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Speaker 2: And today we are so excited to once again be

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Speaker 2: fellow nerd, if you don't mind me saying yeah, no, yeah,

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Speaker 2: which is exciting because what you're here to talk about

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Speaker 2: has brought a topic you've mentioned before discussing and I'm

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Speaker 3: Yes, Hello, thanks for having me back, and yes, I

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Speaker 1: Surprise, surprise. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I came to y'all with this. I was like,

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Speaker 3: new Superman movie is coming out. I love Lois Lane.

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Speaker 3: She is one of my favorite DC characters. I think

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Speaker 1: So yeah, excited to chat about that.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited to learn about it. I as a kid,

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Speaker 2: I feel like you're going to really educate me on

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Speaker 3: I was I'll start with I saying like, I grew

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Speaker 3: That has been fun to I like, actually, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: And I was like there was something watching.

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Speaker 3: This movie and like walking out of it and being like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: Have you watched the old versions of Superman with Margaret Kidder?

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Speaker 4: She was one of those that was unconventionally like not

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Speaker 1: So I just wondered if you had like, absolutely no,

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Speaker 3: I think looking at this character, it's really interesting to

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Speaker 3: In order to talk about this character, we need to

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Speaker 3: about that.

441
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,480
Speaker 1: But you know they tried.

442
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 3: There was another one later on, called Superman's Girlfriend Lois Lane,

443
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 3: which ran from the late fifties through the mid seventies, which, honestly,

444
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: I was like, that's a pretty long run for a

445
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 3: comic book series. I was like, okay, yeah, like and yeah,

446
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 3: this was the pre women's lib era, still starting with

447
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: Superman's Girlfriend, but you know, I guess it's a step

448
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 3: up from Girl Reporter. Maybe there have been a couple

449
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: more runs where she was at the helmet that for

450
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: the next couple decades. Most recently, in twenty nineteen, DC

451
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Speaker 3: published a twelve issue mini series called Lois Lane, written

452
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 3: by Gregor who is one of my favorite comical writers.

453
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: I love the series. It's really great, really leans into

454
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 3: it again that like it reads very similar to a

455
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: Batman comic.

456
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Speaker 1: It is a detected story.

457
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 3: Also, it does open the first couple issues are in Chicago.

458
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: So there was a little bit of hometown bride there.

459
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: That series also features Renee Montsoya, who is another one

460
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: of my favorite underrated DC characters. If you've seen Birds

461
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: of Prey, that's the Rosie Perez character and that she's iconic.

462
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: I love her.

463
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: She also like spends half the series flirting with Lois

464
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: and I'm like, this is you know what beautiful? A

465
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 3: big theme of that story too, is like in the background,

466
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 3: there's this whole thing about.

467
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Speaker 4: How like.

468
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,399
Speaker 3: They there were like pictures leaked of her and Superman kissing,

469
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 3: and it's like the double standard of people being like, wow,

470
00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 3: he would never do that. She's a married woman, but

471
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: also she's evil curve, how dare she? And like talking

472
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: about that kind of double standard and it's a It's

473
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 3: a good series you're checking out. Would recommend it again.

474
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,959
Speaker 3: Love Greg Greca. He wrote one of my favorite uh

475
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 3: Batwoman runs. He writes a lot of really great queer stories,

476
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 3: which I also was shocked to find out that I,

477
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 3: you know, actually I don't know how I identifies I

478
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: just saw on his Wikipedia page that he is married

479
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 3: to a woman.

480
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Speaker 1: So I was shocked that he's at least like maybe

481
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Speaker 1: he's a little who's to say he could be by

482
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 1: but uh, but I was.

483
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Speaker 3: I was surprised with that because I was like, wait,

484
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: I feel like every single story I've read about you,

485
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: it's been incredibly gay.

486
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Speaker 4: Uh.

487
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Speaker 1: He also wrote the Old Guard movie. If you've seen that.

488
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: I love that movie. Oh yeah, we did a feature. Yes,

489
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: apparently the second one is out there too. I gotta

490
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: of course she is, of course, just so you know,

491
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Speaker 1: I did not know about that, but I'm obsessed. I like, see,

492
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: that's gonna be.

493
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Speaker 3: I do regularly get Uma Thurman and Charlie's Throne mixed up, though.

494
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: So that's gonna be How are you gonna do this?

495
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: Oh no, that'll be rough or amazing, one of the

496
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: two amazing, I know.

497
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: I was like, I mean, I'm not gonna complain, and

498
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 3: they're both love the two loves of my life. But uh, anyway,

499
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: So anyways, back lois for the last couple of points

500
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: of her story. But yeah, back in the nineties, going

501
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: back a little bit, she and Clark get married.

502
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: If you're familiar, it are all with the Superman comics

503
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: that I needs to There's a lot of ups and

504
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: downs there.

505
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 3: Uh. And then in twenty fifteen, she and Clark have

506
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Speaker 3: a kid named John Kent who has been around for

507
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 3: a minute now. He was Superboy for a while and

508
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 3: then most recently he has taken over the Superman mantle

509
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 3: in some comic runs. I'm gonna stop there and not

510
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: get into it is this is where we get into

511
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,879
Speaker 3: like it's comic books, there's no clear timeline territory. There

512
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,159
Speaker 3: some runs that are out right now where Clark is

513
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 3: Superman and there's some where John is Superman.

514
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: Is confusing.

515
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: We don't have to care about consistency at this point.

516
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: But yeah, but John is at this point a pretty

517
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: established character. So Lois being a mom is also a

518
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 3: pretty established part of her character, which again props to DC.

519
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 3: I think they did a good job of having this

520
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: become part of her character. You know, the Superman series

521
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: as a whole, like family is very central to that,

522
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: But it didn't really do anything to like sideline her

523
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 3: character or take away any of that kind of like

524
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 3: power that she has, which I think that I think

525
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 3: like kudos to them for that that could have easily

526
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 3: been a chance for them to sort of sideline her,

527
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 3: and they decided not to do that. And you know,

528
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: you can have a It is the thing where it's

529
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: like you can have a character that is both you

530
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 3: know very much her own has her own agency, is

531
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 3: in charge of her own destiny, is doing all this

532
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: really bad stuff, is taken down bad guys.

533
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: And she's a mom and she has a kid, and

534
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: that is part of her character too.

535
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 3: Also John Kent famously the bisexual Superman with the male

536
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 3: of interest currently, So you know, if this woke Superman

537
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: is not enough for Republicans right now, quick side note

538
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: about that, I will say too, there's obviously a lot

539
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: of coverage of this movie talking about the fact that

540
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: some people are freaking out a little bit about you know,

541
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: they made Superman woke, a character that entire thing has

542
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 3: been protecting people and making the world a better place.

543
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: Crazy.

544
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: But I do think this movie, like I will say,

545
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: I went in a little bit skeptical. I was like, oh, sure, okay,

546
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 3: it's gonna have like some leftist themes.

547
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: Short it does.

548
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 3: It does. There's there's some fair there's some like allegor

549
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: in the movie that you're like, oh, okay, yeah, wow,

550
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: this is actually I get it kind of renewed my faith,

551
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: I think in the ability of superhero movies to not

552
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: just kind of obviously with every superhero movie there's an

553
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: element of like, yes, this reflects American militaryism, American exceptionalism,

554
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 3: but also there are a lot of beautiful things that

555
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 3: you can have in these narratives. And I think this

556
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: was really pulling back from a lot of the military

557
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: heavy elements and was taking a much more humanitarian approach,

558
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: and I thought that was fun.

559
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: That is the sort of intro to Lois Lane, the

560
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: real hero of the story.

561
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: You know, look, this is the fun thing too, is

562
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: because in the story you get like there's Superman.

563
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: Superman's the main character.

564
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: Clark Kent is the alter ego people know Clark Ken

565
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: is a different character in this universe. Clark Kent is

566
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Speaker 3: Loslaine's husband, like he is just she is. That is

567
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: her boy toy and like good for her, like he's

568
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: the trophy husband. I think that's beautiful.

569
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: It's also fun too because she's she's sort of like

570
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: you said, the rival at first, but she's pitted as

571
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: like he knows she's on Oh yeah, and so he's

572
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: always trying to like and as the audience, we know it's,

573
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 2: you know, the same person she is on I think like.

574
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: Third dynamic works goes like he's intimidated by her because

575
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: she he knows that she is super smart. She can

576
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 3: figure him out. She is one of the few people

577
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 3: that can like take him down because she's that good

578
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: at what she does. I think, yeah, I'll pivot here

579
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: to like some of my favorite uh versions of her

580
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 3: and some like small kind of details about her. One

581
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 3: side note as a as a as a short girlie

582
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: I do appreciate and well, obviously she's next to Superman,

583
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 3: so she's always gonna look very short, but like a

584
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 3: win for just like short girls that don't shut up.

585
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 3: I diva love it, but.

586
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: A couple are kind of like small pigs. Voter character

587
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I got it. Multiple Pulitzer Prize winning reporter like that.

588
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: Is inconsistently about her is like she is really really

589
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 3: good at her job. She like she is.

590
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 4: You know.

591
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: I talked a bit at the beginning about how part

592
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: of me, it's like the eco part of me that

593
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: wants to be like, yeah, it's the journalist characters that

594
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: are like saving the day. But like she really like

595
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: there's a reason Clark Kent is also a journalist, like

596
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: it was written because it was like supposed to be

597
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 3: any whatever.

598
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go on my.

599
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 3: The pros and cons of the way that we talked

600
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 3: about journalists in our world today. But you know, going

601
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: back to that twenty nineteen run that I was talking

602
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: about with the lows Lane run that was We're in

603
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 3: like peak for Trump administration, it very much is like

604
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 3: inspired by that, affected by that It talks about the

605
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 3: mistrusted journalists at the time, and I think, like that

606
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 3: is something we're like, we're seeing this movie do really

607
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 3: well right now, and I think this character is like

608
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 3: having a rival, because yeah, like so much of the

609
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: marketing campaign was around the fact that like he's just

610
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: a nice guy and he wants to help people, which

611
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: is like a nice change from again years of just

612
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: superhero movies sort of being like and we are so

613
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 3: strong and bad and we can kill everybody, and we

614
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 3: have so much tree, we have so much trauma from

615
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, and we're never gonna get over that

616
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: damn trauma. And what I was talking about the beginning,

617
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: I think like specifically having her be this like the

618
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: fact that she and Clark at least like in terms

619
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: of like intellect and like motivation, they're very similar characters. Again,

620
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 3: the main difference is he has superpowers, she doesn't. She

621
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: is justice like she is also fighting for justice. She

622
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 3: is also there's a kind of a bunch of DC

623
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: storylines because CC loves to do the thing where they're

624
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: like Superman lost his powers.

625
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: Ah, and then I.

626
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 3: Don't know, I'm of the belief that it's getting old

627
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: at this point, I'm done with those storylines. But every

628
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 3: time it happens, like she kind of steps up like

629
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 3: she again, she's got them.

630
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: She has the sort of whether she wanted to or.

631
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 3: Not, raised with the ROSCT training type thing because her

632
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 3: dad was this big military dude. She's like, she's the

633
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 3: person that will run into the burning building. She'll face

634
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: down like dictators. She she's gonna fight. I was thinking

635
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: about this recently too, where I was like, what, like,

636
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: is there a version of this character that is like

637
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: gender swapped, where we have like the girl is the

638
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 3: character with it, Because you know, you could point to

639
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: characters like wonder One and like Steve Trevor kind of

640
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 3: being the like you know, non superpowered love interest.

641
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: I don't find him that interesting of a character, or like.

642
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 3: Whatever the best one I was thinking of, or I

643
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 3: was like, actually, I think this algorithm make sense. Is

644
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: like if you've seen The Boys, like literally the main

645
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: character is Huey from The Boys, who I would argue

646
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: is like maybe the closest we have to like a

647
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 3: gender swat version of that, or like his girlfriend is

648
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 3: the really like she's the one with the superpower. She's

649
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 3: the one who is like this public face, and he's

650
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: the one who's kind of, you know, not necessarily liked

651
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 3: by Also, because that's another thing about her characters. She

652
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: makes a lot of enemies because again she's this.

653
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: Hard, like.

654
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 3: Really bad, you know reporter who's like she's gonna stop

655
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 3: in nothing.

656
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 1: Love that for her.

657
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 3: There's also a couple versions where like she gets superpower again, look,

658
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 3: super Branko makes it been around for forever, so like

659
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Speaker 3: every imaginable thing that could happen happens, she gets superpowers,

660
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Speaker 3: and some she becomes Superwoman alongside Clark. Personally, I those

661
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Speaker 3: are my I prefer the Again, I really like the

662
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Speaker 3: runs where I think like she's written like this like

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Speaker 3: detective character that also has more to do with the

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Speaker 3: fact that, like, those are the characters that I like more,

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Speaker 3: I think. But yeah, she you know, she also is

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Speaker 3: Superwoman sometimes like she is just she she takes over

667
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Speaker 3: the same.

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Speaker 1: Role as Clark.

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Speaker 4: All that.

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Speaker 3: Ending on a couple just small, fun, fun facts about

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Speaker 3: the character. I'm wearing purple today and to record this,

672
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: and she is oftentimes wearing purple, which I always was

673
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Speaker 3: just like cool aesthetically, it looks beautiful. When I was

674
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Speaker 3: watching the the movie, the most recent that came out

675
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Speaker 3: with again friend of the show gar from It could

676
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Speaker 3: Happen Here, they pointed out like, oh, yeah, it's because Superman.

677
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 3: He's red and blue were his color, so it's a combination.

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Speaker 3: And I was like that that makes sense. I never

679
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Speaker 3: realized that, but yeah, so thank you shout out to

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Speaker 3: Garret for informing me of that, which I also thinks cute.

681
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 3: It's like she's again this kind of mirror of his character,

682
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Speaker 3: something that kind of going back to how things that

683
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Speaker 3: were originally written in a way that maybe was dipping

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Speaker 3: its toes into misogyny that I think has been kind

685
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Speaker 3: of revamped in a way that I don't hate. She

686
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: has sort like throughout all of the comics has never

687
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Speaker 3: been able to spell like she like that is a

688
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Speaker 3: like running joke about the fact that she's this like

689
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Speaker 3: really really successful reporter and she like kind of small.

690
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Speaker 3: There have been some interpretations where it's like, oh, like

691
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Speaker 3: maybe she's like dyslasic or something. But it's like at

692
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Speaker 3: the point where I and this is me being too

693
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Speaker 3: like projecting a little bit I as somebody who also

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Speaker 3: so cannot spell. For sure. I do have a running

695
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Speaker 3: theory that a lot of the best writers that I

696
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Speaker 3: know are terrible at spelling things correctly. So I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know what, maybe this just odds to my thing

698
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Speaker 3: that I need to remind myself so I feel better

699
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Speaker 3: about the fact that I can't spell either. But yeah,

700
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: but it's like, you know, it's a fun little thing

701
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Speaker 3: about her. I love this character, my personal favorite adaptation

702
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Speaker 3: of the character, and I really love the racial Brad's Hand.

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Speaker 1: Movie ab version. This most recent movie I think we.

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Speaker 3: Brought up before the show I told you both the

705
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 3: watch My Adventures with Superman, really good cartoon show that's

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Speaker 3: on HBO.

707
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: Max really cute.

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Speaker 3: That version of Blowislaine, by the way, also is Korean American, which.

709
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Speaker 1: Is really cool.

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Speaker 3: She's also like the way that she's portraying the show.

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Speaker 3: That was like that show really was like the thing

712
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: that got me to be like, oh wait, yeah, no,

713
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Speaker 3: I love this character. She's so funny in that she

714
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: like they make her kind of a top boy too.

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Speaker 3: She's got like a short haircut.

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Speaker 1: Like I liked it. I was like, you know what

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Speaker 1: it was? It was a cool she was she was fun.

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I grew up watching a lot of

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Speaker 3: the cartoons, so like the Superman animated series version of

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Speaker 3: her is always gonna be like my image in my head.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: The Christopherrees movies. Love that one.

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Speaker 3: I'll admit I did as a as a former c

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Speaker 3: W enjoyer slash, I still think, I I I have

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Speaker 3: a lot I love the c W. I'll be I

726
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 3: think it's like it is like that to me, It's

727
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: like this is it's keeping the spirit of camp alive.

728
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Speaker 3: But I like the Superman of lowis c W show

729
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Speaker 3: the actors who plays her in that she's phenomenal. It's

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Speaker 3: the guy from teen Wolf who plays Superman, and he

731
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: is also just like that was another version where I

732
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: think I watched it and I was like, oh yeah,

733
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: like Superman is fun when he's just like a nice

734
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Speaker 3: goofy guy.

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Speaker 4: Uh So is that the one that gets crossed over

736
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Speaker 4: into because I watched a lot of.

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Speaker 1: And I love I love across that world. You're gonna

738
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Speaker 1: gonna give me, it's gonna get me.

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Speaker 3: But it's so funny because I know if like my uh,

740
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 3: because I've just been watching some like like the Instagram

741
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 3: algorithm is like picked on. They were like, You've been

742
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: watching a bunch of stuff about like Superman lately and

743
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: it keeps showing me clips from like the CW crossover

744
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: shows and like I loved Supergirl back in there too,

745
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 3: and that that was a great show.

746
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what an era? What an era?

747
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Speaker 4: That Lois Lane. I don't know her name, hypodist, but

748
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: she was a dead ringer for Margaret Kidder to me, like, wow,

749
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Speaker 4: she is like her doubleganger and the way she acted

750
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Speaker 4: the only few things again it was in the Crossover,

751
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: but her like she was the main wise character for

752
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 4: both all three of them, because it was the Arrow. Yes,

753
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: I watched for a while the Arrow Flash and Superman

754
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: like she was trying to and Supergirl, all four of

755
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: them more there she was giving them each advice, and

756
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 4: it was all the most sane sound advice that they

757
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: had like to listen to, and I was like, okay.

758
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: Exactly, okay, this is what we go back to.

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Speaker 3: I think, honestly, like my favorite I keep saying my

760
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: favorite versions of her, which when I think she and

761
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: like Batman Bruce Wayne when they're Britten as very similar characters,

762
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: were like they're the voice of reason. Yeh, she's the strategist.

763
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Speaker 3: She know, like, she's smart, she's there's a reason she

764
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: is good at what she does. There's a reason that

765
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 3: she's the one taking down dictators, taking down these like

766
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Speaker 3: Lex Luthor type characters just as much as Clark is. Yeah,

767
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: and yeah, that's again I think that is something that

768
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Speaker 3: I think I really love about her character. I think

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Speaker 3: I want to see more. It would be nice if

770
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Speaker 3: like we could get this kind of standard for the

771
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Speaker 3: way that these like love interest characters are written, because again,

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00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a given. I think a lot

773
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Speaker 3: of times like and again, like going back to I

774
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: mentioned like Iris West is one of the characters where

775
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 3: like she's not necessarily always written as like super three dimensional.

776
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: I think like the Flash TV showed it a pretty

777
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Speaker 3: good job of.

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Speaker 1: Like making her. Yeah, I love her. Oh yeah, oh yeah, no, no, no, no,

779
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: shade to her.

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 3: I love her in the Flash TV show, like I

781
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 3: think there is I think, like to me, Lo has

782
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: kind of created this blueprint for how you can do that,

783
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 3: and I I think that's great.

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00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like that. They are all trouble makers. You're right,

785
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: They're like they're the one that like starts up a

786
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 4: little bit of chaos so we can see the potential,

787
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 4: but they get the story.

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00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 3: Again, she's the one jumping off of the building. I

789
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 3: love when somebody like made a montage of just all

790
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 3: of the like clips of her jumping off of things, and.

791
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, Diva, She's everything. I love it.

792
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 1: Well, we have loved this conversation, Joe. This is so fun.

794
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 3: And of course, yeah, anytime you know, my favorite thing

795
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 3: to talk about.

796
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 1: I have learned a lot.

797
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 2: I will now I'm like, I want to go back

798
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: and watch some things enjoy the character more too.

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Speaker 1: So thank you, thank you, thank you, of course, yeah,

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Speaker 1: both of you.

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00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: Nita watched My Adventures with Superman, by the way, and

802
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Speaker 3: let me know your thoughts because you're actually a quick

803
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 3: tangent too. Because you talked about the Uh, there has

804
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: kind of been this consistent like she's had all these

805
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: different adaptations, there been certain things that have like tied

806
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 3: the character together. She's been very assertive, very wise, like

807
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,479
Speaker 3: I think My Adventures Superman, because it's also a younger

808
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: version of the character.

809
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Has a bit of a fresh take.

810
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 3: She's still the same, like, you know, very assertive, can

811
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: I get what she wants?

812
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: Very smart, very bright character.

813
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: But like, I really liked that series specifically because I

814
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 3: think it did a good job of having a fresh

815
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: take on the character and still keeping all the things

816
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: that make her like who she is and make me

817
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 3: love her. So, yeah, that's my plug watch that show.

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Speaker 3: I think the third season is supposed to come out soonish,

819
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: so that.

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Speaker 1: Was definitely the one I was thinking of. I remember

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Speaker 1: you had mentioned the Yeah, also I did.

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Speaker 3: I brought up The Boys before Jack Quaye does voice

823
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 3: Superman in that, and I honestly.

824
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: I watched this show before I watched The Boys, So

825
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: it was very jarring then being like, wait, no, I

826
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: know your voice, but like not like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure, Oh, very different characters. Oh yeah, well,

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Speaker 2: thank you. You're welcome back anytime. We have so many

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Speaker 2: nerdy topics to cover, so many, so many. Well in

830
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Speaker 2: the meantime, where can the good listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me on Instagram slash Twitter that

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Speaker 3: You can also check out some other stuff that I

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Speaker 1: It's all about marsh P. Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Our sixth episode actually dropped today when we're recording this,

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Speaker 3: so it'll it'll be out by the time you're listening.

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Speaker 3: But you should definitely check that out, especially if you're

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844
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845
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Speaker 3: There Are No Girls on the Internet, which I work

847
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Speaker 3: on occasionally guest host. If you listen to our episode

848
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Speaker 3: from last Friday, you can hear my brief rant about

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Speaker 3: why I can't stand iron Man and I do. I

850
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 3: do partially blame the Iron Man movies for Elon Musk

851
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Speaker 3: being this prominent and the news cycle, but you know,

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Speaker 3: just a teaser.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well, listeners, please go check all of that

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Speaker 2: stuff out if you haven't already, and thank you again Joey.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait till next time, of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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