1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm dog Gottie. This is All Ball. 2 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 2: We have a great todd for you in this version 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: a little different. Okay, the biggest name in sports memorabilia 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: in the United States maybe the world is going to 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: join me and we're going to talk about his what 6 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: he believes is the most valuable collection, not an individual 7 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: piece in the history of sports memorabilia. What is it 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: and why does it relate to All Ball? Every uniform 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 2: game use authenticated uniform from at least one game with 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: the Dream Team in ninety two. It's pretty cool, right, 11 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: And of course what's interesting about the Dream Team. 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: In ninety two? 13 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: And I want to share with you kind of a 14 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: little personal perspective I have on it because I played 15 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: in Russia. 16 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: And when I played in Russia, I played for you know. 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 2: The head coach was Sergei Beloff, who was actually the 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: best player on the seventy two Russian Olympic team that 19 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 2: stole the gold medal from US, right, and the assistant 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,839 Speaker 2: coach was of Voldes Komichas, who was on the eighty 21 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: eight Russian team. Albeit made up of like r Vita, 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: Simonis and Kolmichis were Lithuanians. At the time Lithuania part 23 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: of the Soviet Union, and those two games, teams experiences 24 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: are what led us to sending our NBA players, which 25 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 2: became the Dream Team, which dramatically changed the Olympics, and 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it changed it actually for the better. 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: I think the globalization of the NBA happened at that 28 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: very moment, and both magic and not just Michael Jordan, 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: have you Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, who had saved the 30 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: league be a part of it. 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: Was gigantic. 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: But I would also point out that, you know, I 33 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: didn't mind us sending our amateurs, you know, like it's 34 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,519 Speaker 2: now to the point where if they lose, it's the 35 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: bigger story. And I like the idea of sending you know, 36 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: maybe put tapping it at twenty five years old. Is 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: it really that important that we always win where we 38 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 2: might get behind a team of younger players and it 39 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: might help grow the game domestically. 40 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer to it is. 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: But those games were not competitive and the world has 42 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: maybe not caught up completely. But it's pretty obvious if 43 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: you watch the NBA playoffs, especially centers, you know, but 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: you watch the NBA playoffs, you start to understand how 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: many players are born internationally. I mean, obviously maybe the 46 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: the untold story is Canadian basketball and how that is 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: exploded watching Jamal Murray going back to last night, I mean, 48 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,679 Speaker 2: he's he's just the tip of the iceberg. Obviously last 49 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: year was Andrew Wiggins, you name it. Canadian basketball is 50 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 2: very much a part of the NBA, but the international 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: game has caught very close to catching up. Are just 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: depth of athletic talent and skill continues to carry us. 53 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: But you know, if we didn't have. 54 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Kevin Durant last time, we probably don't win the gold medal, 55 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: you know, either the last two times or Kobe Bryant 56 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 2: or Lebron James and the redeem team. But it's interesting that, 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: you know, so many people talk about the ninety two 58 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: Olympic team and they failed to talk about what led 59 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 2: us to that place right where we lost to the Russians. 60 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: And frankly that the problem was in the late great 61 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: John Thompson was the coach was USA basketball and still 62 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 2: a little bit this way was seen as very political 63 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 2: in taking you know, Georgetown guys and Duke guys and 64 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: who's ever coaches or involved in USA basketball, that's who 65 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: play on the Olympic team, and then you'd have a 66 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: couple of the best players in college basketball. And it 67 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: was also a flawed roster, one that was built more 68 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: for American basketball than for international basketball. So I think 69 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting points that aren't made about 70 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:19,040 Speaker 2: how the flaws of the eighty eight Olympic team really 71 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: led us to ninety two. And ninety two became a 72 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 2: huge win for the game globally, but it also kind 73 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: of surrendered to the fact that our younger players can't compete, 74 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 2: which I actually think they can now. Many of them 75 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 2: now obviously are in the pros at a younger age 76 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: than they were back then. But there's no reason that 77 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: we can't build a national team, which we've done, of 78 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 2: younger players and be willing to, hey, maybe lose the 79 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: game in the effort of competitiveness, although if you watch 80 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: the last Olympic games, several of those games were in 81 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: fact competitive. 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: So anyway, we'll talk about that. 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 2: With the Dream Team uniforms that are up for auction 84 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 2: now and are available at Golden Auctions upcoming. But let's 85 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 2: quickly get into the a couple of NBA draft things 86 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: we have to take a breath on the hype train 87 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 2: with Victor webin Yama. I'm not sure, maybe I will 88 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: on the email or the text chain, but we've gotten 89 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: to this place where Adrian Warjanowski, who and I'm sure 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: plenty of basketball people listen to, should run back to 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 2: Woje and say, well, gottlieb No like, look, I actually 92 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 2: like and respect Woje. We've got a good friendship and 93 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 2: line of communication, but the most the highest rated prospect 94 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: in the history of sports. 95 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: Like, what are what are exactly what are we doing here? 96 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: You know? 97 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: I mean, look, if we're honest with ourselves, Luca a 98 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 2: couple of years ago was the best player in Europe, 99 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 2: you know, and he wasn't nineteen years old, won a 100 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: europe He had won a European championship, you know, with 101 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: his country, and a EuroLeague championship with his professional team. 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: So whether or not he was the physical freak weban 103 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: Yama he is not. The fact is as a basketball 104 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: player and an internationally hyph prospect international basketball, I think 105 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: would have said, well, I mean he's more highly touted, 106 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 2: more high you know, he's accomplished more and he's already 107 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 2: considered rightfully, so one of the best players in the NBA. 108 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: Then you go to I mean, in terms of domestic hype, 109 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: I mean, didn't we just have Zion Williamson who had 110 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 2: three million YouTube followers when he was in high school. 111 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: And I'll grant you he's not again, he's not seven 112 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: foot five, but he's also kind of a physical freak 113 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 2: and people were fascinated by him. And of course he 114 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 2: played at Duke. And I've said this before, he made 115 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Duke any other Duke traditional Duke haters out there, he 116 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 2: made do likable, played with a smile on his face. 117 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Amazing kid. Now he hasn't lived up to it because 118 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 2: of the injuries and the weight. But we're just talking 119 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: about prospects coming in. Ben Simmons was as highly touted 120 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: and rated a prospect as we have seen. And then 121 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 2: of course Lebron James. My first draft I did on 122 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: ESPN Radio was in two thousand and three, and everyone 123 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: knew who Lebron James was. That was back when Sports 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: Illustrated still mattered, the cover still mattered. 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: He was in the cover in high school. 126 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 2: You know, he changed everything and he was ready to 127 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: play and he was far and away the number one prospect, 128 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: and that was a loaded draft, as we all come 129 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: to know. 130 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 3: So I just just it's okay to say, hey, look, 131 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: he has the potential to accomplish just about anything because 132 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: he has so many things that we got to check off. 133 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: We don't know what he looks what it looks like 134 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: in American style basketball, We don't know what it looks 135 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 2: like when he puts on twenty five pounds. We don't 136 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: know what it looks like in the NBA playing against 137 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 2: grown men. 138 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: And while we. 139 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: Can project like look projection of he's got a chance 140 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: to be a great player. But there's been a lot 141 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: of great players and great talents that have come in 142 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: the NBA and have had good careers, made a lot 143 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: of money and not been first ballot Hall of Famers 144 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: that we expect them to win multiple titles. Like let's 145 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: just slow down a bit and say, wow, the Spurs 146 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 2: are the luckiest, most fortunate franchise in the NBA, and 147 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: that they've done this three times, the tanking thing, and 148 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: it got them David Robinson, Tim Duncan, and now it 149 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 2: gets some Victor Web in Yama. 150 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: It's amazing. Amazon. 151 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: In regards to the NBA playoffs, I just I guess 152 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 2: by not being able to figure out the Celtics helps 153 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: me figure out the Celtics. They're just a team that 154 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: goes through times in which they just kind of play 155 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: basketball and don't seem to have a ton of focus 156 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: and don't know who they are, and then there are 157 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: times in which they look like the best team in 158 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: the league. Meanwhile, the Heat people are looking for a 159 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: comp with Jimmy Butler, and I think the comp's really easy. 160 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: That's Dwayne Wade. I Dwayne Wade. 161 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: Not a great shooter, but he would make big shots, 162 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 2: kind of only went right, but he couldn't stop them 163 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 2: going right. No real position, maybe not game in, game out, 164 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: the greatest defender in the world, but incredibly competitive in 165 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: the biggest of moments, and incredibly tough. I think I 166 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 2: think Jimmy Butler's dayne Wade. You know, Dwayne Wade had 167 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: the one year he led the league in scoring, but 168 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 2: outside of that, he was the twenty two to twenty 169 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: three a night guy. That's the same as Jimmy Butler. 170 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: Not some sort of guy who can carry you the 171 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 2: whole season scoring wise, but when Bush comes to shove, 172 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: there might not be anybody who gets more out of 173 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: who he is than Jimmy Butler in these in these matchups. 174 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: I'll get to my thoughts on Lakers and Nuggets in 175 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: the next pod, which will drop very very soon. But 176 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: the meantime, what if I told you that the most 177 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: valuable and prized collection in the history of sports is 178 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: available for you to bid on. 179 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: With that, let's get to our conversation Ken. Obviously, sports 180 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: memorabilia is what you do. Now. 181 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: When did it start? When did your passion for sports, 182 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 2: specifically in sports Millonabillia begin. 183 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: God, So, I grew up in South Jersey, outside of Philly, 184 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 4: and I was always always a baseball fan. I mean 185 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 4: the earliest, the earliest memory I probably have of something 186 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: going on in baseball maybe when I was six years 187 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 4: old when Steve Carlton was traded to the Phillies and 188 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 4: had that unbelievable season in nineteen seventy two when the 189 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 4: Phillies were absolutely horrible. Otherwise that's probably my earliest retained 190 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 4: sports memory. But you know, I've always been a big 191 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: sports fan. I'm always has been pretty much baseball first, 192 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 4: basketball second, then football, hockey. But as far as collecting, 193 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 4: I started collecting as a kid, probably like an eight 194 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 4: year old kid buying, you know, or not me buying, 195 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 4: but having you know, my dad buy packs the baseball 196 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 4: cards and opened them up. But I made my first 197 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 4: business transaction when I was twelve years old with a 198 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 4: friend of mine. 199 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so tell me about the transaction. 200 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 4: Sure, So I had. We were at my house and 201 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 4: in my basement I had this electric race car set, 202 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 4: you know, with tracks and you know, the fancy little 203 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: cars they used to have back in the late nineteen seventies, 204 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 4: and he really wanted it, and somehow we agreed to 205 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 4: trade his baseball card collection from my electric race car set. 206 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 4: And he had thousands of baseball cards, so, you know, 207 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 4: he packed up my cars. I went to his house 208 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: and we packed up his cards and we traded cars 209 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 4: for cards, and that started me out in business. I 210 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 4: guess I got the better of the deal. There were 211 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 4: no price guides back then. There were no cell phones, 212 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: there was no internet, you know, there's no way to 213 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 4: tell you know what the stuff was worth. But I 214 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 4: figured it was he was getting a good deal. And 215 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 4: then about a year later I sorted them all out. 216 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 4: And about a year later I was at a flea 217 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: market with my dad on a Sunday, and you know, 218 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 4: this guy looking like you know lately, you know, nineteen 219 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty one something like that, went to the dealer 220 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: you know who had some cards and said, hey, do 221 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 4: you buy and he goes yeah. He goes, can I 222 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 4: bring stuff over for you to look at? And he goes, no, 223 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 4: it's my busy day. Can you go back during the week? 224 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: And the guy said, you know, I won't be around 225 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: during the week. I'm reporting to the army. So I 226 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: told my dad to follow him. We followed him, and 227 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 4: in my little squeaky thirteen year old voice, I asked 228 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 4: the guy, can I see your cards? And he took 229 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 4: us over to his car, opened up the trunk, and 230 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 4: heed these six giant hefty bags full of cards. And 231 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 4: I said, what do you want? He said one hundred bucks. 232 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: Look at my dad and said pay him. My dad 233 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 4: did not have one hundred dollars in his wallet. He 234 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,319 Speaker 4: had seventy dollars in cash. I took the cash out 235 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 4: of my dad's hands, handed it to the guy and 236 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 4: so will you take seventy? He took seventy. We backed 237 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: my dad's car up back to it, loaded the cards 238 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 4: into the trunk, and I proceeded to disappear in my parents' 239 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,079 Speaker 4: basement for the next three months, sorting out every single 240 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 4: thing I had. And then I said, okay, fine, I've 241 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 4: got all the good stuff. I separated what I did 242 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 4: not want to keep and said, now what do I do? 243 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 4: So I figured out back in you know, nineteen seventy, 244 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: nineteen seventy eight, you know, seventy nine, how to try 245 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 4: and sell these cards and how to find out what 246 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 4: they're worth. And that's what got me started. 247 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 1: And how'd you do that? 248 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: Because because I'll give you my my brief card collecting 249 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:55,119 Speaker 2: history as I as you know, in the late eighties, 250 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 2: there was kind of a there was kind of a 251 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 2: boon on him right right, a little run on him 252 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 2: as when back at Monthly came out, right, which was 253 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: the the guide to the values for the baseball cards. 254 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: There was also garbage pail kids were incredibly popular and 255 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: those became bared bartered as well. So yeah, I would 256 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 2: I would get I would get my Beckett. I would 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 2: go to Angels Stadium. There's five dollars to be in 258 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 2: the family section. And the family section was, you know, 259 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: in the left of the left field bleacher seeds kind 260 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: of in the old Anheim Stadium, and when it used 261 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 2: to be, you know, fully for kind of baseball only, 262 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: and then you know there was like a there's like 263 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: not lecessarily a fencing, but a way to keep you 264 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: out from you know, being uh being down the foul line, 265 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: you know, on the field level, and I'd speak around that, 266 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: and you know, before the game, you get there batting practice, 267 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: you get autographs which would increase the could increase the 268 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: value depending upon the card, or you have some other 269 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 2: kind of autographs. And then after the game you'd also 270 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: wait for Angels for autographs when they would come out. 271 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 2: Actually snuck into the Angels dugout after a game one 272 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: time and before security he could get me escorted out. 273 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 2: Jim Abbott, who had been Rookie of the year, the 274 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: one arm pitcher. I remember, instead of signing my becket, 275 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: he gave me his own photo and signed it and 276 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 2: told the guys not to arrest me. 277 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: So that's fine. 278 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: But I also had I had tons of baseball cards, 279 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: and prior to this, I didn't have the knowledge of 280 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: their value. And so we would come to we had 281 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: we had a deal at school where we could get 282 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: Levita Vikings Bucks, and I sold my cards, and I 283 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: think I had like some Pete Roses, you know, they 284 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 2: weren't well capped or whatever. But I had some a 285 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 2: ton of baseball cards from the early eighties that I 286 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: parted ways with. Okay, so it's nineteen seventy nine and 287 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: you separate all these cards, how'd you figure out what 288 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 2: the values were? 289 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 4: So I bought a Sporting news and they had these 290 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 4: classifieds in the back of the Sporting News, so you know, 291 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 4: there were no price guides, but there are a couple 292 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 4: of dealers. So I contacted the dealers and asked for 293 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: a catalog, and then I would I would see what 294 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 4: they were selling stuff at and figure out, Okay, my stuff, 295 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 4: it looks similar. And then I saw an advertisement back, 296 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: you know, for something called The Trader Speaks, which is 297 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 4: a publication that no longer exists, and a publication called 298 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 4: Sports Collector's Digest. So I subscribed to both of them, 299 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 4: and then I started placing mail order ads in both 300 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: publications to sell cards and I would, you know, sort 301 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 4: them out, list them for sale, list the condition there 302 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: was there was no grading companies. This was twenty we 303 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 4: forget Beckett. This was probably I think PSA graded the 304 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: first card in the early nineties, so this is probably 305 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 4: thirteen years before the first ever trading card was graded. 306 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 4: You know, I just said, Okay, this is VG, this 307 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: is x ment, you know, whatever the case may be. 308 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 4: And I started selling mail order set up in local 309 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 4: shows with my dad, and you know, we just kept 310 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 4: buying and uh, you know, buying and selling pretty much 311 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 4: all through all through junior high school and high school. 312 00:17:15,320 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: And so where'd you go to college? 313 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 4: I went to GW and then I transferred to Drexel 314 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 4: when I started my business. 315 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: So was it the collecting business you started? 316 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I started. I started a company called Scoreboard, 317 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 4: which actually the main business was we manufactured trading cards, 318 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 4: and I started that with my father in nineteen eighty seven. 319 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: I remember Scoreboard trading cards, of course, that was right, 320 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 2: that was that was a Scoreboard upper deck. 321 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: Yep. 322 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 4: You remember do you remember the classes draft pick cards 323 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 4: with Shaquille O'Neal, And every year we have all the 324 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 4: top draft picks that I produced. That's what I produced. Well, 325 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: I produced WWF Wrestling, and we produced the NFL Pro 326 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 4: line brand and the whole everything else. 327 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: What was the in the obviously baseball cards have always 328 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: been the gold standard. What was the breakdown in popularity 329 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: then between WWF, NBA, NFL. 330 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I think I would I just personally would be interested 331 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: in it. 332 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: What's the breakdown in terms of what became the hot 333 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: the hot ticket item. 334 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 4: Wow, So in for general cards, for normal cards in 335 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 4: the late nineteen eighties, baseball was probably eighty five percent 336 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: of the market. In the nineties, you know, when Upper 337 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 4: Decks started making basketball cards and then they had Michael 338 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 4: Jordan on that boxes, and then when Shaquille O'Neil came 339 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 4: to the NBA, I would say that it probably you know, 340 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: the NBA spiked in value a bit, so you know 341 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 4: that at that point in the nineties it was probably 342 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 4: sixty percent baseball and forty percent everything else. Like if 343 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: you remember when eighty six Flier came out, you couldn't 344 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 4: give eighty six Flaer basketball out. You couldn't give that 345 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: stuff away. Eighty six Flaer baseball people were like bribing 346 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 4: wholesalers to get allocations. But when eighty six basketball came out, 347 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 4: they sat on the shelves and like two years later 348 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 4: you could buy a box for like four hours and 349 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 4: ninety nine cents at a stir called KB Twain hobby 350 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 4: that you know is no longer around. 351 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: So now those basketball cards more valuable than the baseball 352 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 2: cards for the eighties or. 353 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, basketball cards are the only thing. Basketball cards are 354 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 4: literally the only cards producing in the nineteen eighties that 355 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 4: pretty much have value. 356 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: Baseball cards are not. 357 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, the so many of them, they made so 358 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 4: many of them. Remember there was only one brand. So 359 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 4: eighty six fleeer Basketball is very popular, and then you 360 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 4: got eighty seven. You got eighty eight is popular because 361 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 4: you've got stocked in rookie. You've got Pippin's rookie and 362 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 4: you know, and some other others like that. It's not stocking, 363 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 4: but you've got you know, Pippin and Reggie Miller and 364 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 4: some other rookies. But the eighty six eighty, if I'd 365 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: say probably starting in nineteen eighty two, it was just 366 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 4: so much over proliferation of baseball cards and then you 367 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 4: were tops. You would fleer. You had donners making cards. 368 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,479 Speaker 4: So the eighties through probably nineteen ninety three, eighty one 369 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 4: through ninety three is really like a dead era in 370 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 4: baseball cards, where very few cards have value. You have 371 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 4: some football cards at a value from the eighties, like 372 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 4: Joe Montanna's Rookie, John Elway Rookie, you know, Dan Arena 373 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: Rookie cards like that. But basketball, You've got a lot 374 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 4: of basketball cards that have value through the nineteen eighties, obviously, 375 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 4: with the key being the nineteen eighty six Fleer Michael 376 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 4: Jordan and the nineteen eighty four Star Michael Jordan Rookie. 377 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 5: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 378 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 5: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 379 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 5: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 380 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 5: listen live. 381 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 2: The seventy nine basement, yep, was the what was the prize? 382 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 2: What was the of the cards? What was the greatest 383 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: one that was in there when you finally went and 384 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: broke them apart? 385 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 4: Well, I would say probably there were baseball cards from 386 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,720 Speaker 4: the nineteen fifties in there, so there are probably some, 387 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: you know, like nineteen fifty eight All Star Mickey Mantle cards. 388 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 4: Probably a bunch of Mickey Mantle cards from the nineteen 389 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 4: sixties as well. 390 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: Wow. 391 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, And how long did you hold on them for it? Oh? 392 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: God? 393 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: I sold them all too early. I ended up selling 394 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 4: my a large part of my initial collection in nineteen 395 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 4: eighty seven, actually when we started Scoreboard, because Scoreboard was 396 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 4: public and my dad didn't think it would be good 397 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 4: for me to have a collection. You know that where 398 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 4: since Republic that people might say, okay, what, how is 399 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 4: that distracting from his business? So I sold most of 400 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 4: my stuff. Most of those cards were gone to nineteen ninety, 401 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 4: I would say, so, yeah, I really I did fine. 402 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 4: I know, put myself through school, I bought my first car, 403 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: I paid off my student loans. But you know, I 404 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: didn't do nearly what I would have done had I 405 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: held them all. 406 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: So now what's your prize possession? Now? 407 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 4: My prize possession is a game used bat used by 408 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: Babe Ruth during his sixty home run season in nineteen 409 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 4: twenty seven. 410 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: How did you acquire that? 411 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: I actually got it and got it from Reggie Jackson. 412 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 4: What had happened was that that bat was originally, you know, 413 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: owned that was owned by Babe Ruth. He kept it 414 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 4: when he passed, it went to his wife, Claire Ruth, 415 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: and then when the Babe Ruth Museum opened in nineteen 416 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: seventy two, she donated it to the museum. And you know, 417 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 4: I guess at some point during the financial crisis two 418 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 4: thousand and eight, nobody was going to the museum and 419 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 4: Reggie cut a deal with the museum that you know, 420 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 4: helps stay him afloat, and you know, he got the 421 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 4: bat for it. And then like eight years later, I 422 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 4: bought it from Reggie. 423 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: What is it worth? 424 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 3: Uh? 425 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 4: Seven? I wouldn't want to speculate how high, but it's 426 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 4: it's it's over a million. 427 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 1: Wow. How where do you keep it? 428 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 4: I keep it in a there is a secure collector's 429 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 4: vault in in tax free Delaware, and all my high 430 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 4: end items I keep there, which is under twenty four 431 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 4: hour arm guard and security, and uh, you know, it 432 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: has insurance. 433 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 2: For up to a billion dollars and that's your like 434 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: break glass in case of emergency if everything goes bad, 435 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: this is what I'm gonna use. 436 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. So, like most of it's one of the it's 437 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,239 Speaker 4: one of those places that it's one of those the 438 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 4: fat vault is, you know, kind of like the Fort 439 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 4: Knox of the hobby. But yeah, no, I don't. I 440 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 4: don't think my wife, you know, my son's called. I 441 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 4: got a nine year old son who's really to baseball, 442 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 4: and I'm sure that I will pass that down to 443 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 4: him and whatever he decides to do with it is 444 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 4: his business. 445 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: Wow, So there's no number no, probably not, probably not not, 446 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: it's not definitely not, probably not, of course definitely. 447 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 448 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,919 Speaker 4: You know something is if something ever crazy happens, you know, 449 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 4: I'm I'm sure I can use the money and use 450 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 4: the money and you know, get him something great from 451 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 4: a player who actually cares about you know, I know 452 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 4: I don't and he's not you know, Babe Ruth, bab 453 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: you know nine year old boys that they aren't you know, 454 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 4: they aren't necessarily fans of Babe Ruth and Mickey Mantle, 455 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 4: although he although he definitely has a uh has a 456 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 4: historic knowledge of baseball, and you know every time he 457 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 4: plays travel ball when available, he picks uniform number seven 458 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: after Mickey Mantle. 459 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: There you go, commerce commerce commerce comment. 460 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, now you have Is it a dream king uniform 461 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: of Michael Jordan? 462 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 4: Yes? So, Uh. The first thing I want to say is, hey, 463 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 4: if anybody out there is into sports, the big the 464 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 4: big news is that you know, we Netflix dropped a 465 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 4: TV show about myself, my business, my life, and my 466 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 4: company at the end of April. It's called King of Collectibles, 467 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 4: The Golden Touch and in one of those episodes, you 468 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: see you know's it's a lot of great stuff about collectibles. 469 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 4: It's not it's mostly sports. It is not all sports. 470 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 4: We have comics, we have entertainment. I know, it's Britney Spears, 471 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 4: there's Madonna, there's presidential stuff. But and then you know, 472 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 4: we've got guests which include you know, Logan, Paul who's 473 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 4: doing Pokemon, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Mike Tyson, Rick Flair. 474 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: And in one of those episodes, I fly out to 475 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 4: Salt Lake City to meet Carl Maloney and it turns 476 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 4: out that after the in the metal round, after the 477 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 4: gold medal game, Carl and his wife went around to 478 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: all eleven other players and collected their uniforms. So I 479 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: fly out to Salt Lake Salt Lake City, Utah, and 480 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 4: all of the all of this, all all this as 481 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 4: it's happening, was recorded live on the King of Collectibles 482 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 4: Netflix series. So I meet Carl and he takes us 483 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 4: to this hallway in his auto dealership in middle of Utah, 484 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 4: and it's a it's a private area, and all along 485 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 4: the wall he has these massive display cases filled with 486 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 4: an actual jersey and the actual sneakers worn by every 487 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 4: member of the nineteen ninety two Dream Team, you know, 488 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: Jordan Byrd, Magic Barkley and all the rest, and their 489 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 4: actual sneakers that everybody personalized it to Carl. And it 490 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 4: turns out that these are the only known, existing, actual 491 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 4: game used jerseys of every member of the ninety two 492 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 4: Dream Team. And look there, and let me explain what 493 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,199 Speaker 4: I mean by that. There's something that we do in 494 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 4: the business that's called photo matching, okay, where you you know, 495 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 4: you pay a third party authenticator to forensically go into 496 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 4: basically the videos of the basketball games during the during 497 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 4: the Olympics and pinpoint exactly what day and what game 498 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 4: these jerseys were worn. And it turns out they were 499 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: all worn in the semi final match against Lithuania, all 500 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 4: twelve of them. And it's nineteen ninety two memorability isn't 501 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 4: worth the you know, the isn't the billion dollar business 502 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 4: it is now. And you know, Carl and his wife 503 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: just asked for them and they all gave it to him. 504 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 4: So we have you know, to me, if I if 505 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: I can only own one Michael Jordan jersey, it would 506 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 4: be as Dream Team jersey because you think about all 507 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 4: the bull stuff. You know, yeah, he won six championships, 508 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 4: but there's amazing Michael Jordan moments from all six of 509 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 4: those championships, and he played over thirty games in the 510 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: NBA finals. You think about the Dream Team. To me, 511 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 4: the ninety two Dream Team is the single most important 512 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 4: sports team, not basketball team, single most important sports team 513 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: in the history of modern sports because it brought basketball 514 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 4: to the world. You know, back in ninety two, you 515 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 4: would not have some foreign you know, a foreign player 516 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 4: being projected, drafting, drafted number one overall in the NBA. 517 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 4: It just wasn't happening. So it opened the entire world's 518 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: eyes to basketball, and it drove all these countries to 519 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 4: build big programs so they can be like Jordan, they 520 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 4: can be like Magic, they can be like Barkley and 521 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 4: Malone and Pippin and all the rest of them. So 522 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: to me, you know, and that jersey and all twenty 523 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: four items, twelve jerseys and twelve basketball twelve jerseys and 524 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 4: twelve game you sneakers are all live right now at 525 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 4: Golden Auctions at Golden dot com forbidding in the Dream 526 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 4: Team auction, and we literally bill it nineteen ninety two 527 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 4: Dream Team auction as seen on Netflix, and it's just 528 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 4: it's to me, it's the most historic collection that we've 529 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 4: ever handled. 530 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: Now, you sell them individually or do you sell them collectively? 531 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 4: Well, we're selling them individually. And here's the reason is that, 532 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 4: you know, my job as an auctioneer is to get 533 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: the highest possible price from my consigner. So if you 534 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 4: take all twelve Dream Team jerseys and all twelve Dream 535 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: Team game you sneakers and sell them is one lot. 536 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 4: It is a really expensive lot. You know, it's probably 537 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 4: going to be an eight figure a lot ten million plus, right, 538 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: And what that does is it really eliminates. It narrows 539 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 4: down to literally maybe three or four potential bidders or 540 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 4: a handful of potential bidders. Meanwhile, there may be somebody 541 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 4: out there who is willing to dramatically overpay for Clyde 542 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: Drexler's stuff or John Stocked and stuff, where Scottie Pippen stuff, 543 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 4: and that they would pay significantly more than the guy 544 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: buying the entire package. Or in his mind, you know, 545 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 4: I'm getting Jordan Magic Bird. I'm really not even as 546 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 4: signing of value to anybody else. So the way to 547 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 4: get it into the most hands, and the way to 548 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: get the highest price for my consigner is to sell 549 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 4: all twenty four individually. Now, if there is somebody wants 550 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 4: to keep the collection together, all they have to do 551 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: is bid and win on all twenty four locks. 552 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: Well, the Christian lightner is thinking jersey sell bro Of course, 553 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: this guy saw it. 554 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 4: They all have. 555 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: It's actually an interesting one because you know, it's it's 556 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: like one of those because he's kind of an afterthought, 557 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 2: despite the fact that you know, in modern college basketball, 558 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 2: he's the he has arguably the greatest career of the 559 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: history of modern college basketball. 560 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: Yep. 561 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 2: But because he's kind of an afterthought, I just didn't 562 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 2: know if the value that value might actually spike. 563 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: It's because of its dream his dream team stuff. Look, 564 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 4: I don't think that any traditional NBA game war jersey 565 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: of Christian Laytoner would probably go for over five grand. 566 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 4: But because this is a dream team and it's the 567 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 4: only one, it wouldn't shock me if it went for 568 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: one hundred thousand. And let me explain everybody where I 569 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: say only one, because they may search the internet and say, oh, 570 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 4: there's been three other people that have sold to Christian 571 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 4: Layightner jersey. There have been three other people who've sold 572 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 4: to Michael Jordan Dream Team jersey. They are not authenticated 573 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 4: and photo match, which means that somebody could they could 574 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 4: be sold, but those jerseys were never actually matched to 575 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 4: a game. So they could be worn in practice, they 576 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 4: could be worn as a backup, they could never honestly, 577 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 4: you know that the Michael Jordan could never have laid 578 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,479 Speaker 4: his hand on that jersey, and somebody was selling it, 579 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 4: you know as you know, as a replica, so you know, 580 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 4: a replica as a game warn So these are the 581 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 4: only authenticated and then you look at the provenance. Every 582 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 4: one of these was personally given to carllone. Everyone in 583 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 4: these has a little note to Carl, like Michael Jordan, 584 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 4: like I think Ewing wrote a nice long note, It's 585 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 4: been amazing playing with you, blah blah blah Michael Jordan. 586 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 4: You know, and Carl's relationship, if you didn't know, he 587 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 4: has always been kind of kind of cold. So Michael 588 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 4: just wrote to Carl, good luck Michael Jordan, and that's 589 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 4: what he wrote. 590 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: You know, where is that on the jersey? 591 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 4: It's written every jury, every single jersey is personally inscribed 592 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 4: to Carmel and so you know that these are the 593 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 4: real thing. They came directly from Carl. The players were 594 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 4: giving them to Carl to keep and and Carl, you know, 595 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 4: every jersey is personally hand signed to Carl. 596 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 2: Okay, so I guess the player And now this is 597 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 2: not I mean, and this is why is Carl selling them. 598 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 4: Carl is selling them because Carl is selling his collection. 599 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 4: You know, later in the year, we're going to have 600 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 4: other stuff coming for sale by Carl, including his game 601 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 4: more equipment and his you know NBA finals. But you know, 602 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 4: let's face it. You know, when Carl was given it, 603 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 4: you know, he didn't really think about his money. But 604 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,239 Speaker 4: right now, you know this, this sets his family up 605 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 4: for life. 606 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: When does the When do these items close? 607 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 4: May twenty fourth, Wednesday, May twenty fourth, at nine pm? 608 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: What is your white Whale? Oh? 609 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 4: God? For me, it would be something real that I 610 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 4: can absolutely verify as real. That was uh, you know warnant, 611 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 4: you know, worn by Babe Ruth like a Bay Brew jersey. Yeah, 612 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 4: I've got the bat. I've got the bat. I'd like 613 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 4: to get the jersey to go along with it. If 614 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 4: and when I find it, it will be really, really expensive, 615 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 4: so I don't know if I'll buy it. The other 616 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 4: one is that I happen to have a complete Tto 617 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: six set minus the famous Honus Wagner card, so I 618 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: have every card in the set, and that's the famous 619 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 4: tobacco card that is pulled from production, and you know, 620 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 4: we've sold one as high as seven point two five million. 621 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 4: I would not pay, you know, I I it was 622 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 4: unlikely I would buy one in the condition good enough 623 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 4: to sell for seven point two five million. But if 624 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: it's ever one available, you maybe after we go public 625 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 4: and you know, I sell stock, I would go out 626 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 4: and buy one. But today I'm not going to do that. 627 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 2: The Ken Griffey Junior upper Deck card, what's that worth today? 628 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 4: That was the card that changed the business and a 629 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 4: PSA ten of that card, you know is in a 630 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 4: couple of thousand dollars range. 631 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: But why did it change the business? 632 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: Because it was it was the first year that somebody 633 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 4: came out that that's considered the introduction of the modern card, 634 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,240 Speaker 4: considered the introduction of the modern trading card. When upper 635 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 4: Deck used high tech photos on front, high tech photos 636 00:34:55,160 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 4: on back, and a a counterfeit proof hologram that you know, 637 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 4: and Tampa proof so that people knew that it was 638 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,760 Speaker 4: a real card. They changed the business, and that launched 639 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 4: the modern card era, where people instead of making you know, 640 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 4: not quite so desirable cards on cardboard, used higher quality paper, 641 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 4: higher quality stock, you know, glossy finished, and really stepped 642 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,959 Speaker 4: up their game. 643 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: Do any of the modern players like, does there anything 644 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 2: of Lebron's that will touch the value of Jordan's? 645 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, first of all, interestingly, Lebron's 646 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 4: trading cards are worth more than you know, Lebron's rookie 647 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 4: cards were significantly more than Michael Jordan's rookie cards, and 648 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 4: the reason for that is that Jordan's was in the 649 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,320 Speaker 4: junk wax era where eighty six fleer was dramatically overproduced, 650 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 4: and there's a lot of them, and Lebron had cards 651 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 4: like two thousand and three Upper Deck Exquisite that were 652 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 4: limited to ninety nine, some of them limited to twenty three. Others. 653 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,400 Speaker 4: You know, we've sold, We've sold Lebron's games cards for 654 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 4: a couple of million dollars. Now there are Michael Jordan 655 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 4: cards that can go over two million dollars, but those 656 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 4: traditionally are not his rookie cards. Those are late nineteen 657 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 4: nineties rare. Insert cards you know that are you know, 658 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 4: either limited to ten or autographed and limited to twenty three. 659 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 4: In terms of jerseys, I mean, yeah, I think the 660 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 4: jersey Lebron wore while breaking Kareem's record for the all 661 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 4: time points leader, you know, I think that, you know, 662 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,280 Speaker 4: that's going to be a set's a several million dollars jersey. 663 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 4: The jersey that Lebron wore for his first ever game 664 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 4: in two thousand and three with the Cleveland Cavaliers, that's 665 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 4: a multimillion dollar jersey as well, So you know, the 666 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 4: three guys. Interestingly, in basketball, the best of the best 667 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 4: item from Lebron James, the best of the best item 668 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 4: from Michael Jordan, and the best of the best item 669 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 4: for Kobe Bryant will sell for significantly more than all 670 00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 4: time legs such as Kareem, Will Chamberlain and Bill Russell. 671 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 4: I mean, you take the best Michael Jordan item, it 672 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 4: will probably sell for triple what the best Will Chamberlain 673 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 4: item will sell for, even though you know, Will Chamberlain 674 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 4: items are far far more rare. And you know Wilt 675 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 4: is you know, probably know Wilton Bill Russell you know, 676 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 4: there were the standards because basketball is a little different. 677 00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 4: Basketball is more international baseball. You would it would be 678 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 4: unthinkable to say a Mike Trout item would sell for 679 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 4: even ten percent of a Mickey Mantle or even ten 680 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,840 Speaker 4: percent of the Babe Ruth. But baseball has and still 681 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 4: really is an American sport. Basketball is a worldwide sport. 682 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 4: It really didn't start, it didn't start to go international 683 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 4: until you know, the Magic Johnson era, went more international 684 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 4: with the Michael Jordan era. But really, Kobe was like 685 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 4: the first gigantic main star in Asia. And that's why, 686 00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 4: you know, prices like Jordan, Lebron and Kobe are elevated 687 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 4: above those of Kareem Russell and Chamberlin. 688 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 1: That is absolutely fascinating. 689 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 2: Well, listen, I know you've got work to do, even 690 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 2: more than gracious with your time. How can somebody if 691 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 2: they want to, they want to bit on these items. 692 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 2: I mean they already I'm sure know most people in 693 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 2: the business now, but if not, how can how can 694 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: they they view this stuff? Bit of this stuff? 695 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 4: Sure? So you know, first of very simple, go to 696 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 4: Golden dot com g O L D I N dot 697 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 4: com or you can just type in Golden Auctions and 698 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 4: you'll take us or take it right to us. And 699 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 4: you know, we we do have everything now at Golden. 700 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 4: You know, we have the we have something called the 701 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 4: Golden one hundred, which actually is one of the items 702 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 4: is the Flu game shoes of Michael Jordan, Game Warren. 703 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 4: And we've got Kobe, and we've got we've got Kobe's 704 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 4: twenty ten NBA Finals gamey game use jersey up for 705 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 4: sale right now to his last ever NBA Finals uh 706 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 4: game warning photo match. So we've got that auction going. 707 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 4: We've got the Dream Team auction going. But we also 708 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 4: have weekly auctions going where people literally can buy something 709 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,840 Speaker 4: for fifteen as low as fifteen dollars. But go to 710 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 4: Golden dot com, check it out, search for what you want. 711 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 4: You'll see all the different things auctioning. Register to bid, 712 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 4: and you will have to if you want to bid. 713 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 4: If you're gonna want to bid on a Dream Team item, 714 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,759 Speaker 4: you're gonna have to get credit approved. So they'll be instructions, Hey, 715 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 4: i'd like to bid more than five thousand dollars. It 716 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,439 Speaker 4: will tell you how to do that. And to keep 717 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 4: a breast is to what's going on in the hobby 718 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 4: to keep keep interested in. Say hey, what's coming up? 719 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 4: What's hot in the hobby? What are the best items 720 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,319 Speaker 4: that Golden has for sale? Or you want to follow, like, hey, 721 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 4: is there going to be a season two? And when 722 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 4: when we start making it of King of Collectible as 723 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,799 Speaker 4: Golden Touch, just follow me anywhere on social media at 724 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,439 Speaker 4: Ken Golden. On Instagram is probably where I do most 725 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 4: of my posting, but I'm on TikTok and Twitter to 726 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 4: I'm at Ken Golden everywhere. 727 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 2: Ken, those are incredible items. I appreciate you joining me 728 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:05,799 Speaker 2: and thanks so much. 729 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 4: Thank you dog glad to be here. Have a good one. 730 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 2: All right, that's it for this version of All Ball. 731 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 2: Remember to check out the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's on 732 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 2: three to five Eastern time. We also have it in 733 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 2: the Bonus podcast. Just go to the iHeart Radio app 734 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: and you can download that and I think you'll really 735 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 2: really enjoy it. In the meantime, continue to tell your 736 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,720 Speaker 2: friends this is the spot for all sorts of hoops, 737 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 2: talks and stories. 738 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is All Ball.