Speaker 1: Good morning, Usa yo yo yo yo yo yo yo
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Speaker 1: yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo yo Sean.
Speaker 1: Imagine the guy piece to the plane. It is Friday, Yes,
Speaker 1: it's Friday, good morning. The weekend is here, o man,
Speaker 1: beautiful Friday. Man. You know all week long we've had
Speaker 1: guests toes. You know, we've had Nini Leach Monday and Tuesdays, right,
Speaker 1: Ebony K. Williams Wednesday and Thursday. And today it's just us,
Speaker 1: just us, It's just us. We got a bunch of
Speaker 1: guest rood Man's in the morning. No, no, that's not
Speaker 1: drove Man's in the morning. If you want sausage with
Speaker 1: your breakfast, we got the sausage for you here right now,
Speaker 1: because we got other sausages joining us. This smart he
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Speaker 1: I got do hugely. He'll be joining us this small
Speaker 1: more sausage. Let's go DLO. Listen, somebody's listening right now,
Speaker 1: Like I told you, they're on the DL. No, man,
Speaker 1: d L Hugly is gonna be here, that's right. Also,
Speaker 1: Jason Wilson will be joining us. Man Ason Wilson man.
Speaker 1: First of all, let's be clear, I love Deal hugely,
Speaker 1: and I love Jason Wilson THO the two black men
Speaker 1: that I truly loved, value and appreciate. Jason william is
Speaker 1: the author of two books, Battle Cry and Cry Like
Speaker 1: a Man. Um. He's got a great film on ESPN
Speaker 1: right now, executive produced by Lawrence Fitshburn called The Cave
Speaker 1: of Almadullah. I feel like I'm pronouncing it wrong. I
Speaker 1: probably am, but the Cave of Almadullah Almadullah sound. But
Speaker 1: he'll he'll he'll get the pronunciation right when he comes here.
Speaker 1: And you weren't here a lot of time, Jason, I
Speaker 1: was here last time. Now, his clips of that interview
Speaker 1: that we did with him before go super viral all
Speaker 1: the time Kevin Games and Kevin Gave was talking about Yep,
Speaker 1: you read the book Cry like a Man? Remember, Yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: So John, I've seen his clips. When I've seen him,
Speaker 1: I guests he uh, I guess at his class he
Speaker 1: was teaching the kid about breaking the board and the
Speaker 1: kid couldn't break the balls, and he has gotten him
Speaker 1: through it. And I remember that going viral. So yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll be here with us this morning. Man, So a
Speaker 1: lot of sausage this morning, baby, it's a saulted part. Yes.
Speaker 1: And also a director, Mole McRae, will be joining us.
Speaker 1: He actually directed the episode when I was in East
Speaker 1: New York, so he's a director. So we'll be talking
Speaker 1: to him as guy. More more sausage, more sausage, more sausage.
Speaker 1: You get a sausage, You'll get a sausage. You'll get
Speaker 1: a sausage. Oh my goodness. All right. And also we
Speaker 1: got to shout out to Nila Simon. Nila, she's gonna
Speaker 1: be joining us. She's a fish. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know what. I don't know what. Not identify ass,
Speaker 1: So don't say me right, you know what? Let me
Speaker 1: mighty fish. We don't know, maybe not knowledge, I don't know. Right.
Speaker 1: She called us up the pretty little boy that she Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the pretty tom We're gonna start a segment called past
Speaker 1: the Orcs where we're gonna be passing her the auxiliary
Speaker 1: cord that she's gonna be telling U, s putting us
Speaker 1: on the new music that's coming out. It could be
Speaker 1: artists that's out already or some new artists. She's gonna
Speaker 1: be putting us onto some of the new music that's had.
Speaker 1: No she's coming her young fresh DJ. You know you've
Speaker 1: probably seen her on my late night talk show Hell
Speaker 1: of a Week. You know you you hear on probably
Speaker 1: one or five one in New York. You know she
Speaker 1: got playlist out there. I can call the mixtape no more.
Speaker 1: They played plays that she'll be up here telling us
Speaker 1: what's on her playlist. Morning. All right, well, let's get
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Speaker 1: A good thing? Man? I hope down last week? That's
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Speaker 1: you off your chests? Brother, what's up? I'm calling from
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Speaker 1: good thing about is that? Is that? Um, I'm expelling.
Speaker 1: I got my rights restorative vote, and I also turned
Speaker 1: around and now I'm running for office here in the
Speaker 1: Koe right. I'm running for Korey Um. And it's like
Speaker 1: hard to get our people out to vote. The Democrats
Speaker 1: out numbers or because in the city, but we're not
Speaker 1: getting out in voting. I am cross board against you know,
Speaker 1: I'm with everybody every side. I'm people in general, but
Speaker 1: just getting the numbers out to vote. Here it's being like,
Speaker 1: you know, a huge deficit, even getting funny and like
Speaker 1: I'm like grass roots and everything and I'm doing good.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely best candidate for it because I had both
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Speaker 1: Um now I'm gon this side, little fifteen years of
Speaker 1: community work from local level to natural level. So my hitting,
Speaker 1: my background, it messes with the population of Coe. Now
Speaker 1: we're not the Coe of the old. We're puting forward,
Speaker 1: but it's hard getting our people to understand how important
Speaker 1: it is to get out and vote for me. Um
Speaker 1: the month forward. Okay, well, how can people find out
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Speaker 1: The whole stand for the whole stand for helping other
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Speaker 1: like that, all right, brother, campaign slogan. Hello, who's this yo?
Speaker 1: What what's up happening? Get it off your chest? Brother?
Speaker 1: My first time getting and I'm still talking about the book.
Speaker 1: They said you're a book man, y'all. Just put them
Speaker 1: on hold. Maybe listen to old well listen in our defense.
Speaker 1: We were moving last year, that's right. So it was
Speaker 1: a lot going on, you know what I mean. So
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Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. This
Speaker 1: is your time to get it off your chest. Eight
Speaker 1: hundred five eight five one oh five one. We want
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Speaker 1: This is man Jasmine. All right, get it off your chests, Hi, Jasmine.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I was trying to get out of the
Speaker 1: vand with my kids. I drive kids, okay, but I
Speaker 1: was just trying to get my chance that. I feel
Speaker 1: like the world should make it a little bit easier
Speaker 1: for people with fellings. Needs to get jobs. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: are you trying to get a job. It's difficult for
Speaker 1: you or family member or not for me, but but
Speaker 1: for our partner, it's just hard. He did some things
Speaker 1: back in the day, long long time ago, and he's
Speaker 1: still paying for it, and it's just like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not okay. What kind of job you trying to get?
Speaker 1: And tell him don't lie on his application neither. That
Speaker 1: don't help. What kind of job you trying to get out?
Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't lie, and at this point any time,
Speaker 1: you know, just a job that's gonna pay and help
Speaker 1: him be able to provide for the family. What state
Speaker 1: are you in, Jasmine, Columbus, Ohio, Ohio? Yeah, that's one
Speaker 1: of those ones. You got a lobby your state legislator
Speaker 1: dear to remove the check the box. That's that's something
Speaker 1: a lot of state they're doing to try to help
Speaker 1: eradicate that it shit shows bad because he's so driven
Speaker 1: and he wants to do it, and then they just
Speaker 1: shooting him down, shooting them down. They'll give him a
Speaker 1: position and then take it away. I know. Another option,
Speaker 1: Jasmine is go around the system and maybe think about entrepreneurship,
Speaker 1: think about starting your own think about putting yourself in
Speaker 1: a position where you don't need somebody to sign off
Speaker 1: and validate you for hiring. What did you get arrested for?
Speaker 1: If you don't mind me asking, Um, it was a
Speaker 1: robbery situation when he was like eighteen, like thirteen years ago.
Speaker 1: He did all his time. Everything is done. He's a
Speaker 1: whole new person. But it's like they don't want to
Speaker 1: give him a chance in the world today. I think
Speaker 1: I love whatever he said. I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: they were doing that. I don't know. People start remove
Speaker 1: check removing the box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: some state oppositions, like if he's trying to work at
Speaker 1: certain things, don't they have to go through your background history?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I was gonna say, it looks like if
Speaker 1: you wanted to work for a bank, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, it was robbery. I'm sure they would have
Speaker 1: to go in the background. I'm sure if you want
Speaker 1: to work for a bank, you got to even have
Speaker 1: seven hundred credit score, they'd be tripping, you know, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you'll become a fiduciary, you know, so they want
Speaker 1: to make sure that you're in good financial standing. So
Speaker 1: that's hard. But yeah, certain states are removing that box
Speaker 1: for that reason. So and what's the process of actually
Speaker 1: wiping uh you record you're talking about? So that's an
Speaker 1: expungement and can you exponge felony? I'm in the process
Speaker 1: of doing that. Now I start Mike mill getting the exponge.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, yeah, dom Carolina, what's happening? I have
Speaker 1: an outstanding citizen. What's going on? I'm not but it's
Speaker 1: not easy. No, it's not. It's not easy. It's possible,
Speaker 1: it's not easy. And then when you do it, does
Speaker 1: that mean it's totally expunged, like they can't see it regardless,
Speaker 1: or can they steal nuckles? There's levels, so like, for instance,
Speaker 1: I have an expungement. Remember I told you about my
Speaker 1: deferred prosecution situation, so not picked up them Stewart Whitesman
Speaker 1: when I'm seventeen year in college, So that was expunge
Speaker 1: and he was boosting y'alls a thug y'all. But when
Speaker 1: it came time for me to take the bar exam,
Speaker 1: there was visibility. Yeah, of course, it didn't stop me
Speaker 1: from being a lawyer. There's lawyers, but DUI is all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. But they're gonna permeate that quote expungement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, get it off your chest. Eight hundred five
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Speaker 1: Your morning's will never be the same morning. Everybody is
Speaker 1: dj n V Charlemagne, the guy we are the Breakfast Club. Indeed,
Speaker 1: we got a special guest in the building, the brother
Speaker 1: Mote mccraig, Morning Morning, Morning Club, y'all my brother. Now
Speaker 1: you don't know who mo is, You probably know the face.
Speaker 1: He was in NYPD Blue Boston Public, The District, Cold Case,
Speaker 1: The Guardian, The Shield of Division, See Aside Er Detroit,
Speaker 1: The Defenders, uh Sons of Anarchy, Battle Creek, Murder in
Speaker 1: The First Empire, Pitch Tales, Rebel, The Flight Attended. He's
Speaker 1: an actor with a long resume, playing a lot of
Speaker 1: cop shows too, a lot of cops shows. I knew
Speaker 1: you was gonna say something about that, was that, do
Speaker 1: you want to be a cop grown up? Or no?
Speaker 1: You know, Honestly, in the beginning of the cop shows,
Speaker 1: when I started acting, I was pretty much on the
Speaker 1: opportunity for young black actors on a cop show getting
Speaker 1: interrogated as you do it or not. So it kind
Speaker 1: of started off doing a lot of those and then
Speaker 1: later end up getting the player a cop and be
Speaker 1: a lawyer and all those things. But it's what opportunities
Speaker 1: were in the beginning. You know what's so funny. I
Speaker 1: saw when they were announcing the NAACP Image Awards. I
Speaker 1: saw the head of the NAACP. He was on with
Speaker 1: meffy Man. You don't see me at this one with
Speaker 1: Gail King, and he said something that people got a
Speaker 1: little upset about, but I understood he was saying. He
Speaker 1: was like, meffy Man got nominated for playing an attorney,
Speaker 1: not a criminal. So do you feel like they cash
Speaker 1: black people in those roles, especially black men, on purpose
Speaker 1: and the criminal roles. Yeah, I think that's why you
Speaker 1: didn't hear me with the tough questions fresh out of
Speaker 1: the gate. I mean, honestly, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it was on purpose because it was telling stories that
Speaker 1: are taking place in certain environments, and those are the
Speaker 1: people that didn't have with those environments. And I also
Speaker 1: feel like it was important like when Methodist playing those
Speaker 1: type of roles, or we're just seeing us depicted and
Speaker 1: other lights and other things I remember my grandmother. It
Speaker 1: got to a point while I was doing all that stuff,
Speaker 1: those type of roles, he said, baby, you're smart, You're
Speaker 1: so intelligent, you're funny, y'all these things. Let's see some
Speaker 1: of that too. Wow. And when she said that to me,
Speaker 1: it really made me pump the brakes on it, and
Speaker 1: it was something I stopped. Chadwick had picked up on
Speaker 1: really early. He's spoken a lot about that where he
Speaker 1: had to have a little bit more integrity in his
Speaker 1: work and being understanding of what these depictions and what
Speaker 1: this repretation representation actually is. So with those bills, you
Speaker 1: got bills and those it seemed like those are far
Speaker 1: and few. Yeah, the bills. It's a real thing. And
Speaker 1: now I think that's a struggle of every artist. It's like,
Speaker 1: how do you maintain that dream but still maintain a
Speaker 1: roof over your head? And I think that's something all
Speaker 1: the grades had to navigate and figure out, whether it's music,
Speaker 1: is playing ball, whatever it is you got that big
Speaker 1: picture dream or what do you do in an intim
Speaker 1: to keep yourself afloat? And so something I end up
Speaker 1: doing a lot of people didn't know. It's like I
Speaker 1: started working with somebody doing landscaping and just figuring out
Speaker 1: other things you cut grass and acted. I did whatever
Speaker 1: I had to do, and I also started to home
Speaker 1: my craft because that was the biggest issue. When they
Speaker 1: were saying, Oh, you can't play a lawyer. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: why can't I It's like your addiction. So I did
Speaker 1: speech and diction training. I did all those things to
Speaker 1: eliminate the no. So I want to show like the
Speaker 1: flight Attendant with Kaylee Quoko, I'm a CIA agent on
Speaker 1: that show. That's because I put that time into the
Speaker 1: craft to be able to convincingly convey those other careers
Speaker 1: and archetypes. Now, when did you know you wanted to
Speaker 1: be an actor? Like? When was that? Man, I'm from California.
Speaker 1: You can hit all in your voice. You hit the
Speaker 1: CALLI Cally. You know. It's funny. Every time I thought about,
Speaker 1: like when I wanted to become an actor, I feel
Speaker 1: like it just keeps going further further further back in
Speaker 1: my life. But the first time I really made that
Speaker 1: decision and I got on stage in high school just
Speaker 1: doing a play, had a drama teacher and just taking
Speaker 1: the class, I want to be an actors ended up
Speaker 1: in a class and he was like, you got something special.
Speaker 1: You should get on stage. At the time, I like everybody,
Speaker 1: I want to play ball, haven't want to do all
Speaker 1: these other things. He's like, I give you an a a
Speaker 1: in the class if you do one little play. And
Speaker 1: I got on stage and that was it. It was
Speaker 1: something about that connection with the audience and look at
Speaker 1: people in an eye and being an express rest of
Speaker 1: in that manner. I was like, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to do for the rest of my life. And I
Speaker 1: was sixteen years old when I found it. I just
Speaker 1: had no idea how hard it was gonna be. I
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna work, but it was crazy difficult.
Speaker 1: Now do you see those programs a lot because you're
Speaker 1: from South Central? Yeah? South Central? Do you see those
Speaker 1: programs a lot in the hood in those areas? Because
Speaker 1: I'm just I just remember growing up in Queens. I
Speaker 1: don't remember seeing those type of arts. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if Charlemagne you see them in South Carolina. Of course,
Speaker 1: we had the basketball and baseball and football. I don't
Speaker 1: really see in that many had plays when I was
Speaker 1: in elementary school, you know, stuff like rock soup, you
Speaker 1: know what I like? Plays? Yeah, it's plays, but I
Speaker 1: think those like specific programs. That's a good question if
Speaker 1: when you think about like outside of the school, like
Speaker 1: I didn't find any exposure to other arts when I
Speaker 1: was coming up, Like my mom did a good job
Speaker 1: of making sure my brother and I I says, so we
Speaker 1: would go to the museum sometimes when it turns like programs,
Speaker 1: and I think that we're really going to add intrinsic
Speaker 1: value to us outside of like the norm that didn't
Speaker 1: exist when I was coming out. That's all. I'm so
Speaker 1: happy I've been looking into like what Lebron is doing
Speaker 1: with his school. This is a really powerful thing because
Speaker 1: he's trying to give these at risk and these challenged
Speaker 1: youth opportunities to be exposed to more dynamic things that
Speaker 1: can really lead to fundamental growth. Because I didn't have
Speaker 1: that really when I was growing up. And you said
Speaker 1: your grandmother encouraged you to, you know, do better roles, right,
Speaker 1: and you're writing and directing a lot of nothing. Yes,
Speaker 1: so that's one of the ones when you were writing this,
Speaker 1: did you have Grandma in mind? I had everybody in mind, man,
Speaker 1: when I wrote this Feast. It's a lot of nothing,
Speaker 1: this film. It's a super autobiographical In a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: I just poured from my life, like and researching and
Speaker 1: thinking about all the greats and art. No matter what
Speaker 1: the discipline is, the greatest thing you could do is
Speaker 1: pour from what you know. So it's inspired by me,
Speaker 1: my first love, my close friends, my brother, and all
Speaker 1: the things that are happening in the world, like all
Speaker 1: these injustices and these travesties. And so it was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: how can I make a story with the things that
Speaker 1: I know and that we all experiencing that could still
Speaker 1: be funny and dangerous and thrilling. And that's what the
Speaker 1: movie is. I was thinking about everybody when I wrote
Speaker 1: the film. What made you get behind the camera? For
Speaker 1: For people that don't know, I was in East New
Speaker 1: York and you asked, let's go. People know you, they
Speaker 1: might not recognize me. We got an olden jobs in
Speaker 1: the true that's not true, that's not it. But you
Speaker 1: actually directed that episode. And for people that don't know,
Speaker 1: it wasn't like at first. You know, they called and said,
Speaker 1: if I want this, I would have to try out
Speaker 1: for the part. And I had to. I had to
Speaker 1: do it in front of you and the executives. Yes,
Speaker 1: So what made you first want to get behind the camera?
Speaker 1: And then I want you to tell people about how
Speaker 1: good you were my audition. Yeah. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: shout out to my man Harry, Oh, Harold, who connected
Speaker 1: us man like, which is an important thing in this
Speaker 1: whole process to its relationships and cultivating good relationships out
Speaker 1: of reciprocity value of looking out for people that look
Speaker 1: out for you. But I wanted to get behind the
Speaker 1: camera because I'm an artist. You know, I'm not just
Speaker 1: an actor. I do photography, right, I want to learn
Speaker 1: to draw one day. I tell stories. And so I
Speaker 1: realized I just focused on my acting. I was kind
Speaker 1: of putting myself in a box. Because not anybody else
Speaker 1: is putting me in the box. I was putting myself
Speaker 1: in the box. I was limiting the scope of what
Speaker 1: I could do and how I could tell stories. So
Speaker 1: and I was fascinated with it all. So I started
Speaker 1: studying shadowing all the great directors I was able to
Speaker 1: work with, going to YouTube University, spending tons of my
Speaker 1: own money as an actor that I was making to
Speaker 1: buy cameras and to make short films. Because I wanted
Speaker 1: to tell stories. I wanted to give people the thing
Speaker 1: that like Spike Lee, John Singleton, the Cohen Brothers, Steven Spielberg,
Speaker 1: the thing that those directors gave to me, those experiences
Speaker 1: I wanted to give to other people. So I made
Speaker 1: my first film. So I'm making all those shorts and
Speaker 1: doing East New York right now. How did you get
Speaker 1: East New York? Because I mean, and did anybody know
Speaker 1: East New York was gonna be so big? Because I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a show that people genuinely love, Man the show.
Speaker 1: Don't think you ever really know how big something is
Speaker 1: gonna be. I end up getting East New York because
Speaker 1: oddly enough, this is how investing in yourself pays off
Speaker 1: a lot of nothing. This feature film that I have
Speaker 1: coming out, it started as a short film, and I
Speaker 1: spent like forty g's on a short film at a
Speaker 1: time when I didn't really have the bread. But I
Speaker 1: was like, people like, why are you spending so much money?
Speaker 1: Because I need to show my vision because everybody always
Speaker 1: sent a want to do stuff like mo, stick to
Speaker 1: what you do, and I'm like, I want to direct.
Speaker 1: They like, stick to what you do? So I showed
Speaker 1: them the vision. They were like, oh, this is special.
Speaker 1: So the executive producer East New York, Mike Robbin, he
Speaker 1: saw my short film like five years ago or something
Speaker 1: like that. He saw that short film and so he
Speaker 1: had me direct the television show for him a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, and I'm crushed it show called All Rise.
Speaker 1: And then when East New York came around, as soon
Speaker 1: as it got green lit, he was like, mo, I
Speaker 1: need you to come and do this show. And so
Speaker 1: from him seeing my short film and then what I
Speaker 1: did on this other show is what led him to
Speaker 1: calling me and giving me the opportunity to not only direct,
Speaker 1: but produce East New York. All right, we have more
Speaker 1: with Mote mcray when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Good morning, the Breakfast Club wanting everybody is DJ Envy
Speaker 1: Charlemagne the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We're still
Speaker 1: kicking with Mo McRae's director of CBS's East New York.
Speaker 1: He did I think a bunch an episode one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm actually in and he's in a hostess series now.
Speaker 1: When they called for East New York, they said that
Speaker 1: at first you were looking for somebody else to play
Speaker 1: the role DJ Authentic. Yes, and uh and then I
Speaker 1: guess you decided to give me a shot. So what
Speaker 1: was that process? I never I never knew. They just
Speaker 1: told me to tell you why I wanted to give
Speaker 1: you a shot. But the Dominican forty five, you know,
Speaker 1: you know what it was like a big thing about
Speaker 1: me and art is authenticity, right, And so you have
Speaker 1: the show that's set in New York and it's tapping
Speaker 1: into the culture, like the zeitgeist of people that I
Speaker 1: want to see what's happening in New York right now
Speaker 1: we're talking to my guy Harry. Oh, was just like,
Speaker 1: who are those people that represent that could be a snitch,
Speaker 1: So you know, who could bring that who could bring
Speaker 1: that energy? Who's that person that people are gonna see
Speaker 1: and be like that's dope. But also it has to
Speaker 1: be somebody's gonna take it serious with you. While we
Speaker 1: had to do the read and I'm gonna give you
Speaker 1: some I'm gonna give talk about some real stuff right here,
Speaker 1: where a lot of people get opportunities to do things,
Speaker 1: but they bring too much ego to the party, their pretense,
Speaker 1: they come with all that, so they're not willing to
Speaker 1: respect this. So it's people you big in this world
Speaker 1: over here. You get an invitation to come over here
Speaker 1: and do something else, and you show up like, now
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this realm me? And what was
Speaker 1: amazing about Envy you bros? You came in with so
Speaker 1: much humility and reverence or what's happening in the film
Speaker 1: and TV world, and was like, okay, whatever, the process
Speaker 1: is a respected and you did the work, you had
Speaker 1: your lines memorized, you got a point of view, you
Speaker 1: got a perspective, and as soon as I saw that,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're my guy. Next year, next year
Speaker 1: he got an those job now, you know. But but
Speaker 1: that was the most difficult part was the humility, right,
Speaker 1: because I've been doing this for a long time. I've
Speaker 1: been djaming for a long time, snitch for a long time.
Speaker 1: So when somebody tell when you do something, somebody tells
Speaker 1: you that's not right, it makes you feel away because really,
Speaker 1: absolutely I wouldn't feel that way. Made me feel because
Speaker 1: I know I'm not an actor, so I would want
Speaker 1: that game. That's what I want me, That's what I
Speaker 1: overdid it. I'm like, guide me, tell me which way
Speaker 1: I should do it. How do you feel about this?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about that. That's why you know
Speaker 1: with the episode, I'm like, you know, I was asking
Speaker 1: and I'm reading your lines why you're saying your lines?
Speaker 1: So I knew when to come in my lines and
Speaker 1: I'm asking, I say it like this, Am I supposed
Speaker 1: to be smooth? And am I supposed to be scared?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So you want to go
Speaker 1: through it? And then I had to do it at
Speaker 1: the audition in front of him, at the audition in
Speaker 1: front of the executives, and it's like, you don't know
Speaker 1: how it is. So I always appreciate that's part of
Speaker 1: scratching yourself, right, Like you're talking about that ladder that
Speaker 1: Denzel was talking about, Like some people get to a
Speaker 1: certain you know, level on the ladder and they think
Speaker 1: there's nowhere else to go, and it's like you ain't
Speaker 1: looking up exactly. They get they get fat on that position,
Speaker 1: so they can't go up. And when you get that
Speaker 1: much weight on you high, what happens? Gravity kicks in
Speaker 1: and you're gonna come down. I think you gotta constantly
Speaker 1: be challenging yourself because oftentimes I was talking to somebody
Speaker 1: about this recent like people talk about the culture. The
Speaker 1: culture just do this for the culture. And I find
Speaker 1: myself right now, I'm wondering, are we really challenging the culture?
Speaker 1: Are we stretching the culture? Are we are we like
Speaker 1: even something like the whole snitching thing, right, like, why
Speaker 1: is snitching so bad? Why are we still treating snitching
Speaker 1: like it's a bad thing. That's something the question I would.
Speaker 1: I don't because I'm not in the street. I could
Speaker 1: care less. Who's an informant or nothing, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I also look at it as there
Speaker 1: is crime prevention. I think the colde is if you're
Speaker 1: in the street and you're doing dirt, and you know
Speaker 1: you're doing dirt with somebody and y'all did it together,
Speaker 1: and then you snitched to save yourself for that person
Speaker 1: goes down. I can understand that if you live that life,
Speaker 1: But for people who are just want to keep the
Speaker 1: community safe, that's a problem with that. Ye call the
Speaker 1: police if you know, I would, Yeah, exactly do what
Speaker 1: you need to do. And then also challenge the systems
Speaker 1: that create such like lack and desperation where people have
Speaker 1: gotten being crimes to eat, Like, let's look at that.
Speaker 1: Don't talk too about stop snitching. Let's stop the systems
Speaker 1: that create all this lack and it to me, real
Speaker 1: nice to me is the person who told on that turner, Yes,
Speaker 1: a realstness to me is the person the others, the
Speaker 1: other enslaved person who told on Denwalk Bessie enslavery bole
Speaker 1: he was trying to put together, like that's us, snitch,
Speaker 1: those are the ones that we should un my death
Speaker 1: because you set us back on the person I was
Speaker 1: trying to lift us up. That's right, Why why would
Speaker 1: you do that? That's right? But I also say I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem being a snitch, Like if you
Speaker 1: need me to come back and snitch on some more people,
Speaker 1: I mean, and we know that's why you got the role.
Speaker 1: So what's next for you? Because you're doing more episodes
Speaker 1: of East New York and of course you got a
Speaker 1: lot of nothing, So explain how many more episodes y'all
Speaker 1: start shooting yet? Or I just finished directing episode fourteen
Speaker 1: so that I'm doing that right now on the show.
Speaker 1: And I'm just talking about the film because I think
Speaker 1: this movie a lot of nothing. It's like, it's not
Speaker 1: like anything that's ever really been made, and what w
Speaker 1: It's a satirical thriller, and this is a combination because
Speaker 1: it's equal parts funny and serious. It's it's it's scary
Speaker 1: and it's but it's dynamic, it's interesting. It's one of
Speaker 1: those films you can't see it without talking about it
Speaker 1: afterwards because the subject matter is real heavy. You got
Speaker 1: a married couple who's watching the news one night and
Speaker 1: sees un armed motors is killed by a police officer.
Speaker 1: And at the end of that news segment they reveal
Speaker 1: the identity at the officer and it's their next door neighbor.
Speaker 1: So then they posed with that question because I always
Speaker 1: thought about it, like we get also upset with something
Speaker 1: to go wrong, first thing we do is go to
Speaker 1: social media. What happens if the problem is right next door?
Speaker 1: What would you do then? And then how do you
Speaker 1: handle that problem on top of all the problems you
Speaker 1: already got to get on relationship, right, And that's what
Speaker 1: the film is. It's like all those things coming together
Speaker 1: in a real crazy way. And you got nominated for
Speaker 1: ACP Image Award. I did get Outstanding Breakthrough Creative because
Speaker 1: that's direct things. That's different. Yeah, I mean I get
Speaker 1: emotional just thinking about the journey, right, because this whole
Speaker 1: thing about breakthrough that specific word, that category, because my
Speaker 1: whole philosophy on life has been involved not being in
Speaker 1: a box. Because I realized nobody could put me in
Speaker 1: a box. I put myself in a box. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I adopted adopted that mentality and started living
Speaker 1: outside of that, these kind of things start to happen.
Speaker 1: So it's just been affirmation. So it's humbling, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's an honor to be acknowledged for
Speaker 1: breakthrough creative emotion picture. It's something that was so challenging
Speaker 1: to do, Like making the movie is hard, especially if
Speaker 1: you care about the details. And so to get that acknowledgement,
Speaker 1: I'm thankful for the cast and everybody involved to make
Speaker 1: that happen just been beautiful. I like what you said
Speaker 1: just now because I think about that, right, Like I
Speaker 1: think sometimes we listen to the world instead of listening
Speaker 1: to the God, and so a lot of times we
Speaker 1: do things because we that's what everybody is telling us
Speaker 1: we should do. But what is God telling you to do?
Speaker 1: You know me, everybody's gonna be like I understanding your box,
Speaker 1: staying your lane, no, don't do anything up. But God
Speaker 1: is like, no, go direct and that thing like, and
Speaker 1: God speaks to me a lot through my wife. You
Speaker 1: got a black wife? Yeah, just to make sure to
Speaker 1: be He said, what do you say after that? Thanks
Speaker 1: for seeing you, thank you. That's that's a whole crazy thing. Well,
Speaker 1: but yeah, my wife is black. She's beautiful, she's a
Speaker 1: movie star. She's in my movie. Like Scott David shout
Speaker 1: out to my wife. Yeah, yeah, I have to do that.
Speaker 1: Just pay love. We got a little range. I'm sad
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, you don't worry. I got it. I
Speaker 1: got it, really have it. Well, we appreciate you for
Speaker 1: joining us. And where can they check out? A lot
Speaker 1: of nothing? Are we in theaters? So we in New York, LA,
Speaker 1: all the big cities. We're gonna be everywhere showing up.
Speaker 1: But yes, and theater is gonna be on demand as well.
Speaker 1: So if you don't want to go see it in
Speaker 1: the theater, which I advise you to do because it's
Speaker 1: a movie you want to see on a big screen.
Speaker 1: Just a filmmaking. It's incredible. Terms like everybody that came together,
Speaker 1: like I got geniuses that came and donated and gave
Speaker 1: love to help make this movie. So theaters on demand
Speaker 1: and East New York is on CBS nine thirty and
Speaker 1: all that. Lets Sunday night, let us know, how about
Speaker 1: get a theater for a lot of nothing. Let us
Speaker 1: know what We'll get a theater screening? Ye yo, definitely
Speaker 1: sure that means a lot. Maybe Sunday night, Sunday nights
Speaker 1: opening weekend. At let's do it. I appreciate that done.
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Well, let's moment gray Molok,
Speaker 1: she did it. I'm acting before I get out of here.
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Speaker 1: Morning everybody is dj NV Charlomagne, the guy we all
Speaker 1: the breakfast club, shout everybody out in Dallas. I actually
Speaker 1: got ahead the Dallas later on today they said the
Speaker 1: weather's disgusting in Dallas. I think they got like three
Speaker 1: four inches of snow. They shut the city down. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you something about three to four inches of
Speaker 1: the doll of snow and the d Listen, listen, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. When three or four inches of
Speaker 1: snow hit the d shut down. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But it's like that in the South because the South
Speaker 1: isn't equipped yews the soul. There's nothing that's really bad.
Speaker 1: I know the reverse of that up here hurricanes. Because
Speaker 1: Hurricane Sandy it was like a little punk to us
Speaker 1: in a little punk ass tropical storm correct shut the
Speaker 1: city down of New York. So snow to the South
Speaker 1: is what hurricanes are up No, I got you three
Speaker 1: the four inches, man, It may not seem like much
Speaker 1: to you, to anybody to you or let's let know
Speaker 1: you up norths y'all used to get more inches, right,
Speaker 1: at least seven, at least seven. I'm talking about envy.
Speaker 1: That's why you are who you are. I tell them
Speaker 1: how to make it in this business. D. L. Hugle
Speaker 1: will be joining us next. Man, We're gonna don't move.
Speaker 1: I hate this guy. Man, man, it's the Breakfast Cloud.
Speaker 1: Good morning, the Breakfast Club pointing. Everybody is dj n
Speaker 1: V Charlemagne the guy. We all the Breakfast Club. We
Speaker 1: got a special guest in the building. DL hugely welcome.
Speaker 1: What's up? I like they'll furniture. Tell what somebody getting?
Speaker 1: Oh man, they get made the company, all the good
Speaker 1: stuff come out. Well y'all, lad y'all, we have to
Speaker 1: call y'all a brunch club. I was wondering about that
Speaker 1: before you walked out to L time. Somebody. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: not used to be in that discipline, having a reads
Speaker 1: that practice and practice, So you have to get the
Speaker 1: South African to do that before I'm gonna. Are you
Speaker 1: writing your own stuff? YEA A lot of it, A
Speaker 1: lot of it. I mean like this the stuff some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that I you know, because I wanted
Speaker 1: to do today show because there was so much happening
Speaker 1: from a communal standpoint, from a cultural standpoint, and I
Speaker 1: never felt like anybody who would actually seen some of
Speaker 1: the things that were happening was kind of guide us
Speaker 1: through the experience. And then of course the man that
Speaker 1: I do the show that we have. Yeah, of course,
Speaker 1: so tough week to start with that. It was, man,
Speaker 1: it was, but it's so familiar. Yeah, it's so like
Speaker 1: I've been I'll be fifty nine next month and I've
Speaker 1: been watching Black People to dices. I was too in
Speaker 1: the same way, and it's always the craziest thing. And
Speaker 1: this is the first time I've ever seen somebody from
Speaker 1: the Oval Office go to the funeral of somebody slain
Speaker 1: by the police. I don't respect it. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: you why I don't respect it. There's no way I
Speaker 1: could be anybody from the White House, whether you vice
Speaker 1: brosid to come Hires or our President Biden and sit
Speaker 1: up in the people's face and no, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: everything I can to make things like the George Floyd
Speaker 1: policing yea pass, Like what do you tell the family
Speaker 1: when the family says, what are y'all going to do?
Speaker 1: You just said it? They make killing up forever, like
Speaker 1: what are you doing? What that means? In America? It
Speaker 1: is a thing. America doesn't think there's anything wrong. It
Speaker 1: just don't. They don't think there's anything wrong. Every time
Speaker 1: something happened, the first thing people to do is rush
Speaker 1: to tell me how not all policemen are like that.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing. Invariably somebody gonna have that conversation. Oh,
Speaker 1: not all policemen are like that. Ain't talking about You
Speaker 1: were talking about the ones who is like this? But
Speaker 1: no one ever says all black men aren't like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. So they have no problem paying us when
Speaker 1: one prob rush. But they always want they get to
Speaker 1: be individviduals. We have to be a group. So how
Speaker 1: do you handle it? On the Daily Show? Right? You're
Speaker 1: hosting a week it's it's so so much to talk about,
Speaker 1: but do you be a lighthearted a little bit? Ain't
Speaker 1: serious about like what are you doing that? I think
Speaker 1: that human only works when it stays to it. I
Speaker 1: don't think that that. I did find that I run
Speaker 1: to the arrested him so fast, and I wonder why
Speaker 1: that was what the white cop you got arrested. If
Speaker 1: people aren't complaining about it, well, I probably you know,
Speaker 1: But you know, all of this stuff is just happened
Speaker 1: stance that I don't know. I can't prove a negative.
Speaker 1: I can't prove that this would have happened opposite. I
Speaker 1: know that all of them were black. I know that
Speaker 1: they acted in a way that was that was not
Speaker 1: consistent with the way I've seen them act. Ultimately, it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna matter until these things happen and we see
Speaker 1: a lot of policemen walking out in handcuffs when they
Speaker 1: do stuff like that. But let me ask you a a question.
Speaker 1: You know, we always talk about we want people in
Speaker 1: the community that look like us, right, we want people
Speaker 1: on the four that look like us. We want people
Speaker 1: as lawyers and judges that look like us. These brothers
Speaker 1: look like us, right. They had they were Omega sci
Speaker 1: fi right from the community, like us. So like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm an Omegan. I'm gonna tell you this, those three
Speaker 1: men were Omegas. But the men who are trying to
Speaker 1: the man who's trying to get family justice then make
Speaker 1: it too. So it's it's really reflective Clarence Thomas looked
Speaker 1: like us. But I think that the predicate is you can,
Speaker 1: we can have disagreements. But one of the things that
Speaker 1: I find I take homage with is that you can
Speaker 1: have a political difference, disagreement of philosophical But on the
Speaker 1: other side, the predicate is they hate us. They gotta say.
Speaker 1: They can't just disagreement. You gotta tell you how you're
Speaker 1: wrong and how you're bad. Like Jason Willock some of
Speaker 1: the stuff he says that self hate. How do you
Speaker 1: how do you shape your mouth to say something was
Speaker 1: a black woman like? They always find the way to
Speaker 1: make us more insidious. And I think we can have disagreements,
Speaker 1: but why why is the predicate hate? Then you got
Speaker 1: to despise us in order for them to accept you.
Speaker 1: You know, That's why people say it's not about racing
Speaker 1: this situation, it's about the system. No, it's about race. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this country does not value black bodies right, regardless, regardless,
Speaker 1: and they've done such a good job of not valuing
Speaker 1: black bodies that some of us don't value ourselves. That's
Speaker 1: why those five cops can do that to a brother
Speaker 1: like that, they would not do that to a white
Speaker 1: man was until we see it. I've never seen it.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. The thing about it that you
Speaker 1: can you can we have so little respect. I'm not
Speaker 1: in that group. I respect black people live, and I
Speaker 1: hope that you know everybody in this room does. But
Speaker 1: there are people when you Those men weren't purple and
Speaker 1: gold for a mega. They weren't black for they before
Speaker 1: they were anything. They were black. They were blue that day,
Speaker 1: and they did what their cameras on and they didn't
Speaker 1: try to get that man aid through. Those men were
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds. And if that's the elite, who was not?
Speaker 1: If that's the elite and they were young men, how
Speaker 1: did you get to be on the force that that's
Speaker 1: little time and get that kind of signment unless your
Speaker 1: assignments to be brutals to black people. I don't feel
Speaker 1: like they did it before because it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: like even if I'm a beat, so I've I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave my camera on, yeah you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I just don't care or I never got in
Speaker 1: trouble for it before. Why would you this with the
Speaker 1: Scorpion Union. This is what we're supposed to do. We
Speaker 1: reckon shop you can't even blame it in your right
Speaker 1: yar man. It is about the system that has created
Speaker 1: this thing. Like and every time I turn around, somebody's
Speaker 1: telling us so hard the police got it, Like Barack
Speaker 1: Obama went to the funeral of five Slang police officers.
Speaker 1: It is politically dangerous to go to a funeral of
Speaker 1: a dead black. I watched Kamala Harris, I was. I
Speaker 1: watched it was. I think it was a George Floyd thing.
Speaker 1: I watched her go to a gay propery and a
Speaker 1: float went by, but she wouldn't go to Like I'm serious.
Speaker 1: It was a dude with a rainbow throne on a
Speaker 1: float going by, but going to a black funeral was
Speaker 1: too Like that's yeah, that's right. So I think that
Speaker 1: there is a way that we are seeing, even in death,
Speaker 1: we look politically dangerous to people like, how is it dangerous?
Speaker 1: If this is wrong? And we all say it's wrong, right,
Speaker 1: then we all say, but I'm gonna send you flowers,
Speaker 1: I'll put you in the boot, and I'm giving a
Speaker 1: State of the Union address, but I'm not gonna come
Speaker 1: to the funeral and cry with you. All these things.
Speaker 1: Is divine province of all these things, So I'm hoping
Speaker 1: that this is indicative of what is to come. The
Speaker 1: one thing that hurts my feelings is every time I
Speaker 1: turn around when a young black man or young black
Speaker 1: woman's killed, the mothers and parents and families rushed to
Speaker 1: humanize them. They got to show them skateboarding. They gotta
Speaker 1: and they always have known though he's not like you think,
Speaker 1: he's not like the other ones. There's always this tattoos
Speaker 1: on the face that they always have to rush to humanize.
Speaker 1: But they have to because I feel like the police
Speaker 1: department does pressed it the other way. You know, it
Speaker 1: all got arrested when he was fined for doing this,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what they do. Have you ever noticed, No,
Speaker 1: this is just just statistically true for profession police officers
Speaker 1: have a higher rate of drug abuse, domestic violence, alcohol abuse.
Speaker 1: But I get tested when I do something wrong? Way
Speaker 1: who shot? I know his drug? Like that's because we
Speaker 1: don't want to know things. They get after there's an
Speaker 1: instance many times, because you know they get thirty, they
Speaker 1: get two weeks to three to four weeks off before
Speaker 1: they have to answer questions. If I got if my
Speaker 1: wife busting me with another brother, you gave me four
Speaker 1: weeks to come up with something that I'd be all
Speaker 1: right along a minute, so they set it up so
Speaker 1: these things can continue to happen. When I see Tim
Speaker 1: Scott is in when we can't even say that it's
Speaker 1: wrong and choking, get it death, what's the conversation about,
Speaker 1: like the chokeo. We can't even ban the chokeo. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you're fighting for your life, that all bets is up.
Speaker 1: But as a matter of policy, we should We can't
Speaker 1: say the choking people that put in your arm and
Speaker 1: cutting off the air supply is is something we shouldn't do.
Speaker 1: I agree with you man that listen man, I think
Speaker 1: one of the most interesting things that has ever happened
Speaker 1: in this country is the fact that psychologically they have
Speaker 1: convinced people that black folks are the problem. Black folks
Speaker 1: are dangerous out of all the hayned stuff you don't
Speaker 1: see white people do throughout the world. Historically they scared us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how and when it comes to the police, y'all got
Speaker 1: the gun, y'all got the batons, y'all got the pepper spray,
Speaker 1: y'all got everything. Why are y'all the free? But you're
Speaker 1: supposed to teach my children. I'm supposed to be my
Speaker 1: children how to treat you as appos and you're in
Speaker 1: the pro But we live in a country right now
Speaker 1: where you pretty much unanimously they voted for Juneteenth, but
Speaker 1: they want they're against teaching slavery right, which is crazy
Speaker 1: because Juneteenth. I don't want my children learn about slavery school,
Speaker 1: which is stupid because school is out the first week
Speaker 1: of June. Juneteenth is the nineth of June. If your
Speaker 1: children learn about Slavery Day in summer school, and they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna make it, no damn way if you if
Speaker 1: you've got to go to school the summer, you are
Speaker 1: dumb ass, dude woman. And Juneteenth is a federal holiday.
Speaker 1: It means more white people up on Juneteenth. Thus I
Speaker 1: think on juneteent white people have to work that day
Speaker 1: for free all day. Where my kids I'm selling them
Speaker 1: because that's a slavery day. We got more with DL hugely.
Speaker 1: When we come back. It's the breakfast Club of Good
Speaker 1: morning everybody in cej n V. Charlemagne the guy we
Speaker 1: all the breakfast club. We got a special guest in
Speaker 1: the building. Yes, indeed, the brother Dale hugely welcome. What's up.
Speaker 1: I ran into you at the White House? Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Joe Biden and the job
Speaker 1: he's doing? Right? Listen, listen. I've never seen any anybody,
Speaker 1: And I had this conversation with Charlotte man with a
Speaker 1: with a limited number of seats in the House and
Speaker 1: the senator at that time past such legislations. I've never
Speaker 1: seen it happened. And you could talk about whether you
Speaker 1: like him or don't like him, but Barack Obama had
Speaker 1: a supermajority and couldn't get a lot of this stuff done.
Speaker 1: So I think page to do it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I defy you at a time in history, and even
Speaker 1: people on the rtle say this that somebody took that
Speaker 1: menial amount of numbers and had such significant legislations. It's
Speaker 1: never happened. So I think those years and years and
Speaker 1: years of being a senator taught him that. But I
Speaker 1: think the thing that people have to understand is that
Speaker 1: we're in a fight to convince people that we are
Speaker 1: human human. How is it that you don't want me
Speaker 1: to learn like enslave people at one point couldn't learn
Speaker 1: it was a legal for them. To learn. Now in
Speaker 1: many places it's illegal to learn about enslave people. The
Speaker 1: only reason you don't want history chat is because you
Speaker 1: plan on repeating it. This is, this is, and so
Speaker 1: this is our fight for us to exist. And I
Speaker 1: think that people who are in the middle, you know,
Speaker 1: politics is tools. A gun is a tool that depends
Speaker 1: on who's hands it in what they're using it for.
Speaker 1: And so I just think it's a very serious thing.
Speaker 1: And I think that for me comedically, is it like
Speaker 1: when I when I told you when white people were mad,
Speaker 1: the little mermaid was like black, I'm like all them
Speaker 1: slaves you threw over where? It's got to be somebody black.
Speaker 1: When do you think that crab get his hair braided that?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's a Nigerian lady with a boothdown there
Speaker 1: right black caster oil. Often wonder, you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to all of that stuff, do they do they
Speaker 1: care about us learning about our history or do they
Speaker 1: care more about their kids learning about what? You know?
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I think I think I can't tell, But
Speaker 1: like when I see the things that happened, That's why
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that cowboys. I am because I am,
Speaker 1: not because I always hated him anyway, but I did.
Speaker 1: I did. But when we are going back in history
Speaker 1: and men Cosby went to Jai and I think he
Speaker 1: did it, and I'm not gonna even equivocate, but we
Speaker 1: went back fifty sixty years in his history. But Jerry Jones,
Speaker 1: we can't go back fifty sixty years in his history.
Speaker 1: He's held liable for the things he did back then,
Speaker 1: and so we have to have a consistent way of
Speaker 1: doing things. If you know Ray Ray Rice, he physically
Speaker 1: assaulted his wife, but Dana Dana White beat his wife
Speaker 1: and he get a commercial called I mean, he get
Speaker 1: a show called Slap Power Slap, So maybe that wasn't
Speaker 1: even an asshoe. But maybe that was just a promo.
Speaker 1: I don't know, But you can't tell me that we
Speaker 1: we looked through these things in the face and nobody
Speaker 1: says anything. And I just wonder why we can see
Speaker 1: things are obviously different for you, depending on them, where
Speaker 1: you come from, what your experiences are, and we pretend
Speaker 1: like we don't know who those things exist. And that's
Speaker 1: why for me, I'll be feeling like it's a slippery slope,
Speaker 1: right because it's like, damn, y'all go back and do
Speaker 1: that to Jerry Jones. You know who's gonna get the
Speaker 1: brand of that? Yeah? Us. Yeah, they start doing that,
Speaker 1: they start going all the way back. They already do,
Speaker 1: They already do when they can't. So when you get killed,
Speaker 1: you killed. A couple of times when a black person
Speaker 1: gets killed, they kill his memory, they kill everything he did, right,
Speaker 1: they kill his family. They have to kill him. A coward,
Speaker 1: they said, coward dies a thousand death. A black man
Speaker 1: dies two thousand because everything about him that was decent, good,
Speaker 1: or righteous they have to destroy. And we're complicity. And
Speaker 1: when we say things like black on black crime, crime
Speaker 1: is about proximity, the dangerous thing when it's a stranger,
Speaker 1: Why is it that we keep the notion alive that
Speaker 1: it is us that are particularly more insidious than anybody else.
Speaker 1: When they say, well, you know, we like crabs in
Speaker 1: the bucket. Crabs don't belong in the bucket. That's the problem.
Speaker 1: You put them in an environment anything would do that.
Speaker 1: The crime is not about color, or it's about poverty.
Speaker 1: Show me a safe poor place. But everybody always acts
Speaker 1: like we're particularly insidious. And when I hear people say it,
Speaker 1: it's so galling to me. They give credence to these
Speaker 1: these noses the board. The term black on black crime
Speaker 1: comes from a Chicago Defender article and what nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: where black Dude was talking about and they coined it,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden we used it on ourselves.
Speaker 1: I hate that one, and I hate we are on
Speaker 1: worse enemy nobody, No, not. You might be number two,
Speaker 1: but white supremacy number one. Absolutely, And everything is a
Speaker 1: result of that. Everything is a result of that. It's
Speaker 1: just it's not even hard for me. So for me
Speaker 1: the Daily Show, I'm gonna talk to and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make some people nerving. Would you want to do that permanently? Though?
Speaker 1: Only if I could do it my way? Okay, say
Speaker 1: this way. I want to say what I believe. You
Speaker 1: give up the road and everything. I would never give
Speaker 1: up the road, you know, because that's the only place
Speaker 1: I can't get fired from. Yeah, you ain't gonna mat
Speaker 1: and I got to be home with my family all
Speaker 1: the time. Oh No, does that make you nervous at all?
Speaker 1: With the road now, with everybody being so sensitive and
Speaker 1: with everybody's camera out. No, I think it's changing, man,
Speaker 1: I think it's really going back. I think people are
Speaker 1: over it. I think people are older. I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I think it's going
Speaker 1: back the well. You know, here's the thing. You can't
Speaker 1: really cancel anybody anyway. How many times it Tucker Carson
Speaker 1: been canceled, or Sean hadn't even cancer, or Kanye been canceled,
Speaker 1: you can't really cancel nobody people that we the people
Speaker 1: that gonna for them. All you gotta do is make
Speaker 1: a dope. Shoot how I don't know. People don't share
Speaker 1: the house. To me, I'm not with you no more ever.
Speaker 1: To me, it's a really simple thing. If you say
Speaker 1: the thing that enabled them to hurt my people, I
Speaker 1: will never put you again, ever on any level. And
Speaker 1: I never y'all never spoke after y'a would that night,
Speaker 1: the night when all this happen. We can't talk after
Speaker 1: that because it evolved into a shouting match. Listen. I
Speaker 1: think much like we're holding the policeman who did these
Speaker 1: things responsible, even though they were black, we have to
Speaker 1: hold people that harm us because they're black, holding minor spot.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me it's a mental illness, because if it was,
Speaker 1: Delonte West would be saying the same to Kanye West,
Speaker 1: dude and that lived under the bridge. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, when you're all crazy, you gotta be to
Speaker 1: make a car dash if the white dude, you know
Speaker 1: what that is? He literally up the stereotype. Once you
Speaker 1: go black, you never go back unless I mean unless
Speaker 1: you go away. You could say the most harmful ever
Speaker 1: that Hitler. All of you you humanize Hitler and you
Speaker 1: forget you at black children and you're dating a woman
Speaker 1: from the Coccus Mountains. But it isn't what he says
Speaker 1: is what they he literally emboldens and now they're using
Speaker 1: the words he's say to hurt people to look like me?
Speaker 1: Are you will bother me to most about that situation?
Speaker 1: You know whether regardless how you feel about Jewish people,
Speaker 1: if you black man? What about the stuff he said
Speaker 1: about rules of park, this stuff he said about Malcolm
Speaker 1: Max What what like? Come on, bro, like what what
Speaker 1: is what he said about George? And here's the thing
Speaker 1: that that makes me man, when when those types say
Speaker 1: things about George Floyd. If you're in the medium you're
Speaker 1: making in terms of advertisement dollars before George Floyd, look
Speaker 1: at it after you were getting No matter what the
Speaker 1: platform you're on. I don't care because even if they
Speaker 1: were gonna make up marking by they did hated more
Speaker 1: of it to the African American market, all because of
Speaker 1: the whole George Floyd thing. So people that shall over
Speaker 1: him and eat off the corpses they bury or even
Speaker 1: more in cities because they know it's no denying that
Speaker 1: that black body was green. You got rich because of that.
Speaker 1: If you give him money out the platforms, you gotta
Speaker 1: make sure an x amount of his conservative platform to
Speaker 1: if they're black. So stop telling me he made people
Speaker 1: make way more money than they were making. Pretend gen
Speaker 1: you get advertised you never got before. I know exactly
Speaker 1: exactly they needed black alliances, so they needed to hide
Speaker 1: more so from that black black body being slain like that.
Speaker 1: You have you had a financial windfall and you were
Speaker 1: stall over him. Thank you forever whatever. I mean that
Speaker 1: from the bottom of my heart. It's a real thing
Speaker 1: for me. All I well, don't move. We got more
Speaker 1: with DL Hughley when we come back. It's the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: Good morning morning. Everybody's DJ NV Charlemagne the guy we are.
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club was to kid with DL Hugh Glee Charlemagne.
Speaker 1: What's harder doing the daily show that remember remember the
Speaker 1: CNN show. People forget that you had a CNN show back.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't nothing. Nothing is hard for me
Speaker 1: if you don't with me, and they have a great
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the staff over there, there a machine.
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing. Yeah, you're just inserting yourself
Speaker 1: into something else. And they could do that for anybody.
Speaker 1: There a machine. To me, it only matters to me.
Speaker 1: The only thing that matters to me is when events
Speaker 1: like this because I don't want to have fun. I
Speaker 1: want to do jokes. I do, But when the events
Speaker 1: like this happened, I want you want to do? Yeah
Speaker 1: I do. I want to. I want to have fun
Speaker 1: and hang out. I do. But great job. But they
Speaker 1: need to be somebody not my hes spirits aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: And I'm feel entitled to speak about these because I've
Speaker 1: seen it, I've been through it, and I just want
Speaker 1: whatever whoever they get. You gotta be able to be ambidextrous.
Speaker 1: I can bat right or left, we can be lighter,
Speaker 1: would be heavy. But when things like this happened. You know,
Speaker 1: there's sixty eight percent of Americans have their political views
Speaker 1: shaped by satire, which is coming absolutely. Why would yeah?
Speaker 1: Why would I not? When when I'm almost like this,
Speaker 1: it's these moments aren't just bang glorious. Comedy is a reflection.
Speaker 1: We're showing people things when it's done right, when it's done.
Speaker 1: And I just want whoever doesn't And all these guys
Speaker 1: are very talented, but they speak about things from twenty
Speaker 1: thousand feet up. I want somebody who's who's been in
Speaker 1: the trenches and seeing what happened. Do you ever get tired?
Speaker 1: Because you know, if you follow DL, you post everything
Speaker 1: that's going on in the community, and a lot of it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's depressing, and I'm like, damn, do you ever
Speaker 1: get tired? Do you have to take a mental break? Sometimes? No,
Speaker 1: because you know it's funny. My wife don't like to
Speaker 1: talk to me. My kids be like, guy, call people
Speaker 1: five o'clock. I guess what, Guess what happened when you
Speaker 1: and I and I and I commend you for even
Speaker 1: talking about having to take a mental break. But for me,
Speaker 1: it is irresponsible to know a thing, to believe a thing,
Speaker 1: and to not say a thing. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So to me, it's irresponsible, But I do feel like
Speaker 1: all the DMS you get, did you know this story?
Speaker 1: It's like I telling being Crump, I like this is
Speaker 1: like that kid on sixth cents. I see dead people
Speaker 1: all time, Like nobody ever tells me good. And you
Speaker 1: feel like you gotta speak for people or like even
Speaker 1: somebody like being Crump, Like being Crump gets a lot
Speaker 1: of flat. But I'm like, well who else is doing
Speaker 1: the work? Yeah? You know what I'm saying, ain't been
Speaker 1: It ain't been fault that he's the black Lloyd to
Speaker 1: go to for everybody. Why don't people stop? You know,
Speaker 1: it's funny mccari Sellers has stepped up a lot too,
Speaker 1: And I like and I think, I think, I think.
Speaker 1: What's funny to me is like I should be proud
Speaker 1: in theory that two black men were running for the
Speaker 1: sinning in Georgia, but when it's such a disparity, Like
Speaker 1: I have a simple rule. If I can beat you
Speaker 1: in the spelling, be you can't have my vote. Like
Speaker 1: to be a spokeperson, you gotta know how to spoke.
Speaker 1: Like every time they dude say anything, I thought about
Speaker 1: the fat out but just this is just say hate
Speaker 1: for you. But guy, not only do I think Herschel
Speaker 1: Walkers should never have been even close to being a senator.
Speaker 1: I don't think they should lead get home with the
Speaker 1: pilot like them. I ain't a lot of somebody dropping
Speaker 1: the battle. Herschel need to be somebody political pundit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I need to see Herschel on TV right, we're talking
Speaker 1: during the even Why FO not put him on yet?
Speaker 1: Because because here's the thing. They would never hire him
Speaker 1: for their company or let him date that out but
Speaker 1: he was okay, never he would never be the spokesperson
Speaker 1: for their company or or a member of their family.
Speaker 1: But I don't even blame Herchel because from the moment
Speaker 1: he showed any level of aptitude, he was taken away
Speaker 1: from black people. He was giving deferential treat He was
Speaker 1: this dude could beat the white woman. You see that
Speaker 1: he could actually beat white woman. And he didn't even
Speaker 1: date in the white This dude could be white women
Speaker 1: and nobody and everybody know it and still will for him.
Speaker 1: Whatever he did transcended race. If I had that experience,
Speaker 1: of course I went to I think that it did exist. Well,
Speaker 1: I would say it transcends race untill he does it.
Speaker 1: You know, Herchel went from the sticks to white women.
Speaker 1: I'm telling him, who ain't never um. They didn't even
Speaker 1: get mad at everything you said about it. Literally, if
Speaker 1: we're Donald Trump is everything they hate about black people,
Speaker 1: but they love him everything. Like he lies, he don't
Speaker 1: pay his bills, he got kicked out of the the public
Speaker 1: houses and got evicted when leaves and stole from work
Speaker 1: his last day, but they love him. You know what
Speaker 1: do I do say? That's one thing I feel like
Speaker 1: we should learn from Republicans, Like they don't focus on individualism, no,
Speaker 1: because they know that collectively, if Trump president, he gonna
Speaker 1: do that. If hershe was the sence he gonna do.
Speaker 1: We focused too much on individualism, Like I think we
Speaker 1: should start focusing on the collective or make the country
Speaker 1: see the world the way we do. I cannot stand
Speaker 1: to that that I'm living in a world where I
Speaker 1: have a granddaughter and children and I am I am
Speaker 1: watching and I can't stand that I can't seem to
Speaker 1: make the world better for the people I love. That's
Speaker 1: that's that's what's frustrating to me, And that that you
Speaker 1: are nobody by by evolving by being who you are,
Speaker 1: but a part that I played in it. Like when
Speaker 1: I saw what they did to Megan the Stallion, Like,
Speaker 1: there's three things black people should just oj did it?
Speaker 1: Kanye haste and Tory shot make it? Yeah, those shouldn't
Speaker 1: be controverse. Well, yeah, because it's not just think it's
Speaker 1: like that hard. Most man who was shot in America
Speaker 1: shot by who somebody loved them or said they did
Speaker 1: or knock them off or did whatever. And most men
Speaker 1: who've been violent or be bothered again, right, that's like
Speaker 1: those are pretty consistent thing. But people contorted themselves to
Speaker 1: make some kind of conspiratorial thing when sometimes the most
Speaker 1: obvious thing is the truest. I agree with you whole heartily,
Speaker 1: and I you know me and if he had this
Speaker 1: conversation because you know, I saw we had the police
Speaker 1: documents off here way before they were public, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh he did, just like you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: But but I think the problem is the Internet. I
Speaker 1: really do. I think the Internet. Like when michaelm X
Speaker 1: said the media is the most powerful tool in the
Speaker 1: world because it can make the innocent guilty and guilt innocent.
Speaker 1: There's nothing doing that better than the Internet. The only
Speaker 1: thing that bothers me about when anybody says that anything happened,
Speaker 1: it's always three sides to the story, right. It's the
Speaker 1: right person on the right side of the person on
Speaker 1: left side, and then there's the truth right, and then
Speaker 1: there's the evidence. But don't read the information from the internet.
Speaker 1: But the internet is difficult sometimes because they put out
Speaker 1: so much that ain't true. That's my purpose purpose. It's
Speaker 1: three things that mad people in the whole tip got
Speaker 1: in calm. They hate evidence, proof, proof, the fact that
Speaker 1: you have well you don't know, okay, well see, and
Speaker 1: that's a At one point, I can't even have a
Speaker 1: conversation with you my last thing before you get to
Speaker 1: your last thing. I got a question. I see you
Speaker 1: in shape, baby, I'm not. It's not I did put
Speaker 1: bourbon now I picked up tequila baby, so passed the
Speaker 1: Why had challenge you to a fight? Is that why
Speaker 1: you're in shape? You know that you're going to jail.
Speaker 1: J You need to be warming up with some mother's fights.
Speaker 1: You got at that's so funny to me. This is
Speaker 1: what happened. He called my exact skipcheet of my exactive producer.
Speaker 1: They wanted to be on the show. I said, that's
Speaker 1: not a good idea because I think you are Charlotte
Speaker 1: or told as people, no, it's gonna be cool. And
Speaker 1: sure enough what happened. We had this argument. He got mad,
Speaker 1: I want to fight you? All right, Well, he said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a celebrity box back, like who's at
Speaker 1: the celebrity like you you famous for getting robbed on TV?
Speaker 1: That's not a TV show, that's not a TV show.
Speaker 1: And now what is he indicted for? Something? Right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would say it's interesting to how black women are
Speaker 1: really in terms of the legal on the legal front
Speaker 1: they like in Atlanta and in Michigan, and with some
Speaker 1: black women in jail not playing man, young, thug and gun.
Speaker 1: If your name is you, are you gonna go to jail?
Speaker 1: I know that. Lord a mercy. This is what people
Speaker 1: don't get. If you rap about something that didn't happen,
Speaker 1: that's artistic expression. Can wrap about something that did that's
Speaker 1: a confession. That's a confession up. And stitches don't get sches,
Speaker 1: they get immunity for prosecution. Snitch is a home by Christmas. Yeah, well, DL,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us. You could check them on
Speaker 1: the that's right, And if you wanted, I hope you
Speaker 1: get it, you know what I'm saying. No, I want
Speaker 1: to do a top show, but I want to do
Speaker 1: it the way I do it. Yeah, you've done CNN,
Speaker 1: you did TV one. Yeah. Yeah, so with dealing it though, baby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Del Hugley. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, any
Speaker 1: Charlemagne the guy? We are the Breakfast Club. It's Charlemagne
Speaker 1: and I've been talking and we set for Friday. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do a segment called pass the US. Listen, we're old, right,
Speaker 1: we both were born Okay, you're older than me, so
Speaker 1: what does that make you? But we both are born
Speaker 1: in the nineteen hundreds, right correctly. You remember last year
Speaker 1: I came in here with the ski mask on. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: am I too old? You know to be listening to
Speaker 1: young music? You know what I mean? And I remember
Speaker 1: I still excuse me, I still like a lot of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Right, So you know, on Friday's new music
Speaker 1: comes out, and you know, we got a very young
Speaker 1: up I don't evenna say up and coming nine now.
Speaker 1: I's still up and coming, right, But she's here. She's
Speaker 1: here now, she's generation now, but she's still up and coming.
Speaker 1: Man and you know, she got a very good air
Speaker 1: for music, and I decided let's do a segment call
Speaker 1: yeah called past the alswere you know, we bring people
Speaker 1: up like Nala. Now it's gonna be holding it down
Speaker 1: where she's gonna tell us what's popping out there, what's new?
Speaker 1: She's gonna be listening to some of the albums that
Speaker 1: we might not have time for, oh might not care about.
Speaker 1: And she's an actual DJ. Yess yes, yes, So so
Speaker 1: what do we got to tell here? Were passing you
Speaker 1: the os? What's popping? What are we listening to? First?
Speaker 1: All right, so first I wanted to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to Scissors SOS project, which has been number one forever,
Speaker 1: it seems like for seven weeks straight. Yes, so shout
Speaker 1: out to Sissa. And at first I wasn't really feeling
Speaker 1: the project. I'm glad you said that, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have to because I was about to get on your
Speaker 1: At first, I wasn't really feeling the project, but it
Speaker 1: grew on me. And I know the fan favorite is Snooze,
Speaker 1: but I really really like Love Language and I just
Speaker 1: wanted to shine someone on that record. All right, well,
Speaker 1: let's get into it now. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was sis. I'm glad that you came around on Sissa.
Speaker 1: That was a snippet of Sissior. What else we got? Ship?
Speaker 1: People should be looking out. I was telling you sizzl
Speaker 1: was fire, all right? No, I think scissors fire. I
Speaker 1: just like control better. I think I had the same
Speaker 1: Tell them why you said you didn't like the new album?
Speaker 1: Tell him you say who you felt the album was four?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. That was so long ago. First reaction.
Speaker 1: First reactions don't really count what you got. Jesus um
Speaker 1: he's lying, by the way. So the second project I
Speaker 1: want to highlight. I wasn't gonna do Little Yaddi, but
Speaker 1: I think it's still grown on me, and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't want to be a hater because I see
Speaker 1: how he attacked Pitchfork, So I'm gonna I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: it some time. So I'm gonna talk about Sweno's project,
Speaker 1: which actually dropped in November. It's called Love for Rent.
Speaker 1: But that project is amazing. I don't know, it's growing
Speaker 1: and Smeeno he's from Saint Louis. He went to college
Speaker 1: in Chicago, and I think he got his buzz musically
Speaker 1: in Chicago. But now he's on tour with Ji D.
Speaker 1: They're on the Love for Rent tour and I'm a
Speaker 1: big fan of him. He's not mainstream, but he should be.
Speaker 1: He's great. So um, it's been three months and each
Speaker 1: week I feel like I find a new song on
Speaker 1: the project that I love. But right now on repeat
Speaker 1: is Lee and Lovely Lee and Lovely. Yeah that sound
Speaker 1: like a haircare product. That sounding what was keeping your
Speaker 1: ages held down? Right now? You know, shout out to
Speaker 1: um or ask please send me some products up. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get into it. Here's Smeno, Lee and Lovely off
Speaker 1: of Love for All. Right, well, now let's do here.
Speaker 1: This is past. This is something that we're gonna be
Speaker 1: doing Fridays. Uh usually in a nine o'clock hour, I guess.
Speaker 1: But this is Black History moth, so we have Black
Speaker 1: History moment, so we're doing it right now. During the
Speaker 1: room report, what is Seno? So now let's here with
Speaker 1: holding with passing the Austen So what's next? That was Smeno? Right,
Speaker 1: that was from St. Louis. He's from Saint Louis and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep itself. So I did like a new
Speaker 1: music submission and allow artists to just send me music
Speaker 1: from all over. I wouldn't do that. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: a lot of trash for good Man hours. I'm so
Speaker 1: far of trash. Hours of trash. Four hours in, I
Speaker 1: still haven't got through the list, but I thought I
Speaker 1: want to get into it. Here's Jehovah with Poppin. All right,
Speaker 1: that was past the als man from South Carolina from
Speaker 1: the Met eight oh three. I thank you from the Met.
Speaker 1: Give me an Instagram and all that stuff. Now, make
Speaker 1: sure you guys follow me on the Graham at N
Speaker 1: Y LA S Y M O N E E. And
Speaker 1: if you guys are in New York City February tenth,
Speaker 1: I'm having a party Friday at mister Purple. It's a
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Speaker 1: if you guys can. If you like funk and you
Speaker 1: like hip hop, like nineties Hip Poppins, and that's that's listening.
Speaker 1: If if you like her playlist, you can hit that live.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah. When we come back, Charletagne's giving somebody
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Speaker 1: on Peak Cope. It's time for Donkey of the Day
Speaker 1: time a Democrat, So being Dunky of the Day is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a mixed club. So like a
Speaker 1: Donkey o the daytor club bitches. Now I've been called
Speaker 1: a lot of my twenty three years. That Donkey of
Speaker 1: the Day is a new wife. Donky of to Day
Speaker 1: for Friday in February third goes to Turning Point USA
Speaker 1: at Clemson University dropped when the clues bombs for the
Speaker 1: Upstate of Southway six four on What's Happening for the record,
Speaker 1: I love my entire state of South Carolina, but I
Speaker 1: represent the low country eight four three all day and
Speaker 1: the eight oh three, the metro home of the South
Speaker 1: Carolina game Cocks drop on the clues bombs for the
Speaker 1: South Carolina games. I can't even let the words Clemson
Speaker 1: come out of my mouth without saluting the gardener in
Speaker 1: black of the South Carolina game. Conso, okay, that's my
Speaker 1: wife's almamada. By the way. Now, now that we got
Speaker 1: that out the way, let's handle business all right. It
Speaker 1: is indeed the third day of Black History Month, and
Speaker 1: I've been waiting. I've been waiting for the foolishness that
Speaker 1: surrounds any celebration of blackness to begin, especially when you
Speaker 1: have Ron de sciantists bullying the College Board into scripping
Speaker 1: down this ap curriculum for African American studies, and when
Speaker 1: you have conservative ledged states in school districts banning so
Speaker 1: called critical ray theory. Yes, thirty percent of educators in
Speaker 1: red states have limited discussions of black history. So in
Speaker 1: a minute, they gonna get rid of this month all together.
Speaker 1: Always coming, baby, Black History Month gonna be Black History
Speaker 1: Week by twenty twenty four and Black History Day by
Speaker 1: two thousan twenty five. I can see it now. It's
Speaker 1: already the shortest month of the year. And if someone
Speaker 1: like the scientists gets in that White House in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, you can kiss black History mouff Goldbay, Trust
Speaker 1: and belief. All Right, it's already the shortest month of
Speaker 1: the year. And the reason they put it right before
Speaker 1: March is because they know that's all black people are
Speaker 1: gonna do in regards to the injustice we're facing this country.
Speaker 1: That's what happens. We learn about what's happening with us
Speaker 1: and to us, and then we march the history of
Speaker 1: who we are in marching go hand in hand. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not a coincidence marches the month after Black History. Now,
Speaker 1: stay woken, matter of fact, go get a nap. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll be joining you shortly because I'm tired, all right.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of us being the most unseerious country on
Speaker 1: the planet. All Right, We just out here, bro Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody just doing things. Okay, there's absolutely no thought going
Speaker 1: into nothing. Everybody is doing Okay. It feels like they're
Speaker 1: just trying to get into the It feels like everybody's
Speaker 1: just trying to get into the Rock Control Hall of Fame. Okay,
Speaker 1: nothing feels real. Everything feels like one long terrible SNL sketch.
Speaker 1: And you know SNL be having some long terrible sketches.
Speaker 1: And today's no exception because Turning Point USA at Clemson
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago, actually on the first day
Speaker 1: of Black History Month, decided to have a big sale,
Speaker 1: not just any kind of big sale though. Let's go
Speaker 1: to WYF News Channel four for the report policely on
Speaker 1: for an affirmative action bake sale at Clemson University today
Speaker 1: left a number of students upset. Carol Nigel. Turning Point
Speaker 1: USA at Clemson says it held the event and opposition
Speaker 1: of affirmative action, and photo sent to WYF News for
Speaker 1: it shows a poster with prices for the cookies varying
Speaker 1: based on a person's race. The comments on the organization's
Speaker 1: Instagram post called the poster racist, disturbing and bringing up
Speaker 1: that it was put up on the first day of
Speaker 1: Black History Month. One student had this to say, I
Speaker 1: was shocked, like because I didn't think Clemson would allow
Speaker 1: something like happen on campus. The fact they had prices,
Speaker 1: the prices in it being the first day of Black
Speaker 1: History Month, Like, I feel like that was very much
Speaker 1: planned out, Like it was very strategic the way they
Speaker 1: did that. An affirmative action bakesale. I repeat, an affirmative
Speaker 1: action bake sale now I'm not the highest grade of
Speaker 1: weed in the dispensary. But last I checked, affirmative action
Speaker 1: was defined as a set of procedures designed to eliminate
Speaker 1: unlawful discrimination among applicants, remedy the results of such prior discrimination,
Speaker 1: and prevent discrimination in the future. All of that is great,
Speaker 1: But what the hell that got to do with cookies?
Speaker 1: Turning point USA at Clemson? Okay, these fools had a
Speaker 1: sign showing each cookie at a different price based on
Speaker 1: the customers race. All right, These fools had Asian cookies
Speaker 1: at a dollar fifty, White cookies for a dollar, Hispanic
Speaker 1: cookies for a Curtis Jackson Black cookies for twenty cents,
Speaker 1: and Native American cookies free. I'm just glad they didn't
Speaker 1: do thin cookies like this. Could have been way worse.
Speaker 1: They just had regular cookies like chocolate chip or mule
Speaker 1: raised and peanut butter. But they could have jumped out
Speaker 1: the window and had fortune cookies for Asians. Okay, large
Speaker 1: chunks of cooked meth commonly called meth cookies for the whites,
Speaker 1: and biscuits aka ed word cookies for black people. Welcome
Speaker 1: to Popeyes, chicken and Edward cookies not take your order.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, listen, man, here's the thing. Turning Point USA.
Speaker 1: Clemson said they held this event in opposition to affirmative action.
Speaker 1: It's a debate as old as time, folks. Okay, people
Speaker 1: who oppose affirmative action say that it is unfair to
Speaker 1: use race as a consideration and admitting students to a
Speaker 1: college of university. Opponents of affirmative action to say that
Speaker 1: this reverse discrimination, and that's wrong for the government ever
Speaker 1: to use race in regards to giving out benefits like
Speaker 1: government contracts, jobs, our admissions to school. I love when
Speaker 1: people use the term reverse discrimination because it's usually the
Speaker 1: people who use that term who try to gaslight you
Speaker 1: and tell you racial discrimination is a figment of our
Speaker 1: imaginations in the first place, and this is how they
Speaker 1: try to gaslight you. Okay, Clemson TPUSAH chapter said debate
Speaker 1: sale was in an effort to highlight what takes place
Speaker 1: at other universities like Harvard and UNC and that it
Speaker 1: was not targeting Clemson. Let me tell you something, Turning
Speaker 1: Point USA. At Clemson, if y'all don't shut the f
Speaker 1: up forever, what the hell do people at Clemson care
Speaker 1: about what's going on at Harvard in UNC. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you care about what's going on at Harvard and UNC,
Speaker 1: take that bake sale and stay last cookies to UNC.
Speaker 1: Okay four hours and sixteen minutes drive via I eighty
Speaker 1: five North by Okay, Clemson, Clemson, turn Upoint USA. You
Speaker 1: want to go to Harvard fifteen hours and fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: drive via eighty five North and I ninety five North. Buy, Okay. Go.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna make up reasons to do stuff like this,
Speaker 1: at least make up decent ones. Okay, at least make
Speaker 1: up ones that makes sense. Are you trying to highlight
Speaker 1: what happens at two other schools at your school? Aboord mission,
Speaker 1: I've seen enough? Okay, and look, I totally disagree with
Speaker 1: your stands on affirmative action. Okay. Instead of whipping up
Speaker 1: a fresh table of cookies, how about to simply explain
Speaker 1: to me why you are opposed to affirmative action. I
Speaker 1: would love to hear an intelligent, non racist response, but
Speaker 1: we know we will never get that because there isn't one.
Speaker 1: That's why Turning Point USA at Clemson has to resort
Speaker 1: the silly ass soft batch stunts like this. Please, Turning
Speaker 1: Point USA at Clemson, the biggest. He are all right, Charlomagne,
Speaker 1: thank you for that donkey of the day. Now, when
Speaker 1: we come back, we have author trainer Jason Wilson. He's
Speaker 1: been up here before. We're gonna talk to him again.
Speaker 1: He has a new documentary. We're gonna kick it about.
Speaker 1: It's The Breakfast Club. Good morning, the Breakfast Club. I
Speaker 1: want to get everybody is dj n V Charlomagne the guy.
Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest
Speaker 1: in the building. Man, one of the most necessary black
Speaker 1: men walk in the face of the earth, Brother Jason Willson. Welcome, brother, brother.
Speaker 1: How are you doing that? How you finally? You weren't here?
Speaker 1: I wasn't here last time. No, No, I wasn't here
Speaker 1: last time. I was on the road. Wow. A pleasure
Speaker 1: to meet for people that don't know who you are.
Speaker 1: You want to just break down quickly what you do,
Speaker 1: who you are, and some of your history. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: my name is Jason Wilson. I'm author of best selling
Speaker 1: books Cry Like a Man, Breaking Fighting for Freedom from
Speaker 1: Emotional Incarceration, and my second book is Battle Cry, Waging
Speaker 1: and Winning the War Within. I'm also as a founder
Speaker 1: and CEO of a nonprofit called the Union Base in Detroit,
Speaker 1: which under this umbrella is the Cave of Adullam Transformation
Speaker 1: or Training Academy. But we helped boys navigate through their
Speaker 1: emotions without succumbing to them. In the world is full
Speaker 1: of pressure, you know. You know, we didn't talk about
Speaker 1: this a lot last time. We did, but not really.
Speaker 1: People don't know your background, and well if you they've
Speaker 1: read your books, they know your background. But how you
Speaker 1: evolved as a human and got to the Jason Wilson,
Speaker 1: we know, like you was in the street. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I never was a thug, but I hung
Speaker 1: around those who were in gangs in my community. You know.
Speaker 1: Again it was I didn't have a father, so and
Speaker 1: my brothers, two of them were murdered, actually one at
Speaker 1: that time when I was younger. Then my other brother
Speaker 1: moved to Texas. So I needed the camaraderie and so
Speaker 1: I hung around everyone who was in the games. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't like actively in it. However, I risked my
Speaker 1: life many times trying to fit this mode of what
Speaker 1: it is to be a thug. And then after losing
Speaker 1: a lot of friends to violence, and then more importantly
Speaker 1: answering my call to the most high. That's when my
Speaker 1: life completely changed into the man that I am today.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the turning point? Like do you remember
Speaker 1: that that like bug moment? It took me almost dying
Speaker 1: twice and then those incidents being connected to prophetic you
Speaker 1: know words. So basically, one time I was driving a
Speaker 1: good friend of mine's truck. At the time, he was
Speaker 1: the number one draft pick in the NBA, and he
Speaker 1: told me his mother told him not to drive the truck,
Speaker 1: but he allowed me to drive it to go to
Speaker 1: the studio because she said someone had to get an accident.
Speaker 1: That someone was me. So when I was driving back
Speaker 1: from the studio brothers, a car start right in front
Speaker 1: of me, and by the time I got up on it,
Speaker 1: it was I was driving a fore run of truck
Speaker 1: and at the time they were top heavy, So when
Speaker 1: I I went to swerve, the truck flipped over two times.
Speaker 1: Some ruth opened windows down, sounds blasting, and I survived.
Speaker 1: But what he struck you myself? Yes, So when he
Speaker 1: came into the emergency room screaming and crying like dog,
Speaker 1: you know you gotta listen, I'm like, dude, I'm finally
Speaker 1: just got me on this board just in case I
Speaker 1: have any damage vertebrates. He says, no, my mother told
Speaker 1: me this was going to happen, and you gotta answer
Speaker 1: your call. But even then I still didn't listen. So
Speaker 1: fast forward another maybe four years. I'm working for Coca
Speaker 1: Cola and I'm talking to Nicole, who is my wife now,
Speaker 1: and I'm upset brother, because I'm working twelve hour days.
Speaker 1: I'm gifted in music and it's helping mentoring young boys,
Speaker 1: but yet I'm in this plant all day. And so
Speaker 1: we're on the phone and I said, you know what,
Speaker 1: God ain't real, so don't tell me about praying or
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. Because if he was real, why
Speaker 1: I'm in here wasting my life where I can't even
Speaker 1: spend time with my daughter. I hang the phone up.
Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, I go, like every night, to the
Speaker 1: Palette truck. For the first time, the driver didn't lock
Speaker 1: the brakes on the semi. I hit the back of
Speaker 1: the truck with my high low couldn't get on it first,
Speaker 1: back up. I'm angry because I couldn't get on. Then
Speaker 1: I hit it again and I'm able to get on,
Speaker 1: but this time because the brakes weren't chalked or locked.
Speaker 1: The bed of the truck pushed away from me, but
Speaker 1: I was leaving the dock. High Low falls to her
Speaker 1: needed this fall off the high low the truck. The
Speaker 1: back of the truck was about to roll back on me,
Speaker 1: but the forks of the high low dropped down and
Speaker 1: stop the truck. And then my friend gets inside the
Speaker 1: high low to hit the brakes on that so it
Speaker 1: wouldn't crush me. At that point, I looked up to
Speaker 1: the sky and I said, most high, I said, I
Speaker 1: never go against you again. Wow. Literally, we're trying to
Speaker 1: buy a house where we're getting married. The week before
Speaker 1: we had to close the truck and company wanted to
Speaker 1: settle with me, and that's how we had the money
Speaker 1: to close on the house. And ever since then, Brothers,
Speaker 1: I haven't looked back. You know, truthfully, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: a guy that just like keeping my hands to the plow.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a blessing that I haven't opportunity
Speaker 1: to share what has happened in my life so it
Speaker 1: can inspire others. But I never desired any of the attention,
Speaker 1: or rather just the lights cut off and I do
Speaker 1: what I need to do. And what got you into
Speaker 1: martial arts. Always desired you know, my father was in
Speaker 1: the same city but wasn't actively in my life. So
Speaker 1: I desired to have that man, you know, teach me
Speaker 1: not only how to fight, every boy wants to learn
Speaker 1: how to defend himself. But it was when you see
Speaker 1: the old Marshal Art movies, you see the since walking
Speaker 1: along with them, helping them throughout life, and I yearned
Speaker 1: for that and I didn't have it. Even when I
Speaker 1: first started martial arts in my backyard, I didn't have
Speaker 1: a teacher. I kind of felt like David and the
Speaker 1: scriptures where the most high it's testified as the one
Speaker 1: who trained him for war. But then after that moment,
Speaker 1: I started seeking going into marshal Art schools, and it
Speaker 1: the challenge of facing your fears, you know, facing your anxieties,
Speaker 1: your insecurities. In sports you can kind of hide from it,
Speaker 1: and martial arts when the punch coming at you, a
Speaker 1: kick and elboy, someone's trying to choke you or take
Speaker 1: your back like in jiu jitsu, you got to be
Speaker 1: able to stay calm enough to be able to counter
Speaker 1: all of that. And so that journey just never stopped
Speaker 1: even now, as a man, I still have what we
Speaker 1: call a moment on a mat. We even have fathers
Speaker 1: who would get on the train in the cave and
Speaker 1: their breakdown crying because a certain technique or training take
Speaker 1: them back to a moment in their childhood where it's painful.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, right because you know when I hear you
Speaker 1: tell your story, or I think about stories of evolution,
Speaker 1: like you know, Malcolm Max, so I think about anything
Speaker 1: that we've even been through. It feels like this generation
Speaker 1: of kids aren't getting the opportunity to make the same mistake. Well,
Speaker 1: a big shout out to Orange, New Jersey. We was
Speaker 1: just there yesterday, superintended Abdul Salim Hassan. He was reading
Speaker 1: my book Battle Cry. This brother is so active in
Speaker 1: the community man, he has father groups. One of the
Speaker 1: main things the thing we were talking about is that
Speaker 1: the boys didn't feel like they had enough grace to
Speaker 1: make a mistake. And so when a boy fears failure,
Speaker 1: he tries to play it safe. And as we know,
Speaker 1: the safe route for me, you know my ultimatum. If
Speaker 1: I couldn't have made it in music, because I also
Speaker 1: was a music producer, I was gonna sell drugs with
Speaker 1: my brother. Okay, because that was the quick way out.
Speaker 1: I can get money. He's a millionaire established in the streets,
Speaker 1: so I can make it happen. But to do things
Speaker 1: it's hard, like start a nonprofit, serve the community, be
Speaker 1: able to bless all my other friends with employment. My
Speaker 1: brother ron Lee Junior here has been with me my
Speaker 1: twenty two years. And so it was the boys, woman
Speaker 1: young man. I never forgot. He started showing his emotions
Speaker 1: because it's hard to get boys to express themselves in
Speaker 1: a culture that tells us that crying is weak for men.
Speaker 1: And I said, you know, where's your father? And that's
Speaker 1: when everything started pouring out of him. And I always
Speaker 1: get to my knees to make sure they know I'm
Speaker 1: all in for what you're talking about, and I welcome
Speaker 1: your tears. It was trial and error, trial and error learning,
Speaker 1: and he's not there, and then next thing you know,
Speaker 1: the other boys start opening up. And so in the
Speaker 1: cave what we do. The first thing you learn when
Speaker 1: you come to the Cave of Adullum is how to fall.
Speaker 1: So we teach you you though, but the life principle
Speaker 1: is if you know how to fall correctly, you can
Speaker 1: get back up. No matter how hard someone throws you.
Speaker 1: All right, well, don't move. We got more with Jason Wilson.
Speaker 1: When we come back. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning.
Speaker 1: Everybody is d Envy Charlemagne the guy we are to
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Were still kicking it with Jason Wilson. You
Speaker 1: talk about the cave. For people that don't know what
Speaker 1: that is, dull the Cave of Adullam. Explain to people
Speaker 1: what that is. There's also a new film, but for
Speaker 1: people are just tuning in, we're talking to Jason well
Speaker 1: and they might not know they hear you talk of
Speaker 1: the cave, or somebody wanted to join the cave to
Speaker 1: break down what that is, because if somebody might be
Speaker 1: confused right now. So the Cave of a Dullham historically
Speaker 1: is where David ran for his life, David in the Bible,
Speaker 1: who fought go life and became the king of israel Um.
Speaker 1: He ran to the Cave of Adullum, which is a
Speaker 1: cave in the city of a Dullam. And the story
Speaker 1: goes that one hundred men who were distressed, discontented, end
Speaker 1: in debt came to him and he became a captain.
Speaker 1: And what's beautiful about that history is that the way
Speaker 1: these men came into that cave, they didn't leave that way.
Speaker 1: When they left, they would call mighty men of balance.
Speaker 1: So the Cave of a Dulham presently is a transformational
Speaker 1: training academy in Detroit. Our mission is to teach, train,
Speaker 1: and transform uninitiated boys and the comprehensive men, men of
Speaker 1: the most high, men who are physically conscious, mentally astute,
Speaker 1: and spiraually strong enough to navigate through the pressures of
Speaker 1: this world without succumbing to their negative emotions. The brother
Speaker 1: to express himself, Yes, you know what I mean through
Speaker 1: through Marshal Larkson. He was crying, but he was coaching
Speaker 1: him through it. I was like, man, that's so powerful.
Speaker 1: And then that our Laurence Fitshburn connect. Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: it was even interesting about the video brother, because that
Speaker 1: happens a lot in our academy. So when it went viral,
Speaker 1: we had no idea what was going on. We had
Speaker 1: to shut our offices down for two days because men
Speaker 1: were calling all over the world and crying to our
Speaker 1: women's staff like I wish he was my coach. You know,
Speaker 1: I needed that growing up. You know the reason I'm
Speaker 1: this way now hold onto so much anger because I
Speaker 1: never was allowed to express those emotions and so that
Speaker 1: struck a chord that I had no idea that needed
Speaker 1: to be discussed. And so when that video went viral,
Speaker 1: I got contacted by three Hollywood producers, one of which
Speaker 1: was a gentleman named Roy Bank, who said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I think this story needs to be told fast forward
Speaker 1: him he met with Lawrence Fishburn one day. So when
Speaker 1: Lawrence saw it, he was just blown away because of
Speaker 1: his desire for having a ride of passage for our community.
Speaker 1: And the rest was history here and I became close
Speaker 1: like brothers, and he's definitely an advocate of what we do,
Speaker 1: and he sees the importance of helping a boy he needs.
Speaker 1: Every young boy needs a marking time, whether they said
Speaker 1: you're no longer allowed to do childish things. And this
Speaker 1: is why we have so many grown men and stuck
Speaker 1: in basements because we haven't gave them a ceremony. Say,
Speaker 1: this village needs to now treat such and such like
Speaker 1: a man. He has put away childish things now and
Speaker 1: he is now to be treated and giving responsibility. And
Speaker 1: so that's what our goal is in the cave, is
Speaker 1: to create this comprehensive boy, heal the boy, so we
Speaker 1: can stop into generational trauma and start into generational healing. Yes, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: Yes sir. And what's beautiful is that the fathers, I say,
Speaker 1: and every grown man is a broken boy inside. And
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas says it's easier to raise children than it
Speaker 1: is to repair broken men. How that is very true. However,
Speaker 1: we should not leave men broken, and so I have
Speaker 1: a passion for mending men, using the mat to heal
Speaker 1: the father in some relationship. Us as men of our era,
Speaker 1: we grew up, we had to be tough. Don't cry,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that shows that's a sign of weakness.
Speaker 1: And many times when I have recruits doing something completely different,
Speaker 1: like one instance, we would just doing falls breakfast and
Speaker 1: one of the young men was started crying, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what's wrong? And he kept looking at his dad and
Speaker 1: he looked back at me, and he kept looking at
Speaker 1: his dad and his dad as a boxer xboxer, And
Speaker 1: I called his father on him, man, and I shared
Speaker 1: with him what's going on. And he says, you know,
Speaker 1: he says, man, I pushed him away too hard. I said,
Speaker 1: we'll share that with him. And I sat both of
Speaker 1: them on the side and they were just hugging each
Speaker 1: other and talking because he needed to share his wounds
Speaker 1: with his own son. And so as long as a
Speaker 1: father fears vulnerability, our sons will grow up and start
Speaker 1: repressing what they feel. And then the cycle of being
Speaker 1: like unavailable emotionally for our wives continues, you know. And
Speaker 1: I know so many good men, especially millennial men, don't
Speaker 1: have mentors, and so they fear getting married because your
Speaker 1: Instagram profile is not your life. Eventually, she's going to
Speaker 1: see that you worried. She's going to see that you're
Speaker 1: fearful you got a father or your your mother wasn't there.
Speaker 1: And so as men, it's like, man, you know, they
Speaker 1: want to get their ducks in a row, which is admirable, Um,
Speaker 1: but I always ask him, when is the last time
Speaker 1: you've seen ducks in a row? You know what I mean? Seriously,
Speaker 1: you know. And our good friend, you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked me actually we were outside talking to him,
Speaker 1: and that was his reason for not marrying a woman.
Speaker 1: He longed for us in the row. He just wanted
Speaker 1: to have his finance as the house and everything. And
Speaker 1: I get that, and that makes sense, But you're about
Speaker 1: to lose this woman that you can get. And because
Speaker 1: he married her, they're doing great things right now. My
Speaker 1: wife and I got it together together. You know, we
Speaker 1: worked hard. She made more money than me. You gotta
Speaker 1: say that again. My wife and I got it together together,
Speaker 1: and so I wouldn't I didn't want to lose my
Speaker 1: wife for my producing dreams. But because she made more
Speaker 1: money than me didn't make me less of a man,
Speaker 1: less of a leader. I still led my home. I
Speaker 1: put her check in our bank account. And now you know,
Speaker 1: my wife learned too well. I learned to value myself
Speaker 1: more than from what I do. And that's why when
Speaker 1: I get approached by men, you know, I mean doctors,
Speaker 1: lawyers come up to me, crime man say, I don't
Speaker 1: feel valuable because we base everything on what we do
Speaker 1: instead of who we are, and that's why we work tirelessly.
Speaker 1: We adopted the grinding mentality, which is killing a lot
Speaker 1: of us. Let me ask, I want to go back
Speaker 1: to what you're saying, not to cut you off. I
Speaker 1: want to know you did cut him off. No, because
Speaker 1: I want to go back before because he's about to change.
Speaker 1: You were talking about the boxes. Yeah, and he was
Speaker 1: talking about his son and he said it he was
Speaker 1: too hard on his son. Now, now, how do you
Speaker 1: tell the people that come to the cave about pushing
Speaker 1: that child? Because we look at so many instances where
Speaker 1: our father pushes their child. And then we see greats,
Speaker 1: whether it's Beyonce or it's Michael Jackson, and you see
Speaker 1: a lot of these greats, but you also see it
Speaker 1: because they push their child to that limit. And you
Speaker 1: do understand that if that father didn't push that child,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have that. So, so how do you blur that?
Speaker 1: You know, depends on your definition of success? Is it
Speaker 1: money and a lack of peace, a lack of having
Speaker 1: true confidence that your parents really loved you. So I
Speaker 1: talked to a lot of successful people who families have
Speaker 1: pushed them, but yet they're struggling mentally right now because
Speaker 1: they didn't get the love. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And so it's like it's not even a fine line,
Speaker 1: you know, And so sometimes that pushing is abuse. Brother,
Speaker 1: I we don't move. We got more with Jason Wilson.
Speaker 1: When we come back, it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. The Breakfast Club is back. Where I
Speaker 1: want to be morning. Everybody is DJ Envy, Charlemagne the guy.
Speaker 1: We are the breakfast Club. We're still kicking it with
Speaker 1: Jason Wilson Charlemagne. No. You know what I love about God? Man,
Speaker 1: Like God is the best NOI in planner, Right. You
Speaker 1: think about this, This film The Cave of Iwa was
Speaker 1: pronouncing Cave of a Dullam exactly produced by Launce Fishburn.
Speaker 1: It's probably could have went anywhere. Look where it ended up. ESPN,
Speaker 1: the worldwide leader in sports, a network that you know
Speaker 1: so many men watch. Like God put that dock exactly
Speaker 1: where it needed to be for who needed to see
Speaker 1: absolutely man. And what's the blessing is when I get
Speaker 1: reached out to my NBA players or football players to
Speaker 1: see their transparency and wanting to grow, wanting to become
Speaker 1: better husbands and better fathers and better individuals. Man, it
Speaker 1: just makes the the hard work, the blood sweat, and
Speaker 1: literally the tears worth it, because you know we'll see
Speaker 1: the cars, the fame, top seventy five in history. But
Speaker 1: yet they're struggling behind the scenes. They're hurting. They want
Speaker 1: to say their marriage, they want to be more patient,
Speaker 1: they don't want to yell at their kids because they're
Speaker 1: running late at school, you know, for school, and so
Speaker 1: to be able to be a source of encouragement somewhat
Speaker 1: like a spiritual father to them all, and then for
Speaker 1: them to watch the Cave of a Dollar Cave of
Speaker 1: Adullum documentary and see themselves in one of those boys,
Speaker 1: and to finally have that healing cry to say, wow,
Speaker 1: I've been holding on a lot of this pain of
Speaker 1: how my father would always condemn me when I would
Speaker 1: make a mistake, or my mother was emotionally checked out
Speaker 1: because my brother was murdered, and I never really got
Speaker 1: that nurturing love, and then to get that healing and
Speaker 1: then to go back to your father and say, hey, Dad,
Speaker 1: I forgive you, I love you. Can we start fresh now?
Speaker 1: Or Mom, I completely understand why you guarded your heart
Speaker 1: because of the heaviness of the brokenness of you losing
Speaker 1: my brother and your son. And that's the beauty of
Speaker 1: the Cave documentary. It showcases that although as a people
Speaker 1: in our communities we experienced a lot of trauma, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be our experience, our entire experience. I
Speaker 1: want to go back to something you said earlier, because
Speaker 1: you know, NBA Young Boy just did an interview with
Speaker 1: Billboard and he expressed the same thing. And I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of people expressed this. I've expressed it myself,
Speaker 1: you know, just as far as you know, the content
Speaker 1: that we may have created as we were growing and evolving,
Speaker 1: and you know, you was talking about the music, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how much we should give ourselves a lot
Speaker 1: of grace in regards to the music we used to
Speaker 1: create or even the content we used to create, because
Speaker 1: we literally were doing the best with what we had
Speaker 1: and we were in survival mold and and I'm a
Speaker 1: type of person I feel like you got to give
Speaker 1: people grace when they're doing what they feel like they
Speaker 1: need to do to survive and not necessarily and what
Speaker 1: I mean, I can use my brother for example, he
Speaker 1: sold drugs because he needed he thought that's what he
Speaker 1: needed to do to survive. As a result, a lot
Speaker 1: of people lost their lives. So I can't really, you know,
Speaker 1: celebrate that, not celebrate that. But once he knew better,
Speaker 1: he started doing better. No he didn't. Oh man, he
Speaker 1: died terrible death and he didn't do better. And so
Speaker 1: again I didn't come out because I just I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew I was wrong. I knew I shouldn't have
Speaker 1: been doing what I was doing with my gift. But
Speaker 1: it was those two near death experiences that changed me.
Speaker 1: Now I do get what you're saying. Have enough great
Speaker 1: yourself to not condemn yourself for some wrong that you've done.
Speaker 1: Forgive yourself and move forward. But we still have to
Speaker 1: acknowledge that what we were doing was wrong, and that's
Speaker 1: the key. If not, you know, the next generation will
Speaker 1: keep doing it, and then the next generation. And we
Speaker 1: came up and what they considered a golden era of
Speaker 1: hip hop, you know. And so you look at the covers.
Speaker 1: I was just sharing this with the young kids yesterday.
Speaker 1: None of the rappers I love smile out on the
Speaker 1: album cover, and so we call it an asset framed marketing.
Speaker 1: So now in the cave where if you look at
Speaker 1: the first class picture, everyone was tough, Now all of
Speaker 1: my boys smile because it's imperative that we changed this narrative.
Speaker 1: And so what's wrong with smiling? You know? You what,
Speaker 1: you don't want to be perceived as a joke. You know,
Speaker 1: I know guys that have smiled, You wouldn't stand one
Speaker 1: minute with them, in a ring or on a map.
Speaker 1: It does not dictate who you are as a man.
Speaker 1: So I want to be compassionate, but also want to
Speaker 1: be courageous. I want to be sincere, but I want
Speaker 1: to be strong. And so that's what I want to
Speaker 1: model for boys and men, because at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, none of us want to stay in what
Speaker 1: I call like lyon mold or fight a flight where
Speaker 1: you gotta be grimming all the time and tough looking
Speaker 1: over your shoulder. I have to be that way when
Speaker 1: I have to be. But I want to live in
Speaker 1: the lamb. I want to be at peace. I want
Speaker 1: to chill in the green pastures as long as I can. However,
Speaker 1: when a predator comes or threat comes, the lion will
Speaker 1: arise and defend the pride. And that's the importance of
Speaker 1: us as men to model that. Even in the hip
Speaker 1: hop culture, like a lot of rappers that reach out
Speaker 1: to me I was like a fan of and so
Speaker 1: it blesses me to hear them say, man, I really
Speaker 1: respect what you're doing, and I want to become that
Speaker 1: type of man. And as you know, from the survival
Speaker 1: standpoint and hip hop, many of us did what we
Speaker 1: had to do to eat, But a lot of that
Speaker 1: was in a dream. We want to be rich, we
Speaker 1: want to be paid. And truth be told, in Detroit,
Speaker 1: the majority of drug dealers, I knew they didn't have
Speaker 1: to sell drugs. Yeah, so drugs because you got props
Speaker 1: from it, you got women, you got the cars. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a necessity to eat. But that all comes from
Speaker 1: a place of lack right, not necessarily lack of financi affirmation.
Speaker 1: Brother feeling special celebrating that, and so my brother wasn't starving.
Speaker 1: But when his friends pulled up in the BMW, he's
Speaker 1: working at a gas station pumping the gas, and the
Speaker 1: girl he'd liked was in the car, and they all
Speaker 1: laughed at him and pulled off. He vowed he would
Speaker 1: that would never happen to him again. And when I
Speaker 1: said it never happened to him again, it never happened
Speaker 1: to him again. But unfortunately he's not here to see
Speaker 1: his daughter life. I wonder if we can play that
Speaker 1: NBA young boy, click? Can you play it from the
Speaker 1: board right now? I'm terrified people, and I'm very shocked
Speaker 1: that I never knew why once I walk on the
Speaker 1: stage I would get it done. I'm terrified the people.
Speaker 1: People are cruels, like you can't control to yourself so
Speaker 1: you're never know or someone who threw him. I always
Speaker 1: wanted to be a rapper. It's always my dream. I
Speaker 1: never had a plan. B. I can't down on top
Speaker 1: fore them. You know, I will not be provoked and
Speaker 1: I'm not going back to why I used to be.
Speaker 1: I only get more grooved from here. Wow. You get
Speaker 1: a pain in that brother's voice. Absolutely, and that's you
Speaker 1: know again, I don't I don't condemn. I want to
Speaker 1: be clear. I don't condemn where these rappers are right now.
Speaker 1: You know, I look at them as my sons and
Speaker 1: I can't say their name, and when they reach out,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'm here for you, you know, call me.
Speaker 1: And that's the scariest step for many of them. It's like, man, okay,
Speaker 1: here's a man who's finally willing to engage in my life.
Speaker 1: But that fear of taking that first step to healing. Um.
Speaker 1: I had a UFC fire to come visit me. Literally
Speaker 1: we're talking one day. I said, we'll look, just come
Speaker 1: see me, man if it's that heavy, he said, I'm
Speaker 1: there in the morning at six am. So he flew
Speaker 1: in for the first time, and he's met with therapists before.
Speaker 1: I had him right out all of his past trauma
Speaker 1: and he looked at it and broke down crying in
Speaker 1: my chair and hit in the chair in the office.
Speaker 1: Champion Fighter never was able to face that. And so
Speaker 1: one of our greatest fears is men is dealing with ourselves.
Speaker 1: That's why we can't sit in a room when it's quiet.
Speaker 1: We got to always be on the phone or smoking
Speaker 1: or doing something drinking. But when you can put all
Speaker 1: of that aside and just sit still, no matter if
Speaker 1: it's shaking you to the core, and ready to face it,
Speaker 1: then you can start healing. That's why I choose to
Speaker 1: use my platform in such a way where I'm not perfect.
Speaker 1: I strive for excellence. I used to strive for perfection,
Speaker 1: but on my desk right now as a plaque that
Speaker 1: says excellentist, because that's all I can strive for. I
Speaker 1: can't be a perfectionist, and I want people to see
Speaker 1: my life even with my wife and I. You know
Speaker 1: twenty five years. This year wasn't an easy journey. No infidelity,
Speaker 1: no gambling, no we just miss you so finances, we
Speaker 1: just didn't get along, we would the years of just
Speaker 1: me being negative to her or her years of not
Speaker 1: trusting me. I can give a recent example, which was
Speaker 1: kind of funny. We're in counseling, marital counseling, and our
Speaker 1: therapist was like, okay, since no one is mind readers, Nicole,
Speaker 1: you asked Jason what you would like one thing, and
Speaker 1: then Jason you asked her what you would like. So
Speaker 1: my wife says, well, Jay, when you come home, I
Speaker 1: would love for you to acknowledge me first instead of
Speaker 1: going to a little ja. I said, okay, I'll do that,
Speaker 1: and then he says, what about you, Jay? And so
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there inside of me, I'm like, I wish
Speaker 1: you would just submit to me, submit to my leadership,
Speaker 1: you know, stop bucking against what I say. That's the flesh,
Speaker 1: that's anger. But what I really was feeling was like
Speaker 1: it hurts because she doesn't trust me. And so I
Speaker 1: turned to Nicole I said, hey, um, I would like
Speaker 1: for you to trust me, and she just shook head
Speaker 1: and she knew exactly what I was saying because that
Speaker 1: was from my heart. Absolutely damn a lot of knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Come on, Charlemagne the Guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 1: that I know I personally won't be using anymore. Duncan
Speaker 1: booth or cheaper about the dozen. Matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: go ahead and get you that one. In those enslaved times,
Speaker 1: they used to put the mutilated enslaved people in groups
Speaker 1: of twelve, and it would be discounts on that twelve,
Speaker 1: which means you can get this group cheaper about the dozens. Now,
Speaker 1: when you think about somebody being knocked up, you usually
Speaker 1: think about pregnancy. You know, oh, she got knocked up,
Speaker 1: she's pregnant. Now, the Oxford English Dictionary traces to turn
Speaker 1: back to eighteen thirteen. Now I dig this back. Then,
Speaker 1: the price of an enslaved African woman was knocked up
Speaker 1: by the auctioneer. If she's pregnant, say you was getting
Speaker 1: a bogo two for one. So in the enslaved periods,
Speaker 1: if she was pregnant, oh, that price was knocked up
Speaker 1: when she went to go get sold the same way.
Speaker 1: Now you can hear someone say, oh she's pregnant. She
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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Good morning everybody, a cej Envy Charlemagne
Speaker 1: the guy. We are to Breakfast Club. You got a
Speaker 1: positive I do, but I got a couple of announcement
Speaker 1: so I want to make first of all, man, I
Speaker 1: want to first of all tell us like it's church,
Speaker 1: no it is. These are church and nomis. We do
Speaker 1: this on Brilliant Initius Church Noss, but I'm doing them here.
Speaker 1: February eighth, Brooklyn Public Library from seven pm the eight
Speaker 1: thirty pm. Myself along with Tamika Mallory and I need
Speaker 1: a copax. We will be there representing my book in print,
Speaker 1: Black Privilege Publishing. You know I got a book in
Speaker 1: print with Simon and Schuster. We've put out two books
Speaker 1: through that imprint. One was Tomka de Mallory State of Emergency,
Speaker 1: How to Win in the Country We built. The other
Speaker 1: ones A Need to co Packs Shallow Waters. And so
Speaker 1: they'll be there signing copies of their books. I'll be
Speaker 1: there signing copies of my books Black Privilege in Shop
Speaker 1: Point and we're just gonna be having a discussion about
Speaker 1: books from seven pm to eight thirty pm at the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Public Library. That's on Wednesday, February the eighth. So
Speaker 1: I will see y'all there, Okay, okay. And the positive
Speaker 1: note man is something very very simple you should notice
Speaker 1: already if you don't, but listen, don't just pray when
Speaker 1: you need something, Okay, Keep God with you every day,
Speaker 1: Pray all the time. Have a blessed weekend breakfast club bitches.
Speaker 1: You'll finish or y'all done.