WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Navigating Media Criticism with Drew Holden

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>And welcome to the new time slot. The Carol Markowitz

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<v Speaker 2>Show is moving to Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>get my non political podcast this show, The Carol Markowitz

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<v Speaker 2>Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political

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<v Speaker 2>podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday

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<v Speaker 2>and Thursday. You only don't get me on Mondays. Sorry

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<v Speaker 2>about that. So I got a DM from a listener

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<v Speaker 2>who writes, Hi, Carol, I love the show and that

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<v Speaker 2>you take questions. My daughter is sixteen, a junior in

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<v Speaker 2>high school, and while she has friends that she sees

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<v Speaker 2>in school, her calendar is completely open. She never has

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<v Speaker 2>plans on the weekends or after school. She's mostly in

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<v Speaker 2>her room and she seems lonely. What's interesting is that

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<v Speaker 2>when I talk to friends, they say their kids also

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<v Speaker 2>never see their friends outside of school. Is this normal?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you suggest mean to say? These kids are

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<v Speaker 2>having a completely different experience than I had as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd get home, spend five seconds doing my homework, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be out the door to hang out with friends.

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<v Speaker 2>It really has changed. I see that in the teenagers

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<v Speaker 2>around me as well. I don't want to say the

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<v Speaker 2>obvious social media destroyed our real life relationships, because while

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<v Speaker 2>I think that plays a role, I don't think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole story. And as I've written before, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think I talked about on here, these teenagers are barely

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<v Speaker 2>using social media anymore. They're really just watching TV on

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<v Speaker 2>their phones, like they're not socializing. They're not commenting in

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<v Speaker 2>each other's walls, they're not posting pictures, they're watching little

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<v Speaker 2>videos and it's the equivalent of coming home from school

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<v Speaker 2>and just sitting in front of the TV. But I

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<v Speaker 2>also don't think that's the whole story. My mind also

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<v Speaker 2>went to college prep for juniors, SATs and all that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I very clearly remember hanging out with my friends

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<v Speaker 2>in high school, even when we were studying for the SAT.

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<v Speaker 2>So what has changed? I do think it's our phones again,

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<v Speaker 2>in part, not social media specifically, but just the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that our teens are in touch with their friends all

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<v Speaker 2>the time and don't actually have to see them to

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<v Speaker 2>have a connection. That's a huge change from our childhoods

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<v Speaker 2>Putting aside that we didn't have, you know, cell phones

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<v Speaker 2>with us all the time. I couldn't spend the afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone my best friend. It just I would

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<v Speaker 2>be tying up the house phone line. Even when I

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<v Speaker 2>got my own line, which was a big, big deal,

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to imagine that our phone calls wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>planned to see each other. My advice, more than anything else,

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<v Speaker 2>and not just about this, but about a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>problems that kids have, is to help your kids find community.

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<v Speaker 2>That is really not easy to do, and I have

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<v Speaker 2>struggled with this at different points in my life. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to have kind of a built in people that

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<v Speaker 2>you and your kids spend time with. Yes, that's not

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<v Speaker 2>always the way it works out. Your kids could easily

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<v Speaker 2>also hit their teens and not be interested in the

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<v Speaker 2>community you fostered. I've seen that happen, but I still

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<v Speaker 2>think that step one, what are you doing on the weekends?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you seeing friends? You get together with friends who

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<v Speaker 2>have kids your kids age, and you do something together,

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<v Speaker 2>and that fosters a connection you probably have to host.

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<v Speaker 2>It will take effort. The other thing is to encourage

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<v Speaker 2>your kids into activities where they will see their friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I am a free range parent, I really am, and

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<v Speaker 2>I get the argument that not every minute of the

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<v Speaker 2>kid's day needs to be planned and scheduled, and they

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<v Speaker 2>should just hang out together and just do nothing and

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<v Speaker 2>kick rocks around. I agree, but that's not what the

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<v Speaker 2>other kids are doing. A few years ago, I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>that at a certain age, my kids at the playground

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<v Speaker 2>would be the only kids there that age, because everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else would be in after school activities or doing sports

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<v Speaker 2>or something. It's also less awkward than making plans to

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<v Speaker 2>have activities that they just go to. What do their

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<v Speaker 2>friends do after school or on weekends? Motivate your kids

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<v Speaker 2>towards that. I also think that every group of friends

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<v Speaker 2>needs a cruise director who organizes them. Some group of

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<v Speaker 2>friends don't have that, and I think that makes it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot tougher to hang out. You can encourage your

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<v Speaker 2>daughter to be the one to organize stuff a dinner, bowling,

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<v Speaker 2>really anything. I wrote about teenage loneliness and the jump

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<v Speaker 2>and depression a few years ago for The Post, I wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>the lives of our modern youth should be pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>They have all the information in the world on devices

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<v Speaker 2>they carry in their pockets. They have plenty of opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>to make friends instantaneously, something the older generation finds increasingly difficult,

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<v Speaker 2>and notwithstanding with the insurgent Democratic socialists to keep telling

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<v Speaker 2>us this is a time of unparalleled prosperity. The unemployment

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<v Speaker 2>rate is four percent. Most American families enjoy conveniences that

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<v Speaker 2>would have been unthinkable to most human generations across across

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<v Speaker 2>most of history. Life should be grand, but perhaps those

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<v Speaker 2>very conveniences are the source of youth anguish. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>prosperity has decreased a bit since I wrote that, But

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<v Speaker 2>the point stands, our kids have all these possibilities, but

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<v Speaker 2>they don't always know how to capture them. We help

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<v Speaker 2>our kids with so many things. I think teaching them

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<v Speaker 2>how to socialize, especially since they have a phone standing

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<v Speaker 2>in the way, is something parents should just definitely do.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to teach our kids how to make friends,

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<v Speaker 2>how to make plans, all of that before we send

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<v Speaker 2>them off into the world and have them do it

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<v Speaker 2>for themselves. And yes, you might think that sixteen is

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<v Speaker 2>a little old to be doing that, but if the

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<v Speaker 2>alternative is your kids sitting home alone, maybe step in

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<v Speaker 2>and help. I'd love your questions and comments at Carol

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<v Speaker 2>Maarkowitz Show at gmail dot com. That's ka rl mr

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<v Speaker 2>kow Icz Show at gmail dot com. Coming up after

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<v Speaker 1>Today, Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>My guest today is Drew Holden. Drew is the author

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<v Speaker 1>of the Holden Court substack and well known for his

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<v Speaker 1>blistering Threads on X my favorite. Hi Drew, so nice

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<v Speaker 1>to have.

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<v Speaker 3>You on Carol the Pleasure's Mind. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>and for the kind words about the threads. Blistering. I

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<v Speaker 3>think blistering sometimes fair in mild mannered guys. I hope

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<v Speaker 3>I don't disappoint, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, mild mannerd is what comes across, for sure. I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're very thorough and that also come across like

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<v Speaker 1>you do the work as they as the kids say

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<v Speaker 1>these days. So how did you get into the concept

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<v Speaker 1>of going to destroy the media with threads on X?

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<v Speaker 1>Where did that idea come from?

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<v Speaker 3>It's a funny question, you know. I was actually I

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<v Speaker 3>remember it was probably four or five years ago. I

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<v Speaker 3>was working in public affairs. I was coming back from

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<v Speaker 3>a client meeting up in New York and I was

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<v Speaker 3>on the AM track and the news broke that Don

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<v Speaker 3>Imis had passed away, right, the famous radio commentator. And

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<v Speaker 3>I remember I saw because I saw there was probably

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<v Speaker 3>a Washington poster New York Times headline where they just

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<v Speaker 3>trashed who like again he made a really awful racist

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<v Speaker 3>comment about the Rutgers women's basketball team. He was a

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<v Speaker 3>firebrand in general. But I always kind of thought, like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when people died, they died, right, yeah, hould

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<v Speaker 3>them up in kind of a charitable light, or at

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<v Speaker 3>least not a not an overly critical light. And every

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<v Speaker 3>single headline I went through just trash Iynus and thrashed Iynus.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, man, who is who is someone who

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<v Speaker 3>we could both look at and say, this person is worse? Right,

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<v Speaker 3>setting aside politics, setting aside, you know, all the issues

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<v Speaker 3>of the day. Who could be worse? And so I

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<v Speaker 3>went through and found a couple of terrorists, right, so

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<v Speaker 3>how By Dottie was one of them, and then there

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<v Speaker 3>were a couple others. Sky put yeah exactly, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I put them side by side on Twitter. I was

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<v Speaker 3>using Twitter very rarely. I get into to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>keep tabs on the news, and I put them side

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<v Speaker 3>by side, same outlets, same headlines, and it for whatever

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<v Speaker 3>I had like maybe twelve hundred followers or something, and

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<v Speaker 3>it just it blew up I had. I had all

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<v Speaker 3>of this engagement, and all these people were really to me,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's something here, And I think what what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of occurred to me is even in this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of silly sort of example, it's very obvious to people

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<v Speaker 3>when you put these things side by side that something

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have that's something here is a miss right. And

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think anyone was doing that, or at least wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't have as many screenshots in their phones as

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<v Speaker 3>I did. Right even before that, I would see these things.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just kind of I guess I'm I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a hoarder or maybe a clutter shot. I yeah, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to clear up some space before I joined

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<v Speaker 3>this podcast actually because I just have too many screenshots.

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<v Speaker 3>I could do not have too many screenshots on my phone,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I thought, I was like, I think there's

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<v Speaker 3>something here, right, And this was you know, this is

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<v Speaker 3>this was the you know, during Trump's time in office, right,

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<v Speaker 3>the media I think was having a moment.

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<v Speaker 4>To put it mildly, I was yeah, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if nothing else kind of in like an

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<v Speaker 4>archaeological sort of sense, I would like to capture this,

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<v Speaker 4>like I think I think these things are going to

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<v Speaker 4>look really bad.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not right now today, the certainly down the road,

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<v Speaker 3>and in general, I don't think it takes I think

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<v Speaker 3>you can just show people these things. They'll be able

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<v Speaker 3>to connect the dots that again, something here just isn't

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<v Speaker 3>quite right. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you get a lot of pushback?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. One of the weirdest things I was talking

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<v Speaker 3>to push on.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I ask.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's fair. I don't want to toot

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<v Speaker 3>my own horn here too much. But I'm always kind

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<v Speaker 3>of flummoxed at the fact that I don't have more

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<v Speaker 3>people who are hating on me, right, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely maybe after this show, maybe well yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you've got some good haters on the internet, so

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they find their way to me. But I think

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's probably two things. One is, I think

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<v Speaker 3>that when you hold up the examples and the screen shots,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really really hard to dispute one. Two, And I

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<v Speaker 3>think I think it deserves pointing out. I'm also shooting

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<v Speaker 3>at a target that probably isn't inclined to shoot back. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just like a policy fight or something where

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<v Speaker 3>I have a disagreement with someone the press, as much

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<v Speaker 3>as I may malign them, you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>the way that they cover certain things, I think is

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<v Speaker 3>a noble enough institution where the idea, in most cases,

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<v Speaker 3>of getting in a shooting war with this random guy

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<v Speaker 3>on Twitter probably doesn't appeal to the sensibilities of most people.

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<v Speaker 3>I did one time, the only time that sticks out

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<v Speaker 3>to me when I actually faced like real meaningful pushback,

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<v Speaker 3>was an editor at the Washington Post, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>my threads that I did probably four years ago now

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<v Speaker 3>commented and disputed the way I had categorized a piece

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<v Speaker 3>because I called it news and she said it was

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<v Speaker 3>actually analysis. And to me, all question does is highlight

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<v Speaker 3>the problem with news analysis as built by places like

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<v Speaker 3>the Arty to Post. Right, If you're saying it is

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<v Speaker 3>analysis as something distinct from news, why is analysis categorizing

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<v Speaker 3>your news pieces? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Why isn't it in the opinion section? That would make

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<v Speaker 1>sense there?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, So I that was kind of the one

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<v Speaker 3>example where I really think about someone someone from the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, from within the cathedral kind of pushback, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think maybe did not avail herself of the best

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<v Speaker 3>tact to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, that's a that's really interesting that you decided

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a separate category called analysis that doesn't somehow

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<v Speaker 1>go into the opinion section. But if I think all

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<v Speaker 1>of its opinion, I think they should just be more

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<v Speaker 1>honest about it. And journalists don't love when I say that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think it's true. I think we're all writing

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<v Speaker 1>our opinion, and some of us are honest about it

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<v Speaker 1>and some of us aren't.

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<v Speaker 3>So Yeah, Unfortunately, I think there's there's quite a bit

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<v Speaker 3>to be extrapolated from the confluence of news and analysis,

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<v Speaker 3>And I would love to sit down with like the

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<v Speaker 3>editorial newsroom and be like, how do we think about

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<v Speaker 3>these things? Yeah? What what is? What should news be? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>What should the thing you are presenting to regular readers

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<v Speaker 3>is removed from opinion? At? Really? Look like I think

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<v Speaker 3>they have a really fascinating one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you've had a tumultuous few years. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that for anybody who doesn't know your story, can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell us a little about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So, you know, back in early twenty twenty, probably

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<v Speaker 3>I started getting these thakes, and you know, it was

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<v Speaker 3>twenty so there's a part of me that was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's probably this is just what approaching

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<v Speaker 3>thirty is like I'm getting older, my body is changing.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I've just got to kind of make peace

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<v Speaker 3>with that. And so I, you know, at first it

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<v Speaker 3>just started I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that thirty was like You're like, well, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is where it all goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Down here, you know, Hey, I mean I was I

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<v Speaker 3>should have been the wiser, but I wasn't. But yes,

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<v Speaker 3>an uncharitable perhaps a description of my age at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was, you know, I started getting these headaches,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it was I'd get these headaches and I

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<v Speaker 3>would be dizzy and have balance issues and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>quite figure out for a couple of months what all

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<v Speaker 3>was going on. And you, my then girlfriend now fiance,

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<v Speaker 3>had pushed me a lot to say, you should go

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<v Speaker 3>see a neurologist, like it's it's not normal that you

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<v Speaker 3>can't wake up without taking etc. Before you go to

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<v Speaker 3>work to be able to get out of bed. Like this,

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<v Speaker 3>I get. You don't love doctors, you don't love hospitals,

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<v Speaker 3>which admittedly I didn't, and so I just kind of

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<v Speaker 3>bit the bullet and tried to be a man, be

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<v Speaker 3>tough and YadA, YadA, YadA, and so I pushed it

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<v Speaker 3>off I pushed it off, and then eventually, I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the headaches got worse, the symptoms got worse, and I

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<v Speaker 3>told her, you know, mostly to kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>address her concerns and address my mother's concerns and plenty

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<v Speaker 3>of other you know, people in my life I talked to.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, I'll go to the eye doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Right the eye dot. Maybe it's an issue in my contacts.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see, We'll see how it plays up. So I

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<v Speaker 3>go to an eye doctor as a new one. God

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<v Speaker 3>blessed me. He did a really excellent job, and I

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<v Speaker 3>told him I've been having these headaches. So he took

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<v Speaker 3>a look behind my eye and the are kind of lighthearted,

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<v Speaker 3>banter dropped. He gave me more specific instructions to look

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<v Speaker 3>this way, look that way, and then eventually he flipped

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<v Speaker 3>around the screen he was looking at, which is a picture,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said, you're hemorrhaging around your own nerves. Said

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, you need to go to see a doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>like you need to go to the hospital yesterday about this.

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<v Speaker 3>There's there's something very wrong. I didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 3>the healthcare system. I was like, can you write me

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<v Speaker 3>a can you write me a script or referral so

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<v Speaker 3>I can go. He goes wait in the waiting room.

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<v Speaker 3>This might be over dramatic, but I'm going to call

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<v Speaker 3>you an ambulance and they're going to take you to Astor.

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<v Speaker 3>And he's like, doctor, but you know that doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's like, here, I haven't paid enough attention to

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<v Speaker 3>the people who probably know better on this than I do.

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<v Speaker 3>Why didn't I just sit down and shut up for

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<v Speaker 3>like the first time probably in my medical history. And

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<v Speaker 3>so flash forward. I go to the doctor. They realized

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<v Speaker 3>that I was indeed emerging around my optic nerve. The

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<v Speaker 3>reason was that I wasn't reabsorbing cerebro spinal fluid back

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<v Speaker 3>into my brain, and so it was building up in

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<v Speaker 3>the back of my head and putting pressure on my

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<v Speaker 3>optic nerve. They recommended surgery, which went as well as

0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.000
<v Speaker 3>you could have hoped. I had basically a burhole drilled

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<v Speaker 3>in my brain to at least the pressure and thought

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<v Speaker 3>that would be everything. That was in maybe May of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty two, and so I thought, Okay, we're set,

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<v Speaker 3>We're done. I had this brain surgery really weird, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know I was I was back in the gym.

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<v Speaker 3>I was getting ready to go back to work. I

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<v Speaker 3>was running and I went in for my thirty follow

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<v Speaker 3>out to that surgery and surgeon neurosurgeon who done surgery

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<v Speaker 3>originally called me and he said, hey, we do and

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<v Speaker 3>there's a ship. It turns out that shoto that was

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<v Speaker 3>a brain tumor.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the day for my Wow, So what is

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<v Speaker 1>what happened then?

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<v Speaker 3>That resolved? Yeah, you know, obviously the tough news to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Talked to doctor Johns Fonpkins, who I've been working with Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 3>They determined a course of chemo, so I you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they took a look at it. They realized it was inoperable.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like right smack in the center of my brain,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they sat down and kind of talked me

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<v Speaker 3>through what chemo would look like. I had a port

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<v Speaker 3>put into my chest so I could have an IV

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<v Speaker 3>line straight through there, and then I did probably four

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<v Speaker 3>months of chemotherapy, which you know, thank god, it worked

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<v Speaker 3>and my body was super responsive to the chemo. The

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<v Speaker 3>tour was super responsive to the chemo, and my body

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<v Speaker 3>actually handled it quite well relative to you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>horror stories you hear about chemo and then I started radiation.

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<v Speaker 3>I did that for about two months and that also

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<v Speaker 3>worked really well. By the end of it, I was

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<v Speaker 3>declared cancer free. So as of now a year in

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<v Speaker 3>a remission, uh those signs of tumor, no signs of cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>I still get to go back and get check ups.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, there's still a lot I'm working on. I

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<v Speaker 3>had to go through physical therapy to kind of figure

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<v Speaker 3>out how best to walk normally. Again, my extemporaneous ability

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of speak off the cuff isn't what it

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<v Speaker 3>once was. But I'm I think I'm back around a

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<v Speaker 3>year later to a point where most of my intellectual

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<v Speaker 3>and balanced shortcomings are my own, as opposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>induced by the cancer, which I'm fably fortunate to.

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<v Speaker 1>Meaner about it. Thank you jokes about brain cancer.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's you know, that's that's fair. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I did find throughout the process. And again

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to I don't want to say this

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<v Speaker 3>as in like, oh, I'm just a you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>uniquely tough about these circumstances, like I got a really

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<v Speaker 3>really positive prognosis relative to you have an inoperable brain

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<v Speaker 3>tumor right from the jump. They thought it would be

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<v Speaker 3>really responsive to chemo, and thankfully it was. But I

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<v Speaker 3>I did find considering those things that it helped me

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, and I think probably helped the people around

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<v Speaker 3>me to be able to talk about it in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that was a little more lighthearted. Right and particularly

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:13.600
<v Speaker 3>now that it's a little bit further in the rear

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<v Speaker 3>view mirror. I'll never be out of the rear view mirror,

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<v Speaker 3>but now that's a little bit further downfield. I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of have an arsenal of new jokes that I use

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<v Speaker 3>because I want to. I don't want it to mean

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<v Speaker 3>anyone else who's in similar circumstances. But I got to say,

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<v Speaker 3>as someone who talks too much, the idea that I

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<v Speaker 3>had a brain tumor maybe informing some of my terrible

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<v Speaker 3>opinions is like really easy fodder, right like right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And this is why I don't want to say I'm

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<v Speaker 3>disappointed that I don't have more haters. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things I always think about is one of these days,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say something really dumb and someone's going

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<v Speaker 3>to use this as a cudgel, and I'd rather going

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<v Speaker 3>to get try and get ahead of that. The Internet's

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<v Speaker 3>a mean place. I might as well get ahead of that,

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<v Speaker 3>and the best way I can.

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<v Speaker 1>So, what is your You mentioned before we started doing

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<v Speaker 1>the show that you you did a run. What's what's

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<v Speaker 1>your run all about?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So, one of the things that I didn't get

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<v Speaker 3>to do because as I was going through chemo, that

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked about doing since before I moved down to

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<v Speaker 3>DC eight years ago is the Army ten miler, which

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<v Speaker 3>is just like the name sounds like, it is a

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<v Speaker 3>ten mile run. I don't really like running, Carol, I'll

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<v Speaker 3>be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>But anybody likes it. I think anybody says.

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<v Speaker 3>That they like it or just saying I talked to

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<v Speaker 3>some runner. I talked to a runner last night, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was like, you know, if you get more in

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<v Speaker 3>the habit of it, you'll enjoy it. And I actually

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<v Speaker 3>don't believe that. I hope that's true. I hope you're right,

0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 3>but I'm a very hard time believe in that. But

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<v Speaker 3>so I you know, I look at it a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Catholic, and so I look at it almost as

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<v Speaker 3>like a physical penance that like you know, if I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been eating well during the week, I haven't been

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<v Speaker 3>working out as often as I should, at least I

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<v Speaker 3>can kind of grab my running cat of nine tails

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<v Speaker 3>and go for it once a week and push myself

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<v Speaker 3>to do it. And so I saw after, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>after I finished treatment, I was like, okay, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to get back to running a five k, right, I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get back to running a little bit. I

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<v Speaker 3>want my one of my goals as I'm going through

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<v Speaker 3>physical therapy to be I want to run a five

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<v Speaker 3>k and do it out in public and be able

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<v Speaker 3>to have the little metal at the end of it

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<v Speaker 3>and say, look, I did this thing right. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>little it's like a gold star on my refrigerator kind

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<v Speaker 3>of thing. And so I did that and it went

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 3>better than I expected. And so I ran another five

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<v Speaker 3>k and then I ran a ten k, which is

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<v Speaker 3>about six miles, probably three months ago or so. And

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<v Speaker 3>after the ten k, I felt really good. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm saying I want to breakfast and yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I said to myself, I was like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>you've been talking with this Army ten for eight years.

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<v Speaker 3>Every year and new excuse, I tweaked the cav the

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<v Speaker 3>first year, and obviously that the brain tumor.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a little more thorough of an excuse, I

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<v Speaker 3>would say. But I was like, you know what, you're

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<v Speaker 3>up for it. You can do this, and the training

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<v Speaker 3>process will be good for you. It'll help get you

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<v Speaker 3>back in shape, and it will help you feel. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I could feel a little bit like I'm back to normal,

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<v Speaker 3>doing had as second on physical aspirations. And if you

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<v Speaker 3>had told me that a year and a half whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I had a hard time believing that. Certainly would

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<v Speaker 3>be very grateful if you knew the future. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I signed up for the Army ten mile or I

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<v Speaker 3>got up to about nine miles before, so I had

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<v Speaker 3>some degree of confidence I could do it. The race

0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.320
<v Speaker 3>was a week and a half ago, and I did it.

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<v Speaker 3>I ran the whole race. I ran it slowly, but

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<v Speaker 3>I ran it faster than any ten mile run I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever done. I beat my pre cancer time by fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>seconds a mile. It's amazing, which felt almost like exercising

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<v Speaker 3>a demon A little bit right to be able to

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<v Speaker 3>say like, Okay, I may never fully be back from

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<v Speaker 3>this cancer experience, but I was able to do this

0:25:11.440 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 3>thing and that feels really good. Yeah, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>far more importantly what I did as part of the

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<v Speaker 3>run was I raised some money. And so I'm familiar

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<v Speaker 3>with a charity called Undue Medical Debts. Some of your

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<v Speaker 3>listeners may be familiar with it. They buy up medical

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<v Speaker 3>debt that people have that is a burden over their

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<v Speaker 3>heads that some studies put the amount of medical debt,

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 3>which is money that people owe publicly or privately because

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<v Speaker 3>of the care that they need. Something like forty percent

0:25:37.080 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 3>of Americans based on some survey, have medical debt. Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really fortunate during my experience to have really

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<v Speaker 3>excellent insurance, and so I don't have medical debt. But

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 3>I remember looking at the price tag on the original

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:54.639
<v Speaker 3>brain surgery, and I wouldn't have had six figures to

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<v Speaker 3>shell out if I didn't have insurance, or if I

0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 3>didn't have really excellent insurance, right, And so it it

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<v Speaker 3>struck me that there are millions and millions of people

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<v Speaker 3>living under this burden, that it's them from making the

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.280
<v Speaker 3>financial decisions they want to, from owning a home, from

0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.679
<v Speaker 3>putting their kids through college, right from buying groceries for

0:26:14.760 --> 0:26:17.280
<v Speaker 3>some people, and so undo medical debt what they do

0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 3>is they buy up that debt so that they can

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<v Speaker 3>then privately forgive it rather than try and go through

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 3>the government or anything, which I think is a super

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<v Speaker 3>noble and super important effort.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and so as as part of this run, I

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<v Speaker 3>encourage people to donate to a fundraiser I was doing,

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 3>which you can still donate to. I haven't I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>buttoned it up yet, but I've been able to raise

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty five hundred dollars for them that I think

0:26:38.720 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 3>is going to go to the website. Yeah, so I've

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<v Speaker 3>got a link at fundly. If you search on fundly,

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<v Speaker 3>it's I think it's Drew's Army ten miler run. But

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<v Speaker 3>if you just search Drew hold and fundly, you can

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<v Speaker 3>find it. Or you can donate directly to undo medical

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<v Speaker 3>Debt there at undomedical Debt dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent. So you've been through this, you know, obviously really

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic experience. You've come out on the other side, you know, thankfully,

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 1>and you're doing these amazing things and accomplishing things that

0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you've wanted to do.

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:12.040
<v Speaker 3>What do you worry about now? Have your worries changed? Yeah,

0:27:12.040 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 3>that's a good question. I think I worry about my

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<v Speaker 3>health a lot more than I did right for obvious reasons.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think one of the things that the experience

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<v Speaker 3>has taught me, or it gets encouraged in me, is

0:27:26.800 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 3>to be more attenuated to my body and my surroundings

0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 3>and also like the body and surroundings of my friends. Right.

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 3>I've had a lot of people since I shared my

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<v Speaker 3>story who have come who have called me or texted

0:27:38.320 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 3>me or come up to me and said, hey, like,

0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:43.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm having these dizzyness issues, like I have trouble with light,

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.520
<v Speaker 3>Like what do you think? And so I think trying

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<v Speaker 3>to be more attenuated to those needs, both my own certainly,

0:27:49.119 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>but in my friends and family and loved ones as well.

0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:56.200
<v Speaker 3>And I think this is probably because you know, the

0:27:56.560 --> 0:28:01.119
<v Speaker 3>downstream implications of the metod the healthcare system in this

0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 3>country are deeply problematic in many ways, but I think

0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 3>the logistics stress me out in a way that they

0:28:07.320 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 3>didn't before. I think, like the you've got to be

0:28:11.920 --> 0:28:14.119
<v Speaker 3>like for radiation, So I did radiation every morning at

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:16.720
<v Speaker 3>six thirty for like two months, and if I missed

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:20.159
<v Speaker 3>a slot of radiation like their books solid right, and

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:22.159
<v Speaker 3>it would be it would be a huge impediment to

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:26.000
<v Speaker 3>my ability to recover, and so I think they're like,

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm much more punctual on the backside of this thing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think as a thing that leads to the

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 3>punctuality is that I worry a lot more about logistics

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.679
<v Speaker 3>and time details. Some of that's healthy, maybe maybe some

0:28:37.720 --> 0:28:38.520
<v Speaker 3>of it not so much.

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<v Speaker 1>What advice would you give your sixteen year old self,

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>having again survived something like this, Like, you know, what

0:28:47.360 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 1>would you want him to know?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think I would tell him to listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the women in your life about everything good one but

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:05.040
<v Speaker 3>particularly thank you, but particularly about help. Right, Like I

0:29:06.840 --> 0:29:12.400
<v Speaker 3>almost lost vision and water both eyes because I didn't

0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 3>listen to my again, my fiance. If I would have

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>just listened to her when she was like, you should

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 3>go see a neurologist, it would have saved me months

0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 3>of pain, maybe made my chemo course easier, and certainly

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:31.200
<v Speaker 3>have you know, have avoided some of the really bad

0:29:31.200 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 3>symptoms that I had. I think there's obviously a lesson

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 3>there about like listen to your body and more set

0:29:38.320 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 3>particularly for men. I think there's also the reality for

0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:50.760
<v Speaker 3>men that our desires to ourselves or to the world

0:29:51.040 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 3>that were so tough that we don't need help, particularly

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 3>help from loving and caring women, is often misguided and

0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:02.840
<v Speaker 3>should be the sort of thing that we we don't

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<v Speaker 3>entangle with a manliness because I just don't think that's

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<v Speaker 3>right and it doesn't help anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that's true. But I would just say, as

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 1>somebody who hates going to the doctor and who puts

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>off everything as long as possible, who has a husband

0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>who is like, dude, you've been coughing for two months,

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 1>like you have to go handle this, I would tell

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<v Speaker 1>you it's not all gendered. But yes, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>women in general do go to the doctor like they'll

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<v Speaker 1>they'll they'll be much more likely to like, just do

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<v Speaker 1>it right, and I think men are less likely. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't always work out that way because I am

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<v Speaker 1>the absolute worst at it.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, you're right, I think I think there is

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<v Speaker 3>a wisdom element.

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<v Speaker 1>I lack the wisdom.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I've enjoyed this conversation so much. I've been a

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<v Speaker 1>fan of yours for so long. I think you do

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<v Speaker 1>such fantastic work, and I'm so glad that you're on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of this, and i hope you stay

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and keep growing and keep doing great things. And

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<v Speaker 1>us here with your best tip for my listeners on

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<v Speaker 1>how they can improve their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>This is time too, So first off, thank you for

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:38.719
<v Speaker 3>your words. I'm a huge fan of yours and it

0:32:38.800 --> 0:32:42.840
<v Speaker 3>really fills my market. You say maybe two charitable things. No,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you, thank you for saying some. So my somewhat

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:52.959
<v Speaker 3>counterintuitive tip would be to put the phone down, close

0:32:53.000 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 3>the computer, and spend more time. You know, I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I was forced into this when I was

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 3>going through treatment. But spend more time to the people

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:03.400
<v Speaker 3>who matter to you in your life, your loved ones,

0:33:03.400 --> 0:33:07.840
<v Speaker 3>your family, your friends, your spouse, your significant other. You know.

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 3>I think it's It can feel a little bit trite,

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<v Speaker 3>but when when you are presented with a kind of

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:18.520
<v Speaker 3>a moment of impending mortality, it's really easy to say, oh,

0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 3>I should have spent my time better. I get a

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 3>little flash of that, I think from my experience, and

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<v Speaker 3>I think one of the things that I try and

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<v Speaker 3>do as someone who admittedly still spends way too much

0:33:28.960 --> 0:33:30.640
<v Speaker 3>time online, right, one of the reasons I can have

0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.239
<v Speaker 3>these screenshots exactly. One of the reasons I have all

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 3>these screenshots is I spend too much time reading things.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think I would encourage folks to find a

0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 3>healthier balance, and particularly when you're spending time with that

0:33:45.200 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 3>significant other, with your spouse, make that meaningful quality time.

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Don't make that Twitter time or Twitter time together. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and what that means and what that looks like can

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<v Speaker 3>be all sorts of different things, but prioritize that cherish that.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. Thank you so much, Drew Holden. Check

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<v Speaker 1>out his substack hold in Court. He's really great.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, Drew, Carol the Pleasures Mind, thanks so

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<v Speaker 3>much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show.

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