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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A beautiful young Pennsylvania college co ed goes missing in

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Speaker 2: the middle of the night, or did she Take a

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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at KDKA.

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Speaker 3: State Police are investigating this young woman, Chloe Stein, who

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Speaker 3: has been missing since last night eleven PM. And I

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Speaker 3: just talked to her mother. As you can imagine, she

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Speaker 3: is just distraught, breaking down, just telling me she just

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Speaker 3: wants answers and right now state police are trying.

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Speaker 2: To do that.

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Speaker 3: They say they got a call this morning from Chloe's

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Speaker 3: boyfriend who said that he had communicated with her around

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Speaker 3: eleven PM last night, saying that she was being pulled over.

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Speaker 3: Her mom said something was wrong with her headlight, and

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Speaker 3: at that point the family never heard from her again.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just imagine this scenario. Your girl is at school

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Speaker 2: at college and suddenly you find out that she's on

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Speaker 2: the phone with the boyfriend claiming she's getting pulled over,

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Speaker 2: and then she's never heard from again. Now take a

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Speaker 2: listen to Jennifer Barrosso.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three years old, that is Chloe Stein's age. She

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Speaker 3: was set to graduate from penn State Greater Allegheny this weekend.

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Speaker 3: Her mother is desperate for answers. She tells me that

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Speaker 3: Chloe's boyfriend was the last person to communicate with her

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Speaker 3: via text, and it was her boyfriend and two friends

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Speaker 3: who found Chloe's car earlier today, not far from where

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Speaker 3: she worked. Here's the timeline that we know. Just after

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Speaker 3: ten pm last night, Chloe's mom tells me her daughter

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Speaker 3: finished working at the Sonic in Hempfield Township. She drove

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Speaker 3: a coworker home and returned back back to the Sonic Stay.

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Speaker 3: Police say Chloe was last seen leaving there at ten

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Speaker 3: thirty and about ten minutes later, her boyfriend, Nick, her

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Speaker 3: mom tells me, said he got a text message from

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Speaker 3: Chloe saying she got pulled over by police. Now, Chloe

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Speaker 3: never made it home to Janette's and that's when her mom,

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Speaker 3: family and friends started looking for her.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine the terror this is striking in the

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Speaker 2: mom's heart. At eleven pm at night, the last thing

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Speaker 2: they hear is she's getting pulled over because of a

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Speaker 2: headlight problem, and then the boyfriend finds her car under

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Speaker 2: a bridge. Is that the way it played out? Joining

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Speaker 2: me right now, write it with a Tribune review in Greensboro, Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 2: and you can find her at TribLive dot com. Ranata

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Speaker 2: Signorini RANAA. Thank you for being with us. Tell me

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Speaker 2: about the night that this. She's really beautiful young girl,

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Speaker 2: Chloe Steine goes missing.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, Nancy. That is pretty much how

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Speaker 4: it played out. State police were notified the following day

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Speaker 4: after Chloe's family and friends made every effort to try

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Speaker 4: to find her after spotting her car abandoned along kind

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Speaker 4: of a desolate road that would have been on her

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Speaker 4: way home from work. So she was reported missing the

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Speaker 4: following afternoon after her family and friends tried every effort

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Speaker 4: they could to find her. So then state police kind

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Speaker 4: of took over and they extended a lot of resources.

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Speaker 4: A helicopter, police dogs, they had area firefighters.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Carol, Lauren and haven't wait a minute, you said, helicopter,

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Speaker 2: police dogs, everybody coming out to find twenty three year

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Speaker 2: old Chloe Dine. All they've got is her car. Take

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Speaker 2: a list to our friends at kd KA, and we just.

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Speaker 5: Started calling police stations saying, like, did somebody pull her over?

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Speaker 5: This is her license plate number. Has anybody pulled anybody

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Speaker 5: in that description over her? And nothing? I don't know

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Speaker 5: if it was like she truly was pulled over by

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Speaker 5: a police officer or not. I don't know. We don't

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Speaker 5: know because we haven't don't have confirmation that she was

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Speaker 5: issued a citation, a warning, anything like that. Within a

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Speaker 5: matter of thirty minutes, her boyfriend had said he and

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Speaker 5: his friends were out and they had found her car.

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Speaker 3: Chloe's mom tells me inside her Volkswagen, her cell phone

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Speaker 3: was found, but not found her wallet or keys, her

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Speaker 3: mom tells me, and her car was pointed in the

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Speaker 3: direction of her home in Janette. Just a short time ago,

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Speaker 3: State police found Chloe Stein's vehicle on Roadaba Road under

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Speaker 3: Route sixty six in Greensburg. And right now I'm told

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Speaker 3: that her phone was found and police right now are

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Speaker 3: processing her car trying to figure out what happened. Her

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Speaker 3: mother just begging anyone if they have any information that

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Speaker 3: if they had seen her or saw her driving last night,

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Speaker 2: I find it interesting that they know her car was

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Speaker 2: turned toward in the direction of going home. I want

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Speaker 2: to go out to private investigator Bill Garcia, and you

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Speaker 2: can find them at Bill Garcia Investigative Services. You've done

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Speaker 2: so many searches. What are they looking for inside of

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Speaker 2: her car Well.

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Speaker 6: Any information that would lead them to anyone who may

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Speaker 6: have taken her, or information that would have shown what

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Speaker 6: actually occurred during that period.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I find it really interesting. Let me

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Speaker 2: go to doctor Nicole Vienna Forensic Psychologists. She's the CEO

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Speaker 2: of Vienna Psychological Group. Doctor Vienna, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us. It would suggest that she left against her will,

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Speaker 2: because who leaves their cell phone behind? Ever since I

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Speaker 2: stupidly gave my children their cell phone to early at

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Speaker 2: age twelve, they're not without it. It goes wherever they go.

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Speaker 7: Great.

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Speaker 8: I mean, she could have left it behind because she forgot,

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Speaker 8: she purposely left it there. There could be many reasons

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Speaker 8: why someone moves their stuff behind. She could have been scared.

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Speaker 2: We don't know to Matthew Mangino, joining US, high profile

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Speaker 2: lawyer out of this jurisdiction and former prosecutor, author of

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Speaker 2: the Executioner's Toll Crimes, arrests, trials, appeals, last words, and

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Speaker 2: final meals executions of forty six people in the US. Now,

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Speaker 2: criminals are so sophisticated they either cut off the phone,

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Speaker 2: they put it on airplane mode, or they leave their

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Speaker 2: own phone behind, as we saw in the Coburger case,

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Speaker 2: who is now prime suspect in the murders of four

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Speaker 2: Beautiful University, Idaho students. He has phone turned off during

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Speaker 2: the crime, and as he's leaving on a circuitous route

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Speaker 2: back to his place at Washington State University, he flipped

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Speaker 2: it back on and he can be traced. So people

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Speaker 2: perps either leave the phone behind, they turn it off,

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Speaker 2: they put it in airplane mode. That's a way of

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Speaker 7: Well, right, Nancy, And I think in this situation, you know,

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Speaker 7: I would be concerned if I was investigating this but

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Speaker 7: the cell phone was left in the car. I'd also

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Speaker 7: be interested to see where the cell phone was. Was

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Speaker 7: it in the console or was it laying on the floor,

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Speaker 7: which would indicate to me that someone grabbed it out

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Speaker 7: of her hand and threw it into the vehicle. So

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Speaker 7: those are you know, issues that I would look at.

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Speaker 7: And obviously it's crucial in terms of time to investigate

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Speaker 7: this matter. We know that people who go missing, you know,

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Speaker 7: the most important period of time is right within the

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Speaker 7: twelve to twenty four hours after they disappear. So the

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Speaker 7: state police here have to work very quickly in this matter.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that is because within two to three days.

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Speaker 2: The victim is normally killed if they have not been

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Speaker 2: found or returned. So that's a very grim statistic. So

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Speaker 2: every minute counts, And I'm very curious back to We're

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Speaker 2: not a Signorini joining us on Tribune Review in Greensburg,

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Speaker 2: We're not again, thank you for being with us. She

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Speaker 2: absolutely was working at Sonic that night on her regular shift.

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Speaker 4: Correct, right, Yes she was.

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Speaker 2: And I assume that the local Sonic is covered in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's in kind of a busy shopping area, and

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Speaker 4: I know that state police were out getting turbulence video

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Speaker 4: from probably that area and definitely from a train yard

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Speaker 4: that is kind of across the street from where her

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Speaker 4: car was found that night.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that she was a train yard

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Speaker 2: the Sonic, and you would want to see in that.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Trey Sargent with Search, Rescue and Recovery

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Speaker 2: expert podcast The Secrets Quest Trace. Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 2: You'd want to get all of that to see who

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Speaker 2: if anyone in the parking lot may have followed her,

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Speaker 2: who she may have had words with as she was

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Speaker 2: waiting on them. I mean, isn't the Sonic the one

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Speaker 2: where you get curb service and they bring the food

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Speaker 2: out to your car.

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Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy, and I would say as law enforcement officials

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Speaker 9: and investigators in these kind of situations, it is a young,

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Speaker 9: beautiful woman that has vanished without a trace, and it's

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Speaker 9: always going to be approached from the standpoint that worst

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Speaker 9: case scenario, and that means was she abducted, was she

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Speaker 9: taken by force? Where is she? What's happened to her,

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Speaker 9: what is being done to her? All of those situations,

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Speaker 9: and as mentioned earlier, time is of the essence. This

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Speaker 9: is an urgent matter and it requires numerous resources to

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Speaker 9: respond as quickly as possible.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: A twenty three year old Pennsylvania co ed disappears and

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Speaker 2: at first it was believed she vanished from the Sonic

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Speaker 2: restaurant where she works there in Hempfield about ten thirty

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Speaker 2: five PM on a Monday night. But then we learned

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Speaker 2: she texts her boyfriend that she was pulled over by

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Speaker 2: police driving a desolate stretch of road in the township

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Speaker 2: and then goes missing. Another question on that to Matthew Mangino,

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Speaker 2: high profile lawyer joining us out of the Pennsylvania jurisdiction

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Speaker 2: when cops pull over, isn't it true their vehicles are monitored,

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Speaker 2: you know, where a cruiser is practically at all times.

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Speaker 7: Well, you would, and he would also know, based on

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Speaker 7: you know, radio transmission, that that this officer has pulled

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Speaker 7: the dispatch. You know, he's going to give a license

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Speaker 7: plate number of the vehicle that he thought to try

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Speaker 7: to get some initial information, you know. So so you know,

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Speaker 7: a stop by a police officer or the Pennsylvania State

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Speaker 7: Police is going to be documented. It doesn't happen without

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Speaker 7: anybody knowing about it. So that, you know, we've heard

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Speaker 7: earlier that the family had contacted local police departments to

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Speaker 7: determine if there had been someone pulled over, if for

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Speaker 7: license plate had been in some way recorded it, and

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Speaker 7: it was not. So that raises the concern that this

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Speaker 7: was not a legitimate traffic stop, that this was someone

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Speaker 7: with some nefarious purpose that pulled this young woman over.

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Speaker 2: So, in other words, someone that is faking being a cop.

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Speaker 2: All scenarios are on the table. The family beside themselves out,

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Speaker 2: searching themselves, begging on the airways on social media for help,

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Speaker 2: and then seemingly a miracle. Take a listen to Shelley Board.

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Speaker 10: According to initial reports, Stein was last seen leaving Sonic

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Speaker 10: in Hempfield Township at ten thirty Monday night. She texted

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Speaker 10: her boyfriend a short time later, stating she believed she

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Speaker 10: was being pulled over by police. Police say she wasn't

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Speaker 10: heard from again until she showed up at a neighbor's home.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, she was relief after being held gun point and

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Speaker 11: semi assaulted we'll call it, you know, and bound. So yeah,

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Speaker 11: then she was released and dropped off in near an

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Speaker 11: what somebody would do too.

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Speaker 2: We're not Signorini joining us some tributing review in Greensburg.

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Speaker 2: Thanks again, Nada for being with us. Where was it

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Speaker 2: exactly that she was found?

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Speaker 4: Was found at a neighbor's house around eight pm. She

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Speaker 4: had shown up there and claimed that she had been

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Speaker 4: adducted at a gunpoint until she showed up.

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Speaker 2: At a neighbor's house. Okay, I'm trying to decipher what's

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Speaker 2: happening right here. And we also learned that she was

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Speaker 2: bound and as the law enforcement said, simmy assaulted, bound

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Speaker 2: and simmy assaulted. Now I'm very, very curious about the

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Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding her disappearance. But first of all, to Bill Garcia,

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Speaker 2: a private investigator, it's a miracle that she's alive because

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Speaker 2: according to her, she is kidnapped, bound, assaulted, and then

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Speaker 2: dropped back off near her home. It has happened. That

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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, without knowing what actually happened, law enforcement has to

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Speaker 2: Matthew Mangino joining us high profile lawyer. Out of this jurisdiction.

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Speaker 2: We are used to hearing the worst. That someone is

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Speaker 2: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 7: Yes, it does happen, and there are you know, stories

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Speaker 7: You know, at this point, though, I'm sure the Pennsylvania

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Speaker 7: But what happened is the next question.

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Speaker 2: Well, they want to catch the purp, and I'm not

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Speaker 12: Stay police say Chloe Stein was found here on Wiley Avenue,

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Speaker 2: Was a hoax.

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Speaker 13: Learning more tonight about the alleged kidnapping hoax involving this

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Speaker 2: She said she was held at gunpoint and blindfolded.

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Speaker 13: They say that she even gave herself some minor injuries

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Speaker 2: Our friends WPXI, okay to Renata Signorini, the whole thing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think state police, and I know I was

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Speaker 10: According to the criminal complaint, when police told Stein, her

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Speaker 11: The way it was described to us is that the

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Speaker 2: What kind of mind does that require, doctor Vienna. The

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it seems that people like for a variety of reasons,

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Speaker 2: What is a sociopath?

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Speaker 8: So, and the sociopath could be a perpetual liar. There

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Speaker 2: Would you agree this could be indicative of a sociopathic

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Speaker 8: It's possible, but it would take a lot of other

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Speaker 2: Lying, okay, manipulation, lying, carrying on a double lot for

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Speaker 2: their own gang. What is a narcissist, doctor Vienna?

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Speaker 8: A narcissist is someone that has a very low sense

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Speaker 8: They also share traits with psychopathy, could be on the

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Speaker 2: Now, isn't a narcissism a narcissist named after the mythical

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Speaker 4: That's correct.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how that jives with your

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Speaker 2: my understanding. The textbook understanding of narcissism is excessive interest

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Speaker 2: I believe a narcisist is. Is that wrong?

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Speaker 8: No, that's that's correct. But they do have inverted low

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Speaker 8: but they project out to the world that they have that.

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Speaker 8: But they also lack empathy and they need this admiration,

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Speaker 8: It doesn't come internally for them.

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Speaker 2: And what would you describe as a histrionic personality.

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Speaker 8: Uh, histrionic personality is more somebody that has it. They're

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Speaker 2: And would be capable of a dramatic performance.

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Speaker 8: They are capable of that.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so just as a j D. Of course, I'm

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Speaker 2: Wait till you hear the motive. Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 10: The theory for the fabrication. Lamani says Stein was at

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Speaker 3: The police say, Chloe Stein, twenty three years old from

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Speaker 3: this was an apparent hoax police belief because she wasn't

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Speaker 3: Take a look at some video as police led Stein

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Speaker 11: The situation at college was a driving force, probably the

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Speaker 8: Now state police want to know if anyone was helping climbs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did nobody know she was in their garage the

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Speaker 2: and now the big motive emerges. Well, you may not

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Speaker 2: I think that's a motive. But I've seen other motives

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Speaker 2: that are even weaker, and I believe Bill Garcia and

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Speaker 2: Shrey Sargent are going to agree with me. Let's start

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Speaker 2: on a case on which Bill Garcia worked diligently, round

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Speaker 14: In November of twenty sixteen, Sherry Peppini vanished for twenty

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Speaker 14: You're chained up? She's chained up, she told authority she'd

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Speaker 14: been kidnapped by two Hispanic women. She claimed the women

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Speaker 15: Now, the parsonomic sense are that you're accusing two females

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Speaker 2: Much like the Erry Peppini case. In this case with

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Speaker 2: private investigator at Bill Garcia Investigative Services, Bill, Cherry Peppini

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Speaker 6: I do? And that's quite an extreme for someone to take.

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Speaker 6: But as your story, you're made up, story perpetuates, you're

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Speaker 2: You know, Matthew Mangino, a high profile lawyer joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Chloe Stein's jurisdiction of Pennsylvania. The liar, the hoaxer,

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Speaker 2: the first thing cop did is look at the boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: Then they started looking at cops. You may have pulled

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Speaker 7: And as you said, you know, you have this police

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Speaker 7: You know, you have helicopters in the air, which you

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Speaker 7: So she put a lot of people in danger. She

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Speaker 7: It's a very selfish, self centered act.

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Speaker 2: Match to Bill Garthia, probably investigator who worked on the

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Speaker 6: Well, we started at the origin and search that area

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Speaker 2: So Pipini lays behind, left behind her during her big hope,

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Speaker 2: her husband and what two children correct, And of course

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Speaker 2: suspicion goes on the husband like it always does because

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Speaker 2: typically they did it. So the husband is under suspicions

439
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: and then neatly folded up, we find Cherry Peppenie's phone,

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00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: her earbuds wrapped up very neatly, sitting somewhere. It would

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Speaker 2: be found with her hair in it, as if her

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Speaker 2: hair had been yanked out of her head when the

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Speaker 2: perp kidnapped her. And speaking of hair, that brings me

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00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 2: brings to my mind the case of Jennifer Wilbanks. But

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Speaker 2: before I get to the Runaway Bride Jennifer Wilbanks, take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cut nineteen again our friend Matt

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Speaker 2: Gubban at ABC.

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Speaker 14: It wasn't until more than three years later that trace

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Speaker 14: DNA found on Peppini led to this mystery man ex

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Speaker 14: boyfriend James Reyes, who admitted he helped Peppini inflict those

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Speaker 14: injuries on herself.

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Speaker 15: So there's a brand on her. Yeah, there's significant bruising,

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Speaker 15: and she did.

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Speaker 16: Thought she was here. I mean, she just hit herself

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Speaker 16: with something I altered. I mean I didn't pinch her

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Speaker 16: anything helps you just for shot the fuck Ulture Lady.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 15: So there's a brand on on her. Yeah, there's significant bruising,

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Speaker 15: and she did.

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Speaker 16: At that whist she was here. I mean, she just

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Speaker 16: hit herself with something held her. I mean, I didn't

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Speaker 16: find her anything helps you just for shot a fuck

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Speaker 16: ulture lady.

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Speaker 9: So she.

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Speaker 2: Manipulates, which goes back to sociopath and narcissistic and historyonic.

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Speaker 2: Manipulates an old boyfriend into hiding her out in his

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Speaker 2: place for this period of time, and she beats herself,

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Speaker 2: starts herself, and even brands herself to carry out her fib.

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Speaker 2: You know, uh, there is a story that I read

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Speaker 2: to children. They were little veggie tails and it's called

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Speaker 2: I Think Larry in the FIB, and the FIB wants

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Speaker 2: you tell the lie. Then you have to keep it going,

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Speaker 2: and you have to remember the line. You have to

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Speaker 2: make up more details to make the lie believable, and

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Speaker 2: go on and on and until finally it all just

476
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Speaker 2: blows up. And the only way to beat this big lie,

477
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: this goliath of a lie that's taken over your life,

478
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Speaker 2: is to pierce it with the truth and just tell

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Speaker 2: the truth. I cannot believe that this girl, she kind

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Speaker 2: of reminds me Matthew Mangino of tottenmham Casey Anthony. You

481
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Speaker 2: remember she faked working at Universal for years, two or

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Speaker 2: three years. She even had her uniform and her id.

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Speaker 2: She tried to tell the cops that she worked there.

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Speaker 2: They took her all the way there through security to

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Speaker 2: the building where she says she worked, into the building,

486
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Speaker 2: and finally she said, okay, you got me out. Lied.

487
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 2: She'd been carrying on that hoax for years to her

488
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Speaker 2: parents so she could get free babysitting out of them

489
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Speaker 2: while she went in Gallivana claiming she was at work

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Speaker 2: and they would take care of baby Kelly, that is

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Speaker 2: until she murdered Kelly. So this is a very extended lie.

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Speaker 2: These people are keeping up. And we see the same

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Speaker 2: thing with Chloe's Tyne. She had not been in school

494
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Speaker 2: for years and was telling the lie and uh oh

495
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Speaker 2: did she not know graduate she was gonna happen?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 7: And inevitably, you know, the lies get revealed, you know lies,

498
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 7: you know breed more lies, and ultimately you're going to

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Speaker 7: be called on it someday. And you know, some people

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Speaker 7: act in very extreme circumstances. I remember the case last

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Speaker 7: year of Chandler Halderson, who told who was living with

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Speaker 7: his parents and told him he had a job at SpaceX,

503
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Speaker 7: and when that fell through, he murdered his parents. I

504
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Speaker 7: burned her bodies in the fireplace. So I mean some

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Speaker 7: people will go to extreme lengths to try to cover

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Speaker 7: up a lie. And this is just one example.

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Speaker 2: I mean all because you're not graduating. And did you

508
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Speaker 2: hear the former boyfriend saying, Okay, I let her hide

509
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Speaker 2: out here, but I didn't beat her. They're looking now

510
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: for who hid out Chloe Stein What she just sat

511
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Speaker 2: in the dark in a garage all that time and

512
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: the owners didn't know she was there. You know too,

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Speaker 2: we're not a signorini joining US Tribune Review in Greensburg.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how many how much money was spent trying

515
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Speaker 2: to find this college co ed Chloe Steine.

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Speaker 4: Stay police told me it probably costs tens of thousands

517
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Speaker 4: of dollars, as far as the helicopter they had out, firefighters,

518
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Speaker 4: time spent coming through the woods, police dogs, and so

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Speaker 4: the state police said they're going to possibly try to

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Speaker 4: seek restitution for that.

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Speaker 2: I have been on many searches before, as have you, Tracy, Sergeant.

522
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Speaker 2: And if I thought I spent the whole day digging

523
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Speaker 2: through the woods and the briars and the brambles and

524
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: the trees, and then find out miss thing had lies

525
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Speaker 2: so he our parents wouldn't find out she wasn't graduating

526
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Speaker 2: from college? Are you kidding me? All these cops, all

527
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Speaker 2: these firefighters, the helicopter, the dogs, the work dragging them

528
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Speaker 2: through all that while she's having a subway sandwich right

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Speaker 2: behind her parents' house. You know when I said hair

530
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Speaker 2: in the Sheery Peppinie case caught in her earbuds to

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Speaker 2: make it look like somebody snapped them out of her

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Speaker 2: ears when they kidnapped her. Remember Chery Peppinie hold on

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Speaker 2: to Bill Garcia actually blamed Hispanic women. She even drew

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Speaker 2: a composite of them, isn't that right, Bill Garcia?

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Speaker 6: That's true. She was trying to deflect away from what

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Speaker 6: was actually occurring and blamed a community or a culture

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Speaker 6: that could have been as the abductors. And fortunately that

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Speaker 6: was not case. We were actually following up on the

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Speaker 6: lead where two women that looked just like the composite

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Speaker 6: was the center of our investigation there towards the end

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Speaker 6: before she finally admitted what had happened. So this put

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Speaker 6: an entire community on edge and in danger in summers.

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Speaker 2: Just think if you had gotten those two women arrested,

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Speaker 2: Bill Garcia. Oh, there's a big fat fault, arrest lawsuit,

545
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Speaker 2: but Tracy Sargent worked on another case where the missing

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Speaker 2: woman's hair led her on a wild goose chain chas.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody remember the name Jennifer Wilbanks, because I will

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Speaker 2: never forget it. Let's hear our cut twenty six, twenty seven.

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Speaker 9: I don't reckon name one. I ency.

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Speaker 4: That's the way I am.

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Speaker 14: Go on street at the live it was going on.

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Speaker 10: I've got my family and that sweet on the phone

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Speaker 10: I was this week and uniful I was to get

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Speaker 10: out from my from Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 14: I don't know about my hands that it's been on

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Speaker 14: the knees, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: And who did this cue?

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Speaker 8: I don't know any strop you off right now?

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Speaker 2: No, I need to know.

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Speaker 10: How long because it was they hadn't got me off

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Speaker 10: here away from me here back on the seventh street.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I can show well the whole.

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Speaker 14: Know that I don't know where I am.

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Speaker 9: Okay, And the person who that did this to you

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Speaker 9: was the heat.

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Speaker 14: It was a man in a street and woman.

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Speaker 8: And it happened happened in the loot oh no, the.

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Speaker 2: So called runway. Brad she stopped there. She gave a

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Speaker 2: full on description of her attackers. Take us knock twenty eight.

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Speaker 9: Ho, I sai the I mean, I would say in

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Speaker 9: her forties.

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Speaker 14: Maybe it was a medium bill.

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Speaker 2: I do have flag?

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Speaker 10: Was it longer?

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Speaker 2: Short? Short?

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Speaker 9: Did you have any facial hair?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 8: The colors for Katackie, what you were?

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Speaker 9: I want to I saw him.

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Speaker 5: He had on a Marion jack and I don't know

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Speaker 5: what color.

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Speaker 14: Sure remembers what color his hands.

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Speaker 8: And looking.

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Speaker 9: It was a boy's van, like a work band.

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Speaker 2: Was it a Convergian banner?

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Speaker 9: Anian?

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Speaker 2: It wasn't a meeting.

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Speaker 6: It was like a like a pain like a painter

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Speaker 6: work band.

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Speaker 14: Direction did they leave in? I don't?

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Speaker 9: I have no idea.

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Speaker 2: I know where I am? Oh? My start?

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Speaker 9: Boy?

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Speaker 2: Did she lie? I mean she had those answers ready.

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Speaker 2: But in the end, this is what we learned. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our twenty nine WSD and it.

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Speaker 17: Turns out that entire story was fabricated. Will Banks told

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Speaker 17: investigators she didn't realize her disappearance had caused such a

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Speaker 17: nationwide fere This afternoon, she issued a statement that was read.

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Speaker 18: By an off I respect the fact that that the

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Speaker 18: public deserves a statement. She's requesting that she would like

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Speaker 18: to speak to her family. First, I appreciate the outpouring

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Speaker 18: of prayers and concern and that she has recently become.

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Speaker 2: Aware of Okay, Tracy Sargus Search Rescue Recovery Expert podcast

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Speaker 2: The Hit The Seekers Quest. Tracy, tell me about the hair.

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Speaker 2: First of all, you were kept secret. They didn't let

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Speaker 2: it be known that you were there with your CA

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Speaker 2: nine dogs, and then you found some hair. Tell me

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Speaker 2: what happened, well.

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Speaker 9: What actually happened. And I was called into this case.

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Speaker 9: Of course, it was very high profile here in Georgia,

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Speaker 9: and I think it's important for listeners to know. When

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Speaker 9: we compare Miss Stein's case, she was missing only for

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Speaker 9: a few hours, whereas Miss Pilbanks the Runaway Ride was

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Speaker 9: missing for days. So it was an extremely stressful, high

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Speaker 9: intense search for this beautiful woman by all of you.

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Speaker 9: Apearances look like she had truly been inducted. She was

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Speaker 9: known to go jogging for exercise, and in this time situation,

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Speaker 9: she went jogging and she didn't return home. She was

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Speaker 9: known as the runaway Bride because she was about to

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Speaker 9: get married. Her fiance calls and reports her missing. So

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Speaker 9: that's how all that culminated. When I was brought in.

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Speaker 9: They did find some hair. What was not known at

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Speaker 9: the time that hair was actually being analyzed via a

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Speaker 9: lab for the analysis to compare that hair they found

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Speaker 9: to hair that they obtained at her home. When they

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Speaker 9: found that these weren't comfortable hair samples, they said, all right,

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Speaker 9: we have a situation here that we need to figure

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Speaker 9: out what happened. We're going to bring in K nine resources.

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Speaker 9: So I was actually hid in a business facility until

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Speaker 9: that lab analysis was done, so we would have quote

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Speaker 9: a good starting point for tracking supposedly her tracks. So

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Speaker 9: that's what we did. We started where the hair was found.

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Speaker 9: The dog did track some distance, and then it stopped

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Speaker 9: at the roadway I had infeigned officials at that time

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Speaker 9: the track has ended here. My all appearances, it looks

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Speaker 9: like our missing person has been placed in a vehicle,

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Speaker 9: either with or with her consent or without her consent.

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Speaker 9: And then ultimately the following day or two, that's when

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Speaker 9: miss Willbanks called and made that nine to one one

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Speaker 9: report and she was actually found one hundreds of miles

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Speaker 9: away in New Mexico. So, referring back to all.

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Speaker 2: The no, Tracy and and I've worked together for a

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Speaker 2: really long time, But I've never asked you this, How

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Speaker 2: did that make you feel? After you go out full

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Speaker 2: of concern, angst, worry, you bring out your dogs and

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Speaker 2: you search, you give it your all, and then you

648
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Speaker 2: find out it's all just a big lie.

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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, you know, that's a really good question, and

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Speaker 9: in some ways it was frustrating. But more importantly, what

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Speaker 9: I found more disturbing is that Miss will Banks and

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Speaker 9: Miss Stein and other women like these females that do

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Speaker 9: these things actually make it worse for other females that

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Speaker 9: when these things actually do happen to them.

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Speaker 2: Exactly my same exact sentiment, how will this affect real

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Speaker 2: crime victims that have endured hell and a jury could

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Speaker 2: be led to believe she's just a gone girl, it's

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Speaker 2: all a big fake. Well, right now, twenty three year

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Speaker 2: old Chloe Stein is not graduating. I think we know that,

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Speaker 2: but she's also facing a flute of charges we wait

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Speaker 2: as just as unfold. Goodbye, friends,