Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning.
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne
Speaker 2: the guy. We are the Breakfast Club Law and Rosa
Speaker 2: filling in for Jesse. We got a special guest in
Speaker 2: the building, indeed, Reverend al Sharp and welcome back, Raf.
Speaker 1: Thank you glad to be here.
Speaker 2: How you feeling.
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm real good.
Speaker 3: You got to work out in this morning. You know,
Speaker 3: every morning sevens got to get up and do it.
Speaker 1: Have you win the last time you missed one about
Speaker 1: maybe seven years ago.
Speaker 3: Really, I don't care where I am in the world,
Speaker 3: like you and hours in South Africa together and I
Speaker 3: got up every day and did my work.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: The last time I seen you rever now we were
Speaker 2: coming back from DC. We want to play together. This
Speaker 2: is right after Kamala Harris lost. Uh very sad, very upsetting.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the new presidency and what
Speaker 2: he's doing and all the things that that is affecting
Speaker 2: our communities. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that first of all, the only
Speaker 3: surprise I have is that everybody's surprised.
Speaker 1: He said he was going to do everything he's doing.
Speaker 3: Tarriffs that he was coming after a DEI diversity, equity
Speaker 3: and inclusion. He said that he was going to go
Speaker 3: after his enemies or those that he felt were.
Speaker 1: Opposed to him. So I don't know what the shock is.
Speaker 3: And I don't understand where all of the people that
Speaker 3: were saying that they didn't see the difference between Trump
Speaker 3: and the Democrats, how they have gotten longitis now and
Speaker 3: have not come back out and said because none of
Speaker 3: what he's doing, what the Democrats doing now, nobody has
Speaker 3: been more challenging than the Democrats than I have all
Speaker 3: my life. But you can't act like that was the
Speaker 3: same thing. He has done a direct affront on black
Speaker 3: people and working people and no apologies. I mean, when
Speaker 3: you take down black servicemen's pitches on the Department of
Speaker 3: Defense's website, including Jack Robinson and Medgevers, you can't be
Speaker 3: more intentionally offensive than that. So I think that the
Speaker 3: bad side is what he's doing. The good size is
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna I think it's gonna wake a
Speaker 3: lot of us up. Sometimes we need something to happen
Speaker 3: for us to understand what is really happening.
Speaker 4: Well, when you're dealing with point disenfranchised, point disenfranchised people.
Speaker 1: How do you tell.
Speaker 4: Them that, you know, if they're already living in hell,
Speaker 4: how do you tell them things are going to.
Speaker 1: Get hotter because they get hotter. I mean, but you're
Speaker 1: already in hell. But you in hell.
Speaker 3: But it's the heat is up in hell, and the
Speaker 3: fact is we in hell. Economically, Trump is now saying
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make it worse. I'm going to use Social
Speaker 3: Security money, Medicare money. You had that in hell, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna use that to balance the budget and pay for
Speaker 3: my billionaires to get a tax cut. So when we
Speaker 3: tell ourselves it can't get worse, it can't get worse.
Speaker 3: When Trump say I'm gonna bring back style up in first,
Speaker 3: which we all nash actionally was part of helping get done,
Speaker 3: that means you're gonna get thrown up against the wall again.
Speaker 3: When Trump says that I'm gonna deal with getting rid
Speaker 3: of all of these sentencing rules that can help you
Speaker 3: get out of jail. So there's a big difference in
Speaker 3: doing two years and doing twenty. So, yeah, you in hell,
Speaker 3: and you are now the fires in hell is being
Speaker 3: turned up. And to tell yourself to try to rationalize
Speaker 3: your inactivity does not make you smart, because a lot
Speaker 3: of brothers and sisters saying that to me, well, we're
Speaker 3: doing bad anyway, that's trying to rationalize that you were
Speaker 3: not trying to do better. To say that a man
Speaker 3: with thirty four felony convictions found guilty of sexual harassment
Speaker 3: is better than a woman who did everything right, lawyer,
Speaker 3: attorney general, senator went to Howard, and to give that
Speaker 3: example to your kids that no, I'll go to felon
Speaker 3: because he got swagger is to make us appear like
Speaker 3: we're not serious.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's comparison though. And the reason I
Speaker 4: say that is because I don't think the vice president.
Speaker 4: You know, of course she didn't run a perfect campaign.
Speaker 1: Who does.
Speaker 4: But I think that she suffered from being a part
Speaker 4: of the Democratic brand as opposed to her. It wasn't
Speaker 4: the fact that they chose the Donald Trump over her,
Speaker 4: they chose Donald Trump over Democrats. Because I feel like
Speaker 4: it was the same thing in twenty twenty you had
Speaker 4: to fight to convince people to vote for Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: It was definitely the same thing in twenty sixteen you
Speaker 4: had to fight people to convince for Hillary Clinton. The
Speaker 4: only the last time Democrats have been cool in the
Speaker 4: eyes of the people that have been oweight and O twelve.
Speaker 3: But then why did Biden when the reason I don't
Speaker 3: accept that Biden won.
Speaker 4: A series of extraordinary circumstances.
Speaker 1: I mean George Covid.
Speaker 3: You don't think it was extraordinary? No, no, no, George
Speaker 3: Floyd and COVID happened. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 1: Did thirty four felaty.
Speaker 3: We saw that this is the only time we seen
Speaker 3: American history man stand up in court having to defend
Speaker 3: himself and attacking black prosecutors. He went after Alvin Bragg,
Speaker 3: he went after Tis James. And the fact is that
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump was the president when George Floyd happened.
Speaker 3: I did George Floyd's funerals led the big margin. We
Speaker 3: could not get a peep out of the White House.
Speaker 3: So that don't wash with me when you're standing there
Speaker 3: saying this man was president during COVID and told y'all
Speaker 3: to drink bleach, was president when George Floyd and never
Speaker 3: opened his mouth other than one time walked across the
Speaker 3: street from the White House to the church and held
Speaker 3: the Bible upside down and reprimanded the protesters.
Speaker 1: We all got amnesia in two years.
Speaker 5: That's what happened, though. Yeah, for a lot of people,
Speaker 5: and you've been doing this work for a really long time.
Speaker 5: I'm interested because it does feel like that's what happened.
Speaker 5: But how do you get people as emotionally charged as
Speaker 5: you were about it? Because people were emotionally charged when
Speaker 5: George Floyd was killed and when those different things were happening,
Speaker 5: which I think led to Biden, but they didn't care
Speaker 5: about the thirty four charges.
Speaker 6: So how do you change that?
Speaker 3: I think the way you change it is you got
Speaker 3: to be able to get people to understand. The only
Speaker 3: way you're going to be able to make changes, you
Speaker 3: have to sustain a movement. You know, I talk all
Speaker 3: the time about out there are those of us that
Speaker 3: have tried to build organizations to sustain and then you
Speaker 3: get those that are like flash, and you need them
Speaker 3: both because you need the flash to get the fire,
Speaker 3: But then that doesn't sustain it. I can tell you
Speaker 3: every you saving there a long time. I can just
Speaker 3: go back last twelve years. We saw groups after Trey
Speaker 3: Von then they die out, and we saw groups after
Speaker 3: Michael Browns Ferguson die out. Then we see groups on
Speaker 3: and on and all the way to George Floyd. That's
Speaker 3: why you need groups that's gonna sustain itself, whether it
Speaker 3: be on outside of civil rights or whether it be
Speaker 3: the nation that's gonna be there that when it's smoke clear,
Speaker 3: because the right wing has that.
Speaker 1: Don't forget.
Speaker 3: They went from Tea Party to Birtherrism to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: So they have their flash guys, but their buildings two
Speaker 3: and it led to Trump and it's not even generational.
Speaker 3: That's the other copy. I was talking to a guy
Speaker 3: the other night. We're getting ready to find Nash Action
Speaker 3: that we're convention and he's coming, and he said, I
Speaker 3: used to not understand y'all, but you know, come next generation,
Speaker 3: and I want to do this, that and the other.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna work with you all. I said, let
Speaker 3: me ask you them. How old are you? He said,
Speaker 3: I'm forty three. I said, well, you ain't that young.
Speaker 3: I said, you do realize Vice President jd Vance is
Speaker 3: younger than you. He said, word, I said, Stephen Miller,
Speaker 3: the architect of the Project twenty twenty five, it's thirty
Speaker 3: seven years old. This ain't about a generation, It's about
Speaker 3: an agenda. Those young guys on the right were smart
Speaker 3: enough to take a seventy eight year old man and
Speaker 3: eat Big Max in the middle of the night and
Speaker 3: sit on the toilet tweeting and make him president to get.
Speaker 1: Their agenda through.
Speaker 3: They divide us on whether you're Christian, Muslim, young. Oh,
Speaker 3: we got to stop all that and look at what
Speaker 3: made them victorious.
Speaker 1: There was no separation between them.
Speaker 3: They are Christian Church, they're radicals, they're young, they're Oh
Speaker 3: that's what put Donald Trump back in the way.
Speaker 4: The Democrats project twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: That's a good question. Why they don't have a project
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. I didn't have a project. They don't
Speaker 1: have a project twenty twenty. We did. We did George Floyd,
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 3: I keep reminding people the Democratic Party didn't lead the
Speaker 3: Civil rights movement. The Civil rights movement challenged the Democratic Party.
Speaker 3: Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy did with King and Farmer
Speaker 3: and Paniew Hamer made them do. And when we are
Speaker 3: dependent on others to do for us, well, we ought
Speaker 3: to be leading the charge for ourselves.
Speaker 1: Were always fooling ourselves.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, listen, there's a lot of reasons I
Speaker 4: don't believe in the Democratic Party anymore. But you know,
Speaker 4: twenty twenty, they won the election, they were in the
Speaker 4: White House for four years, and that still didn't stop
Speaker 4: what we're seeing now. So how can we have faith
Speaker 4: in them to do anything? And I know you're saying,
Speaker 4: you know, you know, we can't depend on them, but
Speaker 4: you tell us to vote for them so they can
Speaker 4: go in there and stop these things from happening.
Speaker 1: But they didn't. They didn't stop the fascists from writing.
Speaker 3: I think that we vote for them as the alternative
Speaker 3: to those that are openly gonna do what the Trump
Speaker 3: is doing.
Speaker 1: Now. Nobody gonna say that they're the perfection.
Speaker 3: But if I'm drowning in the water, if a guy
Speaker 3: gonna bring me up two inches rather than bring me
Speaker 3: all the way out, the other guy's holding my leg
Speaker 3: bringing me down, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Go with the two inches. But we did that.
Speaker 3: Nothing or in twenty twenty. We know we made some
Speaker 3: advancements in those four years. We were able to stop stopping. First,
Speaker 3: we was able to deal with saving some healthcare. We
Speaker 3: were able to deal with infrastructure development where Black's got
Speaker 3: some contracts.
Speaker 1: We got some things done, But then it reverts back.
Speaker 3: If you look at history, it is always one step
Speaker 3: forward and one back. After slavery, we had twelve years
Speaker 3: of reconstruction, then fifty years of Jim Crow. So if
Speaker 3: we don't understand that they're gonna fight back, I think
Speaker 3: the problem is a lot of us relax and say
Speaker 3: we won now we there now. No, the fight is
Speaker 3: just as much important when you in as when you're trying.
Speaker 1: To get in.
Speaker 2: So where do we go from now? You know, we
Speaker 2: look at all the things that Trump is doing. Right,
Speaker 2: he said he's gonna possibly run a third or fourth term.
Speaker 2: You never have to vote again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's taught is well. First of all, to
Speaker 3: get a third t he's had to change the constitution.
Speaker 3: You've got to get two thirds of the Senate to
Speaker 3: vote for two thirds of the House, and then two
Speaker 3: thirds of the states to rectify that.
Speaker 1: That ain't gonna happen.
Speaker 3: So but he what he's doing is his boys got
Speaker 3: caught on that signal uh out on that signal lap
Speaker 3: And he's trying to change the conversation. He's a master
Speaker 3: that he knows how we'll all talk about it. He's
Speaker 3: gonna run again. Rather than talk about how the Vice president's,
Speaker 3: secretary of Defense, secretary of State, and all of them
Speaker 3: were on an app talking about classified stuff of attacking
Speaker 3: the building, and yeomen and Trump' sitt up to how
Speaker 3: I changed the conversation.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out there. He's only been in three months.
Speaker 3: Why would he we even be talking about what he's
Speaker 3: gonna do in four years? And Biden was too old,
Speaker 3: We said, right, Trump will.
Speaker 1: Be eighty two years old in four years. I mean,
Speaker 1: as crazy as he is. And now can you imagine
Speaker 1: what he's gonna be like at eighty.
Speaker 3: Two years old, trying to convince two thirds of the
Speaker 3: state to bring him back in.
Speaker 1: It's all of the his in his mind. It's a
Speaker 1: decoy to try to get away from the issues right
Speaker 1: now because they can't rationally.
Speaker 3: This is the first time you see and in red
Speaker 3: states they have an election in Wisconsin toing in Florida
Speaker 3: where they are fighting to win those elections because even
Speaker 3: whites are now going to their town hall meeting saying,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, you messing with my social security, Wait
Speaker 3: a minute, you messing with my medicare. Republican congressman can't
Speaker 3: hold town hall meetings, so he's got to try to
Speaker 3: change the conversation, make it something else.
Speaker 1: And he's good at that.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt in my mind that Republicans are gonna
Speaker 4: fumble the ball. You already see it happening now, right,
Speaker 4: you know, based off what you just said about what's
Speaker 4: happening in the town halls. You know, on a larger level,
Speaker 4: you see what's going on at.
Speaker 1: The stock market, all of that type of stuff.
Speaker 4: But even when they fumble, I don't think Democrats have
Speaker 4: the team to recover the ball.
Speaker 3: Now there, you and I agree. I think the problem
Speaker 3: is that you got the wrong team players. You cannot
Speaker 3: You cannot play a game if you're not going to
Speaker 3: play the game. And if you they're afraid of Trump
Speaker 3: is gonna tweet, Trump's gonna do this, don't get in
Speaker 3: the ring if you're afraid to get hit.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: You got to throw a blow and expect the blow
Speaker 3: to come back. And that's what I've dealt with all
Speaker 3: my I assume they're gonna come and throw blows in
Speaker 3: because I'm throwing blows that the people say to me
Speaker 3: all the time, Redmud, how do you take it? Cause
Speaker 3: I expected, I mean, do I think I'm gonna swing
Speaker 3: at them and call them bigots and talk about what
Speaker 3: they're doing to us, and they're not gonna swing back.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of us act like the folks
Speaker 3: that we're talking about a wicked ain't really wicked.
Speaker 1: They are really wicked, and they're gonna try to do
Speaker 1: wicked stuff.
Speaker 4: I feel like you should primary everybody in a democratic
Speaker 4: Democratic party who's not willing to fight and the leadership
Speaker 4: like the Chucks Hume was, the keeen Jeffers. If y'all
Speaker 4: not willing to fight, we should be calling for them
Speaker 4: to step.
Speaker 3: Down to But the only way you can run in
Speaker 3: the primary is you got to be in the party.
Speaker 3: If you're not registered in the party, you can't primary.
Speaker 3: So I think that I agree with primary, and I
Speaker 3: agree that a lot of these people need to be challenged.
Speaker 3: But you've got to build up a base to challenge them.
Speaker 3: And that's why I talk about the temporary folks. You
Speaker 3: need them for flash, but you need your people that
Speaker 3: are gonna be there in and out so they can
Speaker 3: build some permanent structure.
Speaker 2: The nigga's crazy that you know, you look at Trump
Speaker 2: right like them love him, hate him whatever. The fact
Speaker 2: that he gets in office and he actually shows the
Speaker 2: power that we thought other president should have had, especially Democrats,
Speaker 2: like I mean, the first day he gets on stage,
Speaker 2: he gets a pending, he signing executive orders left and right.
Speaker 2: I mean, his guys that's getting that has twenty years
Speaker 2: and just imprisoned ten years in prison parties them immediately.
Speaker 2: And then you look at some of our democratic presidents
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, man, they could have helped so
Speaker 2: many people for good. It just never did, just was
Speaker 2: cowardly and didn't. So how does that give the people confidence?
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 3: And that's why guys like me that would come to
Speaker 3: the Democrats and ask them to pardon people and didn't
Speaker 3: can be disappointed and say I went to Biden and
Speaker 3: asks for certain partons that we couldn't get. Pardon the Sun,
Speaker 3: but I couldn't get him the part in Jesse Jackson's
Speaker 3: son and who should have been parton, and the others
Speaker 3: we went there.
Speaker 2: So how does that make you feel?
Speaker 1: As much as you feel like I'm not.
Speaker 3: Getting everything I want, but I'm certainly not going to
Speaker 3: go on the other side. So we need to then
Speaker 3: put the right kind of leadership there.
Speaker 1: You don't.
Speaker 3: You don't if you're on a team. If the quarterback
Speaker 3: or the or the tacklers can't work, you get better
Speaker 3: team players. You don't join the other team. So that's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. There's a difference in the frustration some
Speaker 3: of us are showing and some of you expressed, and
Speaker 3: then those that went and joined the other team, they
Speaker 3: went and supported Trump like that was an alternative. The
Speaker 3: alternative to having a head cold is not suicide.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, you decided whether you back
Speaker 6: it away from Eric Adams.
Speaker 2: Adams, how do I do what? Look at mayor Eric Adams.
Speaker 3: Look Eric, and I go away. When I started the
Speaker 3: National Action Network, he was one of the founders.
Speaker 1: Where he is now.
Speaker 3: I think that he has made some positions that I
Speaker 3: disagree with, and I've told him that whether he made
Speaker 3: a deal with Trump or not, I don't know, but
Speaker 3: I know that there's some things in policing and all
Speaker 3: we disagree some things that we agree with. But I
Speaker 3: think that he's in a very peculiar political position.
Speaker 1: I don't know how he can get re elected.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say so because before the conversation is
Speaker 5: that you are having a conversation about whether you're going
Speaker 5: to back him as mayor or not again, so you
Speaker 5: have made a decision not to.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he's running yet, as he said
Speaker 1: he's running.
Speaker 2: He hasn't said. He has to Thursday to say if
Speaker 2: he's running again.
Speaker 6: But if he does, say right now, do you know
Speaker 6: what you would do?
Speaker 5: Night, I'll really call you for that because I think
Speaker 5: for me, I'm looking I'm looking at it because I
Speaker 5: definitely will. I'm looking at it because you've been so
Speaker 5: vocal about him and now you're vocally like.
Speaker 6: I don't know what I'm going to do. What do
Speaker 6: you want him to do?
Speaker 1: Like? What do you expect?
Speaker 3: You want to hear him to continue to fight for
Speaker 3: the things that I supported them are, like the right
Speaker 3: kind of policing in our community, like being fair to
Speaker 3: people that are getting cut out of jobs in the
Speaker 3: city of New York life, standing up to Trump on
Speaker 3: a lot of this stuff that he is agreeing with
Speaker 3: Trump on. I do not agree that we should put
Speaker 3: the Haitians and people of color in a category that
Speaker 3: they can be picked up by ice just because of
Speaker 3: what they look like.
Speaker 1: That is racial profiling. I wanted to do those.
Speaker 4: Things as a civil rights leader. Do you feel like
Speaker 4: you should work with this administration on anything with the
Speaker 4: president trumpets. I don't think that I have that option.
Speaker 4: Trump has made it clear he's not gonna work with
Speaker 4: civil Rightley. He tweets at least once a month against
Speaker 4: me by name, because I.
Speaker 3: Fought him when he was here Central Point five. We
Speaker 3: fought him with everybody thought they were guilty. Them boys
Speaker 3: went to jail, and two of them might My rallies
Speaker 3: every week now because we support her. So I don't
Speaker 3: think that the are areas that he and I could
Speaker 3: ever work together. But even though he tried to play democrat,
Speaker 3: he used to come to national Action there were convention twice.
Speaker 1: He can't. But there are some that can work with him.
Speaker 3: I guess to do that, but they need to show
Speaker 3: us the result of the work. You remember, both of you.
Speaker 3: You remember when I had access to Obama, I could
Speaker 3: come out and say, well, I got Obama to do
Speaker 3: this on that. I've not seen any black come out
Speaker 3: and say I got Trump to do anything.
Speaker 1: In fact, the last black I saw come out of
Speaker 1: there was Alma.
Speaker 3: Rosa, who said he's a racist. We don't even have
Speaker 3: an Ama Rosa in the White House.
Speaker 1: Now, do you feel like there's enough resistance on the street. No,
Speaker 1: I do not.
Speaker 3: I think that the resistance on the street when you
Speaker 3: see one of the things we're talking about is doing
Speaker 3: a boycott against a single company and not talking about
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it ten days, thirty.
Speaker 1: You boycott. I grew up in Operation Breadback.
Speaker 3: You boycott till you break them, or you make them
Speaker 3: do what you want to do. You don't put a
Speaker 3: timeline because they're just wait on you and oh we
Speaker 3: got forty days, Oh we got You need to break.
Speaker 1: Things down economically.
Speaker 3: None of these companies that we're studying coming out with
Speaker 3: now can survive a long boy because you find out
Speaker 3: who has a margin of profit four or five percent
Speaker 3: and their consumer dollars thirty percent come from the black community,
Speaker 3: which means all you gotta do is stop seven eight
Speaker 3: out of those thirty to not buy the product longer
Speaker 3: than they can operate in the red.
Speaker 1: That's how you do a boycott. That's what we're getting
Speaker 1: ready to do.
Speaker 3: So you don't want DEI Diversity, Equity and inclusion, fine,
Speaker 3: then you shouldn't have a diversified consumer base. You can't
Speaker 3: have diversity in your selling, in your sales. But you
Speaker 3: don't want diversity in the c suite, then why are
Speaker 3: we buying from you. I can buy my stuff from
Speaker 3: somebody else. And that's what we're coming out this week
Speaker 3: on the company that we're going after, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: stay on them until we get them to turn around
Speaker 3: on this d I thing.
Speaker 2: You know company, I've announced it at the end of
Speaker 2: the convention.
Speaker 3: That's one thing that and we gonn announce where we
Speaker 3: you know, we march every year, Big March a couple
Speaker 3: hundred thousand and Washington. We're gonna do it somewhere else
Speaker 3: this year. I'm announced that on Saturday Day. That to
Speaker 3: the boycott, it's gonna be connected to economics. It's just
Speaker 3: economic battle. We do not have the Senate, we do
Speaker 3: not have the House, but Trump and the Senate and
Speaker 3: the House can't tell us where to spend our dollars.
Speaker 3: We are to focus on corporate businesses and force them
Speaker 3: to tell their man, Donald Trump, what they got to
Speaker 3: back up on.
Speaker 4: That's a mistake that was made after George Floyd, when
Speaker 4: all those corporations you know, proposed all that money that
Speaker 4: we never saw. I remember Reverend Jesse Jackson pressuring corporations
Speaker 4: back in the day to keep their promising.
Speaker 3: I was his youth director. That's why I know I've
Speaker 3: been there. I'm not experiment. I was there. I became
Speaker 3: youth director of Operation Bread Baskets with when I was thirteen,
Speaker 3: So I grew up in this. And you don't have
Speaker 3: a timeline on boycott and you don't stop the pressure until,
Speaker 3: first of all, you have these are the six things
Speaker 3: we want, contracts, money in black banks. That's what we
Speaker 3: were doing, advertising on black media. You don't even have
Speaker 3: black media no more. We would categorize it now. We
Speaker 3: don't do that anymore. And that's why we got to
Speaker 3: bring that back because that worked.
Speaker 6: We don't mean by we don't have black media anymore.
Speaker 3: We don't have enough black owned media. We had more
Speaker 3: black owned media in twenty years ago than we have now.
Speaker 2: What did you how did you feel? You know, I've
Speaker 2: seen the press go at you and go to a
Speaker 2: lot of the people at Kamala Harris's campaign gave money
Speaker 2: to during the campaign. So was what was your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that?
Speaker 1: I expected that I thought they was late.
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris gave some civil rights groups money to help
Speaker 3: get the vote out. Non partisant signed a contract with
Speaker 3: us that we could not uh in any way endorsed candidates,
Speaker 3: so that they were protected.
Speaker 1: We were protecting.
Speaker 3: Nobody ever asked, did you'll have a contract. I think
Speaker 3: she gave several groups a couple million dollars. She gave
Speaker 3: National Action. There were five hundred thousand, and the tour
Speaker 3: we took, I took Central Park five two of them
Speaker 3: all over the country cost us more than that. We
Speaker 3: had to raise more money. So I expected them to
Speaker 3: do that. And my thing, it's fine, we can bring
Speaker 3: the contract. Let's go to court, because then I'm gonna
Speaker 3: ask you about all the money's Republicans was giving some
Speaker 3: of these Christian Conservative churches and these groups.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take a shot. They are not going to
Speaker 1: mess with you unless you messing with them.
Speaker 3: Isn't it interesting You got some of the people that
Speaker 3: you referred to that got some of that money doing
Speaker 3: the George Floyd. They ain't talking about them, they ain't
Speaker 3: prosecuting them. They're going after other people. I'm talking about
Speaker 3: people that.
Speaker 1: Did crazy stuff with that money.
Speaker 3: None of them have you heard, got a problem, but
Speaker 3: they're still beating up on us.
Speaker 6: I had a question for you true.
Speaker 4: People that got hundreds of millions of dollars and nobody
Speaker 4: say I did a half million dollars or a seven month.
Speaker 5: But you know what that's about those because you're you're
Speaker 5: like a figure of face that people want to move
Speaker 5: in target.
Speaker 3: And accept that. That's why I don't give me. I
Speaker 3: don't be crying. I expect, in fact, I get a
Speaker 3: little upset if they don't hit me at least once
Speaker 3: every couple of weeks, must mean I ain't got my fastball.
Speaker 3: Then Jarlamaine to God be saying I done got old.
Speaker 3: So I gotta say.
Speaker 5: I had a question you mentioned like having black people
Speaker 5: sending next to Trump.
Speaker 6: We don't have anybody right now doing that.
Speaker 5: When you talk about Amrosa, people compare Candace Owens to Amorosa,
Speaker 5: and we're saying that she was trying to position herself
Speaker 5: that way. I know she's not the biggest fan of you,
Speaker 5: but like you do you think something like that would
Speaker 5: have been a help or hurt for us if she
Speaker 5: was able to position herself the way she was trying to.
Speaker 6: Who candas owns and.
Speaker 3: You put the canvas owns and and that category not
Speaker 3: been in the White House.
Speaker 6: No she hasn't.
Speaker 5: She was the way people felt like she was trying
Speaker 5: to position herself that way.
Speaker 1: To get there.
Speaker 3: If if she walks in right now, I wouldn't know,
Speaker 3: so I don't notice.
Speaker 6: I know that's right.
Speaker 4: I love what y'all do with Operation brad Basket. I
Speaker 4: have done with Operation bread Basket. That's something that I
Speaker 4: think that this generation needs to study.
Speaker 1: When you look at I remember what bread basket.
Speaker 3: We would go at Donalds or Burger King or whatever
Speaker 3: and say you got to have black franchises. That's how
Speaker 3: black friends and I can name those that had them,
Speaker 3: and those were spelled out results so you could gauge it.
Speaker 3: And that's what we got to go back to. We
Speaker 3: want our own businesses. Yes, okay, give us some franchise.
Speaker 3: Put money in black banks where we can loan money.
Speaker 3: When you look at the fact right here at New
Speaker 3: York City, let's use New York for example, you have
Speaker 3: two thirds of the City of New York black and brown.
Speaker 3: Ask who is managing the funds for the taxpayers. I
Speaker 3: met with had all the Meryl candidates come to our convention,
Speaker 3: and that's one of the things I raised with Eric,
Speaker 3: going put to your thing, how do you have all
Speaker 3: of this money and none of the blacks and financial services,
Speaker 3: whether they an asset manager, whatever, are handling a large
Speaker 3: summer of the money is our taxpayers. So let me
Speaker 3: tell you what happens. I mean with a union. A
Speaker 3: union says that seventy cent of my union members are
Speaker 3: black and Latino. I said, who invests their pension funds? Oh,
Speaker 3: the pension board takes care of that. Let me meet
Speaker 3: with the pension board. Pension boars all white. They lend
Speaker 3: money to developers. Those developers take that money and gentrify
Speaker 3: our community. So grandma's pension funds is the ones that
Speaker 3: are financing her own removal. We need to start thinking
Speaker 3: economic again. And I want to ask you too.
Speaker 4: I know that you know y'all driven a lot more
Speaker 4: traffic the Costco because Costco is somebody who stood by
Speaker 4: their DEI initiatives. What is Costco doing for the move?
Speaker 1: We want? God?
Speaker 3: Well, they I don't want to do nothing for me personally,
Speaker 3: They've never donated to nothing, but I want them to
Speaker 3: open up some Costco stores where we can own some
Speaker 3: of those stores. We can franchise some of those stores.
Speaker 3: We wanted to see. We went to say we're gonna
Speaker 3: do a buy cut. We go in there and buy
Speaker 3: because they stood up for us, but now do business
Speaker 3: with us. I don't want again for us to always
Speaker 3: be the receivers of what is considered charity.
Speaker 1: Give us parody. M hm.
Speaker 4: And you got the National Action Network with It's coming
Speaker 4: up this week right Wednesday honored Miss Patty LaBelle honored.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: We're going to have everybody from the governor of Maryland
Speaker 3: West Moore, who's only black governor, to the chair of
Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. We're gonna ask some hard questions. We're
Speaker 3: gonna have Ben Crump is coming with a lot of
Speaker 3: the cases that we affought. Uh, everybody's gonna be the
Speaker 3: doctor Michael Ary Dyson and it's four days week. Alconvins
Speaker 3: will always have thousands be cause it's free. And uh,
Speaker 3: we even had Charlamagne the God dere one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely I'm gonna be there with him. I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: with you know you're gonna be there because of her.
Speaker 2: He's no, you don't know about that, real clear.
Speaker 1: He's not coming out of respect to me.
Speaker 3: That is not coming with Paddy and the bell made
Speaker 3: it clear. Charlamagne of God is sitting with me, I'm
Speaker 3: not sitting with you, reverend, I said.
Speaker 1: Okay, but they told me what it was.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, absolutely there, yeah, No, he's been there
Speaker 3: for our youth and all that.
Speaker 1: He's done that.
Speaker 5: How did you when asap Rocky was going through all
Speaker 5: of the stuff that he was going through in court
Speaker 5: and you tweeted out about the black jurors, that the
Speaker 5: lack thereof how do you decide when things like that
Speaker 5: come across your desk what you put, like put your
Speaker 5: name on.
Speaker 3: Well, first, the first law I use is that I
Speaker 3: don't ever get involved in some unless somebody involve action.
Speaker 3: When he was in jail, his mother came to me,
Speaker 3: and that's why I stood up for him.
Speaker 1: Then Trump helped get him back. I give Trump credit
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 6: Oh, when he was over and when he gets over.
Speaker 1: There, so that I knew him.
Speaker 3: So when he's on trial this time and somebody in
Speaker 3: his legal team called me and said that you know,
Speaker 3: this is an all white pool that they're choosing from,
Speaker 3: I said that's wrong. He said, would you come out
Speaker 3: of here? I said, I don't have to come out.
Speaker 3: I can tweet, and I tweeted. I wouldn't have done
Speaker 3: that without the legal team, because I wouldn't have known
Speaker 3: what their legal strategy was. Anytime you see me out there,
Speaker 3: it's because some of the family members of the legal
Speaker 3: team have called us. I don't chase ambulance you know,
Speaker 3: people say, ah, the ambulance chasers. No, we ain't ambulance chasers.
Speaker 3: We responded to calls, Oh, so.
Speaker 2: You don't dive in the cases to make sure that
Speaker 2: people are doing right by those individuals like you didn't.
Speaker 2: You wasn't diving in the asab. You wasn't diving into
Speaker 2: the diddy unless somebody actually calls you.
Speaker 3: Somebody actually called and then we research it. For example,
Speaker 3: when George Floyd happened, we were in the middle of
Speaker 3: a pandemic.
Speaker 1: Ben Crump, who's gonna be.
Speaker 3: A leading out speaking criminal Justice forum at the convention,
Speaker 3: he called me very mald Did you hear about this
Speaker 3: guy in Minneapolis? I said, I saw something on the news.
Speaker 3: Because everyone's locked in watching this, he said, the family like.
Speaker 1: To speak to you. I said, okay, they connected me.
Speaker 3: Would you go to Minneapolis, would you leave some margines,
Speaker 3: would you do the funerals?
Speaker 1: I said, have we seen the whole tape? Yeah?
Speaker 3: And it's exactly what we saw. Yeah, I said, right,
Speaker 3: I'm down, no problem. I called Eric Gardner's mother because
Speaker 3: George Floyd reminded me of Eric Garner, you know, the
Speaker 3: whole choke hol of course, and I asked her, I said,
Speaker 3: would you go with me to Minneapolis. I'm gonna do
Speaker 3: the funeral, We're gonna do a march, and we're gonna
Speaker 3: build up to go to Washington.
Speaker 1: She said, I'm down, and I said, we are one
Speaker 1: promise a pandemic.
Speaker 3: We could not get a flight because a lot of
Speaker 3: the flights was down. I called Robert Smith to be
Speaker 3: in there and said, can I use your plane? He said,
Speaker 3: let me see if my pilots are working the pandemic.
Speaker 3: That's how we got the Minneapolis wow.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 3: When we got ready for the last funeral in Houston,
Speaker 3: we had to fly. A lot of the family inside
Speaker 3: was too shy to call Robert again. I called Tyler Perry.
Speaker 3: Tyler Perry sent his plane to bring their family in.
Speaker 3: But all that was based on a phone call. And
Speaker 3: right now from Trayvon Martin all the way to now,
Speaker 3: from Howard Beach thirty some years ago, all those families
Speaker 3: are at our convention. We just had use of Hawkins
Speaker 3: mother at our Saturday rally. Because I stayed with the families.
Speaker 3: I call them on holidays. They kids grew with my kids.
Speaker 3: If they get in to jam, I try to help
Speaker 3: them out because I know it to be in the newspaper.
Speaker 1: We become family.
Speaker 5: Does it ever get like heavy on you or like
Speaker 5: what do you do to kind of like decompressed, Because
Speaker 5: it's a lot of like death and trauma.
Speaker 6: You're speaking at the eulogies.
Speaker 1: It bothers me a lot that I try not to
Speaker 1: think about.
Speaker 3: I have spoke at every victim's funeral you can think,
Speaker 3: and a lot of them we had to help pay
Speaker 3: for it, because you got to remember, nobody's family plans
Speaker 3: on the tragic, and we never even asked for the
Speaker 3: money back, some of them setting for millions in our
Speaker 3: saying you don't mean nothing.
Speaker 1: That's what we do.
Speaker 3: So I mean from back in the day Sean Bell,
Speaker 3: all the way to now. I've done the funeral and artists.
Speaker 3: I was thinking, I just did ROBERTA. Flax eulogy two
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I did James Brown, I did Michael Jackson's.
Speaker 3: I spoke of Aretha Franklins, I did edit, James. I mean,
Speaker 3: you could do a book on a celebrity that would
Speaker 3: make me crazy if I just sat around at night
Speaker 3: thinking about it. So what I do is I get
Speaker 3: up in the morning work out, and I listened to
Speaker 3: the Breakfast Club and I feel better. You just did
Speaker 3: Miss Hazel Dukes to Miss Hazel Duke's I spoke at
Speaker 3: that fuel, but I did the eulogy for bert I
Speaker 3: knew Roberta.
Speaker 1: Since I was thirteen years old. She was in operation.
Speaker 4: Bradbek wow Oon Bredbasket was started by doctor Marluke King Right.
Speaker 3: Kings founded it as his economic arm of Southern christ
Speaker 3: Leeds and Jesse became the Chicago director and then the
Speaker 3: nationals director. And when he became national director, I was
Speaker 3: thirteen years old. I became the youth director in New York.
Speaker 3: So he and Rev. William Jones meant to me.
Speaker 4: I like to study movements that were successful, and you know,
Speaker 4: those movements were successful on so many different levels. What
Speaker 4: should this generation be learning from that civil rights movement
Speaker 4: in the sixties and what wasn't done in that movement
Speaker 4: that should be done now?
Speaker 3: What they should learn is if the objective you should
Speaker 3: judge people by the objective. You cannot in any way
Speaker 3: gauge people by your objective.
Speaker 1: Gauged them by theirs.
Speaker 3: And the objective was they wanted to break down apartheide
Speaker 3: segregation and change the laws on voting. They did that,
Speaker 3: sixty four Voting Rights Act, sixty five Voting Rights Act,
Speaker 3: sixty four Civil Rights Act.
Speaker 1: They did that.
Speaker 3: So what King and them were after they did that,
Speaker 3: then they wanted to build economic basis Jesse and they
Speaker 3: did that. They were able to break in the first
Speaker 3: blacks to get on boards and the first blacks that
Speaker 3: would own a lot of franchises, and Reggie Lewis and
Speaker 3: all of them.
Speaker 1: They did that.
Speaker 3: What we did not do is institutionalize those things. So
Speaker 3: from generation to generation that continued and then we build
Speaker 3: our own businesses.
Speaker 1: We could say what we want.
Speaker 3: I've been a different school of thought than the nation Islam,
Speaker 3: but Elijah Mohammad built business. Any community you win, and
Speaker 3: that's not there no more. So what we've got to
Speaker 3: now perfect is how do you pass it.
Speaker 1: On in your lane?
Speaker 3: And you know, people come to me, I'd like to
Speaker 3: be the next guy action, but you got to be
Speaker 3: about what we're about. If something happened to the pope.
Speaker 3: You don't get a Baptist to be the new Pope,
Speaker 3: you get a Catholic. So if you not in what
Speaker 3: we believe in, you cannot be in that. But if
Speaker 3: you in that, we need to continue that. And that's
Speaker 3: what we're not done. We've seen too many just go
Speaker 3: all political and get out of the economic. You can't
Speaker 3: afford to be political if you don't have money.
Speaker 4: So even with what this administration is doing, you know,
Speaker 4: rolling back a lot of things that have helped black
Speaker 4: people move forward, we can still build those institutions because
Speaker 4: you're doing it.
Speaker 3: Then he can't make us spend money they want. He
Speaker 3: cannot do that. And if you put the right pressure
Speaker 3: on in corporations, they can make him turn around. Why
Speaker 3: is he talking about tariffs and all that and now
Speaker 3: it's all economic. He is a business man. Donald Trump
Speaker 3: has never held office in life. He went in there
Speaker 3: from business. And that's why I say we've got to
Speaker 3: have an economic strategy.
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Speaker 2: at right now, Attorney Benjamin Crump, Stacey Adams, Michael, Eric Diyce,
Speaker 2: and of course, Patti LaBelle is gonna be on and
Speaker 2: Charlamagne is gonna be at her table. Congressman Al Green
Speaker 2: will be joining us, doctor Jamaal Bryant.
Speaker 1: Uh, you have a conversation without d A. Alvin Bragg. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll have d A. Alvin Bragg there.
Speaker 3: Uh, we're gonna talk about a lot of the criminal
Speaker 3: justice stuff from the inside, and then Ben Crump is
Speaker 3: gonna talk about it externally.
Speaker 1: It's all free.
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Speaker 1: All you gotta do is invite me, all right, say
Speaker 1: no more.
Speaker 3: I had to count Charlamagne, God stop, Patty let Bella
Speaker 3: coming thinking he felt bad.
Speaker 1: He knew he's gonna see me Wednesday night. Oh that's
Speaker 1: what he said. I better.
Speaker 5: Can you can you call inlet to cut you off?
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but Friday morning, once you make you see
Speaker 5: Thursday night, can you call it okay? Because we need
Speaker 5: to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I'll call it.
Speaker 3: Okay, i'll call it. But I noticed you covered. I
Speaker 3: was getting ready to tell the whole mister, you can.
Speaker 5: Tell that because I don't like him like that. Oh
Speaker 5: you don't know you yeah, yeah, Reverend saying right.
Speaker 2: There, it's Reverend Al Sharpton. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club