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Speaker 1: Hey guys, friends, Normy's countrymen. Here we are on Normally,

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Speaker 1: the show with normal it takes for when the news

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Speaker 1: gets weird. I'm Mary calthery.

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Speaker 2: Ham and I'm Carol Markowitz. The news is once again weird,

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Speaker 2: Mary Catherine. The San Diego Board.

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Speaker 3: Of Supervisors voted.

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Speaker 2: Three to one yesterday to restrict the use of county

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Speaker 2: resources for federal immigration enforcement. And from what I understand,

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Speaker 2: that means that they are welcoming illegal immigrants. They're not

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Speaker 2: going to help the federal government deal with the legal immigrants,

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Speaker 2: even if those illegal immigrants are criminals, and they're going

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Speaker 2: to be standing in ICE's way as they try to

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Speaker 2: fix the problem.

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Speaker 1: Right. And it's it's a three person board that voted

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Speaker 1: this way, and I believe they seem similarly, and there's

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Speaker 1: one Republican. And the thing is, I truly don't understand this.

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Speaker 1: I often try not to just describe absolutely nuts to

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Speaker 1: people's decision making, but this is something that will protect

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Speaker 1: people who are accused or apprehended of violent crimes a rape,

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Speaker 1: of assaults. And they're just like, no, not only are

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Speaker 1: we not going to help, we're like welcoming this. This

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Speaker 1: is putting out a welcome mat for this specific type

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Speaker 1: of offender. And it does nothing for the people you

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Speaker 1: are charged with protecting except possibly hurt them and make

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Speaker 1: them pay money to keep people there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and another thing is that California swung read this time.

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Speaker 3: In a big way. Obviously it's still a super blue.

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Speaker 2: State, but San Diego County swung red. And it's like

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Speaker 2: they didn't understand what people meant with their votes. And

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Speaker 2: I understand again, it's not the majority. Okay, you could say, oh,

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Speaker 2: the majority still wants blue policies, but you can't look

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Speaker 2: at to move to the right across the country towards

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Speaker 2: Trump and in California and in San Diego County and

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Speaker 2: say no, we're going to keep doing things the way we've.

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Speaker 3: Been doing things. It's totally fine.

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Speaker 1: The San Diego County sheriff, who has something to say

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Speaker 1: about this, as Kelly Martinez announced. According to Bill Malusian,

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Speaker 1: who's a great reporter at Fox and thanks to him

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Speaker 1: for doing all the immigration and border reporting for years.

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Speaker 1: She announces she will not adhere to the super sanctuary policy,

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Speaker 1: which is what they dubbed this approved by the San

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Speaker 1: Diego County Board of the Supervisors today pointing out that

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Speaker 1: she is an independently elected official, the board does not

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Speaker 1: set policy for her office, and she has exclusive authority

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Speaker 1: over county jails. She adds that California state law is

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Speaker 1: clear on when local law enforcement can cooperate with ICE,

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Speaker 1: and that there is no loophole in the law as

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Speaker 1: claimed by Nora Vargas, the Democrat chair of the San

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Speaker 1: Diego County Supervisors who introduced the policy. So it's nice

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Speaker 1: to see the coequal folks stick up for themselves and

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Speaker 1: claim their power, which is what Martinez seems to be

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't understand it either.

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Speaker 2: I think that Okay, let's say you are extremely soft

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Speaker 2: like that. Fine, I know I've heard this from from

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Speaker 2: libertarians and from leftists. Okay, most people aren't like that.

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Speaker 2: Most people believe in some sort of border. What they're

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Speaker 2: saying here is even the criminals, even the people who

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Speaker 2: came in illegally and went on to commit another crime, Still,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to kick those people out.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's where.

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Speaker 2: I think they're losing the majority of people. I don't

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Speaker 2: think that there are many defenders of No, let's keep

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Speaker 2: who this vote is really speaking to because of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a headline from the Atlantic Apparently the San

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Speaker 1: Diego Democrats didn't get the memo. Why Democrats got the

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Speaker 1: politics of immigrations so wrong for so long, they spent

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Speaker 1: And not only that, but as we've talked about, it's

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Speaker 1: costing them Latino votes right. Steve Kornaki revealed who's a

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. This is not something you can just write

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Speaker 1: off as fake or whatever the new word they're using

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Speaker 1: What was the one they came up with for that white.

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Speaker 3: Adjacent's I don't know that's another word, cheap fakes.

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Speaker 1: This is not a cheap ing phenomenon. This is not

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Speaker 2: So Axios had a whole thing also where California and

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Speaker 2: Latinos are specifically moving to the right, and they're really

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just you're ignoring the.

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Speaker 2: Big picture here at the peril of your party. Fine,

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Speaker 2: you want to keep doing these crazy things, keep doing them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be electorally advantageous to

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Speaker 3: Kind of thing up.

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Speaker 2: But you know, like we said last time, there's a

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Speaker 2: vibe shift. The vibe shift has arrived. People have had

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Speaker 2: enough of the nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Well, and when Trump talked about it to Kristin Walker

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Speaker 1: of NBC for Meet the Press, he did like a

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Speaker 1: him about immigration. Look, this is something that very clearly

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Speaker 1: he ran on, very clearly. People knew what they were getting,

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Speaker 1: and she says, there, you know, are you really going

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Speaker 1: to do the mass deportation? And he said what most

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Speaker 1: of it. And then he even was like added the

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Speaker 1: idea that there could be exemptions for dreamers, people who

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Speaker 3: Trump almost did that last time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so yeah, I think she was expecting him to

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Speaker 2: Well, as we've said on this show several times, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is a moderate and anyone who thinks otherwise has

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Speaker 2: he's seen as this far out radical. It's not radical

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Speaker 2: to say people who.

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Speaker 3: Enter the country illegally should be removed.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's anything crazy about that.

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Speaker 3: I think most Americans would agree with that. So again,

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Speaker 2: And the arguments from the left are so offensive.

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Speaker 3: Like who's going to pick your fruit? Who's going to

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm sorry, are we really importing an underclass of

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Speaker 1: That one doesn't work for me, that argument doesn't work

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm okay with not doing that.

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Speaker 1: Let's not do that. Yeah. Well, and it speaks to

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Speaker 1: the arguments of someone like a Josh Holly who makes

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Speaker 1: a populist argument that illegal immigration drives down wages for Americans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on the jail stuff, the criminal stuff, it's not going

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Speaker 2: Right, No sex changes for criminal illegal immigrants was Trump's

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Speaker 2: whole thing filost exchanges and also maybe you know, kicking

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Speaker 1: By the way, when we talk about people who are

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I saw sauced on it, but

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Speaker 1: Eactly like I think I was probably more middle of

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Speaker 2: It just it became too blatant, and and also just

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Speaker 3: But she in the last few.

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Speaker 2: Weeks has been sending me kind of like, is this migrant.

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Speaker 2: Like this, they wait, they take flights with no id

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Speaker 2: you heard of this migrant crisis?

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes I have. Well, and I think that's part

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when people see illegal immigrants being getting better treatment

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm an immigrant.

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Speaker 2: I was a refugee to this country. Let me tell

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Speaker 2: It was like somebody had to promise to take care

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Speaker 2: my mother's sister stayed in Russia. She had already had

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Speaker 1: But she would.

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Speaker 2: She came to visit one time in my entire life,

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Speaker 2: But if she flew to Mexico and walked across the border,

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Speaker 1: Give you some fun. You know.

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Speaker 2: She died a few years ago, having only visited us

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Speaker 2: one time ever. And that's what happens when you follow

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Speaker 3: Nobody likes. That will be right back on normally.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of that same dynamic our staff today. I

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Speaker 5: Do you guys think the United Healthcare CEO killer is hot?

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Speaker 3: Killed for absolutely no reason.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is going to change in healthcare policy because of

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Speaker 2: In fact, I would say that they you know, for

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Speaker 1: making excuses for this. Elizabeth Warren, Yeah, communists, you know. Man.

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Speaker 1: Senator Elizabeth Warren talking about the killing of United Healthcare

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Speaker 3: The very first people to the guillotine. Guillotine.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren has a net worth of approximately seventy five millions.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that that's correct, but.

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Speaker 1: She ain't poor, She's not.

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Speaker 2: No if we are rich, yeah, she's the rich, right,

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Speaker 2: tell you, Elizabeth Warren, you are right up against that wall.

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Speaker 2: I do not believe that They're not going to come

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Speaker 2: for you. That's not how this whole thing works. Of course,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel also at least fifty million dollars. These are

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Speaker 1: Well, and can you can you imagine thinking it's okay

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Speaker 1: by the way, Daniel Penny's an actual hero who saved people.

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Speaker 2: It usually goes without saying that you shouldn't celebrate assassinations,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, yes, thank you very much. The other thing

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Speaker 1: That's why they had different ways of rationing. And it

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Speaker 2: In other ways your taxes won't go up you think

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're going to take a short break and come

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Speaker 2: So do we need to find out who.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go to Caitlin Clark. Kaitlin Clark was featured

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Speaker 1: She's just successful? Yeah, and she says, I want to

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Speaker 3: It's like, clearly that was written in October.

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Speaker 1: Clark missed the memo on the vibe shift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I use crazy language like that anymore.

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Speaker 1: We don't for her. I want to stick up for

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Speaker 1: her a little bit, because I feel bad for her

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Speaker 1: that she got it from the left while she was

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Speaker 1: successful pre October and November of twenty twenty four, and

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Speaker 1: then she got it physically on the court, and then

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Speaker 1: she got it now she's getting it from the right

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Speaker 1: because people are upset that she's said this thing, and

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Speaker 1: now listen, I don't think Clark is getting herself any

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Speaker 1: credit from anyone by saying this, which is right, if

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Speaker 1: you on a practical front, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Not do this.

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Speaker 1: However, I am sympathetic to the idea that she is

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Speaker 1: playing in a very hostile environment and she has to

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Speaker 1: remain there, so she's trying to find a way to

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Speaker 1: do that. And I'm sort of impressed that she's kept

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Speaker 1: her head about her the way she has, because she's

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Speaker 1: a very fierce competitor. I am not nearly as good

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Speaker 1: a competitor, but perhaps as fear set times and I

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Speaker 1: would have lost it like several of those contacts made

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Speaker 1: with her. So I think she's trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how to grow up in this league, how to find

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Speaker 1: a spot, and I hope that the league matures quickly

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Speaker 1: to the point where it can like take all the

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Speaker 1: increased money increased sales, increased Jersey sales, increased endorsement deals

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Speaker 1: that Clark has brought more graciously.

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Speaker 3: That would be nice. Yeah, the problem with what she

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Speaker 3: said to me is it.

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Speaker 2: Does ring very walking the line, getting into line.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Part of the thing with leftism is it's very conformist

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Speaker 2: and you have to say certain things, and you have

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Speaker 2: to say things in certain ways, and you have to

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Speaker 2: use the right language. And she's clearly trying to do

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Speaker 2: that there. I feel sorry for her that she feels

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Speaker 2: like she has to, but like you said, it's probably

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Speaker 2: the environment that she's in and she is trying.

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Speaker 3: To ingratiate herself into it.

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Speaker 2: The thing I would say to her if I were

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Speaker 2: her friend is these are circular firing squads and you're

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Speaker 2: never going to win. Somebody always gets shot and it

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Speaker 2: might be you and it might not be you. But

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Speaker 2: saying what they want here is never going to get

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Speaker 2: you out of that squad. I mean, just keep dropping

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Speaker 2: thirty fright, I mean, just keep doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: and don't say that you were privileged because you're white.

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Speaker 3: You're privileged because you're really really good.

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Speaker 1: She's very good.

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Speaker 2: Again, I've heard of you Caitlin Clark, that must mean something.

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Speaker 1: It must mean something. Yeah. I do think a little

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Speaker 1: bit of drama in a league brings eyeballs, but the

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Speaker 1: kind of hostility that she experienced was beyond that and

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Speaker 1: made many of her competitors look bad, while she frankly

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Speaker 1: looked great because she put up with a bunch of

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Speaker 1: crap and continued to win.

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