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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire, Fam, it's your boy, Jason

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Speaker 2: McIntyre here on Straight Fire for Wednesday, June the fourth,

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Speaker 2: But we have breaking news, so we're actually recording this Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: June third, because about two hours ago, in a shocking development,

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Speaker 2: no less than two hours ago, Tom Thibodeau, the New

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Speaker 2: York Knicks coach, fired by the Knicks with thy million

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Speaker 2: dollars remaining on his contract in absolute stunner. Now, the

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Speaker 2: problem being in sports media and having to have a

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Speaker 2: take all the time. A couple months ago, when the

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Speaker 2: Knicks were flailing and struggling and going winless against the

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Speaker 2: Calves and the Celtics in the regular season, I came

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Speaker 2: out here and I was like, Hey, Michael Malone, the

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Speaker 2: market Tibeau struggling. Let's go get Michael Malone. Then the

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Speaker 2: postseason happened and the Knicks beat the Pistons in kind

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Speaker 2: of dramatic fashion. Jalen Brunson was clutch. Then they dethrown

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Speaker 2: the defending champion Celtics. And by the way, I ran

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Speaker 2: into Paul Pierce at Fox and I said, oh man,

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Speaker 2: what a shocker. The next Fire Thibadeau after their greatest

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Speaker 2: season in twenty five years and Paul Pierce, Now it

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Speaker 2: should be noted he's a big Celtics guy. He's like,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean, greatest season in twenty five years.

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Speaker 2: I was like, they haven't made the conference finals this

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Speaker 2: century and he's like, no, it wasn't that great of

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Speaker 2: a season.

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Speaker 3: They only won fifty games.

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Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, what season was better? And then

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Speaker 2: mister Celtic got into The Knicks got lucky, the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: We were injured.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I hear that, I'm like, Paul, I'm out, bro.

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Speaker 2: Jason Tata went down in Game four when the Knicks

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Speaker 2: were leading in the fourth quarter. Okay, let's not act

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Speaker 2: like that cost him the series. Obviously, him getting hurt,

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Speaker 2: it ended any chance of Boston getting back in it.

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Speaker 2: But this narrative that the Knicks only won because the

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Speaker 2: Celtics were hurt, that's balder dash. Come on, get out

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Speaker 2: of here with that crap. And then the Knicks, yes

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Speaker 2: favored against the Pacers, had a bit of a disappointment

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Speaker 2: and losing six. But I thought I saw moves from

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Speaker 2: Thibodeau that my reaction when we came out with the

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Speaker 2: Knicks post mortem earlier this week was, Hey, you know,

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Speaker 2: I thought Thibodau did a good job, took down the Celtics,

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Speaker 2: good adjustments in the Pacers series. They just weren't good enough.

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Speaker 2: You know, the roster's not quite there. We're close. I

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Speaker 2: don't think we need any dramatic changes. And you know

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Speaker 2: that seemed to be the sentiment echoed by a lot

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Speaker 2: of Knicks reporters, right, TIB's probably safe, Kat probably not

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Speaker 2: getting traded. And then here we are, boom, a huge,

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Speaker 2: huge blockbuster move with the Knicks firing Tom Thibodeau. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no other way to look at it, guys.

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Speaker 2: James Dolan has been largely away from the Knicks, the owner,

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Speaker 2: the medaling owner. He had the Sphere as a big

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Speaker 2: side project in Vegas that became a huge deal. Dolan

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Speaker 2: was not really involved. It's difficult for me to envision.

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Speaker 2: Dolan was not behind this. And Leon Rose sat on

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Speaker 2: the grenade for him and said, hey, you know, this

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Speaker 2: is a joint effort of the front office and ownership.

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Speaker 2: Like the Knicks are close going into next season, notatum.

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Speaker 2: I think the favorites in the East undeniably are Nicks, Pacers, Calves.

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Speaker 1: Maybe in that.

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Speaker 3: Order we'll see.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but I don't know that I can

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Speaker 2: get behind firing Tims. The problem, Rob is the names

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Speaker 2: on the market pretty spicy. We can start with Michael Malone,

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Speaker 2: who I pushed to be the coach, you know, as

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Speaker 2: a Knicks were struggling there in the regular season. You've

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Speaker 2: got Frank Vogel out here in Los Angeles who has

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Speaker 2: won a championship. And by the way, he's playing golf

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Speaker 2: with my buddy here. So I was like, listen, you

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Speaker 2: in the next week or two, Hey, you gotta ask

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Speaker 2: about the next job. I don't know that Voga would get,

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Speaker 2: but he won a championship. You've got Budenholzer, who was

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Speaker 2: run off one and done in Phoenix. And I think

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Speaker 2: the most interesting name, Rob is if you think back

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Speaker 2: to how the Lakers when they fired Darvin Ham, Lebron

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Speaker 2: was doing a podcast with JJ Reddick. Reddick came off

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Speaker 2: very smart, Reddick got the job. So who did Lebron

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Speaker 2: move on to do the podcast with Steve Nash, who

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Speaker 2: is a former NBA coach. Didn't show well in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: but he kind of got screwed by Kyrie Irving, who

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Speaker 2: did not want him there from the jump. Remember we

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Speaker 2: don't even need a head coach. And oh, by the way,

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Speaker 2: Steve Nash still living with his family in Brooklyn, so

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Speaker 2: it's not like there's a big move to be made there.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder rob thirty million dollars out to Thibodeau.

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Speaker 2: I don't I think they're gonna break the bank for

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Speaker 2: somebody when you owe that kind of money. Is this

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Speaker 2: a world where hey, Nash could be on the cheap

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Speaker 2: or is there a Dan Hurley option? Dan Hurley coming

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Speaker 2: off of you can't remember the Lakers made a move

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Speaker 2: on him lat summer. It didn't work out. Hurley seems

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Speaker 2: like a Northeast guy. It's very gruff, but popular in

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Speaker 2: that area. The Knicks got options and Dolan, Oh boy,

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Speaker 2: this is gonna get spicy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they got options because the're the Knicks.

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Speaker 4: Knicks are always gonna have options, right. I mean at

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Speaker 4: the time when they got Tom Thibodeau, he was considered

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Speaker 4: one of the premier coaches available on the market. You

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Speaker 4: know that he wasn't the guy to blame for what

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Speaker 4: went wrong in Minnesota. It was, you know, the Jimmy

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Speaker 4: strong as they aim to be. It Waskar Anthony Towns,

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Speaker 4: you know too willingly becoming the second banana instead of

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Speaker 4: being the lead dog that they needed. So of course

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have options. The problem is, you know, we'll

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Speaker 4: work backwards. Dan Hurley, I think if he wasn't gona

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Speaker 4: going to the NBA, that's just what I think, point

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Speaker 4: Because, you know, even though it ended pretty spectacularly there

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Speaker 4: time that it wasn't necessarily Steve Nash's fault because you

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Speaker 4: don't even need a coach, like, you know, I could

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Speaker 4: be the coach, KD could be the coach. Jacques von

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Speaker 4: could be the coach and we'd be just fine because

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Speaker 4: we have so much talent between myself and and KD.

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Speaker 3: So when Nash was there, he was.

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Speaker 4: You know, we never even got to see whether I

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Speaker 3: They all went sideway.

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Speaker 4: So that's interesting when as far as Mike Malone goes.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he's the most accomplished guy on the list.

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Speaker 4: Of course, he's the guy with the closest ties of

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Speaker 4: the knicks. The The only issue that you've run into

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Speaker 4: with him and I think that if you were to

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Speaker 4: issue you run into it with him is that how

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Speaker 4: many Nuggets players came out and defended Mike Malone after

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Speaker 4: he got fired with like a week ago in the season.

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Speaker 3: I don't wear at zero.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, nobody came out to damn man. Malone got

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Speaker 4: the you got he got job, bro, like it wasn't

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Speaker 4: his fault. You know, we have a thin roster. He

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Speaker 4: didn't want to play the young guys. Oh and by

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Speaker 4: the way, think of that. One of the issues that

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Speaker 4: you people have with Tom Thibeau. He didn't play the

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Speaker 4: young guys enough. Wasn't that the same issue that Mike

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Speaker 4: Malone had in Denver? He wasn't playing the young guys enough.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I don't see a clear, obvious upgrade over

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Speaker 4: Tom Thibodau in the situation, and that that primarily is

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Speaker 4: your problem. You're you're you're just shuffling the deck chairs,

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Speaker 4: you know, in hopes that you're gonna hit lightning in

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Speaker 4: a bottle when we don't know for sure anybody's going

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Speaker 2: That makes it difficult, But you don't make this move

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Speaker 2: after what Brunson said. Remember in the after I don't

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Speaker 2: know if it was the exit interviewer right after Game six,

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Speaker 2: but Brunson was basically asked by somebody in the media, Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know, uh is Thibodeau the right guy? And he

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Speaker 2: was like, is that a serious question you're asking?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I Mean, Brunson looked stonefaced, like, that's my guy. I

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Speaker 2: don't think that the Knicks make this move unless they

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Speaker 2: had somebody in mind, right is that? Is that a

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Speaker 2: fair statement? Because absolutely, I don't know if Tibbs was beloved,

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Speaker 2: but I do know this, the team was beloved. I mean,

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Speaker 2: basking in this. And I just I wonder if they

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Speaker 4: I'm sure that's what it is. And I also think,

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Speaker 4: and this maybe leads to a different conversation. I also

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Speaker 4: think that Tibbs kind of scapegoatd here because as we

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Speaker 4: all know, you know, James don't interestingly enough, was on

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Speaker 4: the Jalen Bruns and Josh Hart podcast back in March

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Speaker 4: and he was talking about, you know, his past dealings

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Speaker 4: were times when we sort of reach for that shiny,

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Speaker 4: sparkly object. Maybe this is what we need, especially when

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Speaker 4: things were going well, Let's bring in this guy.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it'll turn it around for us. Sometimes it's player.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes as a coach, what I learned over time is

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Speaker 4: that doesn't work, really doesn't.

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Speaker 3: You have to have fundamentals, the basics, so on and

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Speaker 3: so forth.

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Speaker 4: So this obviously flies in the face of that, which

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Speaker 4: leads me to believe that this move was made partly

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Speaker 4: because I'm sure they have someone lined up. I think

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Speaker 4: to your point, I think that's obvious. It leads me

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Speaker 4: to believe that Leon Rose is using Tibbs as a

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Speaker 4: scapegoat because, as we know, Leon roses Jalen Bruns's godfather's godfather.

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Speaker 4: He's Karl Anthony Towns's former agent. And while that sounds

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Speaker 4: good on paper, those two guys, the Brunson pick and

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Speaker 4: pop with Kat was deadly for the first three months.

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Speaker 4: We talked about it earlier this week. Towards the end

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Speaker 4: of the season, teams to figure them out. They had

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Speaker 4: a negative point differential for that you know, perfect starting

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Speaker 4: five that Knicks fans talk about between Brunson, Cat Bridges,

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Speaker 4: Og and Josh Hart. So maybe this is Leon Rose saying,

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Speaker 4: I know this works. I know that even though Jalen

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Speaker 4: doesn't really play defense and Cat doesn't play defense, and

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Speaker 4: we're playing Og forty million dollars to stand in the

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Speaker 4: corner and shoot threes, and we gave him a five

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Speaker 4: first round pick for mcal to be a three and

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Speaker 4: D guy rather than do anything on the ball. Maybe

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Speaker 4: we just need a new coach to bring it out

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Speaker 4: of him, because I know this works, and honestly, as

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Speaker 4: a Laker fan, feels very Frank Vogel to me, where

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Speaker 2: don't know, rob is there a world where you can

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Speaker 4: Mcal Bridges and og Ananobi are absolutely I believe worth

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Speaker 4: The problem is where they slotted him in and how

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Speaker 3: Forty cents on the dollar, you know.

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Speaker 4: And as far as Mical goes, I don't see them

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Speaker 2: Jay Right now if they get him, that's a great,

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Speaker 2: and like he walked away from college a lot of

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Speaker 3: I believed in the camaraderie.

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Speaker 3: Whoever they bring it.

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Speaker 4: determine Jalen, we need you to not be pounding the

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Speaker 4: mccal is going to be operating as the guy league

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Speaker 3: Sometimes it's Cat, Sometimes it's O g. Hell. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 4: Who's going to be running the show while you're standing

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Speaker 2: Does a coach exist?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do we know of a coach who can

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Speaker 3: Rob Well.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the fact is that when you have those

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Speaker 2: Okay, how's this And it's hypothetical, which is always a

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Speaker 2: swept by OKC or lost for one, is tiboeau fired?

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Speaker 2: Tibbs they had one playoff series win, they had three

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Speaker 2: I mean they got second round, second round, and conference finals.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that progress?

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Speaker 3: Of course it is. But if that's all should be

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Speaker 2: Right, if you're TIBs, you kind of got to be shocked.

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Speaker 2: Tibbs is not gonna want his coaching career to end

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Speaker 2: he's sixty seven, damn So with the Derrick Rose Bulls

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Speaker 2: made the conference finals. With the Timberwolves, he had some

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Speaker 2: okay years. It's by guy's been consistently working in the

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Speaker 2: NBA assistant in Minnesota, Spurs, Sixers, Nicks Rocket. I see

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Speaker 2: no time off at all. This guy is a grinder.

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Speaker 2: It looks like he actually between the Bulls and Ti Wolves.

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Speaker 2: He might have taken a few months off. But man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if Knicks fans are kind of shocked.

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Speaker 2: I haven't detected glee, like, yes, he's gone, have you?

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Speaker 3: Not at all?

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Speaker 4: Not from Knicks fans, so not from Nicks media. It's

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Speaker 4: anyone who's cheering about it is national because they have

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Speaker 4: this perception that the Knicks should be better and that

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Speaker 4: they melted down things like that, which you can make

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Speaker 4: that argument, but you know, as my daughter's screaming in

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Speaker 4: the background, But but what you got to say is

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Speaker 4: that Knicks fans know that they're long suffering, that this

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Speaker 4: is a They have not been this good in a

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Speaker 4: long time. All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Knicks day to new head coach. Always fun

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Speaker 2: to get big breaking news in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: dull week. We're back on Thursday. Talk to you then,