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Speaker 1: Welcome back. I am Dale Lally. He is Matt Williams

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Speaker 1: Live on the Drive. How about that Live on the Drive.

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Speaker 1: I've on the drive as the Steelers practice here next

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Speaker 1: to us at St. Vincent College, and Matt I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: uh uh in the previous segment there at the end,

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Speaker 1: um you always like to play. Uh, what if I

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Speaker 1: put these guys out together, these guys out together right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, get mad scientists right right right with the packages.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this because Tim Ben's uh me. I was

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Speaker 1: on with him last night on a on a late show,

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Speaker 1: and he was texting me yesterday. So now I have

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Speaker 1: a hunch where you might be going with this. He's

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Speaker 1: talking about some some you know, they need you know,

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Speaker 1: more twelve more, twelve personal I think he said they

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Speaker 1: played twelve personnel sixteen percent of the time. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: pull up my my, uh tim Ben's history here, he said, uh.

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Speaker 1: He went to chart football and he said the Steelers

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Speaker 1: ran out of twelve personnel only sixteen percent of the time.

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Speaker 1: He said, I remember that look right to you, and

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Speaker 1: I said, yeah, it does. But he was wondering that

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Speaker 1: because he looked at the snap counts for Zach Gentry

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Speaker 1: and Farrenmouth, and they were actually pretty close, and so

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Speaker 1: I think they're closer than people think. Like Gentry was

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Speaker 1: just a little over four hundred some snaps and and

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Speaker 1: Farrenmouth was just over five hundred snaps. Did farmouth playoff games?

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Speaker 1: He missed a game I thought missed one. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: I know the last playoff game Gentry out snapped him too,

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't in this equation, right. But you know

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Speaker 1: that's because so often last year when they were going

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Speaker 1: to run the football right, it was Gentry. Gentry was

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Speaker 1: in the game. Gentry is gonna help the old line.

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Speaker 1: They were in eleven personnel and they were gonna that

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Speaker 1: that's their main you know. The only two teams that

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Speaker 1: ran more eleven than them were Cincinnati and MS, two

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Speaker 1: teams that were in the Super Bowl. So I doesn't

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Speaker 1: leave much that's I don't know if that's necessarily a

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Speaker 1: bad thing if the two teams that were in the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl were doing it, But if you look at

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Speaker 1: the personnel, that's you know, he asked me about and

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Speaker 1: I said, well, you want to put your best personnel

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Speaker 1: on the field. So if I'm going to ask Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson to put on his offensive coordinator had who are

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Speaker 1: their best personnel? In your eyes, that which one gives

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Speaker 1: opposing defensive coordinators the most fits real quick though, I

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Speaker 1: mean just getting in Tim's head, and we've both done

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Speaker 1: a lot of radio with Benzi. Get near his head,

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I bet he's sitting there thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember Friar Muth and Gentry having that closest

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Speaker 1: snap count. You'd think Friar mu nap he's the better player.

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Speaker 1: But if there's only a high percentage of eleven and

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Speaker 1: there's only what you say, six of twelve or eighteen

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Speaker 1: percent of twelve, and we know we know what hardly

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Speaker 1: played at all, it doesn't leave a lot of other options.

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Speaker 1: Because they didn't run thirteen with three tight ends. There

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Speaker 1: were some definitely four receiver sets though too um not

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Speaker 1: to kill your drill, because I think defense is more

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Speaker 1: fun actually for this team, we could do that after this,

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty clear that their best five. Well,

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Speaker 1: the difference between defense and offense is there's only five

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Speaker 1: variables really as opposed to eleven. Not the t J

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Speaker 1: water cam's leaving the field, but I really think it's

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Speaker 1: Pickings and Deonte on the outside Claypool on the slot.

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Speaker 1: Friar Muth is an every down tight end, sometimes detached,

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Speaker 1: sometimes in line, and nausea is your back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would love to see one of the receivers, and

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Speaker 1: there's several options, including the draft, pick Miller, you know,

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Speaker 1: all those dudes, and I think Gentry deserves snaps, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's a gap after their top five. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's given Pickens a little too much credit already, but

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Speaker 1: I just think that I'd rather play against Gentry than Pickens.

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of what I told Tim. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know, any time that you're taking you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can do more twelve personnel, but then you know,

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Speaker 1: take one of those receivers off the field and that's

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Speaker 1: a win for the defense, to win for the defense. Um,

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Speaker 1: maybe I feel like I'm anointing Claypool as the slot,

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Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it and we don't know. The

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Speaker 1: plan is is more just to you know, when they

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Speaker 1: Claypool gets the most snaps there, but sometimes it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be Johnson. Maybe sometimes it's gonna be Pickens. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that they When I asked Deante about that, you know,

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Speaker 1: the earliest week, he said, look, we there's no offense

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Speaker 1: to the to the group that we had last year.

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Speaker 1: But I think we're more diverse this year. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: field and you're the you're the defensive coordinator sitting up

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Speaker 1: in the booth. You're watching this. Okay, they're gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: You know this, this is what they this is the

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Speaker 1: personnel they've got on the field. We've got this narrow

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Speaker 1: down now with this group. When they're in the huddle

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Speaker 1: and you see Pickens and you see you know, frar

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Speaker 1: And that's point because Claypole certainly can do Yeoman's work

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Speaker 1: outside as well. It's a good way looking at it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure that was part of their thought process

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Speaker 1: this offseason is let's not pigeonhole where we're gonna line up,

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Speaker 1: and boy, it's showing out here in the last two

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Speaker 1: practices too. I mean nazis out wide more Nauzy might

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Speaker 1: be in the slot once in a while, I removed

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Speaker 1: might be in this slot once in a while. I

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Speaker 1: don't know Gentry will be. But you know, um Miller

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Speaker 1: all those options, and I think Austin somebody, just if

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Speaker 1: go routs, um, you know, or whatever, right, and some defenses,

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Speaker 1: you know, you look at and say, but Mike Hilton's

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Speaker 1: gonna line up in the slot every snap. I know

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Speaker 1: that if we're in there, and if we can force

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Speaker 1: them into nickel, and then this matchup, I want to

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Speaker 1: get Claypool on Hilton, you know. I mean, I want

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Speaker 1: Jump comes Mr Pickens running at us. Now there we go.

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Speaker 1: So he's uh, he's he has a buzz here. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm putting him on the fields, digging and zagging

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Speaker 1: his way through to He's a big dude. He's a

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Speaker 1: big dude, and he's a little shiftier that shift he's

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Speaker 1: got loose hips and yeah, I always think of him

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Speaker 1: as more of outside the numbers only I mean that's

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best receivers in the league.

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Speaker 1: Not like, oh, he's a pretty good player. I mean

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Speaker 1: I really think he's a chance one of the best

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Speaker 1: will say though, if by chance, you know, they're looking

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Speaker 1: slot situation doesn't exactly go as planned, we might see

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Speaker 1: more twelve personnel. I mean, Gentry is useful, he's legitimate,

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Speaker 1: and like last year, at this time, we would not

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Speaker 1: have said that, you know, he was closer to not

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Speaker 1: making the team as to be in the Yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: like they find so when he replaces Gentry, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think he's done a nice job of of re

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Speaker 1: sculpting his money and and and you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: reinventing himself as a blocking tight end. That was certainly

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Speaker 1: I mean, he went to college as a quarterback Michigan

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Speaker 1: Giant quarterback obviously, and as you know, so did Heath Miller.

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Speaker 1: Heath Miller made that transition as well. That's not uncommon, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they understand what the quarterbacks looking at, how to

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Speaker 1: sit down in zones, read coverage on the fly, similar

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Speaker 1: body type. But they weren't block a whole lot of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Well do any blocking, I mean, obviously is your former profession. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting thinking though, like, if I'm playing the Browns,

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Speaker 1: Gentry is gonna play a lot of snaps and he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be on Myles Garrett's side. Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean just the same way what gets treated or I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I'm playing the Steelers, I would put Gentry on

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Speaker 1: what side a lot and he might even out snap

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Speaker 1: Friar move that game. You know, an elite edge rusher

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Speaker 1: changes the opinion a little bit. But then you can

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Speaker 1: make Friarmo with your slot in a lot of situations.

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Speaker 1: That's the beauty of him. I mean, he runs well

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Speaker 1: be you know, that big of a deal. Um, And

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Speaker 1: we talked with this a lot. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: a big reason people's script plays, is I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't even I don't want the schedule in front

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Speaker 1: of you. But week five, you tried out there on

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Speaker 1: first and ten and twelve personnel and you get base.

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Speaker 1: You know that someone plays their base four three or

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Speaker 1: three four, Well you might detach firemooth like crazy. Then Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if they're gonna play Nickel, when we're gonna line them

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Speaker 1: behind Gentry in a you know, a big formation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bengals and Mike. You know Mike Hilton's are slot and

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Speaker 1: you know he's a great player, but I'm still gonna

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Speaker 1: want to match up on the six ft five tight

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Speaker 1: pickings Like you said, is he gonna press press pickings

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Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage you from a slop position

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Speaker 1: or you know, or even down in the in the

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Speaker 1: red zone and picking the might just post him right

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Speaker 1: now if if the opposing team has a safety that

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Speaker 1: which I've flipping things over. Is why I might think

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Speaker 1: we might see more of Minca in the slot here

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Speaker 1: and there. I always think about the Ravens like I

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Speaker 1: want him on Andrew's every snap and make him go

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Speaker 1: anywhere but him, you know what I mean. I think

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Speaker 1: it's certainly interesting. And I know they've also once again

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Speaker 1: gone with a little two back offense here as well,

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Speaker 1: with Najia Harris, and whether it be Anthony McFarland, whether

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Speaker 1: it be uh uh the new kid that they signed McNichols,

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Speaker 1: m um. So, I don't think this team fits that

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Speaker 1: and it rarely works because only one of them can

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Speaker 1: carry the ball. But I look at like the Packers

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Speaker 1: and think they just traded Davante Adams. They're tight ends

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Speaker 1: are okay, they're looking for receivers besides Aaron Rodger of

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Speaker 1: their skill guys. Clearly Dylan and Aaron Jones are their

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Speaker 1: most talented players. And if the Steelers had Aaron Jones

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Speaker 1: think any of the dudes we're talking about have proven

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Speaker 1: to deserve snaps over even Anthony Miller. Let alone, Gentry

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Speaker 1: Lets you know what I mean? You know, are you

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Speaker 1: doing the defensive favor that guy thought putting Ray Ray

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Speaker 1: that conversation. But they're not there right now, not there now,

424
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Speaker 1: and you hope one of them emerges, or McFarland or

425
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Speaker 1: you know whoever, or somebody's only on a team I

426
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Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but defensively, so let me throw

427
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Speaker 1: this at you because I keep referencing this hit I

428
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Speaker 1: just did with Stan savereign. He I guess he's been

429
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Speaker 1: asking his listeners, you know, who's the I forget how

430
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Speaker 1: he phrased it, who's the most important new stealer? And uh,

431
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Speaker 1: of all the new players this year, which one outside

432
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Speaker 1: of quarterback must perform their best? And he prefaced it

433
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Speaker 1: and he said, Matt, I think it's James Daniels. And

434
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Speaker 1: I said, I think that's great, but I'm pretty confident

435
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Speaker 1: that he'll perform well. And and I countered with what

436
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Speaker 1: about Mason Cole, you know, offensive lines of worrisome spot um,

437
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Speaker 1: if he performs his best is how he phrased it.

438
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: They've been pretty good shape on the old line. If Himan,

439
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: if he's a pretty good center. What about Larry Ogen

440
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Speaker 1: Job And he said, okay, Job, he's been getting a

441
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Speaker 1: lot of votes. And I said, they're all good calls.

442
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm going mouth jack though, And here's why.

443
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Speaker 1: And it goes to your conversation. Is we talked about

444
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Speaker 1: this yesterday the day before. I like their defensive backfield.

445
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Speaker 1: I see one star in their defensive backfield, and that's

446
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 1: make of course, but I see a lot of depth.

447
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if Norwood, who I've am fond of is

448
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Speaker 1: their eighth best defensive back or whatever. And this is

449
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Speaker 1: really a Kzy comment is if they go six deep

450
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Speaker 1: with Witherspoon, wall Is, Sutton Kzy and the two starting

451
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: safeties Edmunds and Fitzpatrick, my hunches they play more dime

452
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Speaker 1: this year. That's what I'm thinking as well, which then

453
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 1: means Miles Jack was my answer as a stands question,

454
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: because bushes off the field. You got a four man front,

455
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: one true linebacker and six defensive backs. So in order

456
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: to pull that off, that one linebacker better be pretty

457
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: darn good assignment, sound, good communicator, able to play the run,

458
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Speaker 1: but also you know cover as well. So I went

459
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Speaker 1: with Jack and I think he's an upgrade over Shobert.

460
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Speaker 1: I think you know that package. I also threw out

461
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: there's also good insurance if Bush doesn't step up, that

462
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: they haven't had a high end linebacker for a little

463
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Speaker 1: while now. Yeah, I mean, I think he can be

464
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Speaker 1: that guy. And again, I don't look at what he

465
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Speaker 1: did last year, don't you. I don't look at what

466
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Speaker 1: anybody did last year in Jackson and trying to judge

467
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: we all think Trevor Lawrence thinks now all of a sudden,

468
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Speaker 1: you know. So I mean that was a dismal, dysfunctional situation,

469
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Speaker 1: completely dysfunctional, Yeah, I think. And the interesting thing is,

470
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Speaker 1: you know, I think it's it can be three safeties

471
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Speaker 1: and three corners on the field, yeah, right right, and

472
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Speaker 1: three of them might there might be among your best eleven.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I was going with that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I really think and if I'm talking on both sides

475
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Speaker 1: of my mouth though, but I like their d line

476
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Speaker 1: room too, you know, six or seven of those guys

477
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Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, it would it be terrible

478
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Speaker 1: for a Lulu to be on the bench with Cam

479
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Speaker 1: Hayward next to Lee out, you know, or and high

480
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: Smith and Watt is your edges, you know. I mean

481
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Speaker 1: I think there's a few constants that I think of

482
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Speaker 1: those eleven, you know, like the eleven offensive, there's really

483
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Speaker 1: only five to talk about, and if Harris never leaves

484
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Speaker 1: the field, there's only four, and Jante never field is three.

485
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: You know, like pretty soon they can dry up. But

486
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Speaker 1: I think Whatton Smith they're always gonna be your edge players.

487
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 1: Maybe there's a goal line package where Leale lines up

488
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Speaker 1: out there, you know, and I could see that if

489
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Speaker 1: you're really beefy um. I think Jack's always gonna be

490
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Speaker 1: pretty much on the second level. Minka is always going

491
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Speaker 1: to be on the field, a couple of d backs,

492
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Speaker 1: you can count on. Cam is gonna be factoring in

493
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Speaker 1: there somewhere. But there's a lot of other options on

494
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Speaker 1: this side of the ball. Yeah, and it depends, you know,

495
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Speaker 1: it can be very dependent upon who you're playing, Rate

496
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Speaker 1: or Ravens Verse Bengals is as strong example as anyone

497
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Speaker 1: could site in any divisions Brown Brown, right, especially for

498
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 1: sets in the game, you know, right, So I like

499
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Speaker 1: their versatility on that side of the ball in terms

500
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Speaker 1: of personnel packages, in terms of rotating I always said this,

501
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Speaker 1: you know, like when I was a pit acron, I

502
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Speaker 1: was always so jealous of the Bamas of the world

503
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Speaker 1: that had hockey lines on the d line, you know,

504
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Speaker 1: I like, that is the unbelievable to me that separates

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 1: the few elite college programs, and they're not much off,

506
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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, one's a year younger, but he

507
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Speaker 1: gave me a first round pick two. You know, he's

508
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Speaker 1: just learning, so he's the backup. He has to wait

509
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Speaker 1: for bar Moore to move on or whatever, or you know,

510
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Speaker 1: Quentin Williams to move on or will Anderson gets stuck

511
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Speaker 1: behind some stud and then he's the best player in

512
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Speaker 1: the country, you know. And that all comes on recruiting,

513
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: of course. But and I'm not saying the Steelers D

514
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Speaker 1: lines Bama's D line. But if you can keep Cam

515
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Speaker 1: fresh and play seventy five percent of snaps and a

516
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Speaker 1: Lulu plays thirty and Ogan Joebi plays seventy and Leal

517
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Speaker 1: plays fifteen and louder Milk plays twenty, and I'm not

518
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Speaker 1: sure if they all add up. You know, I'm just saying, like,

519
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Speaker 1: if I think freshness and bringing guys off the bench

520
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 1: in that defensive front is really enticing this year, let's

521
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Speaker 1: you know, much like everything Davis Brothers involved. Then you

522
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Speaker 1: just cut Chris warmly or treating like no, no, he

523
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Speaker 1: got seven sacks last year. There's value there. I mean,

524
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Speaker 1: I think he's probably the least flashy and least exciting

525
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Speaker 1: of that group because some of them are young and

526
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Speaker 1: you're you're excited. Yeah, I mean it's worst. I think

527
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Speaker 1: he's an inning eater. I mean, he's a He's that

528
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Speaker 1: veteran starting pitcher with a four and a half. The

529
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Speaker 1: r A they're gonna go out there and embarrass you. Right,

530
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Speaker 1: it gets a lot of millions every year, and right,

531
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Speaker 1: you know it's not your best starter. But he goes

532
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Speaker 1: out there and gives you a meaningful snaps. Doesn't happen,

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Speaker 1: you know? Is offensive lines don't that's they're on the

534
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Speaker 1: field sixties seventy snaps, right, Or if you're rolling constantly

535
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Speaker 1: rolling defensive lineman out there at them, this defensive lineman

536
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Speaker 1: are fresh. The offensive lineman you know in the fourth

537
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Speaker 1: quarter has already played fifty plus snaps. You know, if

538
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Speaker 1: Cam Heywards only played thirty, well that's a big deal,

539
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Speaker 1: you know exactly. I want Cam to play less because

540
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: he'll be even better, you know, and I think that

541
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Speaker 1: you won't have as big a drop off as he

542
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Speaker 1: used to. And even situationally, I mean, I think the

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Speaker 1: leal draft pick is extremely fascinating and he maybe there

544
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Speaker 1: might be games he doesn't play at all, but there

545
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Speaker 1: might be some he plays the snaps just because the

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Speaker 1: guy in front of him is a good matchup for him.

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Speaker 1: Or Joel Atonio is a great arc, okay, but if

548
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Speaker 1: he has to block over the course of a sixty

549
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: five snap game, he's got to block Lulu, Cam, Louder

550
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 1: Milk and Leo and warmly one of them is going

551
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: to have something he doesn't like, you know what I mean,

552
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I mean need to be John Hannah,

553
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: I thot, I mean one of them is going to

554
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 1: be his least favorite matchup Cam of course, but the others,

555
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: maybe the others are the better example, those other four

556
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: and you're like, well, Leo starting to beat him with

557
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: his swim move, is moved, whatever it is. We start

558
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: to get a little tired, and he gets a little tired,

559
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: and a little bit of you know something gets exposed,

560
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: and it's a heck of a lot, I mean, a

561
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: great picture. There's probably someone in the lineup he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like facing, you know what I mean, whether it's a

563
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: great pitter or not, there's somebody that gives him a

564
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: little more trouble than he should. I think with Minka

565
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: out right now dealing with that wrist injury, um, they

566
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Speaker 1: get a chance to take a good long look at

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Speaker 1: Kzy at free safety and he doesn't have to be Minca.

568
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: But if he can just be trustworthy so that I

569
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: can sneak make a down to guard, I can play

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00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: all three of those guys at the same time, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, MinC is my slot corner. At times.

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Speaker 1: It's just like your conversation last segment about Yeah, it's

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00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: great that the you know that we you have good

574
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Speaker 1: offensive players. But if I know where they're gonna line

575
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: up every snap, it's a little easier to game plan

576
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 1: for them. And Minca is the best free safety in

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Speaker 1: the league. But if he if there's ten snaps a game,

578
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Speaker 1: or he doesn't line up in the deep middle, this

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Speaker 1: is one more wrinkles conversation. Yeah right right, where is

580
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: he going to be at on this play? Yeah? Right,

581
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: right right? And that was the great, That was the great.

582
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: They could line up with everybody else in the same

583
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: spots in those days. But forty three is we got

584
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Speaker 1: find when Carson Palmer walks up to the line of scrimmage,

585
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna find forty throw k he's over here. But

586
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: then when the ball snapped, he might be over there.

587
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,239
Speaker 1: And what's that mean for the the opposite weak side linebacker. Well,

588
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: he has a different responsibility of troys here, and you know,

589
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: on and on, I'm gonna wasting this, you know from

590
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: this guy. Okay, Well, the play was meant to go

591
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: in that direction. Now I gotta check out of that

592
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: play into something else. That play wasn't quite what we

593
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: wanted here. You know, there's there's all kinds of things

594
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: that you can do. They're just to cause a little

595
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: bit of havoc. It's just a hunch that I think

596
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: you'll see Minky near the line of scrimmage a little bit. Well,

597
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: they did that early last year and then they kind

598
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: of got away from it because well they were they

599
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: were struggling with some stuff and yeah, right right, And

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00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: he's a great eracer. I mean, he's a wonderful thing

601
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: on the back end to make sure guys got on

602
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: the ground and things of that nature and people, well,

603
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Minker is not having us good a year. Well, they

604
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: were asking him to do some different things. And I'll

605
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: suggesting Casey's the next Paulamalu, but having that slot safety versatility.

606
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Speaker 1: He's been a long time starter and he makes plays

607
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: and I think he's gonna be reliable, you know, if

608
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: he can make some more plays than Edmonds does, which

609
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: I expect him to do on a person. Yeah, and

610
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: um has more third level potential than Edmonds. And and

611
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: Edmondson handled that too, But it just gives if he

612
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: could be a true free once in a while. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure whenever Joe Burrow sees that he's gonna throw

614
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 1: a slant to Jamaar Chase in that neighborhood where they

615
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't have when Minka is there, but my Manka might

616
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Speaker 1: be crashing off the edge and hit him in the

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00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: face first, you know, because you didn't see a comment

618
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Speaker 1: or you know, I'm just throwing up read it right

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Speaker 1: into that into that spot. I mean, I mean he's

620
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 1: or they bracket Chase because Minka is locking down Boyd

621
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Speaker 1: or you know whoever it is, you know what I mean.

622
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: You know, there's other ramifications and consequences after that. I

623
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Speaker 1: really think that Casey signing is kind of underrated, underrated,

624
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: and they slid slid that in right after the right

625
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: after the draft and oh hey, by the way, we

626
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Speaker 1: signed the monte CAZy is like, yeah, you knew. I

627
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: knew they had been talking to him earlier in the process.

628
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Speaker 1: And I think too, you know our point with Okay,

629
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Speaker 1: maybe they were looking at a Daxton Hill in the

630
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: first round or something like that as a fallback option. Well,

631
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Speaker 1: then they didn't get the absolutely. Okay, Well, we'll take

632
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Speaker 1: Casey and as he's talent his Dax Hill, as he's

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Speaker 1: tall as Daxel. Of course not, but I have NFL

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Speaker 1: tape of them too. We're adding a varsity player to

635
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Speaker 1: the roster on the cheap. There was a year he

636
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: was with Atlanta where half the year they asked him

637
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: to be a true slot almost play after play, and

638
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: then the other half of the year, and I forget

639
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: who got hurt, and I have to go back and

640
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: look at my notes. He played deep middle, you know,

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00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean that year he played fifty percent of slot,

642
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: fifty percent of deep middle. There's just not a lot

643
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: of players in the league that can do both. The

644
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: best league either. No, but that's okay. What he's not

645
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: is a strong safety. He I don't see him as

646
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: competition from Darrell Edmonds. I don't either, but I'd be

647
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: shocked if Edmunds still plays of snaps like he did.

648
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: And that might go to there could be some situation

649
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:42,239
Speaker 1: that it's it's third and nineteen, let's get let's get

650
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: another cover guy. Maybe Norwood's out there or you know,

651
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: a fourth corner or whatever. But it's got options. I

652
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: mean Edmund snapcount has nowhere to go but down. So

653
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 1: this isn't a profound statement. And I don't think they're

654
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: down on him. I just don't know that he'll be

655
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Speaker 1: out there every snap still because there's more options. They're

656
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: just so many more, and I think the depth there

657
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: is is again, they lost one guy in the secondary,

658
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: but they added what three Wallace CAZy maybe two. Didn't

659
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: draft one right, they didn't draft one right, all right,

660
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: So you had it too, you lost one, You had

661
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: it too. And I still think Norwood's improving. Yeah, you know,

662
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: you lost one. You had it too. It's much like

663
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You lost one, but you added you

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00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: added too, so you still didn't. There's any chance too

665
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: Hayden ends up on this team. I don't think that

666
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: happens at this point because I think you has to

667
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: take leave as ego to the door somebody. I think

668
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: if they they had an injury, I think that would

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Speaker 1: be something we call him tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, if

670
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: heaven forbid, weather Spoon or Wallace good Sutton get hurt,

671
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I think you call him tomorrow. But it gets a

672
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: little crowded, and I don't he was not going to

673
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: play just to play even though he's and you can't

674
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: guarantee him a starting job. I mean, you'd love to

675
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: have him in the building, But is it an Ingram situation.

676
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: That's a bad example because one was a great stealer

677
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: and one was a bad seal. Attitude wise, where I

678
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: want to play, you know, and I've deserved that. I've

679
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: had a great I know, I know the system, I

680
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: know that that's the coaching staff, I know the guys

681
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: around me. There is value to getting even they can

682
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: sign him three days before the season starts, right, and

683
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: he could line up at left corner all day long

684
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 1: and be fine, assuming he's in shape, with which Taylor

685
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: did so like Taylor, then Taylor looks like he did

686
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: when he was a rookie, which is an impressive looking corner,

687
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: by the way, And he still looks like he's four

688
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 1: years old. It's amazing and shape and right right right.

689
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 1: Some some guys just have good genes, and I are

690
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: not among them. They sure aren't. I mean, I can't

691
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: say cite this example enough. That year of the Browns,

692
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: always talking about the Browns getting on the treadmill, and

693
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm struggling along and walking and maybe jogging, and Paul Warfield,

694
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: who's thirty years older than me. He gets on and

695
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: full sprint as he's chatting to somebody next to him.

696
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy cow. Yeah, it's a different, different animal

697
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Speaker 1: than you. Yes, we should not be in the same

698
00:33:55,280 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: building and people should never forget that. Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take another break. He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio.

701
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: Steelers finishing up their their afternoon session. The sun is

702
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: out there, getting a little bit of heat, it's little toasty,

703
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, starting to clear the field here

704
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 1: of the fans of the v I P fans. That

705
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: means they've probably got about maybe one and a half

706
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: sessions left here in practice. So we'll come back to

707
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Speaker 1: finish that off when we return here on the Drive

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Speaker 1: live from Chuck Doldfield at St. Vincent College on Steelers

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Speaker 1: Nation Radio, Black and Gold Footballs. Here, you're listening to

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Speaker 1: s n R. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson on your home of the Black and Gold,

712
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio. Just watching Calvin Austin the third take

713
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: a little uh jet sweep action there and he can

714
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: scoop man Jag is way down the sideline there now

715
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: again advantageous. I don't know that the defense is, uh,

716
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: they're not going to knock him into next week even

717
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: if they have that shot. And it's not what's gonna

718
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: happen here, but uh, and he just blows smoke up,

719
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, be all positive here. The first time I

720
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: saw him in person, I went, he's even smaller, and

721
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: I thought, I mean I knew he was little. I

722
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: saw his combine numbers and they don't lie. He's a

723
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: very little NFL player. Yes, boy, is he explosive though,

724
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean he's and he's not just straight line explosive.

725
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,720
Speaker 1: He is loose hipped and change of direction and vision

726
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: and when he opens it up, he goes man. I mean,

727
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: so he's listed at five nine and a hundred sixty

728
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Speaker 1: two pounds. Now, he said, that's a lie, he said

729
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: at he said at mini camp, he's he's closer to

730
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: a hundred seventy. He typically plays a hundred seventy. I

731
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: think he was a hundred sixty two for the combines.

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00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: Who could run faster? Well, I think the five nines

733
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Speaker 1: the thing I was questioning, we might be five eight

734
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: I think he was five oh eight oh at at

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00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the combine. I think he just made five eight. That's fine.

736
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Speaker 1: Oh no, right right, Tyreek Hill isn't the biggest guy

737
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: in the world. No, but Tyreek is bigger than him.

738
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Speaker 1: And yeah, he probably twenty pounds eager than him. Is

739
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: he faster than him? Yeah, I don't think I've ever

740
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: seen I'm talking about impads on game day that I

741
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: would never pick anyone over Tyreek, anyone, anyone, but I

742
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: bet Dion Sanders was faster. He's a name I was

743
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: thinking of. Moss was a name I was thinking of

744
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: because those longest riders don't look the same Tyreek scary

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: though what it can run. You know, he was a

746
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: four two guy when he when he came out, which

747
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: is legit. Yeah, yeah, and played that way. And he

748
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: was also big. I mean he's a lot bigger than Yeah. Yeah,

749
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: he was a safety. I mean Austin has you know,

750
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: rare speed though in rare acceleration, and uh, I wouldn't

751
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: have said this is the fastest offense the last couple

752
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: of years. It has not been. No, you know, I

753
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: mean ju Ju's out there, he's James Washing. They were

754
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: all four or five guys, and it's not slow, but

755
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: it was. Deonte is a four five ish guy, including nausea,

756
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, including Ben, including juju. I mean like they

757
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: weren't the fastest skill group out there, they got some speed. Yeah.

758
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: I think Pickens runs really well too, especially on the

759
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: field ball. I think he was like four or four

760
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: seven coming off the knee injury. That's the thing about

761
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: him now. Right now, he's a year removed from a

762
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: knee injury, and he zigzaggered his way through defenses and

763
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: stuff like you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know. I wonder

764
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: what his forty was as a true freshman and all

765
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: that stuff too. And you know that's why he plays now.

766
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: And that's that's to me, that that's what you're really getting.

767
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're getting a first round player. Yeah, I

768
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: think you are. It's it's kind of the Steff onto

769
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: It situation right right right. You bought the discount because

770
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: everyone wasn't quite sure at a really deep position, so

771
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: a lot of ties were probably broken. And the other guys,

772
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: the guy we'll take, the healthy guys know more about him,

773
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and I don't want to get fired because this guy

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00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: is nothealthy, you know, right, maybe a little more job

775
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: security falls you you take them. Boy, if he actually

776
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: does work out like a first round draft pick, I

777
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: think he is. I think that's the way I view him. Yeah.

778
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: Um that that's a game change, because that's what the

779
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Steelers got in that two thousand and fourteen draft. They

780
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: took SHA's ear and then they took two it in

781
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: the second round. It's like almost like having right right right,

782
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: And this year they might not get a thing out

783
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: of their first round pick. That's very possible, and in

784
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: a way, that's what you want. So if you get

785
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 1: a first rounder first round talent in the second round,

786
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: that helps you know your your other first down the

787
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: line or Trabinsky, I don't. The Pickens pick is real

788
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: high on my list. Those the two receivers are my

789
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: favorite picks they made. And there were some buzz on Leal,

790
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: especially early in the process, that he was a potential

791
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: first yeah all the way too early mock draft. He

792
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: was like a top ten pick. Yeah, A stuff from

793
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: from two years ago when they were coming we're coming

794
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: out of the draft. Pickens in the hour, we're both

795
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: first round guys. Yeah, And in every draft and even

796
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: when the draft, the draft process start, did Leo was

797
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 1: still considered a potential first round pick. Yeah, there was

798
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: some stuff that had him as the number one defensive

799
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: tackle and then things kind of change. He didn't run

800
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: as well as the other guys, and bad year. I mean,

801
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: I've even made it sound like, wow, he really fell off.

802
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: I think he's a true tweener, And tweener used to

803
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: be a terrible word. Now it's a yeah position with football,

804
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: it's a good word. But in his case, where does

805
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: he line up? I mean, you have to have a

806
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: home first, and I don't know where his home is

807
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: exactly for most teams. No, I don't know either, but

808
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,839
Speaker 1: I think you figure that out. And again, it's much

809
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: when you're taking him in the third round, that's a

810
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 1: much different conversation, much different conversation if he's a sub

811
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Speaker 1: package only guy, or we'll figure it out once he

812
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: gets here type of situation. Right, they had room for

813
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: another defense, the defensive lineman, and we'll take a talent.

814
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: He becomes a four or five snap a game guy.

815
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: It's a third round guy. That's fine. He's a first

816
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: round guy. Probably not so much. But his coach says,

817
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: I mean, when in doubt I'll take a pedigree guy.

818
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: It seems to be what they what they've been living

819
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: on here their second and third round pick and more

820
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: Pettitte in the first round pick in a way I

821
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: mean the college career wise. I mean talking about the

822
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: guy who's the third third, like right, yeah, I mean

823
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: he's a one year I mean people didn't know pick.

824
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: It was three years ago. They knew these guys, I

825
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: mean people in Pittsburgh did, but necessarily the list wasn't

826
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: on the the NFL radar like he was after last year.

827
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: And there was Joe Burrow, right, neither was Kyler Murray

828
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: for that man Baker. A lot of these first overall

829
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: picks lately have not been Whens go off, you know. Yeah,

830
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: so it's it does change. That's why you know when

831
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: you look at those uh you know, the early drafts

832
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Yeah, that's that's a good place

833
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: to start. But don't stop there, No, right, and everyone

834
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Speaker 1: talking about, well, next year's quarterback draft much better. It's

835
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: sure looks that way. I mean I've bet a quarters

836
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Speaker 1: here in July. I mean I'll bet my bottom dollar

837
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: a quarterback has picked before twenty next year. But you

838
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: probably multi Yeah, probably yeah, but you can't count on that.

839
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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at I'm sure Kevin and those

840
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: guys have paid attention to future drafts at that position,

841
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: but you can't put this bank on it, like, well,

842
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Speaker 1: next year is better, We'll get our guy then Spencer Rattler. Yeah,

843
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean there's thirty two of them and you're

844
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: still gonna get one. The kid that the kids is

845
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: a pit this year the transfers, yeah, he was guy,

846
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler and Slovis and two years ago we're like,

847
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: these are these guys will be the top two draft

848
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: picks when they come out. Nope, neither one of them

849
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: even at the same college. And maybe they redeem their

850
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: careers and they get back into it. Who knows. Well,

851
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: that's the other thing about this. And you worked in

852
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: the college game. I wanted to ask you this, like

853
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: this transfer portal stuff, I don't understand it very well

854
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: and it makes me feel old, and I frankly just

855
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: hate it because I mean, because I looked at it

856
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: through I recruited his kid. He read shirts. You know,

857
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: you have this big long term five year plan for

858
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: him or even a four year plan. You invested so

859
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,760
Speaker 1: much and then he gets a little glory after finally

860
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: seeing the field and he says, I'm out of here.

861
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: Especially for me, it's the quarterback position. Like the guys

862
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: if they're not starting within two years, they're transferring somewhere else.

863
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: And I went through that Flacco situation, and I get

864
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: that to go down the level, But do I want

865
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: a guy who doesn't want to fight right right right?

866
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: Like you just give up after you like they've they've

867
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: decided they're gonna go with this guy. I'm gonna transfer that.

868
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: That's just that's just you don't want to you don't

869
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: want to come back, you know something happy he struggles

870
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,360
Speaker 1: a couple of games and all of a sudden, they

871
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: go to you. And because we've seen that happen, so

872
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: I think that's how Mason Rudolph broke into the lineup

873
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 1: or you know, I mean, I mean was kind of

874
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: a star at that point in the National Championship game.

875
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, it does happen. Yeah, t I would

876
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: have went to Middle Tennessee State. He would have been

877
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 1: the fifth pick in the draft or third pick in

878
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: the draft or whatever he was, you know, Yeah, And

879
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: I get it. There's there's against some athletic arrogance. There.

880
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: I I've been using that word a lot this week,

881
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: athletic arrogance. But it always comes into play that these

882
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: guys think they're the best, and okay, they's not gonna

883
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: work out from me here. I go somewhere else, somebody else,

884
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 1: somebody else will let me. And I do have a

885
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: little I do understand their side of things too, is

886
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be locked in here and have no freedom whatsoever.

887
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: This is a free country. I should be a little

888
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: tussle here. First one of the year, I think, right,

889
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: Mason Cole got into something yesterday. This is this is

890
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: stretching out at somebody's jumping over the pile to trying

891
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: to clock someone in the head. What we got going here?

892
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: And a whole bunch offensive lineman. I think one of

893
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: the defensive lineman got knocked down or one of the

894
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: linebackers got knocked down, and somebody did not appreciate that.

895
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: It wasn't thrilled with that situation. But if you're the

896
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, you're trying to establish something here. I was.

897
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: I thought this was the first, you know, scuffle of

898
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: the year. And then and then you said, Mason Cole

899
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: got into it, I thought, and back of my head

900
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: and good, well that's what yeah, right. I know Chris Halicki,

901
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: who works with us A d K. Pittmon went over

902
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: and talk to Cole about that yesterday after the after

903
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: the practice because I guess there was there was an

904
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: interception and he thought the defense was celebrating it just

905
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: a little bit too much. Good, So he over and

906
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of him a little let him know about. Yeah,

907
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: he's kind of pushing and shoving about it, and he said, Hey,

908
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: stuff's gonna happen out here. Temper is gonna flare out.

909
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: It's just not a big deal. But you know were

910
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: we got some pride here too. We're trying to We're

911
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: standing up from my guys. I mean, I'm not saying

912
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: it's a prison situation where you should go find the

913
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: toughest guy and try to beat up Cam Heyward and

914
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: get in week one. That brings me who essentially, yeah,

915
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: fought every offensive alignment on this team as a rookie.

916
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: Cam's now the elder statesman on this team. He's do

917
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you forget that version of Cam, right, that young puppy

918
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: version of Cam running around out here fighting everybody in

919
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: sight and that was a pretty good line in front

920
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: of him at that point too, you know, I mean

921
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: he wasn't. He wasn't the first pick in the draft,

922
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: counted on the coming and light the world on fire.

923
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: He wasn't Joe Green, you know, I mean he was

924
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: a late first. And yeah, I'd loved hearing that about Cole.

925
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: He's new. I'm not just gonna be passive and this

926
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: is a stealer way. I'll be quiet and I'll go

927
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: over and desert yourself. Yeah, I'm a I'm a tough

928
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: guy too, right, don't yeah, don't be celebrating in front

929
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: of us. So, yeah, we'll see. I don't. I don't

930
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: quite see who was in that. It was just turned

931
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Speaker 1: into a big scrum. I did see them picking one

932
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: of the looked like an outside linebacker up off the ground.

933
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Somebody was helping him up off the ground. And then

934
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 1: things got a little Yeah, let's find there real quick.

935
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Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so we'll see what. We'll get the

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Speaker 1: details on that one for you. We will as things

937
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: come out here. But we're gonna take another break. He

938
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Speaker 1: is Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lala. You're listening to

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Speaker 1: the drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. The Steelers just

940
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 1: wrapping up practice. That was the final player practice. From

941
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Speaker 1: the looks of it, um as a finish up Day three. Here.

942
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Speaker 1: The sun is now shining at Saint Vincent College. The

943
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Speaker 1: fans are all lining along the pathway up to the dorms,

944
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: are up to the locker room over there. So uh

945
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Speaker 1: I wrapped it up. That's gonna wrap up our two.

946
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Speaker 1: We'll be back with our three right after this black

947
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