numbers and detention
Speaker 4: over crowding growing every single day, so that is not good.
Speaker 4: Detention facilities are terrible at the best of times, and
Speaker 4: conditions are pretty awful for I think I've heard right
Speaker 4: now talking of things that are pretty awful. Here are
Speaker 4: some products and services.
Speaker 1: We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs.
Speaker 1: Wait a second, do y'all hear that music?
Speaker 5: Sorry?
Speaker 4: Jazz?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: Sorry?
Speaker 8: Z right?
Speaker 4: Jazz? Wow. We haven't had the song for a while.
Speaker 4: That was nice, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was good.
Speaker 5: That was good, just like old times.
Speaker 1: Bring it back, just like old times.
Speaker 4: Several months ago, Garrison has a stir alarm clock, do
Speaker 4: you Garrison?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would
Speaker 1: be too much. That would be too much. I would
Speaker 1: I would need we would need to interview.
Speaker 4: Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all.
Speaker 1: Right, Mia? How our tariffs be?
Speaker 4: Do so?
Speaker 6: We have some tariff news. One is that we have
Speaker 6: a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a
Speaker 6: whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed
Speaker 6: to continue or not. That is going to be on
Speaker 6: November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I
Speaker 6: think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs,
Speaker 6: we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten
Speaker 6: political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting
Speaker 6: him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there
Speaker 6: was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly
Speaker 6: quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still
Speaker 6: into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole
Speaker 6: bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to
Speaker 6: focus on with this is US agriculture, because we have
Speaker 6: been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American
Speaker 6: agricultural sector that has really not broken out of like
Speaker 6: Midwest agriculture circles very much.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: One of the major consequences of in some sense also
Speaker 6: the tariffs on Brazilia. One of the major consequences of
Speaker 6: the US tariffs on China is that, like China did
Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any
Speaker 6: American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million
Speaker 6: tons of soy every year, and more than half of
Speaker 6: that is sold to China.
Speaker 1: And again if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: the soy, the soy is ruining people. You shouldn't support this,
Speaker 1: well no.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, you should.
Speaker 4: You should.
Speaker 6: You should be opposed to this because you should be
Speaker 6: wanting to export soy to China so that you can
Speaker 6: you can make the Chinese woken soy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying.
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.
Speaker 1: Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it
Speaker 1: out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy.
Speaker 6: The other people who support the export of soy to
Speaker 6: try to are American farmers. So god, I guess this
Speaker 6: is like, this is like the farming thing that I
Speaker 6: say on this show. I did technically there was technically
Speaker 6: a farm behind my house growing up. This is something
Speaker 6: that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean
Speaker 6: corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for
Speaker 6: the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture.
Speaker 4: Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but in order to do this you have to
Speaker 6: be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened,
Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen. This was kind of kind of behind
Speaker 6: the scenes, so that there was a whole big trades
Speaker 6: down off in twenty eighteen. And one of the things
Speaker 6: that played a big role in ending it was the
Speaker 6: fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the
Speaker 6: US for a year and it really really really messed
Speaker 6: with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an
Speaker 6: account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay.
Speaker 6: For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at
Speaker 6: about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss
Speaker 6: per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said
Speaker 6: on his own farm, he expects losses to top four
Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are
Speaker 6: not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses.
Speaker 6: Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions.
Speaker 6: They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's
Speaker 6: happening right now is that there is a bunch of
Speaker 6: soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: you know, like no one wants to buy them. And
Speaker 6: I've seen a few things talking about like, Okay, they're
Speaker 6: you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can turn
Speaker 6: them into soybean oil and use like in the US
Speaker 6: and do that. But like, this is becoming a really
Speaker 6: serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans
Speaker 6: is that it's not like you store them in different things, right,
Speaker 6: because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them.
Speaker 6: The sort of storage hubs that they use are the
Speaker 6: same ones. And the problem is that there are basically
Speaker 6: stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold,
Speaker 6: and this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the
Speaker 6: corn harvest and you have to put the corn somewhere.
Speaker 6: It's a good example of the kind of middle miniature
Speaker 6: logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down
Speaker 6: the supply chains as these tariffs sort of continue to
Speaker 6: roll in, and as the instability of them get he
Speaker 6: needs to roll in that you and I aren't seen yet,
Speaker 6: or we haven't seen much of the effectives other than
Speaker 6: some small price increases, but down the supply chain there
Speaker 6: are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing
Speaker 6: with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This is going to
Speaker 6: be We're going to see the acceleration of this with
Speaker 6: a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in the meantime, China
Speaker 6: is just basically going to the country that the US
Speaker 6: lap fifty percent tariffs on. They're going to Brazil and
Speaker 6: attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demanded largely from Brazil,
Speaker 6: which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this
Speaker 6: is also very important politically because the American farming sector
Speaker 6: is very, very powerful. There have been some bailouts already,
Speaker 6: but they're not going to be able to sustain the
Speaker 6: American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more
Speaker 6: than one year. Only there was only one year in
Speaker 6: twenty eighteen when they didn't buy and it was at fiasco.
Speaker 6: If this goes on for an extended period of time,
Speaker 6: it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the
Speaker 6: economy was doing a lot better in twenty eighteen than
Speaker 6: it is right now. I mean, it's still kind of
Speaker 6: a best, but yeah, so this this is going to
Speaker 6: turn into an increasing sort of political thorn for Trump
Speaker 6: among a bunch of people who are supposed to be
Speaker 6: his base because people are very, very frustrated about this,
Speaker 6: and it is getting very little press attention. This has
Speaker 6: been the American farming tariff update question mark.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, why would we want to hear about farming
Speaker 2: tariff news when instead we can just keep the culture
Speaker 2: war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead,
Speaker 2: Like that's the whole point of their political machine. It's
Speaker 2: not that everything is a distraction from something else, right,
Speaker 2: It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with
Speaker 2: like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever,
Speaker 2: like all of this stuff, no one's gonna care about
Speaker 2: farming tariff news.
Speaker 4: Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right, you put
Speaker 4: it out there and like half your fucking audience is
Speaker 4: going to be like lol, lamal they voted for Trump,
Speaker 4: sucks for them, Like yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: And the question effectively is are the people who previously
Speaker 6: had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei
Speaker 6: like trans women in sports stuff going to be able
Speaker 6: to be kept in line when the soybeans are running
Speaker 6: in the field.
Speaker 5: And we will we will see, we shall see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, the Department
Speaker 2: of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute
Speaker 2: and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This
Speaker 2: is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll
Speaker 2: work with over forty national and state organizations to quote
Speaker 2: spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and
Speaker 2: conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other
Speaker 2: organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms
Speaker 2: for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three
Speaker 2: explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now all of these groups are
Speaker 2: basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or
Speaker 2: religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering
Speaker 2: directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play
Speaker 2: video from the new website explaining the initiative.
Speaker 8: Education was once a shining light guiding generations built on faith, heritage, patriotism,
Speaker 8: but over the past sixty to seventy years that brilliance
Speaker 8: has been dimmed. A great institution has been crumbled from.
Speaker 5: Within, playing Civil Rights era.
Speaker 8: Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division from fundamental.
Speaker 4: States.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's triggering phrase for me, critical race theory, gender
Speaker 2: queer drag queens.
Speaker 8: Now on the two hundred and fiftieth Linda mcmation, the
Speaker 8: Department of Education, the America two fifty Civic Education Coalition,
Speaker 8: and partners across America are reigniting that light, understanding and
Speaker 8: returning education to the States where it belongs.
Speaker 4: For this was bent your white kids.
Speaker 8: That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President
Speaker 8: Trump and Secretary McMahon.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, are
Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4: AI generated lighthouse.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, because.
Speaker 5: We are Americans, the futures ares.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse
Speaker 2: has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes
Speaker 2: the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our
Speaker 2: patriotic education.
Speaker 4: To find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one.
Speaker 2: With audio from w W Secretary Man, it's like the
Speaker 2: most hyper reality American brain say that this is this
Speaker 2: is like the here's a lead paint thing that we're
Speaker 2: talking about, like talking about how a Marian education has
Speaker 2: been like totally destroyed, and they're playing footage of like
Speaker 2: civil rights era like protests and like leaders.
Speaker 5: You can't parody this, nah no.
Speaker 1: And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and
Speaker 1: edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood
Speaker 1: ayluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I
Speaker 1: guess you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen
Speaker 1: years yeah, and their culture shit like so that scans
Speaker 1: but yeah, like it, this is like it sounds like
Speaker 1: a fucking uh uh who's the guy who did independence stake?
Speaker 1: God damn it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we
Speaker 4: should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated
Speaker 4: in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which
Speaker 4: is ye yes, I just want to I just want
Speaker 4: to just sort of drop that nugget.
Speaker 2: And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that
Speaker 2: we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what
Speaker 2: these people want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for
Speaker 4: folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's
Speaker 4: what we do. We don't just like, go to God.
Speaker 4: We've done it all now, we've worked it all out.
Speaker 4: No need for any more historians. That's said that, that's
Speaker 4: not how history works.
Speaker 2: The chief education officer of Turning Point Education. This is
Speaker 2: his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg, Triple H said
Speaker 2: that quote that.
Speaker 4: Was also wwe character Is it the same guy?
Speaker 2: No, this is a this is a Christian educator. Oh okay,
Speaker 2: he says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than
Speaker 2: ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for students flourishing
Speaker 2: across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored
Speaker 2: to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America
Speaker 2: two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, and reclaim
Speaker 2: robust American Civics education for all students throughout our country.
Speaker 5: Unquote.
Speaker 2: Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced
Speaker 2: that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high
Speaker 2: school across the state. Oh great, here's the Superintendent Ryan
Speaker 2: Waters of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to do announce today that every Oklahoma high
Speaker 3: school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have
Speaker 3: seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want
Speaker 3: to be engaged in a meaningful work going on a
Speaker 3: Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged
Speaker 3: in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue
Speaker 3: about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so
Speaker 3: excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.
Speaker 3: For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with
Speaker 3: the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woken doctrination on
Speaker 3: our kids. They fight parents' rights, they push parents out
Speaker 3: of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about
Speaker 3: American history. What we're going to continue to do is
Speaker 3: make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in
Speaker 3: civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue
Speaker 3: to do all that we can sure OCLUMA students have
Speaker 3: the best education plots.
Speaker 2: Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter quote radical
Speaker 2: leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long,
Speaker 2: and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we
Speaker 2: talked with this guy last year.
Speaker 5: At the rn C.
Speaker 1: YEP, Yeah, we should.
Speaker 5: We might do something with that interview.
Speaker 1: At some point I wish he'd got he'd been out
Speaker 1: of a job by now, but life life, huh.
Speaker 2: The last thing I want to discuss today is quote
Speaker 2: unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters
Speaker 2: across the Internet be really really concerned about for you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a
Speaker 2: few articles the past few days. First to one from
Speaker 2: last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people.
Speaker 2: The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent
Speaker 2: extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder as how
Speaker 2: can frame that on the headline and for his tweet
Speaker 2: alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot us has
Speaker 2: spread this reporting even further Quote FBI to categorize trans
Speaker 2: people as nihilistic, violent extremist. Threat Group report says the
Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender
Speaker 2: people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and I
Speaker 2: will explain why in great detail. Shortly, the Federal Bureau
Speaker 2: of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people
Speaker 2: as like a category, as like a class of people,
Speaker 2: as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is
Speaker 2: currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this.
Speaker 2: Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category
Speaker 2: of trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will
Speaker 2: quote from here shortly. But let's get into what the
Speaker 2: first article from Clippenstein actually wrote, based on a source
Speaker 2: inside the government quote. The senior official explains that they're
Speaker 2: there is no process per se for dealing with trans
Speaker 2: people as a quote unquote threat group, but feels that
Speaker 2: trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of
Speaker 2: violent extremism. Under the plant being discussed, the FBI would
Speaker 2: treat transgender subjects as a subset of the bureau's new
Speaker 2: threat category, nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic
Speaker 2: violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and
Speaker 2: we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting
Speaker 2: trans people like this is something that everyone who listens
Speaker 2: to this show is aware of. This is this is
Speaker 2: a real thing, But there is not actually any new
Speaker 2: verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior and right wing influencers talking about transgender
Speaker 2: terrorists and this trend of transgender terrorists as they have
Speaker 2: been for the past two years. Me and Mia did
Speaker 2: that piece about fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago.
Speaker 2: That was two years ago to we We've been tracking
Speaker 2: this rhetoric for a long time, So stuff like that
Speaker 2: fills up a lot of the space in articles like this,
Speaker 2: but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article,
Speaker 2: Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels
Speaker 2: like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now,
Speaker 2: in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the
Speaker 2: ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to
Speaker 2: sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates from
Speaker 2: the discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that.
Speaker 2: We've talked about them on the show be here before
Speaker 2: as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates
Speaker 2: the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This
Speaker 2: this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year,
Speaker 2: and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's
Speaker 2: exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom.
Speaker 2: But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents
Speaker 2: in this report showing like current memos or communications on
Speaker 2: this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not
Speaker 2: leaked documents in this report.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: As we all know and we've reported, the right wing
Speaker 2: hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's
Speaker 2: coming from the Trump administration, from state level government, as
Speaker 2: well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think
Speaker 2: right now especially, it's really important to read reports like
Speaker 2: this very carefully. Trans fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement,
Speaker 2: which then can encourage people to use framing like this
Speaker 2: that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few
Speaker 2: hours before Pilplstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation
Speaker 2: and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the
Speaker 2: FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they
Speaker 2: call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV.
Speaker 5: Quote.
Speaker 2: TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified
Speaker 2: against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology.
Speaker 2: It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic
Speaker 2: terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has
Speaker 2: played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools,
Speaker 2: that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a
Speaker 2: list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers
Speaker 2: who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated
Speaker 2: by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government
Speaker 2: documents have shown, including acts from the past like six
Speaker 2: or seven years. But Heritage Rights that quote experts estimate
Speaker 2: no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school
Speaker 2: shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve
Speaker 2: trans ideology unquote fifty percent.
Speaker 5: Have involved or likely involved.
Speaker 2: Yet in this list they can only list three school shootings.
Speaker 2: They can only list three, even their own list, which
Speaker 2: they say fifty percent likely involve trans ideology.
Speaker 5: There's been more than three school shootings this year.
Speaker 2: This month, there's been more three school shootings not involving
Speaker 2: trans people this year. This this is a wild, wildly
Speaker 2: atrocious is sad?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just fabricated right, like.
Speaker 1: And again, like reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point, Like.
Speaker 2: No, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean
Speaker 2: that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists.
Speaker 2: What it would do is it would create a category
Speaker 2: to use for investigations into violent acts graph patterns of violence,
Speaker 2: argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance
Speaker 2: on people or groups that are deemed as threats as
Speaker 2: a part of this strut group. But in the petition,
Speaker 2: Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their
Speaker 2: allies are domestic terrorists.
Speaker 5: Quote. They are even free to engage it in offensive
Speaker 5: and hateful speech under the first men, so long as
Speaker 5: they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity,
Speaker 5: or some other category of non protected speech. The domestic
Speaker 5: terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups one
Speaker 5: are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence,
Speaker 5: and two take or incite unlawful violent action or threats
Speaker 5: based on that ideology. Both criteria must be met.
Speaker 2: Unquote. That's from the Heritage's own petition. It's not There's
Speaker 2: nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says
Speaker 2: that trans people entirely are going to be deemed terrorists
Speaker 2: or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not what
Speaker 2: either Heritage or what the actual details of articles like
Speaker 2: Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide.
Speaker 2: The Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label
Speaker 2: as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they
Speaker 2: do not want combined into one single category. I don't
Speaker 2: know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much.
Speaker 2: It's really important to understand how trans people are actually
Speaker 2: under threat right now, because they are right. The biggest
Speaker 2: threats to transpaople right now are access to healthcare, specifically
Speaker 2: for people who are under the age of eighteen, and
Speaker 2: things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people
Speaker 2: from public life. But the other biggest threat to transpeople
Speaker 2: right now is like ourselves, and we don't need to
Speaker 2: do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized.
Speaker 2: Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes
Speaker 2: everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community.
Speaker 2: The trans panic industrial complex is dangerous and people need
Speaker 2: to be very careful about this because it's an extremely
Speaker 2: dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going
Speaker 2: on is going to be crucial to survive the next
Speaker 2: few months to years.
Speaker 1: No and again, we've seen this on the right and
Speaker 1: this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of
Speaker 1: people on the right and getting them to do fucked
Speaker 1: up shit. Is years of like they're coming for you,
Speaker 1: They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for
Speaker 1: you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's
Speaker 1: money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be telling people everything's good,
Speaker 1: because it's not. That things are very dangerous for trans
Speaker 1: people right now in a way they have not been
Speaker 1: at any point previously in very recent history. Things are
Speaker 1: much worse. Right, nobody's denying that, but you have to
Speaker 1: look at like the facts of how they're worse, as
Speaker 1: opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the
Speaker 1: article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says
Speaker 1: and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right,
Speaker 1: because that's not going to end.
Speaker 6: Well, No, don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this.
Speaker 6: I also want to briefly note on I've seen a
Speaker 6: lot of comparisons of this to the Black identity extremism designation,
Speaker 6: and I want to bring this back to something that
Speaker 6: Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihilis extremism
Speaker 6: category was like specifically designed to target like a specific
Speaker 6: sort of complex network of.
Speaker 5: Yeah, pedophile discord servers.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the same methodology that was used for
Speaker 6: black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they
Speaker 6: conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people.
Speaker 6: It was a category that was specifically designed to go
Speaker 6: after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the
Speaker 6: wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and this is completely just not
Speaker 6: the process that is happening for this, right, Like, we're
Speaker 6: not dealing with Okay, there is a specific group of
Speaker 6: transactivists that the government wants to target, so they're creating
Speaker 6: a label for it, right, We don't have any evidence
Speaker 6: of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources
Speaker 6: saying they feel like something might happen.
Speaker 2: That trans people could be targeted, And you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: trans people have been targeted, like that, that's what's happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists
Speaker 2: at this point?
Speaker 5: Unlikely?
Speaker 2: Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage proposal
Speaker 2: for FORTIV, Yeah, possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely
Speaker 2: a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way
Speaker 2: that people are talking about it online or the way
Speaker 2: that headlines are framing it. No, it's not about designating
Speaker 2: all trans people as terrorists as a class.
Speaker 6: It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like
Speaker 6: the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like
Speaker 6: they already had people they were going after and they
Speaker 6: wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order
Speaker 6: to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They
Speaker 6: don't have like a list of like trans discord servers
Speaker 6: that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, Like,
Speaker 6: that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 2: No, But they could go after people who are make
Speaker 2: threats online, and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's fbiyah
Speaker 2: would love to do. And if they can sort those
Speaker 2: people into a category like tive to argue in a
Speaker 2: prosecution or to or to make like a float chart
Speaker 2: to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from
Speaker 6: them even like starting that process that you should be
Speaker 6: concerned about the actual threats from Like I don't know
Speaker 6: I mean just like literally there's there's been a series
Speaker 6: of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in
Speaker 6: Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like
Speaker 6: an actual substantive thing that is happening that is not this,
Speaker 6: that is not some sort of nebulous like we are
Speaker 6: relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at
Speaker 6: and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do
Speaker 6: about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial
Speaker 6: complex and panicking about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super
Speaker 2: viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the
Speaker 2: algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic
Speaker 2: boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those
Speaker 2: are so much more satis find they spread like wildfire
Speaker 2: across blue sky and Twitter and like even things like
Speaker 2: Instagram stories. And just be very careful about anything that
Speaker 2: goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain.
Speaker 2: It's trying to worm its way into your brain to
Speaker 2: take the form as a thought that you had yourself.
Speaker 2: And be super careful because this type of weaponize on
Speaker 2: reality has been used so successfully the past ten years
Speaker 2: against the right. This is how the whole like you know,
Speaker 2: migrant panic wave started lies about immigration.
Speaker 5: This like panicked framing.
Speaker 2: These things spread like wildfire online and now you have
Speaker 2: large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like
Speaker 2: like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social
Speaker 2: media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how
Speaker 2: your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like
Speaker 2: a collective sense of reality. And you are also being
Speaker 2: targeted by this same process in different ways than the
Speaker 2: right is, but this process is still targeting you as well.
Speaker 2: And it's like super important to like read things critically
Speaker 2: and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't
Speaker 2: think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in
Speaker 2: our life.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, that's the news this week.
Speaker 5: We sure did report it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the news this week.
Speaker 4: We reported the head out of media go away. We
Speaker 4: reported the.
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