1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: Arizona straight to the line. There's the snap to Murray. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Murray looks left pumps once looking looking a lot of time. 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Now we throws and he didn't stunting by a line 4 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: picked up down the left sideline, picked up a block 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: at the dirty twenty twenty harmonic ten five and he's 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: spun out a pounce right there. I say you, twenty four, 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: I see you. Welcome to another edition of the twenty 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Men in the Huddle podcast, presented by Microsoft. We have 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: taken the podcast on the road. We are not in 10 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: the studio in Allen Park, obviously, we are here in 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: Indianapolis where he did two joint practices with the Colts, 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and I have everybody's favorite, Michael O'Hara here to break 13 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: it all down. Mike, we read both practices, thank you. Yes, 14 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: we read both practices. And obviously it's great these joint 15 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: practices because you know, for Dan Campbell, for these players 16 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: you get and Frank right the coach of the Colts, 17 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: you get a chance to kind practice against great competition 18 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: in a controlled environment. You can set up some situations 19 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: that you're probably not even going to see in the preseason. 20 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: And it's thirty reps a day for first team guys 21 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: against great competition, you just can't replicate it. I feel really, 22 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: I mean this sincere, I feel like I've watched six practices, 23 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: you know, two on defense, two on offense, and then 24 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: two on special teams, and they're all you know, they're 25 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: all different. And I think there's a lot of things 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: that go into this. Guys who've played against each other 27 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: in college, Guys who played at each other in the pros, 28 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: and now they're they're on the opposite teams right now, 29 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: and I think there's really a lot of energy, a 30 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: lot of emotion goes into it. And it's not just 31 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: another day of practice, because they don't want it to 32 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: be just another day of practice. Look tomorrow, that was great, 33 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: but these two days that they really give it something, 34 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: all right, two days. I watched the offense a lot. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, you watched the defense, So I'll start offensively. 36 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, I thought it was really good. I thought 37 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: they were crisp, you know, I thought seven on sevens 38 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: and you know, and some of the early stuff started 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit slow. And as Dan Campbell mentioned 40 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 1: this morning when we talked to him before practice on Thursday, 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: when the big guys got to practice. When when when 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: they started doing some team stuff and the offensive lineman joined, 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: that's when things just perked up for that offense. And 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: I was watching them and Jared Goff was sharp. The 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: run game was good. They had three plays where I 46 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: think Jared hit a twenty yard pass down the mill 47 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: to Saint Brown, and he hit a twenty yard or 48 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: to Raymond, and then DeAndre Swift went for twenty yards 49 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: off the right side. It was just like chunk, chunk, chunk, 50 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: and they looked really, really good. And you're laughing because 51 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: you watched the offense on Thursday. Why do I always 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: lose the coin? And you, I think didn't get the 53 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: same the same experience as I did on Wednesday? Did you. 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I Mean, let's just really sums it up. And these 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: are two really good guys with sure hands, DeAndre Swift 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: and mon Ross Saint Brown. When a span of five 57 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: plays or six plays both drop the ball, drop the pass. 58 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: They don't do that in five or six games, right, 59 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: and bing bing bing bing bing, And that's the way 60 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: a lot of it went. Now, it wasn't that awful 61 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: from start to finish, but there was just no there's 62 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: no sizzle there. There was maybe a long catch here 63 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: and there, but just nothing that really turned us on. 64 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: At the end of the thing, I think the final 65 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: possession of the practice breed. He ended up trying a 66 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: couple of long field goals, but they really didn't threaten. 67 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 1: So was it worthwhile for them, Absolutely, because they're gonna 68 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: get some corrections out of that. But I didn't see 69 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: what you saw on Wednesday, and then on Wednesday and Thursday, 70 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: I got to see the defense the way this is going, 71 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: and you got to see the defense on Wednesday, And 72 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: what did you think of the defensive performance Wednesday? And 73 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: then I'll go it certainly didn't look like a team, 74 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: especially defensively, ready to get ready for the season. They 75 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: had trouble. They troubled against the past that did so 76 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: much against the run because they were just throw and 77 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: throw and throwing. And you know, Matt Ryan, he's with 78 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: now with since Indianapolis after fourteen years in Atlanta. He 79 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: looked like a kid out there. He just he just 80 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: nailed everything, just laser the ball. So it wasn't a 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: very good session for the Detroit Lions offensively. However, well, 82 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: hold on, before we go to Thursday, you know, it 83 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: was funny because I was watching. We split them up 84 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: because how the how the Indianapolis Colts kind of facility 85 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: was situated, as the fields were not next to each other, 86 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: like it isn't how apart for those of you who 87 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: have been out there, but they were, you know, spread apart. 88 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: They were next to each other from end zone end zone, 89 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: so it's hard to see everything going on. So we 90 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: kind of split it up, you know, offense and defense 91 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,239 Speaker 1: of two days. And I spent the majority of Wednesday 92 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: watching the offense. But Thursday, I kind of got to 93 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 1: a two two minute period and I you know, looked 94 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: over at the defense and I just kind of shotted 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: down and followed some things, and like you mentioned, Matt Ryan, 96 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: in a two minute period, it was touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, 97 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: rushing touchdown. It was four touchdowns in five plays I saw, 98 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: and it just picked them apart. So let's move to Thursday. 99 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: We switch right, You're watching the offense, I'm watching the defense, 100 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: and Thursday it was it was night and day. The 101 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: defense was terrific. In that same red zone period, the 102 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: Detroit Lines defense went twelve consecutive plays without letting Atlanta 103 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: score a two minute period. At the end of practice, 104 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: they good Colts didn't get a first down. I mean, 105 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: it was just it was really a great performance. And really, 106 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: you know, I thought all of camp that the offense 107 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: was much farther ahead than the defense was. Would you 108 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: agree with that? Yeah, and I think it is, I 109 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: really do. I think they've got more talent there, They've 110 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: got better players there, and they've had they're more assets 111 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: there the entire offensive line. Look at that, that that five guys, 112 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: you're like, first round pick, second third, Pro Bowlers and 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: all of that. So yeah, I think it's better because 114 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: it is better. It is better. And I've been worried 115 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: a little bit, to be honest with you, And I 116 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: don't know if you have even watching the defense, I've 117 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: been worried about the defense leading up to Thursday. I 118 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: really was worried about the defense. I just thought in 119 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: those team periods the offense really had the edge. All 120 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: of training camp had the edge. The Colts had the edge. 121 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: The first day in these joint practices. You saw defensively 122 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: they did a couple good things, but you know, the 123 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: offense goes down and score the preseason opener against Atlanta, 124 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: right ten plays and moves down the field and scores. 125 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: And then what does Atlanta do? Twelve plays, works down 126 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: the field, runs the football, the Lions can't stop the run, 127 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: and they score. And I was just like, man, I 128 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: just I really don't know where this defense is heading. 129 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: And then to see that Thursday and see the kind 130 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: of performance I did and that cold. That's a good 131 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: offense that the Colts have, especially with Matt Ryan. You 132 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: talked about the experience that he has, great offensive line 133 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: with Nelson and some of those guys. They're the best 134 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: running back. I mean, they were number two in the 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: league last year averaging one hundred and forty nine point 136 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: one yards per game on the ground, and Jonathan Taylor 137 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: at eighteen hundred yards and eighteen touchdowns. You know, I 138 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: mean that that's a good offense, good offensive line, and 139 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: for Detroit's defense to be as good as they were Thursday, 140 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,359 Speaker 1: it really gave me some encouragement that maybe it hasn't 141 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: been as bad as I thought it could potentially be 142 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 1: leading up to this. Well, you want to see some 143 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: of the young guys playing up front, you know, on 144 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: the front floor of the front seven linebackers and defensive lineman. 145 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: I want to see them sort of sort of come 146 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 1: to bloom right now. And I got to admit through 147 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: yesterday I didn't really see that. Now. Look, I know 148 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 1: there's some good things in there, like Malcolm Rodriguez. Yeah, 149 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: I mean, he's as good as he's ever gonna be. No, 150 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: he's got a long career ahead of him, at least 151 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: we think he does. But I think he's a real 152 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: bright spot, that spright spot for them. And there's some 153 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: others in there. The one that was disappointed me the most, 154 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: that was what I saw from the secondary, and I 155 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: thought that would be an improved unit. It wasn't based 156 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: on what I saw yesterday, but like what you saw 157 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: today is different. It was it was Jeffekuda got his 158 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: hand on a couple of balls. I thought he looked good. 159 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Both safeties de Sean Elliott and Tracy Walker were good, 160 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 1: and it was just really a combined good effort. And look, 161 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: I think you would agree Aden Hutchinson's been good since 162 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: the start. I think that's a guy who kind of 163 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: infuses something into that defense, gives them something. But Malcolm 164 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: Rodriguez is an interesting one. And look, if you watch 165 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, you know the backstory and you saw kind 166 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: of the stuff, some of the stuff with Calvin Shephard. 167 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: And look, I had Calvin Shepard on this pod very 168 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: early on when we first started, and he was raving 169 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: about Malcolm Rodriguez even then from the spring, saying, he's 170 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: a guy you tell him something once and that's it 171 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,119 Speaker 1: and you don't ever have to tell him it again. 172 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 1: And if he makes a mistake, watch him film, he'll 173 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: never do it again. And we see that. We see 174 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: that translate to the field, right, And look, he's not 175 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: the biggest guy with five foot eleven or whatever it is, 176 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: and that's why he was a sixth round pick. But boy, Mike, 177 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: he just seems to make plays today. Was the same 178 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: for me watching him on defense. Yeah, he made a 179 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: good point there, but look, he's a sixth round pick. 180 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 1: And when when he draft a guy low like that, 181 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: and you look at the production he had in college 182 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State, all of a sudden, he's a story. Yeah, 183 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 1: And so we probably have more eyes on him than 184 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: at least for the through the offseason, the OTAs and 185 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: minicamp and all that, we had more eyes on him 186 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: than really warranted for a sixth round pick. But he's different. 187 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: But everything he's done. He's different in a good way. 188 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: Now we really think I really think there's a chance 189 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: he's gonna be an opening day starter. I think so too. 190 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: I think it's definitely trending that way. But he may 191 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: not be all situations. He might not, you know, defend 192 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: against the pass or something and there on goal line 193 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: maybe because he's not you can look, you've got to 194 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: be a certain size to do a certain job. But 195 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: he's going to be a starter in this if it's 196 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: not opening day, if he stays healthy, it's gonna be 197 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: sometime in this season. You know, we talked about him 198 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: earlier and I mentioned the name Stephen Tullock, right, a 199 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: guy who was about that same size, maybe a touch 200 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: bigger than that. Malcolm is a little wider but kind 201 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: of a smaller type linebacker and had a great career. 202 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: You mentioned Sam Mills five foot nine linebacker was inducted 203 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: into the Pro Football Hall of Fame five days ago. 204 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: So you can do it, you know, to me, if 205 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: you have football instincts, if you're a football player, if 206 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: you know where to be, And when I watched Malcolm 207 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: Rodriguez today, right filling a gap and make me pop 208 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: in a running back right, or he was in a 209 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: flat in a late two minute period where you know, 210 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,599 Speaker 1: the Colts are trying to you know, move down in 211 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: two minute, get a first down, and nothing's really there 212 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: for I think for Matt Ryan and he dumps it 213 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: off into the flat. Who's right there, Malcolm Rodriguez is 214 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: right there to make the stop, force a third down 215 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: and eventual um turnover on downs for them. And it's 216 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: just that's what we see every day with him. It's 217 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: just he's always making one or two plays. I always 218 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: write him down in my notebook, you know, two three 219 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: times every practice for a play. And that's what you 220 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: want to see from a young guy, right. Yeah. And 221 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: I think there's another thing that's to his advantage. This 222 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: is sort of a subtle, you know, part of the 223 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: work area that they d he's a younger guy, but 224 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: there are other younger guys on the team, So he's 225 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: not taking the job of a guy in his ninth 226 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: or tenth year. All these young guys are competing for 227 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: for you know, first of all, competing for snaps, competing 228 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: for playing time, and then competing for jobs, and he's 229 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: right there in the pot with all of them. So 230 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,559 Speaker 1: none of them can say there's favorites into the young 231 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: guy because because they're all in the same position. And 232 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: I love that part of Hard Knocks. When Calvin Shephard 233 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: was talking with the linebackers, they showed footage of him 234 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: in that room and he was like, look, he's he's 235 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: taking your jobs. I'm gonna play the guy who is like, 236 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: he's not a first second three, he's not a fifty 237 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: million dollar free agent. He's just a guy that's doing 238 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: it right. And you fourth round picks, you veteran guys, 239 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: the alex ends Loins, all those other guys that are 240 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 1: in there. Look, I can't not play him because he's 241 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: making the place that you guys aren't. And he challenged 242 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: those guys. I love that about Calvin. A former player, 243 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: you know, challenging nine year vette. He's been in coaching 244 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 1: now for a while and he's coaching linebackers and he's 245 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: good at Look all he has to do and I 246 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: don't think he would do this is just show the 247 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: video from last year. Yeah, this is what you're competing against. 248 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: You're gonna started over with that group. Really and all 249 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: in all honesty, Now that's a little bit of a 250 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: harsh you know comment, but just if you just look 251 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: at the statistics yards and the points and all that 252 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: they gave up miss tackles. Yeah, who's got yeah right, exactly, 253 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: who's got a secure job? No? Yeah, no, it is. 254 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: So you know, they're looking for a spark there, and 255 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: I think Malcolm Rodriguez is providing that. Aiden Hutchinson, I 256 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: thought he was really good both days in one on ones. 257 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I know you watched him more on Wednesday. I think 258 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: he was pretty good there too. Just impressions of him. 259 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: Mikey just seems to me like he's going to be 260 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: a player day one guy six seven and two seventy. 261 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 1: How he can get so low and then just accelerate, 262 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: you know, around the corner. When we've talked before, when 263 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: they draft, I was skeptical of that of it because 264 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: he's got that sort of angular build. Yeah build, How's 265 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: he going to get down and make those players? You 266 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: know how? Because he does? He does. He's got that 267 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: athleticism and that bend and everything else. I'm just curious 268 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: from the from an offensive perspective watching today, Um, did 269 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: anybody jump out to you? And I know it wasn't 270 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: a great day for the offense, but was there anybody 271 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: that you know Michael Harris sitting there? Michael Harris been 272 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: on the beat since nineteen seventy seven, guys, I mean 273 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: he's been doing this forty five years, A long long time. 274 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: You've excuse me, You've seen a lot of You've seen 275 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: a lot of good plays, strowed a lot of training camp. 276 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: Is it it? Look? Is there anyone that that you're 277 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of that you looked at today offensively? And like 278 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: I said, wasn't a great day overall. But is there 279 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: someone that you saw maybe and you're like, Okay, I 280 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: think this kid's gonna be a player for this team 281 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: for a while or this season, or did anything jump off? 282 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: I'll give you two guys, and it's no surprise. Chart 283 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: is one of them. Just a long throw down the 284 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: left sideline. It's just Paul just settled into his hands 285 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: and just kept going. But just in stride a long strider. 286 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: Isn't he watching fun? I was like watching Secretariat. He 287 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: just kept pulling away and you were there for Secretary. 288 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: It was. And despite despite what we've said about to 289 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: be next to this all the time, I think of 290 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: the stories I get in the car with this guy. 291 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 1: They don't even have to be true secretariat anyway. And 292 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: the DeAndre Swift, Yeah, the first play of the game 293 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: glide right, no, I'm sorry, dig left, clyde right, accelerate 294 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,839 Speaker 1: left three steps at full speed, and I just whoa, Look, 295 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: people are different. He's different. He's different. You know what 296 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 1: I love about DeAndre is is the one cut we're 297 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna do the no, okay, don't hurt yourself now, 298 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: we need you for Saturday, all right season game to do. 299 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: You know. The one thing about DeAndre that I love 300 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: too is like that, just one cut and gone. Like 301 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,719 Speaker 1: you know, you get some guys that are like you, 302 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: maybe a little bit undersized, quick, that that you know, speed, 303 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: that will maybe make too many moves. Well we'll try 304 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: to shake and bake too many times, you know, do 305 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: all this. I don't ever see that from DeAndre Swift ever. 306 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: I see one move, one cut and go, and I'll 307 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: tell you what and if you saw it last year, 308 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: he'll run over somebody if they're not careful too, And 309 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: you don't expect that for a guy that size. I 310 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: just I just love the player and I think he 311 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: can be really really good. And I love the fact 312 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: that Deuce Daley is challenging him to be great. And 313 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: I talked to DeAndre Swift yesterday on Wednesday, and I 314 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: wrote a story on Detroit Lions dot Com if you 315 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: guys want to read it, just his response to that 316 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: kind of coaching and the challenge that Deuce is giving 317 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: him because Deuce thinks and knows he can be great. 318 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: And I love the fact that Swift has really kind 319 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 1: of taken to that. I think Swift is headed for 320 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: a monster year. You heard it from DeAndre Swift yesterday. 321 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: I wrote about it. One thousand rushing yards, one thousand 322 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: receiving yards. That's his goal, Mike, Do you think he 323 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: can get it? There's only three guys in the history 324 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: of the NFL have done it, one being Roger Craig. 325 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm sure you saw right plenty times from the Christian 326 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: McCaffrey and the Greatest Show on Turf. Oh I don't, 327 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember, But those are the three guys that 328 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: have done that. So do you think it's possible that 329 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: DeAndre Swiff can be one thousand thousand guy? Look, I 330 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: think he can average as much as those guys, did 331 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: you know running on receiving I think you can get 332 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: close to two thousand yards, but I don't think you 333 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: can chop it up that way just because he's so 334 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: he's so versatile, there's a fine can you can get 335 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: him in a certain situation where you've got an advantage 336 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: of in a game and just run it to death 337 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: or throw the ball to him because they can't cover him. 338 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: The one thing I else should bought him. He gets 339 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: so low, you know, and then just accelerates out of that. 340 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: He kind of gets lost, doesn't He can't say that 341 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: you're exactly right, exactly what, just gets like this and 342 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: then he's kind of unwinds and and he's gone. So 343 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: we're not going to see a lot of the starters 344 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: in the number two preseason game on Saturday. Um, you know, 345 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it'll be more about guys fighting for spots. Um, 346 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: guys fighting for them, not only you know, roster spots, 347 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: but you know playing time, maybe a couple darting spots 348 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: here and there. You can you can take it down 349 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: one layer or two to make the practice squad if 350 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: you don't make the roster. I mean there's sixty nine 351 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: players now, fifty three on the active roster, sixteen on 352 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: the practice squads with the practice squad, ain't a bad living. 353 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Make a couple hundred thou a year, you know, I 354 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: want to have living. So those spots meet, we get 355 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: done here, we're gonna go work out. They mean something. So, 356 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: Michael Harra, what are you looking forward to? You know, 357 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: you know we're not gonna see golf. We're not gonna 358 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: see a lot of the starters. What is there a 359 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: position group? Is there a battle in particular? Is it 360 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: just something overall? What's something you're looking forward to Saturday? 361 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: You know Lucas Oil Stadium watching preseason week number two? Oh, 362 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: I want to share it once again, the battle between 363 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: the two quarterbacks for the number two job. And look, 364 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: I think David Blow is in the lead, but things 365 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: can happen. You never know. And I agree with you. Yeah, 366 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: but I think he's been better. He's just got a 367 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: better feel for the game, a little more sizzle. I 368 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: want to see the more doesn't run like his wife. Right, 369 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: you make a lot of money? Oh yeah, but I 370 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: want to also want to see once again the linebackers. 371 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: There's three guys and that been in that rotation it 372 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: seems like forever. And that said Derek Barnes, Alex anzelone 373 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: who I think head and shoulders about the other guys 374 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, and then Rodriguez. I think those three guys, 375 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: I want to see how many snaps they get, how 376 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: they use them, to use them in all situations, they 377 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: use them in specialty situations. I think it's gonna be 378 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: all situations. Really. Then then if they have to go, 379 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: they'll pay it. Got a little bit, Yeah, they'll do 380 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: it later. Those are the most and then anything in 381 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: the secondary, I think, I think the safety job is 382 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: locked up. They've decided on your primary Sean Elliott and 383 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: Tracy and Kery. Where one goes, the other one follows, 384 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: the other one goes, the other one follows. That's really 385 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: been looked to me like a really good tan and 386 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: for the Lions, to me, I want to look at 387 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: the defensive line. You know, we're not gonna see eight 388 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: Hutchins Pryor, we're not going to see Michael Brockers. We're 389 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: see some of those other guys. But to me, like 390 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: a guy who's been really good all camp and who 391 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: is really good on Thursday was Austin Bryat right going 392 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: into his four season, only played ten games his first 393 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: two years because of injury, had kind of a sneaky 394 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: four and a half sacks hum last year and it's 395 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: kind of really come on. And we talked him on Thursday. 396 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: He said, Look, I'm entering my fourth year. I'm in 397 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: a scheme where I really like playing. They're using me 398 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: the right way. I really love this defense, and I'm 399 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: just comfortable. And you know, he's a guy with Julian 400 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: Acquire and Romeo Acquire out with injury, He's gotten a 401 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 1: chance to, you know, play a lot. He's making the 402 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: most of his opportunities. Who else along that defensive line 403 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: is going to be the depth? You know, because injuries 404 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: are going to happen. You know, who's the guy behind 405 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Alee McNeil's at bugs? Is somebody else? Is Austin Bryant 406 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: gonna be that guy in the edge. I just I 407 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: want to see how that depth along the defensive line 408 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: plays out, and if some of those guys can make plays, 409 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: and if this defense can stop the run, which has 410 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: been an issue. You know, now going on two years, 411 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: you know they've got three or four guys tim who 412 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 1: who on it, who are injured and they we've barely 413 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: seen him or seen him at all in spring training 414 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: and in the preseason game. So I don't think anybody 415 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: there can take anything for granted. Look, I've got a job. Yeah, 416 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think there could be some 417 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: surprises on cutdown date. Maybe not, we'll see. But but 418 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 1: to me, what could have been really a strong depth 419 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: point for them right now just by an activity Unavailabley're 420 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. If there they're figuring out this. Well, 421 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: he was here, he could have been here, you know, 422 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: but he hasn't been anywhere. Hey, but hey, it gives 423 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: an opportunity to some other guys to make plays right now. 424 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: They get a chance to step up on Saturday and 425 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: do it. He is Michael Harrow. We will both be 426 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: at Lucas Oil. We'll break it both. We'll break it 427 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: all down for you guys. Preseason game number two. Michael 428 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: as always, thank you so much for being here. You guys, 429 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: stay with me. I'm joined by Glover Quinn. Next, we 430 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: talk Lion safeties, we talk defense, we talk what joint 431 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: practice is meant to him. We've got much more on 432 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: twenty men in the huddle. We'll be right back. Welcome 433 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: to the twenty minute in the Huddle podcast and I 434 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: have a special guest with me today. He was the 435 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: Detroit Lions starting safety from twenty thirteen to twenty eighteen. 436 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: Glover Quinn, Thanks so much for taking the time. I 437 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: know you're in from Houston for the day here checking 438 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: out camp. Oh yeah, thanks for having me man. Yeah. 439 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that when I was 440 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: kind of just researching this, looking up preparing for this interview, 441 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: that that jumped out to me with you was you 442 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: played ten seasons in the NFL. You missed one football 443 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,360 Speaker 1: game and that was your rookie year. Right. Is that 444 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: one of the things that you pride yourself most And 445 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: obviously you have you know, the twenty fourteen season with 446 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: the seven picks and you've been to Pro Bowls. But 447 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: to look over ten years to miss one game that 448 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: that has, that's gonna be a pretty problem. Yeah. I mean, 449 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: that's that's something that you know, I always took pride 450 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: in just being available for my team, my teammates. Um, 451 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't miss practices if I if I 452 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: could practice, and you know, I felt like that was 453 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: just something that you know, I built that was just me. 454 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: I want to be there if injured not injured. If 455 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: I can be there, I want to be there. And 456 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: so you just kind of get the going and you're 457 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: just kind of playing and you're playing two injuries, and 458 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you look up and you're like, man, 459 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: I'm at like seventy games in a row, and it's 460 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: like oh wow. And then you kind of play another season. 461 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 1: It's like I'm at like ninety games in the room. 462 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: You're just like, dude, i' might could go a hundred. 463 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,360 Speaker 1: Then you get a Hundred's like wow, I didn't want 464 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: a hundred straight. Now you're just like all right, So 465 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: now you just kind of I mean, unless there's something catastrophic, 466 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: you're just playing through everything, yeah, because you got a 467 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: street going. Yeah. And then I think I ended that 468 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 1: one hundred and forty eighth straight. Wow. That's pretty amazing 469 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: when you think one hundred forty eighth straight hundred and 470 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: that was you know, I mean, those were the times 471 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: before they were, you know, protecting players like they are 472 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: now and some of that stuff. You know, So those 473 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: guys that that you know in your era, you know, nineties, 474 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: two thousand and two thousand and tens, you know, that 475 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 1: was really before they started protecting guys. It was a 476 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: much more physical game. Yeah, I mean it was, you know, 477 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: and I mean I remember, you know, when I was 478 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: young coming in. You know, I was a fourth rounder, 479 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: and so you're trying to gain your respect, earn your 480 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: keeping this in this league. And so I remember my 481 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 1: dB coach telling me when I was in Houston, he 482 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: was like, man, you gotta play smarter because you're gonna 483 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 1: hurt yourself. Because I was a defensive back, but I 484 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: was supposed to be like this tough guy, this physical guy. 485 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: So I'm taking on old lineman any and everything. I'm 486 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: just trying to hit any and everything because I'm trying 487 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: to prove that I'm not scared. I can play like 488 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: and you know, I went through my first year and 489 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: I was playing pretty reckless, you know. And after that, 490 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 1: I kind of started getting smarter and smarter. And then 491 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: you start learning, you know, times that you need to 492 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: throw your body in there and times you can can 493 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: protect yourself, and and then you start learning how to practice. 494 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: And so once you get to that point where you 495 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: understand how to practice how to play the game, I mean, 496 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: with a little little luck, a lot of blessings from God, 497 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: you can you can survive. I want to ask you 498 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 1: about Tracy Walker because you were here. He's the guy 499 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,439 Speaker 1: that comes in UM as a rookie and you know 500 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: obviously recently got paid, got that contract extension. And I 501 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: know he credited you know you and Quandre Diggs with 502 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: with guys that were kind of helping him along the way. 503 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: He said he wouldn't have gotten to this point without 504 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: you know you guys and you guys taking him under 505 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: his wing, under your wing when he was a young player, 506 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: when he came in here in twenty eighteen, did you 507 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: know then that he would become a guy who's now 508 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: a core member of this football team. You know, you know, 509 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 1: one of the better safeties in this league. I mean, 510 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: I knew he had the potential. I knew he had 511 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: the want to because he would always ask questions, like 512 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: he would always ask me questions. And I hate that 513 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: I was only within him for a year, but he 514 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: would always ask in and everything he didn't He wasn't 515 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: a prideful guy that felt like, you know, he knew 516 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,919 Speaker 1: all the answers all He just wanted to learn. He 517 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: wanted to learn, He wanted to do as much as 518 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: he could to learn and I knew then when you 519 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: have a guy that got a trait like that, then 520 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: the sky's really the ceiling for them, Like they can 521 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: go really far because you have to be willing to learn. 522 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: You have to be humble enough to ask questions when 523 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: you don't know the answers. When you feel like you 524 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: know all the answers, now, you're closing yourself off to 525 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: more information that could help you in your career. And 526 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: so he was never afraid of that, and so I 527 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: knew then that that's gonna be a big deal for him. 528 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: And then you see some of his natural talent, his 529 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: size long, You're like, Okay, if he can stay healthy 530 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: and learn the game the right way, he could be 531 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: a he could be a good player, you know. And 532 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: he's obviously under the tutelage of Aaron Glenn right, a 533 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: guy you're familiar with from you know, your time in Houston. 534 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: M Just what's your impressions of Aaron obviously was a 535 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: successful player for a long long time in this league, 536 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: but really has become, you know, one of the more 537 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 1: sought after take coaches. You saw that head coaching interviews. 538 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: He does a defensive coordine. He's kind of one of 539 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: those you know, young hot names out there. Just the 540 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: kind of guy he is and and just your interactions 541 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: with him, how much respect you have for that guy? Well, 542 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean a g back when I was 543 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: in I was living in Houst I was playing there. Um, 544 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: I remember watching him play obviously when he was in Houston, 545 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: and he was a great player, you know what I'm saying, 546 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: fiery guy, like he was a fun player to watch. 547 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: And so when I got a chance to meet him 548 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: in Houston, I was like, you know, like super excited. 549 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: That's Aaron Glenn, right. And so I remember being out 550 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: when you know, one one year, just celebrate my birthday 551 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 1: and I didn't even know him at the time, but 552 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: he must have knew me or had saw me, and 553 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: he came over. We talked, we chatted, and it was 554 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: and it was like super cool. I was like, Wow, 555 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: that's that's AG. And so then when he was with 556 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: New Orleans, we used to practice against those guys, and 557 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: so his secondaries were always like very very very very physical. 558 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: They're like we used to always fight those guys, you 559 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,120 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But that was just the makeup 560 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: of that team, the makeup of the culture that he 561 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: was creating within this group and then all of a 562 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 1: sudden he gets you know, moved up and up and 563 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: you can just see his his imprint on all these teams. 564 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: And so now to see him here decordinator, Like I mean, 565 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: the things that you hear coming out of the building 566 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: about him, it's not surprising to me. And so their 567 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 1: guys are lucky to have him. And I mean, I'm 568 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 1: looking forward to like send his defense again this year 569 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,959 Speaker 1: and what they can be. And when you watch that 570 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: from Afar last season, when you get guys like Jerry Jacobs, 571 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: AJ Parker, young guys, you know, undrafted rookies, and then 572 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: you see that development, you see the player they are 573 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: a week one, week two, week three, and then the 574 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: player they are weak, you know, thirteen fourteen into December, 575 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: playing really good ball, being contributors. Does that speak to 576 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: Aaron as well? And just and hit that whole defensive 577 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 1: staff and the way they can develop young people, right, 578 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: And that's really what you want to see. Can you 579 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: develop guys, because that's that's really the name of the game, 580 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You got guys who come 581 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: in and coaches don't take the time to develop them. 582 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: They assume things are they're busy or whatever, and they 583 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: don't take time to develop players. And so if you 584 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: can get a young guy with some potential with some 585 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: of the physical things, whether it's speed or size or 586 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: whatever it may be, you can see something in those guys, 587 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,679 Speaker 1: and you just continue to develop up those guys and 588 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: you be patient and you teach them the right way. 589 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: I mean, the league is made up of you know, 590 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: third through undrafted guys, right, you mean you only get 591 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,479 Speaker 1: for the most part one one first round draft picks, right, 592 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying a year, So the league 593 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: is made up of those guys who are third rounders, 594 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: fourth rounders, fifth rounders, six rounders, undrafted guys that turning 595 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: to good players that you know, teams don't have to 596 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: pay that much money to until it's time to pay 597 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: the money. You mentioned the scheme changes with Aaron Glenn, 598 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: and one thing he mentioned too is this is a 599 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 1: safety driven defense. When you hear something like that, you 600 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: play the position for a long long time at a 601 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: high level. What does that mean when the defense is 602 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,640 Speaker 1: kind of safety driven? Well, I mean it can mean 603 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different things, but for the most part, 604 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 1: the safety is going to be major contributors and major 605 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: factors and how the defense is run. And that would 606 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: depend on the ability of your safeties, right because I mean, 607 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 1: you can say it's a safety driven defense, but if 608 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: you don't have the safeties that can do what you're 609 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 1: asking them to do. As a coordinator, you have to 610 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 1: fit your scheme to your players, right. Um, but your 611 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: safeties will be involved blitzing different cover stuff, um, communicating 612 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: to linebackers because now they're in the mix, you know, 613 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: communicating to corners, just doing different things where they're not 614 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: just sitting back into high you know, playing over the 615 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: top of They're not just you know, in a in 616 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: a cover three and they're just you know, they're gonna 617 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: be intricately involved into the game, the run game, the 618 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: blitz game, the past game, you know, mixing things up. 619 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: And so when you got guys that can play and 620 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: guys that know how to do it, it would be fun. 621 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: And what about having to guys, right you had that 622 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: run you know, you and Quadre were terrific. And when 623 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: you've got two guys that can play together and the 624 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,240 Speaker 1: lines are hoping that Deshaun Elliott is that guy to 625 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: sit next to trace. You know, we know what trades 626 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: can do, and Deshaun's had some successful years in Baltimore. Now, 627 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: when you've got two guys that can play off each other, 628 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: when you've got guys, each guy can come down, be 629 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,959 Speaker 1: in the box, can play deep, you can just do 630 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of things that are almost interchangeable. 631 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: How important is that for a defense? You know, it's 632 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: very important when it comes to like different looks and 633 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: different scheme things, because you can mix stuff up. You know, 634 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: has some pros and had some cuns to it as well, 635 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: because you kind of learn more and get more comfortable 636 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: when you continually put into a role. Right, So my 637 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: first year here in twenty thirteen, I was with Lewis Demos, 638 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: and Demos wanted to play right side of the defense 639 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: because he was left handed, so his tackle shoulder was 640 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: his left shoulder right, So he wanted to play on 641 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: the right side of the defense, so when he come 642 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: down to make tackles, he's tackling with his left shoulder, 643 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: So he always played on the right side. So then 644 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: I was there for always on the left side. And 645 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: so now we were basically interchangeable depending on how the 646 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: offense came out. It wasn't ness a strong safety or 647 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: free safety right, it was just your the left side, 648 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: he's the right side. Well, then the next year I'm 649 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: with James and headyball and he's more or in the 650 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: box guy right, So now it went from left and 651 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: right too. He's in the box, I'm in I'm deep right. 652 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: And then that's the year I had the interceptions. So 653 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: then it were just like, all right, you're staying gig, 654 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: You're going to the box like we were gonna do that. 655 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 1: But then ever Nowaday we would switch it up right 656 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: because you get tired of being in the middle all 657 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: the time. And then when they're not throwing the ball, 658 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: but you can give the offense different looks. And then 659 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,479 Speaker 1: when I got with Tavan and Quandre, and especially especially Quandre, 660 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: we were kind of like me and Lewis, but it 661 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily left and right. We could just play whatever 662 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: we wanted to play, you know what I'm saying. That 663 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: was fun because being the older guy, you know, but 664 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: we're respecting Quandre's talent, we could do a lot of 665 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: different things, things that they thought that I would probably 666 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: be doing. I could let Quandre do it. And then 667 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: things that you know what I'm saying. We could mix 668 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: it up if it like, if I had a clue 669 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: or feeling about something, I could change stuff up real quick. 670 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: Because Quandre understood the game. He was a good player, 671 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: so we could do things on the fly because you know, 672 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I was an older guy's big brothers, so he trusted me. 673 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: He knew I wasn't trying to you know, leave him 674 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: out to drive. So if I had an inkling of something, 675 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm just like hey, hey, Quandrid like we could we could. 676 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: We could roll it on the fly. So it was 677 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: fun and coaches trusted us. And that all started from 678 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: just from practicing. Though people don't understand how much practice 679 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 1: means and matters when it comes to the trust and 680 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: a relationship with your coaches. When they see you working 681 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: with each other and doing different things and practicing different 682 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: things in practice, like you're doing different things, they give 683 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: you more leeway and freedom when you get in the 684 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: games because they've seen you do it in practice. Yeah, 685 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: So that's why it was important for me to practice 686 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: every day, Like, let's practice every day. So I need 687 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: all the guys to practice every day so we can 688 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 1: we can get those reps and then we get in 689 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: the game because you never know what's going to happen 690 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: in the game. Just because you practice it a certain way, 691 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: the offense may not show it that way be a 692 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: little different in the game. So we gotta have so 693 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: much understanding and so that's why it was a big 694 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: deal to me. When you think Tracy and Deshaun can 695 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: kind of be that combination, it seems like there's skill 696 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: sets really play off of each other. Really well, yeah, 697 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: I think I think so. Um. I mean, it's just 698 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know exactly what Aaron's gonna 699 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 1: have them doing. I'm interested to see. Um. But when 700 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: you look at the body types, you look at the skills, 701 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 1: you would think that they could be in a change. 702 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: But Tracy can play in the box, he can play 703 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: in open field, and you know the Seaun can do 704 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: the same thing, so you would think that they can 705 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: do that. It would depend on what they're primary to 706 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: ask them to do and then what guys are comfortable with, 707 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: because you want guys to be comfortable for the most part. Right, 708 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: just because a player can play in the box, is 709 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: he comfortable in the box or just because he can 710 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: play in the deep part of the field. Is he 711 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 1: comfortable and right? Yeah? Right? So I think those are 712 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: the things that you feel out during training camp, you 713 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: feel out during pre season games, and you kind of 714 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: get like because like I said, when I was with 715 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: James ahead about they knew he was going to be 716 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: in the box and they knew I was gonna be 717 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: deep and we rolled with it, like just is what 718 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: it is? Beat us? Right, Um, so that's you know, 719 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: you can you can go either way. So you're going 720 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: to be out at practice this week, So what do 721 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 1: you Where do you gravitate? Where do your eyes go? 722 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I'm going to the skill guys. I'm 723 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: going straight to the dvs. All right, I'm going I'm 724 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: going to my corners, right and safeties, Like I want 725 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: to see those guys. I want to see them work. 726 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 1: I want to I want to see how they're working, right, 727 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 1: because there's a standard when you when you really want 728 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: to be great, Like there's a there's a standard, and 729 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: I want to see because if they're not, then I 730 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: want to tell them that, like there's a higher level 731 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160 Speaker 1: than what you guys are working. And obviously want to 732 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: see the wide receiver. So I'm interesting to see all that, 733 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: and you know, the big guys are the big guys, 734 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: Like I mean, I love the big guys, but I 735 00:33:55,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: want yeah, and it gets you know, real fish, like 736 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: you know, going against another team, how much did you 737 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: like those, um the lines are going to Indie to 738 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: do joint practices? How much did you like those? As 739 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 1: a player? How much more did you get out of 740 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: those joint practices than you did just after two weeks 741 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: hitting the same guy, going against the same scheme. I mean, 742 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: it just all depends. I mean I wasn't crazy about 743 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: joining practices. I mean no, I mean that cool, but 744 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't really crazy about them. But you know, 745 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: it depends on the year as well. Like I said, 746 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: when I was a rookie, it was fun. We're playing 747 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: against you know, Drew Brees and the Saints and you know, 748 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: we get the fight and all. It was fun. And 749 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: then you know, as I got older, it's just kind 750 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: of like I remember, my first wasn't one of my years. Here. 751 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: We went to India I think in practice, and then 752 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: we went to Pittsburgh and practice and it's just like, man, 753 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to be in Pittsburgh for a whole week. Man, 754 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: like driving an hour down to practice every day, Like 755 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: I don't wanna do that, man, man, Like you guys 756 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,600 Speaker 1: are creatures. And then the one year we had the 757 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: giant practice with us here I think eighteen, right, it 758 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,480 Speaker 1: might have been Patricias Y, yeah, right, Like you just 759 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: to mess up the whole schedule and their routine, just like, 760 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: come on, man, But you get some good out of it. 761 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: You get some good out of it because you're going 762 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: against different guys, you're getting different schemes, you're getting put 763 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: more game situations, getting yourself ready to play. So it's 764 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: a good to change it up, mix it up, get 765 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: the guys a different look. Obviously, they've been going against 766 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: our offense from you know, the summer OTAs and then 767 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: into training camp, so they've been going against those guys 768 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: they know and understand the plays and all that stuff. 769 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,800 Speaker 1: So it'd be good to get them in a practice 770 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,120 Speaker 1: environment against another team so then they can start working 771 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: on some of those football game type situations and things 772 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: that they need. So we know where Glover Quinn's eyes 773 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: are gravitating at practice, right, And so I'm just curious 774 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: from the outside looking, I know you continue to follow 775 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,719 Speaker 1: the team, you follow them last year and obviously the 776 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: rough start, but we're playing so much better football at 777 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 1: the end of last year. I'm just curious, what's your 778 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: thoughts on this year and Dan camp on this team 779 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: and the collection of guys heading into the second year. Well, 780 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm excited just as everybody else. Right, you 781 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: see the record that they had last year, but like 782 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: you said, you see how they were playing towards the 783 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: end of the year. They were in a lot of 784 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: games that they lost. You know, they played really, really, 785 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: really good football, and so now you just want to see, 786 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,640 Speaker 1: can they take that next step? Right? Can year two 787 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: and Dan Campbell's system? Can can know the year with 788 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: the quarterback? Can like, can they take that next step 789 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,040 Speaker 1: and get more wins? Right? Can those three wins turn 790 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: into ten wins? Because the games that you lost, Like 791 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, I mean a difference 792 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: in ten and six and six and ten is about 793 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: four plays in the grand scheme of things, you know 794 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Yes, a lot of game, but you 795 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: can look at two or three games here there and like, bro, 796 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 1: one play, we win that game, and then you know 797 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: we probably won this game. And you know you can 798 00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: easily look up and say, and I was talking to somebody, 799 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: but I think on another pods and I was like, 800 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: you look at the year. I think it might have 801 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: been seventeen, um, Golden Tate gets tackled at the half 802 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 1: inch line against Atlanta and we lose that game. Then 803 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: you got the one year you know, Calvin Johnson gets 804 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: the ball punched out in Seattle right at the half inch. 805 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: So those two games, right, that wasn't I don't think 806 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:26,479 Speaker 1: that was the same year, But twenty seventeen. That takes 807 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 1: you from nine and seven to ten and six right right, 808 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 1: Like you just so it's just that close. And I'm 809 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: sure you can find a game that we won that 810 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: was that close to losing. So the difference in nine 811 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: and seven, ten and six, six and ten seventy nine, 812 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: it's only about three or fourth place. What do you 813 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,399 Speaker 1: view as a good improvement record wise? Do you even 814 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: look at record or what do they have to do 815 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: this year to say in your opinion be like, Okay, 816 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 1: this is heading in the right direction, like Dan's got 817 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: this going right. Well, you know, you got to maximize 818 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:04,839 Speaker 1: certain years because the thing about it, the window is small, right, 819 00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 1: because it's a it's a business, So you have guys 820 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: for a certain window, and then money gets involved and 821 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,359 Speaker 1: some guys leave and other guys come in and things 822 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: like that, and so I don't know what the window is, right, 823 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 1: So is it like, okay, well, if this is not 824 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: the year, then this guy's gonna be gone. This guy's 825 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: gonna be gone. We're gonna have to replace. Who knows 826 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, right, So, yes, she wanted to see improvement. 827 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: They won three games last year. Can't we get to 828 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,920 Speaker 1: you know, nine ten games, hopefully fighting for a playoff spot? Right? 829 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: Got seventeen games, Um, so you're getting more opportunities. I 830 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: think they take an extra team or something like that. 831 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,359 Speaker 1: So you know, can we find a way to get 832 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,920 Speaker 1: into that playoff? Can we be playing meaningful games in 833 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: November and December? Right? You? Meaningful football? Is it? You 834 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,399 Speaker 1: know all the guys packing it in or is it like, 835 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,319 Speaker 1: hey man, this game on December to twelve for going 836 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: to bed. It's a big game, right, So that's what 837 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: you really want to see. We're playing meaningful football and 838 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,200 Speaker 1: the end of the season, giving yourself a chance to 839 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,319 Speaker 1: get into the tournament. I know that's what you guys want. 840 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: Out there. He is, Glover Quinn. That was great stuff. 841 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time to stop by. How the 842 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: boys doing it doing good? Man's doing good? Sports still? 843 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know. We had our conversations back in 844 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: the day. My son was travel sports and years where 845 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: so we're a sports hard. We're a sports hard. I 846 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: love it. Enjoy your time here in Detroit, enjoy those 847 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 1: defensive backs, and we'll be back with twentim in the huddle.