1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: If I am six forty, you're listening to the John 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app on 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: the radio one till four and then after four o'clock 4 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: John and can on demand the podcast. 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 2: You can listen to what you missed. 6 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and use the iHeartRadio app to connect to our 7 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 3: moistline which comes back tomorrow. 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 2: Still accepting calls that might be played. 9 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: Use the app with the microphone Icona called the Tophree 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: number one eight seven seven Moist eighty six one eight 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 3: seven seven six six ' four seven eighty eight six. 12 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 3: The next hour, we're gonna have John Manley on the show, 13 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 3: of course, with the law firm that has done a 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 3: lot representing victims of sex abuse, and this will be 15 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 3: about the USC guynecologist George Tyndall, who may have sexually 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: abused thousands of women when he was at USC as 17 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: their gynecologist for way too many years. Looks like they 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: kind of covered up what was the complaints. Anyway, he 19 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: was found dead seventy six years old, deadness home. So 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: that's going to end the story. 21 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: But some of the victims aren't happy that he's dead. 22 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: They want to well, I don't know what we can 23 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: do about that. They wanted to get him in court. 24 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: You want to just prop him up on the stand. 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: I think he should be tried anyway. Yeah, I think 26 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: his remains should be tried. Like, what was that fake alive? 27 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: What's that story we did last year? 28 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 3: They put make alive, make the family think that she 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 3: was still alive when she had died on the operating table. 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about a fascinating story concerning 31 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 3: our continued problems with the border. Todd Bensman is the 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 3: Texas based Senior National Security Fellow for the Center for 33 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 3: Immigration Studies, and his latest book is Overrun, How Joe 34 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 3: Biden unleashed the greatest border crisis in US history. He's 35 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 3: been on our show numerous times, but this time it's 36 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: a special story that he did about an island. There 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 3: is an island in the Rio Grande between Texas and 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 3: Mexico that apparently is cartel controlled one hundred and seventy acres. 39 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: Looks like it's a bit of a battleground, there are snipers. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 3: He's going to tell us what he has learned about 41 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: this fascinating story and more proof that the porter is 42 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 3: then controlled. 43 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: This is amazing and hard to believe. Todd, thank you 44 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: for coming on again with us. 45 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: Great to do great to do it again. Happy to 46 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: be here. 47 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: What is this about? 48 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I know, I mean, listen, this is it 49 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 4: is a fascinating story. And you know, this is really 50 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 4: just about another aspect of this border crisis. It's not 51 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 4: strictly about you know, people coming over, foreign nationals pouring over, 52 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 4: which they are and incredibly record numbers. But it's also 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 4: a story about, you know, the Mexican cartels moving drugs 54 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 4: and guns and weapons north and south over the border, 55 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: tied to the mass migration because border patrol, remember, is 56 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 4: off the line trying to process all the immigrants into 57 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 4: the country. Right, they're rubber stamping you know, papers for people, 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 4: and they're doing administrative kind of work in these gigantic 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 4: processing centers can barely keep up, so they take them 60 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:13,800 Speaker 4: off the line, and that enables the cartels to move 61 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: their product through. And so in this case, there is 62 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 4: an island south in the far southern tip of Texas, 63 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 4: near a town called Roma and Fontan. You could look 64 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 4: it up on the map or you know, read my 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 4: piece in the Daily Mail today. It's got a good 66 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 4: map in there where nobody knew who owned this island, 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 4: the Mexicans or the Americans, and so if you don't 68 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: know who owns the island, then you know, diplomacy prevents 69 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 4: you from going on to it without permission of the 70 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: other side. So neither side would go onto this island. 71 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: And so the cartels has took advantage of that and 72 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: they have just owned and controlled this very strategic point 73 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 4: to move. They're dope north and also some they started 74 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: moving immigrants through too, and they're absolutely the most vicious 75 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: cartels that there are. It's CDN Cartel del Loreste and 76 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 4: the Golf Cartel and they're right on the other side. 77 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: They completely occupy the other side. A Mexican government does 78 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 4: not occupy that side. They can't go there at all 79 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: unless it's in full combat, you know. Gear it's heavily armed. 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 4: They have tanks, they have shoulder fired miss rockets that 81 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: got full, you know, fifty caliber belt fed machine guns 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,799 Speaker 4: over there, and they put their names on the buildings, 83 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 4: even CBN and Golf Cartel and those are all snipers 84 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: positions and they fire all the time on border patrol 85 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: in this area and they shoot. So Texas just decided 86 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 4: we're going to figure out who owns this property. And 87 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 4: they did, and they figured out it was a Texas property. 88 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: So they gathered up the Texas Rangers, swat teams, there's 89 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: special response teams. Uh, you know, gunned them all up, 90 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 4: armed them up, and went in and seized the island 91 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 4: on Monday, took it from the cartel. Uh. And now 92 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: they are they are bulldozing all of the the brush 93 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 4: that was used as cover, and they're going to be 94 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 4: putting bunkers in and occupying this land for the foreseeable future. 95 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 4: They'll be out there for beeks doing this. It's a 96 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 4: it's a huge island, you know, so they're going to 97 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 4: be doing a lot of you know ground you work 98 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: out there for fortifications, barbed wire. 99 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a relatively peaceful takeover. 100 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 4: There was no bloodshed, right, there was nothing happened but 101 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 4: on this in this case because in part they broadcast 102 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 4: to the cartels on the other side, they made sure 103 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 4: that the cartels on the other side knew that there 104 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,679 Speaker 4: would be a lot of firepower brought to the island 105 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: by the Texans. So you know, it's just really through 106 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 4: force of arms, through fret force of arms. This is 107 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 4: unusual because usually, you know, Texas is down there at force, 108 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: but they're usually opposing just like regular immigrants, economic immigrants 109 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: who are coming through, trying to block them and keep 110 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 4: them in the river. But it's pretty rare that they 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 4: go right up against one of the worst, heaviest armed 112 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 4: paramilitaries in Mexico like this and just say, you know, 113 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 4: bring it. 114 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: So the cartel soldiers simply just flat and went back 115 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: to mainland Mexico. 116 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: I don't know what they did. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure. 117 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:58,799 Speaker 4: There were none on the island. 118 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 2: There was no resistance at all. 119 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 4: There was no resistance. But you know, the problem there 120 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: is that you know, they are all over the other side. 121 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: There's no question at all that they are on the 122 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 4: other side, and the other side has elevated bluffs, so 123 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: they have a tactical advantage, and there are a lot 124 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: of buildings and sniper nests over on that side. So 125 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 4: whatever the Texans do, is they occupy this thing over time, 126 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 4: they're going to be exposed to fire on the other side. 127 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 4: They will be I wouldn't be surprised at all if 128 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: you know there'd be we start seeing attacks or you know, 129 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 4: something happens over there. You know, to to you know, 130 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 4: try to harass the Texas force on this island. But 131 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 4: we'll see, maybe maybe they'll just be intimidated and sort 132 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 4: of go move somewhere else. 133 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: When do you think they took this island? How long 134 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: do you think they've had it? 135 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 4: The cartels? Yeah, oh, at least at least ten or 136 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 4: fifteen years ago. They have been They have you know, 137 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: had a reign of terror in this area for a 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 4: long long time. Years and years. Nobody would go in 139 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,239 Speaker 4: there and take care of it because nobody first nobody 140 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 4: knew who owned it. Number one and number two. There's traditionally, 141 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 4: i mean historically been a reluctance by border patrol, you know, 142 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: the Feds or Texas DPS to really you know, provoke 143 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: those guys over there, because they are they are equipped 144 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 4: with military grade weapons over there on that side, and 145 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 4: so nobody really wanted to have a big incident where 146 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 4: there's like dead troopers or dead Mexicans and maybe they 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 4: hit the wrong guy or a kid or who knows, 148 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: and so they would shy away from these kind of areas. Normally. 149 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: What did they use the island for in terms of 150 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 2: the drug operation. 151 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: Well, they used it several ways for one thing, when 152 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 4: you know so that the cartels are battling between themselves 153 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 4: right now over the island. For months, they've been just 154 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 4: having pitched gun battles with everything throwing at each other. 155 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: You can see the bullet marks on the buildings over there. 156 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 4: And when one side starts to get the upper hand militarily, 157 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: the other side might run and across the river and 158 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: take refuge on that island. If the Mexican military gets involved, 159 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 4: which they do, it's usually it's often three three ways. 160 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 4: So the two cartels go after each other, and then 161 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: the Mexican military will come and try to quell it. 162 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 4: And when they do, the Mexican military doesn't feel like 163 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: it's able to go over to that island in pursuit 164 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: because they don't know if it's Texas, if it's a 165 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 4: Texas island or their island. So it's used a lot 166 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: like that and then. 167 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: And nobody ever did a survey until. 168 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, the Texas Land Commissioner did finally did a survey. 169 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, now they did. 170 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 4: But all these years, yeah, they all these years. There's 171 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 4: a lot of islands like that that over the years, 172 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 4: everybody just kind of forgot who owns them. And you 173 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: know these river islands. Yeah, yeah, anyway, it's just an 174 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 4: interesting part of the whole border crisis in my opinion. 175 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: You know that it's not strictly about these thousands and 176 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 4: thousands of economic migrants coming in giving themselves up. It's 177 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 4: there's a lot of other stuff going on down there 178 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: that could be quelled. But one of the reasons that 179 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 4: Texas went in there is because there's no there used 180 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: to be at least some border patrol out there where 181 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: you know, they'd have car chases. I mean, there were 182 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 4: one thing, but lately, you know, the border patrols all 183 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 4: busy you do in the processing, and Texas is filling 184 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: the gap here. What's going on? 185 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: Wow? 186 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: Todd, thank you so much. People can read more about 187 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 3: this at the Daily Mail. Well Todd wrote the story 188 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 3: about this island. We appreciate talking to you again. 189 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 4: Great to be here. 190 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: Thank you all right, Todd Benzman, Texas based senior National 191 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 3: Security Fellow Center for Immigration Studies, and again his latest book, Overrun, 192 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 3: How Joe Biden unleased the greatest border crisis in US history, 193 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: And his story today is about an island that apparently 194 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 3: is a part of Texas but was well until recently 195 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: the cartels occupied it. More coming up Johnny kenkf I 196 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 3: AM six forty Live Everywhere iHeartRadio app. 197 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 198 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 199 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 4: Hi. 200 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 3: Well, we were just talking to Todd Benzman from the 201 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 3: Center for Immigration Studies about this island between Texas and 202 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 3: Mexico and the real grand that apparently until recently, when 203 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: he said ten to fifteen years controlled by the cartels 204 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: base of operations, but apparently Texas went in there and 205 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 3: evicted them from the island. Now connected to this, because 206 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 3: we're talking about the importance of that island too, is 207 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: the drug trade, maybe more than the migrant trade. There's 208 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 3: a story going around that banners have been appearing in 209 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 3: one of the headquarter cities for one of the big cartels, Sinaloa, 210 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: that are banning the production of fentanyl, and supposedly it's 211 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: signed by Los Chapitos. You know who Los Chapito says, 212 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: john sons of Chopo held Chopos sons, Yes, four of 213 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 3: Joaquin El Chappo Guzman's sons who control a powerful faction 214 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:42,479 Speaker 3: of the cartel. 215 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: And now one of those sons is actually in US. Custody. 216 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 2: He was extradited on drug charges. 217 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 3: The sign bans the production, transportation, and sale of fentanyl 218 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 3: in the city because of quote the government's failure to 219 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: investigate the real ones to blame for the epidemic. Other 220 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 3: people who have been talked to about this say, really, 221 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 3: what this is is the cartel saying this is our thing. 222 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 2: You produce fentanyl, We're coming after you. 223 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: So it's banning the production of fentanyl by anyone other 224 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 3: than people inside the cartel. 225 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: You see. 226 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: Oh, that's the best to be the real Yeah. Yeah, 227 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: I didn't believe this story when it came out. It 228 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: made no sense, like they got a conscience. Oh, fentanyl's 229 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: really bad, we shouldn't do this anymore. You're right, we've 230 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: really because the sign actually did say we have never 231 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: liked the fentanyl business. 232 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: But we think that people think that's the. 233 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: These people have killed thousands and thousands. They killed their own, 234 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: they killed the people in their in the other cartels. Yes, 235 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: they kill innocent citizens, they kill police, they kill military, 236 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: they kill candidates for office, they killed journalists. 237 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 2: Stop. 238 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,679 Speaker 1: Oh, you know, maybe we're going down the wrong track here. 239 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: All these years, get out of here. 240 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 3: Chappo's sons have been accused of actually testing their fentanyl 241 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 3: on humans. 242 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: I guess the latest formula to see how it works 243 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 2: on people and testing it. 244 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: What's that story we heard about skidul the other day. 245 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: People were putting in rat poison and stuff like that 246 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: into some of the drugs. 247 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, you can do also, you 248 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: can do on the street testing. 249 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: Sure, Yeah, to see if it's potent. Up it's got 250 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: some new addictive Oh, he's had a seizure and died. 251 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: That may not be too good because then he's not 252 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 2: a repeat customer. You see. 253 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 3: You know, you don't want to kill the users because 254 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: you wanted them to come back and keep buying. 255 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: That was another thing I wondered about. This was so 256 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: deadly the way they were. 257 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 1: Mixing it, and it's the first time they created a 258 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: drug where casual use could kill you instantly, and there 259 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: was a lot of it, and I'm thinking, well, I 260 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: thought you want to string them out like with heroin. Right, 261 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: you can take heroin for the rest of your life, 262 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,119 Speaker 1: if you're careful about the dosage. 263 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: That's the things I never understood that a very very 264 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: very very tiny amount of fentanyl could kill you. Yet 265 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: we have all these people using they are they ingesting 266 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 3: very very very very very tiny amounts. 267 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: You know, it's supposed to be just a few grains. 268 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: People are dying. 269 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I don't call it poisoning, but way 270 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: more are taking it than are dying. 271 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 2: It's it's that's what I think, right. 272 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 3: They continue to take it, so they must be taking 273 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: in smaller amounts, but just enough to keep your really addicted. 274 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: By the way, Chappo's sons and I enjoyed this part 275 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: in this story. They've also been accused of feeding their 276 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: victims to tigers. 277 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 2: That's the one way to. 278 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: In addition to like right heads up on right, hanging 279 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 3: heads on lamp palls. 280 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Oh remember, they would slice people's faces off and hang 281 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: the collapsed face on the on the lamp stands. 282 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: Heads on a stick. Yeah yeah, yeah, faces on a stick. 283 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: All right? 284 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: When we return, Well, we're gonna go to the airline 285 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 3: industry for this story. 286 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: Alex Stone is covering this. ABC News. 287 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: Your next flight on one of the major airlines fall 288 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 3: out of the sky. This is dealing with aircraft parts 289 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 3: which may have fake certifications behind them, unapproved parts. 290 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: That's next. Johnny KENKFI AM six forty live everywhere iHeartRadio app. 291 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 292 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 5: AM six. 293 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Forty on the radio one to four and then after 294 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: four o'clock Johnny Caken on demand the podcast. 295 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 3: Right, we'll be talking about the dead dirty gynecologist after 296 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 3: three o'clock. George Tindall, who of course was facing charges 297 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: dealing with him sexually abusing many women as time as 298 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: the chief student gecologist of the clinic there at USC 299 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 3: was found dead. So we'll get into all of that 300 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: with John Manley, who represented many of the women making 301 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: these claims against the school, and George Tindall coming up 302 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 3: after three o'clock on the John and Kent Show. Well, 303 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 3: all right, well, our plane's gonna fall out of the skies? 304 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 3: Is that what we're asking? 305 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, they found one hundred and twenty six engines in 306 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: planes around the world with unapproved parts in them, fake certifications. 307 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 2: The hell and so now the certification yeah right, So. 308 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: Now the airlines are now grounding some of their planes 309 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: and removing these fake, uncertified parts. Alex Stone ABC News 310 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: is more. Hey there, guys. Yeah, So anything that goes 311 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: on a commercial airplane has to be approved by the FAA. 312 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: I mean down to every nut and bolt, every light bulb, 313 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: every coffee pot, carpeting to make sure that stuff is inflammable, 314 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: that the metals are real and pure and not gonna 315 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: melt down or blow apart, and so that the allegation 316 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: here that is becoming known today is that there is 317 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,479 Speaker 1: a tiny company in the UK called AOG Technics with 318 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: like no presence. This is like a guy in his 319 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: basement that even had on their website fake executive stock 320 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: photos showing executives of the company, but somehow was able 321 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: to get into the supply chain world of the airline 322 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: industry and provide parts and has allegedly been selling parts 323 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: with fake documents, claiming that they're real and that they're 324 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: authenticated by the FAA and other aviation authorities around the world. 325 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: So you could call it knockoffs, that he was selling fakes, unapproved. 326 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: They don't really know where this stuff was coming from, 327 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: and they ended up in planes all over the world 328 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six, including United, Delta, American Southwest, 329 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: mainly nuts and bolts for ge engines, but Southwest said 330 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: it had turbine blades that it bought from AOG they've 331 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: all been racing to take them off their planes. They 332 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: were not approved for flight. Where they came from, they 333 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: don't know. Did you know, did AOG hire somebody in 334 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: China to make these things or were they getting them 335 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: from somewhere else. They believe some of them were used, 336 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: like turbine blades, being sold as new at the end 337 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: of their life and then sold as new and given 338 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: to airlines, sold the airlines, but really they were old. 339 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: Was ALG a respected recognized supplier, h not really, it 340 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: was just a supplier in the chain. 341 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: And that's the thing. They've been around. They've been doing 342 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 2: this kind of work. 343 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: They've been around, but it's not a company that most 344 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: people would know from just by saying their name. United's 345 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 1: former CEO, Oscar Munoz, he was saying, Look, this is 346 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: an issue in the industry that you don't just buy 347 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: as an airline from the supplier. That supplier bought it 348 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: from another supplier, to another supplier to another supply. It 349 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: goes down the chain and if you've got somebody low down, 350 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: who yeah, maybe operating out of a basement, selling to 351 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: one supplier, and then they keep selling it to bigger 352 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 1: and bigger guys, that as long as that documentation is. 353 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: There, nobody would really know. 354 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 1: Now it's been described as like going on Amazon and 355 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: buying a cell phone charger that comes from China that 356 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: it's not authorized by Apple, but does it work? Yeah, 357 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: maybe it's gonna light on fire, but you know, I 358 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: mean we've all done that where you go, oh, I 359 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: need a cell phone charger and you know it's not 360 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: really Apple certified, but it comes. Same kind of thing. 361 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: These nuts and bolts worked. They don't know any planes 362 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: that had any problems because of them. But at the 363 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: same time that they don't know who made them or 364 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 1: where or what they were made with. And so the 365 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: UK is investigating this company right now, how did this 366 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 1: come to light? 367 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: Do we know? Well, it's a good question. 368 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: So Bloomberg they investigated and did a lot of the 369 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: dirty work on trying to put the pieces together. But 370 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: where in the industry they started to question? This isn't 371 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: really clear. There is a lot that we don't know 372 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: yet of who this guy was. He apparently of aog 373 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 1: the probably one employee of it, the owner and employee 374 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: of it has gone off the grid. We don't know 375 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: if he's talking to investigators in the UK but he 376 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: won't talk to reporters. 377 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: This was like. 378 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: Almost like a criminal enterprise from the body appears to 379 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: be the way they secured they had fake executive photos online, 380 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: so this really was Yeah, these are fake doc am 381 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: That is a crime in every country where those engines 382 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: were running, whether they were in the US at first. 383 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: Maybe this was a regular supplier and they got bad 384 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: parts from another company. Well did eventually get to that 385 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: to go to another supplier and then another, But when 386 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: it came down to AOG and they sold to you know, 387 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 1: then they sold it on up the chain. That No, 388 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: the allegation here is that they were faking these documents 389 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: and making them seem authentic and then sending them down. 390 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: All of the airlines, by the way, say that they 391 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: have pulled them off their planes. Delta is the only 392 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: one that says that they are replacing the parts right 393 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: now to get them all off, so they're in compliance 394 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: with the FAA. But it is bringing up this whole 395 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, supply chain and the way the airline industry works. 396 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: Not that you'd know this, but obviously you can create 397 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: almost any kind of a fake document with a computer 398 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: and a printer. Yeah, I've always wondered how any documents 399 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: can be considered authentic. Yeah, I believe in the airline 400 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: industry though, there's more electronic ways to keep track of 401 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: this stuff, so if it was faked in that way 402 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: as well, and oh. 403 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: What they do with money, there's holograms. 404 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: And where stuff comes from, and that it you know, 405 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: you can pull it up in a system and know 406 00:21:59,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: it's background. 407 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 2: So they got to dig into that. 408 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: But it is you know that We've seen it in 409 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: the hospital industry where knockoff counterfeit stuff gets into the system. 410 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: We've seen it in pharmacies in different countries where somehow 411 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: in the chain of suppliers that something fakey. 412 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: Is able to get in there and be sold as real. 413 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: So it does happen. 414 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: But you know, when you're talking about an industry that's 415 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: all about safety, that's all about the FAA knowing everything, 416 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: investigating everything, wanting to know every fiber on that plane. 417 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: That this stuff could just be floating around out there, 418 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: and on airplanes that we're all flying on, it's pretty scary. 419 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 2: So this did not affect operations for these airlines much. 420 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: No, so they've been able to pull these planes down. 421 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: They were seven thirty sevens and I believe a three 422 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: twenties as well that were affected by this, and they 423 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 1: kind of quietly in the last couple of weeks before 424 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: anybody knew about it publicly, they were able to get 425 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: them off of there. 426 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 2: All right, Alex, thank you very much for that report. 427 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: You got it. 428 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, Alex done ABC News for KFI about this. Well, 429 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 3: US Airlines had been flying with fake parts on They 430 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: now say they pulled all the fake parts. Wouldn't that 431 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 3: be a prank? John to write that on the side 432 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: of a plane at the airport, AOG certified plane, This 433 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,120 Speaker 3: company that was selling parts that were not certified safe. 434 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: I guess nobody nobody's checking this stuff. Uh well, clearly 435 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: somebody did. 436 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 3: It must have been a tip that, yeah, but bring 437 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 3: into investigating the story. 438 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: Maybe this went on for years. One hundred and twenty 439 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 2: six engines around the world were found to have unapproved 440 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: parts in them. 441 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: I'm so glad I'm flying in a week or so, 442 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: I said, I'm so glad I'm flying, and. 443 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: You might have a plane full of fake parts. 444 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: I know. Oh, there's probably always something that could happen. 445 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 3: Deb we're not even aware of. 446 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 2: I'm terrified of flying to begin with. And this story 447 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: is really like making you know, and I'm gonna wear 448 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 2: three masks. I'm not wearing a mask. Ken, Are you 449 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: a basket case on a plane? No, but in my head, 450 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: I am. Yeah, have a drink, fall asleep. 451 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 3: I am an easy way to just sedate yourself. All right, 452 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 3: we got Moore coming up. Johnny kN k if I 453 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: AM six forty live everywhere. It's the iHeartRadio app. 454 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 2: And the special Brownies, Johnny Kenn. 455 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: No, I'm not going to get caught in an airport 456 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: or in a different country with edibles on me. 457 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 2: You'll never see me again. 458 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't get caught in the Middle East. Yeah, there's 459 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's like there's like a non zero chance 460 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: that she ends up calling us from prison. 461 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 4: Yeah. 462 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be good for the show. It's all about 463 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 2: the show. Well, just as long as we're your first 464 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 2: call before you call your lawyer. Like, oh, okay, okay. 465 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 5: You're listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI 466 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 5: AM six forty. 467 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: Quick follow up at Alex Stone's report about this scam. 468 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: Parts fair plane parts. 469 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, while we were talking to Alex almost at the 470 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: same moment, Daily Mail has an updated story on it 471 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: and this AOG technique supplied parts that had been used 472 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: at least one hundred and twenty six plane and these 473 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: parts were not certified. It's all forged paperwork and nobody 474 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: knows where they came from. But they have tracked down 475 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: some of the online presence of the company. For example, 476 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: on LinkedIn, they have a photo of somebody named Ray Kwang, 477 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: he's the chief commercial officer. And then on another site 478 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: there's a factory owner named Wang and it's the same guy. 479 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: It's the same photo. It's a stock photo of an 480 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: Asian businessman, so he's Ray Quaga at one site, he's 481 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: Wang in the other. And then they have a on 482 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: LinkedIn they have a woman named Martina Spencer's photo of 483 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: a blonde woman with dark rim glasses, an account manager 484 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: at aoj. Well, it turns out her same picture appears 485 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 1: in an Amazon listing for women's reading glasses. So they 486 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: just cut and pasted these random photos. They had an 487 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: address that was just a few blocks from Buckingham Palace 488 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: and a beautiful gleaming corner office building, but it turns 489 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: out they just bought a mailing address there for one 490 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars a month. 491 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 3: Do we know how many years they were doing this? 492 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 3: They were in this business of selling fake or not certified? 493 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: Me a few years if they ended up one hundred 494 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: and twenty six. I started in twenty fifteen in the 495 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: UK by somebody named Jose Alejandro Zamora Wairraala and they 496 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: think he's a thirty five year old from Venezuela. 497 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: He has not commented. Yeah, so with it was all 498 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 2: It was all fake, you know. 499 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: I guess he was scrounging maybe on the Internet and 500 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: coming up with these parts and marketed himself and the 501 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: airlines bought into it. 502 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 4: Well. 503 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 3: Speaking of fakes, the big story last week was about 504 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: a US Senator from New Jersey named Robert Menendez. They 505 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: now call him gold Bar Bob. He's accused, of course, 506 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 3: in a major federal indictment of taking brock of being corrupt, 507 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: which included gold bars. In fact, even googled how much 508 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 3: it was worth. Apparently, though, really got deep into this 509 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: because of his relationship with a woman who would become his. 510 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: Wife, Nadine Arslanian. 511 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 3: Anyway, they met each other after both of them were divorced, 512 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 3: and in twenty eighteen they were hot and heavy dating, 513 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 3: soon to be married. Well, the latest chapter on this 514 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 3: deep in the indictment, concerns this wife because she killed 515 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 3: a guy in November of twenty eighteen December of twenty eighteen. 516 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: She was driving very fast through the streets. John of Bogata, 517 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 3: New Jersey. 518 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: You know Bogata, Bagoda a bagoda, right, Yeah, it's not 519 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:46,960 Speaker 1: far for my town. 520 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: Is it upper class, lower class or ordinary middle class? 521 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 3: Well, she told police she did not see a man 522 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 3: who had stepped in front of her to cross a 523 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 3: busy street. Richard Coop was dead almost instantly. His body 524 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: was thrown to the curb just steps from his home, 525 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: badly mangled. New questions are being asked because she did stay. 526 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: It wasn't a hit and run. But when police came, 527 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 3: they gave her rather deferential treatment. They did not drug 528 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: test her, they did not alcohol test. 529 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure she played do you know who I am? 530 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 1: Do you know who I'm married to? Or who I'm 531 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: going to be married to? A US senator? 532 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 3: There are reports that she probably did make a few comments. 533 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 3: But the reason this story is getting new attention. In 534 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 3: addition to the family was never happy. The Kop family 535 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: with what happened here because it just quietly went away. 536 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: She needed a car so badly after she destroyed the 537 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 3: ones she was driving that this may have led to 538 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: one of their first bribes. There apparently was a New 539 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 3: Jersey businessman who provided her with a sixty thousand dollars 540 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: Mercedes convertible in return for getting some help for the 541 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: treatment of one of his buddies who was being criminally prosecuted. 542 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: So you see how it. 543 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 3: Works, and this may have been one of the first deals, 544 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: corrupt deals that this couple, the Menendez couple worked together. 545 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 3: Apparently she was very impatient to get a replacement car 546 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: right away, and so they just worked through the channels 547 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: and realized there was some associate of hers. We need 548 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 3: a little help for a colleague in dealing with the 549 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: critical case. 550 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: Was she complaining, It's like, look what this guy did 551 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: to my car. I mean blood go over my car. 552 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: This guy out therey you ran him over. Well, the 553 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: problem for the victim and you've pointed this out before. 554 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: This was later at night. He was drunk, actually had 555 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 3: drug and pot in his body. He apparently now his 556 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 3: life was pretty tough. He was I think between jobs 557 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: and he spent a lot of time at bars. In fact, 558 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: one bar he frequented actually dedicated a stool to him 559 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: after his death. That you that he was there a lot, Yeah, 560 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 3: because he may have popped out in front of her. 561 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: Very few sober people get run over by cars, right, 562 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 1: It's the majority are drunk and drugged up and homeless 563 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: people stumbling around. 564 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 2: I love the way they described this in the Times. 565 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: When Menendez began dating this woman in twenty eighteen, people 566 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: close to him encouraged him to walk away, concerned that 567 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Miss Menendez, unemployed and fond of flashy jewelry and designer shoes, 568 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: with a mysterious circle of friends, had champagne taste on 569 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: a beer budget. So this is what happened to him. 570 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 3: He fell in love and then this woman ensnared him 571 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 3: in a number of. 572 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: These bribe plots. 573 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 3: She apparently had these associates, some Egyptian Americans. And again 574 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 3: in the indictment, it's claiming that Menendez used his power 575 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 3: to help the Egyptian government some deals. 576 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: He was getting great sex, she was international trash and 577 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: manipulated him into giving her a flat lifestyle. Yeah, that 578 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: appears to be exactly what the look at him, He's 579 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: an old guy who looks like a troll. 580 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, recently divorced, so he's probably very lonely. Yeah, the 581 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: perfect mark. 582 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 4: Yeah. 583 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: So she sent multiple texts to this guy named Hannah 584 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: that she didn't have a car, but two friends, mister 585 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 3: Menendez and another New Jersey business that was close to 586 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 3: mister Hannah jose A Rebate, soon agreeed to terms to 587 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 3: rectify that. 588 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 2: Mister Menendez agreed to. 589 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 3: Call a senior prosecutor at the New Jersey Attorney General's 590 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 3: office to try to pressure him to go easy on 591 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 3: an associate of mister Ribey. A Rebay in turn agreed 592 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 3: to finance the car, and the text said. 593 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 2: All is great. I'm so excited to get a new car. 594 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: Next week, Miss Menendez text in a sleazy people always 595 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: have a wide array of sleazy contacts and friends. I 596 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: know they all find each other. All the criminals and 597 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,959 Speaker 1: grifters of the world. They connect. They don't even need 598 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: social media. They just know by looking at one another. 599 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 1: All right. 600 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: When we return, John Mamley's coming back on the John 601 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 3: and Ken Show. 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