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Speaker 1: Colzon Media.

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Speaker 2: This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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Speaker 2: what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today. I'm

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Speaker 2: joined by Mia Wong Jamestown and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: This week, we're covering the week of September eighteen to

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Speaker 2: September twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Luckily, nothink that remarkable has happened. It's a bit short one.

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Speaker 2: Another famously slow newsweek in the United States of America

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Speaker 2: and abroad, only the most stable out of all democratic countries.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, I mean the democracies were easily the

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Speaker 1: most democratic.

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Speaker 4: Shining city on a hill. It's saying, that's right, that's right, elevated. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: So let's talk about this guy who opened fire and

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Speaker 4: ice detention facility to start off with.

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Speaker 1: Then, sure, that's the big news story today is that

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Speaker 1: there's been a shooting at an ice facility in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: This is not the first shooting at a North Texas

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Speaker 1: ice facility this year. Two detainees were killed and one injured.

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Speaker 1: Last I saw, they were in an ice van, it

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Speaker 1: looks like and the shooter killed themselves pretty quickly. It

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Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, like fired a few rounds and then

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Speaker 1: killed themselves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Cash Hotel, who's the director to the FBI, shared

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Speaker 4: pretty quickly after shooting on x dot com the Everything

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Speaker 4: website a photo of a strip eclip of what looks

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Speaker 4: a lot like ein't milimeter Mauser ammunition. One round had

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Speaker 4: the wood anti ice written on it in blue pen

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Speaker 4: in block capital letters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, lazy, we can agree on that, like, especially compared

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Speaker 1: to etching them onto a bullet. This has been I think,

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Speaker 1: immediately adopted by God. I mean, it seems like I

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Speaker 1: haven't done a deep survey, but most of the liberals

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Speaker 1: and leftists that I follow on both Twitter and Blue Sky,

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Speaker 1: and on just looking at friends on Facebook, they have

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Speaker 1: pretty immediately gone after this as a false flag or something.

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Speaker 2: Liberals and left us casting doubt on the authenticity of this.

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing both people be like, well, the shooter must

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Speaker 1: have been a right winger who lazily put anti ice

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Speaker 1: on the bullet, or this is some sort of federal conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of conspiracism here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we simply don't know very much about the shooting

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Speaker 2: at this point. It's unclear who the shooter was aiming

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Speaker 2: for if they were just aiming at ice property, right

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Speaker 2: like unknowingly shooting like migrant detainees inside.

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Speaker 1: Did they think whoever was an ad van was a cop?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, most of this lines up with the person

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Speaker 4: being the sort of person who ends up being a

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Speaker 4: high profile shooter, right, Like, they're not so much an

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Speaker 4: ideologically motivated person as someone who, like you say, pretty

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Speaker 4: low effort wrote anti ice on their bullets at the

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Speaker 4: last minute of not on the bullet, but on the

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Speaker 4: casing that holds the fucking powder that the bullet goes in. Like,

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Speaker 4: I understand how that works.

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Speaker 1: And this just fits. This is something I tried to

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Speaker 1: talk about pretty regularly. Shootings in the United States are

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Speaker 1: heavily driven by mimetic spread.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: This has been happening since Columbine. There have been more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred copycat shootings of Columbine. And you do

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Speaker 1: have shooters who are let's say original, right like the

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Speaker 1: christ Church shooter, where they have new ideas for things

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Speaker 1: to do in mass shootings and then in the wake

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Speaker 1: of those, because whenever someone does something really new, it

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Speaker 1: gets a lot of attention, right Like, if there's a

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Speaker 1: mass shooting that gets a lot more media coverage than

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Speaker 1: other ones, there will be people who copy it and

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Speaker 1: who copy specific aspects of that shooting. And what I'm

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Speaker 1: seeing with this guy that kind of just fits into

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Speaker 1: that pattern is you had a really high profile North

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Speaker 1: really high profile shooting where somebody with a hunting rifle

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Speaker 1: shot at targets from the top of a roof, right,

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Speaker 1: And I'm seeing both of those things in this shooting,

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Speaker 1: and I guess it's just like, Yeah, that kind of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess another thing that has been fueling this

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Speaker 4: conspiracy zerm So the guy used a Mauser rifle, different

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Speaker 4: type of Mauser rifle to the last one. It looks

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Speaker 4: to me like a con ninety eight. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The previous one was a very old Mauser that had

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Speaker 1: been rebarreled the thirty eight to six, which is a

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Speaker 1: eight millimeter Mauser, which was the gun the Nazi that

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Speaker 1: was the standard battle rifle of the Wehrmacht during World

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Speaker 1: War Two. Yeah, it's not weird. He would have access

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Speaker 1: found his mother's Facebook. They'll talk some more about that,

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Speaker 1: her talking about how she recently had to clean out

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Speaker 1: like a barn and a farm that her grandfather and

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Speaker 1: dad had owned and get rid of a lot of

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Speaker 1: their stuff. It kind of makes sense to me. One

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Speaker 1: have just gotten passed down under the family. Right, not weird, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No way at all. Like you say, there are probably

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Speaker 4: hundreds of thousands of these in the United States.

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Speaker 1: It was very common. And again that's more or less

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Speaker 1: probably what happened with the Charlie kirkshooter. Why why they

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Speaker 1: had a mouser right, Yeah, because it was their grandpa's rifle.

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Speaker 1: Probably had it re rebarreled or whatever. You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not uncommon at all. Someone in especially somewhere like

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Speaker 4: Texas where you know those rifles, even if you didn't

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Speaker 4: bring them back from World War One, like could have

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Speaker 4: been obtained by private party transfer any time in the

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Speaker 4: last seventy five years. So he'd been placed on probation

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Speaker 4: for twenty sixteen marijuana offense, for which he pled guilty

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Speaker 4: and received deferred adjudication. I guess in Texas it's considered

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Speaker 4: dealing marijuana, but it just seems to be that he

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Speaker 4: ounce but less than five pounds. I'm not that familiar

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Speaker 4: with Texas law in that regard, but that is a

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Speaker 4: thing that we found out about him. I'll just add that, like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know if that effects his ability to obtain

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Speaker 4: a new firearm by doing a forty four to seventy three.

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Speaker 1: It's it's unclear, but it wouldn't. It doesn't matter in

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Speaker 1: Texas because again, you can just meet a guy in

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Speaker 1: a parking lot and buy a gun exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not relevant.

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Speaker 1: As I did when I lived in Texas almost every month.

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Speaker 4: Would be great today of Texas. Yeah, see, it's easy

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Speaker 1: How did he get the gun? It could have He

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Speaker 1: could have gotten it by accident. He could have traded

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Speaker 1: there's no barriers to him owning this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we still don't know very much about this guy

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Speaker 2: a LinkedIn that hasn't been updated in a few years. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he voted in the twenty twenty Democratic primary.

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Speaker 5: We know that from Texas voting records.

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Speaker 2: His mom's Facebook has a few political sentiments, but not

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Speaker 2: expressed very commonly. She's posted a few times about Greg

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Speaker 2: Abbot's pro gun stances.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she was definitely like anti NRA, anti.

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Speaker 2: Abbot, anti NRA, upset about Abbot and a senator Korn

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Speaker 2: and Cruise not taking action for gun control damp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't the sort of gun that would ever

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Speaker 4: be impacted by now proposed gun control legislation, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: this is kind of central to the gun that people

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Speaker 4: generally fail is reasonable to people to own.

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Speaker 1: Yes, assuming that it was something that he inherited from

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Speaker 1: a grandfather, a great grandfather. Even like gun control bills

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Speaker 1: stop this because the dims always tend to include an

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Speaker 1: exception for like, yeah, inheriting your dad's hunting rifle or

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, on an old Google Plus profile that's cashed deep.

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Speaker 2: His profile picture is like a Soviet communist carerture. But again,

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Speaker 2: that is no indication of a recent political alignment. We

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Speaker 2: still don't have a detailed look at this guy's politics.

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Speaker 2: But people have been quick to call this a false

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Speaker 2: flag when I think this appears more like in the

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Speaker 2: manifestation of this reality brain rottedness that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: vis a vis the years of lead paint, Like brain

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Speaker 2: rot inspires like ill thought or logical actions that maybe

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Speaker 2: appear akin to a half baked false flag. This is

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Speaker 2: like just a result of this weaponized on reality. Fiction

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Speaker 2: inspires reality, and then reality is seen through the lens

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Speaker 2: of fiction. So people project onto the state this like

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Speaker 2: so like Eddington pilled.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I remember there was there was a really big

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Speaker 6: like someone like graffitied like Chuck Schumer's garage or something,

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Speaker 6: and everyone that I knew was convinced it was a

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Speaker 6: false flag, Like yeah, all over Twitter's Olver Blues. Everyone

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Speaker 6: thought it was a false flag, and it's just like

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Speaker 6: all of that has just accelerated alongside this process that

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Speaker 6: all this is a false flag, then you have the

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Speaker 6: other unreality tunnels that are like generating these people, and

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Speaker 6: they're just sort of like, yeah, flowing parallel to each other.

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Speaker 5: Nashing into each other. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, Like people are so quick just to point the

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Speaker 2: Black's rule image to discount every single thing that might

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Speaker 2: that someone who is suicidal would do a crazy thing

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Speaker 2: like this, inspired by recent events and scribble something onto

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Speaker 2: a bullet trying to shoot at ICE equipment or ICE

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Speaker 2: have no way to understand that as a premise, and

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Speaker 2: the only way that you can see something like this

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Speaker 2: and like broken reality to force yourself to believe than

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Speaker 2: slowly without jumping to a very quick assumption that satisfies

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Speaker 2: your emotional reaction to a tragic event like this where

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Speaker 2: multiple people have died. With Trump in power again, I

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Speaker 2: think it's entirely possible that oppositional political violence will take

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Speaker 2: a form that resembles quote unquote left wing attacks increasingly

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Speaker 2: through the next few years. It's not twenty eighteen anymore.

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Speaker 2: Calling this guy a leftist right now doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 2: We don't have a clear look at his politics or

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Speaker 2: if he really even had serious politics.

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Speaker 5: But there are a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Like seemingly normal people who are depressed, demoralized, or angry

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Speaker 2: and might not write a stupid twitter brained manifesto and

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Speaker 2: scribbling anti ice gets a point across, whether that's sincere

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Speaker 2: or some kind of ironic ship post. If anti ice

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Speaker 2: sounds weird in comparison to fuck ice or abolish Ice, again,

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Speaker 2: not everyone is part of like the leftist twitter brained

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Speaker 2: through intently anyway, as is common with these like quick

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Speaker 2: copycat style attacks and attacks like this are also sometimes

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Speaker 2: just harshly driven by suicide, wanting to do something as

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Speaker 2: a part of the suicidal act, and like who knows

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Speaker 2: what this shooter was aiming for or what they thought

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Speaker 2: they were aiming for. We do not have enough information yet.

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Speaker 1: And it's worth noting NBC has interviewed his brother. Kind

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Speaker 4: It comes from a mind control pond.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of false flags and Tiffa Antifa.

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Speaker 1: I hardly no, that doesn't Garrison, just continue.

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Speaker 1: All right, listen, folks, We're going to be doing what

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, in terms of what these people are

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Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, Like if you go back to the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're just people who were there and were like, no,

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Speaker 4: of being victimized by child abusers before, so returning them

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Speaker 4: would obviously return them to that situation of abuse or

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Speaker 4: potentially do so. Right. The whistleblowers further stated that this

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Speaker 4: was in an OORR database Office of Refugee Resettlement database

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Speaker 4: and such that the acting Director would have access to

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Speaker 4: that information. Right. The printed a lot of other evidence

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Speaker 4: to Judge Kelly, who granted protection to the children in

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Speaker 4: the case, and to quote all un accompanied Guatemalan children

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Speaker 4: who have received neither a final removal order nor permission

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Speaker 4: from the Attorney General to voluntarily depart the United States. So,

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Speaker 4: if you remember, the government had previously said that they

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Speaker 4: were resettling these children and that the DA had nothing

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Speaker 4: to do with it, that it was an Office of

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Speaker 4: Refugee Resettlement operation, right, and that their families wanted them

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Speaker 4: home and the families didn't want them home.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: They dropped that claim later. So this is a win. Right.

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Speaker 4: They couldn't take these little children away in the night

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Speaker 4: and spirit them off to somewhere where they would be

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Speaker 4: in danger. Let's move on to Executive Order number two

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Speaker 4: for this week's episode. This is the one that you

457
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Speaker 4: probably heard less about than the Antifa one. But this

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Speaker 4: is the quote unquote gold card executive order. Oh god, yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's a gold card. Trump has been true thing about this, right,

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Speaker 4: He truced about it in June. Also in June, Howard

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Speaker 4: Lutnik announced that they were already seventy thousand people waiting

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Speaker 4: for these gold cards. Applications could be made at Trump

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Speaker 4: card dot gov. That the original stated price was five million.

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Speaker 4: The executive order signed this week slashed the cost to

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Speaker 4: just one million US dollars one million, one million million

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Speaker 4: American dollars. And as our currency continues to crush it,

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Speaker 4: that will only get more affordable for folks elsewhere in

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Speaker 4: the world. So that's great, it's good. This is Trump's

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Speaker 4: promise plan to sell permanent residency. Right when he first

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Speaker 4: announced this, we kind of wondered, how's he going to

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Speaker 4: do this statutorily? Right, how's he going to do it legally?

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Speaker 4: When it turns out his plan is to consider the

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Speaker 4: donation as evidence that the person is quote of exceptional

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Speaker 4: business ability and that makes them eligible for an EB

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Speaker 4: two visa. Oh my god, yeah, so like you could

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Speaker 4: you could have never engaged in business in your life. Right,

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Speaker 4: you could receive a small loan of one million dollars

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Speaker 4: from your parents, sure, and that would allow you to

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Speaker 4: get one of these. Now, people will go through all

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Speaker 4: the usual background checks, right, which, according to the EO,

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Speaker 4: will be expedited. Right. You can't be like a Apple

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Speaker 4: background bug daddy. He's dead now, but you couldn't be

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Speaker 4: him with a million dollars, right and do this?

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Speaker 1: For example, I like the idea that Abubaka Albigdadi would

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Speaker 1: like try to move to the US, but would put

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Speaker 1: his real name and his application for.

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Speaker 5: Coming.

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Speaker 4: You got a check for this, yeah, but everyone's god damaged,

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Speaker 4: unfortunate man. He shares that name with a bad guy, and.

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Speaker 1: There's like a fifty percent chance that it would have

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Speaker 1: gotten approved that just like no one would have liked

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Speaker 1: would have had his name on. Yeah. Well look, guys,

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Speaker 1: the Khalif of Isis is like fucking living in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's going to all those founders meetings, you know,

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Speaker 4: with other CEOs to discuss managing a large organization.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for his ted doc.

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Speaker 4: He's put its address as a tunnel in a HGS

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Speaker 4: controlled area of Syria. No, okay, so, to be clear,

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Speaker 4: is dead. It's killed in the first Trump administration, Yes,

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Speaker 4: a corporation donating for an individual would pay two million, right,

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Speaker 4: so it's more expensive if a corpse doing it on

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Speaker 4: your behalf. And the cards will supposedly b gold and

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Speaker 4: have Donald Trump's face on them, which is nice. At

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Speaker 4: the same time, the Trump administration added one hundred thousand

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Speaker 4: dollar bill to the H one B visa application so

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Speaker 4: the visa application fee. The H one B, if you're

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Speaker 4: not familiar, is an immigration scheme for skilled non immigrant labor,

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Speaker 4: and particularly interested in this because this was one of

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Speaker 4: the moments that the Trump coalition began to fracture. In

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Speaker 4: the early days of the Trump administration, Like, we saw

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Speaker 4: the kind of tech right as exemplified by Elon Musk

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Speaker 4: going like, no, H one B is a good they

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Speaker 4: allow us. They allow them to bring people to this

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Speaker 4: country and pay them not very much and take advantage

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Speaker 4: of they're skilled labor. It's what they allowed the tech

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Speaker 4: industry to do.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 4: Sure. And then we saw the more straight up white

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Speaker 4: nationalists right being like, but those people aren't white, we

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Speaker 4: don't want them here. And it seems like it is

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Speaker 4: that cadra of the Trump coalition, that that part of

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Speaker 4: his of his ideological sort of support base, which has

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Speaker 4: won out in this instance. Right, because companies cannot save

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Speaker 4: money paying someone twenty grand less if they have to

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Speaker 4: pay one hundred ges to get them into the country, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: individuals could make that donation, I guess, and get the

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Speaker 4: visa that way, like if they came from wealthy family

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Speaker 4: in another country and it just desperately wanted to work

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Speaker 4: in the US. But generally H one b's are used

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Speaker 4: because employees they can't leave. Right. Your visa is tied

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Speaker 4: to your employer, so the employment can be much less favorable,

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Speaker 4: especially in the tech industry where people are always shopping

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Speaker 4: and changing jobs to try and get a better wage,

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Speaker 4: better benefits, et cetera. They can't do that, and so

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Speaker 4: that will be coming to an end. Finally, I want

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Speaker 4: to talk about immigration judges, and the Trump administration has

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Speaker 4: fired even more of them. According to NPR, when Trump

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Speaker 4: came into office, they're about seven hundred and thirty five

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Speaker 4: of these judges. There are now fewer than five hundred

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Speaker 4: and eighty.

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Speaker 5: Why, oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's quite a remarkable cut. Right. Not all of

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Speaker 4: them were fired. Some of them took a vantage of

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Speaker 4: the quote unquote fork in the road offer. If we

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Speaker 4: remember like early early Trump two point zero, do stuff

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Speaker 4: in the immigration judges just so people understand, Like people

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Speaker 4: are like what they fire a judge? How can they

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Speaker 4: do that? Immigration judges are not part of the independent judiciary.

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Speaker 4: They are a better way of seeing them would be

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Speaker 4: a civil servants. Nonetheless, they have in many cases, I guess,

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Speaker 4: worked to bring the trappings and the procedures of due

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Speaker 4: process to the immigration world. Right, Like in many cases

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Speaker 4: they have you know, they're not just rubber stamping deportation orders.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: People do have a chance to make their case in

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Speaker 4: front of immigration judges. And even in Trump two point o.

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Speaker 4: People are still getting asylum in the United States. The

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Speaker 4: courts right now are extremely backed up. Right, people are

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Speaker 4: getting here in decks in twenty twenty eight. As we

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Speaker 4: heard earlier this week, some courts I read that one

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Speaker 4: court is now running at twenty five percent of its capacity,

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Speaker 4: Like it's supposed to have twenty one judges and it

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Speaker 4: has five. Yep, so this means that people will be

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Speaker 4: in detention for longer. I mean that's like kind of intentional, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: h well, one could make that case. Very Yeah. The

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Speaker 4: DOJ has reduced requirements for staffing these positions, and the

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Speaker 4: Trump administration has authorized about six hundred jags to military

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Speaker 4: lawyers to take on the role. I don't think they're

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Speaker 4: going to get the rubber stamp on deportations from those

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Speaker 4: people that they expect to get. It depends on it

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Speaker 4: if they sort of hand pick those jags or they

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Speaker 4: just got a bunch of people from the National Guard.

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Speaker 4: But sure, I don't think that that's going to be

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Speaker 4: the just like straight up deportation factory that some people

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Speaker 4: might assume it to be. But nonetheless, right now what

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Speaker 4: we have is five hundred and eighty judges, tens of

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Speaker 4: thousands of people in detention, and detention numbers and detention

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Speaker 4: over crowding growing every single day, so that is not good.

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Speaker 4: Detention facilities are terrible at the best of times, and

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Speaker 4: conditions are pretty awful for I think I've heard right

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Speaker 4: now talking of things that are pretty awful. Here are

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Speaker 4: some products and services.

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Speaker 1: We're back and uh, next, I think we're talking about tariffs.

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Speaker 1: Wait a second, do y'all hear that music?

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Speaker 5: Sorry?

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Speaker 4: Jazz?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 8: Z right?

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Speaker 4: Jazz? Wow. We haven't had the song for a while.

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Speaker 4: That was nice, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That was good.

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Speaker 5: That was good, just like old times.

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Speaker 1: Bring it back, just like old times.

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Speaker 4: Several months ago, Garrison has a stir alarm clock, do

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Speaker 4: you Garrison?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, good. I think that would be that would

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Speaker 1: be too much. That would be too much. I would

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Speaker 1: I would need we would need to interview.

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Speaker 4: Listen if you're listening and you do stop it all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Mia? How our tariffs be?

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Speaker 4: Do so?

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Speaker 6: We have some tariff news. One is that we have

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Speaker 6: a Supreme Court date for the case over whether a

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Speaker 6: whole bunch of the tariffs are going to be allowed

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Speaker 6: to continue or not. That is going to be on

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Speaker 6: November fifth. We also have something no movement, which I

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Speaker 6: think is pretty interesting. So when last we spoke of tariffs,

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Speaker 6: we mentioned that there were two countries that had gotten

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Speaker 6: political tariffs on them, Brazil for arresting Volsonnaro and prosecuting

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Speaker 6: him and India for buying oil from Russia. And there

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Speaker 6: was a lot of speculation that these would be fairly

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Speaker 6: quickly resolved. They have not been. They are both still

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Speaker 6: into effect. This is having massive consequences on a whole

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Speaker 6: bunch of stuff. And the place that I want to

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Speaker 6: focus on with this is US agriculture, because we have

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Speaker 6: been seeing some extremely alarming things out of the American

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Speaker 6: agricultural sector that has really not broken out of like

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Speaker 6: Midwest agriculture circles very much.

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 6: One of the major consequences of in some sense also

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Speaker 6: the tariffs on Brazilia. One of the major consequences of

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Speaker 6: the US tariffs on China is that, like China did

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Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen, China has simply refused to buy any

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Speaker 6: American soybeans. The US grows for export fifty two million

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Speaker 6: tons of soy every year, and more than half of

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Speaker 6: that is sold to China.

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Speaker 1: And again if you're conspiratorial and belief that, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: the soy, the soy is ruining people. You shouldn't support this,

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Speaker 1: well no.

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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no, no, you should.

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Speaker 4: You should.

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Speaker 6: You should be opposed to this because you should be

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Speaker 6: wanting to export soy to China so that you can

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Speaker 6: you can make the Chinese woken soy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was saying.

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Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah, there do yeah, yeah, yeah, you should.

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Speaker 1: Support the export of soy to China. We're getting it

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Speaker 1: out of the US and to our greatest feel political enemy.

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Speaker 6: The other people who support the export of soy to

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Speaker 6: try to are American farmers. So god, I guess this

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Speaker 6: is like, this is like the farming thing that I

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Speaker 6: say on this show. I did technically there was technically

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Speaker 6: a farm behind my house growing up. This is something

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Speaker 6: that's very common in mid Western agriculture, is a soybean

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Speaker 6: corn rotation. Doing a soybeing corn rotation is good for

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Speaker 6: the soil, So it's very very common in American agriculture.

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Speaker 4: Should you can fix nitrogen and soil with legumes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but in order to do this you have to

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Speaker 6: be able to sell the soybeans. And when this happened,

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Speaker 6: in twenty eighteen. This was kind of kind of behind

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Speaker 6: the scenes, so that there was a whole big trades

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Speaker 6: down off in twenty eighteen. And one of the things

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Speaker 6: that played a big role in ending it was the

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Speaker 6: fact they trying to just didn't buy soybeans from the

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Speaker 6: US for a year and it really really really messed

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Speaker 6: with the American agricultural market. I'm going to read an

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Speaker 6: account from the Progressive Farmer. This is a quote from Mackay.

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Speaker 6: For most soybean farmers in North Dakota, you're looking at

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Speaker 6: about one hundred to one hundred and fifty dollars loss

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Speaker 6: per acre on every acre of soybeans planted. Grackle said

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Speaker 6: on his own farm, he expects losses to top four

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Speaker 6: hundred thousand dollars this year. Grackle said the losses are

666
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Speaker 6: not just tied to individual farmers. It's the small businesses.

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Speaker 6: Local grocery stores, hardware stores, are local schools or financial institutions.

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Speaker 6: They're all feeling the hurt from this. Yeah, So what's

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Speaker 6: happening right now is that there is a bunch of

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Speaker 6: soybeans that are being that are just sitting there. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: you know, like no one wants to buy them. And

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Speaker 6: I've seen a few things talking about like, Okay, they're

673
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Speaker 6: you know, there's processing plant opening up. We can turn

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Speaker 6: them into soybean oil and use like in the US

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Speaker 6: and do that. But like, this is becoming a really

676
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Speaker 6: serious logistical problem because the thing about corn and soybeans

677
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Speaker 6: is that it's not like you store them in different things, right,

678
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Speaker 6: because if you're a farmer, you're growing both of them.

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Speaker 6: The sort of storage hubs that they use are the

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Speaker 6: same ones. And the problem is that there are basically

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Speaker 6: stockpiles building up of these soybeans that can't be sold,

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Speaker 6: and this is becoming an increasing problem because there's the

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Speaker 6: corn harvest and you have to put the corn somewhere.

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Speaker 6: It's a good example of the kind of middle miniature

685
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Speaker 6: logistical nightmares that are cropping up all up and down

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Speaker 6: the supply chains as these tariffs sort of continue to

687
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Speaker 6: roll in, and as the instability of them get he

688
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 6: needs to roll in that you and I aren't seen yet,

689
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Speaker 6: or we haven't seen much of the effectives other than

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Speaker 6: some small price increases, but down the supply chain there

691
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Speaker 6: are increasing parts of the population who are just dealing

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Speaker 6: with these just horrific logistical nightmares. This is going to

693
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Speaker 6: be We're going to see the acceleration of this with

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Speaker 6: a deminimous exemption being eliminated, and in the meantime, China

695
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Speaker 6: is just basically going to the country that the US

696
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Speaker 6: lap fifty percent tariffs on. They're going to Brazil and

697
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 6: attempting to basically supply their entire soybean demanded largely from Brazil,

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Speaker 6: which is like the other major soybean exporter. So this

699
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Speaker 6: is also very important politically because the American farming sector

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Speaker 6: is very, very powerful. There have been some bailouts already,

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Speaker 6: but they're not going to be able to sustain the

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Speaker 6: American farming sector, especially if this goes on for more

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Speaker 6: than one year. Only there was only one year in

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Speaker 6: twenty eighteen when they didn't buy and it was at fiasco.

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Speaker 6: If this goes on for an extended period of time,

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Speaker 6: it is going to cause significantly larger problems. Also, the

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Speaker 6: economy was doing a lot better in twenty eighteen than

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Speaker 6: it is right now. I mean, it's still kind of

709
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Speaker 6: a best, but yeah, so this this is going to

710
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Speaker 6: turn into an increasing sort of political thorn for Trump

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Speaker 6: among a bunch of people who are supposed to be

712
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Speaker 6: his base because people are very, very frustrated about this,

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Speaker 6: and it is getting very little press attention. This has

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Speaker 6: been the American farming tariff update question mark.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why would we want to hear about farming

717
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: tariff news when instead we can just keep the culture

718
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: war machine going to have everyone just gobsmacked over that instead,

719
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: Like that's the whole point of their political machine. It's

720
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: not that everything is a distraction from something else, right,

721
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Speaker 2: It's that if you keep everyone engaged with this with

722
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Speaker 2: like culture war nonsense, left wing terrorism, Charlie Kirk whatever,

723
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: like all of this stuff, no one's gonna care about

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Speaker 2: farming tariff news.

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Speaker 4: Even if you're a big liberal outlet, right, you put

726
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 4: it out there and like half your fucking audience is

727
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: going to be like lol, lamal they voted for Trump,

728
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 4: sucks for them, Like yeah yeah.

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Speaker 6: And the question effectively is are the people who previously

730
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Speaker 6: had been kept in line by woke bathroom anti dei

731
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 6: like trans women in sports stuff going to be able

732
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Speaker 6: to be kept in line when the soybeans are running

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Speaker 6: in the field.

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Speaker 5: And we will we will see, we shall see.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of some Charlie Kirk culture war, the Department

736
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Speaker 2: of Education has partnered with the America First Policy Institute

737
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Speaker 2: and Turning Point USA for a new civics program. This

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Speaker 2: is called the America two fifty Civics Education Coalition. They'll

739
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: work with over forty national and state organizations to quote

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00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: spearhead nationwide initiatives to engage students, educators, and communities and

741
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Speaker 2: conversations about liberty, citizenship, and America's enduring values unquote. Other

742
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Speaker 2: organizations a part of this coalition include Prager You, Moms

743
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Speaker 2: for Liberty, Alliance, Defending Freedom, Heritage Foundation, and the three

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Speaker 2: explicitly Christian lobbying Groups. Now all of these groups are

745
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Speaker 2: basically Christian lobbying groups, but three with like Christian or

746
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Speaker 2: religious names in the title of the organizations now partnering

747
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 2: directly with the state for this educational coalition. Let's play

748
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Speaker 2: video from the new website explaining the initiative.

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Speaker 8: Education was once a shining light guiding generations built on faith, heritage, patriotism,

750
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Speaker 8: but over the past sixty to seventy years that brilliance

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Speaker 8: has been dimmed. A great institution has been crumbled from.

752
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Speaker 5: Within, playing Civil Rights era.

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Speaker 8: Hatred for America, false revisionist history, and division from fundamental.

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Speaker 4: States.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's triggering phrase for me, critical race theory, gender

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Speaker 2: queer drag queens.

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Speaker 8: Now on the two hundred and fiftieth Linda mcmation, the

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Speaker 8: Department of Education, the America two fifty Civic Education Coalition,

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Speaker 8: and partners across America are reigniting that light, understanding and

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Speaker 8: returning education to the States where it belongs.

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Speaker 4: For this was bent your white kids.

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Speaker 8: That inspired the world, and under the leadership of President

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Speaker 8: Trump and Secretary McMahon.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, Oh my god, are

765
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Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me?

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Speaker 4: AI generated lighthouse.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, because.

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Speaker 5: We are Americans, the futures ares.

769
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Speaker 4: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the craziest things I've ever seen.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: So the framing of the video is that this lighthouse

773
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Speaker 2: has gone out and Linda McMahon emerges, polishes and fixes

774
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Speaker 2: the lighthouse, which now shines across the nation, igniting our

775
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: patriotic education.

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Speaker 4: To find a lighthouse in America. So they aied one.

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Speaker 2: With audio from w W Secretary Man, it's like the

778
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Speaker 2: most hyper reality American brain say that this is this

779
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: is like the here's a lead paint thing that we're

780
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: talking about, like talking about how a Marian education has

781
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: been like totally destroyed, and they're playing footage of like

782
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Speaker 2: civil rights era like protests and like leaders.

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Speaker 5: You can't parody this, nah no.

784
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Speaker 1: And it's all set to the to the soundtrack and

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Speaker 1: edited in the manner of like a big budget Hollywood

786
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Speaker 1: ayluster from fifteen years ago. Yeah yeah, yeah, which I

787
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: guess you know, fucking conservative Christians are always but fifteen

788
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: years yeah, and their culture shit like so that scans

789
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Speaker 1: but yeah, like it, this is like it sounds like

790
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: a fucking uh uh who's the guy who did independence stake?

791
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Speaker 1: God damn it, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: I don't know shit about popular culture, but yeah, we

793
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 4: should just know that seventy years ago education was segregated

794
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: in this country. Oh yeah, that's race they want, which

795
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: is ye yes, I just want to I just want

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Speaker 4: to just sort of drop that nugget.

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Speaker 2: And I've listened in person to Charlie Kirk argue that

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Speaker 2: we should repeal the Civil Rights Act, like that's what

799
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Speaker 2: these people want.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I just want to join the dots for

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Speaker 4: folks who haven't and history as an heerenty revisionist, that's

802
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: what we do. We don't just like, go to God.

803
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Speaker 4: We've done it all now, we've worked it all out.

804
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 4: No need for any more historians. That's said that, that's

805
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Speaker 4: not how history works.

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Speaker 2: The chief education officer of Turning Point Education. This is

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Speaker 2: his real name, doctor hutts H Hertzburg, Triple H said

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00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: that quote that.

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Speaker 4: Was also wwe character Is it the same guy?

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Speaker 2: No, this is a this is a Christian educator. Oh okay,

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Speaker 2: he says, quote, Turning Point USA is more resolved than

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Speaker 2: ever to advance God centered, virtuous education for students flourishing

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Speaker 2: across our nation. With that in mind, we are honored

814
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Speaker 2: to partner with the distinguished organizations that comprise the America

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Speaker 2: two fifty Civics Education Coalition to restore, revive, and reclaim

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Speaker 2: robust American Civics education for all students throughout our country.

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Speaker 5: Unquote.

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Speaker 2: Earlier today is Wednesday, the state of Oklahoma has announced

819
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Speaker 2: that they will be establishing TPUSA chapters in every high

820
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Speaker 2: school across the state. Oh great, here's the Superintendent Ryan

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Speaker 2: Waters of Oklahoma.

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to do announce today that every Oklahoma high

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Speaker 3: school will have a Turning Point USA chapter. We have

824
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Speaker 3: seen the outpouring from parents, teachers, and students that want

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Speaker 3: to be engaged in a meaningful work going on a

826
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Speaker 3: Turning Point. They want their young people to be engaged

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Speaker 3: in a process that understands free speech, open engagement, dialogue

828
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Speaker 3: about American greatness, a dialogue around American values. We're so

829
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Speaker 3: excited to partner with Turning Point USA with this initiative.

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Speaker 3: For far too long, we have seen radical leftists with

831
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Speaker 3: the teachers' union dominate classrooms and push woken doctrination on

832
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Speaker 3: our kids. They fight parents' rights, they push parents out

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Speaker 3: of the classroom, and they lie to our kids about

834
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Speaker 3: American history. What we're going to continue to do is

835
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Speaker 3: make sure that our kids understand American greatness, engage in

836
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Speaker 3: civic dialogue, and have that open discussion. We will continue

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Speaker 3: to do all that we can sure OCLUMA students have

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Speaker 3: the best education plots.

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Speaker 2: Part of this announcement, he's written on Twitter quote radical

840
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: leftist teachers unions have dominated classrooms for far too long,

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Speaker 2: and we are taking them back. I think, Robert, we

842
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: talked with this guy last year.

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Speaker 5: At the rn C.

844
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Speaker 1: YEP, Yeah, we should.

845
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Speaker 5: We might do something with that interview.

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Speaker 1: At some point I wish he'd got he'd been out

847
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Speaker 1: of a job by now, but life life, huh.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I want to discuss today is quote

849
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 2: unquote transgender terrorism, something I've seen many friends and posters

850
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: across the Internet be really really concerned about for you know,

851
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 2: a lot of good reasons. Ken Kleppenstein has released a

852
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 2: few articles the past few days. First to one from

853
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Speaker 2: last week, quote the FBI ready's new war on trans people.

854
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 2: The FBI is preparing to label transgender people as violent

855
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Speaker 2: extremists in the wake of Charlie Kirk's murder as how

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00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 2: can frame that on the headline and for his tweet

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Speaker 2: alongside the article. Other outlets like them dot us has

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Speaker 2: spread this reporting even further Quote FBI to categorize trans

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Speaker 2: people as nihilistic, violent extremist. Threat Group report says the

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Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Investigation is reportedly preparing to categorize transgender

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Speaker 2: people as violent extremists. This framing is incorrect, and I

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Speaker 2: will explain why in great detail. Shortly, the Federal Bureau

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Speaker 2: of Investigation is not getting ready to categorize transgender people

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Speaker 2: as like a category, as like a class of people,

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Speaker 2: as violent extremists. There is no evidence that this is

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Speaker 2: currently what they're doing. There's no internal communications arguing this.

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Speaker 2: Even the Heritage Foundation's proposal to create a new category

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Speaker 2: of trans terrorism is not arguing this, as I will

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Speaker 2: quote from here shortly. But let's get into what the

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Speaker 2: first article from Clippenstein actually wrote, based on a source

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Speaker 2: inside the government quote. The senior official explains that they're

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Speaker 2: there is no process per se for dealing with trans

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00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: people as a quote unquote threat group, but feels that

874
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Speaker 2: trans individuals will be increasingly targeted under the banner of

875
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Speaker 2: violent extremism. Under the plant being discussed, the FBI would

876
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Speaker 2: treat transgender subjects as a subset of the bureau's new

877
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: threat category, nihilistic violent extremists unquote. We've talked about nihilistic

878
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 2: violent extremists on this show before, back in spring, and

879
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: we all know that the Trump administration has been targeting

880
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: trans people like this is something that everyone who listens

881
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: to this show is aware of. This is this is

882
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 2: a real thing, But there is not actually any new

883
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: verifiable information in this report. There's rhetoric from people like

884
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior and right wing influencers talking about transgender

885
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 2: terrorists and this trend of transgender terrorists as they have

886
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: been for the past two years. Me and Mia did

887
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: that piece about fake trans terrorists, like almost two years ago.

888
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: That was two years ago to we We've been tracking

889
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 2: this rhetoric for a long time, So stuff like that

890
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 2: fills up a lot of the space in articles like this,

891
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 2: but new verifiable information is actually quite short. In this article,

892
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 2: Ken has a single unnamed official who quote unquote feels

893
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: like trans people could be labeled nihilistic violent extremists. Now,

894
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 2: in Ken's previous reporting about this label, he misunderstood the

895
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 2: ENV label. This label exists just essentially for seven to

896
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: sixty four. The child this exploitation group that operates from

897
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 2: the discord and Telegram and branch off groups from that.

898
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 2: We've talked about them on the show be here before

899
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: as well. And the nihilist of violent extremism term predates

900
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: the Trump administration. This isn't a cash betel thing. This

901
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: this predates the Trump admin. This was active last year,

902
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 2: and it primarily is to categorize and map these child's

903
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: exploitation rings and some overlapping communities like the school shooter fandom.

904
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: But in Ken's article here, there's no like leaked documents

905
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 2: in this report showing like current memos or communications on

906
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: this topic. Ken's great for leaks, but there's there's not

907
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 2: leaked documents in this report.

908
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 5: Now.

909
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,319
Speaker 2: As we all know and we've reported, the right wing

910
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,280
Speaker 2: hate campaign against trans people is a real thing. It's

911
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: coming from the Trump administration, from state level government, as

912
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: well as the entire conservative media apparatus. But I think

913
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: right now especially, it's really important to read reports like

914
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 2: this very carefully. Trans fear mongering massively boosts social media engagement,

915
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: which then can encourage people to use framing like this

916
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: that might actually kind of be irresponsible. Now, a few

917
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: hours before Pilplstein published this first article, the Heritage Foundation

918
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 2: and their Oversight Project released a petition to have the

919
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Speaker 2: FBI designate a new category of violent extremism, which they

920
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 2: call trans ideology inspired violent extremism or TIV.

921
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 5: Quote.

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Speaker 2: TIV is based on the belief that violence is justified

923
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Speaker 2: against those who do not share radical views of transgender ideology.

924
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 2: It has led to an increasing trend of TIV domestic

925
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: terrorist events across the country in recent years. TIV has

926
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Speaker 2: played a role in the majority of mass shootings at schools,

927
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Speaker 2: that is the Heritage Foundation's claim. The petition includes a

928
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Speaker 2: list of quote unquote TIV motivated attacks, including multiple attackers

929
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: who either were not trans or were clearly not motivated

930
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: by trans ideology, as reporting at the time and government

931
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 2: documents have shown, including acts from the past like six

932
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: or seven years. But Heritage Rights that quote experts estimate

933
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: no citation that fifty percent of non gang related school

934
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Speaker 2: shootings since twenty fifteen have quote involved or likely involve

935
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Speaker 2: trans ideology unquote fifty percent.

936
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Speaker 5: Have involved or likely involved.

937
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 2: Yet in this list they can only list three school shootings.

938
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Speaker 2: They can only list three, even their own list, which

939
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Speaker 2: they say fifty percent likely involve trans ideology.

940
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Speaker 5: There's been more than three school shootings this year.

941
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Speaker 2: This month, there's been more three school shootings not involving

942
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Speaker 2: trans people this year. This this is a wild, wildly

943
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 2: atrocious is sad?

944
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just fabricated right, like.

945
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: And again, like reality doesn't matter, Like that's that's the point, Like.

946
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 2: No, this is the Heritage Foundation, Like come on, yeah, yeah.

947
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 2: But importantly, like a violent extremism designation would not mean

948
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Speaker 2: that all trans people as a class are deemed violent extremists.

949
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: What it would do is it would create a category

950
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: to use for investigations into violent acts graph patterns of violence,

951
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 2: argue in court documents, and possibly include some preemptive surveillance

952
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: on people or groups that are deemed as threats as

953
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: a part of this strut group. But in the petition,

954
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 2: Heritage says that no, not all transgender individuals or their

955
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: allies are domestic terrorists.

956
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 5: Quote. They are even free to engage it in offensive

957
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 5: and hateful speech under the first men, so long as

958
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 5: they do not stray into unlawful incitement, defamation, true threat, obscenity,

959
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: or some other category of non protected speech. The domestic

960
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 5: terror destination becomes relevant only when individuals or groups one

961
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 5: are motivated by an ideology that encourages, promotes, or condones violence,

962
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 5: and two take or incite unlawful violent action or threats

963
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 5: based on that ideology. Both criteria must be met.

964
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: Unquote. That's from the Heritage's own petition. It's not There's

965
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: nothing in Heritage's own petition or Ken's article that says

966
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: that trans people entirely are going to be deemed terrorists

967
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: or a domestic like extremist threat group. That's not what

968
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: either Heritage or what the actual details of articles like

969
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: Ken's is saying. And to further kind of show this divide.

970
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 2: The Heritage petition also addresses the nihilist violent extremism label

971
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 2: as a completely separate thing, unrelated trans people that they

972
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 2: do not want combined into one single category. I don't

973
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: know why Ken keeps pushing on this label so much.

974
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: It's really important to understand how trans people are actually

975
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: under threat right now, because they are right. The biggest

976
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: threats to transpaople right now are access to healthcare, specifically

977
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 2: for people who are under the age of eighteen, and

978
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,240
Speaker 2: things like bathroom bands and trying to restrict transmitter people

979
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 2: from public life. But the other biggest threat to transpeople

980
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: right now is like ourselves, and we don't need to

981
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: do the government's work for them to keep us so demoralized.

982
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 2: Spreading misinformation or unverified reports like this that just makes

983
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: everyone panicked and freak out actually harms us and our community.

984
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 2: The trans panic industrial complex is dangerous and people need

985
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 2: to be very careful about this because it's an extremely

986
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: dangerous time and having an accurate assessment over what's going

987
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: on is going to be crucial to survive the next

988
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: few months to years.

989
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: No and again, we've seen this on the right and

990
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: this has played a role in radicalizing a lot of

991
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: people on the right and getting them to do fucked

992
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: up shit. Is years of like they're coming for you,

993
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: They're coming for you. They're going to be coming for

994
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: you tonight, right like you're already dead. You know, there's

995
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: money in pushing and there's clout in pushing hopelessness. Yeah,

996
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: And I don't want to be telling people everything's good,

997
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: because it's not. That things are very dangerous for trans

998
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: people right now in a way they have not been

999
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: at any point previously in very recent history. Things are

1000
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: much worse. Right, nobody's denying that, but you have to

1001
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: look at like the facts of how they're worse, as

1002
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:38,759
Speaker 1: opposed to not reading an article or analyzing what the

1003
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: article actually says, or analyzing what the Heritage Foundation says

1004
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 1: and saying they've they're declaring all of us terrorists, right,

1005
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,879
Speaker 1: because that's not going to end.

1006
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 6: Well, No, don't panic, organize. That's the actual solution to this.

1007
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 6: I also want to briefly note on I've seen a

1008
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 6: lot of comparisons of this to the Black identity extremism designation,

1009
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 6: and I want to bring this back to something that

1010
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 6: Garrison mentioned earlier about the way that the nihilis extremism

1011
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 6: category was like specifically designed to target like a specific

1012
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 6: sort of complex network of.

1013
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, pedophile discord servers.

1014
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the same methodology that was used for

1015
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 6: black identity extremism. Black identity extremism wasn't a category they

1016
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 6: conjured out of nowhere to go after all black people.

1017
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 6: It was a category that was specifically designed to go

1018
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 6: after specific activists in the wake of Occupy and the

1019
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 6: wake of Ferguson. Yeah, and this is completely just not

1020
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 6: the process that is happening for this, right, Like, we're

1021
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 6: not dealing with Okay, there is a specific group of

1022
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,760
Speaker 6: transactivists that the government wants to target, so they're creating

1023
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 6: a label for it, right, We don't have any evidence

1024
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 6: of that at all. What we have is anonymous sources

1025
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 6: saying they feel like something might happen.

1026
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 2: That trans people could be targeted, And you're like, yeah,

1027
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: trans people have been targeted, like that, that's what's happening. Yeah,

1028
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 2: Are they going to be labeled denialist of violand streamists

1029
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: at this point?

1030
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 5: Unlikely?

1031
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 2: Could the FBI consider adopting something like the Heritage proposal

1032
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: for FORTIV, Yeah, possibly, Yeah, that is that is absolutely

1033
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 2: a possibility. Would that come into reality the same way

1034
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: that people are talking about it online or the way

1035
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 2: that headlines are framing it. No, it's not about designating

1036
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: all trans people as terrorists as a class.

1037
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 6: It's not about that. And it also wouldn't function like

1038
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 6: the black identity extreamist thing, because again, that was like

1039
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 6: they already had people they were going after and they

1040
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 6: wanted a legal category that they could deploy in order

1041
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 6: to go after them. That's not what's happening here. They

1042
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 6: don't have like a list of like trans discord servers

1043
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 6: that they're about to round up for like doing a protest, Like,

1044
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 6: that's not what's happening here.

1045
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 2: No, But they could go after people who are make

1046
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 2: threats online, and that's something that I'm sure Cashtel's fbiyah

1047
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 2: would love to do. And if they can sort those

1048
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 2: people into a category like tive to argue in a

1049
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 2: prosecution or to or to make like a float chart

1050
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 2: to direct investigations, then that's the realm they're gonna use.

1051
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, but even that, we are so far away from

1052
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 6: them even like starting that process that you should be

1053
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 6: concerned about the actual threats from Like I don't know

1054
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 6: I mean just like literally there's there's been a series

1055
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 6: of attacks on trans people, just like in neighborhoods in

1056
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,440
Speaker 6: Seattle by just like gangs of dudes. Right, That's like

1057
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 6: an actual substantive thing that is happening that is not this,

1058
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 6: that is not some sort of nebulous like we are

1059
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 6: relying on opinions of unnamed officials. We can look at

1060
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 6: and evaluate and figure out what we're going to do

1061
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 6: about it instead of just giving into the panic industrial

1062
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 6: complex and panicking about it.

1063
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, things that are frame bombastically like this go super

1064
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 2: viral and they spread a lot, and that's what the

1065
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: algorithms are encouraging. I mean, same thing with the algorithmic

1066
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: boosting of you know, false flight conspiracy theories, because those

1067
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: are so much more satis find they spread like wildfire

1068
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: across blue sky and Twitter and like even things like

1069
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 2: Instagram stories. And just be very careful about anything that

1070
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 2: goes viral because that claim is trying to influence your brain.

1071
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: It's trying to worm its way into your brain to

1072
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: take the form as a thought that you had yourself.

1073
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 2: And be super careful because this type of weaponize on

1074
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: reality has been used so successfully the past ten years

1075
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: against the right. This is how the whole like you know,

1076
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: migrant panic wave started lies about immigration.

1077
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 5: This like panicked framing.

1078
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 2: These things spread like wildfire online and now you have

1079
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: large swaths of the country believing in this genuine like

1080
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 2: like you know, migrant crisis. And this is how social

1081
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 2: media functions to influence how your brain thinks and how

1082
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 2: your brain process is fact from fiction and forms like

1083
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: a collective sense of reality. And you are also being

1084
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 2: targeted by this same process in different ways than the

1085
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,919
Speaker 2: right is, but this process is still targeting you as well.

1086
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: And it's like super important to like read things critically

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Speaker 2: and take time before jumping to conclusions because I don't

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Speaker 2: think we need more quick, emotionally satisfying conspiracy theories in

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Speaker 2: our life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Anyway, that's the news this week.

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Speaker 5: We sure did report it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the news this week.

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Speaker 4: We reported the head out of media go away. We

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Speaker 4: reported the.

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Speaker 7: We can now find sources where it could happen here

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