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<v Speaker 1>This is me, Craig Ferguson. I'm inviting you to come

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<v Speaker 1>and see my brand new comedy hour. Well it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>it's about an hour and a half and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have an opener because these guys cost money. But what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying is I'll be on stage for a while. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>come and see me live on the Pants on Fire

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Craig Ferguson show dot com. See you

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<v Speaker 1>on the road, my DearS. My name is Craig Ferguson.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of this podcast is Joy. I talk to

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<v Speaker 1>interest in people about what brings them happiness. Hello everybody,

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<v Speaker 1>So let me begin with an old fashioned but traditional

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<v Speaker 1>way of starting out anything I do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great day for America, everybody. I won't say

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<v Speaker 2>that a ton right now, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody gets mad. Everybody gets mad if I say it's

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<v Speaker 1>a great day for America. People who think it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a great day for America, and they argue with people

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<v Speaker 1>that do think it's a great day for America. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the thing I say because you know, anyway, look,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the thing, this is the Joy Podcast. Normally I

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<v Speaker 1>talk to people who I want to talk to or

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes and I'll be honest with you, I don't really

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to at all, but I think, oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk to them because see if I can find

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<v Speaker 1>any common ground because that's kind of what I look

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<v Speaker 1>to do when I'm talking to someone that's finds some

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<v Speaker 1>common ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not hugely popular right now because common ground and

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<v Speaker 1>agreement isn't clickbait friendly, you know what I'm saying. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like no one wants to see people agreeing

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<v Speaker 1>about things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I know that. I mean not that I do

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<v Speaker 2>this for people to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I do it because it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>it interests me to talk to people about anything, whether

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<v Speaker 1>they be celebrities or not, if they're just interested in

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<v Speaker 1>walks of life. And that was the whole idea of

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<v Speaker 1>doing this podcast, was to talk to interest in people

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff that they do. And now interesting doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with them, it just means interesting. I'm like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>why tell me why you think that? But it was

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<v Speaker 1>suggested to me, and I kind of liked the idea of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because one of the most popular bits we

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<v Speaker 1>did on the old late night show was that Tweets

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<v Speaker 1>an Email segment when I would get tweets and emails

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<v Speaker 1>from people who would just send them in and I

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<v Speaker 1>never looked at them before, and I would like, get

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<v Speaker 1>the tweet an email and that would just talk to them.

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<v Speaker 1>I would answer the tweet or the email and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and figure out what was going on from there. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was as somebody said, why don't you, Why don't

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<v Speaker 1>you try that on the Joint podcast. So the upshot

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<v Speaker 1>of it is, we are going to try that today.

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<v Speaker 1>So the guest on the Joy podcast today is you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is You? Is You? Because I like the idea. I

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<v Speaker 2>like the idea of trying it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I have here there's a bunch of tweets

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<v Speaker 1>and emails that people have sent and via the social

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<v Speaker 1>media and such. Now look full disclosure, I'm not really

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<v Speaker 1>on that social media much, you know, the the Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and the Twitter x account or twis account that I have,

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<v Speaker 1>or Facebook or any of the things, or YouTube or anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't really look at that too much because not

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<v Speaker 1>for any kind of it used to be I think

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<v Speaker 1>a snobby thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But really, really what it's about is about mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>It drives me crazy if I dig into that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me depressed, so I kind of stay away

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<v Speaker 1>from it. But Tomas, who I work with, who produces

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<v Speaker 1>this to Matsuzakopal, who's a lovely man from the Czech

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<v Speaker 1>Republic or as we must learned to call it now Checkia,

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<v Speaker 1>although he doesn't like saying that, but he monitors the

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<v Speaker 1>social media and he looks at it and he put

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<v Speaker 1>together the questions.

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<v Speaker 2>For you to ask me today.

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<v Speaker 1>So written a here on these is a selection of

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<v Speaker 1>tweets and emails that people have sent and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to answer them and we'll.

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<v Speaker 2>See where we go from there.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's see, this is from email and email from

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<v Speaker 1>Stuart McMillan. Can you name the bars you worked in

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<v Speaker 1>London and Glasgow and how many still exist? Well it's

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<v Speaker 1>very easy one that because I never worked in any

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<v Speaker 1>bars in London at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I only drank.

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<v Speaker 1>I drank in some bars in London and I was

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<v Speaker 1>thrown out, thrown out some bars in London, some pretty

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good ones too. But I never worked in any

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<v Speaker 1>of them. It was really interested in supplying. I was

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<v Speaker 1>more interested in consuming. I did work in one bar

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<v Speaker 1>in Glasgow. I ex actually I love that job, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was in a It was the upstairs bar of

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<v Speaker 1>a restaurant called the Ubiquitous Chip in Glasgow. That was

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the It's a very fancy restaurant. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very popular. It's still there and if you've going

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<v Speaker 1>to Glasgow, please spend your increasingly devalued American dollar there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a very fancy restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>And upstairs they had a bar where they sold a

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<v Speaker 1>beer called Fustenberg. Fustenburg is a German lager beer which

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<v Speaker 1>they sold on tap. I think you can get it

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<v Speaker 1>in more places now, but in the time when I

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<v Speaker 1>work there, it would be the mid to late eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the only place that I knew of, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>in Scotland that I knew of, that you could buy

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<v Speaker 1>Fustenburg lager beer on tap. Now this stuff is very,

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<v Speaker 1>very strong, and the bar itself was very close to

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<v Speaker 1>Glasgow University, and Glasgow University academics used to come in

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<v Speaker 1>and say, I'll take a lager beer, because that's how

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<v Speaker 1>academics talk. And I would say, well, okay, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have one, but you can't have any more than you

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<v Speaker 1>can have anyone too. They would have two of them

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<v Speaker 1>and they'd be like, what are you talking about, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'd have four and then we'd have to call the police.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very strong beer, that's what I'm saying for

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<v Speaker 1>Bustenburg Lager beer.

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<v Speaker 2>And I worked in that. I love that. Joe.

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<v Speaker 1>Working in that bar I think was the best training

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<v Speaker 1>ever for what I ended up doing later on, like

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<v Speaker 1>doing stand up and doing you know, the late night

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<v Speaker 1>show and interview shows and stuff and even game shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Because it was very improvisational. You were dealing with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of noise and a lot of different stimulus, a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different people all trying to get your attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and you had to improvise. You had to improvise a

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<v Speaker 1>great deal, and improvisation is fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It. It was kind of like the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You see young comics now they do crowd work in

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<v Speaker 1>clubs and they film themselves doing crowd work and then

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<v Speaker 1>they put it up on the internet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I didn't do that though, because crowd work,

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<v Speaker 1>which basically working in a bar like.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of is crowd work. You know, you just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like, hey, where are you from? Where you're

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<v Speaker 2>dumb or wherever? The thing is.

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<v Speaker 1>That I don't know how much I would want that

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<v Speaker 1>recorded for later. It's one of the things I think about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with younger people now, particularly younger performers. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's great that they have access to so much

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<v Speaker 1>media so quickly, But I also think there's a downside

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<v Speaker 1>to it, which is, and you know, many of running

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<v Speaker 1>too this already, that a lot of the stuff you

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<v Speaker 1>do when you're starting now isn't perhaps your best stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>or your most sensitive stuff, or your more thought out stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you're more considered stuff, and you end up

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<v Speaker 2>it comes back and gets you later on. I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be that.

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<v Speaker 2>There seems to be.

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<v Speaker 1>A real thrust right now in all forms of particularly

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment media, which is I mean, really, what is that

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<v Speaker 1>but to try and find to catch somebody out at

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<v Speaker 1>some point in their career, and you know, and shame

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<v Speaker 1>shame them for a clumsy thing they said, or a

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<v Speaker 1>silly thing they said.

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<v Speaker 2>It's time to me, it's hand to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's mean spirited and mean spirited

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<v Speaker 1>of course gets clicks. There was a project that my son,

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<v Speaker 1>my younger son, was given in school. The teacher gave

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<v Speaker 1>them he said that you have twenty minutes twenty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>to find a piece of good news on conventional media.

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<v Speaker 1>Go out and find a piece of good news. And

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<v Speaker 1>they really struggle to find it. You know, because when

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<v Speaker 1>you watch the news back in the day when TV

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<v Speaker 1>was a thing, you know, they would be all the

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<v Speaker 1>terrible yews about what was going on, but the end

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<v Speaker 1>it was always, you know, a parrot that could write,

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<v Speaker 1>a skateboard or a pig that could sing Dixie or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and it cheered everybody up towards the end of the news.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, of course that impulse is.

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<v Speaker 1>Taken over by I guess TikTok and Instagram, where you

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<v Speaker 1>see parents that can do skateboards or dogs that can

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<v Speaker 1>juggle or stuff like that. But but I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a lot of it is you can get

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<v Speaker 1>too much of it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mean you can get too much good news.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you can get too much of that stuff

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't do anything anyway. What the hell was I talking about?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, what I'm saying is I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's a great idea for young performers to have everything

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<v Speaker 1>out there right away, but you know, the genies out

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<v Speaker 1>of the bottle, that's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad it didn't happen to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So I worked in one bar in Glasgow, which I

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<v Speaker 1>really loved working there. You know, if I wasn't an

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<v Speaker 1>alcoholic who was sober and I am still sober by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, thanks Internet rumors, but I've been sober for thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years now, over thirty three years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny how you get the sense some people would

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<v Speaker 1>really be delighted if I if I wasn't sober. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if I'm imagining that, if I'm paranoid or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the idea that people be like, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>say it doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 2>It works if you work it the uh. But the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, having stuff out there when you're young, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. But this is always the problem I've had

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<v Speaker 1>with performance. I like to perform live because when it's done,

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<v Speaker 1>it's done, it's over, and it's finished, and everybody goes

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<v Speaker 1>away and you remember it the way you remember it,

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<v Speaker 1>whether you liked it, you didn't like it, It's up

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<v Speaker 1>to you. But now you know the struggle. The kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tension I feel was is I don't really like

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<v Speaker 1>and I've never really enjoyed visibility. I like, obviously, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to have it. I want people to come to

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<v Speaker 1>the show, and so they need to know who I am,

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<v Speaker 1>and they need to know where I'm playing and what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing, and I want to entertaining people.

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<v Speaker 2>I like doing it. I love doing it. It's my thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I struggle with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of visibility because.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It makes me feel uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like maybe I'm just I think it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>one to have your cake and eat it, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a phrase I've never understood anyway. I mean, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>point of having a cake and not eating it. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he wants to have his cake and eat it. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>what else are you going to do with a fucking cake?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it doesn't make any sense to it anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The short answer to the question hang on my nose

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<v Speaker 1>is running a bit. That's probably the cocaine A. The

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<v Speaker 1>short answer to the question can you name the bars

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<v Speaker 1>you worked in? I worked in one. It's called the

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<v Speaker 1>u Beiguitous Chip in Glasgow. Gosh, I mean a bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Try and cut these answers down a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna be here all day and we're not Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Greig Ferguson and I want to let you

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<v Speaker 1>know I have a brand new stand up comedy special

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<v Speaker 1>out now on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy and

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<v Speaker 1>I would be so happy if you checked it out

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<v Speaker 1>watch the special. Just go to my YouTube channel at

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<v Speaker 1>the Craig Ferguson Show and is this right there?

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<v Speaker 2>Just click it and play it and it's free. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't look.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna come around your house and show you

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it. If you can't do it, then

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<v Speaker 1>you can't have it. But if you can figure it out,

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<v Speaker 1>it's yours. This is from Moss Wheeling. That's a lovely name,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't it, moss Wheeling. It sounds like a like a

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<v Speaker 1>village in the middle of England somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to moss Wheeling. Joy the cricket.

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<v Speaker 1>Moss says, would you ever make a puppet show for kids?

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<v Speaker 1>The rabbit on your old show always seemed joyful? Yeah, nah, nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do a publish show for kids.

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<v Speaker 2>That's it. It's a nice short answer. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. I want to really do a puplish show. Friend.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved doing the puppets on the Late Night Show.

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<v Speaker 1>But the reason we did the puppets on the Late

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<v Speaker 1>Night Show, and I think I've talked about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Before, but it was because we had no money. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>If you look, if you go and look back at

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<v Speaker 1>the countless millions of pirated clips of that my old

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<v Speaker 1>Late Night Show on YouTube, on the internet everywhere, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>see that the show that I was making at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>we were making five shows a week, and we had really,

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<v Speaker 1>honestly no money to make the show we were making it.

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<v Speaker 1>We had no band, we had very few writers, we

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<v Speaker 1>had very few resources a lot of the times, particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in the first eight years of the show. In the

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<v Speaker 1>last two years, we had a slightly bigger studio, but

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<v Speaker 1>in the first eight years of the show, the studio

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<v Speaker 1>was so small that if we had a guest band on,

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<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, Adele was on, or the Damned

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<v Speaker 1>or the sex Pistols or the buzz Coos or whoever

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<v Speaker 1>it was on Echo and the Bunnyman. Okay, go whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you understand what band is. But when they were on

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<v Speaker 1>the show, we had to record the band first, play

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<v Speaker 1>their music, and then we had to move all their

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<v Speaker 1>equipment off so we could get the late night equipment on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I would do the show, and at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the show, when the band would be on,

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<v Speaker 1>I would pretend to introduce the band, and then we

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<v Speaker 1>would edit the band in. But I'd already seen them

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<v Speaker 1>and so with everyone else.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't ideal, but it worked for us anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The puppet thing was we just saw some puppets lying

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<v Speaker 1>around the office, and we don't all try that, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's resonated with people. People do love puppets, I think

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<v Speaker 1>because puppets can say things that humans aren't allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the convention, isn't it. And I think that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>The best example of that, of course, it's a former

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<v Speaker 1>guest on this show is a triumph the Insult comedy

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<v Speaker 1>Insult Dog. It was a fabulous puppet.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think I would do a puppet show

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<v Speaker 2>for kids or for anyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, never say never. This is from swackhar Ghosts.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm pronouncing that probably swack car ghosts see

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<v Speaker 1>you maybe go see I don't know, Swakhar. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>very nice name, so it's maybe Indian.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I've probably annoyed a bunch of people

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<v Speaker 2>by even suggesting.

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<v Speaker 1>That it might not be. I don't know wherever it's from. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>It's an innocent mistake. But Swakar says, I'm getting married

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<v Speaker 1>in November this year. Any advice for a healthy married life. No, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I might have some advice for the healthy

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<v Speaker 1>married life.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's to do with this. This is coffee. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>I won't lie to you. I was married a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of times the three.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I was married once in the eighties

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years. That was a I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>look nothing about the lovely woman I was married to,

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<v Speaker 1>but we were both drinking a lot, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a marriage as I understand it now. And

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<v Speaker 1>then I was married in nineteen ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I got my again, and.

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<v Speaker 1>That was you know, it was what it was, and

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't work out, but we had a lovely son

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<v Speaker 1>who is obviously still my son and who.

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<v Speaker 2>I love very much, so that was great. And the

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<v Speaker 2>boon from that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been married now since two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's what I would say. It's coffee coffee time

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<v Speaker 1>because every morning, whether I'm like on the road and

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<v Speaker 1>away from home or in or at home, we have

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<v Speaker 1>coffee time.

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<v Speaker 2>Every morning. We sit down, we have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>very good coffee, and we talk.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of the times, I'd say maybe like

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<v Speaker 1>eighty percent of the time, I don't talk that much.

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<v Speaker 2>I listened to a lot of thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of you know, my wife is very

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<v Speaker 1>is very plugged into news and current events and politics.

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<v Speaker 1>She pays a great deal attention to all that. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually don't I feel like something BIG's gonna happen, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear about it, probably from her, And that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>where I get my news. It's a trusted source. So

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<v Speaker 1>we we have coffee time because news now. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the conflicts I have about even doing

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<v Speaker 1>this what I'm doing right now, which is everything in media.

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<v Speaker 1>All media is social media. There's no you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but social media. When they talk about legacy media,

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<v Speaker 1>you go, what are you talking about. Everything's a fucking website.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is you know, everything everybody's got their tweets and

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<v Speaker 1>their you know, their instagrams and their social media. Everyone's

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<v Speaker 1>looking for traffic on their site, which you know, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's but that's what it is. And and I

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<v Speaker 1>find that And I don't know if you guys know this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I find the the hyperbolic nature of reporting to

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<v Speaker 1>be exhausting, really honestly, honesty, goodness exhausting, and I find

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<v Speaker 1>it depressing. It's like, you go, this is a really

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<v Speaker 1>big thing that's gonna happen, and we should all be worried.

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<v Speaker 1>And then then nothing happens or something does happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>what the fuck did the worrying?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know? Did that help? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know a lot of people disagree with me, like, no,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got to stay connected to what's going on, But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I don't know, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 1>if I really fucking do. I mean, especially now that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm married to someone who is connected to what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll hear it from her and that's a trusted source

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Like when she says, oh, guess what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in Washington and then she tells me and I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>my God.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the trick is to have really good coffee.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm saying, because then whenever you're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>something you know, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>You taste the coffee, you're like, oh my god, that's delicious,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you can hear things. And I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not lessening.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course I'm listening, but but I'm I'm also really

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying the coffee. And I think that I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is for me. So a healthy married

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<v Speaker 1>life coffee. Now, there are considerations here. Obviously there may

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<v Speaker 1>be cultural or religious implications for you that require you

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<v Speaker 1>not to drink coffee. Perhaps coffee isn't isn't you know,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't something you enjoy or doing it. But find a

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<v Speaker 1>coffee substitute, perhaps water, perhaps, I don't know, scotch, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy drinking in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I used to enjoy drinking.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to people say I'm not an alcoholic, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I didn't realize I was an alcoholic until

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<v Speaker 1>I drank in the morning. And I certainly when I

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<v Speaker 1>was drinking, which is a long time ago, I did

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<v Speaker 1>drink in the morning. And what people don't tell you

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<v Speaker 1>about drinking in the morning. I'm not advocating this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this, if you're an alcoholic drinking in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning, it's the best bit. That's the best bit,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the only bit that's good. At the end of it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like, oh, thank God if you can hold

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<v Speaker 1>it down, which is tricky a lot of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from so the Kyo Good Marriage coffee or

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<v Speaker 1>coffee equivalent. This is from Christine krys Up. How many

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<v Speaker 1>tattoos do you have now? And what are the stories

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<v Speaker 1>behind some of your favorites. It's an interesting thing about tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>I think tattoos are a bit like sex or murder.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that, you know, the first one is the

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<v Speaker 1>most difficult, then after that they get kind of easier.

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<v Speaker 1>And the truth is, the way I feel about tattoos

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<v Speaker 1>now is not the same as I felt when I

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<v Speaker 1>got my first tattoo, and I think most people with

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<v Speaker 1>do who have tattoos now kind of feel this way.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the ones I talk to you get one,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very significant. Oh this is a tribal marking for

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite you know saying, or this is my mom's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sisters blouse that was very important to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You get tattooed in your body, and that's very important,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next one's you know, important, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>slightly less important. What happens that I got my first

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo after my father died. My father hated tattoos, and

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<v Speaker 1>after he died, I thought, oh gosh, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>best way to commemorate a man who hated tattoos Celtic paradox,

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<v Speaker 1>get a tattoo.

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<v Speaker 2>So I got a tattoo for my.

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<v Speaker 1>Father, and I only got one, and then I forgot

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<v Speaker 1>about it for a couple of years. Then but three

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<v Speaker 1>years later, sadly, my mother died, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>was sad, of course, obviously. And then about a year

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<v Speaker 1>after my mother died, I heard this kind of voice

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<v Speaker 1>in my head. It was like, oh, you get a

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo for your father, but oh, nothing for your mother.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know, all right, So I got my mother's

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<v Speaker 1>family crest tager, my father's family crest tattooed, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I got my mother's family crest tattooed. Interestingly, father's tattoo,

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<v Speaker 1>the family crest of the Fergusons went on and about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, hour and a half two hours, hardly any

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<v Speaker 1>pain at all, mother's family crest two days, agonizing. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that's significant or not, or maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>says something about me. So I got those tattoos. But

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<v Speaker 1>then I was talking to the guy who was doing

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<v Speaker 1>the tattoo at the time and he said, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's bad luck to have an even number of tattoos.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, is it?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm very I'm a control freak, so you tell

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<v Speaker 1>me anything that I could possibly throw a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>ocd onto and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like bad luck, and I'm like, oh, I kind have

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<v Speaker 2>bad luck.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had to have a third tattoo, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had recently become an American citizen, so I got, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the join or Die Benjamin Franklin, I know, a tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>put there, and.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the third tattoo. But after that you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of just get tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, I don't really know how many I

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<v Speaker 1>have now because there's like does that count as one

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<v Speaker 1>or you know what about this is definitely one. But

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<v Speaker 1>then these little bits were added later and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a bit around there and that guy and it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just something that you do or something that you have.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's not that it becomes less important, it just

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<v Speaker 1>becomes less dramatic, maybe like a marriage, you know, or

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<v Speaker 1>a relationship with mankind, you know, a friendship. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that over time it becomes less dramatic and a little

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<v Speaker 1>more comfortable, and it leaves a mark, and sometimes it stings,

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<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you wish I should probably get rid of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what. I would never get rid of a tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you why, because I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>part of your history. You know, it's part of the

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<v Speaker 1>whatever marks you picked up along the way. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I have a scar on my hand if you

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<v Speaker 1>can see that there, there's a little a scar across

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<v Speaker 1>the back of my hand there that I got when

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<v Speaker 1>I was drunk. When I was about nineteen or twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old. I punched a window and some great idea

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I had about punching a window, and I punched the

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<v Speaker 1>window and I, you know, I got a scar in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of my hand. It was very painful at

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and there's a lot of blood and very dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, I'm sixty two years old now and

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<v Speaker 1>I got scarre in my hand. I barely, but every

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<v Speaker 1>now and again I see it and I go, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not blame me with an asshole or I just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I have affection for you know, whatever that young man

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<v Speaker 1>was going through at the time, and it has a

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<v Speaker 1>certain sweetness to it for me, even although I'd rather

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<v Speaker 1>know have done it, but I did it. And tattoos

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<v Speaker 1>are a bit like that. I sometimes think grief is

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<v Speaker 1>a bit like that. I was talking to someone last

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<v Speaker 1>night at a show I do. After my stand up

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<v Speaker 1>shows now, I do a lot of meet and greets,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was talking to a woman after the show

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<v Speaker 1>and she was talking about she'd been bereaved recently and

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<v Speaker 1>she felt bad and she'd come to the show to

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<v Speaker 1>have a laugh and I had a laugh and that

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<v Speaker 1>was great, and I was talking to her a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about grief, and I think grief is a little like

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<v Speaker 1>a scar, you know it really, I mean, my god,

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>it's so pain and it never it never goes away,

0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 1>but it becomes something that's part of you. And in

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<v Speaker 1>remembering someone, like a scar, it kind of becomes like

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<v Speaker 1>there's a sweetness to a memory if you've loved someone

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<v Speaker 1>and most of them that that's what I thought. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why I got into that. It's from tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess because I got my first tattoo through grief.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that was what my father had died. I

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<v Speaker 2>was bereft. I love that man.

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<v Speaker 1>I loved my mother too, and and so the scar

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<v Speaker 1>that I inflicted upon myself was a physical manifestation of

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<v Speaker 1>the scar that I had in my soul from the grief.

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<v Speaker 1>So the scar itself is the tattoo, and every tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>is a scar, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess in a way. One other things, I will say

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<v Speaker 2>one that kind of makes me laugh, or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>an indication.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's a story right there. I don't if you

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<v Speaker 1>can see, I have the planet Saturn. That's where I

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<v Speaker 1>wear my watch. Planet Saturn. That Saturn, of course, in

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<v Speaker 1>the is the bringer of old age. Right he also

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<v Speaker 1>ate his children, But you know, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>he really did that. I think that's metaphorical, but also

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<v Speaker 1>it's also metaphoric books planet, you know, but Saturn in mythology,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is that Saturn is.

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<v Speaker 2>The bringer of old age.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought, well, I'll get that where where my

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<v Speaker 1>watch is. So if I forget to wear my watch

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<v Speaker 1>and I look to see what time it is. I'll go, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what time is. All right, let's see what else

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<v Speaker 1>we got.

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<v Speaker 2>We got.

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<v Speaker 1>From Robbie Winstead on Instagram. Robbie says, the last book

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<v Speaker 1>you read? What was the last book you read? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm quite owed about the way I read because recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is one of the things I have to

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<v Speaker 1>say that I'm so grateful for about these things.

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<v Speaker 2>The phones is, I've become very into audiobooks. So I

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<v Speaker 2>will read a book.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point and it might not necessarily be the

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<v Speaker 1>book i'm listening to it. It's almost like I consume more.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it sounds kind of greedy, and I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>in the way it is. But the audiobook thing is

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<v Speaker 1>into me because I started getting into the Greek philosophers,

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<v Speaker 1>Greek and Roman Stoics for the most part, but also

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<v Speaker 1>Epicureans and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, go back from you know.

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<v Speaker 1>From Seneca, back to Epictetus, from Epictetus to Zinos, from

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<v Speaker 1>Zeno to Socrates. And I've become fascinated by the audiobook

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<v Speaker 1>thing and what I was interested in. And I'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to the last book I read in a minute, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's none of this, but it made me think of

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<v Speaker 1>it is that the audiobook thing getting into the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of Socrates in particular, a lot of these guys, Epictetus

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<v Speaker 1>as well, they didn't write down what they were talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>They you know, their their their pupils did their Decipe did,

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<v Speaker 1>but they didn't. So the work of Socrates is all

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<v Speaker 1>filtered through the writing of Plato, the work of Epictetus.

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 2>Who was a stoic of some renown.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm not an expert in any of this, but

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>all of his stuff was written down by one of.

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<v Speaker 2>His pupils because they didn't trust.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what it was is they didn't quite trust

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<v Speaker 1>the medium to get across the message that they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to get across, and they wanted to see they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be in the room at the time, and.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel a great kinship to that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an interesting thing about what we're doing right

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<v Speaker 1>this very second, which I'm not writing any of this down.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't prepared anything for it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sitting in a fucking hotel room in Orange County

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<v Speaker 1>because I'm doing a stand up show tonight. But there

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<v Speaker 1>is a directness about what we're doing now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys will respond to it. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of interested in what's happening. Not that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>comparing myself to the great Stoic minds or of Epictatus.

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Or like that. But Seneca did write stuff done.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I do, I do quite like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of just talking. And maybe that's an egotism, maybe, and

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>maybe i'm, you know, second guessing myself. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I guess the bottom line is nobody. Nobody makes

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<v Speaker 1>you listen. I mean, it's one of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I I'm doing myself now that I don't listen to

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>the as much as I can avoid it. The cacophony

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<v Speaker 1>of the media, of all stripes, it doesn't matter if

0:29:35.840 --> 0:29:37.520
<v Speaker 1>it's left or right or red, a blue, or in.

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Everybody's fucking yelling all the time, and I feel like

0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I can't hear anything when everybody's yelling.

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<v Speaker 2>And so.

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<v Speaker 1>I've become interested in audio recordings of the writing of

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<v Speaker 1>the great Stoics there Now. The last book I read

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<v Speaker 1>was a book by Robert Harris, who was a great,

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<v Speaker 1>a great writer. It's kind of in the same the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that he wrote a trilogy of books which

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<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend, a really very entertaining and very knowledgeable

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<v Speaker 1>about the life of the great Roman statesman and let's

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<v Speaker 1>be honest, a stoic Cicero. And he wrote it from

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<v Speaker 1>the point of view of Cicero's slave Tiro.

0:30:24.040 --> 0:30:24.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that was his name.

0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:28.440
<v Speaker 1>And Tiro actually apparently did write a book, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was lost in antiquity, was lost in history. So Robert

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Harris wrote three books about that, assuming the role of

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<v Speaker 1>Tiro in the writing, which is just fabulous writer. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're called Imperium, Conspirata, and Dictator. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's the name of the three books. But you could

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<v Speaker 1>look up Robert Harris the Cicero Trilogy, and they are

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<v Speaker 1>said at the time when Rome was transferring from a

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<v Speaker 1>republic to an empire. Now, I wonder if you can

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<v Speaker 1>see we're I'm going with this that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>great shift in the politics of Earth at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cicero was was very much complicit in that.

0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>He had a point of view in it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't ultimately victorious and how he wanted it to go,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was part of the movement of history at

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<v Speaker 1>that time, and it was witnessed expertly through Robert Harris's

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<v Speaker 1>character of the slaved hero at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fascinating parallels into how the world is now

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<v Speaker 1>because here's for I believe, you know, when everybody says,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was during the election and all that, everybody said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's never been as bad as this, like it kind

0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>of it kind of always has.

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:53.280
<v Speaker 2>It always has been like this. This is how it is.

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.959
<v Speaker 1>But what it requires of you right now is to

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<v Speaker 1>try and sift through the noise.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm probably misquoting this terribly, but you know I didn't.

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if well, I'm sure I'll be checked

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>in the comments and stuff, but luckily someone else will

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 1>read them.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a quote. I think it's an indirect quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Beware the man that bangs the drum of war, Beware

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<v Speaker 2>the man that.

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<v Speaker 1>Says the enemy is at the gates, because I am

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<v Speaker 1>that man and I am Caesar.

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<v Speaker 2>Chilling, isn't it, You know? Keep the people scared of

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<v Speaker 2>everything all the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, and then you know, it doesn't matter what you

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.360
<v Speaker 1>what you're trying to steer them into.

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Keep them afraid.

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<v Speaker 1>And by having people afraid, having people frantic, they're easier

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<v Speaker 1>to hurt. But that being said, I also have another

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>theory that kind of is in opposition to that when

0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.800
<v Speaker 1>it comes to the idea of you know, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean is like when I talk to my wife,

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<v Speaker 1>she's always like she sees she's not earth the theorist,

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>but she sees, Oh, this is what they're trying to do,

0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:04.760
<v Speaker 1>or this is what these people are trying to do

0:33:04.880 --> 0:33:07.440
<v Speaker 1>or that, And I'm like, I don't see that way

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<v Speaker 1>so much because I don't think people are that competent.

0:33:11.240 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, Whenever I've met high up people in the

0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>level of corporate stuff or you know, governmental positions, and

0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I've met some very senior people in both of these worlds.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm always shocked by how fucking dumb all over them

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<v Speaker 2>most of them just fucking you know, not even dumb,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of like they don't have that.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't have the kind of wherewithal the conspiracy together.

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Hardly any of them can put a fucking golf game together.

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's not that golf is a sign

0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>of intelligence, it's absolutely not.

0:33:49.040 --> 0:33:50.960
<v Speaker 2>But uh, but it's a lovely game.

0:33:51.720 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I feel like a lot of the time the answer

0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:57.960
<v Speaker 1>is incompetence, not conspiracy.

0:33:58.440 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 2>That's why.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, of course I could be incompetent or more frighteningly,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'm part of a conspiracy, but I'm not.

0:34:06.920 --> 0:34:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't join anything.

0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things that really I learned about

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:13.520
<v Speaker 1>myself when I was doing Late Night.

0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Late Night is a let's be honest, a fraternity for

0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the most part.

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>Certainly was then of about maybe at that time it

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 1>was half a dozen guys, and I couldn't even be

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:26.799
<v Speaker 1>part of that.

0:34:27.040 --> 0:34:29.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a great joiner.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>That's why I've never really worked as a band member,

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 1>especially if you have the drummer in a band, which

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.840
<v Speaker 1>is what I was. I mean, you want the drummer

0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to be part of things, not working on his own.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.080
<v Speaker 1>If you do that, you end up with the police.

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.120
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm talking about?

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:46.200
<v Speaker 1>This thing that guy speeds up all the time, all

0:34:46.239 --> 0:34:46.640
<v Speaker 1>the time.

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I hear him.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, I got a lot have I've been talking. Well, okay,

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>so look here's the thing. I've got a bunch of

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.359
<v Speaker 1>emails here. I don't know how you guys feel about

0:34:57.400 --> 0:35:02.120
<v Speaker 1>this format. I'm kind of okay with it. I think

0:35:02.200 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>it's worth exploring a little more. I'll get more specific,

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'll stay on the keep sending the emails and

0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 1>the tweets and stuff. I'll and I'll do some more

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 1>of them if you want it to happen. If you don't,

0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.840
<v Speaker 1>it's cool. I mean, I'm I'm you know, I can, I'll.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Be all right. That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's well, I'll try and leave you with something pithy

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 1>and helpful. Here's what I think is, try and have

0:35:26.040 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 1>good coffee, consider the source of your information, talk to

0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>someone you trust and consider what that means. And also

0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>listen more than you talk, which is rich coming from

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 1>a guy who's just talked you know and staff for

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:40.879
<v Speaker 1>the last half hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess I really believe this, And.

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<v Speaker 3>This is for everybody lighting the fuck up. O.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't don't do