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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told your protection of iHeartRadio, and welcome to today's episode, which,

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Speaker 1: as you listeners always know, when it comes to guests

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Speaker 1: and people that I admire from AFAR, I get really

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Speaker 1: nervous and fangirly. And today's another one of those episodes

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Speaker 1: put that little warning at the top. But I'm actually

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Speaker 1: we are crossing over my TikTok world to the podcasting world.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love when I do these intersections,

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Speaker 1: don't you. Annie, I do, especially because I'm still not on.

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Speaker 1: You introduced me to Yes, and I have introduced you

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Speaker 1: to her videos, but I've been following her for a

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Speaker 1: while now and her content on social justice, the criminal system,

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Speaker 1: and her coverage of the revolution of Iran, and it's

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Speaker 1: the information we so need today. Alica, Yeah, so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you on. Thank you for having me. Can

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Speaker 1: you introduce yourself to our listeners? Yes, I am Elica Labon.

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Speaker 1: I am a criminal defense attorney, and I am an activist,

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Speaker 1: human rights anticostal state activist and more recently Iran revolution

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Speaker 1: activist and I live here in California in the United

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Speaker 1: States America. About that about sums me up. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: love your TikTok videos and I know we're going to

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Speaker 1: tell everyone at the end. I think it's pretty easy

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Speaker 1: to find you. You're on all the all the social

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Speaker 1: medias that you do a lot of an amazing coverage

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Speaker 1: of things that we don't know that's happening in Iran.

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Speaker 1: But you also do a lot of conversation about the

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Speaker 1: criminal justicism in the US and the lack of justice

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Speaker 1: rather that is happening in the US. And you do

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Speaker 1: such an amazing job in making sure that you are

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Speaker 1: not only giving us this information, but you do it

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Speaker 1: with heart and passion. And first of all, I have

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Speaker 1: to say thank you for doing that, because it's amazing

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Speaker 1: hard content. It is hard. It is very difficult content,

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Speaker 1: especially in you know, today's world. Everything is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't know what you can even say anymore, but

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Speaker 1: this stuff is like always in the forefront of like

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Speaker 1: the public conversation, you know. Yes, And with that you

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Speaker 1: also have some amazing clapback videos videos. Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: it's so funny when there's there's always that person that's like,

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Speaker 1: you're so much bigger than this, and it's like, but

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Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm just not. I love that you just

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Speaker 1: and you're like, uh, let's get this straight. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I love that. And that's the thing is that I

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Speaker 1: never go after people, but if you come into my

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Speaker 1: so eloquently it doesn't even feel like a clapback. So

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Speaker 1: thank you. This is where I get to the fan

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Speaker 1: girl and I'm like, oh my god, You're just amazing

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Speaker 1: and everything you do is amazing. So I needed that

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Speaker 1: today so well deserved. But yeah, we are so excited

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Speaker 1: to have you here, and we wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: several things that you have been covering recently, but first

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Speaker 1: kind of go to them. One of the more recent

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Speaker 1: posts that you've had, especially on TikTok, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it's crossed over where you kind of give everyone a

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Speaker 1: reality check about how long this revolution has been happening,

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Speaker 1: dating all the way back in the seventies. And we

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Speaker 1: why women's rights across the board became extremely restricted. No

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Speaker 1: there have been waves of this revolution. There was two

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Speaker 1: very first protest was on International Women's Day, March eighth,

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Speaker 1: But the women who have actually been there and have

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Speaker 1: specifically the role women are playing and what's happening right now? Well,

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Speaker 1: and what I want? Right? Because it's about freedom of choice.

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Speaker 1: become a hot topic. My opinion is that they have

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Speaker 1: two goals to achieve. One is that they don't want

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Speaker 1: to piss the world off so much that there's a backlash,

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00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 1: right But they want to send a message that if

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Speaker 1: you mess with us, they'll be consequences. So the best

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00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: way for them to do that is to avoid doing

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00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: something so inflammatory such as publicly hanging a woman, right,

434
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: which is that's going to get the world's of attention.

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00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: Like feminists, people who care about women's rights are going

436
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: to be like, oh my god, they're hanging women, you know.

437
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: So the women are raped and killed in secret or

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00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: in the streets right where it's not so such a

439
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,639
Speaker 1: public statement, but they still do the hanging of the

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00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: young men to send the message to the people inside

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00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 1: of you're on if you protest, this is what's going

442
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: to happen to you. And they hang them publicly from

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00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: a crane, so that that message is sense. It's not

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00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: done in secret or in private, it's so that they know.

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00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: So there is a gender apartheid the under the Islamic Republic,

446
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: but there's also a kind of mini gender apartheid in

447
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: the way that they treat them, in the way that

448
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 1: they molest them and torture them and kill them, you know, right.

449
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Speaker 1: And I guess one of the things we've been circling

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Speaker 1: around and want to really get to in this conversation

451
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Speaker 1: is about social media in the use of social media,

452
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Speaker 1: and we have been talking about it, but can you

453
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: talk about the difference social media can make in revolutions

454
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: or movements like these, and the impact of social media

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00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: on this one specifically. Yeah, So even though the Islamic

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00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: Republic is not held accountable to itself in its position

457
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: inside of Iran, it obviously has some degree of international accountability.

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00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: And so I guess it started in twenty twenty where

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00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: there were these three guys that were protesting the price

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Speaker 1: of gas and they were sentenced to death in Iran.

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00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: And I remember at that time the international community was

462
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: up in arms about it and everyone started talking about it,

463
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: everyone started posting about it. And then what happened is

464
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: that their sentences were commuted to life, and then people

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00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: kept talking about it even more, and then eventually it

466
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: was reduced again to five years, So they went from

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00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: having the death penalty to just I mean not just

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Speaker 1: five years, because five years and death in prison is

469
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: like a lifetime, but obviously a difference. So then when

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Speaker 1: this revolution came around, I had that in my mind.

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00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: I was like, what if we get the international community

472
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: to talk about these people, maybe there's a chance that

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Speaker 1: we could get them off death row. So the first

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Speaker 1: say their names to Save their Lives campaign I did

475
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: was for two girls who were on death row for

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Speaker 1: their LGBTQ status. So that was Zachar sent Itali, Hammadarni

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00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: and Lham Chubdar. So they were just these two young

478
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: women again just like on TikTok, living their lives and

479
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: they were arrested and sentenced to death for their LGBTQ status.

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Speaker 1: So I made this video and it got like two

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Speaker 1: million views on Instagram. It was like shared by everyone,

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00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: like even celebrities and people started sharing it, and then

483
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: I continue to do it on TikTok and these videos

484
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: were getting like millions of views and everyone at the

485
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: same time. Obviously I'm not just one person. Everyone worth

486
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: like campaigning for these people, Like the people whose names

487
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: were becoming known. People would like make videos and make

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00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: infographics and slides and like the names became prominent, and

489
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: then we started to notice that they were like being

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00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: released on bail, they were having their convictions overturned. And

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00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: so it's crazy because people think, like there's no way

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00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,479
Speaker 1: that you're talking about these people can do anything on

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00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: social media, and yet we've literally seen these people, you know,

494
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: we make them famous on social media and the Islamic

495
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Republic backtracks and they're like, hang on a minute, we

496
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: don't want the international uprising if we execute these people

497
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: who are literally they're so well known that their names

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00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: are even in the news, you know, And so they

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00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: just either overturned their death sentence or they let them go,

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00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: or they let them go on well they release them

501
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: temporarily pre trial. It's also interesting to see the effect

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00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: of social media for other governments try to get involved.

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00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I know, this whole conversation about sponsorships that happened unfortunately

504
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: in the US, but they're outside, Like social media has

505
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: really started to catch attention to governments outside of pressuring

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00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: hopefully countries to whether it sanction or to at least

507
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: speak against they're running and regime all those things that

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00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: it really seems to have a push on that level

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00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I mean, I think this was an

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00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: idea that was introduced in Sweden or was it Germany,

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Speaker 1: I can't remember. Where. You have these representatives that would

512
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 1: kind of like adopt or be a godparent to or

513
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: sponsor specific people that were on death row, and it

514
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: gave them something to it gave them a person to

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00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of protect, and someone they became. The person at

516
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 1: the Islamic Republic was going to have to be accountable too. So, hey,

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Speaker 1: if you execute this person, you're going to have to

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00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: be accountable to this representative in Germany, Sweden, France, whatever, right, So,

519
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: and it gave them a line to follow up with

520
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: the Islamic Republic about the health and status of that prisoner,

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00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: because now you have a representative from an EU country,

522
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Speaker 1: which you don't want to be on their terrorist list,

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00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: you don't want to be signed by the EU. So

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: you have a representative from an EU country reaching out

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00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: to you like, hey, what is the status of doctor

526
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: Hamman Lara Hassan, What is the status of this person?

527
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: What is the status of this person? I want to know?

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00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: And that type of pressure of just receiving that phone

529
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: call or that email that's life changing for prisoners, you know, right. Yeah,

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00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: And speaking of that, what are some of the the

531
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: tags or the people specific accounts we should be following

532
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: about this revolution? Um, gosh, there's so many of us,

533
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: they don't know where to begin. So you have a

534
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: big voice. That's the one of the coalition leaders now

535
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: because they've formed an opposition coalition. So one of the

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: big voices in that regard. Her name is Massy Ali Najard.

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00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,959
Speaker 1: So she is a Iranian woman. She is a journalist

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00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: and she's very very vocal against the Islamic Republic, and

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00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean they've actually attempted kidnap assassination on her. Yeah.

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00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I think we did a small thing on her. Yeah,

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00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: she's great. Um, there's so many. There's so many because

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00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: this is like all I do now is followed. Like

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00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, just I might as well just go through

544
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: my followers list and just share it with Essentially, what

545
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: you're telling us is go on to your your social media,

546
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: find who you're following, and follow them exactly. Okay, gotcha.

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00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: But I guess one of the big tags again is

548
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: say their names, save their lives. Is there other tags

549
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: that we should be aware of that are specific to

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00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the Iranian revolution? Yes, that one say their names to

551
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: save their lives? Um Iran hashtag Iran Revolution, hashtag Iran

552
00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: hashtag master and mini hashtag Iranian protests. Those are the

553
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: main ones. I think the following your on how do

554
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: you think the movement and the revolution is going right now?

555
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: What do you think the status, how do you think

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00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: it's going. What should we be aware of as for

557
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: a morale, I think that every revolution has peaks and valleys,

558
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: it goes up and down, and I think that that's

559
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: just a natural part of human nature, is that you

560
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: have the moments where you're out there and you're fighting,

561
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and then you have the moments that you need the

562
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: reprieve and the rest to recharge and recuperate. So I

563
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: think recently we've been seeing that period of just like

564
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: needing to recharge and you know, have that bit of respite.

565
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: But then I think following the formation of the Coalition,

566
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: that has a lot to inspire people that there's something,

567
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: there's actually a trajectory for this movement. Now we have

568
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: something someone to replace the Islamic Republic. It's given them

569
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: a goal, like a fixed goal to work towards. So

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00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: I think that the morale had dipped a little bit,

571
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,959
Speaker 1: but I think now I'm noticing it kind of going

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00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 1: back up because of the coalition, which is which has

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00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 1: kind of changed things. I don't know if I know

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00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: much about the coalition, Can you explain that a little bit? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So the coalition is Reza pala Vi, Marcy Ali, Najard,

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00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: Nazanin Boniardi, and Hamad a Smile. I don't know if

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00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: there's anyone else, but these are just a group of

578
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: leaders who have been prominent in the Iranian revolution from

579
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: outside of Iran. They will have a different role. One

580
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: of them as a German journalist, one's a former prince,

581
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: one is an actress, one is the guy who lost

582
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: his wife and child when the flight seven five two

583
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: was shot down by the Islamic Republic. So they have

584
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: come together to form an opposition to the Islamic Republic.

585
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: So now what's happening is that you're having events that

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00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: are being held where instead of like every year, the

587
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 1: EU will invite whatever whatever, instead of inviting the Islamic Republic,

588
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: now they're inviting the opposition, the coalition, and that is

589
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: a big sign to the world that there's now an

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00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: alternative to the Islamic Republic and they're taking that seriously. Wow, Okay, yeah,

591
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: that's fantastic. I know, pretty great. I mean that was

592
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: the one thing that was missing this whole time was

593
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: a leader, right, and now we have a coalition of leaders. Right.

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00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: That's phenomenal. So one thing we've been talking about on

595
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: this show is what are some things that we could

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00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: do as people on the outside. Well, it's interesting because

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00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 1: everything that we've achieved so far is really just because

598
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: we've managed to keep eyes on iron. You know, everything

599
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: that we've done has just been the success of international attention,

600
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: And people don't realize how much this makes a difference.

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00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: I mean, when I'm talking about attention, literally watching a

602
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: video all the way through increases engagement, even if you

603
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: didn't do anything, Even if you just watched it and

604
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: kept scrolling, you did something right, You boosted the algorithm.

605
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: If you downloaded it, you boosted the algorithm. If you

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00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: shared it, you boosted the algorithm. If you commented something,

607
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: you boosted the algorithm. So awareness has dramatically changed the

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00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 1: landscape of everything that's happening in Iran right now. Of course,

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00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: there's more that you can do. You know, you can

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00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: sign the petitions, You can call your representatives. You know,

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00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: you can call your representatives and ask them to coospond

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: to them to act, which is an act that sanctions

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00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: the regime's leaders. Like there's always if you're following accounts

614
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: of Iranian activists, there's always going to be things that

615
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: they can get you to physically do. But I think

616
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: people underestimate how much they're doing by just keeping their

617
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 1: eyes on the subject, not looking away. Not scrolling, you know,

618
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: staying engaged. By just engaging, you're keeping eyes on Iron

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00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: and with that attention, we have managed to achieve so much,

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00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: and we will be able to continue achieving so much.

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00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: That's a lot and I'm glad you can let us

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00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: know because there's so much like you just don't know

623
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: what you can do from the outside, especially when people

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00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: are disconnected, as Iranian regime has done a great job

625
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: in trying to disconnect at the outside world from what's

626
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: happening inside, including the people. Obviously they're not doing a

627
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: great job because we still do still like you, I

628
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: also think right, but I also think it's important to

629
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: give people tasks that they can actually do because you know,

630
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: if people say, oh, what we can can we do

631
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: and we say like, oh, well, you know, get on

632
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: the bus and go to DC, and it's like, okay,

633
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: well people are not going to do that. So if

634
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: we give everyone in the world or everyone who has

635
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: access to a smartphone whatever and Instagram TikTok, like a

636
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: very simple task of like, hey, if you see a

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00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: name video on Iron Watch all the way to the end, yes,

638
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: like just leave a comment like love this, so share

639
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: it if you feel really compelled share it, download it.

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00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: You know, that's something where people can feel like they're

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Speaker 1: making a difference without having to you know, take them

642
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Speaker 1: outside of their comfort zone, right right, which honestly though

643
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: we should be able to go outside of our comfort zone.

644
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: But you know, that's a whole different, whole different conversation.

645
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: I just want to meet people where they're at. I

646
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: love that you are that, Yes, we need more people

647
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 1: like you, But I'm like, why are you doing it?

648
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I get that what's wrong with you? But you know,

649
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: some of the other things that we talked about, especially

650
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: when it comes to our government in the outside government

651
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Speaker 1: and having the government do something bigger, Can we as

652
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: citizens do something to encourage our own people, our own

653
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: representatives to be more involved, or what can we do

654
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: to get that push? So there's a few things we

655
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: would laugh to Biden administration to increase sanctions against the

656
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Speaker 1: Islamic Republic, so putting pressure on this administration to do that.

657
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: We need to get the IRGC on the EU terrorist list,

658
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 1: so we're putting pressure on the EU to do that.

659
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 1: And we have you know, political prisoners that we are

660
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Speaker 1: trying to get released, like too, Marge, who's the biggest

661
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Speaker 1: rapper in Iran. So we have like our free to

662
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Marge campaign, so we like, we want to get people

663
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Speaker 1: to repost free to Marge hashtag free to Marge, post

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Speaker 1: is picture is content whatever. And then there's the Master Act,

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Speaker 1: which I mentioned, which is an act that sanctions the

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Speaker 1: regime's leaders. And we want to get people to call

667
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Speaker 1: their representatives and ask them to co sponsor the Massa

668
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Speaker 1: Act because that's something that they're gonna need to do

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Speaker 1: in order for it to be enacted. So for the

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Speaker 1: people who are ready to come out of that comfort zone. Yes,

671
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Speaker 1: it's that on our list, right. That's sooth things, both

672
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: things that can easily be done so easy if you

673
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Speaker 1: have a smartphone and time. Yes, I think you exactly.

674
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty easy. Representative, you don't even have

675
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 1: to speak to them. You won't speak to the representative.

676
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: You'll just speak to some clerk that picks up. That's

677
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: like interning. They'll be like, what are you talking about?

678
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Speaker 1: That's what they always say to me, the Master Act

679
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, Master like Massa Amni and they're

680
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Speaker 1: like who oh no, yeah, wow, yeah that's again. Yes, sorry,

681
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: you'll just call them and You're just going to speak

682
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Speaker 1: to interms and don't worry, you know more than they do. Yeah,

683
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: do you literally have to tell them that you're like Iran?

684
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: You know, Middle East? Who state is that? That makes

685
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: me so sad? I love because I'm just me every day. Basically,

686
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: speaking of which one of the questions we often ask

687
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Speaker 1: our guests, and I know you are a busy person,

688
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Speaker 1: because we haven't even talked about what you do as

689
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: a career, which is can be deflating and oftentimes so

690
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: stressful as a criminal attorney in LA, especially fighting a

691
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: system that's so set up to make people fail. A

692
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: whole different conversation. But don't even get me started. I

693
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: will don't get me started. What do you do between

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00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: the vision and your work? How do you care for yourself? Oh?

695
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: My god, I don't. That's the problem, I know. And

696
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: this is why I'm sick. I mean, I'm literally like,

697
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: I'm sick for the second time this year, and I

698
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: was sick for all of January and I was just

699
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: I think it's just because I'm so burnt out, like

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00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: I've been going for like six months straight on this revolution,

701
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: and before that I was still doing my TikTok stuff

702
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 1: every day. Like through everything that was going on in America,

703
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: I was like angry, and then the revolution happened and

704
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: I was like very very angry. And then so I

705
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: was just been producing content every day and then you know,

706
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: going to work and I'm like literally in court and

707
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: like tweeting or like in court and making a story

708
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: and the judge is calling me and I'm like brb. Yeah.

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00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: So I think I just got really burnt out. But

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00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 1: now more recently I've actually gotten to the stage like

711
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: because I got sick again and everything, like I was

712
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: just like depressed and like emotionally burnt out. I got

713
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm like, Okay, I actually cannot

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00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: do this to myself anymore because I'm just driving myself

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Speaker 1: into the ground. So this past week, I've just like

716
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: been in bed a week. This is the most that

717
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: I've done this week. So that's and that's funny because

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00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: you're not actually doing it trying to care for yourself

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Speaker 1: as literally because you're sick and now you're on I know,

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00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: this is this is this is the most that I've

721
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: done this week, which is good because usually I would

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00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: just be like morning tonight every day, and I just

723
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: I stayed in bed all weekend because I mean, I

724
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: actually couldn't get out of bed. It wasn't rus. I

725
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: like that. You're trying to count it as with a

726
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: fever in bed. Fine, I couldn't physically stand up. Aren't

727
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: you proud of me? Self care? Self care? I did

728
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: turn the can on, but I couldn't smell them. So well,

729
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: then I think you need to take a page out

730
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 1: of your cat's playbook and go get into a luxury

731
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: bag for a while. Yeah, it was that seems like, Yeah,

732
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pretend like it's it's a luxury do that,

733
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: do that virgin out out the part where I said

734
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: flushion nova and just end it. Luxury bag we all need.

735
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: But okay, so that means what we need to do

736
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: is have you on in like six months so you

737
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: can tell us what you've done to take a break

738
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: for yourself. And you're gonna tell us something amazing because

739
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: a part of the political unrest, as I believe from

740
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: our week. We just did a great book club. In

741
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: the book, they talk about how taking care of yourself

742
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,320
Speaker 1: is a part of the fighting against justice as well,

743
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: because you're actually caring for yourself. And yeah, so that

744
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 1: that's something that you need to remember because you can't

745
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: help anybody when you're feverie in bed for weeks at

746
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: a time. I know. Yeah, well, you know, that's just

747
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you don't realize until

748
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: it catches up with you. Right. So it's about taking

749
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: the breaks when you don't think you need them, right,

750
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: you know exactly, like you feel like, oh, I'm okay,

751
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm good to go. Like that's the time where you're like, nope,

752
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: I've scheduled a break. I'm going to take a break

753
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: so that I don't get burnt out. That's the hard

754
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: that's the hard part. So I'm going to cut this

755
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: club and then send it to you every two weeks

756
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: on your tech talk to remind you. This is what

757
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: you sall me with your own words, troll me with

758
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: my own words. That's my dream, hopefully accountable. Oh my god,

759
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 1: I need to I need to see it. Yes, this

760
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: is how I make friends by being their troll. This

761
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: is what's going to happen, troll for their mental health.

762
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's great. That's a great title. You know.

763
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: That'll be on my tombstone. I was a troll for

764
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: their mental health is fine. That's a great, great legacy

765
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: to have truth. Well, goodness, thanks for taking the time

766
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: when you've been so sick to god show. I mean,

767
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: you know that had to be done, had to be done,

768
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: So thank you for having me though, even when I'm sick. Oh,

769
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: we were thrilled to have you, and we had no

770
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: idea you could do such a great job in covering

771
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: that up. I don't know if that's a good thing though. Okay,

772
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought my voice was going to give it away,

773
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: but apparently it's not that bad. Then. Well, we would

774
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: love to have you back on in the future and

775
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: years check in on your self care and what's going on.

776
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 1: Hopefully by that time we can talk about three year on. Yeah. Yeah,

777
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: how that's looking like we're gonna put that out there.

778
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna come with that. We're gonna go ahead and

779
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: put that out in the universe. Yeah, you can be back.

780
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: So you just you just got back from Tehran. What's

781
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: it like out there now that everything's free? And I'll

782
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: be like, girl, let me tell you, I'll I'll be

783
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: showing it from Tehran because I'll be like, I'm not

784
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: coming back yet. Exactly perfect, perfect from that. Yeah, me too,

785
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and we have to do it before and after, you know, yes, yes, well,

786
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: in the meantime, where can our good listeners find you?

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00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: You can find me. I'm Elka labon pretty much everywhere

788
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: except the TikTok I'm Elka dot LBoN so Instagram at

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Speaker 1: Elca Lebon, TikTok at Elka dot LBoN, Twitter at Elca

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Speaker 1: Lebon and you know, whatever else, be the same thing, YouTube,

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Speaker 1: whatever thing that comes up in the future, across the board,

792
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: across the board. Just search me in your hats. Yeah, yes, well,

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00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: I trust that the listeners know how the Internet works

794
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: and how to search things. So I've always they've come

795
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: this far, if they've comes spa yeah, now they listen

796
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: to a podcast, they are already like leaps ahead on

797
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: this internet to find me exactly right. Yes, well, listeners,

798
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: please go do that. Go follow Elica wherever you can

799
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: for amazing content, informative content, important content. Um, thank you

800
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: again for being here with us. It was a delight.

801
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. Yes, oh, it

802
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 1: was such a delight. We hope you feel better soon.

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00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: Thank you, and rest for real. I'm going to rest, yes,

804
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Samantha will haunt you. Oh, please haunt me, Please haunt me.

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Speaker 1: Yes and listeners. If you would like to find as

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Speaker 1: you can our email stuff and your mom stuff at

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Speaker 1: super producer Christina. Thank you, Christina, and thanks to you

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