WEBVTT - Disney's Villain

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<v Speaker 1>Coo Zone Media. In June of twenty twenty four, Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Schuyer had a disagreement with a coworker. It isn't clear

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<v Speaker 1>from the court records, so I couldn't tell you exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what was said. He says there was a difference of

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<v Speaker 1>opinion over a workplace matter. But he's in federal prison

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<v Speaker 1>and two of his coworkers now have restraining orders against him,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm inclined to believe there may be more to

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<v Speaker 1>the story than that. But that's all we know. That

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<v Speaker 1>minor workplace disagreement ruined Michael Schuer's life. Losing his job

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<v Speaker 1>was not only financially devastating, it was the death of

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<v Speaker 1>his lifelong dream of working for the Walt Disney Corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>And losing a job is never easy. It's a crushing blow.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to figure out how you're going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>the rent, how you're going to get healthcare, how you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to find new job. I can't speak for everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think I'm not alone in saying that it's

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<v Speaker 1>also embarrassing. It hurts your feelings, your ego takes a

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<v Speaker 1>real hit, and for some people that just isn't something

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<v Speaker 1>they can move on from I'm Molly Conger, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is weird, little guys, This is kind of a silly one.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody gets hurt, nobody dies, nothing really bad actually happened.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. I said last week that I ended up

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<v Speaker 1>with the episode that came out because I was reaching

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<v Speaker 1>around for something quick, because the story I was trying

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<v Speaker 1>trying to write just felt unwieldy and I was having

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<v Speaker 1>trouble forcing it into the right shape. Well that's where

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<v Speaker 1>we still are this week. I'm still really fighting with

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<v Speaker 1>something I think is going to take a few more

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<v Speaker 1>weeks to hammer out into any kind of actual narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we are again at the eleventh hour, and

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing but a few dozen pages of odds

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<v Speaker 1>and ends about a story that spans fifty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm scrounging around for something else. I'm not asking

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<v Speaker 1>for your sympathy for anything. You probably have a real

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<v Speaker 1>job where you make something or help people, and my

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<v Speaker 1>job is just telling you a horrible little story. But

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<v Speaker 1>all I can tell you is the truth, and the

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<v Speaker 1>truth is sometimes I have no idea how I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to force any more words out of my brain and

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<v Speaker 1>into this microphone. So all I've got this week is

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Schueer, And like I said, he didn't really hurt anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't a member of any hate groups. As far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can tell, until last summer, he had no

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<v Speaker 1>history of any criminal conduct. I couldn't find so much

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<v Speaker 1>as a speeding ticket. He was squeaky clean. He was

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<v Speaker 1>a family man, married for nearly ten years, and the

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<v Speaker 1>father of three young children. But the course of action

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<v Speaker 1>he decided on after he got fired last summer is

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<v Speaker 1>what makes him a weird little guy. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's actually a tiny example of one of the emerging

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<v Speaker 1>weird little guy archetypes. I don't have a name for

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<v Speaker 1>it yet. I don't really have the weird little guy

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<v Speaker 1>taxonomy mapped out, but patterns are starting to appear in

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<v Speaker 1>these stories. There are distinct types of weird little guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them is a kind of guy who

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<v Speaker 1>can't accept when he's wrong. More importantly, he can't accept

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<v Speaker 1>being wronged. And God help you if you have even

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<v Speaker 1>a passing encounter with this kind of guy. For some

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<v Speaker 1>of them, the perceived slight is so minor that it's

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<v Speaker 1>not something I think I would ever think about again,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone devote the rest of my life to getting

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<v Speaker 1>revenge over it. If you've listened to the whole catalog

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<v Speaker 1>of this show, you've heard about some of these guys

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking about, people like Frank Sweeney from the pair

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<v Speaker 1>of episodes back in September. Frank was a lifelong neo Nazi, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but mostly he was a con man. He ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in prison a couple of times for little frauds and cons,

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<v Speaker 1>things like putting ads in gun magazines for fancy guns

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<v Speaker 1>that he didn't actually own, and then accepting numerous buyers

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<v Speaker 1>money for these imaginary collector's items. Later in his life,

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<v Speaker 1>he cut the tails off of stray cats and sold

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<v Speaker 1>them to gullible people who thought they were buying fancy,

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<v Speaker 1>purebread hale as cats. He conned the FBI, the CIA,

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<v Speaker 1>the DOJ, and the Witness Protection Program into thinking that

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<v Speaker 1>he was helping them to apprehend an escaped Soviet spy

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<v Speaker 1>that he'd befriended in prison. He once tricked a mob

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<v Speaker 1>lawyer into flying him across the country and putting him

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<v Speaker 1>up in a nice hotel in exchange for testimony about

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<v Speaker 1>a Chicago mob boss he'd once shared a cell with.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved to lie, but more than that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>the defining characteristic of a guy like Frank Sweeney is

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<v Speaker 1>his sense of self righteous indignation. When he felt like

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<v Speaker 1>someone had wronged him, he made it his life's work

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<v Speaker 1>to get back at them, to hurt them back the

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<v Speaker 1>way they'd hurt him, and he did it in some

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<v Speaker 1>really bizarre ways. In the early nineties, when he was

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<v Speaker 1>living in an apartment in New Jersey, a family with

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<v Speaker 1>children moved into a neighboring apartment, and once he decided

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<v Speaker 1>that the neighbors were intentionally disregarding his request to keep

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<v Speaker 1>their children quiet, he made it his life's mission to

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<v Speaker 1>destroy the entire family. He spread rumors that the father

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<v Speaker 1>had HIV and that he'd given it to his children.

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<v Speaker 1>He shut off their power at random. He filled the

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<v Speaker 1>lock on their front door with staples so they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>get into their home. He had their mail routed to

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<v Speaker 1>a random address in Iowa. And he subscribed to their

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<v Speaker 1>nine year old son to pornographic magazines. And that's unhinged behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an unnecessary escalation to the problem of a

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<v Speaker 1>noisy fourth grader. And it was all because he felt

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<v Speaker 1>entitled to complete silence in his apartment and total obedience

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<v Speaker 1>from his neighbors, and two decades after that, when he

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<v Speaker 1>was already a very old man, the stranger made a

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<v Speaker 1>passing comment about how he'd parked his car at the

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<v Speaker 1>post parking lot, and instead of just letting it go,

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<v Speaker 1>like almost anyone else on earth would, he spent three

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<v Speaker 1>years stalking that woman and her entire family, sending them

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<v Speaker 1>threatening postcards, spreading rumors that they'd engaged in sexually deviant behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>that they were drug addicts and criminals, and they were

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<v Speaker 1>doing tax fraud. Three years because she commented on how

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<v Speaker 1>he had parked his car. And then there was Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Fitzpatrick from those episodes back in November. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>sovereign citizen who tried to citizens arrest an entire courthouse

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<v Speaker 1>in rural Tennessee because they wouldn't help him indict President

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama for treason. And Walter Fitzpatrick had a long

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<v Speaker 1>history of this kind of grievance motivated behavior. He'd been

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<v Speaker 1>banned from his congressman's office after the receptionist had to

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<v Speaker 1>get a restraining order against him because he refused to

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<v Speaker 1>accept that they just couldn't help him get a new trial.

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<v Speaker 1>In his Navy court martial. And then there are the

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<v Speaker 1>weird little guys who try to use the courts to

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<v Speaker 1>get their revenge, becoming vexatious litigants, filing lawsuit after lawsuit

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<v Speaker 1>against anyone who says no to them. Guys like Robert

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<v Speaker 1>Moller from a few weeks ago, the one time arms

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<v Speaker 1>dealer who shipped hundreds of guns to Neo Nazis in

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<v Speaker 1>South Africa. In his quieter older years, he seems to

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<v Speaker 1>work out his anger by filing a constant stream of

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<v Speaker 1>nuisance lawsuits. He filed a lawsuit against the hospital that

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<v Speaker 1>didn't perform his elective surgery at the exact time they'd

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled it. For lawsuits against the guys from the table

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<v Speaker 1>tennis club who asked him to stop coming around because

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<v Speaker 1>his behavior was frightening. A lawsuit against the state because

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't think it was fair that he got a

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<v Speaker 1>traffic ticket. A lawsuit against a restaurant for asking him

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<v Speaker 1>not to let his dog touch the food on the buffet.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, I'm still working on the taxonomy here,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think these are all, to some degree, the

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<v Speaker 1>same kind of guy. The common denominator is that they

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<v Speaker 1>can't handle discomfort. They can't handle someone telling them no.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't handle being wrong, they can't handle not being

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<v Speaker 1>the protagonist of reality. This is their story and we're

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<v Speaker 1>just the characters in it. We're supposed to behave the

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<v Speaker 1>way he wants us to, and if we don't, his

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<v Speaker 1>reaction is not going to be normal. And that's the

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<v Speaker 1>mold that I think Michael Schuer fits into. He isn't,

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<v Speaker 1>all things considered, really the kind of guy I'm interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>This isn't the kind of story I would normally choose

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<v Speaker 1>for an episode of this show, because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't in any kind of hate group and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hurt any But I am interested in this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy, the kind of guy whose reaction to a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty normal life event is decidedly not normal at all.

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<v Speaker 1>The kind of guy who showed no other outward signs

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<v Speaker 1>of being violent or hateful, but when confronted with an obstacle,

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly reveals a previously hidden and very peculiar interest in

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<v Speaker 1>mass shootings and swastikas. But I guess we should start

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning. Michael Scheuer loved Disney. It had always

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<v Speaker 1>been his dream to work for the company after graduating

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<v Speaker 1>from Kent State in Ohio. He moved to Orlando to

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<v Speaker 1>try to get us foot in the door. He started

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<v Speaker 1>as a janitor and worked his way up, and on

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<v Speaker 1>this front, I guess you do have to hand it

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<v Speaker 1>to him, it looks like he did the work. He

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<v Speaker 1>had a dream and he did the work to try

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<v Speaker 1>to make it come true. He had a college degree,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was willing to take an entry level job

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<v Speaker 1>making up trash at a theme park if that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it took to be close to Mickey Mouse. He continued

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<v Speaker 1>working at Disney while he earned his business degree, and

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<v Speaker 1>slowly but surely, he worked his way up from groundskeeper

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<v Speaker 1>to cast member and eventually got an office job at Disney.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty eighteen, he was working as a financial systems

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<v Speaker 1>analyst when COVID hit. His job was one of many

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<v Speaker 1>that were cut by the company, and he spent the

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<v Speaker 1>year that he was laid off trying anything he could

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<v Speaker 1>to get back in and he was eventually rehired as

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<v Speaker 1>part of the team doing technical support for computers installed

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<v Speaker 1>on Disney cruise ships, and in twenty twenty four he

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<v Speaker 1>was working on the team tasked with designing and updating

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<v Speaker 1>the menus and menu signs used at Disney theme parks

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<v Speaker 1>and resorts. In twenty twenty four, Michael Schuer's wife gave

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<v Speaker 1>birth to their third child. I don't know if Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Scheuer took advantage of the full eight weeks of paternity

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<v Speaker 1>leave that Disney claims to offer, but I do know

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<v Speaker 1>that he took paternity leave because it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>few days after returning from that leave in June of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four that the incident took place. What exactly

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<v Speaker 1>happened is in dispute. According to his defense attorney, his

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<v Speaker 1>version of events is this quote. Shortly after returning to work,

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<v Speaker 1>mister Schuyer voiced a difference of opinion to his supervisor

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<v Speaker 1>about a new process of menu creation. He believed his

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<v Speaker 1>team agreed with him, but his supervisor did not. He

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<v Speaker 1>met with his supervisor and a disagreement occurred. Mister Schuyer

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<v Speaker 1>had a panic attack during the meeting. The next supervisor

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<v Speaker 1>up the chain of command stated to mister Schuyer that

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<v Speaker 1>he did not threaten his supervisor, but that mister Scheuer

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<v Speaker 1>was going to be suspended. A sworn statement from the

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<v Speaker 1>supervisor in question, though, reads in June twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Scheuer was terminated from employment due to misconduct against

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<v Speaker 1>me in which he threatened me at work, and the

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<v Speaker 1>government was prepared to present to witness who would testify

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<v Speaker 1>that his behavior had been aggressive and threatening in the

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<v Speaker 1>meeting that led to his termination. And maybe that comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to semantics. Maybe she perceived his conduct as threatening

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<v Speaker 1>without him actually making a direct threat. That is technically

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<v Speaker 1>different in the eyes of the law. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>any reasonable person can understand that if you make your

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<v Speaker 1>supervisor feel like she is in danger, you might get fired.

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<v Speaker 1>He was initially just sent home and suspended, but after

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<v Speaker 1>he sent an email to human resources described only as

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<v Speaker 1>quote twenty four questions pertaining to the suspension, which I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure had a very normal tone, the decision was made

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<v Speaker 1>to terminate his employment with Disney. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>point at which he crossed the weird little guy rubicon.

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<v Speaker 1>He was upset. It wasn't fair. This was his dream.

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<v Speaker 1>He loved Disney, he loved working for Disney, and he

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<v Speaker 1>needed that job. He needed the health insurance, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a family to take care of. For God's sake, they

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<v Speaker 1>just didn't understand. If they would have heard him out,

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<v Speaker 1>they would understand that they were wrong to fire him,

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<v Speaker 1>but they wouldn't take his calls. He claims that he

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<v Speaker 1>was unable to find an employment lawyer willing to take

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<v Speaker 1>his case. He says he quote filed a complaint with

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<v Speaker 1>the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission but did not get

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<v Speaker 1>a quick response. He felt isolated and depressed. He did

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<v Speaker 1>not understand why nobody would speak with him. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is the explanation his attorney offered for what happened next quote,

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<v Speaker 1>he turned to what he thought would get Disney to

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<v Speaker 1>respond to him. I'm not an expert in employment law,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did look up how long it usually takes

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<v Speaker 1>to get a response from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission

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<v Speaker 1>if you file a complaint online, The law says they

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<v Speaker 1>have ten days to send notice of the complaint to

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<v Speaker 1>your former employer, and then once they do that, the

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<v Speaker 1>employer has thirty days from that date to respond to it.

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<v Speaker 1>The average complaint takes about ten months to resolve start

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<v Speaker 1>to finish. But he didn't even wait thirty days before

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<v Speaker 1>he decided to change tactics. He started trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>Disney's attention his own way less than three weeks after

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<v Speaker 1>he was fired, and so you might be thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he probably sent some weird emails to his former coworkers, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he started showing up outside the office or making

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of phone calls. And those are all reasonable guesses.

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<v Speaker 1>Those are things you might do if your stated goal

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<v Speaker 1>was to get someone's attention. No, what he decided to

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<v Speaker 1>do is much weirder, and honestly, I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks we would believe his claim that this was

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<v Speaker 1>the only thing he could think of that would get

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<v Speaker 1>them to call him again. From his lawyer quote, he

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<v Speaker 1>started altering Disney's menus to try to get their attention

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<v Speaker 1>and respond to him. Now, remember that was his job

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<v Speaker 1>before he was fired. He worked on the team responsible

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<v Speaker 1>for designing, editing, and updating the files used to print

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<v Speaker 1>the menus at restaurants and cafes at Disney parks and hotels.

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<v Speaker 1>Once the files were approved by the team at Disney,

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<v Speaker 1>the physical menus were printed by a Minnesota based print

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<v Speaker 1>and marketing company called Tailor Corporation. Just a few weeks

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<v Speaker 1>after being fired, Scheyer logged into the online application used

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<v Speaker 1>by the print company to manage the menu files. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the news coverage about this case refers to

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<v Speaker 1>what he did as hacking, in which I didn't realize

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<v Speaker 1>is technically the correct word for what happened. Hacking doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily require any particular set of skills or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not like a nineties movie where they're tippy tapping

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<v Speaker 1>on the keyboard as all the numbers flash on the screen. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it just means any unauthorized access to a computer device

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<v Speaker 1>or network. And he definitely was not authorized to be

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<v Speaker 1>logging in. But the company had actually just forgotten to

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<v Speaker 1>change the password to the administrative account, and once he

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<v Speaker 1>logged into that administrator's account, he created a new employee

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<v Speaker 1>profile for himself using a fake name, and then using

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<v Speaker 1>that account with a fake name, he logged in and

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<v Speaker 1>he went to town. He replaced all of the font

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<v Speaker 1>files for all of the menus in the system, and

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<v Speaker 1>this sounds like hell. He didn't just change the fonts

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<v Speaker 1>that were used in the text of the menus. He

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<v Speaker 1>changed the source files for all of the fonts in

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<v Speaker 1>every menu, so all of the names of the fonts

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<v Speaker 1>still appeared to be correct, but those names were now

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<v Speaker 1>connected to a corresponding file for a different font, and

0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:57.119
<v Speaker 1>he changed most of those fonts to wing dings the

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<v Speaker 1>font that's just weird little symbols. And because he'd altered

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<v Speaker 1>the files themselves, the system then started pushing out this

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<v Speaker 1>change to every single one of the thousands of files

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<v Speaker 1>ever uploaded to this system, and this rendered the entire

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<v Speaker 1>application completely useless for at least a week. And so

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<v Speaker 1>because this took the entire system offline and rendered every

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<v Speaker 1>single file useless, obviously they noticed this immediately. Disney pretty

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<v Speaker 1>quickly tracked down the source of the problem and they

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<v Speaker 1>changed all the passwords so this couldn't happen again. But

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't really stop him. So now that one avenue

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<v Speaker 1>had been closed off, he just moved to a different strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>If he couldn't log in, he would make sure no

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<v Speaker 1>one else could either. He started small targeting those immediate supervisors,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones who'd fired him, and he used their log

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<v Speaker 1>in names and entered random, incorrect passwords. These repeated bad

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<v Speaker 1>attempts to access the system, which would then trigger the

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<v Speaker 1>accounts to be locked out. At first, he was just

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<v Speaker 1>doing this manually, so you have to imagine him sitting

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<v Speaker 1>alone at his computer while his chronically ill wife is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to take care of their three young children, one

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<v Speaker 1>of whom is a newborn baby, and he's just sitting

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<v Speaker 1>there at his computer again and again and again, typing

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<v Speaker 1>in a random keyboard smash password and hitting enter over

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<v Speaker 1>it over and over again so that his old boss

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<v Speaker 1>can't access her email. Throughout August and September of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four, these attacks escalated, and he eventually wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>script to automate the process of making these thousands and

0:20:44.119 --> 0:20:49.400
<v Speaker 1>thousands of login attempts. On one day alone, he made

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<v Speaker 1>eight thousand login attempts across accounts belonging to the four

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<v Speaker 1>people that he thought were responsible for firing him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually branched out to fourteen day for An accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>all of which belonged to members of the team he'd

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<v Speaker 1>worked on before he was fired. Over the course of

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<v Speaker 1>about a month, he made one hundred thousand log in attempts,

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<v Speaker 1>locking these employees out of their accounts for days at

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<v Speaker 1>a time. And around the same time he's ramping up

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<v Speaker 1>these attacks on his former coworkers accounts, he found a

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<v Speaker 1>new way to mess with the menus Disney had changed

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<v Speaker 1>all of the passwords, so he couldn't access the application

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<v Speaker 1>that was used by the Disney production team anymore. But

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<v Speaker 1>the company that actually prints the finished menu files had

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<v Speaker 1>their own system. All finished menu files had to be

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<v Speaker 1>uploaded to the print company through a secure file transfer protocol.

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<v Speaker 1>So he made his own menu files and uploaded them

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<v Speaker 1>directly to the printer. His initial attempt to get Disney's

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<v Speaker 1>attention had made the menus unusable. They had nonsense fonts,

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.280
<v Speaker 1>they would load the image files, or they just came

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<v Speaker 1>up as blank pages, so everyone noticed this. This was

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<v Speaker 1>a very obvious attempt, But this time around he was

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more subtle. If you're just looking quickly at

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<v Speaker 1>these files, you wouldn't notice there was anything wrong. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>they might have even made it all the way through

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<v Speaker 1>a proofreading process if you weren't being really meticulous. Because

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<v Speaker 1>he's just changing individual words. He's changing the prices by

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<v Speaker 1>a dollar or two. He removed an asterisk, he changed

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<v Speaker 1>the QR codes. They're just little changes, almost like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't want them to notice this time, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>some of them are kind of funny. I mean, overall, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a bad situation. He should not have done

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<v Speaker 1>any of this, But if he'd just stuck with immature

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.159
<v Speaker 1>little jokes, the whole story would have a really different tone,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's hard to be mad about stuff like changing

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<v Speaker 1>cheesy grits to cheesy shits on the menu for a

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<v Speaker 1>cafe at Disney's old Key West resort, or changing shellfish

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<v Speaker 1>to hellfish, or changing the description of an English breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>tea from a psalm tea to just ass tea. Is

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit funny. I'm not mad imagining an old

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<v Speaker 1>couple in Key West seeing cheesy shits on their menu.

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<v Speaker 1>It's whatever. But unfortunately, most of the changes were not

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<v Speaker 1>funny swear words. Most of the changes were modifications to

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<v Speaker 1>the allergen information on menu items across multiple dining locations,

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<v Speaker 1>removing alerts on menu items that contained potentially fatal food

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<v Speaker 1>allergens like peanuts. On other menus, he altered the region

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<v Speaker 1>listed for wine selections. That one sounds mostly harmless to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a wine snob, so I don't really care where

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<v Speaker 1>the grapes were grown. I'm not going to pretend I

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<v Speaker 1>can taste the difference. But he swapped out the actual

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<v Speaker 1>locations for places where well known mass shootings have occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>In one case, the shooting had been painfully recent. He

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.560
<v Speaker 1>swapped out Willamette Valley. On one wine for Appalachi High

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<v Speaker 1>an unmistakable reference to a school shooting in Georgia that

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<v Speaker 1>it only just happened the week that he did that.

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<v Speaker 1>On another menu, he uploaded a small image of a swastika.

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<v Speaker 1>He would later claim that he never actually intended for

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<v Speaker 1>any of these altered files to get printed. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that he knew Disney employees reviewed every file and that

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<v Speaker 1>they would catch the alterations before they went to the printer.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't actually trying to poison any children with peanut allergies.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.680
<v Speaker 1>He just wanted Disney to call him. He didn't want

0:25:08.680 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>these menus to end up in anyone's hands. He just

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 1>wanted attention. But that claim falls apart. By the time

0:25:16.560 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>he switched to a new mode of attack, he uploaded

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.439
<v Speaker 1>altered files directly into the server that functioned as the

0:25:23.480 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 1>print queue for the company that printed the menus. So

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>by that point in the process, the printer is receiving

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<v Speaker 1>what they believe to be a file that has been

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<v Speaker 1>proofed and approved and is ready to print. And they did,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact print thousands of these altered menus and signs.

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<v Speaker 1>Although by the time they did print these the investigation

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:48.520
<v Speaker 1>was coming to an end, and the affected items were

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.760
<v Speaker 1>destroyed before they were shipped out, and he wasn't hard

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to catch. Immediately after the initial unauthorized access was detected,

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<v Speaker 1>Disney launched an internal investigation. Multiple employees interviewed during this

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<v Speaker 1>process brought up the fact that Michael Scheuer had just

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<v Speaker 1>been fired. Further investigation showed the attacks had all been

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<v Speaker 1>made by someone using a VPN to mask their IP address,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they looked further back into company logs, they

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<v Speaker 1>found that before he was fired, Michael Scheuer had accessed

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>his work email from home, and when he did that,

0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he had his VPN on, so he managed to mask

0:26:31.040 --> 0:26:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the true IP address of his home computer, but because

0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.320
<v Speaker 1>he used the same VPN throughout, he was still using

0:26:38.320 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 1>an IP address that was provably connected to him. On

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<v Speaker 1>September twenty third, twenty twenty four, multiple members of the

0:26:47.960 --> 0:26:51.719
<v Speaker 1>menu production team were locked out of their accounts again.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone was making hundreds and hundreds of attempts to access

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<v Speaker 1>their accounts using incorrect passwords. At twelve forty one pm

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that afternoon, FBI agents knocked on Michael Schuer's front door.

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<v Speaker 1>They had a warrant to search his home and seize

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>his computers. At twelve forty six pm, the wave of

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:21.600
<v Speaker 1>login attempts suddenly stopped and it never started again. Two

0:27:21.680 --> 0:27:27.000
<v Speaker 1>minutes after that, Michael Schuyer answered his front door. He

0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.879
<v Speaker 1>claimed he was surprised to see the FBI there, but

0:27:30.960 --> 0:27:33.440
<v Speaker 1>he made a strange comment that he wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 1>surprised if it was the local sheriff there to tell

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 1>him to stop sending emails that might be interpreted as threatening.

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what that means. That never comes

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:49.000
<v Speaker 1>up again. He told the FBI agents that sure, he

0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:52.439
<v Speaker 1>definitely used his home computer to access systems related to

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.439
<v Speaker 1>his job when he still worked there, and maybe he

0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.440
<v Speaker 1>logged into some work related stuff after he was fired,

0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:02.199
<v Speaker 1>just to get his old pays st ubs, things like that,

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>but he couldn't think of any reason why they'd be

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>there asking him questions like that, And when they explained

0:28:09.280 --> 0:28:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to him why they were there and what they were investigating,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the outright denied having done anything of the sort. And

0:28:17.080 --> 0:28:21.520
<v Speaker 1>then he speculated that maybe Disney was framing him because

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:26.160
<v Speaker 1>they were worried about him. The FBI took his computers

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>with him that day, but they didn't make an arrest.

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>A few days later, Michael Scheuer hired an attorney and

0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 1>checked himself into an impatient mental health facility. Meanwhile, the

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:42.200
<v Speaker 1>FBI was still building their case against him, including getting

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:47.240
<v Speaker 1>a search warrant for his Google account. Then, on October

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty second, twenty twenty four, a month after they searched

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:54.280
<v Speaker 1>his house, Michael Schuer received an automated notice from Google

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that they'd been served with a warrant for his account

0:28:57.600 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and they would be complying with the order to turn

0:28:59.680 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>over him account information. Now, I imagine that's a really

0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 1>scary email to get. I'm not sure what my initial

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>reaction would be in that situation. The right answer if

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>this happens to you is to call a lawyer. The

0:29:15.600 --> 0:29:21.719
<v Speaker 1>extremely wrong answer is to then type please explain this

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>to me at the top of the email, and then

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 1>forward that email to the FBI agent who was just

0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.960
<v Speaker 1>at your house, and then follow that up with another

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:33.720
<v Speaker 1>email the next day demanding that the agent loop in

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.040
<v Speaker 1>the victim of the crime on the conversation so you

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>can get some answers about what's going on here. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>an even worse course of action in this situation would

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 1>be to then drive to your former boss's house in

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.440
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night and stand on his front

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:51.360
<v Speaker 1>porch making a thumbs up at his security camera, and

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>then just walking away. It's hard to say what you

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>would do in a stressful situation that you have never

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>experienced before. I don't want a Monday morning quarterback here.

0:30:03.600 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I like to think that I would just call a lawyer.

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that I would do all that other stuff.

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>But that is what Michael Scheyer did. The day after

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>he paid that ominous visit to his former supervisor, the

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:22.920
<v Speaker 1>FBI rode up and filed the criminal complaint. Whatever timeline

0:30:22.960 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>they'd had in mind was irrelevant. Now this guy was

0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>behaving unpredictably and they needed to go ahead and make

0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the arrest, probably in large part because he made that

0:30:33.520 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>strange nighttime visit to his former boss's house and then

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the subsequent restraining orders granted to two of his former supervisors.

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<v Speaker 1>He was held without bond. After two months in jail,

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<v Speaker 1>he entered a plea agreement. He pled guilty to computer

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<v Speaker 1>hacking and identity theft, and was sentenced to thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>months in prison during the three year period of supervised release.

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<v Speaker 1>After he gets out. He's not allowed to have any

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<v Speaker 1>contact with any of his victims. So that's those fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>co workers and the Disney Corporation in the grand scheme

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<v Speaker 1>of weird little guys. This is all pretty minor. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>really got hurt. It cost about one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars to reprint the affected materials, and Disney estimates

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<v Speaker 1>that the ordeal cost them about six hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in total. I have to admit I don't particularly care

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<v Speaker 1>if the Walt Disney Corporation lost half a million dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>If the alterations hadn't been caught and those menus had

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<v Speaker 1>been sent out to the restaurants, someone could have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>seriously hurt. But they didn't, and according to Michael Schouer,

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<v Speaker 1>he knew they wouldn't. I don't know that that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's impossible to say at this point. But again, in

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<v Speaker 1>the end, nothing really happened, did it. I initially came

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<v Speaker 1>across this case during my regular search for newly filed

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<v Speaker 1>cases containing certain keywords I like to look for. I

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<v Speaker 1>think in this case it was the word swastika. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't actually really think that this guy's a Nazi.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have any other evidence that points to that

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<v Speaker 1>swastika being a larger part of his life. When the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI came and took his computer away, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>file on his desktop called swastika dot png. He must

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<v Speaker 1>have googled the word swastika and then saved the image

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<v Speaker 1>that he wanted to use on the menu. It kind

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<v Speaker 1>of reminds me of early four chan culture. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>mean the four Chan of today. I mean way back

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<v Speaker 1>in the day before those guys were genuinely sincere neo

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis and mass murder enthusiasts. A lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>just shit talking. They wanted to be extreme, they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be edgy. They wanted to post the most shocking,

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<v Speaker 1>fucked up stuff they could think of because that was

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<v Speaker 1>funny or thrilling or interesting. I guess so, I'm inclined

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<v Speaker 1>to believe he put the swastika on the menu because

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<v Speaker 1>it was the worst thing he could think of, not

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<v Speaker 1>because he actually liked it. I mean, I hope that's

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<v Speaker 1>the case. I'm a little less generous when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the mass shooting thing, though. That's odd to me.

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<v Speaker 1>That feels like a manifestation of some nascent interest. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that that's something that would come immediately to

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<v Speaker 1>mind if you're just trolling and you have no existing

0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>preoccupation with mass shootings. You know. But that's just my gut.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no evidence of anything at all about his motivations.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the only thing he ever did. He crashed

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<v Speaker 1>out at work, and it sent him into a tailspin

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<v Speaker 1>that ended in federal prison. The only glimpse into Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Schuer's motivation that I can offer you is this Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>post he made just a few days before the FBI

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<v Speaker 1>showed up at his house for the first time. On

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<v Speaker 1>a subreddit for people with social anxiety. He made a

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<v Speaker 1>post with the title reaching the end question mark. It's long,

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<v Speaker 1>but it reads in part, the people involved in firing

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<v Speaker 1>me treated me like a criminal, me who is afraid

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<v Speaker 1>of everyone and just wants to blend into the background.

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.120
<v Speaker 1>I was blown away how absolutely nobody cared about me.

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<v Speaker 1>Not one person from work reached out to check on me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure part of the reason is because I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>man and everyone just assumed I don't need anyone. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the other part is because I'm an awkward asshole. I

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<v Speaker 1>have no friends, no work connections, nothing I've already determined

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<v Speaker 1>I will never work again. Nobody cares about me. He

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to say that he started therapy earlier that year,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he got fired, he realized it was too late,

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<v Speaker 1>too late for what is unclear, too late to change,

0:35:02.560 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 1>too late to make anything of his life. It has

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<v Speaker 1>a vaguely suicidal tone, but he doesn't actually express a

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>desire to harm himself. On the contrary, he seems fixated

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<v Speaker 1>on harming others, writing quote, every day since I was fired,

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:24.760
<v Speaker 1>I sit around fuming, planning revenge because I feel so wronged.

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<v Speaker 1>But then I remember, maybe they aren't the problem. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's me. I've always been afraid of everybody, but it's

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>everybody that's been afraid of me. And there it is,

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:45.320
<v Speaker 1>isn't it. He said it himself because I feel so wronged.

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<v Speaker 1>It's remarkably self aware. It reminds me a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what Frank Sweeney said when the cops finally searched his

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<v Speaker 1>house and discovered he'd been the one sending those threatening

0:35:56.800 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 1>postcards all those years. He just didmitted it. He said

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<v Speaker 1>that woman in the parking lot had made him feel embarrassed,

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>and it made him feel better to know that he

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>was causing her distress and return. Being a weird little

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:16.840
<v Speaker 1>guy is something that exists on a spectrum. I think

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:23.440
<v Speaker 1>some of them are truly monsters. They kill, name, torture,

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<v Speaker 1>and terrorize. They carry out mass shootings and blow up

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>synagogues and daycares. They're trying to start a race war,

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 1>they want to barricade themselves on a compound and shoot

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<v Speaker 1>it out with the police, or they just want to

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<v Speaker 1>gain enough political power to punish their enemies. Those are

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<v Speaker 1>the guys I was thinking about when I started the show.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are weird little guys out there who are

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<v Speaker 1>much much littler, guys whose behavior fits the archetype but

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>only registers a little blit on the radar. And those

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<v Speaker 1>are the kinds of guys you're most likely to meet

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<v Speaker 1>one day, God willing, most of us will never meet

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<v Speaker 1>a mass shooter, but you probably will eventually encounter the

0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of guy who just can't take no for an answer,

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<v Speaker 1>so he puts a swastika on the menu at the

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