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Speaker 1: the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back. I'm

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Speaker 1: Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and Matt As we

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Speaker 1: will continue to do here probably throughout the month. We'll

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Speaker 1: continue talking draft here on the Drive and um kind

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Speaker 1: previous segment. ESPN's Jordan Reed Matt Miller went through all

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Speaker 1: here's what they Here's what they list of Steelers need

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I look at the rest

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Speaker 1: is is every snap that was played, what's the average

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Speaker 1: And you have to get out of his other contract.

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