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Speaker 1: As you know on Nata Lampid, we give it to
Speaker 1: you straight, no chaser, And so I want to let
Speaker 1: you guys know, we are going.
Speaker 2: To be talking about a lot on this episode.
Speaker 1: We're going to we had a primary this week, two
Speaker 1: primaries on Nevada and Nevada.
Speaker 5: Forgive me all the folks in Nevada on the West coast, right,
Speaker 5: let's the a Ryan go never let us this is
Speaker 5: the West Coast Nevada, Nevada in South Carolina.
Speaker 1: So we'll get into that immigration. Every time we talk
Speaker 1: about immigration, I feel like it's a flood of comments. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people feel away and people, I will tell you, people
Speaker 1: have been coming after me like Tiffany, you have no
Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about, and let me tell you
Speaker 1: what's happening in Chicago.
Speaker 4: And New York.
Speaker 2: And I heard y'all.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna get into that again today.
Speaker 1: In shall we gonna we want to come rod to
Speaker 1: your city, invite us. We're also going to get into
Speaker 1: something that we talked about doing on this podcast is
Speaker 1: talking about some of these state bills that are happening
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't pay attention and a
Speaker 1: lot of these state these laws that are passed to
Speaker 1: the state legislature become federal law. So we're going to
Speaker 1: start paying attention to that as well. We're going to
Speaker 1: y'all know what's happening Sunday. Yes, the NFL, So we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about.
Speaker 4: That Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yes, and angel I know you read a really interesting
Speaker 1: report from Mackenzie.
Speaker 2: We're going to get into that.
Speaker 1: And I just want to take a moment and thank
Speaker 1: you guys because of the response to Andrew's testimony last week. Andrew,
Speaker 1: I know you stay on social media, we all need to,
Speaker 1: but it was overwhelming. There were so many people just
Speaker 1: showing you all the love of my brothers. So his
Speaker 1: testimony was so harrowing and so much. We're going to
Speaker 1: play the second half of his testimony, so I want
Speaker 1: you guys to really stick around and listen to that
Speaker 1: because after going through such turmoil and personal crisis and
Speaker 1: and surviving that so teers to you. Then the Lord
Speaker 1: send another challenger away and you survived that, but getting
Speaker 1: into the trial, I think that is super, super important,
Speaker 1: So you guys please be sure to stick around for that.
Speaker 1: So we allowed to get to get into this podcast. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: let's get right into it. I think we have to
Speaker 1: kick it off with the primaries this week, the primary
Speaker 1: South Carolina and Nevada. So I think why it's important
Speaker 1: for us to talk about this is these two states
Speaker 1: have the highest population of people of when it comes
Speaker 1: to primary state.
Speaker 3: So far in the yeah, oh no period.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for primary states.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So South Carolina has a large not the largest, but
Speaker 1: a very large black population, and Nevada has a very
Speaker 1: large Latino population, black population, indigenous population. Right, big labor
Speaker 1: community there because of all the casinos. Labor obviously plays
Speaker 1: an outsize role in politics. So we got to get
Speaker 1: into it. I will be honest with you guys, I
Speaker 1: was not paying attention. Well, I wanted to take a
Speaker 1: break from it all. I wanted to like focus on myself,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I felt a little ease being out of
Speaker 1: the news. So Angela actually updated me this morning. Angela,
Speaker 1: please tell me the results of the Nevada Nevada primier.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say the Biden heres campaign pushed out
Speaker 5: some results this morning talking about there were there was
Speaker 5: a ninety percent of the twenty twenty turnout in this
Speaker 5: year's primary South Carolina.
Speaker 4: No, this is in Nevada, Novada.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think that I'm a little concerned because
Speaker 5: I know you said, Andrews said, I wouldn't have shown
Speaker 5: up at all.
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, but I think that.
Speaker 5: You know, we just need to be aware of these numbers,
Speaker 5: particularly as it relates to people of color. However, I
Speaker 5: feel like the big news in Nevada is that Nicki
Speaker 5: Haley opted out of the caucuses and into the primary.
Speaker 5: She says she didn't compete. Her campaign says she didn't compete.
Speaker 5: But let me tell you who did compete.
Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait wait, So that the
Speaker 3: viewers understanding completely, Donald Trump chose the caucuses over the primaries,
Speaker 3: and therefore was not a name on the ballot.
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, okay, yes, So because you can only pick
Speaker 5: the primary or the caucuses. Yes, so Nicki Haley chose
Speaker 5: the ballot, she chose the primary, and there was another
Speaker 5: choice on the ballot that Donald Trump did push. So
Speaker 5: there was a ghost of Donald Trump on the ballot.
Speaker 5: It was not any of these candidates. Wait, but do
Speaker 5: you mean like none of the other candidates are on there.
Speaker 4: Or a choice.
Speaker 5: There was a choice that said, and I quote, not
Speaker 5: any of these candidates, Haley.
Speaker 2: Any option B is none of y'all.
Speaker 4: Do y'all want to know who won?
Speaker 5: I have a feeling any of these candidates.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, can you imagine?
Speaker 5: So the campaign is trying heard it, but they needed
Speaker 5: to hear that. Here's the thing, Nikki Haley has to
Speaker 5: be embarrassed. Her campaign has to be mortified. But they
Speaker 5: said they putting it all on the line of South Carolina. So,
Speaker 5: of course South Carolina primaries this weekend were just the
Speaker 5: Democrats this past weekend.
Speaker 4: The Republicans are coming up on the twenty four. So yeah,
Speaker 4: so we'll see.
Speaker 1: Well, as you were saying this, our producer, Nick is
Speaker 1: a spellar producer. He actually has the winner of the
Speaker 1: GOP primary caucus on the line.
Speaker 2: Please help me welcome.
Speaker 1: None of these candidates. Thank you for joining us. About
Speaker 1: your good feats. I'm sorry about your victory. Give us
Speaker 1: your remarks on your stellar victory in Nevada. All right,
Speaker 1: that you heard it here first, folks, we have the
Speaker 1: GOP winner of the Nevada primary with those really riveting,
Speaker 1: compelling remarks, I say, all right, can we just I
Speaker 1: know we got to move on, but I want to
Speaker 1: talk about South Carolina because some people were taking that
Speaker 1: and saying, oh, it wasn't a big turnout, and you know,
Speaker 1: black voters aren't turning out. I get so tired of
Speaker 1: hearing that that that trope. Did you guys have any
Speaker 1: thoughts on that or are we done with that?
Speaker 3: Well, black voters weren't turning out for the Republican primary,
Speaker 3: of course not.
Speaker 4: But true Republican primary, that's not.
Speaker 3: Yet I understand. But my point is is in a
Speaker 3: non contested presidential election, right, a lot of people don't
Speaker 3: take time to go out to the polls to just
Speaker 3: reconfirm what we already know, which is Biden and Harris
Speaker 3: will be the nominees for Democrats. So to me, I
Speaker 3: don't think we ought to overread that.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 5: Thing I'll tell you guys is our dear sister Latasha Brown,
Speaker 5: who's been doing work all over the south South Carolina.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna forget about you, brother.
Speaker 5: I just say our sister because she's but yes, and
Speaker 5: Cliff Albright and April I love them.
Speaker 4: I will say this.
Speaker 5: They said that there was an increase in black voter
Speaker 5: turnout in South Carolina. So even though the numbers were down,
Speaker 5: I tell you, did I see an increase in black
Speaker 5: voter turnout on his ballot count was Dean Phillips.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought you was gonna say, Jim Scott.
Speaker 5: But you know what, Jim Scott is competing in the
Speaker 5: Republican primary, competing.
Speaker 3: He's still on the ballot.
Speaker 4: He's still on the ballot. I think he was. He wasn't. No,
Speaker 4: he was on the He's on the ballot in Nevada.
Speaker 4: They can't take you. I don't think they could take
Speaker 4: you off. We gotta check and none of that.
Speaker 3: And not even so he got beat by nobody either not.
Speaker 4: Again, yes, okay, yeah, that Mike.
Speaker 5: But the thing is the one who's still in the race.
Speaker 5: Nikki Hayley got beat by one of these kids.
Speaker 2: President, none of these candidates.
Speaker 3: Might you want to run? None of them?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Exactly, change your name legally, Nemorda.
Speaker 1: I know for your birthday, for your birthday, it's name that's.
Speaker 2: An Obama Carter.
Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we got a lot more show coming
Speaker 1: up when we come back after this break. We're going
Speaker 1: to get into immigration. You guys have a lot to
Speaker 1: say about immigration. Okay, I'm eager for this next topic
Speaker 1: because immigration. We've talked about this a few times on
Speaker 1: the show, and so many of you guys listening way
Speaker 1: in on this immigration thing. And look, I want to say,
Speaker 1: I've heard everybody from Chicago and New York say, you
Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know, you don't know. You guys
Speaker 1: know where Angela and I are in our girl group,
Speaker 1: our group chat, and so in our co ed chat. Actually,
Speaker 1: I think this came up in our co ed chat
Speaker 1: and we were talking about immigration. And this is how
Speaker 1: I know we have our finger on the pulse of
Speaker 1: the community because you guys, your questions are always very
Speaker 1: consistent with what we talk about. And so I want
Speaker 1: to kick us off with a viewer question. Who's gonna
Speaker 1: get us right into this conversation. So let's rode off
Speaker 1: your question and we'll talk about it on the other side.
Speaker 7: Good day, Navy Land. My name is Valentine and I
Speaker 7: live in Hinesvith, Georgia. My question is what do you
Speaker 7: think about what fifty cent did over the weekend when
Speaker 7: he did a tweet me personally, I have a problem
Speaker 7: with that because if you're gonna tweet something like that.
Speaker 7: Tweet all the other stuff too, Tweet what the House
Speaker 7: Republicans doing right now. That's not working with the Democratic
Speaker 7: Party about making some kind of bill to control the border.
Speaker 7: He's not education's people. I do believe people like that.
Speaker 7: The rappers, they're not. They have a platform, but they're
Speaker 7: not really educating the people like they should.
Speaker 8: Then more what you think.
Speaker 2: All right, I have a lot of thoughts on this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kick it to y'all. Well, I have a.
Speaker 1: Challenging time when first, let me just say, rappers are
Speaker 1: tax paying citizens and they have a right to weigh
Speaker 1: in on everything. So I really don't appreciate this, not
Speaker 1: from the viewer, but sometimes from society. There's this attitude
Speaker 1: of shut up and dribble, you know, stick to sports,
Speaker 1: stick to music. And these people probably pay more taxes
Speaker 1: than some of the people suggesting these things.
Speaker 2: So he has a right to weigh in. Fair fair enough.
Speaker 1: But I think the bigger point that I would say
Speaker 1: for people who hear these kind of remarks because somebody
Speaker 1: read a paper for the first time in six months,
Speaker 1: they're not an expert on something. Because someone is doing
Speaker 1: kind of this like hashtag news following. They're not an expert.
Speaker 1: This is one person's opinion, and so when you hear this,
Speaker 1: I would invite everybody fine the solid resource yourself because
Speaker 1: fifty doesn't work on immigration issues at all. But I
Speaker 1: think the bigger issue that this gets into. I think
Speaker 1: that what the viewer is trying to suggest is there
Speaker 1: are other issues happening. One of the conversations we were
Speaker 1: having is in the black community. Are there are some
Speaker 1: members of the black community who are being anti immigrants
Speaker 1: or is it a fight over resources?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tiff, I agree with you that any tax paying citizen,
Speaker 5: anyone that is watching what's happening in this country has
Speaker 5: a right to appine on it. Even young folks who
Speaker 5: don't aren't working, or are elders who may not be working,
Speaker 5: they have a right to appine on what's happening. I
Speaker 5: think the challenge is that when we think about the
Speaker 5: haves and the have nots, oftentimes folks who look like
Speaker 5: us find ourselves on the have not side like most
Speaker 5: other people of color, right, And I think that the
Speaker 5: concern I have is the haves get to escape with
Speaker 5: you know, blemish free, like there's nothing on them about
Speaker 5: this and that is what is troubling to me.
Speaker 4: So fifty cent. He actually didn't just have an opinion.
Speaker 5: He raised a question, Eric Adams, tell me what's going
Speaker 5: on with these cards?
Speaker 2: So, well, les's we should say what the cards are.
Speaker 5: Yes, so there is a pilot program in place in
Speaker 5: New York and yes, and it's also family. Yes, And
Speaker 5: it is a card that is essentially like Snap Benefits
Speaker 5: but for migrant community members. Why there were thousands of
Speaker 5: meals being thrown away every day because folks are like,
Speaker 5: I don't want this nasty food, like I want something else.
Speaker 5: So these cards can be used at the local bodega
Speaker 5: and grocery store so that they can cook the things
Speaker 5: that they actually want to eat. Now, folks looking at
Speaker 5: this can say, well, what about us? We actually have
Speaker 5: SNAP Benefits for low income under resource families all throughout
Speaker 5: the country through federal programming. But this particular program also
Speaker 5: works with a black owned business that I can't remember
Speaker 5: the name of right now, but I do want to
Speaker 5: play Eric Adams sound in response to this.
Speaker 2: I responding to fifty fifty cent, Oh yeah, let's let's
Speaker 2: let's hear that.
Speaker 9: This was a small policy shift that we're doing on
Speaker 9: a pilot project with five hundred people. If this is successful,
Speaker 9: we're going to expand it even more so that we
Speaker 9: can bring down we got to bring down the course
Speaker 9: twenty percent. We want to bring down a course, and
Speaker 9: their team are doing their job.
Speaker 4: So I told.
Speaker 3: Fifty to hit me up.
Speaker 9: I would love to explain it to him so that
Speaker 9: he can go out and do another tweet of saying,
Speaker 9: you know what, Eric is just a smart manager, and
Speaker 9: now we understand why he was elected by the people
Speaker 9: of this city of New York.
Speaker 5: I love it. Wow, so asked Ari Melburn Tips former colleague,
Speaker 5: my former corleague as well, to explain what happened.
Speaker 4: He's become a rapper whisper. But also we.
Speaker 5: Think that we can we can give you a run
Speaker 5: for your money on that, Ari, And so to this end,
Speaker 5: we hope that now it is clearer to fifty cent
Speaker 5: you know what is going on, not just to him,
Speaker 5: but he was bold enough to ask the question. A
Speaker 5: lot of people with these questions all over the country
Speaker 5: about where is mine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's kind of the thing Andrew right, Like, so,
Speaker 1: I I do look at our comments, even the comments
Speaker 1: left on Native lamppod on one, thank you everybody for
Speaker 1: following Native Lampod on all of your platforms at Native Lampod.
Speaker 1: But a lot of those comments are actually to meet
Speaker 1: anti immigrant. So I think there are two conversations. One
Speaker 1: is what about us, which I think is always Angela's point,
Speaker 1: because Angela, you know, you.
Speaker 2: Were quick to say, hey, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: These are people who are also suffering, who are saying
Speaker 1: we you know, it looks like some people are leapfrogging
Speaker 1: over us, and we need our resources too. Then there's
Speaker 1: another bucket of people who are saying, I don't want
Speaker 1: these people here. They are replacing the black population. They're
Speaker 1: gonna outnumber us, you know, by a certain year, we're
Speaker 1: going to be the minorities. And they already the Latino
Speaker 1: population already eclipses the black population in terms of eligible voters,
Speaker 1: not registered voters, but eligible voters. And there are people
Speaker 1: who feel a way about that. That to me is
Speaker 1: anti immigrant. And that is also very similar to what
Speaker 1: certain pockets of the white population feel about people of
Speaker 1: color becoming the dominant population in twenty forty four. I
Speaker 1: don't like to hear us talk like that.
Speaker 3: You know what, I think, so real quick on this one.
Speaker 3: Eric Adams did mention in his response that this is cheaper.
Speaker 3: He said, we have a goal of the twenty percent.
Speaker 3: We want to cut the budget on this about twenty percent.
Speaker 3: But it is cheaper than what they are spending right now.
Speaker 3: Here in America, we don't tend to just let people
Speaker 3: languish on the street hungry without having some shelter available
Speaker 3: for them to get food. If there isn't permanent overnight
Speaker 3: housing for folks of.
Speaker 5: It, they can't because actually mayors, as you know, would
Speaker 5: be liable for it.
Speaker 4: You have to have a solution.
Speaker 3: Of course, every well the community would demand one. They'd say,
Speaker 3: we're tied of these folks laying out on the street.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, they're saying, you're putting these people in our neighborhood,
Speaker 1: you're closing down.
Speaker 3: So there is an expectation that we will tend to
Speaker 3: the problem one way or another. And what Mayor Adams
Speaker 3: is saying, he didn't have the luxury of being a
Speaker 3: derelict on this. These are issues that are confronting his city,
Speaker 3: his community, his constituents, and he wants to address somebody
Speaker 3: wants to do it, and frankly, a more cost effective
Speaker 3: and cost efficient way. That's what they are piloting. And
Speaker 3: the way I used to think about it when I
Speaker 3: was a mayor was you're gonna pay one way or another.
Speaker 3: You can pay the smart way in advance, so you
Speaker 3: can wait and take it up on the back end.
Speaker 3: And then you're dealing with incarceration rates, and you're dealing
Speaker 3: with arrests, and you're dealing with police dividing their time
Speaker 3: between dealing with homeless folks versus real crimes that are
Speaker 3: taking place in communities. So these are the kinds of
Speaker 3: decisions that are being made, and we should not pretend
Speaker 3: that some portion of money wouldn't be going this way anyway.
Speaker 3: He's only trying to say, let's do it, and let's
Speaker 3: do it in a cost efficient and effective way that
Speaker 3: also happens to feed people that.
Speaker 5: Also use a black owned business. And to this point,
Speaker 5: you were brought up in ti immigrant sentiment. If we
Speaker 5: did get a question about the border, there's a contingency
Speaker 5: that's still saying build that wall, Like, meanwhile, what wall,
Speaker 5: Let's roll that question.
Speaker 3: Good morning, family.
Speaker 10: This is big cousin Will Almighty from Saint Louis, Missouri,
Speaker 10: and my question is with all the talk of the border,
Speaker 10: securing the border, closing the border, border, remain me open.
Speaker 10: Why is it America? Don't solve the real problem, the
Speaker 10: reason people are running and escaping their lands to come
Speaker 10: to America. I believe that will solve the problem.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay? Can I just birthday?
Speaker 11: I love this, big cousin, Will, Almighty school day.
Speaker 3: I just want to I want to know what side
Speaker 3: of you are. You don't get to decide.
Speaker 4: I guess I gotta be doing color complex. We're trying
Speaker 4: to bring the black and brown community together here, you're
Speaker 4: trying to separate this.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 4: High five you too?
Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, Wow, anyway, wow, big cousin Will. I love
Speaker 1: this question because we kind of got into this last
Speaker 1: week because a lot of these policies come from the
Speaker 1: United States meddling in Central America. But you worked on
Speaker 1: the hill, so I really want to hear your perspective
Speaker 1: on this.
Speaker 4: I know we were going along.
Speaker 5: So this is my very brief synapsis synopsis. What I
Speaker 5: would tell you is that right now, just like we
Speaker 5: talked about last week, Joe Biden has introduced a set
Speaker 5: of border principles, told the the gop led Republican a
Speaker 5: House to get a bill to him. The Senate is
Speaker 5: agreed on set bill, then the Republican said, actually, we
Speaker 5: just want to vote on standalone aid for Israel and
Speaker 5: what have you. Meanwhile, there's still no solve for this.
Speaker 5: So yes, there a border bill needs to be done. Yes,
Speaker 5: we need a more humane immigration system. Yes, we need
Speaker 5: to ensure that the immigration system accounts for Dreamers. This
Speaker 5: bill right now doesn't even account for Dreamers.
Speaker 4: That folks.
Speaker 5: Yes, those are folks who were born here to parents
Speaker 5: who were undocumented, but they're treated like they're not citizens.
Speaker 5: We have to find our humanity in this process. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that black folks should bear the brunt of that.
Speaker 5: I'm saying that when you get mad at a migrant
Speaker 5: family trying to figure out how to make ends meet,
Speaker 5: trying to escape, as this man just said, big will
Speaker 5: on my teeth.
Speaker 4: Becausin will by the ways, yeah, as he just said,
Speaker 4: like they're escaping something.
Speaker 5: And sometimes, as you said last week, those conditions are
Speaker 5: those that we created for those neighboring countries.
Speaker 3: I just say what I said a couple of weeks
Speaker 3: ago on this, which is we keep fighting the wrong enemy.
Speaker 3: I get that people are upset when they see new
Speaker 3: communities arrive in their communities and seemingly or in practicality
Speaker 3: or reality to take jobs that might otherwise be available
Speaker 3: to them. But we've still got job shortages all across
Speaker 3: the country and jobs that Americans currently are not willing
Speaker 3: to fill. They're thus creating the need for a lot
Speaker 3: more folks to come in. But the point being, the
Speaker 3: economic policies domestically and internationally of this country, but of
Speaker 3: the world, is largely what is driving what is happening
Speaker 3: around immigration policies. If we were truly trying to solve
Speaker 3: the problem, you would go after the employers who are
Speaker 3: employing folks who are undocumented and then paying them off
Speaker 3: the role, off the script.
Speaker 1: Because they benefit from that benefit from it.
Speaker 5: And I was saying, we don't talk about that, but that's.
Speaker 3: Where that's where the line of division is. Folks, don't
Speaker 3: let us squabble amongst all of us who are just
Speaker 3: trying to live, survive, and maybe one day thrive. This
Speaker 3: is a fight between that have everything right versus folks
Speaker 3: who are just trying to make a life in a
Speaker 3: living for themselves. So much of this is misplaced, but
Speaker 3: we're allowed to do that because that's exactly how this
Speaker 3: debate is supposed to go. That's how it's gone for
Speaker 3: all of time in this country, which is you've put
Speaker 3: people who are all in need against one another while
Speaker 3: the folks who have it all are sitting there watching
Speaker 3: the drama play out.
Speaker 2: That's you've coined it perfectly. I know we're running along.
Speaker 1: I just want to get one more question, and if
Speaker 1: we can, we want to make sure you guys feel
Speaker 1: like you're part of the conversation and we'd love getting
Speaker 1: all your viewer questions, so please be sure to keep
Speaker 1: submitting your viewer questions. We will always take time on
Speaker 1: Native Lampod to answer them. But I just want to
Speaker 1: get one more question in on this if we can.
Speaker 4: Hello, Native Pod.
Speaker 12: My name is Selene. I'm a Bronx girl in Baltimore.
Speaker 12: I have a question I was wondering. I know Angela
Speaker 12: had mentioned about, you know, steps being made for a
Speaker 12: comprehensive black agenda, and I wonder what does that look
Speaker 12: like in practice. I have friends from all over the world,
Speaker 12: and I am clear that the interests of some Black
Speaker 12: Americans and the interests of some people who identify as
Speaker 12: black but come from across the diaspora. I feel like
Speaker 12: we have a different vested interest in this country. I
Speaker 12: feel like Black Americans have allowed all other immigrants to
Speaker 12: enter to start their journey in our country as human
Speaker 12: That was the price we paid, you know, in blood,
Speaker 12: sweat and tears. But I feel like some of that
Speaker 12: gets yeah, Okay, it's done. Has that sentiment.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that question, Charlene. First of all, I
Speaker 1: want to say, welcome home to your poots were in
Speaker 1: the background.
Speaker 2: He has some they too.
Speaker 1: I love that question exactly, and I'll kick that to
Speaker 1: you because this this speaks directly to our girl, Alicia Garza,
Speaker 1: who's one of the three founders of Black Lives Matter,
Speaker 1: who runs Futures Pack, who did do a comprehensive black
Speaker 1: agenda that we try to lift up as much as possible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Black Futures Lab, Black Futures.
Speaker 5: Lab, and you're calling back to the future action fun.
Speaker 2: Thank you and love you.
Speaker 4: She announced she just got a new job the public.
Speaker 4: Can we talk about this, okay?
Speaker 2: Alicia Garza is now at j m B.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, we're gonna have to figure that out. Okay.
Speaker 2: I think that she got a new job.
Speaker 3: Y'all don't know the job you just.
Speaker 2: We've been talking about, I got.
Speaker 5: I gotta.
Speaker 1: Go where she her whole focus will be on building
Speaker 1: better infrastructure and funneling funds to grassroots organizations.
Speaker 3: Thunder A thunder appreciate.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: All right, But Charlene's question, I think is a legitimate one.
Speaker 2: What do y'all have on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she's right, she said, black folks have been
Speaker 3: I don't know, she didn't use the word eager, but
Speaker 3: have welcomed communities who have immigrated into this country seamlessly
Speaker 3: and have treated them as human and humane from jomp
Speaker 3: And she's right about that. And the sacrifice in service
Speaker 3: that black folks have made to this country, she basically said,
Speaker 3: is baked into the pie. Folks are like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that happened, but it was a long time ago, and
Speaker 3: she's right to acknowledge that, Yeah it happened. But the legacy, right,
Speaker 3: it's tentacles live on today. Our willingness to hold up
Speaker 3: the country, to hold it accountable to its truth. It
Speaker 3: doesn't ever seem to disappear. What surprises you, Tiffany about
Speaker 3: comments from black folks sounding anti immigrant is that's not
Speaker 3: how we sound. That isn't who we have been, and
Speaker 3: I don't think it's who we are. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's who we are, to be truthful about it. I
Speaker 3: think it's the penetration of other people's conversations.
Speaker 2: Right, thank you, depending on who.
Speaker 3: We are and trying to reshape our character, are our
Speaker 3: morals who we are as a people.
Speaker 2: Weaponizing communities of color or.
Speaker 3: Sure, and it's to their benefit and not ours. So
Speaker 3: I'm not going down that road. But I appreciated the
Speaker 3: depth of what was in that question and I completely relate.
Speaker 5: I want to switch gears a little bit to the
Speaker 5: portion of her conversation that talks about a black agenda.
Speaker 5: There was a recent report from the Mackenzie Institute for
Speaker 5: Black Economic Mobility, the state of Black Residents, the relevance
Speaker 5: of place to racial equity and outcomes. And in this report,
Speaker 5: what I think is the most fascinating thing is that
Speaker 5: there is a solution, and that's why.
Speaker 4: I'm bringing it up around a Black agenda.
Speaker 5: There's a solution for a one point seven trillion to
Speaker 5: a two point four trillion dollar affordable housing plan over
Speaker 5: two decades that would help close a racial wealth gap,
Speaker 5: particularly around housing and access to housing. That if we
Speaker 5: do not implement this one point seven to two point
Speaker 5: four trillion dollar plan, it will take us more than
Speaker 5: three hundred and twenty years to close that gaps. And
Speaker 5: we've already been here doing that. And I think that
Speaker 5: that's the first flag. I think that if we are
Speaker 5: not very clear that it is only going to be economics,
Speaker 5: it's only going to be dollars and cents that fix
Speaker 5: the very significant problems that we have in this country.
Speaker 5: We just got to do it. So a few things
Speaker 5: from this report. They talk about an urban periphery, which
Speaker 5: is essentially the suburbs. Black outcome scores are just sixty
Speaker 5: four percent of white outcome scores, so there's still a
Speaker 5: significant gap there.
Speaker 2: But what does that mean, like in wealth specifically.
Speaker 5: Around housing, Like it's housing, it is safety, it is
Speaker 5: access to food, all of these things. They have a
Speaker 5: like a whole little table, a handy dandy chart that
Speaker 5: I make sure that y'all get to see. But it
Speaker 5: talks about everything from the standard of living, the job
Speaker 5: like well being, livelihood.
Speaker 4: In these communities. What that looks like.
Speaker 5: So sixty four percent to white folks, there's it says
Speaker 5: that less than zero point one percent of the black
Speaker 5: population lives in a county close to parody point one percent.
Speaker 5: So these numbers are astounding. There are things that we
Speaker 5: almost get heartened to them. When when we were talking
Speaker 5: about this as we planned for the podcast, one of
Speaker 5: the things that Tiff said to me that struck me
Speaker 5: but it's so true, is Okay, we're used to this, though, like,
Speaker 5: what's the what's the new data here?
Speaker 4: What's the point? Because we know we're behind.
Speaker 5: But what I like about this is they also gave
Speaker 5: a plan for what would close those gaps. And I
Speaker 5: think that there are things that the Hill needs to
Speaker 5: be considering. Mike Johnson can't do nothing else, maybe you
Speaker 5: can figure out a reparation plan for black.
Speaker 2: Republican speaker at a house. By the way, we'll see how.
Speaker 3: Hold up breath. That the truth is is that the
Speaker 3: the the agenda to solve some of the things that
Speaker 3: have always been present. We always know what they are
Speaker 3: because they're the same agenda that solves these problems for
Speaker 3: white folks, which is why they don't exist largely problem
Speaker 3: in white communities. Absolutely. And by the way, you know,
Speaker 3: a shout out to the book The Some of Us,
Speaker 3: which Heavin McGee uh wrote, But she talks about all
Speaker 3: of these ideas, whether it be a free uh education,
Speaker 3: whether it is the g I Bill of Rights. All
Speaker 3: of those initiatives as they came along were widely popular
Speaker 3: with what constituency, the overwhelming majority of white folks in
Speaker 3: the majority. Where did it change? It changed after the
Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act when those same programs would be allowed
Speaker 3: and extended to black folks as well. That is when
Speaker 3: we began to lose the majority of support in this country.
Speaker 1: It is gover green, gun rights, evergreen, but it.
Speaker 3: Is also the reason why these disparities are existing in
Speaker 3: the way that they are. If the government did nothing else,
Speaker 3: just making sure that home ownership was more accessible to
Speaker 3: more of us would be would be a great step
Speaker 3: in the right direction, because for most people who own homes,
Speaker 3: it is your one beautiful apple of security. You can
Speaker 3: borrow against it and then pay yourself back and not
Speaker 3: pay taxes on it. You can use it as leverage.
Speaker 3: Should your household run into a crisis and you need
Speaker 3: something as an emergency, you can lose that as collateral.
Speaker 3: If you're starting a business. The abilities that you get
Speaker 3: through home ownership are manifold in this society, and it
Speaker 3: shouldn't confuse any of us why it is that so
Speaker 3: many black folks don't have that same opportunity and access.
Speaker 4: Just a point of clarification, because I don't know if
Speaker 4: I said it.
Speaker 5: This report isn't just dealing with home ownership though, it's
Speaker 5: affordable housing period like even rent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even rent is talking about that disparity. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: And a lot of those protections during COVID that had
Speaker 1: a moratory on on evictions and foreclosures have since expired.
Speaker 2: So housing security in our community has gotten even.
Speaker 1: Worse as the rise of inflation, which is not specific
Speaker 1: to any political party, and crime increase, all of that.
Speaker 1: But I have questions about this because I do wonder
Speaker 1: is home ownership the only path to wealth?
Speaker 3: It is not. I was just trying to give some
Speaker 3: of the example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got it of what you get through
Speaker 2: that on.
Speaker 3: The on the rental piece. So almost every state has
Speaker 3: affordable housing trust funds, and almost every one of them
Speaker 3: don't live up to the guarantee of those affordable housing trusts.
Speaker 3: In Florida, we have it. It is baking with money
Speaker 3: that the Republican legislature borrows against to pay for its
Speaker 3: other priorities. It's flush, but they won't build a housing
Speaker 3: that the money is intended to be built. And that
Speaker 3: is a true statement for state after eight after state,
Speaker 3: it doesn't get more secure for most people.
Speaker 1: That's why you have to look at these state legislators.
Speaker 1: Who runs the state legislator and know the difference between
Speaker 1: that and the federal government, and then you'll start to
Speaker 1: see where some of these democratic policies do benefit you,
Speaker 1: but maybe your state legislature doesn't.
Speaker 5: Right now, Michael Harriet live building.
Speaker 1: We so we are literally live recording our podcast, and
Speaker 1: we were told that Michael Harriet, New York Times best
Speaker 1: selling author of Black af History was in the building
Speaker 1: recording breakfast Club, and so we were like, oh, he
Speaker 1: should come by and while we're recording our podcast, Michael Harriet,
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?
Speaker 4: What's going Welcome.
Speaker 2: Our favorite.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 13: I'm crashing like my podcast. I don't even have guests either,
Speaker 13: So roll through.
Speaker 2: This is the benefit of being in person.
Speaker 13: Welcome y'all. Just blowing up the internet right now, y'all
Speaker 13: like four episodes in and everybody like talking about this
Speaker 13: new podcast.
Speaker 3: What do we need to know? What is our community?
Speaker 3: To know we're at the top of Black History Month.
Speaker 3: What would you leave?
Speaker 2: Yeah for Black History Month, I give us a black
Speaker 2: bet Yeah.
Speaker 13: Oh that again one of my people who listen to me. No,
Speaker 13: I believe South Carolina is the capital of Black America.
Speaker 13: Everything that you know about black people and think about
Speaker 13: black people, and think about black people in America came
Speaker 13: through South Carolina first from the Montgomery Boys Bus boycott
Speaker 13: wouldn't exist without South Carolina. The laws against governing the
Speaker 13: enslaved were formatted for all of the states because of
Speaker 13: a rebellion in South Carolina. So it all everything datespected
Speaker 13: except what is it?
Speaker 3: Almost what seventy percent of us can trace.
Speaker 2: Our Yeah the largest largest Yeah.
Speaker 13: Right, Like everybody came through South Carolina. All your relatives,
Speaker 13: ancestors came through South Carolina.
Speaker 4: Wow, I knew, I knew.
Speaker 1: We could just see Michael say, give us a black
Speaker 1: history head, be like, here's a black.
Speaker 4: A F history the book. Yet I'm Michael Harriet Black
Speaker 4: a F History. The book is.
Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, It's soondents to read, like I read a
Speaker 1: little bit every day. It's so I don't want to
Speaker 1: finish it. For people, it really does like carry you
Speaker 1: through history in a different way. And the interesting thing
Speaker 1: about it, Michael, you were not Your mind was not
Speaker 1: co opted by a school system that taught you a
Speaker 1: different history. So when you hear this stuff, you're like, what,
Speaker 1: that's not true. This fantasy of America y'all think exists,
Speaker 1: that's not the real history of it.
Speaker 4: You can get it.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give away the books, so I read it,
Speaker 1: but you talk about cannibalism and how this country was founded.
Speaker 2: Read the book. That's all I'm gonna say. That is
Speaker 2: you came.
Speaker 14: Back, so you don't have to go home, but MI
Speaker 14: go Harriet, everybody, thank.
Speaker 4: You, Michael, Harriet.
Speaker 1: This next bill that we want to tell you guys about,
Speaker 1: So it's a bill out of Georgia that is run
Speaker 1: by a Republican state legislature and this new this is
Speaker 1: a new system that could potentially make it difficult for
Speaker 1: people of low income to get bail. You guys, i'm
Speaker 1: sure have heard all about the challenges around bill reform.
Speaker 1: So we want to get into that because we think
Speaker 1: that's important. But before we do, we want you to
Speaker 1: know what's actually in the bill. So take a listen
Speaker 1: to this and we will get more into it. On
Speaker 1: the other side, SB.
Speaker 15: Sixty three was a harmful bill that was going to,
Speaker 15: as you said, include at least thirty offenses where judges
Speaker 15: would be required to set bail, and then at the
Speaker 15: last minute it included severe restrictions on charitable bail payments.
Speaker 15: It tops charitable bail payments at three per year for individuals, corporations, nonprofits, churches,
Speaker 15: as well as charitable bail organizations like US and so
Speaker 15: at a time when the justice system is overburdened jails
Speaker 15: are overcrowded, to not only ensure that more people will
Speaker 15: be subjected to bail and likely unaffordable cash bail, to
Speaker 15: also take away the lifeline that charitable bail funds and
Speaker 15: other charitable bail payments offer to lowcome individuals is particularly
Speaker 15: concerning for Georgians across the state. As I said before,
Speaker 15: there's a two tiered system of justice in any cash
Speaker 15: bail system, and that's a system where people with money
Speaker 15: can be released and people without money can't. And so
Speaker 15: it has nothing to do with public safety ultimately. Right
Speaker 15: if you and I are arrested and charged with the
Speaker 15: same crime, but I have the money in my bank
Speaker 15: account to get out and you don't. That's what's going
Speaker 15: to determine pre trial liberty, not.
Speaker 4: Whether or not you or I pose a risk to
Speaker 4: the public.
Speaker 1: All right, So this bail bill, I have to say discipline.
Speaker 1: I want to frame this for our viewers and our listeners.
Speaker 1: Eighty percent of people in jail right now have not
Speaker 1: been convicted of a crime. Yes, unbelievable, unbelievable. More than
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of crime is not violent. And for
Speaker 1: the number of incarcerated people for pre trial cash bill
Speaker 1: has increased four hundred and thirty three percent from nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy nineteen seventy to twenty fifteen. And that Khalif Browder,
Speaker 1: who we all sadly tragically know, took his life after
Speaker 1: this child, this teenager was put in rikers with adult prisoners,
Speaker 1: and he talked about his harrowing journey there, not knowing
Speaker 1: when violence was going to attack. When they see us
Speaker 1: Ava du Verney's brilliant piece of work that was on Netflix.
Speaker 1: We have to do something because this disproportionately impacts the
Speaker 1: black community.
Speaker 2: Everybody but the black community.
Speaker 4: And this is the thing. They did do something.
Speaker 5: Atlanta in twenty eighteen ban cash bill requirements and Georgia
Speaker 5: is basically saying, like we know that this was a
Speaker 5: bipartisan solution under Governor Nathan Dial, we see some of
Speaker 5: the progress, We're gonna reject all of that and go
Speaker 5: backwards just to penalize the entities like Color of Change,
Speaker 5: for example, our good our good brother Rashad Robinson runs
Speaker 5: Color of Change, and they've engaged in programs to help
Speaker 5: get people out for holidays, for Mother's Day, for Father's Day.
Speaker 5: This bill is now on its way to Brian Kemp's desk,
Speaker 5: and I want to challenge him. There are members of
Speaker 5: our community you've said that he's a good guy. I
Speaker 5: haven't seen it on voter suppression. I want to see
Speaker 5: what he does as it relates to to Bell reform.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that that has been the talking point.
Speaker 5: So all you brothers and sisters and family members.
Speaker 2: Are you brothers who has ab a good guy?
Speaker 5: Brothers and sisters and siblings who say that you know
Speaker 5: this is someone who is a decent man.
Speaker 4: I want to see if he's decent when it comes
Speaker 4: to ball reform.
Speaker 3: Part of this is it doesn't make sense other I mean,
Speaker 3: the reason why put it back into its proper category
Speaker 3: which is economic. Let's not forget right where where the
Speaker 3: bottom line is. Always follow the money, who gets advanced
Speaker 3: by this economically, who gets depressed hurt by it economically?
Speaker 3: And I think we'll find, you know where the interest
Speaker 3: in this whole thing lie. But but for the taxpayer,
Speaker 3: if we're just talking to the person who has to
Speaker 3: pay for this system, it doesn't make sense for us
Speaker 3: to have to pay to incarcerate, for taxpayers to have
Speaker 3: to pay to incarcerate people who are nonviolent, who are
Speaker 3: there on nonviolent offenses waiting for a court date or
Speaker 3: a trial to be set. Thank god, in my case
Speaker 3: when I had an indictment, I didn't have to serve
Speaker 3: any you know, to go directly out and there was
Speaker 3: no bail set and my situation, because there was, it
Speaker 3: was a non violent accusation, thankfully proven not true.
Speaker 1: Well, can I just say really quickly right there, please
Speaker 1: stick around to the end of the podcast because you
Speaker 1: were going to get talk about that. Yeah, I'll the
Speaker 1: trial and what what he goes to it is a
Speaker 1: I mean, this testimony Andrew was amazing.
Speaker 3: So what with us, and I hope fewer to nobody
Speaker 3: else has to experience those kinds of things. But in
Speaker 3: this situation, you've got people there who as who are
Speaker 3: as innocent as I am, as you are, as any
Speaker 3: of the three of us or any of our listeners
Speaker 3: may be, who are sitting inside four walls experiencing all
Speaker 3: the consequences that come from that. And eventually we may
Speaker 3: determine whether or not they deserve to be there. But
Speaker 3: nobody's gonna pay them recompense they don't get, you know,
Speaker 3: no one's gonna pay their attorneys bills. They get nothing.
Speaker 3: Lots of devastated and the taxpayer has been on the
Speaker 3: hook for it. We've been paying out a pocket for it.
Speaker 3: And it just public policy wise, economically for us the taxpayers,
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: It's just as egregious as you can't get people water
Speaker 5: at the polls. There's a thing with Georgia, I said,
Speaker 5: this is as egregious this is. You all are trying
Speaker 5: to peek lize folks who are trying to stand in
Speaker 5: the gap for the least of these.
Speaker 4: Again, this is a battle of the haves and the
Speaker 4: have nots.
Speaker 5: You gotta choose your side, and black folks, I would
Speaker 5: challenge you, you don't have the ability to stand on
Speaker 5: the side of the halves because everybody else in your
Speaker 5: families that have none.
Speaker 4: Right, how about that?
Speaker 2: That is such a good point.
Speaker 1: Like when we even as an individual in the family,
Speaker 1: when you make it, you don't make it with a
Speaker 1: trust fund. You make it with a payroll because you
Speaker 1: got to reach back. Because you know, little Jeff, Jeff
Speaker 1: want to go to proms, so he ain't got money
Speaker 1: for a rental car.
Speaker 2: Let's ask cousin tiv Let's ask cousin Angela. Let's ask
Speaker 2: uncle Andrew.
Speaker 5: You know, so we are all in the forty five
Speaker 5: percent tax bracket. We give our check to the government
Speaker 5: and middle aged I would like to have a reparations
Speaker 5: text speaking of black I.
Speaker 1: Agree with that. Can I guess say really quickly before
Speaker 1: we get off this topic. I'm so happy that you
Speaker 1: brought up the point about people calling Governor Brian Kemp
Speaker 1: a good guy. Please look into this man's background. He
Speaker 1: is the face of voter suppression. And so when you
Speaker 1: lend your platform rappers, I'm not even gonna name no names.
Speaker 1: When you lend your platform to these people and stand
Speaker 1: on a stage with them, you essentially are endorsing what
Speaker 1: they're doing that might not be your owen, but they
Speaker 1: will use your likeness, your image, and they will say,
Speaker 1: look at it, I got this one about this one
Speaker 1: standing with me. And if you're showing up and not
Speaker 1: challenging them on like these kind of policies, it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. Bell reform is an issue all across the country.
Speaker 1: I because we were talking about bear reforming, you shout
Speaker 1: out a rapper. I'm not going to go without naming
Speaker 1: killing Mike who is but he's a brother to me.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say something that you might not like him.
Speaker 5: To have this the win that he had this week
Speaker 5: at the Grammys, congrats to sweep in his categories and
Speaker 5: to be arrested yes agree or an assault that did
Speaker 5: not occur. I think that he can now stand right
Speaker 5: in the center of this as an advocate for what
Speaker 5: we're talking about, based on the policy recommendations that he
Speaker 5: has himself, based on how much he stands ten toes
Speaker 5: down for our community. I know that we'll be able
Speaker 5: to count on Mike to tell Governor Kemp to do
Speaker 5: the right thing. And I and I also just want
Speaker 5: to acknowledge his son was on the list forgetting I
Speaker 5: believe a kidney transplant and they were able to go
Speaker 5: for with that, so best to.
Speaker 3: And we can.
Speaker 5: We can politically disagree with these people, but I don't
Speaker 5: think he disagrees on this, Oh no, But I just
Speaker 5: mean with him.
Speaker 1: I've had political disagree with him, our sister Joy we
Speaker 1: did the show with him before we had disagreements.
Speaker 2: But my point is he's still our brother. I don't
Speaker 2: know he's still brother.
Speaker 1: We can disagree as family loves out in the world
Speaker 1: we are united, but when we have family talk welcome home, y'all,
Speaker 1: we might disagree. So definitely, congrats on the Grammys. Definitely
Speaker 1: completely disrespected at the Grammys, being arrested for an assault
Speaker 1: right after he won those things.
Speaker 5: But I do think I hope that that reminds him,
Speaker 5: not that he needed that reminder because of his friends,
Speaker 5: friends in his community to challenge Governor Kimny.
Speaker 4: He has him on speed out.
Speaker 3: Not just all of us have an experience that is
Speaker 3: extremely true in our community, which is we can be
Speaker 3: a ten yeah off of our merit and what we've
Speaker 3: earned and the hard work we put in. And when
Speaker 3: they decide to come for you, yea, they decide, not
Speaker 3: you decide to aggress, they come for you. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: they mean to take you out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad to see.
Speaker 1: So just pay attention to these policies, guys. You know,
Speaker 1: of course, you know the First Step Act, the federal
Speaker 1: policy that tried to check a very punishing criminal justice
Speaker 1: system for our community. It's called the First Step Act
Speaker 1: because there needs to be a second Act and a
Speaker 1: third Act and the fourth Act. So we'll definitely be
Speaker 1: talking about that. I know, police brutality is something that's
Speaker 1: really close to all of us, but Angela, you've been
Speaker 1: wanting to talk about that for a while, So next
Speaker 1: week I think we should probably get into that.
Speaker 2: That would be a good conversation.
Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a really quick commercial break,
Speaker 1: but come back with us because on the other side
Speaker 1: of this break, we're going to talk about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this teasing question. Did you guys
Speaker 1: know that Travis Kelsey invented the fade? Yeah, exactly, I've
Speaker 1: been rock exactly. All right, y'all, don't go anywhere. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this break. All right, Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 1: If you follow me for a while, you know I
Speaker 1: am an expert when it comes to all things Sports,
Speaker 1: And so we are going to talk about the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Now, I know the.
Speaker 1: Audience knows who's playing in the Super Bowl. But for
Speaker 1: those people who embarrassingly have no idea who are the.
Speaker 2: Teams playing in the Super Bowl? Tell us, well, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hog the bikes show.
Speaker 4: I want to be that Micael.
Speaker 5: That would be the Kansas City Chiefs and the San
Speaker 5: Francisco forty nine ers and just some people who don't know, embarrassingly,
Speaker 5: which team does Travis Kelcey play for?
Speaker 4: Damn you don't know that.
Speaker 2: She wants you to chance, right, I'm trying to give you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you guess. You got a fifty to
Speaker 4: fifty shot.
Speaker 2: I will say he doesn't play for Kansas City because.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well who does Mahomes play for Kansas City?
Speaker 2: So Travis Kelcey and Mahomes are the same.
Speaker 5: You know how many people, well our residents sports expert
Speaker 5: is checked out for the day.
Speaker 2: Ladies and did not know they were on the same team.
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's who we do know is on the team.
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift. Let me talk about that.
Speaker 5: Yes, so Travis Invade and Taylor Taylor.
Speaker 3: Brother.
Speaker 4: Yes he is he didn't.
Speaker 5: It's so nice of you to use brothers did faith.
Speaker 5: Let's rote that Travis Chelsea sound where he defends himself
Speaker 5: to tips slander slanderss.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 16: And to do it, and to do it on February first,
Speaker 16: to throw me to the walls like that, that was
Speaker 16: messed up.
Speaker 3: Man. I don't want anything to do with that one.
Speaker 12: Man.
Speaker 9: I got a good fade if you need it, though.
Speaker 3: It's a two on top of a nice hide.
Speaker 16: The men fame the taper in the back, but I
Speaker 16: didn't invent that, I just asked for it.
Speaker 3: I love his awareness.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that, that awareness from from brother right. No,
Speaker 5: he's in the back national from the black women. He
Speaker 5: kicked the way you met Taylor.
Speaker 4: Awareness.
Speaker 3: But the number two, the number two, The number two is.
Speaker 2: I do, But why don't you tell them.
Speaker 4: You can get waves waves?
Speaker 3: He's the number two. So it's not totally off the head,
Speaker 3: but it ain't totally on it either.
Speaker 5: All I know is he said, y'all did not try
Speaker 5: to drag me this here. Black History shout out to him,
Speaker 5: very clear about this. But yeah, I think what's so
Speaker 5: fascinating about Travis Kelsey is I ain't paying no attention
Speaker 5: to him before this Taylor Swift stuff came out, and.
Speaker 4: Now I'm not the only one paying attention.
Speaker 5: They're talking about how the ratings have significantly increased with
Speaker 5: demos who are our Taylor Swift fans. And also Kansas
Speaker 5: City had higher viewership ratings of the Grammys. So yeah,
Speaker 5: there's actually some there's some reciproiity.
Speaker 3: Theah okay, My.
Speaker 1: Beef with all of this is because the media has
Speaker 1: taken this and said Travis Kelsey. Everybody talking about Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey's haircut, as though black folks wasn't rocking his haircut
Speaker 1: in the eighties.
Speaker 4: They said, can we have the Travis Kelsey?
Speaker 5: Even before that, but that's when I remember the phase,
Speaker 5: and then the swags are when they were like, oh,
Speaker 5: let's talk about this Taylor Swift swag surf dance, trying
Speaker 5: to get us at Swags.
Speaker 4: I loved you.
Speaker 3: I just have to say, it's a worse indictment of
Speaker 3: the people asking the question.
Speaker 4: That he speaking.
Speaker 1: Can we yes, can we talk about this the other
Speaker 1: thing on the media. So Jim Trotter shout out to you.
Speaker 1: He has always held the line and listen when you
Speaker 1: are the only we know. It can be challenging the
Speaker 1: whole the line, so shout out to people who hold
Speaker 1: the line anyway. Jim Trotter held the line a few
Speaker 1: years ago in the press conference with Rogers.
Speaker 4: Last year, answered asking it everything I think it was?
Speaker 6: Was it?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I thought he got okay, maybe dismissed.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Jim.
Speaker 1: Trotter, shout out to you. But I do also want
Speaker 1: to shout out that he set a legacy because this
Speaker 1: year Darren Smith, our host of a radio show at
Speaker 1: k l KC radio station, in Trotter's absence, pose this question.
Speaker 2: Take a listen.
Speaker 16: So look, I know I'm out of Kansas City. I've
Speaker 16: had dreams of maybe you're working for the NFL network
Speaker 16: one day. But I'm sorry, but I said, I'm out
Speaker 16: of Kansas City. So I've had dreams that work for
Speaker 16: the NFL network one day. But be that as it may.
Speaker 16: I know that you don't run the NFL media newsroom,
Speaker 16: but you do run the NFL, and they answer to
Speaker 16: you along with the ticket two owners. After this press conference,
Speaker 16: the NFL Media newsroom still employees zero black managers, zero
Speaker 16: black copy editors, zero full time black employees. On the
Speaker 16: news desk, and you're only full time black employee. Larry
Speaker 16: Campbell passed away over the weekend. Now, mister Trotter, Jim
Speaker 16: Trotter is not here, you know, for whatever reason, over
Speaker 16: the last years, have asked you why that is the
Speaker 16: case and for leave that have with the sixty percent
Speaker 16: African Americans have played to play the game. And I
Speaker 16: know that you're a man of conscious. How does knowing
Speaker 16: this sit well with you? You know? And after two years
Speaker 16: of being asked this question, why has it not been
Speaker 16: any change or any highers in that area?
Speaker 6: Well, I disagree completely, there hasn't been any change. I'm
Speaker 6: happy to get your data and share it with our
Speaker 6: people and make sure that we get an answer for you.
Speaker 6: I don't have all the data. I will tell you
Speaker 6: that the first time ever, fifty one percent of our
Speaker 6: employees across the league, across the network, across all of
Speaker 6: our media platforms, not including players, are either people of
Speaker 6: color or women, first time ever. So progress is being made,
Speaker 6: and there are areas where we still need to work
Speaker 6: and we need still need to improve, whether it's offensive
Speaker 6: assistance or maybe people in our media news group. We
Speaker 6: will continue to do that and make it significant progress
Speaker 6: as we have.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Darren's men, my brother, we salute you
Speaker 1: the way he asked, I know if you're a man
Speaker 1: of conscious. Jim Trotter isn't here for whatever reason. We
Speaker 1: heard everything he said.
Speaker 2: And everything he didn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so shout out to him. But that is my
Speaker 1: biggest issue, and honestly, I'm sorry. Roger Goodell's answer was
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit to me. I I wish that he
Speaker 1: would have acknowledged. Listen, I know we do a horrible
Speaker 1: job at this and I'm fighting every day. He's beholden
Speaker 1: to these billionaire owners, a lot of whom you know,
Speaker 1: donate to Republican causes and campaigns. So I have my
Speaker 1: opinions about that. But it leads me to this question
Speaker 1: to you guys, should we be watching the NFL.
Speaker 4: I'm definitely gonna watch the super Bowl.
Speaker 2: It was hard because I'm a big NFL fan, as
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: I can tell I thinking Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 5: play for for a different team. But but I know
Speaker 5: you probably will watch. I'm a watch usher, But I
Speaker 5: think I think that this is the point. Roger Goodell
Speaker 5: doesn't sound any different than most fortune one thousand CEOs.
Speaker 5: He doesn't sound any different than most medium sized businesses.
Speaker 5: He doesn't sound any different from folks who are cabinet secretaries.
Speaker 5: And this Biden administration certainly doesn't sound any different from
Speaker 5: Trump administration officials.
Speaker 4: Why am I saying that this.
Speaker 5: Isn't the We can't put all of white supremacy at
Speaker 5: the foot feet of Roger Goodell, but we can certainly
Speaker 5: put some of it. They have made some changes, but
Speaker 5: what they do Andrew and you said, this is the
Speaker 5: conflation of black and women or black Asian, you know,
Speaker 5: Latino and women, Black Native American, Latino and Asian and women.
Speaker 5: And there's always like if we can put everybody in
Speaker 5: this same bucket, just like they did with the Permative
Speaker 5: Action policy, then somehow it'll look better. But you're denying
Speaker 5: the fact that white women are most often married to
Speaker 5: white men. So that means the very white supermacist culture
Speaker 5: that we're supposed to be trying to get rid of
Speaker 5: is continuing to benefit, even from the programs that are
Speaker 5: there to help us. So yes, there do need to
Speaker 5: be real answers here, and know this was not a
Speaker 5: good one, and he should have been prepared because He's
Speaker 5: been asked this for several years.
Speaker 3: I also want to say, in the area of press media,
Speaker 3: who is talking, who is speaking for you, speaking for
Speaker 3: your players and movement, It matters to have diverse press
Speaker 3: and communications rooms. Different people hear things differently and experience
Speaker 3: life differently. One of my biggest frustrations when I ran
Speaker 3: for governor was that the entirety of the press corps
Speaker 3: political press corps in our state was white and white
Speaker 3: male majority. Right, So, if you're talking about my race,
Speaker 3: my lived experience, what kind of policies we've accomplished that
Speaker 3: make me ready for this office, and you're not willing
Speaker 3: to get into the weeds and what my record was
Speaker 3: or the experiences that I come from. You can't dare
Speaker 3: translate who I am to your reading public. You can't
Speaker 3: do it. You can try, but you're going to miss
Speaker 3: the mark almost every time. So his question was really specific.
Speaker 3: Didn't answer the specificity of that question. He answered writ large,
Speaker 3: and in answering writ large, you do what Angela has
Speaker 3: already talked about, which as you pull in every number
Speaker 3: that can potentially make you look better. Now let's delve deeper.
Speaker 3: He says, sixty percent of your players are black.
Speaker 4: I think it's close to seventy.
Speaker 3: Well, he said, I'm just going from what the.
Speaker 2: Question, But I do you think the data is what?
Speaker 3: As I look that it may be so simply represent
Speaker 3: us at the rate that we represent you.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: That's it. That's it, full stop.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay in all these industries, yes, start first, you're
Speaker 5: watching the NFL.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm watching halftime.
Speaker 2: Because do y'all want to say, real quickly, what's what
Speaker 2: y'all want to hear us?
Speaker 3: You perform so everything?
Speaker 4: My favorite ib A group baby.
Speaker 1: Well he actually references our our group chat in one
Speaker 1: of his songs, what do you say? He says, I
Speaker 1: keep a dollar worth of dimes.
Speaker 13: Shout out.
Speaker 3: A couple of on that one around here? You get
Speaker 3: a dime?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 5: I am what I've ignored, Andrew Rude.
Speaker 2: I love, I love hearing from the viewers.
Speaker 1: So I if we have time, I know we got
Speaker 1: a lot of your questions in off the top, but
Speaker 1: how do we feel about taking a few more of
Speaker 1: your questions?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, good, good, good? All right?
Speaker 2: Who we got?
Speaker 17: What was good? Native Lampard, I'm Larry and I'm from Dallas.
Speaker 17: But I did want to know whether or not you
Speaker 17: guys are going to talk about inside of trading. I mean,
Speaker 17: tens of millions of dollars have been made obviously with
Speaker 17: public knowledge. You know, lawmakers outperform the stock market fifteen
Speaker 17: percent a year on average. Maybe somebody wanted to bring
Speaker 17: that up.
Speaker 1: Thank you Larry for that question. We love, We love
Speaker 1: your love, brother, Thank you for weighing in. I want
Speaker 1: to kick this to Angelo because you just for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, if you haven't followed Angela's career, she's
Speaker 1: not just a beauty, but she was the executive director
Speaker 1: of the Congressional Black Caucus for some years, but also
Speaker 1: worked in a few offices before you had that position.
Speaker 2: So what say you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just take this from the political standpoint first,
Speaker 5: It is definitely illegal for any member of Congress, any
Speaker 5: elected official, to engage in insider trading, as it is
Speaker 5: for everyone. But there are also ethics rules that require
Speaker 5: you to disclose stocks where you have investments, etc.
Speaker 4: I believe in a couple of years back, there was yeah.
Speaker 5: In New York Times, they had a report on the
Speaker 5: ninety seven members of Congress who reported trading in committees
Speaker 5: where these particular companies were a part of their jurisdiction.
Speaker 5: So I think it still is problematic. If I'm being
Speaker 5: honest with Larry, I would say on a scale of
Speaker 5: one to ten, this issue of importance to me is
Speaker 5: about a point zero zero zero three, just because I have.
Speaker 4: Other things that I'm concerned about right now.
Speaker 5: But I do want to flag that it is an
Speaker 5: issue that politicians have to be aware of and have
Speaker 5: to disclose on their ethics reports every year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we should just know more about financial news too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of black folks got took on that cryptocurrency
Speaker 1: market and know that it's changed, so we should this podcast,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll talk more about that. Said, make it, make
Speaker 1: it a seven, make it well, do something for us
Speaker 1: to discuss, because I don't know anything about it. So
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you were here to answer the question.
Speaker 1: All right, I think we have time for one more.
Speaker 1: That was a quick answer, so Nick, give us another question.
Speaker 8: Hi, a Native Land podcast. My name is Chris Jones.
Speaker 8: I have a question pertaining to the black vote. We
Speaker 8: have many large cities with a large black population, such
Speaker 8: as Houston, Texas, Memphis, Tennessee, and Miami that are in
Speaker 8: very conservative states. And my question is, why don't we
Speaker 8: get our politicians to change to the popular vote, especially
Speaker 8: in the presidential election instead of the electoral college. And
Speaker 8: if we did that, I feel like our black vote
Speaker 8: would actually count more.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, Well, I just want to make
Speaker 1: a quick I'm gonna kick to see you, Andrew. But
Speaker 1: I don't like to term the black vote because we're
Speaker 1: not a homogeneous voting block, and we have to consider
Speaker 1: that we are not always talking about federal policy, and
Speaker 1: when you get to some of those ballot initiatives and
Speaker 1: state and local politics, our votes can fracture. We don't
Speaker 1: always feel the same way. So I think he's askeding
Speaker 1: about black voters. What are you saying?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sometimes those can be converged that our black
Speaker 3: interest in our black votes or to go along the way.
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for the question, but in truth,
Speaker 3: it will require constitutional amendment to change the way in
Speaker 3: which our president is elected. It is not popular vote
Speaker 3: in forms the electoral college. The electoral college is then
Speaker 3: supposed to represent the interests of the popular vote. However,
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and what led to twenty the revolt by
Speaker 3: he and his followers was in contradiction of how the
Speaker 3: electoral college was supposed to initially initially initially work. All
Speaker 3: that to say, it's going to be pretty hard to
Speaker 3: change the constitution. So I have another suggestion, which is
Speaker 3: we can do another great migration. You all recall the
Speaker 3: Great Migration. My good friend doctor Kinnisher Grant wrote a
Speaker 3: great book about the Great Migration. But when we fanned
Speaker 3: out from the South and made our way further north
Speaker 3: and further west, we lost a lot of density in
Speaker 3: southern states, where a lot of the overrepresentation of the
Speaker 3: electoral College towards the Republicans still exists. In fact, it thrives.
Speaker 3: So if y'all could come on home, welcome home. I'm
Speaker 3: still in the South. Yeah, y'all want to come back
Speaker 3: and join us, then there's a way in which to
Speaker 3: impact the electoral college more holy and see whether or not.
Speaker 3: If then Republicans or the majority get an appetite to
Speaker 3: change the electoral.
Speaker 4: College, we'll be back to accounting. And and the bars
Speaker 4: is so funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well there, Well Florida, I mean, they essentially
Speaker 1: tried to reinstitute a poll attacks after amendment for a
Speaker 1: past Grant was formally incarcerated people to write to vote
Speaker 1: wells still still exists.
Speaker 3: That's right. So anyway, reverse migration. That's my solution.
Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point for a lot of
Speaker 2: state convention.
Speaker 1: Imagine if all of us moved to Jackson, Mississippi, the
Speaker 1: Republican governor, their tate reeves would have some challenges there.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't exist, they would he wouldn't be were Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true.
Speaker 18: A lot of the Alabama, Georgia, parts of Florida to
Speaker 18: receive Yeah, uh uh, I mean you name it all
Speaker 18: across the South where black folks have significant numbers.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately they're not at parody. We're certainly not the majority,
Speaker 3: and we don't show up that way electorally. Unfortunately.
Speaker 1: I love his question because I think the last four
Speaker 1: or five elections haven't been decided by the popular vote,
Speaker 1: but the electoral.
Speaker 3: College, and separate to the popular vote.
Speaker 5: If there were democratic governors, there also wouldn't be these
Speaker 5: migrant crises in the cities in the in the North
Speaker 5: Earth either.
Speaker 1: Ye, just saying to because we wouldn't be shipping She's
Speaker 1: saying that because Governor Abbott and Sanda has been shippings
Speaker 1: off to what they call liberal cities.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, except, just to make the point clear, Florida didn't
Speaker 3: actually get it to migrants from Florida. He went to Texas, recruited, Yeah,
Speaker 3: migrants in Texas, put them on a plane, pay for
Speaker 3: the plane, sent them to Martha's vineyard, political stunt with people.
Speaker 4: So then nobody say, how come they put me on
Speaker 4: a free plane?
Speaker 3: Right, nobody, you didn't take people from Florida.
Speaker 1: All right, let's take a really quick break because I
Speaker 1: want you all to stick around on the other side
Speaker 1: of this. Andrew, we are going to hear the rest
Speaker 1: of your testimony.
Speaker 2: This is pre tape.
Speaker 1: This is what Andrew shared last week, but because it
Speaker 1: was so dense, we we want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you hear his entire testimony. So don't go anywhere after.
Speaker 1: Right after this break, Andrew will talk about what happened
Speaker 1: after Miami. His next harrowing challenged the trial.
Speaker 3: I get a call and I'm at my home office
Speaker 3: and the very week after this Sunday of Father's Day
Speaker 3: where I try to be the model of a father
Speaker 3: you can imagine in this period of time, and the
Speaker 3: call comes through and it says, this is agent you
Speaker 3: know such and such and I calling on behalf of
Speaker 3: the FBI, or of government, federal government, and I need
Speaker 3: to get with you because we got a what is
Speaker 3: it called, a sealed grand jury indictment of you on
Speaker 3: however man accounts, he says, and I'm not remembering all
Speaker 3: this at the time, and we need to. We need to.
Speaker 3: We just know where you are so you can surrender yourself.
Speaker 3: And I'm in my house and I'm standing up because
Speaker 3: my heart rate is gone up when I hear him
Speaker 3: introduce himself, and so I'm pacing. And when he says,
Speaker 3: I have this indictment and we need to I had
Speaker 3: never experienced a breathless moment that I can recall, and
Speaker 3: I remember not having oxygen, but because he was doing
Speaker 3: the talk and I wasn't worried about him hearing me
Speaker 3: lose my breath because I was determined that he wasn't
Speaker 3: going to see me weak. So he says what he says,
Speaker 3: and I say, okay, let me get in touch with
Speaker 3: my attorney. But I'm at my house. My address. I
Speaker 3: can give it to you if you let me know
Speaker 3: when you're ready to write it down. I can surrender
Speaker 3: myself right now. I just need to make sure everyone's
Speaker 3: gonna be able to pick up my kids today, because
Speaker 3: the kids and I need to call my mom so
Speaker 3: she would be help arch it because she's gonna be
Speaker 3: overwhelmed to what I call to tell her this. But
Speaker 3: with every strength that I have, I say, Okay, we'll
Speaker 3: get it. And then he says, well, you don't need
Speaker 3: to come come in. We just need to negotiate a
Speaker 3: time and when you can do it. And da da
Speaker 3: da dah. Because I've never had this happen before. I think,
Speaker 3: if you get a thing and they say you gotta go,
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I'll put on some comfortable clothes and
Speaker 3: i'll get down to the I don't know, jail house
Speaker 3: or wherever. And he says, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: call your lawyer. He'll get in touch with us, and
Speaker 3: so on and so forth. So he was so jubi
Speaker 3: late to deliver that news to me, and I guess
Speaker 3: I confused it when I said, Okay, I'll come right
Speaker 3: in as soon as I can get just want to
Speaker 3: pick my kids up and I can I can get
Speaker 3: somebody here to be here for my wife. And I
Speaker 3: hang up and I make a call to my lawyer.
Speaker 3: They start doing whatever they do on their side, and
Speaker 3: then I make the call to r J and I
Speaker 3: say to Jay, first, Jay, try to stay calm. But
Speaker 3: I just got a call from I think the FBI
Speaker 3: or somebody saying that I have to surrender myself for
Speaker 3: arrest for a federal crime, a grand jury, a sealed
Speaker 3: grand jury indictment. And she says, what you know, and
Speaker 3: you can imagine on the other end with what that
Speaker 3: what that's like. And she immediately comes undone, which was
Speaker 3: my worry. And I don't want her driving across town,
Speaker 3: racing here to the house because her safety, her life,
Speaker 3: was most important to me at the time. And she
Speaker 3: makes her way home and we all this stuff begins
Speaker 3: to unfold, and I'm really not at this point letting
Speaker 3: any of it penetrate, except there are things that must
Speaker 3: be put in place if I'm going to be away.
Speaker 3: This needs to say. I start writing on all my accounts.
Speaker 3: I start this is saying where money and retirement? And oh,
Speaker 3: I thought, such as I said, this document, but I
Speaker 3: want to make sure you have everything you need in case.
Speaker 3: And they said, so we've arranged you're going to surrender
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning. I don't know eight o'clock nine o'clock, and
Speaker 3: you'll go first to the FBI offices, surrender to them.
Speaker 3: They'll take you into custody, take you to the courthouse
Speaker 3: in their car, and at the courthouse they will surrender
Speaker 3: you to the US Marshals or the court or something
Speaker 3: some transition and pass off. Then you'll see the judge.
Speaker 3: The judge will likely release you on your own recount.
Speaker 3: There's not a violent crime, but blue collar all this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So they're going through it, but just
Speaker 3: be prepared. They may purp walk you. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: what is that? And they described for me that's when
Speaker 3: the cameras are already assembled and they've got you booked
Speaker 3: and they walk you through them. And I just lose
Speaker 3: it on that because I'm saying, well, why do we
Speaker 3: have to do that is they're not a private way in.
Speaker 3: Why do we have to, you know, do this walk thing.
Speaker 3: And they said, well, this is how they beat their
Speaker 3: chest and show off about what, you know, what they've done,
Speaker 3: and get to have the images that they want. And
Speaker 3: I am just you know, devastated by this. And at
Speaker 3: this point I said, I need to I need to
Speaker 3: tell my fami. I've ether tell the people who I
Speaker 3: know to be ready for what this is going to
Speaker 3: look like. And it was actually Angela who pulled together
Speaker 3: a call and hers was going to be of journalists
Speaker 3: because her thought was, you tell people news when you
Speaker 3: know it is imminent and it's coming, rather than waiting
Speaker 3: for it. And Tiffany, you were on that call. I
Speaker 3: remember you. I remember your voice very clearly in my
Speaker 3: ear even now as I think about it, because you
Speaker 3: were like the injustice. The next morning, I have that evening.
Speaker 3: I say to my wife r Jay, and I say
Speaker 3: to my mom who is now here, and some other
Speaker 3: relatives who have gathered that when I surrender myself, that
Speaker 3: I don't want them to be there, that I was
Speaker 3: telling them that tomorrow you cannot come, and everything was
Speaker 3: gonna be fine. The lawyers told me they'll let me
Speaker 3: out and I'll be home before the kids get out
Speaker 3: of school probably, and I said, I'm gonna go by myself.
Speaker 3: I'll have Sam drop me off. I'll take it from there.
Speaker 3: When it's all done. Sam's gonna bring me back, you know,
Speaker 3: bring me back home, and then we'll decide what to
Speaker 3: say to the kids. And they, of course are like, no,
Speaker 3: we have to be with you, but they honored my request.
Speaker 3: And then my pastor speaks up and he says, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going with you too. And then my friend, who's
Speaker 3: a school board member but a very close friend, Daryl Jones, says,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to I'm Yama bear where both of
Speaker 3: them We're gonna be with you. So the next morning
Speaker 3: they show up at my house and my attorney, one
Speaker 3: of the attorneys from Miami, is here, and the pastors here,
Speaker 3: and we all pray together at the house. And I
Speaker 3: am trying to be as stoic as I can be,
Speaker 3: because I want to leave my family with the knowledge
Speaker 3: that I was fine, that we're gonna beat them, and
Speaker 3: that God has prepared me for this fight. I know it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat them. I get in the car, the
Speaker 3: pastor and I talking and whatnot, and and I'm noticing,
Speaker 3: you know, I live, you know, probably thirty minutes from
Speaker 3: that where their headquarters were. And we drove in that
Speaker 3: morning talking and he was trying to cite Scripture in
Speaker 3: verse and I was hearing him, but I was playing along.
Speaker 3: I was not present. I was like, don't cry, keep
Speaker 3: your face together. You are not going to show weakness.
Speaker 3: To anybody not today. And we get to their offices.
Speaker 3: My pastor with me, Darryl comes in with me to
Speaker 3: the FBA offices. I surrender myself into them. They take
Speaker 3: some things off of me, and I can't remember. I
Speaker 3: think it's my license and some other stuff, and I
Speaker 3: can't have anything on my person. No phones know this.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a suit, but I've got to take the
Speaker 3: belt off and all this other stuff. And so I
Speaker 3: get right they take me into custody, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: this is where I leave Pastor and Darryl. They've brought
Speaker 3: me to where I have to whatever. And they said,
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna follow you and we're gonna see
Speaker 3: you at the courthouse. And I said okay, And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, I don't know if they're gonna be
Speaker 3: allowed to I don't know what that looks like. They
Speaker 3: got me to the courthouse. The thing that I had
Speaker 3: girded myself up to prepare for was this perk walk.
Speaker 3: But some people from that call the night before knew
Speaker 3: that that was a big concern of mine, and somehow,
Speaker 3: in God's grace and good movement, I was able to
Speaker 3: be surrendered underground and go up and so on and
Speaker 3: so forth, which I counted as a really big blessing
Speaker 3: because I didn't want my parents there and my family there,
Speaker 3: because I didn't want them to see me every I
Speaker 3: didn't want to see me in handcuffs and then to
Speaker 3: have to be surrendered in that, and I know that
Speaker 3: there will be pictures. I didn't want my kids to
Speaker 3: see a picture. I didn't want them to see a
Speaker 3: picture of me like that. And so I knew in
Speaker 3: the federal court, I knew enough from them prepping me
Speaker 3: for the press that they couldn't have cameras in the courtroom.
Speaker 3: They could have some images that they draw, but there
Speaker 3: were no there was no technology. So I felt like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'd be safe once I'm in. Well, there's a holding
Speaker 3: celle that I go in for several hours and then
Speaker 3: they come in to get me, and this time they
Speaker 3: are they are the marshals are are are cuffing me different.
Speaker 3: Now they have put cuffs around my legs and then
Speaker 3: there's a big chain that goes up to my waist.
Speaker 3: That is a big chain and it's cuffed, and then
Speaker 3: my hands have handcuffs. But then those handcuffs have this
Speaker 3: this chain going through it and then that's cuffed again,
Speaker 3: so my movements are very limited my walk and I'm thinking, say,
Speaker 3: you know, criminal, it's this like there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: We're just going to the judge and the agent's young
Speaker 3: girl kind of guys, and I say, well, I guess
Speaker 3: this is as close as I'll ever get to chat
Speaker 3: old slavery. They have a hum, but they don't speak
Speaker 3: any words.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: That testimony, Andrew, Thank you so much. We love you
Speaker 1: and you this podcast has been a joy, I think
Speaker 1: for all of us to do alongside you.
Speaker 3: So just simply thank you all for the support. You
Speaker 3: all held me down, not just on this podcast but
Speaker 3: all the way through. And thank you all the listeners
Speaker 3: for your feedback, for your testimonies that you've shared personally
Speaker 3: and keep choosing to move Yeah, and move.
Speaker 1: Well because you said so much, there's still more that
Speaker 1: you guys did not hear of his testimonies. So, because
Speaker 1: we think it's so special to us because we love you,
Speaker 1: but also special to you guys because you guys got
Speaker 1: to know Andrew over the past couple of decades, we
Speaker 1: are releasing his third part of his testimony as its
Speaker 1: own standalone pod because your response.
Speaker 2: To your response to it was overwhelming.
Speaker 1: So you guys will be able to get that on
Speaker 1: this coming Monday. Okay, it is that time in the
Speaker 1: show for call to action. Do I go first or Andrew?
Speaker 1: Maybe Andrew you should go first.
Speaker 5: You a man, You don't know what your call action is?
Speaker 3: What is no?
Speaker 4: I got my call to action?
Speaker 5: Okay you go, Okay, come on, it's my call action,
Speaker 5: joy Read.
Speaker 2: So my called action really is about love.
Speaker 1: By the time we come back to you, guys, Valentine's
Speaker 1: Day would have come and gone. And so when we
Speaker 1: do all this work, all of us, we are out
Speaker 1: here hidden pavement, doing grassroots work, doing policy work. And
Speaker 1: it is nice to have a partner in life. You
Speaker 1: talk a lot about our day and your testimony, but
Speaker 1: to have somebody alongside you hold your hand and fall
Speaker 1: in love. And joy Read explore that aspect of Medgar
Speaker 1: and Evers. And she has her book drops this week.
Speaker 2: It's out, it's out, it's out.
Speaker 1: So she did the view with our girl Sonny on Monday.
Speaker 1: She did tammeron show. So please go out and buy
Speaker 1: this book. You can get it everywhere books are, So
Speaker 1: we encourage you to go to your independent bookstores, black
Speaker 1: owned bookstore. Shout out to Uncle Bobby's in Philly, mark
Speaker 1: lemont Hills store. You can order it online from independent stores.
Speaker 1: So that's my call to action. I'm asking Edgar and Meg.
Speaker 2: And some love in your life.
Speaker 4: Your first.
Speaker 2: Love yourself first. That is my lesson this. We love
Speaker 2: yourself first, all right, Andrew.
Speaker 3: Love yourself and go get the book.
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm just going to add on I love yourself,
Speaker 5: go get the book. And in the spirit of loving
Speaker 5: Black History Month, we are sitting with living Black history.
Speaker 4: What are we doing?
Speaker 5: Well, you knocked her out, but guess what we are
Speaker 5: celebrating Tiffany Cross Week all week.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so my call to action is for all of
Speaker 4: you to send our girls some birthday love. Tell her
Speaker 4: happy birth Tell her.
Speaker 5: Just because she is sharing forty five with Donald Trump,
Speaker 5: she does not have to become Donald Trump. Tell her
Speaker 5: that her destiny is going to be greater than hers
Speaker 5: and she will not have ninety one indictments or even one.
Speaker 5: Tell her that she will not face a civil trial
Speaker 5: for defamation. Tell her that instead she will live abundantly
Speaker 5: in all of the goodness.
Speaker 4: And loaded we love you.
Speaker 5: Tip I wanted to shave Donald Trump in this, but
Speaker 5: I do want to say. I do want to say
Speaker 5: that I'm so grateful for your birth I am so
Speaker 5: grateful to call you sister. I'm so thankful to share
Speaker 5: this platform with you. I am so glad and grateful
Speaker 5: that your latter years will be greater than your former years.
Speaker 4: And yeah, birthday tip.
Speaker 1: This birthday, I'll display quickly, this birthday would not be
Speaker 1: what it is without our friendship. All of you guys,
Speaker 1: I will say, are we love everybody?
Speaker 4: Our girl group?
Speaker 2: Our group chat.
Speaker 1: Has held me up so many times, and so I
Speaker 1: really encouraged people to find you sisters. Who ride for you?
Speaker 1: Who you ride for Because when I think about love
Speaker 1: in my life, the most abundant places where I get
Speaker 1: love is our our group chat. You know, like either,
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't post a picture without them saying
Speaker 1: you so fine.
Speaker 2: You know, we are always loving to other birthdays.
Speaker 1: We give nice gifts to each other, so I feel
Speaker 1: very loved. I expect to feel a lot more love
Speaker 1: from you and you when we go eat after this.
Speaker 1: You have been talking about my gray hair.
Speaker 3: Well, pointing out I got grace everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Andrew hate my headphones. I'm gonna get her
Speaker 1: some airpos for her birthday.
Speaker 4: Birthday, yea, some airpris.
Speaker 3: We change the size.
Speaker 4: I don't like. I don't like this change. Oh you're
Speaker 4: saying for the airpis. I agree.
Speaker 2: I like that chain. Well anyway, We.
Speaker 4: We love you J.
Speaker 2: We love you ur J.
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