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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Stephane

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Speaker 1: never told your protection to I Heeart Radio, and welcome

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Speaker 1: to a another edition of Happy Hour. As always, drink

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Speaker 1: responsibly if you choose to do so, and I'm very

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Speaker 1: happy that Samantha is back back back. What was funny

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Speaker 1: is like, I think I cursed myself because last time

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Speaker 1: when we recorded, I was sick, and we have like

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Speaker 1: talked about this. I'm like, but you know, because we

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Speaker 1: just keep going because you know, you can sit You're fine.

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Speaker 1: But then I had such an awful dizzy migrain and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can't sit up right. Then

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Speaker 1: I cursed myself. I'm like, oh, this is what I'm

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Speaker 1: going to be like, I'm canceling because I am sick, sick,

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Speaker 1: So I'm back. Though I don't sound wonderful, I sound better,

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Speaker 1: but I'm upright. You are upright? You know that's that? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Actually that kind of relates to what we're talking about

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Speaker 1: today in a way. Um, but I'm assuming what are

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Speaker 1: you sipping on, Samantha. I shall make no assumptions. I

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Speaker 1: think you you are correct in your assumption that I'm

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Speaker 1: not drinking once again because uh, seasonal stuff, but also

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Speaker 1: if I'm sick, I'm usually staying away from that. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy my hot dotty with some whiskey because

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Speaker 1: I'm like, let's not, let's not be an alcohol to this. Also,

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Speaker 1: I'm drinking the classic Roadcoat with my shatrone mixed. That's

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Speaker 1: the ginger lemon and orange pills with honey, and it's

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Speaker 1: but not really because it's some like sixty I think,

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Speaker 1: been disappointing. Yeah, like this winter, like it went cold

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Speaker 1: I don't go out that often outside, I was expecting

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Speaker 1: It was quite warm. Actually, I am once again drinking

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Speaker 1: my bottled bottled boxed red wine in my trying to

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Speaker 1: be fancy. No, thank you. A box will do me

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Speaker 1: just just fine. From the lovely tumbler that you gave

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Speaker 1: me so that I can read fan fiction in bed.

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Yes, I have specifically bought it

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Speaker 1: for you so that you did you were less likely

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Speaker 1: It's a great gift. So today this is actually an

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Speaker 1: episode I've had on my mind for a while. We're

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Speaker 1: This is going to be very anecdotal between us um

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Speaker 1: But I also feel sorry if I'm there on time

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Speaker 1: Like it's definitely a self esteem thing, but it's also

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Speaker 1: one of those things which we've talked about before. You know.

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Speaker 1: oftentimes I'm like, Matt, Wow, why did I let it

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