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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. It was Easter a

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Speaker 1: couple days ago, and we have not one, but two

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Speaker 1: stories involving death and Easter egg hunts. We have the

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Speaker 1: latest with the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping, an update on a

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Speaker 1: story we brought you last week about Perez Hilton, and

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Speaker 1: a case coming out of New York City involving a

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Speaker 1: luxury birthing center and a woman who claims she brought

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Speaker 1: something home besides her new baby. We'll finish up with

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Speaker 1: your questions and comments. All that and more on today's episode. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's been another update on Nancy Guthrie.

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Speaker 2: Well, Savannah Guthrie returned to The Today Show yesterday and

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Speaker 2: then convene. A new ransom note just happened to drop

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Speaker 2: to TMZ.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, so this one. So Ashley Banfield is saying

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Speaker 1: that this new note, the FBI is saying that they

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Speaker 1: believe some of these notes are real.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's been speculation about that along the way, and

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Speaker 2: I saw commentary from a woman that used to work

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Speaker 2: in the CIA also that said technically the FBI needs

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Speaker 2: to treat all of them as credible until proven otherwise,

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Speaker 2: because you really just don't know. And obviously these are

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Speaker 2: really hard to track because of the routes in which

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Speaker 2: people are going about it. I mean, they're requesting the

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Speaker 2: money via bitcoin accounts, which are hard to tract. They're

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Speaker 2: most likely using VPNs or encrypted chats or whatever. But

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Speaker 2: this person seemed to say that, no matter what, the

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Speaker 2: FBI was able at some point, whether it took a

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Speaker 2: couple minutes or a couple months to get back to

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Speaker 2: who it was in the first place. But this note

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Speaker 2: in particular is weird because they're claiming that they saw

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Speaker 2: Nancy alive in Mexico at some point and they now

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Speaker 2: say she's dead. They claim to know all the information

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Speaker 2: about the kidnappers, and they criticize the FBI for not

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Speaker 2: taking the other one seriously. I think the weirdest thing

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Speaker 2: about this note, however, is there only asking for half

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Speaker 2: of a bitcoin, which is about thirty four thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: But the Guthries have said they're willing to pay a

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Speaker 2: million dollars only.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago, So why are you asking for

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Speaker 1: so little? I think the plan is, if this is

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Speaker 1: all true, is that this person wants to just get

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Speaker 1: bitcoin and be completely undetected. I mean, listen, think about this.

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Speaker 1: The only person that's going to come for this reward

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Speaker 1: is somebody that is not involved in this case at all,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really have anything in the game, Like it's

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Speaker 1: not going to be Let's say, for example, a woman

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Speaker 1: knows that her son kidnapped her, Like, she's not going

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Speaker 1: to go and try to go get this reward because

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Speaker 1: that is all traced back. And I guess the whole

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Speaker 1: point with the bitcoin is they want to get some

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Speaker 1: money out of it and just they think that they

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Speaker 1: could be completely undetected and not because like once you

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Speaker 1: go to the FBI or to Savannah and try to

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Speaker 1: get this huge reward, they're going to be like tracing

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Speaker 1: you and following you, and you might get in trouble

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Speaker 1: for not saying anything, like why would anybody do that?

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Speaker 2: No, I understand that, but don't you also find it

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Speaker 2: a red flag that they were criticizing the FBI, Like

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Speaker 2: aren't the FBI not the leads on this case still

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Speaker 2: the Pima Sheriff County is who is the head of

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Speaker 2: this investigation, So, like I thought that was a weird tidbit,

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Speaker 2: they just threw it out there to see what would happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if it comes to the letters though,

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Speaker 1: like that's an FBI thing, I understand that.

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Speaker 2: I just think that they're criticizing them in particular, not

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Speaker 2: the whole operation, just from the tidbits I saw, and

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Speaker 2: it's all like, you know, people are criticizing TMZ, why

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Speaker 2: are you putting these notes out? Of course, this note

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Speaker 2: comes out the day she's trying to go back to

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Speaker 2: her normal life. I guess in theory her life is

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Speaker 2: and then a new note drops. I mean, I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I do think it's a little soon for her to

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Speaker 1: And there's no nothing is different than the night that

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Speaker 1: Like how is she really going to be returning to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean how could she even report on other

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Speaker 2: true crime cases without the I mean, her mother's case

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Speaker 2: is truly most likely going to be the highest profile

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Speaker 2: not relive this horrific moment her family has just gone

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Speaker 2: contractually she had to come back. We don't really know

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Speaker 2: what was going on. Behind the scenes. Obviously that would

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Speaker 2: so we don't really know what's going on behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: The got threes also might know more information that is

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Speaker 2: don't want to say this in an insensitive way, but

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Speaker 1: Form of totally. I was thinking that too. I was

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Speaker 1: just like, they it's just annoying because they just release

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Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, they're allowed to know what it says,

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Speaker 2: It's really bad, like it's only benefiting them though, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like when the whole Nick Reiner thing happened

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Speaker 2: They are, but you have to think about traditional media

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Speaker 1: Well, there's people who So there's legitimate reporters like Briant

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Speaker 2: But if TMZ has like their network of internal sources,

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Speaker 1: Like that's how I think like Lisa Mury Presley was

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Speaker 1: people that dedicate their life to it. So that's how

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Speaker 1: The probably did, but they were also like, we're using

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Speaker 1: just wondering it, like if the if the FBI, if

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Speaker 1: because Ashley Banfield clearly has a person on the inside,

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Speaker 1: if the FBI really thinks that these letters are real

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have any accidents or anything like that, Like,

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Speaker 1: hopefully everything goes well, but he's not I wouldn't say

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Speaker 1: he's out of the woods quite yet.

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Speaker 2: This episode is brought to you by the Grossroom.

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Speaker 1: So this week's high profile that the section we did

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Speaker 1: on a little six year old boy named Corey Mitchello.

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Speaker 1: If you guys might not recognize his name, but everybody

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Speaker 1: will remember this case. It involves this six year old

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Speaker 1: boy who was being abused by his father. And if

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Speaker 1: you recall when this was going on, there was this

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Speaker 1: viral video that was going around showing his dad forcing

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Speaker 1: him to run on the treadmill even though the kid

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Speaker 1: kept falling off and the dad was abusing him. And

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Speaker 1: while it wasn't directly related to his death, that video

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Speaker 1: was able, along with other things obviously, but was really

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Speaker 1: able to prove that this guy was abusive towards the kid.

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Speaker 1: So it's a cool case that we dissected because it

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Speaker 1: shows how the forensic pathologist from the prosecutor and the

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Speaker 1: forensic pathologists from the defense team. Both were looking at

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Speaker 1: the same as ac medical information, but we're coming up

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Speaker 1: with two completely different conclusions and manners of death as

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Speaker 1: far as how this child died. So it's really interesting.

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Speaker 1: So check that out.

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Speaker 2: Head over to the grocerroom dot com now to sign up. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So Easter all right, So first, in Germany, a group

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Speaker 2: was doing an Easter egg hunt in the woods and

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, this giant gust of wind came through,

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Speaker 2: knocked a tree down on top of them, and ended

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Speaker 2: up killing three people. Yeah, I mean, this is just

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Speaker 2: one of those things that's a freak accident.

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Speaker 1: How could you? You hear about it sometimes too, during

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Speaker 1: storms and stuff. I mean a tree Like if a

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Speaker 1: tree is looks like it's in a residential area and

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Speaker 1: it's rotten and stuff like, it should be cut down immediately.

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Speaker 1: But when you're in the woods, anything could happened, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even a couple of weeks ago we

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Speaker 2: had I'm pretty bad weather here, and when I drive

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Speaker 2: to the grocery store there's a tree that seemingly looks

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Speaker 2: perfectly healthy that's completely ripped out of the ground with

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Speaker 2: all of the grass still around it also ripped out

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Speaker 2: of the ground. It literally looks like you know in

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Speaker 2: Beetlejuice when they have the mile it looks like that,

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Speaker 2: but in real life, which is insane to see. But

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Speaker 2: the tree looked pretty healthy. I just think sometimes the

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Speaker 2: weather is so intense that this could happen.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's I also noticed that when it happens around

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Speaker 1: here a lot at you know, like a lot. Even

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, they don't have a ton of sidewalks set

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Speaker 1: up like we do in New Jersey, where it's we

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Speaker 1: have streets and then we have that skinny piece of

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Speaker 1: grass at the curb with a sidewalk, and then people's

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Speaker 1: lawns and that in that skinny piece of grass, people

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Speaker 1: you know, back in the day would plant a maple

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Speaker 1: tree which is now fifty years old and way too

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Speaker 1: big to be anchored into the ground properly in that

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Speaker 1: small space, so they're not really getting their legs in

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Speaker 1: there to hold on. You know. That's where I noticed

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Speaker 1: them the most. But yeah, it could happen anywhere. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we don't even live in an area. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess now we are considered to have tornadoes around here,

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Speaker 1: but you see some trees in my neighborhood because we

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Speaker 1: have like an old established tree kind of neighborhood, and

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Speaker 1: it's like you just see them completely ripped up out

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Speaker 1: of the ground and a piece of wood falling what

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Speaker 1: was it ninety eight feet? I mean, that's gonna kill

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Speaker 1: you instantly.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So it ended up falling on a couple

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Speaker 2: of people. So a twenty one year old mother and

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Speaker 2: a sixteen year old girl died at the scene, and

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Speaker 2: then I guess the twenty one year old mom was

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Speaker 2: holding her ten month old baby, who also got injured

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Speaker 2: and then later died at the hospital. And then an

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Speaker 2: eighteen year old also had to be airlifted to the

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Speaker 2: hospital from it.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so terrible when you're just doing something

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Speaker 1: that's like a recreational fun thing with your kids and

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Speaker 1: there's there's I you just sit there and you're just like,

511
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Speaker 1: there's nothing anybody could have done to prevent that. No, totally.

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Speaker 2: And then in similar news in Long Beach, an easter

513
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Speaker 2: egg hunt was also happening in the woods, and these

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Speaker 2: kids or this family came across a human skull partially

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Speaker 2: buried in the dirt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So at first they said it was suspicious for

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Speaker 1: a human skull, which if you're in the United States,

518
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Speaker 1: the only skull that could look like a human skull

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Speaker 1: a little bit is some kind of a primate. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they kind of have a similar vibe. I can't think

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Speaker 1: of any other skull in the animal kingdom that could

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Speaker 1: be suspicious for human. You know, so if you're in

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Speaker 1: Long Beach, California, the likelihood of there being any kind

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Speaker 1: of a primate skull anywhere is very I mean, I

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Speaker 1: guess anything's possible if you have a pet or something

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Speaker 1: like that. But they're saying it's small, and they have

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Speaker 1: can firm that is a human skull, and they said

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Speaker 1: that it looks like it's from an infant. So it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that they use the word infant too, because it

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Speaker 1: I guess they're saying like, it doesn't look like fetal remains.

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Speaker 1: It looks like a like a baby, and which is

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Speaker 1: weird because that means there's a baby on accounted for somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because well, now that we know this, I had

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Speaker 2: originally categorized this and like our other death news, which

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Speaker 2: is where we don't really always necessarily know what happened.

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Speaker 2: But if it's a baby, I feel like that can't be.

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Speaker 2: Like if it was an adults. Sometimes people will go

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Speaker 2: in the woods and do drugs and die there or

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Speaker 2: something like that, or have a medical emergency something like that.

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Speaker 1: Or get hit by a tree. Get hit by a tree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, like an accident could occur. But like now

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Speaker 2: that we know it's a baby that's potentially unaccounted for,

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Speaker 2: that's not good. And then other local news outlets around

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Speaker 2: there were reporting that other small bones were located nearby.

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Speaker 1: So it's just that's that's the whole theory behind to

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Speaker 1: Casey Anthony and Cally Anthony case right, it's just like

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Speaker 1: this kid was found dead in a wooded area. There's

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Speaker 1: no reason, I mean, aside they couldn't figure out exactly

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Speaker 1: what her cause of death was, right, so she could

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Speaker 1: have died from an accidental death or whatever, like nobody

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Speaker 1: really knows. But there's her mouth. Well it's not even

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Speaker 1: that though. It's just like there's no reason that a

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Speaker 1: child should be out in the woods like that. But

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Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't near her house. It's not like

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Speaker 1: she ran away, you know, because that could happen like

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Speaker 1: kids wander out in the middle of the night, and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't anything like that, So exactly what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't if it's an adult there, they could say

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Speaker 1: it's undetermined and not really like nobody's responsible for an adult,

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Speaker 1: whereas like adults are responsible for children. You mean, if

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Speaker 1: your kid wandered out of the house in the middle

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Speaker 1: and that you wouldn't to wait thirty days to report it.

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Speaker 1: Actually not you, your mother would report it. They didn't

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Speaker 1: even say that, and then that was the reason the

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Speaker 1: whole And.

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Speaker 2: Then you go to some parties and get a tattoo

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Speaker 2: that sai dulce vito, which means a sweet life.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't know that that case. That case really just

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Speaker 1: bothers me to this day, and a lot of it

570
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Speaker 1: is like I know that most people have determined that

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Speaker 1: that Casey is is a sociopath whatever people think she is,

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Speaker 1: But I really don't agree with people that are supportive

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Speaker 1: of the parents, just me too, because we I feel

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Speaker 1: like when I look back at that case, especially since

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Speaker 1: it happened when I was around the same age, within

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Speaker 1: a couple of years, it's just like I was in

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Speaker 1: a similar situation where I had a baby as a teenager,

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Speaker 1: and I was kind of like living with my mom

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Speaker 1: and dad, but sometimes we moved out if I had

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Speaker 1: go to school or whatever. And and Momum always said

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Speaker 1: this about this case because I used to talk to her,

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Speaker 1: like I talked to her like every day or every

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Speaker 1: other day, and she would talk to you, and she's

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Speaker 1: just like if I if I didn't really think that

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Speaker 1: you that Maria was around, especially when you were a

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Speaker 1: little kid. You're you know, like you're five and six

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Speaker 1: years old. Like how old were we when we moved

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Speaker 1: to the city for me to go to Jefferson like

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Speaker 1: you you were. I was in second grade? Second grade, right,

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Speaker 1: so you were like seven and seven. Okay, so I'm

591
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: there not living near her. She can't see me every

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Speaker 1: single day if she wasn't hearing from you every couple days,

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Speaker 1: just because I was so young too, you think that

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Speaker 1: she wouldn't be like, let me drive over there and

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Speaker 1: see what's going on in like thirty days. No, I'm sorry,

596
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Speaker 1: Like I understand it's not their kid, but still it's weird.

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Speaker 1: It's just weird. They lived with them for a long

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Speaker 1: period of time.

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Speaker 2: It is.

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Speaker 1: You just have when you're when you're born into a

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Speaker 1: situation where you're a teen mom, you usually are kind

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Speaker 1: of raising that kid with like the rest of your family,

603
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Speaker 1: So it's just a little bit of a different dynamic

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Speaker 1: than your your grandparents have with with children. And I

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Speaker 1: just I just think that the whole thing stinks, Like

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Speaker 1: the whole story stinks, and I don't like how they

607
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Speaker 1: seem like they're victims of it or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it had to be before we launch

609
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Speaker 2: Mother Knows Death, But I know when that Peacock series

610
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Speaker 2: came out interviewing Casey Anthony that we had recapped it.

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Speaker 2: It has to be in the grosser room, because I

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Speaker 2: know we did an audio recapping it. Yeah, but at

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Speaker 2: that time I had said that, like, I, even after

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Speaker 2: hearing her speak, had a little more sympathy for her.

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Speaker 2: And that's because I saw how gross the parents were

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Speaker 2: also acting. Not saying she's innocent, I'm just saying all

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Speaker 2: three of them, yeah, have grown.

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Speaker 1: I'm not either. I'm just exactly like, I'm just kind

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Speaker 1: of like, I don't know what the hell was going

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Speaker 1: on in that house, but there was something going on

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Speaker 1: in that house that's always weird. Would say, Okay, let's

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Speaker 1: get onto our last story, because this one is is

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Speaker 1: so weird.

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Speaker 2: A patient is claiming that at the luxury Alexandra Cohen

625
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Speaker 2: Hospital for Women in Newborns in New York City that

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Speaker 2: her family got a flea infestation that caused them to

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Speaker 2: have to vacate their homes so it could be fumigated.

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Speaker 1: So why is this considered luxury?

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Speaker 2: So this is a private hospital, and I guess it

630
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: costs about thirty grand out of pocket to give birth there.

631
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Speaker 2: It's in like the Upper East Side. And this is

632
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Speaker 2: the most ridiculous thing is that Chanelle gave the hospital

633
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Speaker 2: one point five million dollars a couple of years ago.

634
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Speaker 2: So every mother that gives birth there gets a Chanelle

635
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: gift bag. And I'm thinking, like, you're getting a purse, right,

636
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Speaker 2: But no, you're getting like a perfume, a lipstick, and

637
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 2: a face wash, which is only about two hundred dollars

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Speaker 2: in value. No.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking, because like listen, one point five million

640
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Speaker 1: dollars worth of Chanelle is just not that's not that

641
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: many products, because some of their purses are five ten

642
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Even on the real reel, you can't get a purse

644
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Speaker 2: for like under five grand.

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Speaker 1: And that's a used bag. Think about that. Oh, I know,

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Speaker 1: I I do think about it, and I just think

647
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Speaker 1: that it's like I was thinking, they probably got a

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Speaker 1: Chanelle gift bag, like a really nice like a gift

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Speaker 1: bag that you would give a birthday present in one

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Speaker 1: of those paper ones, and then it had one of

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Speaker 1: those cards that's like a pamphlet cut in half with

652
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: a perfume sample that you would get at like Oulta

653
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: or Sephora or something that's I'm I was thinking that

654
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: that it's like shit like that, and like who wants

655
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: Chanelle perfume? It smells like ass, Like it's terrible.

656
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: I one hundred percent agree with you overfu spell so disgusting.

657
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: It's it's one of the you know how there's like

658
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: all of these trends that everybody just does it because

659
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: it's it's so chic, and you're just like that's the

660
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: it's the worst smelling perfume or the ugliest sweater or

661
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: something like that, like that burken bag. I'm sorry, Like

662
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: it's just ugly. It's it's ugly and basic, bitch and boring,

663
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: and everybody's just like, no, I need to spend one

664
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars on this and you're just like, dude,

665
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: it ain't even cute, like you're lying to yourself, you're

666
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: lying to everybody about it. It's just you're all you're

667
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: all on, like you're all into this trend. That's that's dumb.

668
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: I only understand buying a burkin if you actually have

669
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and like I believe a burkin

670
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: is considered a smart investment, which is something that will

671
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: always appreciate in value. So if you're buying luxury goods

672
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: like that, from an investment perspective, a burkin is a

673
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,840
Speaker 2: good investment. That's my understanding of it. I personally like

674
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: the way the Kelly bag looks from Irmaz, but it's

675
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: also plain and I don't think worth fifty thousand dollars.

676
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if I get one for free, different story,

677
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: Like that's never gonna happen. But yeah, I just think

678
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: this is like so ridiculous that we're thinking about getting

679
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 2: this Chanelle gift bag and giving birth at this like

680
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 2: quote unquote luxury maternal hospital in the Upper East Side.

681
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Speaker 1: They put like diamond encrusted speculum menu and stuff.

682
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: Well they should at this rate because it's ridiculous and

683
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: you have to I guess my question is, like, do

684
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Speaker 2: you have to pay out of pocket to give birth there?

685
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 2: They just don't even take insurance.

686
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Speaker 1: I don't know how this setup is. I mean, there's

687
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: there's definitely a difference between I've worked at private hospital

688
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: and a public hospital, But I don't see why they

689
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: wouldn't take insurance. But they probably do for the basic

690
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: delivery part of it, but the actual room you might

691
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: be paying extra four because it's like more of a

692
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Speaker 1: hotel setup or something like that. Part of it might

693
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: not be covered the extras, you know. So all right,

694
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Speaker 1: So this lady gives birth there and she goes home

695
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Speaker 1: for the second time. It was her second delivery there. Yeah,

696
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Speaker 1: so I guess the first time she had a positive experience.

697
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Speaker 1: So she goes home and has all these bites all

698
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Speaker 1: over her body and figures out that she has a

699
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Speaker 1: fleet infestation that she has brought home to her house.

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Speaker 2: Well, she's saying that the first sign of it was

701
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Speaker 2: that when she was transferred to the postpartum suite, she

702
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 2: noticed that there was holes in the sheets, which I mean,

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Speaker 2: if you're paying that much money to deliver at the hospital,

704
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Speaker 2: which I guess in theory, any hospital is going to

705
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Speaker 2: charge you out the ass to give birth, right, so whatever.

706
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: But no hospital you go in, regardless, should have any

707
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: holes in the sheets when you're going into the room.

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Speaker 2: And then she said, the first night she was in there,

709
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Speaker 2: her ankles became so incredibly itchy, and she was constantly

710
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 2: bending over to itch them, which wasn't good because she

711
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: had a C section.

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Speaker 1: You're not supposed to bend like that.

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Speaker 2: And then she was wearing compression socks at the time too,

714
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: that she said were freshly laundered from her own home,

715
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Speaker 2: so she thought it was especially weird how itchy her

716
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: ankles were. And then when she got home, the bite

717
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: started turning into blisters and hurting so bad. And then

718
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Speaker 2: she physically saw a flea on her bed, jumping around.

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Speaker 2: So came to the conclusion that the flea came from

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Speaker 2: the hospital.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like, I just think that this is

722
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Speaker 1: highly unlikely. Why because of just because of the way, like,

723
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Speaker 1: there's no there's no animals that are there living there, right,

724
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Speaker 1: So the only way that that's happening is that a

725
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Speaker 1: human unless someone brought in like a service dog or something,

726
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: which is possible. But it's still it's not living there.

727
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: So the only way that it even got it could

728
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: have got there in the first place was that came

729
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: from someone's belongings, which just totally possible. Someone had. You know,

730
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Speaker 1: we were talking about this, how people pack their maternity

731
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Speaker 1: bag six months before they're getting ready to have a baby,

732
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Speaker 1: and they've been sitting by the door because they just

733
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Speaker 1: think their water is gonna break and they have to

734
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Speaker 1: be as a hospital in five minutes, so they so

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Speaker 1: they yes. In other words, you so they have their

736
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Speaker 1: bag and they have fleas in their house and that

737
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: could get That's how it gets on the bag, and

738
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Speaker 1: then the person brings the bag to the hospital and

739
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Speaker 1: then it goes there. So fleas like ultimately they have

740
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: a life cycle, but but like they need human a

741
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:41,839
Speaker 1: human host at some point. So and no one, no

742
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: one is really living there, and it's in a situation

743
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: where so let's say you see fleas and you kill them,

744
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: they're you know, they're like a pain, They're like lice.

745
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Speaker 1: They're a pain in the ass to get rid of

746
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: because you kill all the bugs, but all of the

747
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: eggs are still all over the floor. And then that's

748
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: the lifestyle cycle. Keeps continuing and continue, and that you

749
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: have to kill the eggs because they're gonna hatch and

750
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: then the bugs are gonna be there. And it's like

751
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: a circle circle, right, But like a hospital is doesn't

752
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: have carpet, has sheets and stuff that are cleaned all

753
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: the time and bleached and and like chemicals. I mean,

754
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: you're giving birth. It's like they're not gonna have blood

755
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: and stuff falling on the ground without using some kind

756
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: of aniseptic wash some like usually a bleached product or

757
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: some kind of hospital grade lysol product whatever. I just

758
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it just seems to me like

759
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: if was it a flea or was it a bed bug,

760
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: because I think a bedbug could be more likely, although

761
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 1: it's just still bedbugs don't like jump.

762
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 2: Or if she's saying she saw the bug jumping around,

763
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: I believe that would be a flea because don't bedbugs

764
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 2: hide under the mattress and stuff.

765
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and they don't. I don't know, Like

766
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess there's a possibility too if there's

767
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: some kind of like a rat infestation, that they're there.

768
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: They just worth noting, however, or that other people have

769
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: criticized this hospital for being very unclean and overcrowded, with

770
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: some people saying that there's unknown stains all over the

771
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: floor and amniotic fluid just splashed on the floor.

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Speaker 1: How would you know if it was that or not.

773
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: I don't really know.

774
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 2: And then someone else said that they noticed a woman

775
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: whose back was caked with dried poop from an unknown source.

776
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: It just seems I just feel like, it seems like

777
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: such a stretch that someone would have had fleas, brought

778
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: it in on their bag, and then they multiplied to

779
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: the point where they were in a room that was uninhabited,

780
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: and then this woman came in and got so many

781
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: fleas that she brought them home and her house got infested.

782
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: It just is. It's such a stretch. It is.

783
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: But another weird thing to point out is that the

784
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 2: hospital did agree to pay for the exterminator, which I

785
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: as a quote courtesy, which I just thought was unusual.

786
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: Well is the courtesy like, shut the fuck up? Just

787
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: the press.

788
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'd pay for it, but you're signing

789
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: this NDA.

790
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I just want to know. I

791
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: just really want to know how I mean, obviously, if

792
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: she has a flea infestation, I would. I would say

793
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: that it's that it's unlikely that she has an animal

794
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: living in the house, like a dog or a cat,

795
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: because how else would how else would she be able

796
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: to prove that she got it there? But were they

797
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: traveling recently? Could she have picked it up somewhere else?

798
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Like I just think it's such

799
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: a stretch.

800
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but think about the people that are going to

801
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 2: this hospital. They're probably Upper east Side rich Karens that

802
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,840
Speaker 2: just can't possibly fathom their apartment building have a flea.

803
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: In it, right. Well, no, I mean, like, listen, it's

804
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 1: such a bitch to get fleas that I would be

805
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: really pissed if I got it from somebody's house, especially

806
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: from a hospital that I was paying, even if I

807
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: was paying nothing. But they gave you that perfume, so

808
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: shut up. I think this solution is to just use

809
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: the Chanelle perfume and spray your house and everything will

810
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 1: die because it's so toxic. Didn't like Jackie O or

811
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: somebody wore somebody like or Elizabeth Tell like somebody famous

812
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: wore it?

813
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: Right?

814
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: Like there was it's like that. I mean, like obviously

815
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: like Coco Chanel, all that stuff.

816
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: It's like that perfume smell though that the second your

817
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: nose makes contact with it, you feel like you're suffocating.

818
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: It's it's so terrible. So I just want to do

819
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: an experiment because if you think about, like I don't

820
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: know if you want to think about an actress right

821
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: now that's like really popular that everybody loves. I don't

822
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: know if there's anybody you could think off the top

823
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: of your head, but just think like Jennifer Anison for example.

824
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't it's like a it's a typical like

825
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: product endorsement. Like if she was just like, oh, this

826
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: this one lifesaw that's lavender, it smells exactly like perfume,

827
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 1: and you could get It's only five dollars and you

828
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: could get it and it has the same chemicals as

829
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: this and blah blah blah, Like you'd have people buying

830
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: it because she said it was good. That's just how

831
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: it is. And there's been this weird tradition that has

832
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: gone on for way too long with Chanelle number five,

833
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 1: especially like it's it smells beyond old Lady. It just

834
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: smells like it smells like the section in CBS that

835
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: sells like explanation and sunflowers perfume from the eighties or something.

836
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 1: It just has this like low grade. Ugh, there's nothing

837
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: high end about it.

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Speaker 2: And I know we've been talking mad shit, but we

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Speaker 2: will accept your sponsorship.

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844
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Speaker 2: from Jenna. I'm a former e erner, current or nurse

845
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 2: about Tiger Woods in his twenty twenty one incident where

846
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: they didn't test him. Where I work in rural Nova, Scotia, Canada,

847
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: if we have a person come in a bad car accident,

848
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: we run a UDR as well as a BAC with

849
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: our routine work up, whether the police were involved or not.

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00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 2: If the person is completely incapacitated and needing to go

851
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 2: to surgery, they need to have a fully catheter placed

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Speaker 2: to drain the bladder, and labs run to determine the

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00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: baseline anyway, so while they are being prepped for ther

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00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: the stuff is included. That being said, I don't know

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00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: how other places work or their policies, but ninety nine

856
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: point nine percent of our doctors are going to order

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00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,239
Speaker 2: those tests every time, and if they don't, the nurse

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00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: is going to insist they add them on what a

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00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: mess that guy is?

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00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: So someone so she's from Canada. Yeah, someone in the

861
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: grosser room also said a similar thing who works in America,

862
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: that they run their ICU nurse and they would run

863
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: like a like a drug screen on it. But would

864
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: you if it was Tiger? That's what I want to know.

865
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Speaker 1: And the other question that I had was because like,

866
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this particular listener in Canada

867
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: or the one from the grosser room has ever dealt

868
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,760
Speaker 1: with someone that was a VIP patient on that level,

869
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: because things are handled differently. I've witnessed it personally working

870
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: in a hospital in Philadelphia that has had some pretty

871
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: high level people as patients there, So things are just

872
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: handled a little bit differently. So that's question number one.

873
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,760
Speaker 1: And then question number two I had for you guys

874
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: is how does that work with HIPPA Because typically when

875
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: you get any kind of lab work or blood test

876
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: done or anything like that, that's your private personal health information.

877
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: So how does that work? You're legally allowed to tell

878
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: the police that that was like I guess it doesn't

879
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 1: apply to testing like that, but I am just yes,

880
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,720
Speaker 1: how you go about that without getting into trouble because

881
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: if it was another situation where a nurse was telling

882
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: results to somebody, they could get fired over that. So

883
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: what's the exception? I guess That's what I wanted to know,

884
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: all right.

885
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: Next is from the perspective of a cop, Crystal. She

886
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 2: has written in before, I'm a cop and in Delaware,

887
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: if someone is suspected of DUI but blows zero zero

888
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: on the breathalyzer, we will get a search warrant to

889
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: do a blood draw and charge with the DUI of drugs.

890
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 2: If we get that search warrant, they can't refuse the

891
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: blood draw, we will hold them down into a forcible

892
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 2: blood draw. We also have a quote drug recognition experts

893
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: that will call in to help to do other tests

894
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: and pinpoint exactly which drug they believe they're on, but

895
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: we will always get the blood draw after that. I'm

896
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: not sure how things work in other states, but I

897
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: assume similarly.

898
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Thank you for sharing that. So I have

899
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: another question for you if you're listening. So yesterday my

900
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: so my car was getting serviced yesterday and my husband

901
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: was driving me and one of my daughters to the

902
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: dealership to go pick up my car, and we were

903
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: en route seventy it's like a major it's not a highway,

904
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: but it's it's not. The speed limits pretty high, probably

905
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: forty or fifty, I don't know, or people drive that

906
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: fast on it anyway, and there's construction going on, and

907
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: someone you know that didn't know how to drive, came

908
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: to a complete stop in front of one of the

909
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: those orange not the cones, but you know those like

910
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: circular big tube things, like the barrier things. Okay, so

911
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: someone in front of us came to a complete stop

912
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: to which we had to come to a complete stop,

913
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: and then the person that was driving behind us, that

914
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: was probably going like thirty plus miles an hour like

915
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: completely slammed into the back of our car right and

916
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: we were look we were looking at this particular car

917
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: through multiple traffic lights because they were driving some like

918
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 1: hooped pt cruiser. Okay, like how I don't even know

919
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: the last time that car was driven, but just like

920
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: they had their windows down and were smoking, and we

921
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: were stuck in traffic at some point and it was

922
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: going into my car which is like one of my

923
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: number one pet peeves of all time. When people smoke,

924
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: either in traffic or in a drive through line, it's

925
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: so freaking rude. So we were onto these people and

926
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: they got out and they were just like completely like

927
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: on something. It was like two older dudes, and like

928
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: Gabe was just like, they're they're high, Like it's obvious

929
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: that they're high or something like something was up. So

930
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: we Gabe did say something to the officers, but like,

931
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: how does that go from there? Did they do anything?

932
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: Do they mand it to Like is that something that

933
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 1: the cops have to decide for themselves or because we

934
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: had that situation too with my neighbor that got hit

935
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: by someone that opened their car and their car stunk

936
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: like weed, and like the he said something to the cops,

937
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: but that's it. But I guess in this particular situation,

938
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter per se because it was their fault.

939
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: The cops determined it was their fault that they hit us.

940
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: But like we still have like a couple thousand dollars

941
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: car repair now that well they did they even have insurance,

942
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 1: the cops said. I guess the cops said that they did,

943
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: but like I'm not putting. I don't want to put

944
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: in an insurance claim because our insurance will go up

945
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: way more than the repair cost.

946
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: You know that insurance should cover the cost of your damage.

947
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: Is that how that works?

948
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: So?

949
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: But do I have to call my insurance to handle that? I? Like,

950
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I have been burned so bad

951
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: by the car insurance and my payment is finally normal,

952
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: So I just don't even want to let them. I

953
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: don't want to let them in on it because of that.

954
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: But I guess my question is under what, like the

955
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: officer has to determine that they're intoxicated. I guess that's

956
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: why you would do it, Like, do you have to

957
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: have an actual documented reason to test somebody? Or can

958
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: you just test whoever you want to?

959
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how you would handle that. Somebody could

960
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: write in and let us know, or I would ask around, honestly,

961
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: because I would try to get their insurance to pay

962
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 2: for it since it was already determined to be their fault. Yeah,

963
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: so all right.

964
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: Last is from Dawn.

965
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 2: My family was forced to move to a new state

966
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: due to a promotion at work. I'm usually introverted and

967
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 2: don't make friends easily, but I quickly made friends with

968
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 2: the lady who lived across the street from me, who

969
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 2: had kids the same age as mine. Let's call her

970
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: Mom A. I met some other moms through her. Another

971
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: mom in the group, which we'll refer to as Mom B,

972
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: is a nurse at the biggest hospital in our town.

973
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: Mom A and I had a falling out and she

974
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: made my life miserable for a couple of years, being

975
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: snarky and mean. Because of that, Mom B started doing

976
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 2: the same thing, but she hid the insults very well

977
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: and pretended to.

978
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: Be my friend.

979
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 2: During all of this, I had a quote mental crisis

980
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: and ended up in the hospital for a few days.

981
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: It was very private, very embarrassing. When I got home,

982
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: Mom A came over to my house and told me

983
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: that the day I went into the hospital, Mom B

984
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: came straight to her house after her shift and told

985
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 2: her all my private info and exactly why I was

986
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: in the hospital facts. No one except my husband and

987
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 2: the hospital staff knew. I was mortified and hurt. I

988
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 2: immediately reported her to the hospital. They did their own investigation.

989
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: They found that Mom B had accessed my info repeatedly

990
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 2: during my stay, and she had nothing to do with

991
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 2: my care while I was there. They also chose to

992
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 2: do nothing to her. I suspect that's because she was

993
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: very close to a few doctors who worked there. This

994
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: happened a few years ago, and I still refused to

995
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: go to that hospital or have my kids be seen there.

996
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: So my advice to you would be to report her.

997
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: If she's a nurse, I would report her to the

998
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: board and try to go like backdoor it from the hospital.

999
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: We know from our friend Amy Lochran at the hospital.

1000
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 1: Remember like all of the crazy stuff that was going

1001
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: on with her case, that the hospital was doing the

1002
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: investigations and finding things out and like keeping it hush hush. Yeah,

1003
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 1: it's a massive pr crazy. You kind of have to

1004
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: like there has to be you know, at least for us.

1005
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: So we have associations that like, you know, license or

1006
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: certify us. There has to be some association that you

1007
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: can go to that's above what's happening in the hospital

1008
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: there and report it. And I don't know if you

1009
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: have like the actual report that they did the investigation

1010
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: they did, because I don't see how they couldn't fire her.

1011
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: I mean I would go to NBC ten News and

1012
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: like you got to get you got to get somebody

1013
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: on that, because that that is like such a it's

1014
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: such a like that person should never be able to

1015
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 1: work in medicine. It's just such a break of trust

1016
00:54:51,880 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: and completely unethical and immature and losory and just petty.

1017
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 2: It just it.

1018
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: Breaks all And if she's doing that, she's doing other

1019
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: terrible shit too, Like it wasn't just to you.

1020
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: And the fact that they acknowledged that she repeatedly accessed

1021
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 2: your information despite not even being on your care team

1022
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 2: and then went on to share it with somebody else

1023
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 2: and did nothing about it is completely unacceptable. I don't

1024
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: blame you for not wanting to go to that hospital

1025
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 2: at all, because clearly they're not handling things right behind

1026
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 2: the scenes.

1027
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't. I mean, I don't blame that either,

1028
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't just like let this happen like this,

1029
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: This would be this would be my mission to make

1030
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: sure that she no longer does this ever again, Like,

1031
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: just find other avenues and report her to everyone, go

1032
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: on the news and name them, so let everybody. That's

1033
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: what that's what I'm thinking. You probably could just make

1034
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 1: a TikTok video and make it go viral at this point,

1035
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 1: like name everyone, name her. Yeah, I don't know. I'm

1036
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 1: not above being petty in that way. Done you right exactly?

1037
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: Because that's it's just it's absolutely not cool. Like and

1038
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying. You know, sometimes people have

1039
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: to go to the hospital because they're having a mental

1040
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 1: issue that they feel like they can't handle themselves, and

1041
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: shit like this is why people are scared to go

1042
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: because they don't want people to find out. And that's like,

1043
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: it's just completely unethical and it just it's just so

1044
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: wrong and she really needs to deserve to be punished

1045
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: for it.

1046
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and as like chronic oversharers ourselves, Like I don't

1047
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 2: I have no problem telling people information about myself on

1048
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: my time. If something happens to me that I don't

1049
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: want people knowing about I don't want somebody sharing it

1050
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: without my knowledge or when I'm not ready to come

1051
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: out with it, or if I don't ever want it

1052
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: to come out.

1053
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: It's nobody's business. Yeah, and it also affects your children

1054
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: and everything else. Like no, that's it's just not cool.

1055
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 2: I would say, I agree with you. Be petty, go

1056
00:56:58,760 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 2: to the news.

1057
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: Bike a tick or go to like the higher.

1058
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: Up organizations, even though I'm sure there's I'm sure if

1059
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 2: she goes to like a board or something, they'll be like,

1060
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: if not, you have limitations? Is up or whatever? Bullshit?

1061
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 2: If this was a couple of years ago, do something

1062
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: about it, because this lady should not be working with

1063
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: other patients.

1064
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: And I'm sorry they had to go through that.

1065
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: All right, guys, we have our live show, our last

1066
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 2: for a while due to the Bay Bay coming up

1067
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 2: this weekend. So Friday night you have your lecture in

1068
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 2: a little cocktail hour, and then Saturday we have the

1069
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: lectures with Scott Duffy, Joe Jacqueline and then the Mother

1070
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: Knows Death live show, So you guys are not gonna

1071
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: want to miss this. We have outrageous stories as always.

1072
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,959
Speaker 1: Yes, we have some good ones picked out already and more.

1073
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: That's the best part of this job is that there's

1074
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: bound to be a lot of stuff happening between now

1075
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: and Saturday or when we're doing our live show, right,

1076
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: so anything could happen. We don't know. Nancy Gothrie might

1077
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: be solved, you know, they might find Jimmy Hoffa's body,

1078
00:57:58,800 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: all of it.

1079
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, so there's still a couple of tickets left,

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