1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Well the stuff I ever told you production of iHeartRadio, 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: and today we are continuing our streak of talking about 4 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: all things fandom. We didn't really plan it to be 5 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: this way, no, but it turned out to be this way. 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 3: We were in sync. 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: We are in sync. 8 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: This is also when I always go to dragon Con 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: every year. You can see our recent happy hour we 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: just did on that about what I think is going 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,959 Speaker 2: to happen, and then soon you'll you can hear our 12 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: post happy hour about what happens. I also forgot to 13 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 2: mention in that pre happy hour that I got my 14 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 2: haircut and I do it every year for dragon Con. 15 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna compliment you. 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: And when I walked in because I only go once 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: a year right before dragon Con, she was like, it's you. 18 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: She said she was gonna start like researching into how 20 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: to do because I showed her what other cosplayers do 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: for Luke Skywalker and she was like, oh, I'm gonna 22 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: look into this, Okay, I love it. Yes, yes, So 23 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: I was telling Samantha, I actually wrote this outline a 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: long time ago, and I am going to keep it 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 2: short because it's really long. But I'm just gonna hit 26 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,639 Speaker 2: kind of the main points because I was really feeling 27 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 2: a lot of emotions when I wrote this. But today 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 2: we are talking about another reason I need toxic fandom 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: to go away, and this is so I can complain 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: about how much I didn't like the alc Lide. 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: So you did watch it, and oh no, this I did. 32 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: And I I really didn't like it. 33 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: That's gonna get nicely. You should see how many like 34 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 2: full caps things are in this outline, yes, And you know, 35 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 2: to be honest, I was pretty sure I wasn't gonna 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: like it when I read what it was about, because 37 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: it just had so many things that. 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, I really don't. That's like one of my. 39 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: Least favorite types of relationships. It's kind of the good 40 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: girl bad boy thing. 41 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: I hate that, and so it was it was already 42 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a stretch. 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: And then I was like, yes, okay, completely, I cannot stand. 44 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: This, and I even did. 45 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 2: I wrote a twenty three page I say about why 46 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: I don't like it, and I researched it. 47 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: I did interviews. 48 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: I was so determined to make interview I interviewed people 49 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: because I was so scared. I had drank some kind 50 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 2: of Star Wars nostalgia like kool aid, and was just like, 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 2: I didn't want to become that person, you know, and 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 2: so I really like I wanted to back up my flight. 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 2: But that's not what I'm here to talk about today. 54 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 2: That's why I'm going to try to trim down this 55 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: very long outline because I am sorry people who did 56 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: like it. I know how painful it is when something 57 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 2: you enjoy gets canceled and it is still going in 58 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 2: the comics, and I know for some people that's like 59 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 2: not the same, But I have to tell you there's 60 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: a lot of the comics that are better than I 61 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 2: what I think you're seeing on Disney. Plus that's my opinion, 62 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 2: so I yeah, that's not really what I'm here to 63 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: talk about. I also want to say, obviously, what happened 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 2: when it came to the racist, misogynistic, homophobic backlash was 65 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: disgusting and I don't want to be any part of that. 66 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 2: And that's the issue here. That's what I want to 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: talk about. Because they're taking up all of the room, 68 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: they're so loud, and they're so they attack the creators 69 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: and the actors, they attack everybody involved, and it's gross 70 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: and I need it to go for many reasons, many 71 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 2: reasons we've talked about on here before, but this is 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: just another one. 73 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: This is another one. 74 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: Because I've talked before about how there's some things specifically 75 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 2: in the Star Wars realm that I've defended that I 76 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 2: actually didn't like, but I appreciate. I want to defend 77 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: them from this wave of hatred, which, as we've also 78 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: discussed a lot of it is run by bots. 79 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: So they're not only taking up all of the room, 80 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: all the air in the room, they're like using bots 81 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: to help do it. 82 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: So it's complicated too, and that something very strange happened 83 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:50,480 Speaker 2: in this case because there was that contingent, and then 84 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 2: there was just a bunch of us that legitimately didn't. 85 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: Like it, but we didn't feel like we could. 86 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: We didn't want to add on, we didn't want any 87 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: be associated with them. 88 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: It was a mess. It was a mess. It still 89 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: is a mess. 90 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: And I'm so sorry to everyone involves because that was 91 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 2: really awful. And it was one of the first times 92 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 2: that Disney actually posted something about it, and it was 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: still not enough, and the actors were like, that's not enough. 94 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: But it was like one of the first times they 95 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: actually did that. 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 1: But I just. 97 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: I wish that we could have a nice civil discussion 98 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: about these things and it doesn't have to be so big, 99 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 2: Like I have these really strong emotions about it, but 100 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: I would never I'm not gonna post about it. I'm 101 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 2: not gonna do anything hateful about it. But also I 102 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: get it's not for me, and that's okay. I do want, 103 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: like I was excited in terms of it had a 104 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 2: woman as a showrunner, had a very diverse cast. That 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: was exciting. I want more of that. So I want 106 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: I want things like that to get the space. Because 107 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: the thing is also like, maybe if they had gotten 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 2: a second season, maybe I would have liked the second season. 109 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: It's hard for me to say I would, but maybe 110 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 2: I would have, Like I can't say for sure. And 111 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: there have been a lot of instances in the Star 112 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: Wars world where people didn't like things at first and 113 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: then they came like I mean, look at the prequels 114 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: right now, they're having a renaissance. I can't even wrap 115 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: my mind around it. But that people didn't like them 116 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: at the time, trust me, I don't know, but I 117 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 2: wish like I because I was so concerned anytime it 118 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: came up, I didn't want to be associated with this backlash, 119 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: so I would just be like and that's really I 120 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,840 Speaker 2: wish it wasn't like that, because I think things can 121 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: get better through having those conversations. And you know, we've 122 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 2: talked about like stands and anti anti stands antis before, 123 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 2: and I worry that in a lot of these spaces 124 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: were going so strong that we're kind of erasing the 125 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: middle ground, or even like people who really love something 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: but have you know, a minor complaint and they're like, ah, 127 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: you made it, get out of here. So I just 128 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 2: wish we could have a space. And in this case, 129 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: as discussed, this is often online. I personally suspect a 130 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: lot of people don't feel at least how it's the 131 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: portrayed online. I don't think there's as many people who 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: feel that way, but it's still that still impacts you 133 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: if you see it, if you want to participate in 134 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: those Spanish spaces and you're getting all of this, I 135 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: mean hate or backlash yourself just for saying something. I 136 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: mean I've mentioned before last was too my favorite game. 137 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: There's a long time where I wouldn't say that unless 138 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: I was pretty sure that the person wasn't going to 139 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: go off about it, and I was even reading I'm 140 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: gonna have to do a whole episode on this. But 141 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 2: I was reading the guidelines updated fan fiction guidelines for 142 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: A three because I was pretty sure I'd run into 143 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 2: some activity that is. 144 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: Not allowed on AO three. It wasn't bad. 145 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: It was basically somebody was trying to sell me their art, 146 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm pretty sure this is not allowed. 147 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 1: So I was reading through all the guidelines and the 148 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: way I hadn't done earlier. 149 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: And it was interesting because it was talking about the 150 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: ways that people will attack each other, usually over shipping, 151 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: of like if you hate a ship someone does, or 152 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: somebody hates a ship that you love, and the ways 153 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: that that can really really devolve into something unpleasant for everybody. 154 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: And so this is just a case of where I'm 155 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 2: usually somebody who airs on the side of It's rare 156 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: that I dislike something as much as I disliked this. 157 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm usually much more you know what, I don't need 158 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: to think about this, But this impacted the phantom so much. 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: It impacted my fan fiction so much. 160 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: Oh oh really, oh yeah yeah that and AI really hmm. 161 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 4: But usually I'm much more Okay, I'm going to move 162 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 4: on from that, right, So this is a pretty rare 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: case for me. But it was an instance where I 164 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 4: was like, I don't I want to complain about this, 165 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 4: but I also don't want to be a part of 166 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 4: all of this fools that's happening, So I'm just not 167 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 4: going to And so it was kind of a new 168 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 4: experience for me, to be honest, and I didn't I 169 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: don't know. I had a lot of thoughts about it, 170 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,359 Speaker 4: and I wrote a lot about. 171 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 2: It, but I mean, I also just I would love 172 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: of a healthier environment where creators and actors weren't attacked 173 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: if you didn't like a thing, I would love that. 174 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: That would be great. 175 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 2: But yes, so those are the thoughts I shall give 176 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 2: you from this very long Outye. 177 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 3: There's definitely conversations in the fight, but it is disappointing 178 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: because it was has so much diversity and kind of 179 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 3: like the Eternals, I don't different, but in that way 180 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 3: of like did they get set up to fail? The timing, 181 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 3: the way they did it, the way they presented it, 182 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 3: the way they edited it, Like what did they do? 183 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: Was it a purposeful? See? We tried y'all didn't like it. 184 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 3: You want white people only, type of heteronormative types of things, 185 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: however it needs to be. I've never seen the show, y'all, 186 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 3: but like, I love Manny justinto I love what he 187 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 3: represents in the Asian community as well as in general, 188 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: just like a good guy seemingly like the way he 189 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 3: loves his wife, the way he promotes women, like way 190 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 3: it seems like he's a really cool dude that he's 191 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 3: been working in this industry for so long and it 192 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 3: took a long time to get here, and then something 193 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 3: that like kind of a more serious role for him, 194 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: because you know, it came from like goofy background is 195 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 3: with like the good place, and then like because you're 196 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: not the only one. Many people were like, look, we 197 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 3: just did not like it. But we also think that 198 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: there may have been a lax in distribution back like 199 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 3: production writing all this because they did not care as 200 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: much as they're just filling a quota. Again, I don't 201 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: know that for sure, but that is like the question 202 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: mark because in a lot of this Disney series, that's 203 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 3: what it feels like. It's like they do subpar work 204 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: for things that seem what the right would be called woke, 205 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 3: which gets accused, you know, and that's a huge thing 206 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: in this industry, especially like superhero and fantasy series or 207 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 3: like movies that that has this weird line of who 208 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 3: they allowed to poke fun at what or commentate on what. 209 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: So I don't know, I wonder like too because like, again, 210 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 3: you're not the only one. Obviously, it did not go 211 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 3: do well. 212 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: It did not. 213 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 3: Like other than the shipping and the thirst traps that 214 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,199 Speaker 3: came through it, there's reels. 215 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: I've not heard too. 216 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 3: Any great things, and it's one of those I wish 217 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 3: I did. I would have been interested in seeing the succeed. 218 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: I think most people would be like it would have 219 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 3: meant a lot for that group of people, you. 220 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, oh absolutely, I say it like that 221 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: is because the storyline, I feel like. 222 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: Is that's that was tricky. 223 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: We've talked about this before because there's a difference between 224 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: like criticizing writing, because I have my fair amount of 225 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: criticisms of writing in the Star Wars Arena versus just 226 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,439 Speaker 2: hating on something as it's woke or you think it's woke, right, 227 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 2: And so that's what I want is I want more 228 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 2: space for that to exist. But also as we've discussed 229 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: with our recent some of our more recent takes on 230 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: superhero movies, is that a company like Disney's studio like 231 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 2: Disney will come in and they just have like usually 232 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: they have final edit privileges, they have all of these 233 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 2: things that can really mess up the flow of something 234 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 2: or the storytelling of something. And then a lot of 235 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: the conversation that came out after this, which is a 236 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 2: bit more complicated than what we can get into now, 237 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: is that Disney had to release, so did Netflix. But 238 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: basically like how many people watch something versus how much 239 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: it cost, and it was insanely expensive to make this show. 240 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: But that's been their problem for a long time. 241 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 2: Is their budgets just balloon and balloon and balloon. And 242 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: there were a lot of articles about you know, the 243 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: original trilogy. They were pretty cheap actually, and the scheme 244 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: of things, so like you need to maybe it would be. 245 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: A good idea to go back to the drawing board 246 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: and learn how. 247 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: To make something that isn't like two hundred million dollars 248 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: to eight hundred million dollars, right, and then it wouldn't 249 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: be such a big loss, like, oh, we have to 250 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: kindle this. 251 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I mean, the revamping of indie films is 252 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: coming back. People are kind of thirsty for something unique. 253 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, oh my goodness me, but I. 254 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 3: Showing your feelings with us. 255 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 2: But also the other thing is like, another part of 256 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: this is that and Or season two, from what I understand, 257 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: is more expensive than Act like was. But and Or 258 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: season two has more episodes, is longer, and notably it 259 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: was critically acclaimed, So the critical acclaim part does help. 260 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: But it was very expensive. I remember reading that. 261 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's I haven't watched it yet, 262 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 2: but I'm watching it before jigon Con. I am watching 263 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: it before. 264 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: Okay, got to get it done. I gotta get it done. 265 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: I gotta get it done. It's just like it's one 266 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: of the it's intense. It's intense because it's like the 267 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: Empire taking over. And I'm like, you know right now. 268 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: This is sort of a. 269 00:15:55,320 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, oh, and at least it's up into Rogue one, 270 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 2: which we all know is your favorite you like me 271 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 2: and lie to you. I just forgot that you didn't 272 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: know what I knew. I still feel bad about about that. 273 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 274 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, thanks for letting me have a semi minut 275 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: session about this. 276 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: There's a reason I let it sit for so yeah, okay, 277 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I need to step away from this room minute, take 278 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: a minute. Yes, I need to take a minute. 279 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: And yes, truly to anybody who did who enjoyed it, 280 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 2: I'm really sorry because that it does. 281 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: It sucks. 282 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 2: I've lost some shows I liked and it's it's miserable. 283 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: But that's when you go to the fan fiction in Yes, 284 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: but they are still writing. They are still writing comics, 285 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: so and I promise you those I never thought i'd 286 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: be like an avid Star Wars comic reader, but some 287 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 2: of them are really really good, so check them out. 288 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: If you're still hurting, I would. 289 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: Say, yeah, So all listeners, do you have any thoughts 290 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: about this? 291 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Please let us go. 292 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: You can email us at Hello at Stuff onllevertold you 293 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: dot com. You can find us on blue Sky at 294 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 2: mom Stuff podcast or Instagram and TikTok at stuff will 295 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 2: Never told you. 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