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Speaker 2: But enough with that, let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody,

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 2: What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot of news that is breaking

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Speaker 1: this morning, including chaos in the Middle East. You've got

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Speaker 1: hundreds killed and thousands more injured by Israel in Lebanon,

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Speaker 1: and the US sending additional troops to the regions. We're

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Speaker 1: going to start the show with that. We also don't

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Speaker 1: want to lose sight of what is going on in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: There are some important developments there, including Zelensky. Here in

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Speaker 1: the US with Josh Shapiro.

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Speaker 2: Basically campaign it's not great.

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Speaker 3: It's not great at all.

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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, turning to domestic politics here, Nebraska made an extremely

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Speaker 1: consequential decision with regard to the electoral College. It could

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Speaker 1: actually be the thing that the election hinges on. So

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Speaker 1: we'll break all of that down. We also are going

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Speaker 1: to take a look at Trump doing far fewer rallies

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Speaker 1: this time than in previous campaigns. What his campaign is

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Speaker 1: saying about that, and also appearing to do a lot

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Speaker 1: fewer fundraisers and certainly raising a lot less money than

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris is So what does it mean, if anything?

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Speaker 1: He's also got a very interesting new policy on capping

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris floating price controls quote unquote now silent when

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Speaker 1: it comes to anyway, There's a lot that's interesting, heroent

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Speaker 1: fell off a freaking cliff really after the US pulled out.

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Speaker 3: So we saw this chart come across both our radars

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Speaker 1: Were like, huh, question Mark, And I mean turns out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. Set's been on the show before. Seth

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Speaker 2: is awesome. We're excited to talk to them before we

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Speaker 2: get to that. Thank you to all of our premium subscribers.

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Speaker 2: A bunch of people took advantage yesterday. Like Crystal said,

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Speaker 2: we're going to start with some foreign policy today, but

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we've got a crazy situation going on Lebanon.

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Speaker 2: We're on the brink of a full blown regional war

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Speaker 2: which people assured us was not going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a catastrophic failure of the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration policy, which has explicitly stated from the beginning this

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Speaker 1: We have video of new bombings and strikes inside of

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Speaker 1: scores of children and women who were killed in this onslaught.

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Speaker 1: And if we could go ahead and pull up this

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Speaker 1: Already have about forty thousand American troops stationed in this

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Speaker 2: hopefully not nuclear. It's September twenty fourth, we're weeks away

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Speaker 2: to be like very clear, the US establishment is one

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Speaker 2: it does, that's what it would look like. We're in

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Speaker 2: There's no getting around it. We have forty thousand people there.

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Speaker 2: Our troops are going to be in trouble. The global economy.

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Speaker 2: It will be a nightmare considering what's been happening with

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Speaker 2: that times ten in Iran involvement. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 2: this is a real catastrophic situation. This is probably the

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Speaker 2: most dangerous the world has been since what happened in Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: And if you see already America is addicted to Middle

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Speaker 2: Eastern war. We cannot extricate ourselves in Israel is the

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Speaker 2: primary culprit that is involved here there. What is the

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Speaker 2: justification for this attack is that some Hezbola guys launched

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Speaker 2: the missiles. No, it's just continue this to further BB's

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Speaker 2: It's very two thousand and three. They are repeating the

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Speaker 2: it's overconfidence going into that war. So they've quote unquote

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Speaker 2: they have no idea what's coming for them, They really do.

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Speaker 2: And they're they're generals, they're commanders, they know because they're

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Speaker 2: They're like, they want this war. The key line is

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Speaker 2: now escalation through de escalation, which America is such a coward.

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Speaker 2: Were the only pushback that we have seen from the

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Speaker 2: through de escalation work. But it's a background quote attributed

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Speaker 3: That's right, I'm my god, you know.

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Speaker 2: And now you know what our people are going to

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Speaker 2: get killed again for all of this. If Israel and

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Speaker 2: there's no way in the current US political establishment that

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Speaker 2: that's a possibility. We will bear the product, we will

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Speaker 1: It's I was reading all the like New York Times

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Speaker 1: time the fact that the core reason why Heswela has

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Speaker 3: And then if you had a ceasefire.

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Speaker 1: In fact, when you did have a temporary ceasefire, those

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Speaker 1: rocket launches stopped. The Biden administration has now given up

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Speaker 3: They've just given up.

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Speaker 1: Rather than doing the very obvious thing of saying, Okay,

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Speaker 3: You're not going to do it with our weapons. That simple.

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Speaker 1: And there was recent polling that came out that is

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Speaker 1: a popular position, so on the American strategic interest, the

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Speaker 3: On the moral imperative.

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Speaker 1: The choice is exceptionally clear, and even on the political imperative,

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Speaker 1: the choice is clear. No secret that Bibe would rather

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Speaker 1: have Trump in the White House, no accident that this comes,

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Speaker 1: you know, heading into October, nice little Bibi Netana, the

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Speaker 1: most predictable October surprise of all time.

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Speaker 3: And yet the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these are either the dumbest people on the

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Speaker 1: how many times have we seen the background quotes, Oh,

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Speaker 3: You mentioned two thousand and six.

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Speaker 1: This is already the deadliest day in Lebanon since two

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Speaker 1: thousand and six. And I know it gets tiresome to

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Speaker 1: imagine if Hesbela had successfully pulled off these level of

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Speaker 1: attacks in Israel and killed a majority civilians, including scores

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Speaker 1: as we know. Lebanon says that four hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: But the truth of the matter is very hard to

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Speaker 1: say where it's actually safe. And I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: in a moment, very eerie echoes from bb NEAT and

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Speaker 1: the genocidal onslaught into Gaza, sounding very similar notes. And

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Speaker 1: so this, as we come up on the one year

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Speaker 1: and Isaiah said, just the manifest failures of the Biden

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Speaker 1: administration here could not possibly be more clear. You'll recall

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Speaker 1: last week we covered that Israel had launched what I

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Speaker 1: think is accurately and Leon Panetta, former CIA director, agrees

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Speaker 1: with me, described as a terrorist attack where they managed

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Speaker 1: to blow up the pagers of HESBLA operatives and walkie talkies.

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Speaker 1: They did so indiscriminately. You know, you had children killed

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Speaker 4: This has gone right into the supply chain, right into

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Speaker 1: So he said Zager, I don't think there's any question

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Speaker 2: And then what are they going to do. They're like, well,

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Speaker 3: The contents of the leak.

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Speaker 6: I have a message for the people of Lebanon. Israel's

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Speaker 1: Lebanon so very predictably using the same language about human

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Speaker 3: And that's how you.

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Speaker 2: this is already looking way worse for them. Also, Lebanon

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Speaker 2: But with Lebanon, that's not the same thing. I mean,

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Speaker 2: It's like a religious shibboleth that you must say before

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Speaker 1: And if the Biden administration has any problems with any

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Speaker 1: of this, it's sure as hell doesn't seem like it

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Speaker 1: from the way that they've approached the situation. Let's move

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Speaker 1: on to the next part showing Yeah, so as part

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Speaker 1: of you know, one of the only democracy in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, one of their latest actions was to raid

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Speaker 1: the Al Jazeera headquarters in the West Bank and sees

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Speaker 1: cameras equipment, shut it down, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: They sent an IDF soldiers to do this.

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Speaker 1: Our own Ryan Graham has actually been in Doha at

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Speaker 1: a conference there.

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Speaker 3: I think he's back now. He's just arriving. Said the

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Speaker 3: jet lag was pretty terrible.

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Speaker 1: But while he was there, he appeared on Al Jazeera

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Speaker 1: to talk about this situation.

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Speaker 3: Let's take less and what.

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Speaker 8: He joining us on set is Ryan Grum, co founder

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Speaker 8: of drop Side News and the host of the show Counterpoints.

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Speaker 8: Thanks very much for joining us, Ryan. This attempt to

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Speaker 8: silence the media, is it a disparate attempt by a

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Speaker 8: government that's increasingly under pressure.

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Speaker 9: I don't know how desperate an attempt it is, or

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Speaker 9: if it's a pressage for you know, a ramping up

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Speaker 9: of the assault on the West Bank that we're seeing.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure I would characterize it necessarily as desperation.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 9: It is certainly a lashing out and a flailing but

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Speaker 9: you know, this is of a pattern that we have

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Speaker 9: seen consistently, as you just laid out, and you say

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Speaker 9: that it.

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Speaker 8: Would potentially be a ramping up of military operations in

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Speaker 8: the West Bank. So it's logical to conclude Israel wouldn't

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Speaker 8: then want an international audience to see exactly what he

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Speaker 8: is had happening there.

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Speaker 9: Well, they very conspicuously prevented international journalists from entering Gaza

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Speaker 9: after October seventh, and also, as you mentioned, have killed

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Speaker 9: more than one hundred journalists on the ground there. So

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Speaker 9: the number of working journalists in Gaza now is dwindling

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Speaker 9: into the dozens, and so it does raise It would

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Speaker 9: raise alarms for me if I lived anywhere near there

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Speaker 9: that step one would be the silencing of the media

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Speaker 9: before step two are ramping up of the assault.

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Speaker 8: Israel is under an increasing amount of pressure, especially internationally.

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Speaker 8: We've seen the TI turn in terms of what is acceptable.

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Speaker 8: We've seen accusations, heard, accusations of violating international law. Meanwhile

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Speaker 8: Israel calls itself the only democracy in the Middle East.

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Speaker 8: Actions like this against a free press, is it not

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Speaker 8: then counterproductive? It doesn't help their case at all, does it?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 9: But I don't think that they have much credibility on

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Speaker 9: the international stage left to lose. I think that going

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Speaker 9: into their calculations here, they are already saying that we

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Speaker 9: have lost this mantle of the most moral army, the

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Speaker 9: only democracy in the Middle East. Those have become punchlines

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Speaker 9: internationally rather than rather than talking points that anybody takes

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Speaker 9: seriously anymore. And so this feels like a gloves off

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Speaker 9: situation because sending in armed troops to you know, drag

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Speaker 9: journalists out of their headquarters is you know, creates the

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Speaker 9: kind of images that would make any country calling itself

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Speaker 9: a democracy ashamed. The fact that not only were they

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Speaker 9: willing to do this, but it appears did so partly

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Speaker 9: for the production of those images suggests that they are

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Speaker 9: beyond that the realm of worrying about the pr of

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Speaker 9: how it looks.

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Speaker 1: I think that last point from Ryan is such an

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Speaker 1: important one that they're not even trying anymore. And of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, for liberal Zionists inside of Israel, and many

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Speaker 1: liberal Zionists who defend all Israeli actions, here comes very

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Speaker 1: difficult because that key talking all the only democracy in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East becomes very difficult to say with the

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Speaker 1: straight face when they're taking such actions that are brazen

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Speaker 1: against a free press. And he's also a right to

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Speaker 1: point out, you know, it was very intentional that post

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Speaker 1: October seventh The only Western journalists who were allowed in

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Speaker 1: were like, you know, if they went on a hand

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Speaker 1: selected IDF ride along a friendly outlet like CNN, Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll take you along, We'll show you what we want

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Speaker 1: to show you. And even within those narrow confines that

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Speaker 1: still sometimes led to the exposing of, you know, horrific

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Speaker 1: war crimes. Jeremy Diamond was able to expose some horrific

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Speaker 1: war crimes, assaults on cemeteries and gaza and things of

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Speaker 1: the sort, and some debunking of IDF lies and propaganda

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Speaker 1: as well, even within those narrow confines. So the assault

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Speaker 1: on journalism has been long standing, but as Ryan says,

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Speaker 1: there is now just completely gloves off, as they don't

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Speaker 1: even try to maintain a fig leaf of credibility because

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Speaker 1: internationally it's already preposterous, it's already a joke. Let me

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Speaker 1: just put up Al Jazeerra's reporting on what exactly happened here,

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Speaker 1: so I can give you some more of the details

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Speaker 1: they write. Israeli soldiers have rated AlJazeera's bureau and Romala

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Speaker 1: in the occupied West Bank, ordered the Doha based news

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Speaker 1: network to shut down operations amid a widening Israeli cracked

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Speaker 1: down on media freedom. Heavily armed and mass is Raeli

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Speaker 1: soldiers forcefully entered the building housing Al Jazeera's bureau handed

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Speaker 1: the forty five day closure order to the network's West

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Speaker 1: Bank bureau chief. That bureau chief said that Israeli military's

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Speaker 1: closure order accused the network of incitement to and support

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Speaker 1: of terrorism. Al Jazeera also said that Israeli forces used

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Speaker 1: tear gas in the vicinity of the bureau and in

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Speaker 1: that area in the heart of the occupied West Bank city.

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Speaker 1: She added, Israeli soldiers confiscated their cameras, and she feared

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Speaker 1: the military might try to destroy Al Jazeera's archives, which

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Speaker 1: are also stored in the office.

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Speaker 3: You saw some of the footwat. We can put this

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Speaker 3: back up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: When Ryan was talking of the assault on Al Jazeera's headquarters.

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Speaker 1: I think we have some vo that we can play

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Speaker 1: here as well, of these masked IDF soldiers coming in

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Speaker 1: holding weapons and what appeared actually to be cameras and

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Speaker 1: raiding this office with very little notice. So yeah, so

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Speaker 1: that's the reality in this great democratic ally.

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Speaker 3: Of our Middle East.

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Speaker 2: Good to see Ryan in a different setting. It's definitely fun.

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Speaker 1: Good to see him in Field zero ruving counterpoints internationally.

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Speaker 2: I love that Baldazier actually for saying counterpoints. How hosts

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Speaker 2: of that show, the details of it are honestly crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the more I read about it, I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Like what's the justification? It says the initial order is

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Speaker 2: closed for forty five days, it was renewed. Al Jazeer

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Speaker 2: journalists are not allowed to report from inside the country

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Speaker 2: after the raid. The bureau chief says, what are they

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Speaker 2: doing to our office? The government media in a government

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Speaker 2: media office in Gaza of still you know, has maintained

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Speaker 2: its own problems. The Secretary General of the Palestinian Initiatives

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Speaker 2: that Israel quote had no right legally speaking to even

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Speaker 2: close any office in Ramala, which just kind of highlights

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Speaker 2: the entire insanity of the legal regime and how this

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Speaker 2: entire thing works. So the whole thing is nuts. And

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Speaker 2: it's one of those where I could just say, in

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Speaker 2: the region, you know, at this moment, this is all

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Speaker 2: being taken notice of. And yes, nothing exploded luckily post

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Speaker 2: October seventh. Yet you know, in other places Jordan, Iran, Qatar,

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Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, But all of these places they have their

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Speaker 2: own populations, their own populations who Al Jazeer's their number

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Speaker 2: one news source, and they see things like this and

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Speaker 2: the level of anger gets ramped up. A conflagration in

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Speaker 2: Lebanon would be just what they need for there to

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Speaker 2: be some sort of global, you know, conflagration in the

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Speaker 2: entire region. And that's probably what I worry about the most.

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Speaker 1: Al Jazeera is the only large network that has been

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Speaker 1: able to maintain coverage in Gaza at all, and in

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Speaker 1: West Bank. I mean a lot of the more professional

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Speaker 1: images and understanding of this conflict that we've been able

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Speaker 1: to attend to obtain our courtesy of their genuinely brave journalists.

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Speaker 1: And remember that quite a number of journalists, I think

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Speaker 1: one hundred journalists have been killed by Israel since October seventh,

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Speaker 1: and some of those have been al just you're a journalist,

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Speaker 1: so you know. Now they're just they don't want any

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Speaker 1: sunlight whatsoever. They don't want people to know, they don't

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Speaker 1: want those images coming out, and so they're making the

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Speaker 1: show of force and shutting Al Jazera down entirely.

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Speaker 3: And it's a loss for all.

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Speaker 1: Of us that we won't have access to the same

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Speaker 1: level of reporting that we did previously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all I want is the ability to see all size.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's totally fine. Is really want to put

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Speaker 2: your stuff out, Okay, cool, but just let people in.

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Speaker 2: That's it. You know, let a lot of people into

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Speaker 2: report and I think it's telling.

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Speaker 3: You're fighting such a moral war you should want to

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Speaker 3: show us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you shouldn't have it. I mean hate America,

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Speaker 2: but they were literally journalists on the front lines of

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Speaker 2: the of Iraq, in the front convoy. You know, some

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Speaker 2: of the best one of my favorite books, Generation Kill,

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Speaker 2: was literally from a guy there. It's like, with this

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Speaker 2: level of press access, it's like zero, it's absolutely ridiculous. Yep,

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Speaker 2: let's move on to Ukraine. This is just I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is this is an insane situation. It's that President

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Speaker 2: Zelenski is here in the United States, not just in

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Speaker 2: the United States, in a battleground state, flown there on

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Speaker 2: a US Air Force jet so that him and the

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Speaker 2: Governor of Pennsylvania can have a grotesque signing of bombs

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Speaker 2: that are being manufactured to be shipped into war. Let's

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Speaker 2: go ahead and put this up there on the screen.

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Speaker 2: Governor Shapiro met President Zelenski on the tarmac. They appeared together.

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Speaker 2: That's Bob Casey, by the way, right there, the Senator

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Speaker 2: also from Pennsylvania, shaking Zelenski's hands, and they're like gleefully

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Speaker 2: in this factory signing bombs that are being manufactured in Scranton, Pennsylvania, manufactured,

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Speaker 2: by the way, with our tax dollars, and then being

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Speaker 2: shipped abroad to fund the war in Ukraine. And he says,

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Speaker 2: you know, we must all do our part for the

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Speaker 2: fight for freedom, the workers in Scranton, the arsenal of democracy.

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Speaker 2: This is all just World War two nostalgia bs and

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Speaker 2: the details of it show anything. But I mean, for example,

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Speaker 2: let's put this up there, my friend Dan Caldwell flag

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Speaker 2: this you could see right here. Zelensky was flown to

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Speaker 2: Pennsylvania on a US Air Force C seventeen. The quote

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Speaker 2: the Biden Harris administration is using military assets to fly

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Speaker 2: a foreign leader into a battleground state to undermine their

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Speaker 2: political opponents. And if you think he's exaggerating, at the

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Speaker 2: very same time that this was all happening, he literally

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Speaker 2: gave an interview to The New Yorker where he was

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Speaker 2: denouncing any of the Trump vance or I guess vance

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Speaker 2: in particular, statements saying that the war in Ukraine needs

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Speaker 2: to come to an end. And of course, as always

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Speaker 2: with Zelensky's visits to America to beg for weapons, there's

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Speaker 2: a split screen as to how the rest of the

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Speaker 2: world is allowed to have like a very rational conversation

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Speaker 2: in America, just like with Israel. If you're like bow

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Speaker 2: down before Ukraine, be like, no, please take all the

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Speaker 2: money and weapons who could possibly give you. Put this

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Speaker 2: on the screen, for example. You can't accuse this guy

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Speaker 2: of being a Russian shill. Ukraine quote needs to be

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Speaker 2: realistic about its goals. This is from the President of

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Speaker 2: the Czech Republic, present President Petra pavel A quote. Former

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Speaker 2: NATO general who has been vocal in his support for Ukraine,

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Speaker 2: said Kiev needed to accept that some territory could remain

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Speaker 2: under Russian control quote, at least temporarily. He said that

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Speaker 2: Ukraine needs to be realistic. The most probable outcome of

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Speaker 2: the war, he says, will be that the part of

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Speaker 2: Ukrainian territory will be under Russian occupation temporarily. But add

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Speaker 2: to that temporary thing could last four years. And I

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Speaker 2: mean it just it's almost noteworthy to me. Crystil that

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Speaker 2: the most obvious thing in the world to any casual

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Speaker 2: observer is anathema in diplomatic and US foreign policy circles.

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Speaker 2: If you utter that very basic sentiment, you're accused of

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Speaker 2: being a Russian sympathizer. You know, no one is saying

653
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Speaker 2: that this is a good outcome. It is just the

654
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Speaker 2: realistic outcome without further escalating the war. And of course

655
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Speaker 2: Zelenski's chief aim from everything I've seen so far, is

656
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Speaker 2: to prosecute a case in the media and on the

657
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Speaker 2: Biden administration at the United Nations to force the United

658
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Speaker 2: States to allow him to use long range missiles and

659
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Speaker 2: strike inside of Russia. That's what this is all about.

660
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Speaker 2: This whole little campaign stop and everything is about further

661
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Speaker 2: escalating the war. And you know, we just talked about Lebanon.

662
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Speaker 2: How many wars were supposed to be funding here. You know,

663
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Speaker 2: at what point does it end? What does America have

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Speaker 2: at stake allowing long range missiles to be fired inside

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Speaker 2: of Russia where their president, Vladimir Putin take him, at

666
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Speaker 2: least somewhat seriously, says that would be an official declaration

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Speaker 2: of war by NATO. Okay, I mean, the guy has

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Speaker 2: nuclear weapons. You have to take it seriously. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to like the guy. You have to take it.

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Speaker 1: So can we put b one back up on this?

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Speaker 1: I want to dwell on this for a moment. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I have a question for you, Sager, which

673
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Speaker 1: is is this thing of signing missiles?

674
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Speaker 3: Is this like a long standing thing?

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Speaker 1: Because there were there were so many politicians who did

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Speaker 1: this in Israel, which is to jury Seinfeld did this

677
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Speaker 1: in Israel and bombs that were going to like murder,

678
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Speaker 1: you know, Palasidian children. It is a grotesque practice to

679
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Speaker 1: be like delightedly signing weapons of war that are going

680
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Speaker 1: to be used to kill human beings. And I think

681
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Speaker 1: that this should not be normal. I don't think it

682
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Speaker 1: should be normalized to the extend it already is that

683
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Speaker 1: is deeply disturbing. The other thing, and you mentioned the

684
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Speaker 1: language about the quote arsenal of democracy. This is language

685
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Speaker 1: that Biden himself unveiled a number of months back, and

686
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Speaker 1: then he sent out a bunch of and miserable to

687
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Speaker 1: the extent that he does anything or directs anything from

688
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: his White House at this point, sent out some of

689
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Speaker 1: his administration officials to circulate a talking point in Congress

690
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Speaker 1: that providing military aid is quote unquote good for American jobs.

691
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Speaker 1: And this is a part of the story of why

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Speaker 1: we have these, you know, continually expanding military budgets, endlessly

693
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Speaker 1: expanding military budgets. It's part of the story of why

694
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Speaker 1: we end up getting ourselves entangled in one, two, three

695
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Speaker 1: wars at a time and never are never able to

696
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Speaker 1: extricate ourselves from them.

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Speaker 3: Is because, first of all, you have a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of you know, people like Josh Shapiro on both

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Speaker 1: sides of the aisle, who are like, do see it

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Speaker 1: as a jobs program and do see it is like

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Speaker 1: good for them politically to have these weapons makers in

702
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Speaker 1: their state and production ramping up to be able to,

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Speaker 1: you know, send bombs to the frontline in Ukraine, send

704
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Speaker 1: bombs to our great democratic allies in Israel, and obviously

705
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: said tongue in cheek and so. And obviously the people

706
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Speaker 1: that own those factories and the large weapons makers, like

707
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: they're the ones who really benefit from this. So the

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Speaker 1: fact that this had become such an important component of

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Speaker 1: the American economy, and that it has become such an

710
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Speaker 1: important part of the personal financial bottom lines of so

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Speaker 1: many people who are within a thirty mile radius of

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Speaker 1: where we sit right now. That is an understated part

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Speaker 1: of why we find ourselves in these situations over and

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Speaker 1: over and over again, in spite of the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you ask the American people, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially with regard to to Israel and Palisa and getting

717
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Speaker 1: dragged into a broader Middle East war, the views are

718
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Speaker 1: more divided with regard to Ukraine as roughly I think

719
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty split in terms of the approach there.

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Speaker 1: But if you ask about hey, you want to go

721
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Speaker 1: fight a war with Israel against Iran, I guarantee you

722
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Speaker 1: you all majorities across the board that say AB's African

723
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Speaker 1: lutely not. And yet here we are getting pulled back

724
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Speaker 1: into the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: We just addressed that too. About the Ukraine, I mean,

726
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Speaker 2: this idea that it inject sells cash flow into the

727
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Speaker 2: US is bullshit. The top few US defense contractors are

728
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: raking in record profits and are redistributing those profits not

729
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 2: to workers through share buybacks, to their investors. It's not

730
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Speaker 2: just the US. Ukraine has been the greatest gift in

731
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Speaker 2: the history in modern history since Iraq, to the modern

732
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Speaker 2: defense industry. They're printing money. And here's the thing. They're

733
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Speaker 2: not even that good at what they do, that arms

734
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Speaker 2: factory and all that. We're spending more to manufacture arms

735
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Speaker 2: than we did in the nineteen nineties for something per

736
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Speaker 2: capita basis, which is way more expensive. They're not even

737
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Speaker 2: good at their jobs. That's the ironic part of all

738
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Speaker 2: of this. It's not particularly that great for the US economy.

739
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Speaker 2: It's only good for a bunch of defense contract shareholders

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Speaker 2: and investors. Now, let's continue on this whole like, what

741
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Speaker 2: are we doing here exactly? Shall we? Let's see, let's

742
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Speaker 2: put this on the screen financial times. Russia overwhelms Ukrainian

743
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Speaker 2: forces on the Eastern front. Quote, Moscow is taking advantage

744
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Speaker 2: of Kiev's redeployment into the cursed region. Remember when Ukraine

745
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: and Russia and everyone's like, wow, what a genius move. Well,

746
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: their own commanders are now saying quote commanders and soldiers

747
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Speaker 2: see this as the cost of the Kursk defensive and

748
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: a poor trade off. Kurs was a good idea. It

749
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: exposed Russia as being weaker than many people believed. But

750
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Speaker 2: we are paying the price of it with more of

751
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Speaker 2: our own land. And in fact, they talk about how

752
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Speaker 2: Russian forces have captured several towns in the Donetsk region.

753
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Speaker 2: It says Ukraine quote had hoped its audacious operation would

754
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Speaker 2: force the Kremlin to redeploy resources from Dunats, but that

755
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Speaker 2: has not happened, and instead they have had several towns

756
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Speaker 2: now fall to Russian forces. Russia is now facing calls

757
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Speaker 2: inwardly actually to increased the amount of soldiers and for

758
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Speaker 2: conscription purposes. They have no signs their economy is a

759
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: full on war economy now at this point, I mean,

760
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Speaker 2: they had no current signs of turning back. Every single

761
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Speaker 2: thing that the Ukrainians have done to try and escalate

762
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Speaker 2: has been good for headlines, but the actual ground situation

763
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Speaker 2: has changed nothing, not gained any more territory, especially of

764
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Speaker 2: their own territory they allegedly, you know, is so sacred

765
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Speaker 2: and that we're supposed to like, you know, bend over

766
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Speaker 2: backwards to keep for them. At every level. It's not working.

767
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Speaker 2: Even their long range missile strikes and all that. It's like, well, okay,

768
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Speaker 2: they can't even make a case. How many square miles

769
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Speaker 2: of territory are you going to get back if that

770
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Speaker 2: were allowed to happen? And is that worth the risk?

771
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Speaker 3: No?

772
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Speaker 2: Because when you start talking this way, they can't do it.

773
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Speaker 2: The whole argument falls apart, and instead Zelenski is in

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Speaker 2: the page of The New Yorker going after our presidential

775
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Speaker 2: candidates on US soil interesting and also basically saying that

776
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Speaker 2: it's a ridiculous proposition that they could give up a

777
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Speaker 2: single ounce of territory. This is when you know, a

778
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Speaker 2: sizeable portion of his own population wants to just end

779
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Speaker 2: the war. The ones who are left, not the ones

780
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Speaker 2: who are you know, filthy, rich and fled who are

781
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Speaker 2: all over Central Europe. But that's a whole other situation.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I largely don't blame Zelenski, but in

783
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Speaker 1: one way I think he is very culpable for the

784
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Speaker 1: current situation, which is that he has painted a you know,

785
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Speaker 1: I would say overly Rosie is like sort of too kind.

786
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: He's just lied about how the war alonggoing with his

787
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Speaker 1: own population. And so even in spite of that overwhelming

788
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Speaker 1: propaganda campaign not unusual in war time, but in spite

789
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: of that propaganda campaign, you have increasing numbers who are saying, listen, guys,

790
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Speaker 1: we're gonna have to give.

791
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 3: Up some of our territory.

792
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Speaker 1: And if you can imagine if you had a leader

793
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Speaker 1: who was more honest about the trade offs and what

794
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 1: a realistic pathward looked like. Then you might have an

795
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: even greater consensus within Ukrainian society in favor of all right,

796
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: we got it. At some point, we have to get

797
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: to the negotiating tai and we have to make some

798
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Speaker 1: sort of a deal. My point for a long time

799
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: has just been this, like, tell me what the endgame is,

800
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: tell me what your plan is, Tell me how this ends,

801
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Tell me how it ends well for Ukraine, Tell me

802
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Speaker 1: how it ends well for us? Like how much what's

803
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: the is there a dollar figure on is it a

804
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: timeline on it? Is there a plan? Is there a strategy?

805
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: And effectively, since that was it the spring offensive that

806
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, was hyped up and ultimately you know, didn't

807
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: result in the massive gains that were predicted or hoped for,

808
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: expected or whatever, that was the last time that there

809
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: was any sort of US strategy with regard to this

810
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: conflict that was at all comprehensible to me. And at

811
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: this point they're just on autopilot. They just want to

812
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Speaker 1: like keep the sort of rhetoric that like, you know,

813
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: human rights rhetoric, which is obviously incredibly hypocritical when you

814
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Speaker 1: see what we're funding in Israel and Palestine. They just

815
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: want to keep that flowing and kind of keep it

816
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Speaker 1: on the back burner, keep it out of the front,

817
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Speaker 1: out of the headlines in the news, so that we

818
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: can muddle through. And they're locked into kind of indefinite

819
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: war mode, like low burner, in definite war mode. And

820
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Speaker 1: it's disgusting because again, you're talking about actual human beings

821
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Speaker 1: who are being slaughtered. You're talking about real cities that had,

822
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Speaker 1: you know, vibrant lives and communities and history to them

823
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Speaker 1: that are being flattened and you know will be will

824
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Speaker 1: never be the same again. And but you know, there's

825
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: no ability to have a serious conversation about trade ufs,

826
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Speaker 1: about what the plan is, about what the strategy is,

827
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Speaker 1: and so you just end up in this muddle. You know,

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Speaker 1: with regard to the politics of this, it's pretty split

829
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Speaker 1: fifty to fifty who people think would do a better job,

830
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Speaker 1: and I think it's pretty split in general fifty to

831
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Speaker 1: fifty and how people want to approach the Ukraine war.

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Speaker 1: Can put this up on the screen after the last debate,

833
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: this was pulling that came out that showed which candidate

834
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Speaker 1: would be better on the issue. Forty nine percent say

835
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Speaker 1: Trump would do a better job with regard to the

836
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Speaker 1: rush of Ukraine war. Forty seven percent say Kamala Harris,

837
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: so pretty split. I also think we shouldn't delude ourselves

838
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Speaker 1: into thinking that this is a primary issue that people

839
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: are voting on at this point, not to say that

840
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: there's no one that cares about it, and it's certainly

841
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: not to say that it's not important, but oftentimes foreign

842
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: affairs doesn't end up being the top issue that people

843
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Speaker 1: are voting on, especially when you don't have direct American

844
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Speaker 1: boots on the ground. But nevertheless, regardless of where the

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Speaker 1: political standing is, you know, the Biden Harrison mishtation, ohs

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Speaker 1: the American people an explanation, and Trump, by the way,

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Speaker 1: ohs American people an explanation of because he just uses

848
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Speaker 1: this than oh, it never would have happened in the war.

849
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Speaker 1: But you know, specifics are important here. What does that

850
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Speaker 1: mean exactly? And because they have komalas subjected herself to

851
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Speaker 1: basically no adversarial interviews. Trump has done very few adversarial interviews.

852
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Speaker 1: We only had this one debate. This is the sort

853
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Speaker 1: of thing that neither one of them has really truly

854
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Speaker 1: been pressed on.

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Speaker 2: And this is, you know, a good show at the

856
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Speaker 2: top because what people, I know, everybody wants about inflation

857
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Speaker 2: and all that. That truth is the president and their

858
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Speaker 2: ability to influence inflation, macroeconomic events and in general that's

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Speaker 2: really going to touch your like economic life. It's pretty low.

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Speaker 2: But in war it's actually they have total discretion to

861
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Speaker 2: be able to do whatever they want. The Imperial American

862
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Speaker 2: president has one hundred percent ability to get the United

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Speaker 2: States into a full on nuclear Not enough people ever

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Speaker 2: really grapple with that. Only when tensions are very high

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Speaker 2: or two thousand was two thousand and four after the

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Speaker 2: Iraq War. Prior to that and the Soviet Union times things,

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Speaker 2: it was more elevated because people had the specter of

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Speaker 2: nuclear annihilation on their minds at all time. But that's

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Speaker 2: mostly gone away. But if you look at the most

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Speaker 2: consequential acts in the last twenty five years, all of

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Speaker 2: them come back to terrible foreign policy mishaps. War in

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Speaker 2: Iraq ended up costing like six trillion, War in Afghanistan

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00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: cost two trillion, tens of thousands of dead. The downstream

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Speaker 2: effects of that on global trade, on US position on

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Speaker 2: American superpower status, on Chinese competition. All of it is

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Speaker 2: a disaster. If you look right now at Lebanon, and

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Speaker 2: that's situe also Russia and Ukraine. The consequences of each

878
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Speaker 2: of these individual decisions are going to be tenfold to

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Speaker 2: whatever tax legislation that you pass in the immediate term.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is the tail end effective It is

881
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Speaker 2: just so high, and people don't really think that way.

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Speaker 2: They think very They have a lot of recency bias,

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Speaker 2: and most people are not paying attention. And that's fine,

884
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Speaker 2: it really is, but you know, you just shouldn't be

885
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Speaker 2: surprised then when something flares up and then your son

886
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 2: ends up having to get deployed, or you end up

887
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Speaker 2: paying more for a gallon of gas, or you know,

888
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Speaker 2: your favorite company or whatever camp and ship you anything,

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Speaker 2: because the straits are completely closed from uh from from warfare,

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Speaker 2: and that's a very likely possibility. And in both of

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Speaker 2: these cases, we're looking at a very very unstable world

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Speaker 2: of which we are the primary bankroller of both. And

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Speaker 2: that's what I think just underscores it really for me,

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Speaker 2: these wars, we have nothing really at stake for real,

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Speaker 2: like what does America care? What do you care if

896
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Speaker 2: you live in whatever, Scranton, Pennsylvania, the square mile territory,

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Speaker 2: control of the Dnetsk region of Ukraine. Same with Israel

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Speaker 2: and with Lebanon. Why should we be funding this? Nobody

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Speaker 2: will give you a real straight an. It's always in

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Speaker 2: a democracy, American jobs, but this fake is like a

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Speaker 2: couple hundred jobs in Scranted.

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Speaker 1: It's also like, I mean, it's also deeply sick to

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Speaker 1: just like structure such a large part of your economy,

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Speaker 1: you know, around weapons of war meant to destroy human beings.

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Speaker 1: But even if there is you know, some truth to like,

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Speaker 1: oh this is creating jobs in Scriant, in Pennsylvania or whatever.

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Speaker 1: It's a deeply, deeply sick and deprived way to structure

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Speaker 1: and think.

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Speaker 3: About your economy.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean the other thing is the whole

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Speaker 1: thing just seems so so listless, so directionless. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: the American super is just being buffeted around by world

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Speaker 1: events and you know, doing whatever Zelenski wants us to do,

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Speaker 1: doing whatever bb netnya who wants to do and with

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Speaker 1: Netanyahu and Biden, like you know, this guy is a

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Speaker 1: political adversary, you know what he's all about. And yet

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Speaker 1: you still can't bring yourself to, you know, break from

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Speaker 1: the mass, overwhelming, bipartisan consensus that we just got to

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Speaker 1: do whatever Israel wants us to do in perpetuity, no

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Speaker 1: matter the consequences to our own strategic interest, and no

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Speaker 1: matter certainly the consequences to human life in the region.

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Speaker 1: So very dark developments, very dark developments, on both fronts.