1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: What's up this way up with Angela Yee. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: I'm Angela Yee and this woman sitting next to me 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 2: is somebody who I aspire to follow in her footsteps. 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Kim Carter is here with me today. 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 3: Kim Carter. 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: Is such a pleasure to meet you in person, because 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 2: I know we've had a zoom before we've met. 8 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: You know that way we have people in common. 9 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 2: But I just want to introduce you and just we 10 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: were having a lot of conversations behind the scenes, but 11 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: I want to make sure we bring that to our 12 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: listeners on way Up, our way Up family. 13 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 3: So yes, and since we've talked, I've also gotten married. 14 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 3: So now I'm Kim Carter slash Tillman. 15 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Hold time, let me let me change this on the nose, 16 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: Kim Carter, let Tillman. That's right, Okay, who is this guy? 17 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: First, Let's talk about you, and then then Tillman, mister Tillman, 18 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:48,479 Speaker 1: we'll talk about him in a second. 19 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: But Kim Carter, you have such an extraordinary story, and 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: so I just wanted for people who maybe have never 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: heard of the Time for Change Foundation or your story, 22 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: which also, by the way, was told tell it like 23 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: a woman to Roger p Henson directed and Jennifer Hudson 24 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: played you in this short film, which I feel like 25 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 2: it is going to turn into a. 26 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: Full feature film. 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: But just talk a little bit about your history of 28 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: who Kim Carter is, Okay, So. 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 3: I would just say that I am the little light 30 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: in the dark that refused to just fade out. So 31 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 3: the little injury that could based on my past experiences 32 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: up incarceration, molestation, and all the trauma that went with 33 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 3: the Rocker Feller drug laws, I could have easily, you know, 34 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 3: committed suicide. I could have easily succumb to my condition. 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 3: But that little girl inside of me, she wanted to win. 36 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 3: And even though she had been silenced at five years 37 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: old because of that molestation, she still wanted the way out. 38 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 3: So when I look it way up, I think about 39 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 3: the way out, and Harriet tut me, and when she 40 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 3: came to free the slave, she said, hey, I found 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: the way out. So that little girl found a way 42 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 3: out of that anguish and that those feelings that kept 43 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 3: her suppressed, and she wanted to come out and do 44 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 3: what she can do. And I didn't know she was 45 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: gonna be bad. 46 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: I can't know where did you grow up? 47 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 3: Well, I was born here in New York, Brooklyn, New York. 48 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 3: I was born in Kings County Hospital, and I grew 49 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: up between Los Angeles and Inglewood. My mother kidnapped me 50 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 3: from New York when I was five, so I don't 51 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: really got that New York swang in my conversation. But 52 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: I was kidnapped and taken to California, where I succumbed 53 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 3: to all the ills of society's oppression. 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: So what is it that your mom was doing in California? 55 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 3: Was trying to find herself, you know, stuck on her men, 56 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 3: and basically we was trying to figure out how to survive. 57 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: It was an extreme poverty. We went to school to eat, 58 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: you know, learning was secondary, and she just didn't have 59 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 3: what she needed to take care of four grown kids. 60 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: But there were some things during that time, like you 61 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: said you went to school to eat, that you did 62 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 2: learn that maybe at the time you didn't even realize was. 63 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: Something that you'll be able to use later in life. 64 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: Well, I just learned that it was going to depend 65 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: on me. No one was coming for me. My real 66 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 3: dad wasn't coming for me. No one was coming for me. 67 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: So I had to do for myself. So I learned 68 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: that I can. I learned that I could do for myself. 69 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: And so at the age of seventeen, right, is that 70 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: the first time you tried crack cocaine. 71 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 3: Yes, my introduced to crack cocaine in the household. My 72 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 3: mom and I became hooked. I became hooked. 73 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 2: So between you know, before that time, what was life 74 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: like for you before that first time you tried crack 75 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 2: carr And we're. 76 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 3: Miscuous, you know, smoking weed in out of different high schools, 77 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 3: gay banking, just a part of the environment, no plans 78 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: for the future, no mentorship, no leadership, no examples of 79 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: what life could be like. And so when crack cocaine 80 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: hit the scenes, because you know, it was brought in 81 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: by a good federal government and was saturated into our communities. 82 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: And when I became hooked on crack cocaine, it filled 83 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: this void that needed to be silenced. And that was 84 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 3: the void that I wasn't good enough, the voice that 85 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 3: you know, my real parents never wanted me, my dad, 86 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: all that stuff that I was feeling. When I hit 87 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: crack cocaine, I became somebody and all of a sudden, 88 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 3: you know, I could talk and I can hold my 89 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: head up. And then the addiction took over, and with 90 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: the addiction come to deprivation of eating and bathing and 91 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: self respect and self esteem. I will no longer enjoy barbecues, movies, 92 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: and concerts. Those were all gone, and I will be 93 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: hooked on crack cocaine until I would be rescued by 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: going to jail. 95 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: Man. 96 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 2: This is amazing because looking at you today, nobody would 97 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: know that those were the things that you went through 98 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 2: when you were younger. And I know that you've said 99 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: that even with the crack cocaine, you would be that 100 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: person in garbage bags, layered on and just sitting at 101 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: the bus stop exactly. 102 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: So I never underestimate the person that's laying on the side. 103 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: And that's what I always say. You never know the 104 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 3: story that person has or where they going to go. 105 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 3: Because today I'm a boss, right, And so you would 106 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 3: think that people who didn't want to hire me when 107 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: I came out of prison, people who didn't think I 108 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: had a second chance because I had been in person. 109 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: I wanted to keep using my passed as to take 110 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: it to my future. But see God helped my future 111 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: and his hands. I used to need to look to 112 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: the hills, and hence my health was coming. So I've 113 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: been able to force do that. But what happens is 114 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: I see my sisters along the way. I've never lost 115 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 3: sight of my sisters on the ground. I've never lost 116 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 3: sight of that hunger and my belly when I don't 117 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: have no food. And so I'm want it to be 118 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 3: in the restaurant and look outside and see girl on 119 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: the bus stop and no, she's not waiting the bus, 120 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 3: and I know to get out there and go get 121 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 3: her hotel room and help her get some help because 122 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: I sensed that. 123 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, all right, so the first time you 124 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: went to jail, how old were you the first time 125 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: that you ended up? 126 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 3: Oh, I've been going to jail since like eighteen, that's 127 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: eighteen years old. It's River offic in that between the 128 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 3: county jail and dependitentry dependentre is where things really got 129 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 3: real because then I was surrounded by all types of 130 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: other criminal activity. Now remember I was just smoking little cracks, 131 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: stealing from the local stores and all that. I wasn't around, 132 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: you know, people who committed murder. I wasn't around people 133 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 3: who committed credit card for any of that. I hadn't 134 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: learned any of that stuff. So when you go to 135 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: the penitentiary, we all come together. And when we came together, 136 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,919 Speaker 3: we wasn't able to talk about the pains and the 137 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 3: sufferings because there was no therapeutic services in there. But 138 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 3: eventually we came together and realized we all didn't have 139 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 3: our fathers growing up, We all got kids out there 140 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: in the system. We all have been molested. By the 141 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: time we was five six years, we had so much similarity. 142 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: Was like, look, we gotta talk to one another. We 143 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: gotta come up with our solutions, Like there's something about us, 144 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: not just the fact that we're black and brown from 145 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 3: disadvanced communities, but there's some pain and suffering that we share. 146 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 3: We have to work through that trauma and triumph and 147 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 3: say it was then to come on together that we 148 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 3: was able to start healing and taking care of one 149 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: another and really empathizing with one another that we had 150 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 3: similar paths. 151 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: So this is an impromptu coming together. 152 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: This wasn't anything that was like, okay, now we got 153 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 2: to make sure we all have conversations. This was something 154 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: you guys did for yourselves. 155 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, because we started realizing that we needed one 156 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: to survive, to survive that belly of that beast, we 157 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: needed one another, and together we were stronger. 158 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: And at some point you had a daughter. I had 159 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: a daughter at twenty one. 160 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 3: I had a daughter at twenty one, and to the 161 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 3: best of my ability, I wanted to raise my daughter, 162 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 3: but I couldn't put two and two together. I didn't 163 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 3: have no support, no help, or no nothing. And so 164 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: she was allowed to be raised by her father at 165 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: that time, who wasn't really her father, but the guy 166 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 3: that I was with. His mother and his sisters helped 167 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: raise her. And then I went to the penitentiary, and 168 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: then when he got ready to die, he gave it 169 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: back to my mom, So then my mom had her. 170 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: So fortunately for me, she didn't go into. 171 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: Like the yeah, that's that's a blessing that there was 172 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: a male figure that stepped up to the plate, because 173 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: it wasn't even her biological father. 174 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: Where was he? 175 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: He just yeah, it was it was aknown. 176 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 2: Okay, unknown, all right, And so then somebody stepped up 177 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: and his family stepped up to the plate. That's amazing 178 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: because that's a rare thing. I feel like that you 179 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: don't hear about. 180 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: It, like it was a God's gift. I felt like 181 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: it was God's gift to my daughter. You know, it 182 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: was her. It was a gift to her. Had to 183 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 3: do with me. It was God's blessing. So so she 184 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 3: never had to go without go getting molested, She never 185 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 3: had to be surrounded by the dress in the alcohol 186 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: that I would have been surrounding her with if she 187 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 3: had stayed in my custody. She never had to be homeless, 188 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: She never had to go through none of that kind 189 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: of stuff. So that's a blessing in itself. And you know, 190 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 3: today my daughter's well, she's a an NBA graduate, you know, 191 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 3: living her best life. Well, my beautiful grandkids shout out 192 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 3: to Zaytan and Emery. Woo whoop. 193 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: And how did you repair your relationship with her? What 194 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: was that like for you, because, like you said, you know, 195 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: you weren't able to really be there when she was younger, 196 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 2: and I'm sure a lot of guilt came at that. 197 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: It was a lot of guilt. But once I started 198 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: healing myself and getting therapy, I realized I did the 199 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: best I could what I had. I also realized my 200 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 3: mom did the best she could with what she had, 201 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: and I started seeing how the generational curses was passed 202 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: down and how when you don't have what you need 203 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 3: for support, it's just like saying, we could sit there 204 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 3: and say, oh, dig o Shanika, her kids is all 205 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: running around for Shanika working three jobs to put food 206 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: on the table. Right, But if Shaniko was to not 207 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: work like, oh she late, she could be working like 208 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: either way and go, we're not supporting she got three kids, 209 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 3: and that's what needs to happen. We're to support for 210 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 3: us as a family, as a village, and we got 211 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: to come back together as a people. So in my 212 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: particular story, I was blessed in that way, but I 213 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: learned I have to create the billits that I needed. 214 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 3: So when I got cleaning sober, I hung around people 215 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: who was cleaning sober. 216 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: Has it been thirty years? Thirty yep, thirty years. 217 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 3: That is huge. Congratulations at a time, one day at 218 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 3: a time. And walking around New York ain't no joke. 219 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: Everybody running around here smoking wheed. 220 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, what about the rest of us. 221 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: It's not crazy to see that people could just walk 222 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 2: around freely and smoke weed. 223 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 3: A man is handing me a fire. We're joining his hand, 224 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: like I don't think. 225 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: So you could walk into a store, You're like, I 226 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: don't just getting away. 227 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: For free out there everybody smoking. 228 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, times have definitely changed a whole lot. 229 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: Now, talk to me about when you finally were able 230 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: to break the cycle. 231 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: Okay, So I would say my first time breaking the 232 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: cycle was part that is depicting in the movie when 233 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: I was going through another one of those cycles in prison, 234 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: and I was offered some therapeutic services and so here 235 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 3: is a recipe for success that's already been developed, but 236 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 3: it's been used for people who had privilege and access. 237 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 3: So here, I am low income black women, never having 238 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 3: privileged and access. So I never got therapy. I never 239 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 3: got a chance to process the stuff that was happening, 240 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 3: from me being molested, from me being you know, rape, 241 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: from me being homeleted, for me being in all those 242 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 3: horrific experiences. I had to just carry that. So in 243 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 3: this program called Forever Free, I was offered some services 244 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: and I was rebelling. I was pushing away. I don't 245 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 3: want it. It's not gonna work for me because in 246 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 3: my mind, I don't feel there's a way out. But 247 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 3: they started breaking the layers and like an onionist, peeling 248 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: them back and peeling them back and helping me to 249 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: see I was not what had happened to me. Most 250 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 3: important thing, I was not what had happened to me. 251 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: And when I was able to separate what had happened 252 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 3: to me from me, I can see me for who 253 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: I was. The little girl inside, she can get what 254 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: she needed. She needed some hugs, she needed some love. 255 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: She needs to know it didn't matter who her father was, 256 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 3: that God was her father. 257 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 2: She needed that who And you know the sad thing 258 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: about it is that it was a lottery and so 259 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 2: everybody couldn't get into that program. But there were so 260 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 2: many women around you that needed it, but it just 261 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: wasn't enough resources for everybody to be able to have that. 262 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: Because you know, crack cocaine, it's like an addiction of 263 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: sickness that you have, but instead of getting treated for that, 264 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: you're in jail and it's penitentiary. 265 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: So it's run. Society's response to my addiction was more prisons. 266 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: Society responds to this fitting al overdose is more centers 267 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: and more facilities. And I'm not saying I wouldn't want 268 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: to see it that way. I'm just saying I know 269 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 3: what we can do better. We can always do better. 270 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: So we need to push forward policies in programs that 271 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: actor support people and uplift them instead of putting these 272 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 3: oppressive conditions on people. You're treating a condition with a 273 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 3: penitentiary that makes no sense, right, No, you're absolutely You're 274 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 3: spending seventy five thousands a year for me to be 275 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 3: locked up. When I come out, you want to give 276 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: me two hundred knowing I can't even get into a 277 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 3: program nowhere, like come on. 278 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 2: And the importance of being reunited with your daughter too, 279 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: that meant a lot for you. Can you talk to 280 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 2: me about when that was able to happen? 281 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So she was thirteen. I got her back, and 282 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 3: I had been through the drug program. You know, I 283 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 3: had a couple of houts with cancer, was given niney 284 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: days to live. God was like, I'm not fill with you. 285 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 3: So I had went through those medical conditions and then 286 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: I had got my first apartment and I had got 287 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 3: it furnst where you know, people gave me furniture. I 288 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 3: had it all fixed up, and then I want to 289 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: give my daughter back. But see, I had this mother 290 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 3: that will constantly try to tell me how I wasn't read, 291 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 3: I wasn't good enough, So that's probably that some of 292 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: them issues. Well, I was always never good enough, And 293 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: so say, why don't you just wait until this? Why 294 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 3: don't you just wait until this? But I want my 295 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 3: daughter back, And I realized there was never going to 296 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: be a day in a time that I could be 297 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: good enough for you to get my daughter back. So 298 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna get dactor back now. So I got her back. 299 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: So instead of them my village, yay you cat doing, 300 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 3: in fact, they cried, so she came with me like 301 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: like it was mourning. They was crying out looking at 302 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 3: the suitcase. You know what I'm saying, But for real, 303 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: for real, what she didn't know is that I was 304 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 3: getting her out of that cycle that she might have 305 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: been caught up in by going in that nucleus, and 306 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: I was giving her a chance to break free and 307 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 3: be able to send her off the first one in 308 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 3: our family to go to college to get her degree 309 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 3: and then go on to Georgetown and get her MBA 310 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,719 Speaker 3: first one that was offered all these amazing jobs when 311 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 3: she got out of college because of her education and 312 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: how smart she is. See that wasn't happening from that 313 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 3: nucleus that happened, from this rebirth that you got sit 314 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 3: in front of you right now. I put that seat 315 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 3: in motion because I gave her a way out, because 316 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,239 Speaker 3: I had found a way out. 317 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 2: You know, you really are here for a purpose when 318 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: people can hear your story of so many different things 319 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: that happened, and the fact that you're here and helping 320 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 2: other people is absolutely amazing. There's so many times that 321 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: you really could have died, honestly and not been here, 322 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 2: and not just from the drugs, but also from the cancer. God, 323 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 2: so from being on the street and the people that you. 324 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: Encountered, from being shot out exactly. And so when those 325 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 3: prayers go up to God, God, give me one more chance. 326 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: See when he gave me that one more chance. I 327 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: don't have it in me to not stay on God's 328 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 3: path because I know what I do with me by myself, 329 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 3: I will never be absent of God again in my life. 330 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 3: I'm a zero. He's the one in front of me. 331 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: I make a tend I'm not going without God. No, seriously, 332 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 3: I'm not going without God. I have a dalit of 333 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: this addiction that is one day at a time, Tomorrow's 334 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: not guaranteed. I need to be with God on a 335 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: regular basis. 336 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: How did the relationship with your own mother change throughout 337 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: the course of. 338 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 3: This Well, I would say that it has gotten too 339 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 3: where I have healthy boundaries. That's what I have, a 340 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: healthy bounce reason. I'm no longer a martyr. I'm no 341 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: longer sacrificing myself for the sake of the whole of 342 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 3: that clan. That's not my story no more. I'm standing 343 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: firing in my own friend of dignity. And I love 344 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: my mother and I go see about her. I take 345 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: care of her financially the best of my ability. But 346 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 3: I am not a victimized by my mother, and I 347 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 3: do not tolerate anything that makes me feel good, I 348 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 3: don't do it. So if I need a one month 349 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 3: break from you because you said something that's backing that 350 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 3: old stuff, I'm gonna give you that one month. If 351 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 3: I need two weeks and all that. But you have 352 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: to teach people how to treat you. So I taught 353 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 3: them how to treat me. I talked them to send 354 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 3: me out to rob sending me out to steal and 355 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: bring stuff back in. I taught them that I talked 356 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: them that when I go to jail, I will go 357 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: with a prison. I would sell drugs to tend your 358 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: money out. I taught them that, so I have to 359 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: reteach them who I was. And now they know I 360 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: come from a family, or know I ain't got it. No, 361 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: I ain't got it. 362 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: And it's all the time that you said yes, it's 363 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 2: the one time you say no, oh yeah, yeah, that's Saturday. 364 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: You're the devil. 365 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 3: But hold up, but it's okay. Let me be the 366 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: devil never for the whole seven days. You see what 367 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: I'm saying, because I will not go back to zero again. 368 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 3: When I had that cancer, I needed five thousand dollars 369 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: to pay the code payment for the health inshrench company 370 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 3: to get my cancer removed from me. And I looked 371 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 3: around that nucleus and they couldn't come up with five 372 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 3: hundred dollars. And here I was dying. And this is 373 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 3: when my real dad shout out to my real dad 374 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 3: came through and he brought me five thousand dollars. Wow, 375 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying to pay for that surgery 376 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: that I have that removed that cancer. It started my 377 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 3: chemo and my radiation. But I looked around and realized 378 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 3: that these people is broke. And we come from looking 379 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: good on the outside and I had noting on the inside. 380 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 3: You know, I just start getting real Lloyd Baton and 381 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: real jnail bags. Till last year fifty nine, I had 382 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: my money in the back, not on the back. But 383 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 3: now that I'm on this side of sixty, give me 384 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: that bag. I'm going to enjoy the rest of my life. 385 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: For that. 386 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 3: No, no, no no, it was an insight. It was 387 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 3: building up those insurances, building up those statements, having that 388 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 3: home owner ship. I'm trying to figure out how my 389 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 3: granddaughter's first and second kid can have something from grandma. 390 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 3: I'm want to leave a legacy. I want to leave 391 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 3: more than just this book waking up to my purpose. 392 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 3: I want to leave some funds in accounts with names 393 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: on it. 394 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 2: And not only do you want to do that, you 395 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: want to want to educate other people on how they're 396 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: going to be able to do that too. So let's 397 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: talk about the nonprofit that you have. Because the reason 398 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: you're in New York am I allowed to say this. 399 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: You're the winner of three Anthem Awards, three. 400 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 3: Times Anthem went them. Shout out to my publicists who 401 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 3: actually made it happen and nominated us. You know, I 402 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 3: promote you agency Adrianne. She's one of the best. Well anyway, 403 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 3: we was We was nominated and we received the gold 404 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 3: in the Humanitarian category, Visits of the Year category, and 405 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 3: Community Outreach category. And I will tell you that having 406 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: the opportunity to come to New York and to share 407 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: the love of what we do and why we do it. 408 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 3: And while we've been successful, so since two two thousand 409 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: and two, Time to Change Foundation has supported of thirty 410 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: five hundred women from incarceration and homelessness into self sufficiency. 411 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: We pride ourselves on saying we don't recycle homelessness. We 412 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,880 Speaker 3: ended And one of the pivotal pieces for me is 413 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 3: that I learned that the housing that that women needed 414 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 3: after the shelter program was not there, so I started 415 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 3: building my own affordable housing. We found out that women 416 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: who had children in foster care was having their perennal 417 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: rights severed because they could not ask his housing. So 418 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 3: since our inception, we've helped over three hundred and seventeen 419 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: children from foster care reunite back with their moms. And 420 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 3: so that's what keeps me going in the morning. And 421 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: now that this whole reckoning with George Floyd and I 422 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 3: was locked in my house like everybody else for two 423 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 3: years because of the COVID. God gave me the vision 424 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 3: to create our own Black Wall Street. I'm like, what 425 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 3: do you mean, Lord, we're going to be a bank. 426 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: He's like, create access to capital for black and brown women. 427 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I'm hearing you, but how am I 428 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 3: going to be the broker the holding holding? Like, tell 429 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 3: me how it's gonna happen. Right after that, I get 430 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: donated a piece of property that we built ten thousand 431 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 3: square feed a high textday of the art entrepreneurs center 432 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 3: for black and brown women. I raised seven million dollars 433 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 3: to go in there and lay it out. It has 434 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 3: everything that women need, all the fourteen officers, three conference rooms, 435 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: a cafeteria, a huge cafeteria, and a childcare center. It's beautiful. 436 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 3: It has pictures of you know, on the windows, there's 437 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 3: Oprah Winfrey. The Law's work, and I want the black 438 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: and brown women to know that we come from greatness 439 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: and we come from power. And then we went about 440 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 3: raising capital so that we can actually invest in those 441 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: women businesses. I didn't know that less than one percent 442 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: of all the venture capitalists funds go to black women 443 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 3: of color. I definitely know that. Yes see I didn't 444 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: tell you know that because I never tried to access 445 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 3: funds on that level, right, But now God put me 446 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 3: a position to actually be the vessel so the women 447 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 3: can have access. Since we've opened on March fifteenth, we've 448 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: only been open like nine months, we've been able to 449 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 3: put one hundred and seventy thousand dollars into the hands 450 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: of black and brown women five thousand, seven thousand, three 451 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 3: thousand and three thousand see capital money into those for 452 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: our businesses. And it's just amazing, and we just got 453 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: to start it. We've already been in the Forest magazine. 454 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 3: Shout out again to Andreel up to Ah being over 455 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 3: here right this side. We've been there for see outside 456 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 3: too all the time. I see. When I saw us 457 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: in Forest Magazine, I said, okay, lord, we're going to Nasdaq, 458 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: We're going to the Stock Exchange. We're going to ring 459 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: that bell. So this is what's happening. This is creating accent. 460 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 3: We have to create the awareness that investing in women 461 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 3: of color, invested in these businesses as start up, as 462 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: the way of the future, create our own job. I'm 463 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 3: an employer. I usually couldn't even get a job. Now 464 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 3: I'm point I'm managing multimillion dollar amazing projects. I mean, 465 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: I'm building. I never went to school for building, but 466 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 3: I'm building the Ford of Myles and commercial real estate. 467 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: That's what I can. 468 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: Do, I know, and we've been and that is part 469 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 2: of the reason why we've been having conversations. Also, and 470 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 2: I do want to say, along with the fact that 471 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 2: less than one percent of black women get access to 472 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 2: venture capital funding, we also start businesses at a higher 473 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: rate than any other. 474 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: Group of people. 475 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 2: So the fact that we have all these businesses but 476 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 2: we're not getting access to capital means we're not able 477 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 2: to scale the way that other businesses are able to 478 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 2: a lot of times we're bootstrapping, you know, we're using crowd. 479 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: Fund, divesting from our potential to build wealth. So if 480 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 3: we're taking what we have, people who make money use 481 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 3: opp other people's profit. Right, if we're using our own money, 482 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 3: then we're taking from what we already have, which we 483 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 3: already don't have enough. And so this is how we 484 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 3: like call it hustling backwards. Right, we need to build 485 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: those line of credits and use those opportunities to take 486 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: that money and invest that money into other opportunities to build. 487 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: That's what we need to do. We need to be 488 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 3: part of opp. 489 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 2: When you realize that there's something that you need to do, 490 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: like for instance, opening up this this this hub that 491 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 2: you've opened the bp BBOP center. 492 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: Well the bop bbop center, all right? 493 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 3: Is there? 494 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: Like seriously? Is there like a voice that comes to you, like, 495 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: how does that come to you? 496 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 3: How do you know your let it comes from God? 497 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 3: It comes from God? Because I look, okay, well where 498 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: are we going with that? I'm talking to him? Where 499 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 3: we go with that? Show me the way my mind went. 500 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: We're going to be a bank? How else were gonna build? 501 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 3: Rebuild Black Wall Street. I'm watching the reconciliation and the 502 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 3: recony around you know, this police brutality and around this 503 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: exacerbation of black and brown women being you the life 504 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: during the COVID to hand out toilet paper and food 505 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 3: to everybody else, putting our lives on the line just 506 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: to serve other people who are going on vacation and 507 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 3: their homes in Europe and everywhere else. To hide out 508 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: from the disease. People are dying from this disease. It's 509 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: impacting us. Our lives are on the line. And I 510 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 3: saw this sistance. She's like, you want to know why 511 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,360 Speaker 3: we burning down these these targets and these walmats because 512 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 3: we don't own nothing, she said, there have been blocks. 513 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, why don't we own because see Time 514 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,239 Speaker 3: for Change Foundation. We have nineteen locations and we own all. 515 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 3: I know all of our locations. I never wanted to estate. Yeah, 516 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: I never wanted to have a landlord coming to me 517 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 3: because of the city's pressure. She's houlting nor women from 518 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 3: person again, or she's doing this, she's doing that. I'm 519 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: doing what I want to do. And how do I 520 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 3: do that? You got to have positioning, So I never 521 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: want to be in position where they could uproot me. 522 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 3: I want to be in a nice neighbor. I want 523 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 3: my kids to go to the best schools. You're their 524 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 3: homeless kids, But guess what, they don't know any homeless 525 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 3: that kind of in houses that look like me. And 526 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 3: you can go sit down here. You don't even know 527 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 3: you in the shelter. You know. 528 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: Let me ask you this since you brought that up right, 529 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: because you know, we have the building in midtown Detroit 530 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 2: and Topeka. Sam is somebody who you're also friends with 531 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: gout out to Peak who's working with us on this. 532 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: She's formerly incarcerated, and housing is one of the biggest 533 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 2: issues for women when they come home to like you said, 534 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: be reunited with their families, to be able to have 535 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: a place to bring their children, and be comfortable enough 536 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: to be able to go out there and work. 537 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 1: But people in the. 538 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: Community can sometimes think, Oh, we don't want those people 539 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: here in our community. Because I noticed that, you know, 540 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 2: when we posted about it. And part of our mission 541 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: is to make sure that women who are formally incarcerated 542 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: get housing. That's part of what we are doing with 543 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: this building. But I did see some comments, Oh, you're 544 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 2: just gonna put ruined the neighborhood by bringing people. 545 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: Like that here. 546 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: I want to talk about that for a second, and 547 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: people's mentality when it comes to uh, you know, people 548 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: scream out prison reform and they. 549 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: Talk about it not in my backyard. Yeah, And I'll 550 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 3: go back to this right here. How did you get 551 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 3: a backyard? Why did you get a backyard? You know, 552 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 3: like sometimes when I first started years ago, Uh, they 553 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: had the same be The house that I started with 554 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 3: was the house that I had, my first house ever bought. 555 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: I bought it for ninety thousand dollars and I used 556 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 3: that house for my first shelter. The like not here 557 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: when me and my husband at the time have been living. 558 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: Then we both came from prison. Matter of fact, y'all 559 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 3: looking at us. We're looking at y'all. We got out 560 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: doors locked because who was you. You don't get in 561 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: twisted right, and so yeah, yeah, we look at y'all 562 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: looking right. You ain't speaking in we ain't speaking. We 563 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: gonna keep it like that. Don't get off firmly. Now. 564 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 3: That house turned to a shelter, but I had the 565 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: right under federal law to open not my home to 566 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 3: six women unrelated And even though the city would try 567 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: to create other ordinances. At the same time I was 568 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: doing that, guy was also shining the light. And I 569 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: was getting awards like the Harriet Tutman Award, and I 570 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: was getting these prestigious awards, and that would be on 571 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 3: stage getting the war like I like, it'sn't Iraq. I'm 572 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 3: getting the war today for being a peacemaker, for getting 573 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 3: Still the work that I do is now been deep 574 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 3: illegal by the City of San Berland. You know, they 575 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: just passed the ordinance in the middle of the night. 576 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 3: D So I would. 577 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: It was like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, everybody down. 578 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I learned then that my voice matters, and 579 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 3: so I started doing you know, I would do the 580 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 3: press conference. I will hold the town halls, I would 581 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: have the rallies. I would go to Philadelphia Office of 582 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 3: respector General. I would go to the accountability of the 583 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: accountability agencies and start wrecking on people. I also became 584 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: well versed in what the law was. I became well 585 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 3: versed in housing regular relations. I became well versed in 586 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 3: CDBG grants, ESG grants, HUD grants, all that. Because I 587 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that I'm with these systems, that 588 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: I'm not being treated unfailedy, but I'm treated I'm being 589 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 3: treated according to the policy procedure. Because you don't get 590 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 3: to make it no laws on me, right, and I 591 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 3: have to think of my system that I'm out here, 592 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: start raising up. I'd be like, don't say nothing, and 593 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 3: it's like boom, boom boom, and I'll be like, okay, 594 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 3: here we go. Boom boom bom, and it just comes 595 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 3: out and that's what God wants you to hear. 596 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 2: So, well, that thing in your system, let's talk about uh, 597 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 2: you know the tell it like a woman, right, and 598 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 2: that is Jennifer Hudson is actually Kim Carter in that movie. 599 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: She plays you and it's called Pepsi and Kim. 600 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 3: Okay. So here's the thing. So these are some of 601 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 3: the pictures right here, and it's also in your book. 602 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 3: So can you imagine getting a call from Taraji P. Hansen? 603 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 3: Do you got a minute? Yeah? I got a minute, 604 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: you know, and I pull over the freeway. She goes, yeah, well, 605 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 3: you know, I read the script that was done by 606 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: Catherine Harderwick, one who you know directed Mafia and Mama 607 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 3: in thirteen. She goes, and I just love it. You know. 608 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: I've directed one of the episodes of Empire, but I 609 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 3: really like to direct your story. I'm working with my 610 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: team right now and I just want to connect with 611 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: you that you know, I'm on fire for it. We're 612 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: gonna make this happen. I'm like, okay, okay, and I'm like, 613 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 3: can somebody believe that you got a call from draw? 614 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: You be hissing? So then we went and had a 615 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 3: zone and then she gets on the zone and she 616 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: just sold down on Earth and just so real, and 617 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: she's like, well, who do you want to play you? 618 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 3: I was like, whoever Cookie can't come up? Then whoever 619 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 3: Caick come right? And then the next time I got 620 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: on the phone, she's like, you're gonna like this. I'm like, 621 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 3: at this point, I've already pinched myself on up. I 622 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: can keep my smile down and I can really conversay, 623 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 3: like I got some sense. And so she said you're 624 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: gonna like this. I'm like, oh, she said, hold on, 625 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: she's coming on right now. And then here comes Jennifer 626 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 3: Hudson swoops in and I was like, oh my god, 627 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 3: you brought them deep into the screen. I was up 628 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 3: out of my seat in my livering with this point. 629 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: I can't even imagine. 630 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 3: You brought the dema, you brought the diva. And Jennifer, 631 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: oh mg, she is the sweetest soul. I mean, like 632 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 3: on set, you know some of the traumas she had 633 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 3: to relive and where she went to and herself to 634 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 3: bring that out. It was really like right in line 635 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 3: with the true authentic feelings that I had. And when 636 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 3: I went through that trauma and this woman is so 637 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 3: thoughtful that she would come to me, Are you okay? 638 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,239 Speaker 3: I'm like, are you okay? I'm okay. I told them 639 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 3: they could start paying me for every one of my 640 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 3: tears and we would just laugh it off. You know. 641 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: She's brought me this big old bouquet flowers and they're like, 642 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 3: that's for you. I'm like, that's for me. I'm like, 643 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: who knows I'm here? And they was like, instaid, everybody's 644 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 3: here today because of you. 645 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's all about you, that's what they said too. 646 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 3: And she brought this big old I mean years with 647 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: flowers and it's said, don't let other people's ugly ever 648 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: mess up your beautiful because your light needs to shine. Yes, 649 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 3: she did that. That just made me feel so you know, 650 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 3: it just made me feel so good and so having 651 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 3: the movie done, like I always pinch myself, but I 652 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: go back to this, I don't get to be all 653 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: high and body because at the end of the day, 654 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm one hit away without God, I could be disposed 655 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 3: of if I don't stay in line with God's purpose 656 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: for my life. Then what he said, Okay, well I 657 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: don't need you no more. If you ain't finna keep 658 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 3: movies mouths doing. I need to do that, all right, homegirl, 659 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 3: check out if you want to, because you remember y'all 660 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: all these other things that waiting to jump on you, 661 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: like high blood pressures, che cold, not be all resident. 662 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 3: You ain't got none of that because I cover you. 663 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: So jump out there if you want to and see 664 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: what happens. So you know, I say that to say, 665 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 3: of course, I'm thrilled. Of course I pinched myself that 666 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: there's a mofie by me. I'm watching her player Atretha Franklin, 667 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: then watching her play me. I'm like, lord, you know 668 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 3: when I got that CNN hero Ward, it was fifty 669 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: thousand nominations, eight different countries, and I made to the 670 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: top ten. And I'm standing on stage where people who 671 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 3: go to war toward countries and create orphuanness, And I'm like, Lord, 672 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 3: I never see myself making the impact that I do 673 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 3: because I'm so busy doing the work. Right. 674 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 2: But you see the women whose lives you have impacted. 675 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: I saw when you were on Jennifer Hudson's show that 676 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: one of the women actually came on the show. 677 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: She's a registered nurse. 678 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's a registered nurse and now she's actually teaching 679 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: at the same school to try to gig her out 680 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: her neighbors. Keisha Murphy South Takeisha. She's doing amazing and 681 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 3: she's being that voice for other women. And because of Keisha, 682 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: we actually was able to go to Psycramento and make 683 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 3: a law so that that wouldn't happen to no other 684 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 3: female being ejected from a school because of a felony 685 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 3: convision after you've already collected the tuition. She was one 686 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand dollars in the death before they 687 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: kicked you out of school because of felling conviction that 688 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: she had fifteen years ago. 689 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: That's wild. 690 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 3: But see God, when she called me, God said move 691 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 3: on that. So I moved on that. And what I 692 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 3: did was I just start trying everything. Let's try to 693 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: call the senators, the common people, let them all know. 694 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: Let's try to get you the news and let them 695 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 3: all know. Let's try to find out the school's bylaws 696 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 3: and let's figure out where we can find up in there. 697 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: Let's go to some other schools trying to get you. 698 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 3: I just tried everything, and I didn't know she was 699 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 3: sitting there like, oh my god, what are we gonna 700 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 3: do next? But she was like, we were doing so 701 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 3: much right. I'm trying. I'm just trying everything. I don't 702 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: have one strategy. I know we gotta do what you 703 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: said if you breaking the lots from breaking laws and 704 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: making laws right and so, and that's true statement. We 705 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 3: changed the Welfare Reform Act, We've changed the Adoption Safe 706 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: Family Act. We have worked on a lot of stuff 707 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: for Prop. Forty seven, Prop thirty six, eight one on nine, 708 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: like anything to do with prison reform, where removing some 709 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: of those oppressed of Jim Crow type laws that would 710 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: oppress people of color. We have been pulling the onion's 711 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 3: back and on landing and lifting up the voices of 712 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 3: those most impacted. We truly believe the solution that we 713 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 3: need is within us, is nowhere else. And so when 714 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: we come to the table, we say, there's no meeting 715 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 3: about us without us. And so I like to just 716 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: give a shout out right now to Vanessa Perez. She's 717 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 3: running Type of Change Foundation and Young Leadership a Hispanic 718 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 3: women and she is amazing and she gives me the 719 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 3: ability to go out and do it. I didn't know 720 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 3: I could raise seven million dollars that I want to 721 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 3: go try it, but I wouldn't have did that bhind 722 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 3: a desk worrying about the next report, worrying about the 723 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 3: next right to hit the road. You have to hit 724 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 3: the road. And she allows me to be able to 725 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 3: do that and without looking back because she got that, 726 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And God has built up 727 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 3: her leadership to be able to run the organization. She's 728 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: less than forty years old, she's thirty three now, but 729 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 3: she's run a multi millionile organization and she's doing it 730 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: very very well. The fact that we have a multi 731 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: miniut organization. And just a shout out one more time, 732 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 3: we are having that upcoming gala going to be happening 733 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 3: in April the nineteenth, twenty twenty four insam Berdendo. You 734 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 3: can go to that website www dot Time for Change 735 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: Foundation all spelled out and we will love for people 736 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: come on to be a sponsor, you know, sponsoring some 737 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 3: of the women from the shelter to be able to attend. 738 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: I mean anyway you can support a donated items toward 739 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 3: our solid auction. We would love to be able to, 740 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 3: you know, offer somebody some Broadway tickets from New york Ers. 741 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: We definitely got you. 742 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 3: Trust me. 743 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: We're going to figure out some things that we can 744 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 2: do to make sure we support BEBOP. 745 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: Way up with because nothing for nothing. Kim Carter has 746 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: already committed oh yeah, yeah, definitely to outfitting. 747 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: I think she said three exactlys and our building in 748 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: in Detroit is going to be done at the end 749 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: of March. But I also want to make sure that 750 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 2: for some of the people that we are going to be, 751 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: you know, this building is for that they also do 752 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: have resources that they may need, because I think that's 753 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 2: important too, you know, to make sure that we can 754 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 2: help you have access to different resources because the truth 755 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: is that sometimes this world can paralyze you into not 756 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: acting at all. Fear, but yeah, the fear and also 757 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: just feeling like it's just hopeless and there's nothing you 758 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 2: can do. But the fact that you're you were able 759 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 2: to use that as a catalyst to really go forward 760 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: and create things that help other people. 761 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: Also, like you said, create laws, change laws. 762 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: All of those things I think are so important and 763 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: so inspiring for everybody to be able to see because 764 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 2: I think even now it's an election year and we 765 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: look at how many people are like, I'm not voting 766 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 2: for this person. 767 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: This person didn't do anything for me. But what did 768 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: you do? 769 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 2: You know, and while you wait now and you have 770 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 2: the power to do things, and you're living proof that 771 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: we do have the power to make change happen. 772 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: And it may not be overnight at all, you know, 773 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: usually it isn't. 774 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: But if you're not doing anything, then don't complain about 775 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: what's not getting done. 776 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 3: But my whole thing is that you can't look to 777 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,320 Speaker 3: other people, you know what I'm saying, Look to the heels, 778 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 3: look to the God that give you the support. God 779 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 3: gives me the messages, He gives me the vision, and 780 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 3: he gives me the provision. So you ask the boy 781 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 3: he gives me the provision. I can't complain about that, 782 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. The work is not hard. 783 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 3: It's like, are you courageous? Are you bothing enough? Did 784 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: you dare? Did you dare? Without your college degree? Go 785 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: and try to actually build affordable houses? What do you 786 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,879 Speaker 3: know about plans? I know the plans of Lord half 787 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: of my life. How about that for me to do well, 788 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 3: for me to prosperous, and me to be able to 789 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 3: help other people. I know that all the plans I 790 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: need to know. So that allowed me to build the 791 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 3: affordable house. And then we went on and did the 792 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 3: the b Boy Bbopcenter dot com dot com. You gotta 793 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 3: go to the Bebop Center. You gotta recognize we got 794 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 3: we got. We got Harriet Tutman flowing through there, lifting 795 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: up women, let them know that they can. We got 796 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 3: we got so general truth, letting you know that you 797 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,360 Speaker 3: come from greatness. I mean, we got the lowest worked 798 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 3: on the windows, like this is a place that is 799 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:31,840 Speaker 3: a cultural experience of progress, that let you know that 800 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: you are the next millionaire. You are the next billionaire. 801 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,880 Speaker 3: And if nothing is stopping us, nothing's stopping us. 802 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,040 Speaker 2: Sis well, Kim, I want to close it out with 803 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 2: the thoughts on mister Tillman, who is this man that 804 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: you're married to? Now? 805 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,879 Speaker 3: I want you to know God is so good my men, 806 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 3: my man, you know what God sent me, an angel, 807 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 3: He sent me exactly what I need. During the COVID, 808 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 3: I laid in that apartment and I was that in 809 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 3: the Bay Area. I looked around at all them brand 810 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 3: new clothes and shoes, and I like. 811 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: The fact that you're moving and gyrating while you're talking about. 812 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 3: It, I'm say yeah. I looked around and I asked, Lord, 813 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 3: have I forsaken me? Because that the mental health that 814 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 3: I experienced of being isolated for so long with not 815 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 3: surrounded with my family of friends. Because I had moved 816 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,720 Speaker 3: from Sothern, California into the Bay Area to expand our business, 817 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 3: so I was only up there for one year open 818 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 3: up the first home called Righting Feutures for Women, and 819 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,200 Speaker 3: then the COVID hit, so I wasn't even in a 820 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 3: place I really wanted to live forever. That was just 821 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 3: like temporary housing until I got ready get to where 822 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: I wanted to be. And I got stuck up in there, 823 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 3: and I was like, why have God forsaken me? And 824 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 3: God told me he gonna give me exactly what I needed. 825 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 3: And I needed somebody to cared for my soul. I 826 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 3: didn't need another person come to me with another business. 827 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 3: I did. I get nothing on my own right. I 828 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 3: need somebody say did you drink your water? Bab? Baby? 829 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 3: He go your food? Baby? Did you get your rest? Baby? 830 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 3: Your move? You wait? You wanted to watch his on? 831 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 3: I needed somebody to care for me. And when I 832 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 3: love about my my husband is that he didn't even 833 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 3: have the ability to learn how to google me or 834 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 3: any of that. So when he got with me, he 835 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 3: loved me from my heart. He didn't have He just 836 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 3: had to come out of prison for doing a long time, 837 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 3: so he didn't know how to research it. Oh, she 838 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 3: got to going on he had. He was clueless to 839 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,359 Speaker 3: all that. So here's a person who's authentic, who loves 840 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,400 Speaker 3: me for me. I love him, and even I was 841 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 3: so hesitant about revealing my feelings because I felt like, 842 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 3: let this man finished reinjuring society. He's doing great. Don't 843 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: impose yourself, you know, don't I felt like that, like 844 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,840 Speaker 3: I shouldn't. I talked to my pastor, my sponsor, like, 845 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, I'm feeling some kind of way, but it's 846 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,839 Speaker 3: not less, it's something else. I was feeling so much 847 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 3: peace and calm from this man because I got the 848 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 3: storm in here and in his presence, I just feel. 849 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 2: Like, somebody can you could you could allow somebody to 850 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: take care of you, because sometimes that's hard to do. 851 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,880 Speaker 3: They said that, they said it. I thought I was 852 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 3: allowing people, but apparently I wasn't. But yes, what I 853 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 3: allowed it. But I never would say nothing to him 854 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 3: that He looked up one day. He was putting some 855 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 3: apple trees in the back of my yard, and he 856 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 3: looked up and he said, you know nobody can't to 857 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 3: now his connection. I was like, huh, and you can hear. 858 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 3: I was like, I was like, huh. He said, you 859 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,279 Speaker 3: know nobody can't. I said the connection to me. He said, man, 860 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,719 Speaker 3: you got in Seriously, me and this man connected like 861 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 3: this on day one with just childhood trauma. Experienced this 862 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,279 Speaker 3: for just how we was treated by the system for 863 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 3: pain and suffering and not never getting no healing, just 864 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 3: how he had been incarcerated, never had committed about prime 865 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,759 Speaker 3: in his life, but just society's ways. We can't do 866 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 3: anything with you, bam, and they put him up in 867 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 3: a cage and then to not have the family support 868 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,239 Speaker 3: that we needed to lift us up. His family was 869 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,960 Speaker 3: still off on drugs and everything else. Nobody was there 870 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 3: writing for ales for him. He had no support poxept 871 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 3: for his mother, and my people wasn't doing My people 872 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 3: love to see me in prison. In prison, I sent 873 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 3: checks out, So why would we want you out here 874 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 3: where you're gonna be smoking up everything? Like you need 875 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 3: to be in it where you can kick in right 876 00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 3: so we had all this in comment and we just 877 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 3: melt together, you know. And my birthday he got on 878 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 3: his knees and asked me to marry and had a 879 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 3: nice little ring too. I was like, we want to 880 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 3: bad sell, you know. My mom was like, I hope 881 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 3: he spend all the savings. You know, I never want 882 00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 3: s'e nobody going broke. 883 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:16,680 Speaker 2: You know. 884 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 3: But he did what he wanted to do and we 885 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 3: got we got married and it's been wonderful. I was 886 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 3: married now. 887 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,320 Speaker 1: Oh well, congratulations Tillman. 888 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 2: All right, Well, Kim Crater Tillman, thank you so much 889 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: for joining me today. I know that you and I 890 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 2: are going to do a lot more together just because 891 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 2: of how we connected. It wasn't none a no apple 892 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 2: to you or nothing, but I definitely appreciate you and 893 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 2: what you've done for so many other people too, I 894 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 2: think is important. And congratulations on. I know you don't 895 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 2: do it at all for the accolades, but they are 896 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:52,760 Speaker 2: well deserved. 897 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. You know, I just want to 898 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 3: be here to help others, Like I say, I want 899 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,879 Speaker 3: to help you lift up through the women, Like that's 900 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 3: the cost that I can stand behind all day long. Right, 901 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 3: So we all, it's enough room for all of us 902 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 3: to do something. Yes, it's enough room for all we need. Yeah, 903 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 3: we know it because nobody has solved the whole issue yet. 904 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 3: So like at the end of the day, there's still 905 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 3: work to be done. And so I love being around 906 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 3: in powers. So anytime you have anything it kind of speaking. 907 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 3: I'm a motivational speaker. Like I really can't command the crowd. 908 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 3: I have a lot of different excuits. I got a 909 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 3: bout myself, so called me. 910 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,480 Speaker 1: All right, well, Kim Carter, Kim Carter Tillman, thank you 911 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: so much. Again. 912 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 2: The book is waking up to my purpose. Make sure 913 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 2: you watch tell it like a woman, so you can 914 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 2: actually see some of that story. But waking up to 915 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: my purpose, you can see the full story. And we 916 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 2: are really petitioning for this full feature length film to 917 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,480 Speaker 2: get done. And to all the women that you've helped, 918 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,759 Speaker 2: you know, I see them in the comments. I see 919 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,399 Speaker 2: just the actual living proof of that, and I think 920 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 2: that's important. The b Bop Center, make sure y'all come 921 00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 2: out April nineteenth if there's any way you can support. 922 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,839 Speaker 1: You know, all that information is there. 923 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, Auel Gala is there. And I also have My 924 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 3: own web site is called kims champ dot com dot 925 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 3: k I M. Sens and Sam Champ like the Champion 926 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 3: dot com and check me out 927 00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: All right, thank you so much