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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeart Radio in

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Speaker 1: partnership with Reason Choice Media. What's up, everybody, Welcome home,

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Speaker 1: y'all to the fifth episode of Native Land Pod.

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Speaker 2: Per se Yes.

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Speaker 3: Day here the birth day.

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Speaker 2: I'm forty five, y'all get it good? Thank you good?

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Speaker 2: Can I tell y'all, I didn't know it was middle aged?

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Speaker 2: You're choosing violence?

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Speaker 4: I give you permission.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was middle aged. I didn't know forty.

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Speaker 5: Received it really no middle as.

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Speaker 4: We don't put you in your trump here.

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Speaker 2: I know forty five is bad. It started out bad,

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Speaker 2: so it's gonna end up good.

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Speaker 3: You get second chances, third.

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Speaker 4: You know that is true.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Well anyway, Quarius seasons. So thank y'all because this is

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Speaker 1: my birthday gift here being with you all. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: our listeners after this, we're all going to go eat

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Speaker 1: stuff our faces.

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Speaker 4: Yes, we get there. It depends on if we decide

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Speaker 4: to fill a bust to this pot or not. Okay,

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Speaker 4: can we go along on this pod?

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Speaker 3: We do. We don't know how to stop talking.

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Speaker 1: We will have so much interesting things to say that

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Speaker 1: it's a lot happening in the media. Yes, yes, well

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Speaker 1: we think are interesting, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: The listener may or may not, who knows well.

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Speaker 2: The numbers say they do. Thank y'all for rolling with us.

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Speaker 1: As you know on Nata Lampid, we give it to

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Speaker 1: you straight, no chaser, And so I want to let

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Speaker 1: you guys know, we are going.

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Speaker 2: To be talking about a lot on this episode.

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Speaker 1: We're going to we had a primary this week, two

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Speaker 1: primaries on Nevada and Nevada.

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Speaker 5: Forgive me all the folks in Nevada on the West coast, right,

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Speaker 5: let's the a Ryan go never let us this is

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Speaker 5: the West Coast Nevada, Nevada in South Carolina.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into that immigration. Every time we talk

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Speaker 1: about immigration, I feel like it's a flood of comments. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: people feel away and people, I will tell you, people

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Speaker 1: have been coming after me like Tiffany, you have no

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Speaker 1: idea what you're talking about, and let me tell you

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Speaker 1: what's happening in Chicago.

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Speaker 4: And New York.

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Speaker 2: And I heard y'all.

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Speaker 5: So we're gonna get into that again today.

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Speaker 1: In shall we gonna we want to come rod to

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Speaker 1: your city, invite us. We're also going to get into

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Speaker 1: something that we talked about doing on this podcast is

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Speaker 1: talking about some of these state bills that are happening

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Speaker 1: lot of these state these laws that are passed to

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Speaker 1: the state legislature become federal law. So we're going to

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Speaker 1: start paying attention to that as well. We're going to

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Speaker 1: y'all know what's happening Sunday. Yes, the NFL, So we're

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Speaker 4: That Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and angel I know you read a really interesting

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Speaker 1: report from Mackenzie.

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Speaker 2: We're going to get into that.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to take a moment and thank

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Speaker 1: you guys because of the response to Andrew's testimony last week. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I know you stay on social media, we all need to,

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Speaker 1: but it was overwhelming. There were so many people just

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Speaker 1: showing you all the love of my brothers. So his

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Speaker 1: testimony was so harrowing and so much. We're going to

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Speaker 1: play the second half of his testimony, so I want

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Speaker 1: you guys to really stick around and listen to that

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Speaker 1: because after going through such turmoil and personal crisis and

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Speaker 1: and surviving that so teers to you. Then the Lord

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Speaker 1: send another challenger away and you survived that, but getting

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Speaker 1: into the trial, I think that is super, super important,

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Speaker 1: So you guys please be sure to stick around for that.

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Speaker 1: So we allowed to get to get into this podcast. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: let's get right into it. I think we have to

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Speaker 1: kick it off with the primaries this week, the primary

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Speaker 1: South Carolina and Nevada. So I think why it's important

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Speaker 1: for us to talk about this is these two states

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Speaker 3: So far in the yeah, oh no period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for primary states.

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Speaker 1: So South Carolina has a large not the largest, but

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Speaker 1: large Latino population, black population, indigenous population. Right, big labor

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I felt a little ease being out of

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Speaker 1: the news. So Angela actually updated me this morning. Angela,

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Speaker 1: please tell me the results of the Nevada Nevada primier.

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Speaker 5: Well, I will say the Biden heres campaign pushed out

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Speaker 5: some results this morning talking about there were there was

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Speaker 5: a ninety percent of the twenty twenty turnout in this

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Speaker 4: No, this is in Nevada, Novada.

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Speaker 5: Yes, and I think that I'm a little concerned because

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Speaker 5: I know you said, Andrews said, I wouldn't have shown

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Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, but I think that.

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Speaker 5: You know, we just need to be aware of these numbers,

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Speaker 5: particularly as it relates to people of color. However, I

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Speaker 5: feel like the big news in Nevada is that Nicki

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Speaker 5: Haley opted out of the caucuses and into the primary.

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Speaker 5: She says she didn't compete. Her campaign says she didn't compete.

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Speaker 5: But let me tell you who did compete.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait wait, So that the

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Speaker 3: viewers understanding completely, Donald Trump chose the caucuses over the primaries,

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Speaker 3: and therefore was not a name on the ballot.

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Speaker 5: Yes, okay, okay, yes, So because you can only pick

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Speaker 5: the primary or the caucuses. Yes, so Nicki Haley chose

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Speaker 5: the ballot, she chose the primary, and there was another

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Speaker 5: choice on the ballot that Donald Trump did push. So

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Speaker 5: there was a ghost of Donald Trump on the ballot.

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Speaker 5: It was not any of these candidates. Wait, but do

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Speaker 5: you mean like none of the other candidates are on there.

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Speaker 4: Or a choice.

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Speaker 5: There was a choice that said, and I quote, not

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Speaker 5: any of these candidates, Haley.

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Speaker 2: Any option B is none of y'all.

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Speaker 4: Do y'all want to know who won?

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Speaker 5: I have a feeling any of these candidates.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, can you imagine?

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Speaker 5: So the campaign is trying heard it, but they needed

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Speaker 5: to hear that. Here's the thing, Nikki Haley has to

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Speaker 5: be embarrassed. Her campaign has to be mortified. But they

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Speaker 5: of course South Carolina primaries this weekend were just the

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Speaker 4: The Republicans are coming up on the twenty four. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: Well, as you were saying this, our producer, Nick is

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Speaker 1: a spellar producer. He actually has the winner of the

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Speaker 1: GOP primary caucus on the line.

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Speaker 2: Please help me welcome.

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Speaker 1: None of these candidates. Thank you for joining us. About

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Speaker 1: your good feats. I'm sorry about your victory. Give us

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Speaker 1: your remarks on your stellar victory in Nevada. All right,

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Speaker 1: that you heard it here first, folks, we have the

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Speaker 1: GOP winner of the Nevada primary with those really riveting,

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Speaker 1: compelling remarks, I say, all right, can we just I

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Speaker 1: know we got to move on, but I want to

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Speaker 1: black voters aren't turning out. I get so tired of

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Speaker 1: hearing that that that trope. Did you guys have any

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Speaker 3: Well, black voters weren't turning out for the Republican primary,

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Speaker 4: But true Republican primary, that's not.

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Speaker 3: Yet I understand. But my point is is in a

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Speaker 3: reconfirm what we already know, which is Biden and Harris

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Speaker 3: will be the nominees for Democrats. So to me, I

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Speaker 3: don't think we ought to overread that.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 5: Thing I'll tell you guys is our dear sister Latasha Brown,

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Speaker 5: who's been doing work all over the south South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna forget about you, brother.

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Speaker 5: I just say our sister because she's but yes, and

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Speaker 5: Cliff Albright and April I love them.

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Speaker 4: I will say this.

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Speaker 5: They said that there was an increase in black voter

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Speaker 5: I tell you, did I see an increase in black

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Speaker 5: voter turnout on his ballot count was Dean Phillips.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thought you was gonna say, Jim Scott.

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Speaker 5: But you know what, Jim Scott is competing in the

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Speaker 5: Republican primary, competing.

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Speaker 3: He's still on the ballot.

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Speaker 4: He's still on the ballot. I think he was. He wasn't. No,

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Speaker 4: he was on the He's on the ballot in Nevada.

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Speaker 4: They can't take you. I don't think they could take

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Speaker 3: And not even so he got beat by nobody either not.

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Speaker 4: Again, yes, okay, yeah, that Mike.

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Speaker 5: But the thing is the one who's still in the race.

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Speaker 5: Nikki Hayley got beat by one of these kids.

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Speaker 2: President, none of these candidates.

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Speaker 3: Might you want to run? None of them?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Exactly, change your name legally, Nemorda.

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Speaker 1: I know for your birthday, for your birthday, it's name that's.

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Speaker 2: An Obama Carter.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, we got a lot more show coming

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Speaker 1: up when we come back after this break. We're going

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Speaker 1: to get into immigration. You guys have a lot to

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Speaker 1: say about immigration. Okay, I'm eager for this next topic

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Speaker 1: because immigration. We've talked about this a few times on

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Speaker 1: know where Angela and I are in our girl group,

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Speaker 1: our group chat, and so in our co ed chat. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I think this came up in our co ed chat

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Speaker 1: and we were talking about immigration. And this is how

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Speaker 1: I know we have our finger on the pulse of

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Speaker 1: the community because you guys, your questions are always very

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Speaker 1: get us right into this conversation. So let's rode off

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Speaker 7: Good day, Navy Land. My name is Valentine and I

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Speaker 7: live in Hinesvith, Georgia. My question is what do you

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Speaker 7: think about what fifty cent did over the weekend when

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Speaker 7: he did a tweet me personally, I have a problem

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Speaker 7: with that because if you're gonna tweet something like that.

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Speaker 7: Tweet all the other stuff too, Tweet what the House

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Speaker 7: Republicans doing right now. That's not working with the Democratic

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Speaker 7: Party about making some kind of bill to control the border.

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Speaker 7: He's not education's people. I do believe people like that.

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Speaker 7: The rappers, they're not. They have a platform, but they're

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Speaker 1: Challenging time when first, let me just say, rappers are

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Speaker 4: So fifty cent. He actually didn't just have an opinion.

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Speaker 5: He raised a question, Eric Adams, tell me what's going

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Speaker 5: it is a card that is essentially like Snap Benefits

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Speaker 2: I responding to fifty fifty cent, Oh yeah, let's let's

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Speaker 9: This was a small policy shift that we're doing on

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Speaker 4: So I told.

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Speaker 9: now we understand why he was elected by the people

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Speaker 5: I love it. Wow, so asked Ari Melburn Tips former colleague,

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Speaker 4: He's become a rapper whisper. But also we.

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Speaker 5: Think that we can we can give you a run

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think that's kind of the thing Andrew right, Like, so,

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Speaker 1: But a lot of those comments are actually to meet

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Speaker 3: You know what, I think, so real quick on this one.

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Speaker 3: Here in America, we don't tend to just let people

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Speaker 4: You have to have a solution.

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Speaker 5: Also use a black owned business. And to this point,

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Speaker 5: Let's roll that question.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, family.

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Speaker 10: This is big cousin Will Almighty from Saint Louis, Missouri,

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Speaker 10: and my question is with all the talk of the border,

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Speaker 10: Why is it America? Don't solve the real problem, the

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay? Can I just birthday?

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Speaker 11: I love this, big cousin, Will, Almighty school day.

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Speaker 3: I just want to I want to know what side

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Speaker 4: I guess I gotta be doing color complex. We're trying

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Speaker 4: High five you too?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, Wow, anyway, wow, big cousin Will. I love

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Speaker 4: I know we were going along.

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Speaker 5: So this is my very brief synapsis synopsis. What I

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Speaker 5: So yes, there a border bill needs to be done. Yes,

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Speaker 4: That folks.

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Speaker 5: Yes, those are folks who were born here to parents

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Speaker 5: And sometimes, as you said last week, those conditions are

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Speaker 3: I just say what I said a couple of weeks

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Speaker 3: I get that people are upset when they see new

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Speaker 3: all of time in this country, which is you've put

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Speaker 3: people who are all in need against one another while

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Speaker 3: the folks who have it all are sitting there watching

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Speaker 3: the drama play out.

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Speaker 2: That's you've coined it perfectly. I know we're running along.

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Speaker 1: I just want to get one more question, and if

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Speaker 1: we can, we want to make sure you guys feel

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Speaker 1: like you're part of the conversation and we'd love getting

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Speaker 1: all your viewer questions, so please be sure to keep

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Speaker 1: submitting your viewer questions. We will always take time on

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Speaker 1: Native Lampod to answer them. But I just want to

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Speaker 1: get one more question in on this if we can.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Native Pod.

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Speaker 12: My name is Selene. I'm a Bronx girl in Baltimore.

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Speaker 12: I have a question I was wondering. I know Angela

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Speaker 12: had mentioned about, you know, steps being made for a

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Speaker 12: comprehensive black agenda, and I wonder what does that look

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Speaker 12: like in practice. I have friends from all over the world,

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Speaker 12: and I am clear that the interests of some Black

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Speaker 12: Americans and the interests of some people who identify as

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Speaker 12: black but come from across the diaspora. I feel like

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Speaker 12: we have a different vested interest in this country. I

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Speaker 12: feel like Black Americans have allowed all other immigrants to

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Speaker 12: enter to start their journey in our country as human

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Speaker 12: That was the price we paid, you know, in blood,

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Speaker 12: sweat and tears. But I feel like some of that

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Speaker 12: gets yeah, Okay, it's done. Has that sentiment.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that question, Charlene. First of all, I

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Speaker 1: want to say, welcome home to your poots were in

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Speaker 1: the background.

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Speaker 2: He has some they too.

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Speaker 1: I love that question exactly, and I'll kick that to

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Speaker 1: you because this this speaks directly to our girl, Alicia Garza,

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Speaker 1: who's one of the three founders of Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 1: who runs Futures Pack, who did do a comprehensive black

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Speaker 1: agenda that we try to lift up as much as possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Black Futures Lab, Black Futures.

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Speaker 5: Lab, and you're calling back to the future action fun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and love you.

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Speaker 4: She announced she just got a new job the public.

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Speaker 4: Can we talk about this, okay?

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Speaker 2: Alicia Garza is now at j m B.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, we're gonna have to figure that out. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think that she got a new job.

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Speaker 3: Y'all don't know the job you just.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about, I got.

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Speaker 5: I gotta.

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Speaker 1: Go where she her whole focus will be on building

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Speaker 1: better infrastructure and funneling funds to grassroots organizations.

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Speaker 3: Thunder A thunder appreciate.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, But Charlene's question, I think is a legitimate one.

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Speaker 2: What do y'all have on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, she's right, she said, black folks have been

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Speaker 3: I don't know, she didn't use the word eager, but

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Speaker 3: have welcomed communities who have immigrated into this country seamlessly

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Speaker 3: and have treated them as human and humane from jomp

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Speaker 3: And she's right about that. And the sacrifice in service

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Speaker 3: that black folks have made to this country, she basically said,

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Speaker 3: is baked into the pie. Folks are like, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that happened, but it was a long time ago, and

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Speaker 3: she's right to acknowledge that, Yeah it happened. But the legacy, right,

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Speaker 3: it's tentacles live on today. Our willingness to hold up

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Speaker 3: the country, to hold it accountable to its truth. It

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Speaker 3: doesn't ever seem to disappear. What surprises you, Tiffany about

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Speaker 3: comments from black folks sounding anti immigrant is that's not

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Speaker 3: how we sound. That isn't who we have been, and

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's who we are. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it's who we are, to be truthful about it. I

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Speaker 3: think it's the penetration of other people's conversations.

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Speaker 2: Right, thank you, depending on who.

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Speaker 3: We are and trying to reshape our character, are our

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Speaker 3: morals who we are as a people.

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Speaker 2: Weaponizing communities of color or.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and it's to their benefit and not ours. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not going down that road. But I appreciated the

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Speaker 3: depth of what was in that question and I completely relate.

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Speaker 5: I want to switch gears a little bit to the

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Speaker 5: portion of her conversation that talks about a black agenda.

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Speaker 5: There was a recent report from the Mackenzie Institute for

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Speaker 5: Black Economic Mobility, the state of Black Residents, the relevance

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Speaker 5: of place to racial equity and outcomes. And in this report,

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Speaker 5: what I think is the most fascinating thing is that

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Speaker 5: there is a solution, and that's why.

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Speaker 4: I'm bringing it up around a Black agenda.

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Speaker 5: There's a solution for a one point seven trillion to

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Speaker 5: a two point four trillion dollar affordable housing plan over

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Speaker 5: two decades that would help close a racial wealth gap,

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Speaker 5: particularly around housing and access to housing. That if we

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Speaker 5: do not implement this one point seven to two point

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Speaker 5: four trillion dollar plan, it will take us more than

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Speaker 5: three hundred and twenty years to close that gaps. And

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Speaker 5: we've already been here doing that. And I think that

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Speaker 5: that's the first flag. I think that if we are

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Speaker 5: not very clear that it is only going to be economics,

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Speaker 5: it's only going to be dollars and cents that fix

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Speaker 5: the very significant problems that we have in this country.

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Speaker 5: We just got to do it. So a few things

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Speaker 5: from this report. They talk about an urban periphery, which

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Speaker 5: is essentially the suburbs. Black outcome scores are just sixty

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Speaker 5: four percent of white outcome scores, so there's still a

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Speaker 5: significant gap there.

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Speaker 2: But what does that mean, like in wealth specifically.

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Speaker 5: Around housing, Like it's housing, it is safety, it is

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Speaker 5: access to food, all of these things. They have a

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Speaker 5: like a whole little table, a handy dandy chart that

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Speaker 5: I make sure that y'all get to see. But it

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Speaker 5: talks about everything from the standard of living, the job

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Speaker 5: like well being, livelihood.

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Speaker 4: In these communities. What that looks like.

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Speaker 5: So sixty four percent to white folks, there's it says

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Speaker 5: that less than zero point one percent of the black

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Speaker 5: population lives in a county close to parody point one percent.

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Speaker 5: So these numbers are astounding. There are things that we

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Speaker 5: almost get heartened to them. When when we were talking

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Speaker 5: about this as we planned for the podcast, one of

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Speaker 5: the things that Tiff said to me that struck me

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Speaker 5: but it's so true, is Okay, we're used to this, though, like,

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Speaker 5: what's the what's the new data here?

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Speaker 4: What's the point? Because we know we're behind.

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Speaker 5: But what I like about this is they also gave

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Speaker 5: a plan for what would close those gaps. And I

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Speaker 5: think that there are things that the Hill needs to

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Speaker 5: be considering. Mike Johnson can't do nothing else, maybe you

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Speaker 5: can figure out a reparation plan for black.

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Speaker 2: Republican speaker at a house. By the way, we'll see how.

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Speaker 3: Hold up breath. That the truth is is that the

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Speaker 3: the the agenda to solve some of the things that

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Speaker 3: have always been present. We always know what they are

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Speaker 3: because they're the same agenda that solves these problems for

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Speaker 3: white folks, which is why they don't exist largely problem

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Speaker 3: in white communities. Absolutely. And by the way, you know,

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Speaker 3: a shout out to the book The Some of Us,

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Speaker 3: which Heavin McGee uh wrote, But she talks about all

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Speaker 3: of these ideas, whether it be a free uh education,

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Speaker 3: whether it is the g I Bill of Rights. All

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Speaker 3: of those initiatives as they came along were widely popular

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Speaker 3: with what constituency, the overwhelming majority of white folks in

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Speaker 3: the majority. Where did it change? It changed after the

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Speaker 3: Civil Rights Act when those same programs would be allowed

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Speaker 3: and extended to black folks as well. That is when

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Speaker 3: we began to lose the majority of support in this country.

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Speaker 1: It is gover green, gun rights, evergreen, but it.

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Speaker 3: Is also the reason why these disparities are existing in

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Speaker 3: the way that they are. If the government did nothing else,

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Speaker 3: just making sure that home ownership was more accessible to

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Speaker 3: more of us would be would be a great step

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Speaker 3: in the right direction, because for most people who own homes,

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Speaker 3: it is your one beautiful apple of security. You can

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Speaker 3: borrow against it and then pay yourself back and not

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Speaker 3: pay taxes on it. You can use it as leverage.

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Speaker 3: Should your household run into a crisis and you need

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Speaker 3: something as an emergency, you can lose that as collateral.

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Speaker 3: If you're starting a business. The abilities that you get

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Speaker 3: through home ownership are manifold in this society, and it

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Speaker 3: shouldn't confuse any of us why it is that so

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Speaker 3: many black folks don't have that same opportunity and access.

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Speaker 4: Just a point of clarification, because I don't know if

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Speaker 4: I said it.

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Speaker 5: This report isn't just dealing with home ownership though, it's

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Speaker 5: affordable housing period like even rent.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even rent is talking about that disparity. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of those protections during COVID that had

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Speaker 1: a moratory on on evictions and foreclosures have since expired.

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Speaker 2: So housing security in our community has gotten even.

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Speaker 1: Worse as the rise of inflation, which is not specific

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Speaker 1: to any political party, and crime increase, all of that.

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Speaker 1: But I have questions about this because I do wonder

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Speaker 1: is home ownership the only path to wealth?

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Speaker 3: It is not. I was just trying to give some

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Speaker 3: of the example.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I got it of what you get through

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Speaker 2: that on.

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Speaker 3: The on the rental piece. So almost every state has

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Speaker 3: affordable housing trust funds, and almost every one of them

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Speaker 3: don't live up to the guarantee of those affordable housing trusts.

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Speaker 3: In Florida, we have it. It is baking with money

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Speaker 3: that the Republican legislature borrows against to pay for its

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Speaker 3: other priorities. It's flush, but they won't build a housing

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Speaker 3: that the money is intended to be built. And that

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Speaker 3: is a true statement for state after eight after state,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't get more secure for most people.

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Speaker 1: That's why you have to look at these state legislators.

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Speaker 1: Who runs the state legislator and know the difference between

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Speaker 1: that and the federal government, and then you'll start to

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Speaker 1: see where some of these democratic policies do benefit you,

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Speaker 1: but maybe your state legislature doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Right now, Michael Harriet live building.

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Speaker 1: We so we are literally live recording our podcast, and

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Speaker 1: we were told that Michael Harriet, New York Times best

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Speaker 1: selling author of Black af History was in the building

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Speaker 1: recording breakfast Club, and so we were like, oh, he

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Speaker 1: should come by and while we're recording our podcast, Michael Harriet,

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: What's going Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Our favorite.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 13: I'm crashing like my podcast. I don't even have guests either,

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Speaker 13: So roll through.

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Speaker 2: This is the benefit of being in person.

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Speaker 13: Welcome y'all. Just blowing up the internet right now, y'all

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Speaker 13: like four episodes in and everybody like talking about this

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Speaker 13: new podcast.

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Speaker 3: What do we need to know? What is our community?

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Speaker 3: To know we're at the top of Black History Month.

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Speaker 3: What would you leave?

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Speaker 2: Yeah for Black History Month, I give us a black

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Speaker 2: bet Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Oh that again one of my people who listen to me. No,

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Speaker 13: I believe South Carolina is the capital of Black America.

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Speaker 13: Everything that you know about black people and think about

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Speaker 13: black people, and think about black people in America came

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Speaker 13: through South Carolina first from the Montgomery Boys Bus boycott

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Speaker 13: wouldn't exist without South Carolina. The laws against governing the

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Speaker 13: enslaved were formatted for all of the states because of

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Speaker 13: a rebellion in South Carolina. So it all everything datespected

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Speaker 13: except what is it?

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Speaker 3: Almost what seventy percent of us can trace.

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Speaker 2: Our Yeah the largest largest Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Right, Like everybody came through South Carolina. All your relatives,

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Speaker 13: ancestors came through South Carolina.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I knew, I knew.

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Speaker 1: We could just see Michael say, give us a black

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Speaker 1: history head, be like, here's a black.

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Speaker 4: A F history the book. Yet I'm Michael Harriet Black

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Speaker 4: a F History. The book is.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, amazing, It's soondents to read, like I read a

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Speaker 1: little bit every day. It's so I don't want to

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Speaker 1: finish it. For people, it really does like carry you

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Speaker 1: through history in a different way. And the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: about it, Michael, you were not Your mind was not

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Speaker 1: co opted by a school system that taught you a

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Speaker 1: different history. So when you hear this stuff, you're like, what,

674
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Speaker 1: that's not true. This fantasy of America y'all think exists,

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Speaker 1: that's not the real history of it.

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Speaker 4: You can get it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give away the books, so I read it,

678
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Speaker 1: but you talk about cannibalism and how this country was founded.

679
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Speaker 2: Read the book. That's all I'm gonna say. That is

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Speaker 2: you came.

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Speaker 14: Back, so you don't have to go home, but MI

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Speaker 14: go Harriet, everybody, thank.

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Speaker 4: You, Michael, Harriet.

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Speaker 1: This next bill that we want to tell you guys about,

685
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Speaker 1: So it's a bill out of Georgia that is run

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Speaker 1: by a Republican state legislature and this new this is

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Speaker 1: a new system that could potentially make it difficult for

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Speaker 1: people of low income to get bail. You guys, i'm

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Speaker 1: sure have heard all about the challenges around bill reform.

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Speaker 1: So we want to get into that because we think

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Speaker 1: that's important. But before we do, we want you to

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Speaker 1: know what's actually in the bill. So take a listen

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Speaker 1: to this and we will get more into it. On

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Speaker 1: the other side, SB.

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Speaker 15: Sixty three was a harmful bill that was going to,

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Speaker 15: as you said, include at least thirty offenses where judges

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Speaker 15: would be required to set bail, and then at the

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Speaker 15: last minute it included severe restrictions on charitable bail payments.

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Speaker 15: It tops charitable bail payments at three per year for individuals, corporations, nonprofits, churches,

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Speaker 15: as well as charitable bail organizations like US and so

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Speaker 15: at a time when the justice system is overburdened jails

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Speaker 15: are overcrowded, to not only ensure that more people will

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Speaker 15: be subjected to bail and likely unaffordable cash bail, to

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Speaker 15: also take away the lifeline that charitable bail funds and

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Speaker 15: other charitable bail payments offer to lowcome individuals is particularly

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Speaker 15: concerning for Georgians across the state. As I said before,

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Speaker 15: there's a two tiered system of justice in any cash

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Speaker 15: bail system, and that's a system where people with money

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Speaker 15: can be released and people without money can't. And so

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Speaker 15: it has nothing to do with public safety ultimately. Right

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Speaker 15: if you and I are arrested and charged with the

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Speaker 15: same crime, but I have the money in my bank

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Speaker 15: account to get out and you don't. That's what's going

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Speaker 15: to determine pre trial liberty, not.

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Speaker 4: Whether or not you or I pose a risk to

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Speaker 4: the public.

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Speaker 1: All right, So this bail bill, I have to say discipline.

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Speaker 1: I want to frame this for our viewers and our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Eighty percent of people in jail right now have not

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Speaker 1: been convicted of a crime. Yes, unbelievable, unbelievable. More than

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Speaker 1: ninety five percent of crime is not violent. And for

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Speaker 1: the number of incarcerated people for pre trial cash bill

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Speaker 1: has increased four hundred and thirty three percent from nineteen

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Speaker 1: seventy nineteen seventy to twenty fifteen. And that Khalif Browder,

725
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Speaker 1: who we all sadly tragically know, took his life after

726
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Speaker 1: this child, this teenager was put in rikers with adult prisoners,

727
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Speaker 1: and he talked about his harrowing journey there, not knowing

728
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Speaker 1: when violence was going to attack. When they see us

729
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Speaker 1: Ava du Verney's brilliant piece of work that was on Netflix.

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Speaker 1: We have to do something because this disproportionately impacts the

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Speaker 1: black community.

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Speaker 2: Everybody but the black community.

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Speaker 4: And this is the thing. They did do something.

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Speaker 5: Atlanta in twenty eighteen ban cash bill requirements and Georgia

735
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Speaker 5: is basically saying, like we know that this was a

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Speaker 5: bipartisan solution under Governor Nathan Dial, we see some of

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Speaker 5: the progress, We're gonna reject all of that and go

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Speaker 5: backwards just to penalize the entities like Color of Change,

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Speaker 5: for example, our good our good brother Rashad Robinson runs

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Speaker 5: Color of Change, and they've engaged in programs to help

741
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Speaker 5: get people out for holidays, for Mother's Day, for Father's Day.

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Speaker 5: This bill is now on its way to Brian Kemp's desk,

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Speaker 5: and I want to challenge him. There are members of

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Speaker 5: our community you've said that he's a good guy. I

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Speaker 5: haven't seen it on voter suppression. I want to see

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Speaker 5: what he does as it relates to to Bell reform.

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying that that has been the talking point.

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Speaker 5: So all you brothers and sisters and family members.

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Speaker 2: Are you brothers who has ab a good guy?

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Speaker 5: Brothers and sisters and siblings who say that you know

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Speaker 5: this is someone who is a decent man.

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Speaker 4: I want to see if he's decent when it comes

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Speaker 4: to ball reform.

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Speaker 3: Part of this is it doesn't make sense other I mean,

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Speaker 3: the reason why put it back into its proper category

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Speaker 3: which is economic. Let's not forget right where where the

757
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Speaker 3: bottom line is. Always follow the money, who gets advanced

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Speaker 3: by this economically, who gets depressed hurt by it economically?

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Speaker 3: And I think we'll find, you know where the interest

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Speaker 3: in this whole thing lie. But but for the taxpayer,

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Speaker 3: if we're just talking to the person who has to

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Speaker 3: pay for this system, it doesn't make sense for us

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Speaker 3: to have to pay to incarcerate, for taxpayers to have

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Speaker 3: to pay to incarcerate people who are nonviolent, who are

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Speaker 3: there on nonviolent offenses waiting for a court date or

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Speaker 3: a trial to be set. Thank god, in my case

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Speaker 3: when I had an indictment, I didn't have to serve

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Speaker 3: any you know, to go directly out and there was

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Speaker 3: no bail set and my situation, because there was, it

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Speaker 3: was a non violent accusation, thankfully proven not true.

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Speaker 1: Well, can I just say really quickly right there, please

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Speaker 1: stick around to the end of the podcast because you

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Speaker 1: were going to get talk about that. Yeah, I'll the

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Speaker 1: trial and what what he goes to it is a

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Speaker 1: I mean, this testimony Andrew was amazing.

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Speaker 3: So what with us, and I hope fewer to nobody

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Speaker 3: else has to experience those kinds of things. But in

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Speaker 3: this situation, you've got people there who as who are

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Speaker 3: as innocent as I am, as you are, as any

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Speaker 3: of the three of us or any of our listeners

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Speaker 3: may be, who are sitting inside four walls experiencing all

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Speaker 3: the consequences that come from that. And eventually we may

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Speaker 3: determine whether or not they deserve to be there. But

784
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Speaker 3: nobody's gonna pay them recompense they don't get, you know,

785
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Speaker 3: no one's gonna pay their attorneys bills. They get nothing.

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Speaker 3: Lots of devastated and the taxpayer has been on the

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Speaker 3: hook for it. We've been paying out a pocket for it.

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Speaker 3: And it just public policy wise, economically for us the taxpayers,

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Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense.

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Speaker 5: It's just as egregious as you can't get people water

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Speaker 5: at the polls. There's a thing with Georgia, I said,

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Speaker 5: this is as egregious this is. You all are trying

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Speaker 5: to peek lize folks who are trying to stand in

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Speaker 5: the gap for the least of these.

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Speaker 4: Again, this is a battle of the haves and the

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Speaker 4: have nots.

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Speaker 5: You gotta choose your side, and black folks, I would

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Speaker 5: challenge you, you don't have the ability to stand on

799
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Speaker 5: the side of the halves because everybody else in your

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Speaker 5: families that have none.

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Speaker 4: Right, how about that?

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Speaker 2: That is such a good point.

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Speaker 1: Like when we even as an individual in the family,

804
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Speaker 1: when you make it, you don't make it with a

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Speaker 1: trust fund. You make it with a payroll because you

806
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Speaker 1: got to reach back. Because you know, little Jeff, Jeff

807
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: want to go to proms, so he ain't got money

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Speaker 1: for a rental car.

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Speaker 2: Let's ask cousin tiv Let's ask cousin Angela. Let's ask

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Speaker 2: uncle Andrew.

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Speaker 5: You know, so we are all in the forty five

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Speaker 5: percent tax bracket. We give our check to the government

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Speaker 5: and middle aged I would like to have a reparations

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Speaker 5: text speaking of black I.

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Speaker 1: Agree with that. Can I guess say really quickly before

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Speaker 1: we get off this topic. I'm so happy that you

817
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Speaker 1: brought up the point about people calling Governor Brian Kemp

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Speaker 1: a good guy. Please look into this man's background. He

819
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Speaker 1: is the face of voter suppression. And so when you

820
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Speaker 1: lend your platform rappers, I'm not even gonna name no names.

821
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Speaker 1: When you lend your platform to these people and stand

822
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Speaker 1: on a stage with them, you essentially are endorsing what

823
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Speaker 1: they're doing that might not be your owen, but they

824
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Speaker 1: will use your likeness, your image, and they will say,

825
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: look at it, I got this one about this one

826
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Speaker 1: standing with me. And if you're showing up and not

827
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Speaker 1: challenging them on like these kind of policies, it's a

828
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Speaker 1: big deal. Bell reform is an issue all across the country.

829
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Speaker 1: I because we were talking about bear reforming, you shout

830
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Speaker 1: out a rapper. I'm not going to go without naming

831
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Speaker 1: killing Mike who is but he's a brother to me.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna say something that you might not like him.

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Speaker 5: To have this the win that he had this week

834
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Speaker 5: at the Grammys, congrats to sweep in his categories and

835
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Speaker 5: to be arrested yes agree or an assault that did

836
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Speaker 5: not occur. I think that he can now stand right

837
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Speaker 5: in the center of this as an advocate for what

838
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Speaker 5: we're talking about, based on the policy recommendations that he

839
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Speaker 5: has himself, based on how much he stands ten toes

840
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Speaker 5: down for our community. I know that we'll be able

841
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Speaker 5: to count on Mike to tell Governor Kemp to do

842
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Speaker 5: the right thing. And I and I also just want

843
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Speaker 5: to acknowledge his son was on the list forgetting I

844
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Speaker 5: believe a kidney transplant and they were able to go

845
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Speaker 5: for with that, so best to.

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Speaker 3: And we can.

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Speaker 5: We can politically disagree with these people, but I don't

848
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: think he disagrees on this, Oh no, But I just

849
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Speaker 5: mean with him.

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Speaker 1: I've had political disagree with him, our sister Joy we

851
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Speaker 1: did the show with him before we had disagreements.

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Speaker 2: But my point is he's still our brother. I don't

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Speaker 2: know he's still brother.

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Speaker 1: We can disagree as family loves out in the world

855
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: we are united, but when we have family talk welcome home, y'all,

856
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: we might disagree. So definitely, congrats on the Grammys. Definitely

857
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Speaker 1: completely disrespected at the Grammys, being arrested for an assault

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Speaker 1: right after he won those things.

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Speaker 5: But I do think I hope that that reminds him,

860
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Speaker 5: not that he needed that reminder because of his friends,

861
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 5: friends in his community to challenge Governor Kimny.

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00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: He has him on speed out.

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Speaker 3: Not just all of us have an experience that is

864
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Speaker 3: extremely true in our community, which is we can be

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Speaker 3: a ten yeah off of our merit and what we've

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Speaker 3: earned and the hard work we put in. And when

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Speaker 3: they decide to come for you, yea, they decide, not

868
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Speaker 3: you decide to aggress, they come for you. Yeah, and

869
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Speaker 3: they mean to take you out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really sad to see.

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Speaker 1: So just pay attention to these policies, guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: of course, you know the First Step Act, the federal

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00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: policy that tried to check a very punishing criminal justice

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Speaker 1: system for our community. It's called the First Step Act

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00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: because there needs to be a second Act and a

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Speaker 1: third Act and the fourth Act. So we'll definitely be

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Speaker 1: talking about that. I know, police brutality is something that's

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Speaker 1: really close to all of us, but Angela, you've been

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Speaker 1: wanting to talk about that for a while, So next

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Speaker 1: week I think we should probably get into that.

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Speaker 2: That would be a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna take a really quick commercial break,

883
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Speaker 1: but come back with us because on the other side

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Speaker 1: of this break, we're going to talk about the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I'll leave you with this teasing question. Did you guys

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00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: know that Travis Kelsey invented the fade? Yeah, exactly, I've

887
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: been rock exactly. All right, y'all, don't go anywhere. We'll

888
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: be right back after this break. All right, Welcome back, everybody.

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00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: If you follow me for a while, you know I

890
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Speaker 1: am an expert when it comes to all things Sports,

891
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Speaker 1: And so we are going to talk about the Super Bowl.

892
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Speaker 2: Now, I know the.

893
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Speaker 1: Audience knows who's playing in the Super Bowl. But for

894
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Speaker 1: those people who embarrassingly have no idea who are the.

895
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Speaker 2: Teams playing in the Super Bowl? Tell us, well, I

896
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Speaker 2: don't want to hog the bikes show.

897
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: I want to be that Micael.

898
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Speaker 5: That would be the Kansas City Chiefs and the San

899
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Speaker 5: Francisco forty nine ers and just some people who don't know, embarrassingly,

900
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 5: which team does Travis Kelcey play for?

901
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: Damn you don't know that.

902
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: She wants you to chance, right, I'm trying to give you.

903
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you guess. You got a fifty to

904
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 4: fifty shot.

905
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Speaker 2: I will say he doesn't play for Kansas City because.

906
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well who does Mahomes play for Kansas City?

907
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: So Travis Kelcey and Mahomes are the same.

908
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 5: You know how many people, well our residents sports expert

909
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Speaker 5: is checked out for the day.

910
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: Ladies and did not know they were on the same team.

911
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's who we do know is on the team.

912
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift. Let me talk about that.

913
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 5: Yes, so Travis Invade and Taylor Taylor.

914
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 3: Brother.

915
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 4: Yes he is he didn't.

916
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 5: It's so nice of you to use brothers did faith.

917
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 5: Let's rote that Travis Chelsea sound where he defends himself

918
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 5: to tips slander slanderss.

919
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 4: It's absolutely ridiculous.

920
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 16: And to do it, and to do it on February first,

921
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 16: to throw me to the walls like that, that was

922
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 16: messed up.

923
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Speaker 3: Man. I don't want anything to do with that one.

924
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 12: Man.

925
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 9: I got a good fade if you need it, though.

926
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Speaker 3: It's a two on top of a nice hide.

927
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Speaker 16: The men fame the taper in the back, but I

928
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Speaker 16: didn't invent that, I just asked for it.

929
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Speaker 3: I love his awareness.

930
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that, that awareness from from brother right. No,

931
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Speaker 5: he's in the back national from the black women. He

932
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Speaker 5: kicked the way you met Taylor.

933
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Speaker 4: Awareness.

934
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Speaker 3: But the number two, the number two, The number two is.

935
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Speaker 2: I do, But why don't you tell them.

936
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Speaker 4: You can get waves waves?

937
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Speaker 3: He's the number two. So it's not totally off the head,

938
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Speaker 3: but it ain't totally on it either.

939
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Speaker 5: All I know is he said, y'all did not try

940
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 5: to drag me this here. Black History shout out to him,

941
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 5: very clear about this. But yeah, I think what's so

942
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 5: fascinating about Travis Kelsey is I ain't paying no attention

943
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Speaker 5: to him before this Taylor Swift stuff came out, and.

944
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Speaker 4: Now I'm not the only one paying attention.

945
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Speaker 5: They're talking about how the ratings have significantly increased with

946
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Speaker 5: demos who are our Taylor Swift fans. And also Kansas

947
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 5: City had higher viewership ratings of the Grammys. So yeah,

948
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Speaker 5: there's actually some there's some reciproiity.

949
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Speaker 3: Theah okay, My.

950
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Speaker 1: Beef with all of this is because the media has

951
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Speaker 1: taken this and said Travis Kelsey. Everybody talking about Travis

952
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: Kelsey's haircut, as though black folks wasn't rocking his haircut

953
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Speaker 1: in the eighties.

954
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Speaker 4: They said, can we have the Travis Kelsey?

955
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Speaker 5: Even before that, but that's when I remember the phase,

956
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Speaker 5: and then the swags are when they were like, oh,

957
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Speaker 5: let's talk about this Taylor Swift swag surf dance, trying

958
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Speaker 5: to get us at Swags.

959
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Speaker 4: I loved you.

960
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Speaker 3: I just have to say, it's a worse indictment of

961
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Speaker 3: the people asking the question.

962
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Speaker 4: That he speaking.

963
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Speaker 1: Can we yes, can we talk about this the other

964
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: thing on the media. So Jim Trotter shout out to you.

965
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Speaker 1: He has always held the line and listen when you

966
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Speaker 1: are the only we know. It can be challenging the

967
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Speaker 1: whole the line, so shout out to people who hold

968
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Speaker 1: the line anyway. Jim Trotter held the line a few

969
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: years ago in the press conference with Rogers.

970
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Speaker 4: Last year, answered asking it everything I think it was?

971
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Speaker 6: Was it?

972
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Speaker 13: Yeah?

973
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Speaker 5: I thought he got okay, maybe dismissed.

974
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Speaker 2: Yes, okay, Jim.

975
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Speaker 1: Trotter, shout out to you. But I do also want

976
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Speaker 1: to shout out that he set a legacy because this

977
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Speaker 1: year Darren Smith, our host of a radio show at

978
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Speaker 1: k l KC radio station, in Trotter's absence, pose this question.

979
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Speaker 2: Take a listen.

980
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,439
Speaker 16: So look, I know I'm out of Kansas City. I've

981
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Speaker 16: had dreams of maybe you're working for the NFL network

982
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Speaker 16: one day. But I'm sorry, but I said, I'm out

983
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Speaker 16: of Kansas City. So I've had dreams that work for

984
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Speaker 16: the NFL network one day. But be that as it may.

985
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Speaker 16: I know that you don't run the NFL media newsroom,

986
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Speaker 16: but you do run the NFL, and they answer to

987
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Speaker 16: you along with the ticket two owners. After this press conference,

988
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Speaker 16: the NFL Media newsroom still employees zero black managers, zero

989
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 16: black copy editors, zero full time black employees. On the

990
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Speaker 16: news desk, and you're only full time black employee. Larry

991
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 16: Campbell passed away over the weekend. Now, mister Trotter, Jim

992
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,839
Speaker 16: Trotter is not here, you know, for whatever reason, over

993
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 16: the last years, have asked you why that is the

994
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Speaker 16: case and for leave that have with the sixty percent

995
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Speaker 16: African Americans have played to play the game. And I

996
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 16: know that you're a man of conscious. How does knowing

997
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 16: this sit well with you? You know? And after two years

998
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 16: of being asked this question, why has it not been

999
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 16: any change or any highers in that area?

1000
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Speaker 6: Well, I disagree completely, there hasn't been any change. I'm

1001
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Speaker 6: happy to get your data and share it with our

1002
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Speaker 6: people and make sure that we get an answer for you.

1003
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Speaker 6: I don't have all the data. I will tell you

1004
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 6: that the first time ever, fifty one percent of our

1005
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 6: employees across the league, across the network, across all of

1006
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Speaker 6: our media platforms, not including players, are either people of

1007
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 6: color or women, first time ever. So progress is being made,

1008
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 6: and there are areas where we still need to work

1009
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Speaker 6: and we need still need to improve, whether it's offensive

1010
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 6: assistance or maybe people in our media news group. We

1011
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 6: will continue to do that and make it significant progress

1012
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 6: as we have.

1013
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: Shout out to Darren's men, my brother, we salute you

1014
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: the way he asked, I know if you're a man

1015
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: of conscious. Jim Trotter isn't here for whatever reason. We

1016
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: heard everything he said.

1017
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: And everything he didn't.

1018
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, so shout out to him. But that is my

1019
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: biggest issue, and honestly, I'm sorry. Roger Goodell's answer was

1020
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 1: kind of bullshit to me. I I wish that he

1021
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: would have acknowledged. Listen, I know we do a horrible

1022
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 1: job at this and I'm fighting every day. He's beholden

1023
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: to these billionaire owners, a lot of whom you know,

1024
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: donate to Republican causes and campaigns. So I have my

1025
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: opinions about that. But it leads me to this question

1026
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: to you guys, should we be watching the NFL.

1027
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 4: I'm definitely gonna watch the super Bowl.

1028
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 2: It was hard because I'm a big NFL fan, as

1029
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 2: you know.

1030
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 5: I can tell I thinking Travis Kelsey and Patrick Mahomes

1031
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 5: play for for a different team. But but I know

1032
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 5: you probably will watch. I'm a watch usher, But I

1033
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 5: think I think that this is the point. Roger Goodell

1034
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 5: doesn't sound any different than most fortune one thousand CEOs.

1035
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 5: He doesn't sound any different than most medium sized businesses.

1036
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 5: He doesn't sound any different from folks who are cabinet secretaries.

1037
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 5: And this Biden administration certainly doesn't sound any different from

1038
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: Trump administration officials.

1039
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 4: Why am I saying that this.

1040
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 5: Isn't the We can't put all of white supremacy at

1041
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 5: the foot feet of Roger Goodell, but we can certainly

1042
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 5: put some of it. They have made some changes, but

1043
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 5: what they do Andrew and you said, this is the

1044
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 5: conflation of black and women or black Asian, you know,

1045
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 5: Latino and women, Black Native American, Latino and Asian and women.

1046
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 5: And there's always like if we can put everybody in

1047
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 5: this same bucket, just like they did with the Permative

1048
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 5: Action policy, then somehow it'll look better. But you're denying

1049
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 5: the fact that white women are most often married to

1050
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 5: white men. So that means the very white supermacist culture

1051
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: that we're supposed to be trying to get rid of

1052
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 5: is continuing to benefit, even from the programs that are

1053
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 5: there to help us. So yes, there do need to

1054
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 5: be real answers here, and know this was not a

1055
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 5: good one, and he should have been prepared because He's

1056
00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 5: been asked this for several years.

1057
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Speaker 3: I also want to say, in the area of press media,

1058
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 3: who is talking, who is speaking for you, speaking for

1059
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: your players and movement, It matters to have diverse press

1060
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 3: and communications rooms. Different people hear things differently and experience

1061
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 3: life differently. One of my biggest frustrations when I ran

1062
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Speaker 3: for governor was that the entirety of the press corps

1063
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Speaker 3: political press corps in our state was white and white

1064
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 3: male majority. Right, So, if you're talking about my race,

1065
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 3: my lived experience, what kind of policies we've accomplished that

1066
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: make me ready for this office, and you're not willing

1067
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: to get into the weeds and what my record was

1068
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 3: or the experiences that I come from. You can't dare

1069
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,760
Speaker 3: translate who I am to your reading public. You can't

1070
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 3: do it. You can try, but you're going to miss

1071
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 3: the mark almost every time. So his question was really specific.

1072
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: Didn't answer the specificity of that question. He answered writ large,

1073
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 3: and in answering writ large, you do what Angela has

1074
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 3: already talked about, which as you pull in every number

1075
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 3: that can potentially make you look better. Now let's delve deeper.

1076
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: He says, sixty percent of your players are black.

1077
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Speaker 4: I think it's close to seventy.

1078
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Speaker 3: Well, he said, I'm just going from what the.

1079
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Speaker 2: Question, But I do you think the data is what?

1080
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Speaker 3: As I look that it may be so simply represent

1081
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Speaker 3: us at the rate that we represent you.

1082
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Speaker 4: That's it.

1083
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: I love that.

1084
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 4: That's it. That's it, full stop.

1085
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay in all these industries, yes, start first, you're

1086
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 5: watching the NFL.

1087
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Speaker 3: Yes, I'm watching halftime.

1088
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: Because do y'all want to say, real quickly, what's what

1089
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: y'all want to hear us?

1090
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 3: You perform so everything?

1091
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 4: My favorite ib A group baby.

1092
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Speaker 1: Well he actually references our our group chat in one

1093
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: of his songs, what do you say? He says, I

1094
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: keep a dollar worth of dimes.

1095
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Speaker 13: Shout out.

1096
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 3: A couple of on that one around here? You get

1097
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 3: a dime?

1098
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Speaker 2: All right?

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00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 5: I am what I've ignored, Andrew Rude.

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Speaker 2: I love, I love hearing from the viewers.

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00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: So I if we have time, I know we got

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Speaker 1: a lot of your questions in off the top, but

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00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: how do we feel about taking a few more of

1104
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: your questions?

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00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: Yes?

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00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 4: Okay, good, good, good? All right?

1107
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: Who we got?

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00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 17: What was good? Native Lampard, I'm Larry and I'm from Dallas.

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00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 17: But I did want to know whether or not you

1110
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 17: guys are going to talk about inside of trading. I mean,

1111
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 17: tens of millions of dollars have been made obviously with

1112
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 17: public knowledge. You know, lawmakers outperform the stock market fifteen

1113
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 17: percent a year on average. Maybe somebody wanted to bring

1114
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 17: that up.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Larry for that question. We love, We love

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00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: your love, brother, Thank you for weighing in. I want

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00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: to kick this to Angelo because you just for those

1118
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: who don't know, if you haven't followed Angela's career, she's

1119
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: not just a beauty, but she was the executive director

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00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: of the Congressional Black Caucus for some years, but also

1121
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 1: worked in a few offices before you had that position.

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00:55:58,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 2: So what say you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just take this from the political standpoint first,

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00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 5: It is definitely illegal for any member of Congress, any

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00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 5: elected official, to engage in insider trading, as it is

1126
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 5: for everyone. But there are also ethics rules that require

1127
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 5: you to disclose stocks where you have investments, etc.

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00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: I believe in a couple of years back, there was yeah.

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Speaker 5: In New York Times, they had a report on the

1130
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 5: ninety seven members of Congress who reported trading in committees

1131
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 5: where these particular companies were a part of their jurisdiction.

1132
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 5: So I think it still is problematic. If I'm being

1133
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 5: honest with Larry, I would say on a scale of

1134
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 5: one to ten, this issue of importance to me is

1135
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 5: about a point zero zero zero three, just because I have.

1136
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 4: Other things that I'm concerned about right now.

1137
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 5: But I do want to flag that it is an

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00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 5: issue that politicians have to be aware of and have

1139
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 5: to disclose on their ethics reports every year.

1140
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe we should just know more about financial news too. Yeah,

1141
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: a lot of black folks got took on that cryptocurrency

1142
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: market and know that it's changed, so we should this podcast,

1143
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: maybe we'll talk more about that. Said, make it, make

1144
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: it a seven, make it well, do something for us

1145
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: to discuss, because I don't know anything about it. So

1146
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: I'm happy that you were here to answer the question.

1147
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 1: All right, I think we have time for one more.

1148
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: That was a quick answer, so Nick, give us another question.

1149
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 8: Hi, a Native Land podcast. My name is Chris Jones.

1150
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 8: I have a question pertaining to the black vote. We

1151
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 8: have many large cities with a large black population, such

1152
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 8: as Houston, Texas, Memphis, Tennessee, and Miami that are in

1153
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 8: very conservative states. And my question is, why don't we

1154
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 8: get our politicians to change to the popular vote, especially

1155
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 8: in the presidential election instead of the electoral college. And

1156
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 8: if we did that, I feel like our black vote

1157
00:57:58,080 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 8: would actually count more.

1158
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, Well, I just want to make

1159
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: a quick I'm gonna kick to see you, Andrew. But

1160
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: I don't like to term the black vote because we're

1161
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: not a homogeneous voting block, and we have to consider

1162
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: that we are not always talking about federal policy, and

1163
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: when you get to some of those ballot initiatives and

1164
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: state and local politics, our votes can fracture. We don't

1165
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: always feel the same way. So I think he's askeding

1166
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 1: about black voters. What are you saying?

1167
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so sometimes those can be converged that our black

1168
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 3: interest in our black votes or to go along the way.

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00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: I want to thank you for the question, but in truth,

1170
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 3: it will require constitutional amendment to change the way in

1171
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 3: which our president is elected. It is not popular vote

1172
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 3: in forms the electoral college. The electoral college is then

1173
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 3: supposed to represent the interests of the popular vote. However,

1174
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: Donald Trump and what led to twenty the revolt by

1175
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 3: he and his followers was in contradiction of how the

1176
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: electoral college was supposed to initially initially initially work. All

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00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 3: that to say, it's going to be pretty hard to

1178
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: change the constitution. So I have another suggestion, which is

1179
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 3: we can do another great migration. You all recall the

1180
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 3: Great Migration. My good friend doctor Kinnisher Grant wrote a

1181
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: great book about the Great Migration. But when we fanned

1182
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: out from the South and made our way further north

1183
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 3: and further west, we lost a lot of density in

1184
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 3: southern states, where a lot of the overrepresentation of the

1185
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 3: electoral College towards the Republicans still exists. In fact, it thrives.

1186
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 3: So if y'all could come on home, welcome home. I'm

1187
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: still in the South. Yeah, y'all want to come back

1188
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 3: and join us, then there's a way in which to

1189
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 3: impact the electoral college more holy and see whether or not.

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,360
Speaker 3: If then Republicans or the majority get an appetite to

1191
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: change the electoral.

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Speaker 4: College, we'll be back to accounting. And and the bars

1193
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 4: is so funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well there, Well Florida, I mean, they essentially

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Speaker 1: tried to reinstitute a poll attacks after amendment for a

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01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: past Grant was formally incarcerated people to write to vote

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01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: wells still still exists.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So anyway, reverse migration. That's my solution.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point for a lot of

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01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: state convention.

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Speaker 1: Imagine if all of us moved to Jackson, Mississippi, the

1202
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Republican governor, their tate reeves would have some challenges there.

1203
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't exist, they would he wouldn't be were Yeah,

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: that's true.

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Speaker 18: A lot of the Alabama, Georgia, parts of Florida to

1206
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 18: receive Yeah, uh uh, I mean you name it all

1207
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 18: across the South where black folks have significant numbers.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately they're not at parody. We're certainly not the majority,

1209
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 3: and we don't show up that way electorally. Unfortunately.

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:48,439
Speaker 1: I love his question because I think the last four

1211
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: or five elections haven't been decided by the popular vote,

1212
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Speaker 1: but the electoral.

1213
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Speaker 3: College, and separate to the popular vote.

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Speaker 5: If there were democratic governors, there also wouldn't be these

1215
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 5: migrant crises in the cities in the in the North

1216
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 5: Earth either.

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Speaker 1: Ye, just saying to because we wouldn't be shipping She's

1218
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: saying that because Governor Abbott and Sanda has been shippings

1219
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: off to what they call liberal cities.

1220
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, except, just to make the point clear, Florida didn't

1222
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: actually get it to migrants from Florida. He went to Texas, recruited, Yeah,

1223
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: migrants in Texas, put them on a plane, pay for

1224
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 3: the plane, sent them to Martha's vineyard, political stunt with people.

1225
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Speaker 4: So then nobody say, how come they put me on

1226
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 4: a free plane?

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Speaker 3: Right, nobody, you didn't take people from Florida.

1228
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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a really quick break because I

1229
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: want you all to stick around on the other side

1230
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: of this. Andrew, we are going to hear the rest

1231
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 1: of your testimony.

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01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 2: This is pre tape.

1233
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: This is what Andrew shared last week, but because it

1234
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 1: was so dense, we we want to make sure that

1235
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: you hear his entire testimony. So don't go anywhere after.

1236
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: Right after this break, Andrew will talk about what happened

1237
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 1: after Miami. His next harrowing challenged the trial.

1238
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: I get a call and I'm at my home office

1239
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 3: and the very week after this Sunday of Father's Day

1240
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 3: where I try to be the model of a father

1241
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: you can imagine in this period of time, and the

1242
01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: call comes through and it says, this is agent you

1243
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: know such and such and I calling on behalf of

1244
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: the FBI, or of government, federal government, and I need

1245
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: to get with you because we got a what is

1246
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: it called, a sealed grand jury indictment of you on

1247
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: however man accounts, he says, and I'm not remembering all

1248
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 3: this at the time, and we need to. We need to.

1249
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 3: We just know where you are so you can surrender yourself.

1250
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 3: And I'm in my house and I'm standing up because

1251
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 3: my heart rate is gone up when I hear him

1252
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: introduce himself, and so I'm pacing. And when he says,

1253
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: I have this indictment and we need to I had

1254
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 3: never experienced a breathless moment that I can recall, and

1255
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,479
Speaker 3: I remember not having oxygen, but because he was doing

1256
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: the talk and I wasn't worried about him hearing me

1257
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: lose my breath because I was determined that he wasn't

1258
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 3: going to see me weak. So he says what he says,

1259
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 3: and I say, okay, let me get in touch with

1260
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 3: my attorney. But I'm at my house. My address. I

1261
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 3: can give it to you if you let me know

1262
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: when you're ready to write it down. I can surrender

1263
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 3: myself right now. I just need to make sure everyone's

1264
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: gonna be able to pick up my kids today, because

1265
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 3: the kids and I need to call my mom so

1266
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 3: she would be help arch it because she's gonna be

1267
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 3: overwhelmed to what I call to tell her this. But

1268
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 3: with every strength that I have, I say, Okay, we'll

1269
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 3: get it. And then he says, well, you don't need

1270
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: to come come in. We just need to negotiate a

1271
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 3: time and when you can do it. And da da

1272
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: da dah. Because I've never had this happen before. I think,

1273
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: if you get a thing and they say you gotta go,

1274
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, I'll put on some comfortable clothes and

1275
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: i'll get down to the I don't know, jail house

1276
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 3: or wherever. And he says, no, no, no, no, no,

1277
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: call your lawyer. He'll get in touch with us, and

1278
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 3: so on and so forth. So he was so jubi

1279
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 3: late to deliver that news to me, and I guess

1280
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 3: I confused it when I said, Okay, I'll come right

1281
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 3: in as soon as I can get just want to

1282
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 3: pick my kids up and I can I can get

1283
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 3: somebody here to be here for my wife. And I

1284
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 3: hang up and I make a call to my lawyer.

1285
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 3: They start doing whatever they do on their side, and

1286
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 3: then I make the call to r J and I

1287
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 3: say to Jay, first, Jay, try to stay calm. But

1288
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 3: I just got a call from I think the FBI

1289
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 3: or somebody saying that I have to surrender myself for

1290
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 3: arrest for a federal crime, a grand jury, a sealed

1291
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 3: grand jury indictment. And she says, what you know, and

1292
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 3: you can imagine on the other end with what that

1293
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 3: what that's like. And she immediately comes undone, which was

1294
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 3: my worry. And I don't want her driving across town,

1295
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: racing here to the house because her safety, her life,

1296
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 3: was most important to me at the time. And she

1297
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 3: makes her way home and we all this stuff begins

1298
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 3: to unfold, and I'm really not at this point letting

1299
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 3: any of it penetrate, except there are things that must

1300
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: be put in place if I'm going to be away.

1301
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 3: This needs to say. I start writing on all my accounts.

1302
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: I start this is saying where money and retirement? And oh,

1303
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 3: I thought, such as I said, this document, but I

1304
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 3: want to make sure you have everything you need in case.

1305
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 3: And they said, so we've arranged you're going to surrender

1306
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 3: tomorrow morning. I don't know eight o'clock nine o'clock, and

1307
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 3: you'll go first to the FBI offices, surrender to them.

1308
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: They'll take you into custody, take you to the courthouse

1309
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 3: in their car, and at the courthouse they will surrender

1310
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: you to the US Marshals or the court or something

1311
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 3: some transition and pass off. Then you'll see the judge.

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Speaker 3: The judge will likely release you on your own recount.

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01:06:56,520 --> 01:06:58,680
Speaker 3: There's not a violent crime, but blue collar all this

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01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,600
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. So they're going through it, but just

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01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 3: be prepared. They may purp walk you. I was like, well,

1316
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: what is that? And they described for me that's when

1317
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 3: the cameras are already assembled and they've got you booked

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01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 3: and they walk you through them. And I just lose

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01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 3: it on that because I'm saying, well, why do we

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 3: have to do that is they're not a private way in.

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01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 3: Why do we have to, you know, do this walk thing.

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01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 3: And they said, well, this is how they beat their

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01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:26,360
Speaker 3: chest and show off about what, you know, what they've done,

1324
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:29,120
Speaker 3: and get to have the images that they want. And

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Speaker 3: I am just you know, devastated by this. And at

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01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: this point I said, I need to I need to

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Speaker 3: tell my fami. I've ether tell the people who I

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01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 3: know to be ready for what this is going to

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01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 3: look like. And it was actually Angela who pulled together

1330
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 3: a call and hers was going to be of journalists

1331
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: because her thought was, you tell people news when you

1332
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 3: know it is imminent and it's coming, rather than waiting

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01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 3: for it. And Tiffany, you were on that call. I

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01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: remember you. I remember your voice very clearly in my

1335
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 3: ear even now as I think about it, because you

1336
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 3: were like the injustice. The next morning, I have that evening.

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01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 3: I say to my wife r Jay, and I say

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01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 3: to my mom who is now here, and some other

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: relatives who have gathered that when I surrender myself, that

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01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: I don't want them to be there, that I was

1341
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 3: telling them that tomorrow you cannot come, and everything was

1342
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 3: gonna be fine. The lawyers told me they'll let me

1343
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 3: out and I'll be home before the kids get out

1344
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 3: of school probably, and I said, I'm gonna go by myself.

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01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: I'll have Sam drop me off. I'll take it from there.

1346
01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 3: When it's all done. Sam's gonna bring me back, you know,

1347
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 3: bring me back home, and then we'll decide what to

1348
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: say to the kids. And they, of course are like, no,

1349
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 3: we have to be with you, but they honored my request.

1350
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 3: And then my pastor speaks up and he says, well,

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 3: I'm going with you too. And then my friend, who's

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01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 3: a school board member but a very close friend, Daryl Jones, says,

1353
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 3: and I'm going to I'm Yama bear where both of

1354
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,200
Speaker 3: them We're gonna be with you. So the next morning

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01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 3: they show up at my house and my attorney, one

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01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 3: of the attorneys from Miami, is here, and the pastors here,

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01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 3: and we all pray together at the house. And I

1358
01:09:13,280 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 3: am trying to be as stoic as I can be,

1359
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 3: because I want to leave my family with the knowledge

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01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 3: that I was fine, that we're gonna beat them, and

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01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 3: that God has prepared me for this fight. I know it.

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01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat them. I get in the car, the

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01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 3: pastor and I talking and whatnot, and and I'm noticing,

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01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:38,559
Speaker 3: you know, I live, you know, probably thirty minutes from

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01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 3: that where their headquarters were. And we drove in that

1366
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 3: morning talking and he was trying to cite Scripture in

1367
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 3: verse and I was hearing him, but I was playing along.

1368
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 3: I was not present. I was like, don't cry, keep

1369
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:52,839
Speaker 3: your face together. You are not going to show weakness.

1370
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 3: To anybody not today. And we get to their offices.

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 3: My pastor with me, Darryl comes in with me to

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01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:08,240
Speaker 3: the FBA offices. I surrender myself into them. They take

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01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 3: some things off of me, and I can't remember. I

1374
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 3: think it's my license and some other stuff, and I

1375
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 3: can't have anything on my person. No phones know this.

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01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a suit, but I've got to take the

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 3: belt off and all this other stuff. And so I

1378
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,759
Speaker 3: get right they take me into custody, and I'm thinking,

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01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 3: this is where I leave Pastor and Darryl. They've brought

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01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 3: me to where I have to whatever. And they said,

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01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 3: all right, we're gonna follow you and we're gonna see

1382
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 3: you at the courthouse. And I said okay, And I'm

1383
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, I don't know if they're gonna be

1384
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 3: allowed to I don't know what that looks like. They

1385
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 3: got me to the courthouse. The thing that I had

1386
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 3: girded myself up to prepare for was this perk walk.

1387
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 3: But some people from that call the night before knew

1388
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 3: that that was a big concern of mine, and somehow,

1389
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 3: in God's grace and good movement, I was able to

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01:10:56,520 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 3: be surrendered underground and go up and so on and

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01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,919
Speaker 3: so forth, which I counted as a really big blessing

1392
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 3: because I didn't want my parents there and my family there,

1393
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:08,720
Speaker 3: because I didn't want them to see me every I

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 3: didn't want to see me in handcuffs and then to

1395
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 3: have to be surrendered in that, and I know that

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 3: there will be pictures. I didn't want my kids to

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01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 3: see a picture. I didn't want them to see a

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 3: picture of me like that. And so I knew in

1399
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 3: the federal court, I knew enough from them prepping me

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01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 3: for the press that they couldn't have cameras in the courtroom.

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01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,720
Speaker 3: They could have some images that they draw, but there

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,960
Speaker 3: were no there was no technology. So I felt like, Okay,

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01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 3: I'd be safe once I'm in. Well, there's a holding

1404
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: celle that I go in for several hours and then

1405
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 3: they come in to get me, and this time they

1406
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 3: are they are the marshals are are are cuffing me different.

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01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 3: Now they have put cuffs around my legs and then

1408
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 3: there's a big chain that goes up to my waist.

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 3: That is a big chain and it's cuffed, and then

1410
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 3: my hands have handcuffs. But then those handcuffs have this

1411
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 3: this chain going through it and then that's cuffed again,

1412
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: so my movements are very limited my walk and I'm thinking, say,

1413
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 3: you know, criminal, it's this like there's a lot of stuff.

1414
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,960
Speaker 3: We're just going to the judge and the agent's young

1415
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: girl kind of guys, and I say, well, I guess

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01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: this is as close as I'll ever get to chat

1417
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: old slavery. They have a hum, but they don't speak

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01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:50,479
Speaker 3: any words.

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01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: That testimony, Andrew, Thank you so much. We love you

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01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 1: and you this podcast has been a joy, I think

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01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: for all of us to do alongside you.

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01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: So just simply thank you all for the support. You

1424
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 3: all held me down, not just on this podcast but

1425
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: all the way through. And thank you all the listeners

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01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 3: for your feedback, for your testimonies that you've shared personally

1427
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: and keep choosing to move Yeah, and move.

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01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: Well because you said so much, there's still more that

1429
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,880
Speaker 1: you guys did not hear of his testimonies. So, because

1430
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 1: we think it's so special to us because we love you,

1431
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:41,559
Speaker 1: but also special to you guys because you guys got

1432
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: to know Andrew over the past couple of decades, we

1433
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 1: are releasing his third part of his testimony as its

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01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: own standalone pod because your response.

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01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,520
Speaker 2: To your response to it was overwhelming.

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01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 1: So you guys will be able to get that on

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01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 1: this coming Monday. Okay, it is that time in the

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01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,839
Speaker 1: show for call to action. Do I go first or Andrew?

1439
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: Maybe Andrew you should go first.

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 5: You a man, You don't know what your call action is?

1441
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 3: What is no?

1442
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 4: I got my call to action?

1443
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 5: Okay you go, Okay, come on, it's my call action,

1444
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:23,760
Speaker 5: joy Read.

1445
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,280
Speaker 2: So my called action really is about love.

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01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 1: By the time we come back to you, guys, Valentine's

1447
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: Day would have come and gone. And so when we

1448
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 1: do all this work, all of us, we are out

1449
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: here hidden pavement, doing grassroots work, doing policy work. And

1450
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: it is nice to have a partner in life. You

1451
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: talk a lot about our day and your testimony, but

1452
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 1: to have somebody alongside you hold your hand and fall

1453
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: in love. And joy Read explore that aspect of Medgar

1454
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 1: and Evers. And she has her book drops this week.

1455
01:14:58,200 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 2: It's out, it's out, it's out.

1456
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: So she did the view with our girl Sonny on Monday.

1457
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: She did tammeron show. So please go out and buy

1458
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: this book. You can get it everywhere books are, So

1459
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:10,880
Speaker 1: we encourage you to go to your independent bookstores, black

1460
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,479
Speaker 1: owned bookstore. Shout out to Uncle Bobby's in Philly, mark

1461
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: lemont Hills store. You can order it online from independent stores.

1462
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:23,520
Speaker 1: So that's my call to action. I'm asking Edgar and Meg.

1463
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,919
Speaker 2: And some love in your life.

1464
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 4: Your first.

1465
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,080
Speaker 2: Love yourself first. That is my lesson this. We love

1466
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,640
Speaker 2: yourself first, all right, Andrew.

1467
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:37,480
Speaker 3: Love yourself and go get the book.

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01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,000
Speaker 5: Okay, So I'm just going to add on I love yourself,

1469
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 5: go get the book. And in the spirit of loving

1470
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 5: Black History Month, we are sitting with living Black history.

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01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 4: What are we doing?

1472
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 5: Well, you knocked her out, but guess what we are

1473
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 5: celebrating Tiffany Cross Week all week.

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01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 18: Yeah.

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01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 4: And so my call to action is for all of

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01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 4: you to send our girls some birthday love. Tell her

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01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 4: happy birth Tell her.

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 5: Just because she is sharing forty five with Donald Trump,

1479
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 5: she does not have to become Donald Trump. Tell her

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01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 5: that her destiny is going to be greater than hers

1481
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 5: and she will not have ninety one indictments or even one.

1482
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 5: Tell her that she will not face a civil trial

1483
01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 5: for defamation. Tell her that instead she will live abundantly

1484
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:30,439
Speaker 5: in all of the goodness.

1485
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 4: And loaded we love you.

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01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 5: Tip I wanted to shave Donald Trump in this, but

1487
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 5: I do want to say. I do want to say

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01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 5: that I'm so grateful for your birth I am so

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01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 5: grateful to call you sister. I'm so thankful to share

1490
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,879
Speaker 5: this platform with you. I am so glad and grateful

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,960
Speaker 5: that your latter years will be greater than your former years.

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01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 4: And yeah, birthday tip.

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01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 1: This birthday, I'll display quickly, this birthday would not be

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01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 1: what it is without our friendship. All of you guys,

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01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,440
Speaker 1: I will say, are we love everybody?

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01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 4: Our girl group?

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01:17:05,680 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 2: Our group chat.

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01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 1: Has held me up so many times, and so I

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01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 1: really encouraged people to find you sisters. Who ride for you?

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01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 1: Who you ride for Because when I think about love

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01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 1: in my life, the most abundant places where I get

1502
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: love is our our group chat. You know, like either,

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01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't post a picture without them saying

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01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:23,120
Speaker 1: you so fine.

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01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,839
Speaker 2: You know, we are always loving to other birthdays.

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01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 1: We give nice gifts to each other, so I feel

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01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: very loved. I expect to feel a lot more love

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 1: from you and you when we go eat after this.

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: You have been talking about my gray hair.

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 3: Well, pointing out I got grace everywhere.

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01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,920
Speaker 1: Yes, well, Andrew hate my headphones. I'm gonna get her

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:47,720
Speaker 1: some airpos for her birthday.

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01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 4: Birthday, yea, some airpris.

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01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: We change the size.

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01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,000
Speaker 4: I don't like. I don't like this change. Oh you're

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01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 4: saying for the airpis. I agree.

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01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 2: I like that chain. Well anyway, We.

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01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 4: We love you J.

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01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 2: We love you ur J.

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01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 1: Before we end the show, I want to remind everyone

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01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: to leave us a review and subscribe to Native land Pod.

1522
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: We're available on all platforms and YouTube. New episodes drop

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01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: every Thursday. You can also follow us on social media.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela Rie, Tiffany Cross, and Andrew Gillum. Welcome home, y'all,

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Speaker 1: Welcome home. There are two hundred and seventy days until

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Speaker 1: election day. Native land Pod is the production of iHeartRadio

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