1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Crypto Daily Bloomberg I heard podcast. It's Tuesday, 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: October four. I'm a senior crypto editor for Bloomberg News. 3 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: In Today for Stacy Marine. For many of us, the 4 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: pandemic has meant getting to know what it's like to 5 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: work remotely and in most cases, from home. But in 6 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: crypto remote working had already been the norm for some time, 7 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: with many workers roaming the world all year round and 8 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: logging in from dreaming locations like the sandy beaches of 9 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: the Caribbean or the palm line prominence of Miami Beach. 10 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: When crypto prices were high, these roving crypto workers enjoyed 11 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: the benefits of being digital nomads, being from country to 12 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: country in an attempt to leave behind the stress, expense, 13 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: and bustle that's often associated with large financial centers. But 14 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: now that the crypto market isn't quite a sunny many 15 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: of these nomads have started trickling back to the financial 16 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: hubs of the world. Today. I'm joined by Bloomberg reporter 17 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: taz Aktar. It's also like communities have been built all over, 18 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: like for example, Miami, Estonia, Portugal and Panther Protocol CEO 19 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: Oliver Gail. Nothing will substitute for the human experience, So 20 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: people need to come together to hear more about the 21 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: crypto nomad lifestyle and why for the time being, he's 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: trying to give it up. Hi, Oliver Taz, thank you 23 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: for joining me. Hello, So let's start tas. You want 24 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: to tell us how you know Oliver, how you guys 25 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: met and how he ended up being in one of 26 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: our stories. Yeah, sure, so I'm at It's Ali back 27 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: in Miami in April. So we met as a crypto 28 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: dinner hosted by the car Donal founder Charles Hoskinson. Um. 29 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Back then we were actually in a bear market as well, right, well, 30 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: I don't know what crypto was trading out, but we 31 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: was like, well, into a bear market, like we are now. 32 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, so he told me about his exchange 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: called bit, which is headquartered in Barbados, and then we 34 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: kept in touch by Instagram and here we are. Yeah. 35 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: It was pretty I guess it was pretty organic. But 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: I think during that dinner we mostly talked about travel, 37 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: you know, chasing the sunsets and all. You were showing 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: me pictures of like Barbados and his lifestyle on the road. 39 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: I was talking about pizza quite a bit. So we 40 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 1: both kind of had a similar lifestyle, right, So yeah, 41 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: so tells what were your reporter? Now? What were you 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: doing in Miami? I was covering the crypto conference, So 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: a lot of my lifestyle involved like just chasing conferences 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: and just being embedded with the crypto community. Really because 45 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: you are a crypto Noma too, right for our listeners, 46 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: like they might not all this, but we have too 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: crypto two former cryptom But I'm I wouldn't say I'm 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: well into the crypti industry, like I don't hold cryptome objective, right, 49 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: So I was kind of like just getting a feel 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: of what Miami is about. That's what happens. And actually 51 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: Surrest was there as well, wasn't he the Miami um 52 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: mayor mayor sorry the Miami So he was needed an 53 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 1: opening note back into you were I mean you were 54 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: sitting at the right table, you know, as a crypto journalist. 55 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Because you know, when Charles walks, the ground shakes a 56 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: little bit, all right, So all they tell us about yourself, 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,000 Speaker 1: like where you're from, like and how and very how 58 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: you ended up here in London again, right, because from 59 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: Miami to where you were before like, yeah, well, some 60 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: people say my accident is international and or is it Irish? 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: And definitely not from Ireland and from Barbados and uh 62 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: I was born in England but grew up in Barbados 63 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: from an infant onwards. And my background in crypto really 64 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: I set up the first Caribbean bitcoin exchange and mining 65 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: company and then we just had huge problems with correspondent 66 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: banks and regulators and so we ended up partnering with 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: the Eastern Caribbean government and did the first central buying 68 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: digital currency and so that was early days. I was 69 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: CFO and president and co founder of that company, and 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: then I left and set up a venture studio and 71 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 1: began incubating protocols um CEO of one called Panther Protocol now, 72 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: which is working to make everyone free by restoring privacy 73 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: and rights to sovereignty. And that company was formed during 74 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: the pandemic and so we raised all the capital, assembled 75 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: the team began building the technology all remotely and it 76 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: was a joy. But I've been traveling since twenty fourteen, 77 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: moving countries for businesses. So what is it like the 78 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: give us a sense that you're like, how long do 79 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: you stay in one place? Do you know where you're 80 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: gonna go next? Like how do you pick the places? 81 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: Is it where there's a conference where the sun is Yeah, definitely. 82 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean those last two points are really important for 83 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: me at least that where's the sun shining? Where is 84 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 1: there a conference or or business that can be done. 85 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: I feel like at this day in time, you can 86 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: do business remotely quite effectively, and so I can really operate. 87 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: You know, we operate across almost all time zones as well, 88 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: because it's not just one company. There's a a UK 89 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: credit platform, there's a Gibraltar protocol business, there's a Delaware 90 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: protocol business, there's a Cayman fund, there's the Barbadian Exchange, 91 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: and so the team is all over the world. So 92 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: wherever I am, I'm always in some some pockets time 93 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: zone and we work an asynchronously a lot so emails 94 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: and messenger platforms. I think it's also important noting that 95 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 1: Oliver's lifestyle is quite common within the crypto industry, so 96 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna find a lot of businesses are decentralized, and 97 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: there's also like communities that have been built all over 98 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: like for example Miami, Estonia, Portugal. So I tell us 99 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: why have you decided to kind of settle down and 100 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: white London? And you know, have you seen more cryptonomics 101 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: moved back to financial centers, Because I guess that's kind 102 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 1: of the point of what we wrote, is like there 103 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: was lots of moving around, but like slowly as the 104 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 1: center's reopen, more people are trickling back. Yeah, and people 105 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: want to see each other in person, you know, so 106 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: the waiting of in person meetings has gone back up. 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,799 Speaker 1: In the pandemic, it was perfect. I loved it. Every 108 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: thirty minutes you have a different meeting with somebody, you 109 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: really connect with them virtually and you do whatever needs 110 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: to be done because that's how you have to do it. 111 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: Whereas now there's a discount on that. It's like, yeah, 112 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: the virtual conference is great, but you know what's better 113 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 1: looking someone in the eyes and shaking their hand. And 114 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: since we can do it, we want to do it. 115 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: And so that's my general observation when I look at 116 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 1: London itself. Though um London is a fintech hub. It 117 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: does have very good tax incentives for things like research 118 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: and development if you're building software. They have good incentives 119 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: for investors. European investors are are strong. British investors are strong, 120 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: not as strong as those in the US in terms 121 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: of their risk appetite and check size, but uh, what 122 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: you've got is a huge pool of talent. And from 123 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: a lifestyle perspective, to me, London is it. I mean 124 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: the weather shore is not great, but I don't spend 125 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: winter here, so it's like I'm you know, getting on 126 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: a plane any minute now, it's October coming up. I 127 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: won't be here for October and I never will if 128 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: I can avoid it, unless I have to come for business. 129 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: And you asked, like, what's it looked like in the 130 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: I would say sixteen I was spending six months or 131 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: so on average in a place. Now it's more like 132 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 1: six days, maybe two weeks, and then ago wherever else. 133 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: A lot of the time it's just synchronicity. You meet 134 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: someone or see someone and you do business and they're like, hey, 135 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: what are you doing next week? You should come so 136 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: and so and speak or how or have a meeting 137 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: or hang out and so you do it. So how 138 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: how do you do that? I mean, I guess everybody's 139 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: situation is different, but it seems quite expensive to move 140 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: from one place to another because someone just invites you 141 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: to a meeting or a conference and like, so, so, 142 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: how has that, like the crypto winter affected movement, you think, 143 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: for you and for the community at larger you seeing 144 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: more people saying I have to like tone it down. 145 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: In the bowl market, these conferences start to resemble a festival, 146 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: and everybody's quote unquote got it, and they're you know, 147 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: sailing high. Then the bear market comes around, and just 148 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: like birds of migrating in winter, all of the transient 149 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: people disappear again. And in the peak of a bear market, 150 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: which we might not be in right now, uh like 151 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: it could go, could go a lot longer than this. 152 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 1: Then you start to look around the room and you 153 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: see the familiar faces. Ah yeah, yeah, real ogs, that's 154 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,839 Speaker 1: what that's what they call them in crypto, And so yeah, 155 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean it is expensive though, however, I've been in 156 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: crypto a long time, so like there's multiple ways to 157 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: look at it. One is I'm enjoying my life. The 158 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: other is the impact that I have where I go 159 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: exceeds the cost of what I'm doing, how much, you know, 160 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: staying in a hotel or wherever. After the break More 161 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: from Panther Protocol Ceo Oliver Gale about living the crypto 162 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 1: nomad lifestyle and the lessons he's learned along the way. 163 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: All my life, I've always been about my growth. In 164 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: case you didn't no. Oliver is also a singer songwriter. 165 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: The music underneath Us right now is Oliver's own song 166 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: called Sail the Coast. So when you think about your 167 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: time around the world, what were some of the lessons 168 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: you learned or things that you think will stay with 169 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: you as you remain in one place. Can you still 170 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: be a nomad at heart, but like sleep in the 171 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: same bed. Yeah, I think that's a that's a great 172 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 1: place to look at it from, really and truly, there's 173 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: a level of letting go of the plan when you're 174 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: living a nomadic lifestyle because it's very difficult to plan, 175 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: and if you do, changing flights and accommodation all the 176 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: time will be the inevitable outcome. So I think one 177 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: of the big things for me is it's pulled me 178 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 1: into a sense of sometimes not knowing where I'm going 179 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: to be tomorrow, Like tomorrow is tomorrow's problem, So let's 180 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: figure out what Whether it's what meetings I have, where 181 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: I have to go on my flying you know, I'll 182 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 1: figure be told I'm flying tomorrow, but really, like, I 183 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: don't even make plans anymore. And so there's a beauty 184 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: to that because it gives you a huge sense of freedom. 185 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: I think the other side to that too is I 186 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: occur in people's lives like an ephemeral figure. Oh wow, 187 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're in l a Yeah, oh cool, 188 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: you live here. No, I'm going to London. Then I'm 189 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: in London. Oh you're in London. Do you live here? 190 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: And no? Not right now, I'm going to Barbados. Oh wow, 191 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: you're backing Barbados. No, good to see you again. So 192 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: you stay. No, I'm off to Colombia. That's literally the 193 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: last that's the two weeks in my life. That's the 194 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: week that just passed, and it's the next two weeks 195 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: in front of me. So it's great to form meaningful 196 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: connections with people, whether they're personal or professional. But that's 197 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 1: the challenge and I'm I'm really looking forward to actually 198 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: grounding myself and building some more permanent community as well. 199 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: And for me, big city like London, right next to Europe, 200 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: different weather to the Caribbeans, so I can basically arbitrage 201 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: the seasons but as companies scale and the sector matures, 202 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: you think more people will need to have basis and 203 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: you'll need to colless around communities are not read it 204 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: like is there a benefit like, as you said, you know, 205 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: meeting people and shaking their hand. Do you need that 206 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: with your colleagues at one point? Right, because people listening 207 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: to this will have experience working from home and never 208 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: seeing their colleagues for two years and maybe they're seeing 209 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: them now and they're like, WHOA, Yeah, it's actually cool 210 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: to like chat before work, Like you need that to 211 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: to scale a company or not? Really, I'm going to 212 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: say it would definitely depend on the industry. In tech, 213 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think cultural precedent was redefined 214 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and it's pretty clear that if you 215 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: have the right communication tools, project management tools, and accountable 216 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: team you really need. You need a team of people 217 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: that do what they say they will do when they 218 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: say they'll do it. Otherwise distributed teams, remote teams don't work. 219 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: So my experience of building teams of this nature is 220 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,439 Speaker 1: one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch because it's 221 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: like a bad communication note in your network of people. 222 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: They've got to go. You've got to find the right people. 223 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: A tech facilitates that because it's non physical. That being said, 224 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: nothing will substitute for the human experience. So people need 225 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: to come together. I think working spaces are important. Workshops 226 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: and team bonding sessions are important and also very difficult 227 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 1: to coordinate. I've been trying to do it with Panther 228 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: for like four months now, just to get people together, 229 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,359 Speaker 1: have some fun together. You know, it brings you together 230 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 1: around the mission division of your company, so I would 231 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I'm not discounting it. And then as well, it depends 232 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: on your position, So if you're the deal maker or 233 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: responsible for bringing in capital one way or the other, 234 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: nothing's gonna be sitting down with someone and spending particularly 235 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: if you do everything but talk about business. That's really helpful. 236 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, Oliver, Thank you tas. You can find more 237 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: of tas aktars reporting on the Bloomberg Terminal, on Bloomberg 238 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: dot com and on Twitter at tansil Underscore Actar. That's 239 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: at t A n Z E L Underscore A K 240 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: H T A R. 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