1 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: And welcome to the new time slot. The Carol Markowitz 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: Show is moving to Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 2: get my non political podcast this show, The Carol Markowitz 5 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: Show on Wednesday and Friday, and then normally the political 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every Tuesday 7 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 2: and Thursday. You only don't get me on Mondays. Sorry 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: about that. So I got a DM from a listener 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,800 Speaker 2: who writes, Hi, Carol, I love the show and that 10 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: you take questions. My daughter is sixteen, a junior in 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 2: high school, and while she has friends that she sees 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 2: in school, her calendar is completely open. She never has 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 2: plans on the weekends or after school. She's mostly in 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: her room and she seems lonely. What's interesting is that 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: when I talk to friends, they say their kids also 16 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: never see their friends outside of school. Is this normal? 17 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: What do you suggest mean to say? These kids are 18 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 2: having a completely different experience than I had as a teenager. 19 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 2: I'd get home, spend five seconds doing my homework, and 20 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: I'd be out the door to hang out with friends. 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: It really has changed. I see that in the teenagers 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 2: around me as well. I don't want to say the 23 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: obvious social media destroyed our real life relationships, because while 24 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: I think that plays a role, I don't think that's 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 2: the whole story. And as I've written before, and I 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: think I talked about on here, these teenagers are barely 27 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: using social media anymore. They're really just watching TV on 28 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 2: their phones, like they're not socializing. They're not commenting in 29 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: each other's walls, they're not posting pictures, they're watching little 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: videos and it's the equivalent of coming home from school 31 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: and just sitting in front of the TV. But I 32 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: also don't think that's the whole story. My mind also 33 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: went to college prep for juniors, SATs and all that, 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: but I very clearly remember hanging out with my friends 35 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: in high school, even when we were studying for the SAT. 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,279 Speaker 2: So what has changed? I do think it's our phones again, 37 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: in part, not social media specifically, but just the fact 38 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 2: that our teens are in touch with their friends all 39 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: the time and don't actually have to see them to 40 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: have a connection. That's a huge change from our childhoods 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: Putting aside that we didn't have, you know, cell phones 42 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: with us all the time. I couldn't spend the afternoon 43 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: on the phone my best friend. It just I would 44 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: be tying up the house phone line. Even when I 45 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: got my own line, which was a big, big deal, 46 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 2: It's hard to imagine that our phone calls wouldn't be 47 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 2: planned to see each other. My advice, more than anything else, 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: and not just about this, but about a lot of 49 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 2: problems that kids have, is to help your kids find community. 50 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: That is really not easy to do, and I have 51 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: struggled with this at different points in my life. You 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: want to have kind of a built in people that 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: you and your kids spend time with. Yes, that's not 54 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: always the way it works out. Your kids could easily 55 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: also hit their teens and not be interested in the 56 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: community you fostered. I've seen that happen, but I still 57 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: think that step one, what are you doing on the weekends? 58 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: Are you seeing friends? You get together with friends who 59 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: have kids your kids age, and you do something together, 60 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: and that fosters a connection you probably have to host. 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 2: It will take effort. The other thing is to encourage 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: your kids into activities where they will see their friends. 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 2: I am a free range parent, I really am, and 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: I get the argument that not every minute of the 65 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: kid's day needs to be planned and scheduled, and they 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: should just hang out together and just do nothing and 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 2: kick rocks around. I agree, but that's not what the 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: other kids are doing. A few years ago, I wrote 69 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: that at a certain age, my kids at the playground 70 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: would be the only kids there that age, because everybody 71 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: else would be in after school activities or doing sports 72 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: or something. It's also less awkward than making plans to 73 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: have activities that they just go to. What do their 74 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 2: friends do after school or on weekends? Motivate your kids 75 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: towards that. I also think that every group of friends 76 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: needs a cruise director who organizes them. Some group of 77 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:22,919 Speaker 2: friends don't have that, and I think that makes it 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: a lot tougher to hang out. You can encourage your 79 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: daughter to be the one to organize stuff a dinner, bowling, 80 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,679 Speaker 2: really anything. I wrote about teenage loneliness and the jump 81 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: and depression a few years ago for The Post, I wrote, 82 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: the lives of our modern youth should be pretty good. 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 2: They have all the information in the world on devices 84 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: they carry in their pockets. They have plenty of opportunities 85 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: to make friends instantaneously, something the older generation finds increasingly difficult, 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: and notwithstanding with the insurgent Democratic socialists to keep telling 87 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: us this is a time of unparalleled prosperity. The unemployment 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: rate is four percent. Most American families enjoy conveniences that 89 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 2: would have been unthinkable to most human generations across across 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 2: most of history. Life should be grand, but perhaps those 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: very conveniences are the source of youth anguish. Well, the 92 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: prosperity has decreased a bit since I wrote that, But 93 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: the point stands, our kids have all these possibilities, but 94 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 2: they don't always know how to capture them. We help 95 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 2: our kids with so many things. I think teaching them 96 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: how to socialize, especially since they have a phone standing 97 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: in the way, is something parents should just definitely do. 98 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: We need to teach our kids how to make friends, 99 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: how to make plans, all of that before we send 100 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: them off into the world and have them do it 101 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: for themselves. And yes, you might think that sixteen is 102 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: a little old to be doing that, but if the 103 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: alternative is your kids sitting home alone, maybe step in 104 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: and help. I'd love your questions and comments at Carol 105 00:05:56,120 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 2: Maarkowitz Show at gmail dot com. 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Visit 124 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: Saber radio dot com. That's s A b R E 125 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: Radio dot com or call eight four four eight two 126 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: four s a f E. 127 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Today, Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 128 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: My guest today is Drew Holden. Drew is the author 129 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: of the Holden Court substack and well known for his 130 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: blistering Threads on X my favorite. Hi Drew, so nice 131 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: to have. 132 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 3: You on Carol the Pleasure's Mind. Thank you so much 133 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: and for the kind words about the threads. Blistering. I 134 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: think blistering sometimes fair in mild mannered guys. I hope 135 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: I don't disappoint, but. 136 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: Well, mild mannerd is what comes across, for sure. I 137 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: think you're very thorough and that also come across like 138 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: you do the work as they as the kids say 139 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: these days. So how did you get into the concept 140 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: of going to destroy the media with threads on X? 141 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:13,679 Speaker 1: Where did that idea come from? 142 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: It's a funny question, you know. I was actually I 143 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 3: remember it was probably four or five years ago. I 144 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: was working in public affairs. I was coming back from 145 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: a client meeting up in New York and I was 146 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: on the AM track and the news broke that Don 147 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 3: Imis had passed away, right, the famous radio commentator. And 148 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: I remember I saw because I saw there was probably 149 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: a Washington poster New York Times headline where they just 150 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: trashed who like again he made a really awful racist 151 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 3: comment about the Rutgers women's basketball team. He was a 152 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 3: firebrand in general. But I always kind of thought, like, 153 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: you know, when people died, they died, right, yeah, hould 154 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 3: them up in kind of a charitable light, or at 155 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 3: least not a not an overly critical light. And every 156 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 3: single headline I went through just trash Iynus and thrashed Iynus. 157 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 3: And I thought, man, who is who is someone who 158 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 3: we could both look at and say, this person is worse? Right, 159 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: setting aside politics, setting aside, you know, all the issues 160 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: of the day. Who could be worse? And so I 161 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 3: went through and found a couple of terrorists, right, so 162 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: how By Dottie was one of them, and then there 163 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: were a couple others. Sky put yeah exactly, And so 164 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: I put them side by side on Twitter. I was 165 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 3: using Twitter very rarely. I get into to kind of 166 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: keep tabs on the news, and I put them side 167 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: by side, same outlets, same headlines, and it for whatever 168 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: I had like maybe twelve hundred followers or something, and 169 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: it just it blew up I had. I had all 170 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: of this engagement, and all these people were really to me, 171 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: I think there's something here, And I think what what 172 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 3: kind of occurred to me is even in this kind 173 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: of silly sort of example, it's very obvious to people 174 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: when you put these things side by side that something 175 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: doesn't have that's something here is a miss right. And 176 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 3: I didn't think anyone was doing that, or at least wasn't. 177 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 3: They didn't have as many screenshots in their phones as 178 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 3: I did. Right even before that, I would see these things. 179 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of I guess I'm I'm kind of 180 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 3: a hoarder or maybe a clutter shot. I yeah, I have. 181 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 3: I had to clear up some space before I joined 182 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: this podcast actually because I just have too many screenshots. 183 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 3: I could do not have too many screenshots on my phone, 184 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 3: and so I thought, I was like, I think there's 185 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 3: something here, right, And this was you know, this is 186 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: this was the you know, during Trump's time in office, right, 187 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 3: the media I think was having a moment. 188 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: To put it mildly, I was yeah, and I was like, 189 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 4: you know, if nothing else kind of in like an 190 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 4: archaeological sort of sense, I would like to capture this, 191 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 4: like I think I think these things are going to 192 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 4: look really bad. 193 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: It's not right now today, the certainly down the road, 194 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 3: and in general, I don't think it takes I think 195 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 3: you can just show people these things. They'll be able 196 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 3: to connect the dots that again, something here just isn't 197 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: quite right. Right. 198 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Do you get a lot of pushback? 199 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 3: I don't. One of the weirdest things I was talking 200 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: to push on. 201 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: That's why I ask. 202 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair. I don't want to toot 203 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 3: my own horn here too much. But I'm always kind 204 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: of flummoxed at the fact that I don't have more 205 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: people who are hating on me, right, because I. 206 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: Definitely maybe after this show, maybe well yeah. 207 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Maybe you've got some good haters on the internet, so 208 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 3: maybe they find their way to me. But I think 209 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 3: I think it's probably two things. One is, I think 210 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: that when you hold up the examples and the screen shots, 211 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 3: it's really really hard to dispute one. Two, And I 212 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: think I think it deserves pointing out. I'm also shooting 213 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: at a target that probably isn't inclined to shoot back. Right. 214 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: It's not just like a policy fight or something where 215 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 3: I have a disagreement with someone the press, as much 216 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: as I may malign them, you know, in terms of 217 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 3: the way that they cover certain things, I think is 218 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 3: a noble enough institution where the idea, in most cases, 219 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: of getting in a shooting war with this random guy 220 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: on Twitter probably doesn't appeal to the sensibilities of most people. 221 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: I did one time, the only time that sticks out 222 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: to me when I actually faced like real meaningful pushback, 223 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: was an editor at the Washington Post, and one of 224 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 3: my threads that I did probably four years ago now 225 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: commented and disputed the way I had categorized a piece 226 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 3: because I called it news and she said it was 227 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 3: actually analysis. And to me, all question does is highlight 228 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 3: the problem with news analysis as built by places like 229 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 3: the Arty to Post. Right, If you're saying it is 230 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 3: analysis as something distinct from news, why is analysis categorizing 231 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: your news pieces? Right? 232 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:54,320 Speaker 1: Why isn't it in the opinion section? That would make 233 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: sense there? 234 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I that was kind of the one 235 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: example where I really think about someone someone from the 236 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 3: you know, from within the cathedral kind of pushback, and 237 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 3: I think maybe did not avail herself of the best 238 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 3: tact to do so. 239 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's a that's really interesting that you decided 240 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: that there's a separate category called analysis that doesn't somehow 241 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: go into the opinion section. But if I think all 242 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: of its opinion, I think they should just be more 243 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: honest about it. And journalists don't love when I say that, 244 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: but I think it's true. I think we're all writing 245 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: our opinion, and some of us are honest about it 246 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: and some of us aren't. 247 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 3: So Yeah, Unfortunately, I think there's there's quite a bit 248 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: to be extrapolated from the confluence of news and analysis, 249 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: And I would love to sit down with like the 250 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 3: editorial newsroom and be like, how do we think about 251 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: these things? Yeah? What what is? What should news be? Right? 252 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: What should the thing you are presenting to regular readers 253 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 3: is removed from opinion? At? Really? Look like I think 254 00:13:58,600 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 3: they have a really fascinating one. 255 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you've had a tumultuous few years. I think 256 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: that for anybody who doesn't know your story, can you 257 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: tell us a little about it? 258 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, you know, back in early twenty twenty, probably 259 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,599 Speaker 3: I started getting these thakes, and you know, it was 260 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: twenty so there's a part of me that was like, 261 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 3: you know, it's it's probably this is just what approaching 262 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: thirty is like I'm getting older, my body is changing. 263 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: I just I've just got to kind of make peace 264 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: with that. And so I, you know, at first it 265 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 3: just started I. 266 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Love that thirty was like You're like, well, this is 267 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: this is where it all goes. 268 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 3: Down here, you know, Hey, I mean I was I 269 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: should have been the wiser, but I wasn't. But yes, 270 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: an uncharitable perhaps a description of my age at the time. 271 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: So I was, you know, I started getting these headaches, 272 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 3: and then it was I'd get these headaches and I 273 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: would be dizzy and have balance issues and I couldn't 274 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 3: quite figure out for a couple of months what all 275 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: was going on. And you, my then girlfriend now fiance, 276 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: had pushed me a lot to say, you should go 277 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 3: see a neurologist, like it's it's not normal that you 278 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: can't wake up without taking etc. Before you go to 279 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: work to be able to get out of bed. Like this, 280 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 3: I get. You don't love doctors, you don't love hospitals, 281 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: which admittedly I didn't, and so I just kind of 282 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 3: bit the bullet and tried to be a man, be 283 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: tough and YadA, YadA, YadA, and so I pushed it 284 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: off I pushed it off, and then eventually, I, you know, 285 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: the headaches got worse, the symptoms got worse, and I 286 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 3: told her, you know, mostly to kind of like, you know, 287 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: address her concerns and address my mother's concerns and plenty 288 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 3: of other you know, people in my life I talked to. 289 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I'll go to the eye doctor. 290 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: Right the eye dot. Maybe it's an issue in my contacts. 291 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see how it plays up. So I 292 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 3: go to an eye doctor as a new one. God 293 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: blessed me. He did a really excellent job, and I 294 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 3: told him I've been having these headaches. So he took 295 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: a look behind my eye and the are kind of lighthearted, 296 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: banter dropped. He gave me more specific instructions to look 297 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 3: this way, look that way, and then eventually he flipped 298 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: around the screen he was looking at, which is a picture, 299 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 3: and he said, you're hemorrhaging around your own nerves. Said 300 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,239 Speaker 3: He's like, you need to go to see a doctor, 301 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 3: like you need to go to the hospital yesterday about this. 302 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 3: There's there's something very wrong. I didn't know anything about 303 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: the healthcare system. I was like, can you write me 304 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: a can you write me a script or referral so 305 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: I can go. He goes wait in the waiting room. 306 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 3: This might be over dramatic, but I'm going to call 307 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 3: you an ambulance and they're going to take you to Astor. 308 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: And he's like, doctor, but you know that doesn't make sense. 309 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: But it's like, here, I haven't paid enough attention to 310 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 3: the people who probably know better on this than I do. 311 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 3: Why didn't I just sit down and shut up for 312 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 3: like the first time probably in my medical history. And 313 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: so flash forward. I go to the doctor. They realized 314 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 3: that I was indeed emerging around my optic nerve. The 315 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 3: reason was that I wasn't reabsorbing cerebro spinal fluid back 316 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 3: into my brain, and so it was building up in 317 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 3: the back of my head and putting pressure on my 318 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: optic nerve. They recommended surgery, which went as well as 319 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: you could have hoped. I had basically a burhole drilled 320 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 3: in my brain to at least the pressure and thought 321 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: that would be everything. That was in maybe May of 322 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, and so I thought, Okay, we're set, 323 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: We're done. I had this brain surgery really weird, but 324 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 3: you know I was I was back in the gym. 325 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 3: I was getting ready to go back to work. I 326 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 3: was running and I went in for my thirty follow 327 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 3: out to that surgery and surgeon neurosurgeon who done surgery 328 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 3: originally called me and he said, hey, we do and 329 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 3: there's a ship. It turns out that shoto that was 330 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: a brain tumor. 331 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: It was the day for my Wow, So what is 332 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: what happened then? 333 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: That resolved? Yeah, you know, obviously the tough news to hear. 334 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: Talked to doctor Johns Fonpkins, who I've been working with Baltimore. 335 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 3: They determined a course of chemo, so I you know, 336 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: they took a look at it. They realized it was inoperable. 337 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 3: It was like right smack in the center of my brain, 338 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 3: and so they sat down and kind of talked me 339 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: through what chemo would look like. I had a port 340 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 3: put into my chest so I could have an IV 341 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 3: line straight through there, and then I did probably four 342 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: months of chemotherapy, which you know, thank god, it worked 343 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: and my body was super responsive to the chemo. The 344 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 3: tour was super responsive to the chemo, and my body 345 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,639 Speaker 3: actually handled it quite well relative to you know, the 346 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 3: horror stories you hear about chemo and then I started radiation. 347 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: I did that for about two months and that also 348 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 3: worked really well. By the end of it, I was 349 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: declared cancer free. So as of now a year in 350 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 3: a remission, uh those signs of tumor, no signs of cancer. 351 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 3: I still get to go back and get check ups. 352 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 3: You know, there's still a lot I'm working on. I 353 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: had to go through physical therapy to kind of figure 354 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 3: out how best to walk normally. Again, my extemporaneous ability 355 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: to kind of speak off the cuff isn't what it 356 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 3: once was. But I'm I think I'm back around a 357 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 3: year later to a point where most of my intellectual 358 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 3: and balanced shortcomings are my own, as opposed to be 359 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: induced by the cancer, which I'm fably fortunate to. 360 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: Meaner about it. Thank you jokes about brain cancer. 361 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 3: I mean, that's you know, that's that's fair. You know, 362 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: I did. I did find throughout the process. And again 363 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't want to say this 364 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: as in like, oh, I'm just a you know, I'm 365 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,679 Speaker 3: uniquely tough about these circumstances, like I got a really 366 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 3: really positive prognosis relative to you have an inoperable brain 367 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 3: tumor right from the jump. They thought it would be 368 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,120 Speaker 3: really responsive to chemo, and thankfully it was. But I 369 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: I did find considering those things that it helped me 370 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: a lot, and I think probably helped the people around 371 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: me to be able to talk about it in a 372 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 3: way that was a little more lighthearted. Right and particularly 373 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: now that it's a little bit further in the rear 374 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 3: view mirror. I'll never be out of the rear view mirror, 375 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: but now that's a little bit further downfield. I kind 376 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 3: of have an arsenal of new jokes that I use 377 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: because I want to. I don't want it to mean 378 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 3: anyone else who's in similar circumstances. But I got to say, 379 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 3: as someone who talks too much, the idea that I 380 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 3: had a brain tumor maybe informing some of my terrible 381 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: opinions is like really easy fodder, right like right, yeah, 382 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 3: And this is why I don't want to say I'm 383 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: disappointed that I don't have more haters. But one of 384 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: the things I always think about is one of these days, 385 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,959 Speaker 3: I'm going to say something really dumb and someone's going 386 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 3: to use this as a cudgel, and I'd rather going 387 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: to get try and get ahead of that. The Internet's 388 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: a mean place. 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That's 408 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 2: s A b r E Radio dot com or call 409 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: eight four four eight two four s A F E 410 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: today to protect what matters most. 411 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: So, what is your You mentioned before we started doing 412 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: the show that you you did a run. What's what's 413 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: your run all about? 414 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? So, one of the things that I didn't get 415 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: to do because as I was going through chemo, that 416 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,879 Speaker 3: I've talked about doing since before I moved down to 417 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: DC eight years ago is the Army ten miler, which 418 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: is just like the name sounds like, it is a 419 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 3: ten mile run. I don't really like running, Carol, I'll 420 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: be honest. 421 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: But anybody likes it. I think anybody says. 422 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: That they like it or just saying I talked to 423 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 3: some runner. I talked to a runner last night, and 424 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 3: he was like, you know, if you get more in 425 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: the habit of it, you'll enjoy it. And I actually 426 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 3: don't believe that. I hope that's true. I hope you're right, 427 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: but I'm a very hard time believe in that. But 428 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 3: so I you know, I look at it a little bit. 429 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: I'm Catholic, and so I look at it almost as 430 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 3: like a physical penance that like you know, if I 431 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 3: haven't been eating well during the week, I haven't been 432 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 3: working out as often as I should, at least I 433 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: can kind of grab my running cat of nine tails 434 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 3: and go for it once a week and push myself 435 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: to do it. And so I saw after, you know, 436 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: after I finished treatment, I was like, okay, I want 437 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 3: to get back to running a five k, right, I 438 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: want to get back to running a little bit. I 439 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,440 Speaker 3: want my one of my goals as I'm going through 440 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 3: physical therapy to be I want to run a five 441 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 3: k and do it out in public and be able 442 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 3: to have the little metal at the end of it 443 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 3: and say, look, I did this thing right. It's a 444 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 3: little it's like a gold star on my refrigerator kind 445 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 3: of thing. And so I did that and it went 446 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: better than I expected. And so I ran another five 447 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: k and then I ran a ten k, which is 448 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: about six miles, probably three months ago or so. And 449 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: after the ten k, I felt really good. You know, 450 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 3: I know I'm saying I want to breakfast and yeah, 451 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 3: and I said to myself, I was like, you know what, 452 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 3: you've been talking with this Army ten for eight years. 453 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 3: Every year and new excuse, I tweaked the cav the 454 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 3: first year, and obviously that the brain tumor. 455 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,360 Speaker 1: Excuse. 456 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little more thorough of an excuse, I 457 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: would say. But I was like, you know what, you're 458 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: up for it. You can do this, and the training 459 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 3: process will be good for you. It'll help get you 460 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 3: back in shape, and it will help you feel. You know, 461 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 3: I could feel a little bit like I'm back to normal, 462 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 3: doing had as second on physical aspirations. And if you 463 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 3: had told me that a year and a half whatever, 464 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: maybe I had a hard time believing that. Certainly would 465 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 3: be very grateful if you knew the future. And so 466 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 3: I signed up for the Army ten mile or I 467 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: got up to about nine miles before, so I had 468 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 3: some degree of confidence I could do it. The race 469 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 3: was a week and a half ago, and I did it. 470 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 3: I ran the whole race. I ran it slowly, but 471 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 3: I ran it faster than any ten mile run I've 472 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 3: ever done. I beat my pre cancer time by fifteen 473 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 3: seconds a mile. It's amazing, which felt almost like exercising 474 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 3: a demon A little bit right to be able to 475 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: say like, Okay, I may never fully be back from 476 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 3: this cancer experience, but I was able to do this 477 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 3: thing and that feels really good. Yeah, And I think 478 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: far more importantly what I did as part of the 479 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: run was I raised some money. And so I'm familiar 480 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: with a charity called Undue Medical Debts. Some of your 481 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 3: listeners may be familiar with it. They buy up medical 482 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,959 Speaker 3: debt that people have that is a burden over their 483 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 3: heads that some studies put the amount of medical debt, 484 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 3: which is money that people owe publicly or privately because 485 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: of the care that they need. Something like forty percent 486 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 3: of Americans based on some survey, have medical debt. Wow. 487 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 3: I was really fortunate during my experience to have really 488 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 3: excellent insurance, and so I don't have medical debt. But 489 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: I remember looking at the price tag on the original 490 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 3: brain surgery, and I wouldn't have had six figures to 491 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,440 Speaker 3: shell out if I didn't have insurance, or if I 492 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 3: didn't have really excellent insurance, right, And so it it 493 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,199 Speaker 3: struck me that there are millions and millions of people 494 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: living under this burden, that it's them from making the 495 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: financial decisions they want to, from owning a home, from 496 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 3: putting their kids through college, right from buying groceries for 497 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 3: some people, and so undo medical debt what they do 498 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: is they buy up that debt so that they can 499 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 3: then privately forgive it rather than try and go through 500 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 3: the government or anything, which I think is a super 501 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 3: noble and super important effort. 502 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 503 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so as as part of this run, I 504 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: encourage people to donate to a fundraiser I was doing, 505 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 3: which you can still donate to. I haven't I haven't 506 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 3: buttoned it up yet, but I've been able to raise 507 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 3: about twenty five hundred dollars for them that I think 508 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 3: is going to go to the website. Yeah, so I've 509 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 3: got a link at fundly. If you search on fundly, 510 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 3: it's I think it's Drew's Army ten miler run. But 511 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,199 Speaker 3: if you just search Drew hold and fundly, you can 512 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 3: find it. Or you can donate directly to undo medical 513 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: Debt there at undomedical Debt dot com. 514 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: Excellent. So you've been through this, you know, obviously really 515 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: traumatic experience. You've come out on the other side, you know, thankfully, 516 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: and you're doing these amazing things and accomplishing things that 517 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: you've wanted to do. 518 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: What do you worry about now? Have your worries changed? Yeah, 519 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 3: that's a good question. I think I worry about my 520 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 3: health a lot more than I did right for obvious reasons. 521 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: But I think one of the things that the experience 522 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: has taught me, or it gets encouraged in me, is 523 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 3: to be more attenuated to my body and my surroundings 524 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 3: and also like the body and surroundings of my friends. Right. 525 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: I've had a lot of people since I shared my 526 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 3: story who have come who have called me or texted 527 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 3: me or come up to me and said, hey, like, 528 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 3: I'm having these dizzyness issues, like I have trouble with light, 529 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 3: Like what do you think? And so I think trying 530 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 3: to be more attenuated to those needs, both my own certainly, 531 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 3: but in my friends and family and loved ones as well. 532 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 3: And I think this is probably because you know, the 533 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 3: downstream implications of the metod the healthcare system in this 534 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: country are deeply problematic in many ways, but I think 535 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 3: the logistics stress me out in a way that they 536 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 3: didn't before. I think, like the you've got to be 537 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 3: like for radiation, So I did radiation every morning at 538 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: six thirty for like two months, and if I missed 539 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 3: a slot of radiation like their books solid right, and 540 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 3: it would be it would be a huge impediment to 541 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 3: my ability to recover, and so I think they're like, 542 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 3: I'm much more punctual on the backside of this thing. 543 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: But I think as a thing that leads to the 544 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 3: punctuality is that I worry a lot more about logistics 545 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 3: and time details. Some of that's healthy, maybe maybe some 546 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: of it not so much. 547 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 1: What advice would you give your sixteen year old self, 548 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: having again survived something like this, Like, you know, what 549 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: would you want him to know? 550 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would tell him to listen to 551 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 3: the women in your life about everything good one but 552 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 3: particularly thank you, but particularly about help. Right, Like I 553 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 3: almost lost vision and water both eyes because I didn't 554 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 3: listen to my again, my fiance. If I would have 555 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: just listened to her when she was like, you should 556 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 3: go see a neurologist, it would have saved me months 557 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 3: of pain, maybe made my chemo course easier, and certainly 558 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 3: have you know, have avoided some of the really bad 559 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 3: symptoms that I had. I think there's obviously a lesson 560 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: there about like listen to your body and more set 561 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: particularly for men. I think there's also the reality for 562 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: men that our desires to ourselves or to the world 563 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: that were so tough that we don't need help, particularly 564 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 3: help from loving and caring women, is often misguided and 565 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 3: should be the sort of thing that we we don't 566 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 3: entangle with a manliness because I just don't think that's 567 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 3: right and it doesn't help anyone. 568 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's true. But I would just say, as 569 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: somebody who hates going to the doctor and who puts 570 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: off everything as long as possible, who has a husband 571 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: who is like, dude, you've been coughing for two months, 572 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: like you have to go handle this, I would tell 573 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: you it's not all gendered. But yes, I feel like 574 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: women in general do go to the doctor like they'll 575 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: they'll they'll be much more likely to like, just do 576 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: it right, and I think men are less likely. But again, 577 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't always work out that way because I am 578 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: the absolute worst at it. 579 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 3: And yeah, you're right, I think I think there is 580 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 3: a wisdom element. 581 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,200 Speaker 1: I lack the wisdom. 582 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 2: Maybe some more coming up in a moment. But first, 583 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: last week, Americans voted in one of the most consequent 584 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: quential elections in our history. With all that is happening, 585 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: we know that the support of Americans like you means 586 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 2: so much to the people of Israel, especially now the 587 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 2: past year, not only have we seen the war rage 588 00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: on in the Holyland, but we've seen an alarming rise 589 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: in anti Semitism. That's why I'm a proud partner of 590 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 2: the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. They have been 591 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 2: building bridges between Christians and Jews for over forty years, 592 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: and since that time have been on the ground helping 593 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: the vulnerable and providing security for Jews in both Israel 594 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: and Ukraine. Thank you for your support during this critical time. 595 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 2: Your gift helps the Fellowship provide food, necessities and security 596 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: to those most in need. Standing with Israel and the 597 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: Jewish people has never meant so much. Go to support 598 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 2: IFCJ dot org to learn more and make a gift now, 599 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: that's support IFCJ dot org or call to give at 600 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: eight eight eight for eight eight if CJ that's eight 601 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: eight eight for eight eight four three two five. 602 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: Well, I've enjoyed this conversation so much. I've been a 603 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: fan of yours for so long. I think you do 604 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 1: such fantastic work, and I'm so glad that you're on 605 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: the other side of this, and i hope you stay 606 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,960 Speaker 1: healthy and keep growing and keep doing great things. And 607 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: us here with your best tip for my listeners on 608 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: how they can improve their lives. 609 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: This is time too, So first off, thank you for 610 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 3: your words. I'm a huge fan of yours and it 611 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: really fills my market. You say maybe two charitable things. No, 612 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: thank you, thank you for saying some. So my somewhat 613 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:52,959 Speaker 3: counterintuitive tip would be to put the phone down, close 614 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 3: the computer, and spend more time. You know, I was. 615 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: I think I was forced into this when I was 616 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: going through treatment. But spend more time to the people 617 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 3: who matter to you in your life, your loved ones, 618 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 3: your family, your friends, your spouse, your significant other. You know. 619 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: I think it's It can feel a little bit trite, 620 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 3: but when when you are presented with a kind of 621 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: a moment of impending mortality, it's really easy to say, oh, 622 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 3: I should have spent my time better. I get a 623 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 3: little flash of that, I think from my experience, and 624 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 3: I think one of the things that I try and 625 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 3: do as someone who admittedly still spends way too much 626 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: time online, right, one of the reasons I can have 627 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,239 Speaker 3: these screenshots exactly. One of the reasons I have all 628 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 3: these screenshots is I spend too much time reading things. 629 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 3: But I think I would encourage folks to find a 630 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: healthier balance, and particularly when you're spending time with that 631 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: significant other, with your spouse, make that meaningful quality time. 632 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 3: Don't make that Twitter time or Twitter time together. Yes, 633 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: and what that means and what that looks like can 634 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 3: be all sorts of different things, but prioritize that cherish that. 635 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you so much, Drew Holden. Check 636 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: out his substack hold in Court. He's really great. 637 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: Thanks so much, Drew, Carol the Pleasures Mind, thanks so 638 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 3: much for having me. 639 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 640 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 2: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.