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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you a little bit about John Parter.

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Speaker 2: Struggled through high school and graduated in nineteen seventy five

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Speaker 2: in Wisconsin. John had no desire to go to college,

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Speaker 2: so he worked for three years in the fast food

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Speaker 2: industry before he decided he did want to go to college.

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Speaker 2: John graduated from college in nineteen eighty two of the

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Speaker 2: degree in hotel management. Went on to have hotel management

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Speaker 2: positions in Chicago, Saint Louis, Melbourne, Florida, Milwaukee, and John

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Speaker 2: developed a very bad addiction to alcohol, went through an

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Speaker 2: alcohol treatment program in nineteen eighty eight. Has been sober

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Speaker 2: ever since. John became blind in August of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 2: To this day, there is no conclusive evidence of why

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Speaker 2: he went blind. He has agreed to be interviewed this

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Speaker 2: hour on Coast to Coast John Welcome, Thank you, Hello George.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, and the listeners of Coast

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Speaker 3: to Coast they am George. Before we get to me,

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Speaker 3: I have two quick comments, please sure. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: wish you much success this weekend at your event in

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Speaker 3: the Desert with George Napp and all the other experts.

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Speaker 3: Sounds like it's going to be a wonderful educational opportunity

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Speaker 3: and I think everybody's going to have a great time.

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Speaker 3: And then, George, I wanted to give you a happy

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Speaker 3: birthday early. Your birthday is Tuesday, June fourth, and your mother,

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Speaker 3: who just turned ninety five, is amazing and my prayer

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Speaker 3: is that you would be blessed with that same longevity

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Speaker 3: of good health. George, So enjoy your birthday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you John very much. So let's talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about you. And you have fascinated me since you

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Speaker 2: started calling the program with your wisdom, your intuitiveness, and

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Speaker 2: I got to tell you you were able to do

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Speaker 2: things that I'm not sure I would be able to do.

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Speaker 2: You're doing this without any vision. So you you were

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Speaker 2: you could see when you were born. You went blind

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 3: What do you think happened, Well, George, what happened was

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Speaker 3: in January of twenty seventeen, I purchased a business. A

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Speaker 3: little over one year later, in March of twenty eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: the business failed. Now that's not unusual, that's not unique. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: that happens to a lot of people. But here's the

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Speaker 3: huge mistake I made. After my business failed in March

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Speaker 3: of twenty eighteen, I went into a seventeen month depression.

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Speaker 3: It was much stress, and the mistake I made was

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Speaker 3: I didn't seek any help, either medically, psychologically or otherwise,

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Speaker 3: and I was got depressed. I did get a new job,

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Speaker 3: was able to work, but I go home from work

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Speaker 3: at six or seven at night and want to go

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Speaker 3: not going to a doctor at all during those seventeen

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Speaker 3: months of stress and depression, one day I was driving

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Speaker 3: home from work and my right eye itched, just felt weird.

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Speaker 3: My hand over my good eye and I couldn't see

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Speaker 3: out of my right eye. So I got into the

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Speaker 3: doctor right away the next morning. And wonderful. By the way,

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Speaker 3: all the doctors I've seen in the Wisconsin and at

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Speaker 3: really don't know what's the matter, but there's probably only

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Speaker 3: a twenty percent chance you would lose your other eye,

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Speaker 3: so carry on. So I carry it on. Well, A

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks later, we were driving home from my

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Speaker 3: my wife is also disabled and she can't drive, and

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Speaker 3: we had no problem driving down there, but driving home

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Speaker 3: The next morning I went into the doctor again. She said, John, unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: and I mean every test, a spinal tap, MRI, brain scan,

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Speaker 3: doctor came to me and said, Jehan, you're an excellent

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Speaker 3: eventually get into the Cleveland Clinic in Cleveland, Ohio. Wonderful people,

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Speaker 3: and she basically had the same conclusion. I said, is

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Speaker 3: I came back a year later. I met with this

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Speaker 3: which is probably correct. During those seventeenth months that I

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Speaker 3: blood pressure elevated and caused optic nerve to clamp. Now,

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Speaker 3: the optic nerve runs from the brain to the eyes

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Speaker 3: and furnishes the eyes with blood. When that clamped, it

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Speaker 3: killed my eyes. But the unusual thing, George, I'll wrap

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Speaker 3: it up on this. The unusual thing is it rarely

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Speaker 3: They never had anybody there before that happened in both eyes.

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Speaker 3: That you lose both eyes from the optic nerve. So

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Speaker 3: that's what happened. And I went completely blind in August

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Speaker 3: of twenty nineteen. And here I am today, thankful to

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Speaker 2: I was going to mention the optic nerve. It sounds

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Speaker 2: like that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 3: Well, the eyes are very, very sensitive, and they're sensitive

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Speaker 3: to stress. So what I do now, George, and what

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Speaker 3: whether you have stress or depression, don't be too proud

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Speaker 2: Can you rejuvenate the optic nerve?

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Speaker 3: Not? Now? There's nothing available. Probably I'm sixty seven, George.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it will be in my lifetime,

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Speaker 3: And that's doctors told me they're just not there yet.

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Speaker 3: And I offered to, you know, be a patient that

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Speaker 3: doing I'm doing okay, George. I'm feeling good.

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Speaker 2: Are you totally blind? I mean, can you images or anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's what I can see, George. If I'm in

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Speaker 3: So I'm virtually blind, with the exception of that light flicker.

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Speaker 2: When I closed my eyes and move my hand across

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Speaker 3: And in fact, I was just my wife and I

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Speaker 3: I've got new doctors down here now, and that one

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Speaker 3: of the exercises was to wave my hand in front

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Speaker 3: see the motion and I said to the doctor, to me,

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Speaker 3: that's a great sign. And maybe one day, I say,

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Speaker 3: we'll come back. Who knows, George. But I'm just just

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Speaker 2: When you wake up in the morning, How do you

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Speaker 3: That's a great question. I guess just psychologically you do, George. Now,

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Speaker 3: When I discovered Coast to Coast AM in August, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 3: at midnight, and my body, in my mind just knows

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Speaker 3: that's what it is for me, George, and I don't

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Speaker 3: You know, for people that are blind that have to

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Speaker 2: But when you wake up, you know you're awake. It's

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Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, I know I'm awake, And it's interesting. I

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Speaker 3: then in January of this past year, I inherited my parents'

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Speaker 2: George, how do you get around? You? Do you remember things?

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Speaker 3: I have a blind cane. And fortunately the house we

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Speaker 3: forty six years. I'm familiar with the house. The toughest

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Speaker 3: than you think it probably would. But my heart leads

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Speaker 3: for the younger people that go blind or never did see.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm very fortunate, George. I had sixty two

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Speaker 2: So you know, colors, when we talk about red, you

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Speaker 3: Was exactly, you know what red was. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: remember what you know, George, Norri looked like because I

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Speaker 3: saw your picture actually before I went blind.

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Speaker 2: So the point is I was going to say that

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Speaker 2: probably made you go blind.

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Speaker 3: George. You're a very good looking man, and I told

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Speaker 2: Now do you go? Do you shower? Do you do?

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Speaker 3: And pretty self sufficient?

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Speaker 3: How do I eat well? My wife and I were

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Speaker 3: But between the two of us, George, we make it work.

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Speaker 3: I can't. I can't see anything except when my hand

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Speaker 2: I told Tom a couple of months ago. I said, Tom,

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Speaker 2: to tell you, John, I don't have your guts you

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Speaker 3: Oh, you would you would have if you went blind?

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Speaker 3: You would be self sufficient like I am, and most

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Speaker 2: If you're ever going to lose a sense, another sense,

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Speaker 3: Well, I would never want to lose my hearing, okay never,

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Speaker 2: It would be the eyesight.

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Speaker 3: Because I can do everything else, George enjoy life. I

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Speaker 3: and I'm a classic rocker. I can listen to my music.

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Speaker 2: You came out to our Pat Boon luncheon months ago.

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Speaker 3: Yes it was fabulous, And you know, whenever there's a

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Speaker 2: We're going to open up the phone line soon with

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Speaker 2: a coast listener who has battled himself back and has

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Speaker 2: done a marvelous job. And we've got open lines next

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Speaker 2: hour and you're still able to call it. Call in

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Speaker 2: on that truly remarkable John.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, George, here's how I look at it too.

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Speaker 3: So I've had some stepbacks in my life, all self induced,

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Speaker 2: My mother used to tell me that poem.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that just sums everything up. You know, everybody

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Speaker 2: She used to say, I cried because I had no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's actually probably a better way to put it,

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Speaker 3: a better way to put it. So if we remember that,

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Speaker 3: And George, trust me, if something negative happened to you,

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Speaker 3: you would do just fine.

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Speaker 1: You would.

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Speaker 3: You can't imagine it now, but you would, and others

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Speaker 2: Well. I would tap into people like you for assistance

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Speaker 2: and help, That's for sure.

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