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Speaker 1: On today's edition of The Booth Review. That Jaydon Daniels, guy,

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Speaker 1: he's okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Forget about Jade Daniels. It's Austin Cyberman. That guy is

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Speaker 2: the spark that started the flame.

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Speaker 1: And well you are about to see the greatest podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's World War Two The Booth Review coming up next.

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Speaker 1: Welcome into the latest edition of The Booth Review podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Bram Weinstein with Logan Paulson. We're back from a

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Speaker 1: long flight home from Arizona as we now covered the

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Speaker 1: greatest team of all time. This is Listen. I want

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Speaker 1: to get into the you know, like, I love doing

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Speaker 1: this with you because we like, we talk so much

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Speaker 1: about what we expect, what we're going to see. Everyone

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Speaker 1: knows how much film you watch, and like, I love

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Speaker 1: how analytical you are about it. But I think there's

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Speaker 1: some big picture stuff that we kind of need to

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Speaker 1: talk about that By the end of the broadcast, I

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Speaker 1: think I turned to you and I go, is this real?

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Speaker 1: And I think I don't. I can't believe that it is. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because it's so beyond expectation and it's so beyond logic. Yeah, really,

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Speaker 1: be honest, Like, I've never seen anything like this I

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Speaker 1: don't know whatever expectations you could have had for Jade

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Speaker 1: it or you're lying to yourself.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It is kind of unbelievable. Like I

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Speaker 2: think back to when I played, and you know, all

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Speaker 2: the football that I watched when I was playing and

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Speaker 2: then obviously covering the team, and you know, I just

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Speaker 2: don't remember an offense performing with this level of efficiency.

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Speaker 2: I don't definitely don't remember a rookie performing with this

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Speaker 2: level of efficiency. And I think it's it is tremendous.

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Speaker 2: He's doing a tremendous job, like you said it on

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Speaker 2: and his efficiency. And I think the thing for me,

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Speaker 2: it's like you're trying I try to rationalize it immediately,

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Speaker 2: like well, why is this? And I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 2: know jayde and I watched him. He was I think

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Speaker 2: So you say, oh, well, you know, maybe Arizona's defense

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Speaker 2: and that's allowing him to be more efficient, and so

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Speaker 2: you're always kind of trying to guard against it. But

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Speaker 2: irrespective of the level of defense that he's going against, like,

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Speaker 2: the decisions that he's making and the consistency of the

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Speaker 2: and it's it's just incredible to watch.

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Speaker 1: It's partially my job to try to contextualize and every

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Speaker 1: notes that say things like, not since World War Two

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Speaker 1: which might be the greatest NFL team ever, the last

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Speaker 1: of the greatest offenses and defenses going at the same time.

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Speaker 1: And then you see metrics like no quarterback through a

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Speaker 1: four game span has a completion percentage as high as

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Speaker 1: saying trestway and punted for two. That has a lot

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Speaker 1: they were doing stats about punts. You know, Like every

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Speaker 1: week I'm reading these they're absurd statistics that are based

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Speaker 1: take anything away from Cliff Dan all the offensive players.

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Speaker 1: We can get into all of them, but this is

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Speaker 1: based around what I think is singularly, for a month,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you brought up a really good

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Speaker 2: It's just it's unbelievable that what he's been able to do.

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Speaker 2: But can you sustain this level of play? And I

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Speaker 2: It's the coordinator, it's the receivers, it's the detail with

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Speaker 1: No, I mean, like it just I've never seen anything

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Speaker 2: But I think that's the thing. Is it real? Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like doing things Tom Brady didn't do it. He won

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Speaker 1: Well, and there's so many like different moments where you go, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, too yeah, And again that's where you kind of say,

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Speaker 2: I think the other thing is his poise that people

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Speaker 1: think some of it was he replaced Eckler through this

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Speaker 1: But McNichols had this great block, and then of course

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Speaker 1: back to how can this possibly be real?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, and again like it's an the only time

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Speaker 2: and two.

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Speaker 1: Why you thought what they were what sell out on

430
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Speaker 1: the run.

431
00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 2: No, So I just I just thought, like, it's it's tough.

432
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,280
Speaker 2: It's tough to because that's what they did against Cincinnati.

433
00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 2: It's tough to maintain those manageable third downs. It's like

434
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Speaker 2: kind of like the thing we were talking about earlier.

435
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 2: It's like is this real? Can you do this consistently?

436
00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:03,439
Speaker 2: And Ayden's ability to scramble, not for twenty five yards

437
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,719
Speaker 2: but for four yards here, five yards here, get us

438
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: in a third and one, get us in a third

439
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 2: and two is extremely valuable. And if I'm Jonathan Gann,

440
00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 2: and I can't bring any of my exotic stuff in

441
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 2: those down in distances because it doesn't match up from

442
00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: a coverage standpoint with the run stuff that we can

443
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,720
Speaker 2: do from the short guarded situation. So I think that's

444
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,840
Speaker 2: one element. I think the run of Jane's ability to

445
00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,840
Speaker 2: scramble was huge because there were some second long's third

446
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,639
Speaker 2: lungs where they didn't do it. They chose not to

447
00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: do it, But I think it was kind of a

448
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: combination of thing. And I think when you look at

449
00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 2: game flow and game efficiency in this game specifically and

450
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati, think about like, this team is very rarely

451
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Speaker 2: over this two game one streak, and even against New

452
00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: York in a third and long situation because of Jade

453
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Speaker 2: and Daniels. Even on a bad play, there was a

454
00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: couple where there's pressure, he scrambles out, he gets up

455
00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,720
Speaker 2: in the pocket, he pitches the ball to zach Ertz,

456
00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: and that seems like a nothing play, But if you

457
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 2: take a sack there, that's third and twelve, and they

458
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 2: are bringing something crazy the next down, you better right.

459
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Speaker 1: To force him to throw it under. They'll never get

460
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Speaker 1: the first time you're punting.

461
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going to bring some crazy blitz like we

462
00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: talked about, like all those exotic pressures that they showed.

463
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: But now no, now we're in a third and three

464
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 2: and we can live here and you can't do what

465
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Speaker 2: you want to do. And so I think in terms

466
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: of one of the metrics that I kind of want

467
00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: to keep an eye on is how readily they can

468
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: stay in those positive down and distance for the offense,

469
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: because it's huge. It's huge in terms of down and

470
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: down efficiency. And again the credit goes to Jaden because

471
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Speaker 2: there's times where Cliff calls to play and they cover

472
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Speaker 2: it and he scrambles for five and all of a sudden,

473
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Speaker 2: you're like, that should have been a sack, That should

474
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Speaker 2: have been an incompletion. That' said at worst case second

475
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 2: and ten and said we're at second and four and

476
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 2: we can run, we can play action pass, we can

477
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 2: run a keeper, we can run zone read, we can

478
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Speaker 2: run RPO. It's all on the table there, and that

479
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: down in distance and you have to respect everything defensively,

480
00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,359
Speaker 2: so you can't be in these unsound third down pressure

481
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 2: looks like that. They showed on one.

482
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Speaker 1: Of the scoring drives touchdown drives, and you're gonna have

483
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Speaker 1: to look up what one it is because I'm confused

484
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,959
Speaker 1: now I can't remember, but it was in the second half.

485
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: You're going to remember this because it was one of

486
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Speaker 1: the first times that we've seen him kind of get

487
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: caught and have to throw off his back foot and

488
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 1: he was sliding to his left, and it was one

489
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 1: of the first times he wasn't totally set the way

490
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Speaker 1: we're typically seeing him set. It was like one of

491
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Speaker 1: the first times I've seen him caught and somewhat surprised

492
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: by something that a defense did. He's there a strike anyway, Yeah,

493
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Speaker 1: I think it was McCaffrey who caught that one. Yeah,

494
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: and that was had to have been what read three.

495
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: No way, he's the primary receiver on that throw. There's

496
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Speaker 1: no chance on it.

497
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Speaker 2: And so yeah, I went back and watched that today

498
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: and it was in like the low red It was like,

499
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Speaker 2: I think it was on like the twenty five yard

500
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: line maybe, and he's looking to terry to the left.

501
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: They match it really well. They've been They've had a

502
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Speaker 2: lot of success running kind of like this little stick

503
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,119
Speaker 2: concept or a spot concept. Receiver runs a five yard stop,

504
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 2: the back runs some type of flare, you know what

505
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: I mean. They set on the covered really well. He

506
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: resets his feet and is able to deliver kind of

507
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 2: like he's like a little open with his stance and

508
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: usually when he's opening it with his stance like the

509
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: ball's errant. But delivers an absolute dime to Luke. And

510
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: again the ability to she showed a very good but

511
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: mobility so far over the last three games to say

512
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: no get my feet lined up. Yes, and he had

513
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 2: some really fantastic throws in this game. That was one

514
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: of them. Obviously, the touchdown to Terry was incredible over

515
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: the middle of the field. He had one to Noah

516
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: Brown on a ten yard out where it's cover three.

517
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: There's a hook player right under the out. He just

518
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of layers it right over. It's one that Terry

519
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,679
Speaker 2: kind of toe taps down there. We weren't sure if

520
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 2: it was a catch in the booth. And so in

521
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 2: addition to all of the game efficiency metrics that we've

522
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Speaker 2: been talking about, I thought in this game too, there

523
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 2: was some really spectacular just talented throws. You know, there

524
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 2: was one where it's third and thirteen, one of the

525
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 2: rare third and thirteens. They bring a line stunt, he

526
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 2: gets confused, he's kind of fallen away from it, and

527
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 2: Noah Brown's kind of standing of the first down marker

528
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: waving his hands and he kind of side arm three

529
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: quarter releases it. And that's something that if he has

530
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: that in the bag too, it's just like, in addition

531
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: with the efficiency, you're just like, man like this guy again,

532
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: he doesn't have maybe the arm horsepower that like a

533
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: Josh Allen does. The arm talent, the ability to layer throws,

534
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: the quick release, the ability to intellectually probably yeah yeah.

535
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Speaker 1: No, no, we may not have Allen's arm, but.

536
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: And I make that comparison because he's got the best

537
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 2: arm in the league, you know, you know, like and

538
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,879
Speaker 2: that's you don't need it and he's done. He's shown

539
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: that the other arm talent stuff like the other the

540
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,360
Speaker 2: different release points, the quickness of the release, the quickness

541
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Speaker 2: of the feet, the ability layer throws. That stuff is huge.

542
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: And you think about like Tom Brady, for example, who

543
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: made a career doing that stuff. Drew Brees all the

544
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: all the kind of top guys of the last generation

545
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: or that last era of football. That's how they made

546
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 2: a living. And so for him to start showing that stuff.

547
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 2: And again, it's not every throw, it's not every down.

548
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: And Cliff's done a good job of kind of saying,

549
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: hey man, we're going to manage you. We run quick game,

550
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 2: run keepers, we run playpass. Those are easier downs and

551
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 2: distance for the court, those are easier downs for the

552
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: quarterback period. But then to see these exceptional moments when

553
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: Cliff does ask him to do more is again it

554
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: kind of gets me really excited for his potential.

555
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Speaker 1: I mean, there was a no, I can't remember what

556
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: point in the game it was, but he just outlet

557
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: it to a wide open John Bates because things had

558
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: just broken down, and he throws over it. So he found,

559
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, outlet four on a play. And this is

560
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: where again, these this is why these metrics, these numbers,

561
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: they're not aberrational. And that's why it keeps coming back

562
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: to how could this possibly be real? He's only played

563
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: four games in the NFL. Each of these defenses have

564
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: brought something completely different to him. Each and every week. Right,

565
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: So Tampa Bay comes in with the typical exotic blitzes.

566
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 1: They said all week they were gonna do it, and

567
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: they did it. Right, The Giants don't do that now

568
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 1: that wing Martindale's gone. They brought what twenty percent whatever

569
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: they did, he got to see something completely different. Cincinnati

570
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: was a good mix, right, we thought, go did They're

571
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: not gonna let them run the ball that easily. They're

572
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: gonna make him throw and prove that he could do it.

573
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: He did. And then this one, if you had watched

574
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: Arizona coming in, you would have thought that they would

575
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: have brought more pressures than they did. They dropped out

576
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: of them and he was a locksmith again. He's picked

577
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: every safe. Yeah, you know, it's like it's right, that's

578
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: the most. That's the other part of this, like they're

579
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: facing very different game plans against him, like they're trying

580
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: to react to him and he's a step ahead.

581
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think again you got to give credit

582
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: to Cliff there. And then this is where you know,

583
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: for your football nerds out there listening to this podcast,

584
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: the game flow here is so critical because I think

585
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 2: we ran seventy one offensive plays. I think thirty five

586
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: passes whatever it is, twenty nine runs whatever. I don't

587
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 2: remember the exact numbers, but the ability to run the

588
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 2: football is effectively they did again, that keeps you. I

589
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: positive down in distance, That keeps you Those are de

590
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: leverage moments. So like again, I'm always making comparisons to

591
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: last year. People always ask me, oh, is this is

592
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: this just an indictment of sanhal Is this an indictment

593
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 2: of the old line. No, it's just when you leverage

594
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: a group and you leverage a position to say this

595
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: is this is always hard for you. You're going to

596
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 2: make mistakes. And so I look at again, Cliff's done

597
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: a great job. We stick with their on Those are

598
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: easy downs for the quarterback, right, not a lot of

599
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: decision making involved game, Not a lot of decision making involved.

600
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: We got to be quick with our release. He's handled

601
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 2: that really well. The keepers, the boots, the play action.

602
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 2: There's another ten plays. He's only leveraged, only leverage in

603
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: terms of high leverage decision moments in this Arizona game,

604
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: maybe twelve times, which is how you want him to operate.

605
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: And then as he gets more comfortable, that number can

606
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: jump to fifteen or twenty or whatever it is. But

607
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that's that is I get

608
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: so I think you just have to give Cliff and

609
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: this offensive staff and the head coach credit because they understand,

610
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 2: like look what they did with Caleb Williams in Chicago,

611
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 2: like very leveraged all the time, and it's hard, it's

612
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: hard to play football like that in the NFL in

613
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But they understand we got to keep

614
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: him in. And the other thing about this game that

615
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: I think is incredibly important is the defense played well. Yes,

616
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: they played really well, and it allows you to never

617
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 2: depart from our goal as a team, which is to

618
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: run the football, be conservative as a passer. And then

619
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: when we got to have it on third and long,

620
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: whatever we're in, we feel like we got to take

621
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: a shot, that's when we put a little bit more

622
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: pressure on him, and he's ruders into the occason every.

623
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Speaker 1: I mean honestly too, Like people laughed a him and

624
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,399
Speaker 1: I said during camp, I go, look, go look at

625
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: the profile of this team and tell me this is

626
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: not maybe close to a fifty to fifty run team

627
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: if this is what they want to be, and people

628
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: nobody does that in the NFL. Anymore. Well, I'm like,

629
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: this team will go look at the players that they have.

630
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: You're setting does that now? Yeah? But coverage structures, like

631
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 2: if you watch all twenty two film, coverage structures are

632
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: absolutely insane now. And if you're not one of these

633
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: great processors like Tom Brady and Tampa Bay right before

634
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 2: I retired, or name your elite passer maybe even but

635
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: even even when you watch like the Bills, for example,

636
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 2: they're able to insulate him because he's such a good runner, right,

637
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: and you just cannot do it anymore. That's why you're

638
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: seeing a huge uptick in EPA in rush efficiency. It's

639
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: becoming a more valuable play because everyone's playing two shell.

640
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: And it's not just straight two shell. It's not like

641
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: Madden Cover two. It's like this Ameeba Cover four match

642
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 2: where it's like it can play like two versus this

643
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: looking and play like six versus this. It's hard to

644
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: read for quarterbacks. So let's simplify it. Let's get you

645
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 2: to simplify your fire cover structure by how we run

646
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: the football. And I have a having a quarterback who

647
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 2: can elevate and run when he has to and extend

648
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: the down. So I think that's what that's what's so important.

649
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: It's like this there's a transition happening, I think in

650
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: the NFL because quarterback experience is so low. You need

651
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 2: to become more efficient at running the football. So to

652
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: your point, it's like, it's not only what this team

653
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: has to do, it's what the majority of teams in

654
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 2: the NFL are going to be forced to do to be.

655
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: Successful, and quarterback experience is really low, with the exception

656
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 1: of this particular quarterback who's coming in with a high

657
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: level of experience. He's played a ton, he played for

658
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: a professional coach at Arizona State and Herm Edwards. He's

659
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: played for a guy who probably could be a professional

660
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 1: coach and Brian Kelly if he wanted to be at LSU.

661
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,719
Speaker 1: He walks in the door here with a work ethic

662
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: that has shown its way through his improvement through his

663
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: collegiate career, and it's lasted to this point, so no

664
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Speaker 1: surprises ahead of the curve. Maybe part of this alteration

665
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: has helped him jumps are his own career because they

666
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: don't have to ask him to do maybe a million

667
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: different things that maybe previous younger quarterbacks had to deal with.

668
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get, yeah, that's that's that's for sure true.

669
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Speaker 2: And it's also true that like Cliff's done a great

670
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: job of making it easy for him, like just and

671
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 2: I look at it and I think to myself, like,

672
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a high school offensive coordinator, and Cliff

673
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: has taken a principle of just making it easy and

674
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: applied it to the highest level. And so in some

675
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: ways it's like a masterclass of like saying this is

676
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: the easiest we can make it for you. I'm not

677
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 2: going to leverage you. And again, I'm not saying Jayden

678
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: can't do these things, because he's shown the ability to

679
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: do those things. It's just when it's supposed to be easy,

680
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: how easy can I make it? And one big criticism

681
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: I was listening to something the Athletic Athletic put out

682
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 2: about Saint Shane Waldron about how there is no easy

683
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: in his offense. It's all kind of these high leverage,

684
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: very challenging throws. It's like you need easy stuff for

685
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: the quarterback. And I think you got to give Cliff

686
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: as much credit, not all the credit, but a lot

687
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: of credit because the easies are easy and Jade's making

688
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: them look easy and he's hitting on him, which is important,

689
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: but he's the setup for those are just incredible and

690
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 2: he deserves a ton of credit again just to de

691
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 2: leverage that position as much as he can. So when

692
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: we got to have it, when you got to have these,

693
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: these these masterful moments where he's got to draw on

694
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: his experience and the coaching that he had at Arizona

695
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 2: State and the experience he gained at LSU. He can,

696
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: but he doesn't have to do it all the time.

697
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Speaker 1: I want to transition to the defense at a second,

698
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,239
Speaker 1: but just one more thing on just the offense as

699
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: a whole, which really was noticeable Monday night carried over again.

700
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: They're winning at the line. Their offense is more physical

701
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: than the defensive players they are facing. This is now

702
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks in a row, saw Andrew Wiley

703
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: just saying how much he loves it. You can tell

704
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: how re engaged he is in this offense as opposed

705
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: to what they had. Cosmy continues to progress, has these

706
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: laughable trucking moments where you could see the pro bowl

707
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: level that's coming out of him. Baddish has been an upgrade.

708
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: He's had tough tasks the first couple of weeks, Lawrence Vidavea.

709
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: People like that. Alec Reddy's been good for them. They're

710
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: sitting here with They're rotating tackles, no problem, Colevit's getting better.

711
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: They're both playing well. Physicality of senate physicality of Nick

712
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Nichols physicality. Yes, like when Quinn talks about this physicality.

713
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: We talked to him after the game. I said, you know, people,

714
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: when you hear you say you're gonna like how we

715
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: get down, everyone thinks of you as that defensive minded thing.

716
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: What they saw in Dallas, what they saw in Seattle,

717
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: what they saw in Atlanta. It's happened on the offense

718
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: with the way the coverage units the offense where they

719
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: are extraordinarily physical and winning. And for all of the

720
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: stuff that we talk about, this scheme, that scheme make

721
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: it easy. This guy needs to do this, This guy

722
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: needs to do that. Sometimes this game is about are

723
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: you going to be stronger and more physical and more

724
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: aggressive than the other team, because at its core, that's

725
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: what this sport is, and this team on that side

726
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: of the ball has definitively been that. So while Jaden's

727
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: been outstanding and the schemes have been great, the timing

728
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: of the calls. Chef's kiss right, I've been really great.

729
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: The physicality has stood out to me too. This looks

730
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: like the old Washington teams with the Hogs running people over.

731
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: You want nothing to do with their running backs late

732
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: in the game because they're gonna bowl you over. They

733
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: get positive yardage every single time. It's a physical unit

734
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: up there right now.

735
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, you mentioned a lot of

736
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 2: guys there, and b Rob deserves us on our credit too,

737
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: because there's times where it's not always clean and he's

738
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 2: just a big body getting downhill. And like there was

739
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 2: I think it was the first or second run they

740
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: had from scrimmage, and it was a little bit messy.

741
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: There's a guy at his feet and he and I'm like, oh,

742
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: that's a you know, in my mind just watching the clip,

743
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's a that's a that's a near

744
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: zero game run, like there's no way, but ends up

745
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 2: their fourth and they're second and six, you know what

746
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: I mean. So he fought scratch and claude and that

747
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: they pushed the pile and the offensive lines grinding for

748
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: four yards and that might not seem like a lot,

749
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: but again it just keeps you in a position where

750
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: you can be effective. So yeah, and again they made

751
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 2: the decisions to bring those guys in and then to

752
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 2: elevate guys that they you know, Aligrady his physical tough guy, beattish,

753
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 2: physical tough guy, Benson at physical tough guy, and then

754
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: we we promote Cosmy, we give him an extension. Right.

755
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: We understand what Andrewan is and I think the last

756
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: staff didn't really understand what they had here. But he

757
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: is a guy that is incredibly bendy, incredibly flexible, can

758
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 2: get out in space. And that was the expectation when

759
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: they signed him. I think we all thought that's what

760
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: they were going to be. But they're like to see

761
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: this staff now actualizing that ability, you know, is special,

762
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: I think, and they're and it's the receivers too, like

763
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,720
Speaker 2: Noah Brown, like he's one of the most physical blockers

764
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: I've seen in terms of free agency, and Luke Mcoffrey,

765
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,479
Speaker 2: same way, Tami. So like it's a mindset, but they've

766
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: brought the right people in to engage in that mindset.

767
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: I think defensively, you're starting to see that also, like

768
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: you said, with the special teams too, it's it's not

769
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: talking about it, it's being about it and bringing the

770
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: right people in to get that done.

771
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Speaker 1: And they said Quinn mentioned this, Joe Wittett said, he goes.

772
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: We told them were closer after the first three games

773
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: than maybe they thought or what you all think this was.

774
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: It's not even close. That was their best collective defensive

775
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: performance of the year by far. What do you think

776
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: was different?

777
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of stuff.

778
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they just seemed a little bit

779
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: more well coached. There's that you know, you talked about

780
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: this and you have such a succinct way of putting

781
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: stuff like Kyler Murray's a slot machine, so like you know,

782
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: there are times where it's great and there are times

783
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: where it's bad, but you know, you pull that lever

784
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: a lot for the good stuff. And I think with

785
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray specifically, if you could get them I'm gonna

786
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: say this again, in game flow that is conducive to

787
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 2: what you want to do defensively, which is making him

788
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: throw from the pocket, You're gonna win. Like you're gonna

789
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: win that football game. You're gonna win that matchup because

790
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: they they're built on running the football. That team like that.

791
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: It keeps them in, It keeps them in a very

792
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 2: similar situation with the Commanders were positive down in distance

793
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: fourth and six. We can run play action, we can

794
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 2: run keepers, we can do stuff with Kyler. When you're

795
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: in third and ten, he is not good enough to

796
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: sit back and dissect you. And so I think they

797
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 2: did a really good job on early downs of managing

798
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: the first down runs. When they got them in a

799
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: third long the pass rush came alive. I think Dorren's

800
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: armstrong deserves a tremendous shout out. I think game is

801
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 2: a command I think you see Jeremy chin development, you know,

802
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: like to the level you know, he was great in

803
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: coverage or kicks. He's physical as a run player, like

804
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: that mentality. The two linebackers inside, I thought made a

805
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 2: ton of plays, you know, Wagner on the sack where

806
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: he's supposed to match the running back and then just

807
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: fall just making plays, and like we have not had

808
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: that level of production here. And then to be fair, like,

809
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: you know, even though the secondary wasn't perfect by any

810
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 2: stretch of the imagination, seeing what a serviceable pass rush

811
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: does for them, you're like that's a non issue, you know,

812
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: what I mean in the back end if the rush

813
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: is there, and so I think like that should give

814
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: fans a lot of hope and a lot of optimism

815
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: to say the roadmap is there and they seem to be.

816
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: And the other thing I have to give this a

817
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: shout out to as I thought they communicated so much better,

818
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 2: like just being aware of like, hey, this is a bunch,

819
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: this is how we're playing this, We're in a stack,

820
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: this is how we're playing this. This is the run.

821
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, we got a motion. Who's going, I'm going,

822
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: let's And that covers up a lot of the issues

823
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: they were having versus a team like Tampa Bay where

824
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: they're miss aligned, they're not in the right gap schemes

825
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: and things like that, and I think they just it

826
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: was good for them to get a little bit of

827
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 2: confidence and they played so much harder. So kind of

828
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: all those things encapsulated a very very solid defensive.

829
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeahoughts, you know, to the point of like with Washington,

830
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: Ekler was out, how are they going to replace them?

831
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: Well they figured that out. McNichols was outstanding obviously for them,

832
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: score two touchdown. He had another great blitz pickup block,

833
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: not unlike he had in the Cincinnati he made another

834
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: one you'll see on film if you go back and watch.

835
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: But like with Arizona, Trey McBride was out. Okay, so

836
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: he's their best tight end. You wouldn't think that that

837
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: would stifle them, but it did. And there was something

838
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 1: really noticeable about just them collectively. If you watched them,

839
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: they running the ball to Connor very well. Harrison's starting

840
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: to emerge. He's stud, you know, like he's total stud.

841
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: He's emerging. But McBride was the go to player for

842
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: Murray and kind of to your point of if you

843
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: can kind of get him in a third and long situation,

844
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: I think he's looking for one or two guys and

845
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: one of them wasn't available, and all of the sudden,

846
00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: it was almost as if he didn't know where to

847
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: go with the ball. So I didn't realize how big

848
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: a deal that was going to be that he didn't plays.

849
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: We always talk about injuries and this is gonna be

850
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: a big deal, and then most of the time the

851
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: teams figure it out, next man up, whatever it is,

852
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: you know, and you lose your quarterbacks a different story,

853
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: but like you lose this player, you lose that player.

854
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: We lost Eckler, We never a problem returning kicks this week,

855
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: We never retire a problem with the second or whatever

856
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 1: you want to call running back with b Robb. That

857
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: didn't happen for this team this week. But them without

858
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: McBride turned out to be a humongous advantage, which I

859
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: think is more of an indictment of Arizona and more

860
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 1: an indictment of Murray than it is of anything else.

861
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: But I thought it stood out by the end because

862
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: if you went and looked at the targets for the

863
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: other receivers, Zach Pascal has none this year, like things

864
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: like that, So he's looking for one or two guys

865
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: and one of them was standing on the sideline because

866
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: he was hurt.

867
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, Trevicbride is kind of, I think,

868
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: going to be the next big tight end, you know,

869
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: presence in terms of his effectiveness. But yeah, it wasn't there.

870
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think Arizona, for all the

871
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: explosive offenses that they showed versus you know, the La

872
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: Rams and the Buffalo Bills, are an imperfect team because

873
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: their quarterback is imperfect, and like his flaws are that

874
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Offensi's flaws, and I think again, like the defense, our

875
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: defense was able to capitalize on that and kind of

876
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 2: put them in a box a little bit and they

877
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 2: got a little lucky for sure. But I think the energy,

878
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: the attitude, the attention to detail is improving, and it

879
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: can always get better, absolutely, but I think it's trending

880
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 2: in the right direction. And this is kind of a

881
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: version of the team I was hoping for one versus

882
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay where where the rush is better. As a result,

883
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: you don't notice the coverage as much or the deficiencies

884
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: in coverage. You're not leveraging them as much. And it's

885
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: a more symbiotic relationship between those two groups and hopefully

886
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: that continues.

887
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: One other thing on the defense, so I thought Alan

888
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: and Payne had their best game as well. Hard Man,

889
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: yeah really hard Alan was around a number of plays

890
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: this team for sex three forced fumbles, got one of them.

891
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: Still waiting for that first interception. I found that one yet,

892
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: but like but at least like what they're talking about,

893
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: we're going to be after the ball, ball popped out,

894
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: Like that's starting to happen. And with Alan and Payte,

895
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: it was interesting. I was talking to somebody this morning

896
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: and he said to me, he goes, you know, Alan

897
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: Payn had been around here a long time. He goes,

898
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: maybe there was part of them there's just like us,

899
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: like they need to believe it too, that they need

900
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: to like see it to believe it. Like we're all

901
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: all of us who love this team, been around it

902
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: forever and have waited for something like this to kind

903
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: of happen and feel it and go is this real?

904
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: There might be a part of them that go is

905
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: this real? Like what's going on here in our own

906
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 1: locker room? Is this reel?

907
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, like I think with in the post game,

908
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: when he came out for his interview, there was like

909
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: an authenticity to him which I haven't seen him before,

910
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 2: where he was like very self reflective and kind of giving,

911
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 2: not giving like his normal like Alabama stock answers like

912
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: he was like, yeah, man, like it's it's cool to

913
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: see the offense do what they're doing, you know what

914
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: I mean? And I do think to your point, it's

915
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 2: they they've got like beaten dog syndrome a little bit here,

916
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: and so to see have hope and have some optimism.

917
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 2: Definitely think they played a lot better and they played

918
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: physically and they they played the way that commanders are

919
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 2: supposed to play under under Dan Quinn. So hopefully it continues,

920
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: and it's it's very exciting.

921
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: I mean the look Terry gives Jayden when you see

922
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: these pictures of them, it's he's in love. And then

923
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Payne said, I saw a clip of him from the

924
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: locker Roo where he's like, I'm on a good team again.

925
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: It's been a while, like he realizes it. The momentum

926
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: is real, it is real.

927
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 2: And just you know, can they maintain it? I think

928
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: that that's the big what if is like can they

929
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: maintain it? Because so much of it seems to be

930
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: predicated on jayde Daniels and his efficiency. And again, like

931
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: no one wants them to be more successful than us, right,

932
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 2: we we want them to be, you know, the best

933
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 2: team ever. But it's it's just it's just those numbers

934
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 2: that he's putting up, they're not They're they're historic for

935
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: a reason, and so it's right and.

936
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: So if this were to go throughout a season, he

937
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: will be the m v P. Yeah, you know, as

938
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: a rookie, he will be unquestioned and you know this

939
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: is why we like but he will be you won't

940
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: just be off it's work of the year. He'll be

941
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: the MVP of the league. It will be like, for

942
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: the first month, it's the best rookie season I've ever

943
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: seen from a quarterback period, And the numbers and the

944
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: eye test prove it. And if he were to do

945
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: it for a full season, he will have altered how

946
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: anyone views a rookie quarterback from here forward. And if CJ.

947
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: Stroud was amazing last year, it's not this.

948
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just the evaluation, I mean, yeah, I can't

949
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: put any better like it will be unprecedented, unprecedented if

950
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: that were to happen. So again, but what you're hoping

951
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 2: is that even if he has a little bit of

952
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: a regression, the rest of the offense kind of steps up,

953
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the defense steps up, the special teams

954
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,280
Speaker 2: step up, and we are having similar results even though he's,

955
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen percent less efficient than he was at

956
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: the start of the season.

957
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: Smooth told me last week, he goes, if this is

958
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: ground zero, you know, I don't know what next is.

959
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: Really I agree with him. We've invited Smoot onto the show.

960
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, no, but he's here now. I've

961
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: been told he's here now, and he is going to

962
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: give us his unique take on everything he's.

963
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 2: Doing, like a bit though, it's like an ESPN like

964
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 2: kind of Okay, yeah right.

965
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: We're down for it.

966
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're down.

967
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I'm down for bits. We're calling this Surprising Hot Incredible Takes.

968
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: You can check out the first letter of each one.

969
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 2: Of those h and then what's that last one?

970
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: There're right, So here's Fred's first of three surprising hot,

971
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: Incredible takes.

972
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 3: Jaden Daniels is the Steph Curry of the NFL. Yes,

973
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 3: I said it. He throws the ball at a high level.

974
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: He rubs the ball at a high level. Everything is equal.

975
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: I believe it, all right, he says. Jayden Dagels is

976
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: the Steph Curry of the NFL. I mean, I don't

977
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: like that comp I agree.

978
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: I hear he's saying, yeah, I got better basketball comps. Okay,

979
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: So he's kind of got that cool, quiet, silent assassin

980
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: demeanor to him. Yeah, that's Kevin Durant, super fan of

981
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,879
Speaker 1: the Commander, Kevin Durant, who showed up to practice last

982
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: week out in Arizona. So I actually think it's a

983
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: little slim reaper. I think it's a little more of

984
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: that and less Curry. But I hear what he's saying

985
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: because he's like, Curry changed the game, showed up. You know,

986
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: the expectations were high, but not that high, and all

987
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: of a sudden, he's doing these things that kind of

988
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: change your perception of what a shooting guard can be.

989
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I like to pour cold water and everything.

990
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 2: Like I again, like I think Steph Curry is amazing.

991
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: I think what Jayden's done through the first four weeks

992
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 2: of the season is really incredible. It's just I always

993
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: have a hard time when you compare someone who's done

994
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: it for four games to someone who's, you know, maybe

995
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: the best basketball player of all time.

996
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: And I know that's I just said he's the greatest

997
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,479
Speaker 1: Marine quarterback in the history of the NFL, because if.

998
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 2: He continues to play that way, yeah, I mean, it

999
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 2: be undisputed. So again, I think he's done some really

1000
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 2: special things. I think that timetable is the thing that

1001
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,959
Speaker 2: gets me a little bit concerned, and we talked about

1002
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: that at the top of the show. When we're reviewing

1003
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: the game. It's like, he's done amazing stuff, but it's

1004
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: like it and maybe I'm a hater. I don't know,

1005
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 2: Maybe I just got too much hate my heart. I've

1006
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 2: been beating too many times with his team. It can't continue,

1007
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 2: like mathematically, it can't continue to see.

1008
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: You're like us. Now, yeah, you're like us, But what

1009
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: is this? But it's not even like how could this be?

1010
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: But I just looked at it. I look at historic

1011
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: precedent and like you you're talking about since World War

1012
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 2: Two all the time, and it's like, you know, I

1013
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: feel like we're doing a history documentary all the time

1014
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: when we're doing our broadcast. But like it's those numbers

1015
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: come up for reasons, right, you know. And so it's like.

1016
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: Through almost thirty interceptions this rook year, he's really good.

1017
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 2: So I have all the time, I have our time,

1018
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 2: like I have a time of time like rationalizing and

1019
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 2: explaining it. So like that's why that take gets me

1020
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: a little bit nervous. But yeah, what he's done for

1021
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 2: the for the through the first four games is very

1022
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 2: Steph Curry is.

1023
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's a pretty good cop. I

1024
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: like during yeah, yeah, like you kind of showed up.

1025
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: He's kind of got the size, the speed, the athleticism.

1026
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: You know, he's going to be good, right, you don't

1027
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 1: know how good right, and then it just kind of

1028
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 1: and he's so kind of quiet, head down. Hopefully Jayden

1029
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 1: doesn't have a burner phone like Katie the head you know,

1030
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: he just like lets everybody just talk about him, which

1031
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: seems to be what it is. Like there were two

1032
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: others I thought about. I was like, is he Lebron?

1033
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's a prodigy. I don't think

1034
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: it's like that.

1035
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: You know, others worked for And I think maybe that's

1036
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: where this.

1037
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: Is basically the one that people said is a prodigy.

1038
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is love Lebron, right, Yeah, Steph Curry, you know,

1039
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,240
Speaker 2: got that tremendous work ethic, you know whatever, two hundred

1040
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 2: shots after every game and before every practice, whatever it is.

1041
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: So I think there's an element of that to him too,

1042
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: which is really really cool and it gives you, It

1043
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: gets you excited because you're like, these other great athletes

1044
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: have done it this way with the work ethic and

1045
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: the efficiency and maybe not the most outlandish physical tools

1046
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: like we just talked about, like he doesn't have the

1047
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 2: strongest arm of all time, but he's cultivated a skill

1048
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: set around that ability. And I think maybe that's where

1049
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: the Steph Curry thing comes in. And I see that,

1050
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: But again it's it's the it's the consistency for me,

1051
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 2: like can you is that sustainable? If it is like awesome,

1052
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: Like we're gonna be going yeah, well hey, like great,

1053
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 2: I got.

1054
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: How much are we winning by this week?

1055
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Right? So are we get yeah? So that's that's

1056
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: the thing that gets me. But he is he he

1057
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: has had a special, a very very special and we've

1058
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: said that already, very very special four weeks and again,

1059
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: like to compare him to Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, He's

1060
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: done it for free. He's done for four weeks. Let's

1061
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: see if you can do it a little bit more.

1062
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: Last one I'll drop it.

1063
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: Was are you are you? Is this your takes or

1064
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: this friend's stakes?

1065
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean competition?

1066
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 2: Was Fred?

1067
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll never be as funny or yelly

1068
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: as him. The movie that I freak out, I become

1069
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:50,240
Speaker 1: Fred so magic Johnson because there's some kind of cool,

1070
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,919
Speaker 1: calm collected I know what I'm doing and watch out,

1071
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you one way or the other of

1072
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: his game. But then I like thought about it, I'm

1073
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: like that's Pat Mahomes.

1074
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Pat Mahomes.

1075
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes has got all the tricks up his sleeve

1076
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: right now. Maybe Jaden will generate them. But there is

1077
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: this feel of I am in complete, under control, almost

1078
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: like the matrix. Yeah, there's like a matrix element to

1079
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: him sometimes, Like I said this to you yesterday in

1080
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: the booth, I'm like, he doesn't look like he's running

1081
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: that fast, but he is. It's some kind of effortless

1082
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: nature to it. It all feels really kind of collected,

1083
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 1: like he knows what he's doing. He's a step ahead.

1084
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: He's neo, like I don't know what he is. He's

1085
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: a step ahead, he's dodge bullet.

1086
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: Definitely the last two games it does feel that way.

1087
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 2: It feels very slow and measured out for him, and

1088
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: maybe that's his process, you know, like with the VR stuff.

1089
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 2: But man, it's it's been it's been special watch for sure.

1090
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: All right. Here is a smooth, surprising, hot, incredible take

1091
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: two of the week.

1092
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 3: Would you believe me if I said, Austin Cybert is

1093
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 3: the spark that lit the fuse that lit the flame.

1094
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: When you go seven for seven and you haven't missed

1095
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: the field.

1096
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: Go, oh, you got to hold DMV burning, all right,

1097
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: So our kicker is the spark that lit the fuse.

1098
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: And oh but fine, I think I think Fred's reaching

1099
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: on that one.

1100
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: Will you think so? I mean, I appreciate what.

1101
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: He did against the Giants, don't get me wrong.

1102
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: But it's the thing. It's it's it's the ball. It

1103
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: got the ball rolling, you know, so they won. They

1104
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 2: could have been really productive offensively, right, they could have been, oh, hey,

1105
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 2: we're gonna score you know, we're gonna have all these yards,

1106
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 2: but not scorenty points and you know the Giants are

1107
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: going to win. But the fact he made those seven

1108
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: field goals kind of again kind of it gives you

1109
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: the It gives you, it opens the door, let's say,

1110
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: for the next week, the confidence you have going into Cincinnati.

1111
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 2: Cincinnati then begets what you saw in Arizona. So again,

1112
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 2: it's it's an oversimplification. It's derivative to say it's only him,

1113
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: it's only the kicker, because it's we've talked about the

1114
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: maturation of everybody, right of Jaden from the Giants week

1115
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: to now, the offensive line from then to now, Cliff,

1116
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: the defense from then to now, Like it's all mature.

1117
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 2: But I do think that environment cultivated in that wind

1118
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: sets a foundation that says, hey, maybe we can be

1119
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: better than we think. And then you get into Cincinnati,

1120
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: you have a big win, right and then it it

1121
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 2: it kind of supersedes itself.

1122
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 1: You know. I love the buy in from the fans.

1123
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: Everybody so pumped, and I'm excited to be part of

1124
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: it too. If you're going to buy into the whole

1125
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: story and you now know Austin Cyber has a magic

1126
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: pine tree that he aims all his field goals at,

1127
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: there is if there's nobody sitting behind the goalposts on

1128
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: both sides at Northwest Stadium this weekend dressed as a

1129
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: pine tree, we're doing it wrong. We're just we're doing

1130
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: it wrong. So that is my challenge, as tickets in

1131
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: those sections, please come a s pine tree.

1132
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: Or at least like a poster poster board of a pree.

1133
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: Aim for the pine tree.

1134
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: So what do you think? Do you think it's you know,

1135
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: you don't think it's the kicker, then you don't.

1136
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the spark of it. I think

1137
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: number five is that's what I.

1138
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Think the spark. But like I'm saying, if they don't

1139
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 2: get the win correct in the Giants game, and again

1140
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 2: it's maybe that's that's where Fred's so brilliant with his

1141
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: you know what is it surprisingly hot incredible takes? Is

1142
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: is this idea that you know, it's one element, but

1143
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: he I think maybe symbolizes or represents all the good

1144
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: stuff that they did in that game and they were

1145
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: rewarded for it.

1146
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. One other thing on special teams, I think it's

1147
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: worth pointing out. Austin Eckler was just fantastic on the

1148
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: kick returns. He returned one for touch and I got

1149
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: called back in the sixty two yarder against Cincinnati, and

1150
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: then he wasn't able to play this past week, and

1151
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: they're still getting really good returns. Cover units have been there.

1152
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: I think some credit is due here that the third

1153
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: phase it gets overlooked a lot, and you know, Cyber

1154
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: obviously was part of that, making all the field goals.

1155
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: The return unit, they're ahead of the curve on this

1156
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,720
Speaker 1: dynamic kickoff thing because they've had some big game changing

1157
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: plays already there and the coverage units. How many different

1158
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: names did we call on the kickoffs yesterday? It was

1159
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: different people streaking down the field making plays Yankoff had one,

1160
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: Owens had one, came there's somebody else I can't remember

1161
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: now they had one, like Jeremy Chinn. Jeremy Chin had one.

1162
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: So it's somebody different on these coverage units.

1163
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 2: And they made investment there, you know. And again it

1164
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 2: kind of speaks to the construction of the team with

1165
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 2: Yankoff making the team predominantly as a special teams player,

1166
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: right with oh gosh, Belore the guy they signed from

1167
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: Seattle or wherever he was part of this as being

1168
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: a and he's made I think against Cincinnati he was

1169
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 2: making He made like three or four tackles. Jeremy Reeves

1170
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: made three or four tackles. They have a core group

1171
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 2: of guys that are excellent at that, and then they

1172
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 2: also have a really good understanding of how to cover

1173
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 2: those kicks. Like when you watch them, they do a

1174
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: really good job presnap of communicating stunts. It's almost like

1175
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 2: they're a defensive line. They're going to pinch this guy

1176
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: and loop this guy around, and they're able to get

1177
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: free runners because they're picking that first line. And you know,

1178
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 2: Jamie Reeves against Cincinnati had a really nice hit on

1179
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 2: the returner because he's unblocked essentially, and credit Tozzo for

1180
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 2: kind of unpacking that and then in the return game

1181
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: and getting a guy back there who's fearless enough to

1182
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: run it. But also they understand the leverages, they understand

1183
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: the position because I remember watching them when they installed

1184
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 2: that in summer, and it looked tough, like they just

1185
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 2: couldn't get the spacing right, they couldn't get the positions right.

1186
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 2: And over the course of kind of constantly struggling through that,

1187
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 2: they seem to have gotten a group of eleven guys,

1188
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: including the returner, who have a good feel for it.

1189
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 2: And again, I think the rest of the leg legal

1190
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: catch up as we go, but right now, that's a

1191
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: big advantage for us.

1192
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Fred's final surprising, hot, incredible

1193
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,240
Speaker 1: take of the week.

1194
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: Washington might not lose again for a loan loan loan.

1195
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:43,919
Speaker 1: All right, this one's too much like listen, I don't

1196
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: want this to stop either. I feel like I'm on

1197
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 1: some U for it. The take is we're not going

1198
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: to lose for He didn't say when, but he said

1199
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: for a long time, right, And I would just say

1200
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: this like one. Cleveland was a playoff team a year ago.

1201
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't be overlooking anybody. Yeah, and then two

1202
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 1: weeks from now, and again I don't want to get

1203
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: ahead of ourselves. But I don't know if you saw

1204
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 1: Baltimore play in Dallas or a home against Buffalo, but

1205
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: they're pretty good and that's a road game. So I'd

1206
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: like to believe we're never ever losing again. That would

1207
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: be great. But Fred, I think Fred is even a

1208
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 1: little out of his skin with excitement of what's going

1209
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 1: on at this point.

1210
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think again, like if you look at

1211
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 2: the season right, obviously Tampa Bay looks like they might

1212
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: be something from a team standpoint wise, construction wise, no doubt.

1213
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 2: The Giants I think are better than they showed. I

1214
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: think that that Thursday night game against the Giants or

1215
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: against the Cowboys show kind of what they can be potentially.

1216
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: But they're not a great defense by any starch.

1217
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 1: Of the MNA, and Jones has to execute a little

1218
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: better for them to win.

1219
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: And then you look at Cincinnati and obviously Joe Burrow's amazing.

1220
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 2: Their defense is is it doesn't have the teeth that

1221
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 2: it's had near his pass with kind of a consistent

1222
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: pass rush.

1223
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 1: And they don't have a run game, they can rely

1224
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: on to be extremely afferent.

1225
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 2: And obviously like Jesse Bates has gone from there, he

1226
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: was kind of their ballhockeying player in the back and

1227
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 2: so and then you look at Arizona very similar, like

1228
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 2: schematically very elevated, but not super dynamic. So I think

1229
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: going up against Cleveland will be a really interesting test

1230
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 2: because they have absolute maniacs on defense that play hard,

1231
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: to play physical, they're aggressive, They've got one of the

1232
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 2: best pass rushing defensive ends maybe in the history of

1233
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: the NFL and Miles Garrett. So I think as the

1234
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 2: defense difficulty increases from these opponents, I think we're going

1235
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: to get a better feel for some of these efficiency numbers,

1236
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: for some of the stuff that's working, some of the

1237
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: stuff that works against top flight defenses. You know, like

1238
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 2: one of the things they say about Baltimore last year

1239
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: when they were really rolling, is it felt like they

1240
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 2: had twelve men on the field. Yeah, Like does this

1241
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: work versus that kind of structure? Does it work when

1242
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 2: you've got guys you know, when you're trying to find

1243
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: that numbers matchup. You've got the three over three defensive

1244
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 2: backs and we can throw a screen because we trust

1245
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: our guys to win. But what happens when Kyle Hamilton's

1246
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 2: one of those guys and you can beat Luke McCaffrey

1247
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,240
Speaker 2: on a block and we tackle that screen for a

1248
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: two yard loss, and now all of a sudden, we're

1249
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 2: in second and twelve, which is where we don't want

1250
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: to live versus a very good defense. So I think

1251
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: the as the defensive dial increases, it's going to be

1252
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 2: more challenging. I do think those potentially are winnable football games.

1253
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: But I think Baltimore specifically is like a Super Bowl

1254
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 2: caliber team. And I know they don't have a winning

1255
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: record right now, but it looks to me like they've

1256
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of figured something out. They're kind of getting better

1257
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: each and every time.

1258
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you've watched them the last couple

1259
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: of weeks and you didn't come to the conclusion that

1260
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: when it's all said and done, that that's probably they're

1261
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: either going to be right on the cuspoer in the

1262
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't think you're watching it right now,

1263
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: especially with Kansas City struggling a little bit and then

1264
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: lost for she Rice. It's a bad loss. It's a

1265
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: bad loss for them, Not that I don't put anything

1266
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: pass them the way. You know, they performed one other

1267
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: quick thing about Cleveland, just real quickly, and again I

1268
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: haven't really paid a tremendous amount of attention. However, to

1269
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: your point about Miles Garrett et cetera, of the defenses

1270
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: they've played, they've played some really high level safeties, Buddha

1271
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 1: Baker one of them, mantroin Winfield Week one. I don't

1272
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: think they've seen a set of corners like this yet.

1273
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Cleveland brings in a set of very high level corners,

1274
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 1: no offense to the teams that they faced. But that's

1275
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: not really Cincinnati's strength. It's definitively not Arizona strength. I

1276
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: think the Giants are, you know, interestingly trying to build

1277
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 1: that back up right. And even Tampa, who's got very

1278
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: good I think defensive fronts.

1279
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Speaker 2: They got hurt though both their starting corners got in

1280
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: that game. So again to your point.

1281
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: It's this is this is an interesting challenge from that perspective.

1282
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 2: It's a different level corner, different animal, different animal defensively,

1283
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: and and you know in the who they played this weekend, gosh,

1284
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: I can't even remember now, Yes, yeah, they played Vegas

1285
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 2: and they had two defensive touchdowns. Like it's a different

1286
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: caliber of group that they're going to be facing. And

1287
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: so you know, you can win that game nine to

1288
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 2: ten or whatever, but like it's going to be different

1289
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: and more challenging for the offense to be as effective

1290
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: and the defense is really going to need to it's

1291
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 2: going to need These games are going to need to

1292
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: be more complimentary. So again, like I think it's a

1293
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 2: winnable game, no doubt, more winnable than it was when

1294
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: the season started. But it's a good football team and uh,

1295
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: and it's it's going to present some very unique challenges

1296
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: stuff they haven't seen this year so far.

1297
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: All right, less thing, let's talk about us for just

1298
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: a moment.

1299
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 2: Us.

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00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, because oh you.

1301
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: And me, the commanders, for let's talk about us.

1302
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: For a moment. I only would make this a moment

1303
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: because it sounds ver. The reason why, the reason why

1304
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: the clip of the call from the Terry touchdown on

1305
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: Mondayay football went viral was because of what the commanders did,

1306
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: not because what we did. However, our behavior definitely got noticed.

1307
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 1: And I will I just want to just say this quickly.

1308
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate all the attention that we've gotten for it,

1309
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: And I'd love to tell a quick backstory about what

1310
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: was going on, Why I stuck my tongue out at somebody,

1311
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: why you were maniacally last? Right, But like that was

1312
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: a it was a great moment, maybe the best pass

1313
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: we've had here in a very long time.

1314
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: I think the it wasn't even that, man, it was

1315
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 2: like everything about that play was insane. Situation of the

1316
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: game insane, right, Yeah, they need to get a first

1317
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: down in that moment to steal the dealer or Joe

1318
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 2: Burrows go walk down the field and score a touchdown. Right,

1319
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: it's third and seven, They're coming out of a timeout.

1320
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 2: They're not lined up correctly. They don't seem like they're

1321
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: gonna get lined up correctly. The clock is ticking down.

1322
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you look down on the field

1323
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: and Cincinnati's in zero pressure. Like they're lined up across

1324
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: the board. They have one back in the backfield. They're

1325
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 2: going to be short, right, and it's like, can they

1326
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 2: get the throw off? Can they get the playoff? Then

1327
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 2: can they get the throw off? And then when he

1328
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: gets the throw off, he threw that ball so early

1329
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 2: in the down, it was like Terry had run five yards.

1330
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 2: The corner was still three yards away from him. Yeah,

1331
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 2: Terry was at the twenty when the ball was launched,

1332
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: and he put that ball so high in the air

1333
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 2: in such a perfect spot, and like, just going back

1334
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: and reviewing it, I was like, I've been a part

1335
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: of offenses. I've coached offenses. I've studied offenses where you

1336
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: see that happening. Guy's not getting lined up as the

1337
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: shot clock ticking down and the quarterback sends that to

1338
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 2: that ball to the first row of the stands, or

1339
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: they get sacked because they're not sure how to pick

1340
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: up the pressure, and he just set and it was

1341
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: like it was almost unbelieve. It was almost unbelievable to

1342
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: see that executed with that level of pressure, under those

1343
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: defensive circumstances, with that level of precision, with that kind

1344
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: of time restriction too, in that moment of the game,

1345
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 2: it was un believable.

1346
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:17,919
Speaker 1: And now we know when that happens, all you could

1347
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 1: do is laugh.

1348
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't have anything to say, first off,

1349
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 2: great call by you, like, but I didn't because out

1350
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:26,919
Speaker 2: on the video, like I put the mic up because

1351
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to get caught cursing on national television.

1352
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: Right or national rates.

1353
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,160
Speaker 1: Both of us were ready to go. What everyone tweeted

1354
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: at the same time.

1355
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: Holy yeah, you don't want right, And like, so I

1356
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 2: put the mic up and then the kit Tierry catches it,

1357
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: and You're like, there's this great moment. You can't write

1358
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: this stuff any better, this great moment of suspense and

1359
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: tension of like did he catch it?

1360
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 1: Well, it was because he was right on the sideline

1361
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: and I wasn't sure he got his knee down, his

1362
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,439
Speaker 1: feet down. Yeah, he clearly caught it, but I wasn't

1363
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: sure they were going to call it a touchdown.

1364
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 2: And then when they go touchdown and you go absolutely

1365
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: crazy and you're screaming, and I.

1366
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: Just was like, that was thirty years coming out, buddy,

1367
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: That's what that was. And the fans know exactly what

1368
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, which is why everybody reacted that way

1369
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: to it. Locally, I'm you, you know, like all of

1370
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: your tension and disdain for what's happened for thirty years

1371
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,200
Speaker 1: came out in this moment that we hadn't seen in

1372
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: such a long time.

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01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so that was beautiful love that And then

1374
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: I just couldn't I just couldn't help but laugh. Like

1375
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 2: it was. It was just seems so improbable, so unlikely,

1376
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 2: such a beautiful moment for the team. I didn't have

1377
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: any words, so laughing seemed appropriate. It just came out

1378
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 2: very scary and dark.

1379
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: Very quickly. The guy stuck my tongue out at.

1380
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, so, which was awesome.

1381
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: He was awesome. So like, like it depends where we are.

1382
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: In Arizona, there were no fans near us. We were

1383
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: situated on the mood. Miami were situated on the move.

1384
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: But sometimes our booth is right in like at a

1385
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: level where there's fans right in front of us. Yeah,

1386
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: they can reach in correct touch, and we never know

1387
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: what we're going to get, Like if we're in Philly,

1388
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 1: I don't even bother being playful with them because one

1389
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: of them may share me, you know, like I don't

1390
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,800
Speaker 1: know what's going to happen, or half the time, like

1391
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:04,919
Speaker 1: they're flipping me off, you know all that thing, which

1392
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 1: is fine. I don't care. But these guys actually were cool,

1393
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Like this group of name so this guy, one guy,

1394
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: shirtless guy wearing a faux Bengals fur coat, Okay, screaming

1395
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,760
Speaker 1: my name at me the whole time, giving me the

1396
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: thumbs up. As it turns out, just likes play by

1397
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: play guys. Okay, that's it, just likes play byke So

1398
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 1: he learns whoever the play bike because he has tickets there.

1399
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: Whoever the play by plays, he learns their name, and

1400
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: he like yells at them. But it was playful the

1401
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: whole time. And the best part was like the night

1402
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: before we went to dinner, okay, and there's all the

1403
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: commanders fades all over the place, all want to take

1404
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 1: pictures with you. None of them know who I am.

1405
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: Now what single commander fiter is there? The guy in

1406
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: the Bengals faux fur coat knows who I am, yelling

1407
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: my name, thumbs up the whole thing. I stuck my

1408
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: tongue out at him and he was laughing right. And

1409
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: then I blew a kiss at this woman at her boyfriend.

1410
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 1: I'm assuming boyfriend who when the comeback was happening, had

1411
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: turned around. It was giving me the business about you

1412
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: guys aren't going to score enough to win. He thought

1413
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: we were going to collapse and lose. So I blew

1414
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: a kiss at them. That's who they were. We never

1415
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: do it if the people weren't playful, because if they

1416
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: are the people who want to flip me off or

1417
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: call me names or whatever. I ignore those people. That's

1418
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: where the professionalism comes in.

1419
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: I didn't realize we were talking so much, so much

1420
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: smack during the call there at the end of the

1421
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah a lot. That's information. That's good enough.

1422
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah all right. So but that was thank you all

1423
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: for all the nice kind words for both of us.

1424
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 2: I'll speak for you for that, because.

1425
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: It went everywhere and we were really I was tickled

1426
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: by the flattered too, very flattered. It was very cool,

1427
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: it was awesome. We'll just get back to you. They

1428
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 1: keep winning, we'll yeah, we'll do that all the time,

1429
01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: all right. I think that's going to do it for

1430
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: us today. You say, yeah, good talk. All right, we'll

1431
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 1: do it again after who we played Cleveland. We'll do

1432
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: it after Cleveland, all right. That'll do it for the

1433
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: Booths review.

1434
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 2: You see you