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Speaker 1: First, well, I want to ask you this is a

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Speaker 1: two part question. Okay, when you got to the A,

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Speaker 1: B A, who was the first push and to bust

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Speaker 1: your ass? And when you got to the NBA, who

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Speaker 1: was the first person to.

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Speaker 2: But your ass? I'm still waiting straight you did all that?

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Speaker 3: But you know what Ron Ron Harper did, sneak a

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Speaker 3: duncan on me because I thought I was a shock lock. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that was my last year, his first year, so it

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Speaker 3: took a long time. I do remember Buck Williams hitting

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Speaker 3: me with an elbow from my chest and I lost

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Speaker 3: my breath and I never was able to get him back.

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Speaker 3: He was kind of big anyway, six' ten and pretty,

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Speaker 3: strong so My Marian foster would sleep.

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Speaker 2: On the job that particular.

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Speaker 4: Day so the ratter question, was it was that even

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Speaker 4: a foul call WHICH i or you just got caught?

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Speaker 2: Over?

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Speaker 4: Man it.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it wasn't let me let, me but let me

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Speaker 3: go back to THE aba. Thing because there were two,

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Speaker 3: Guys orangeibali And Jumping Joe, Calwell Hogo joe they called The.

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Speaker 3: POGO i THINK i averaged like twenty eight against the

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Speaker 3: rest of, league but those two. GUYS i THINK i

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Speaker 3: averaged like twenty, four so they wasn't really just busting.

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Speaker 3: Me but a four point difference in the scarring average

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Speaker 3: is worthy of, note right, Right and they and they

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Speaker 3: were both one with six four was six, Four joe six.'

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Speaker 3: five and at the end of, THE game i would

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Speaker 3: have like a red Mark where i'd be hand checked

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Speaker 3: by the two guyss the. Whole game they never you

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Speaker 3: never went anywhere without that hand coming. On you and

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Speaker 3: both of them had a claw like rip and you see.

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Speaker 3: The bruises you see.

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Speaker 2: The.

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Speaker 3: Bruises man the referee wasn't, calling in so you know

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Speaker 3: exactly you Had to you had to. Protect, yourself yo.

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Speaker 4: Yo yo we live on location and this, one today

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Speaker 4: me And d miles. IS staying i ass. At home

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Speaker 4: we're still Here, in orlando being out. The way but

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Speaker 4: this is so super, special, today man we got. Basketball

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Speaker 4: royalty we got one of the real ogalots in.

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Speaker 2: The game name Name.

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Speaker 4: Ring Vails everywhere, jersey's retired you Know what, I'M saying,

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Speaker 4: ABA champion, nba, champion man and he's, a.

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Speaker 2: Doctor y'all We got Julius the doctor irving in. The building,

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Speaker 2: Thank you but you don't even know how much does

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Speaker 2: brought to you. By dinstocks.

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Speaker 4: How do you look at THE current nba and how

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Speaker 4: much of advantage of an advantage to the offensive player

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Speaker 4: have over the defensive player with all of these new

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Speaker 4: rules and all of the stuff that's.

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Speaker 2: Going, on yeah.

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Speaker 3: You're right on with that, offensive league. Huge advantage that's

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Speaker 3: why you see so, much dancing, YOU know, I mean,

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Speaker 3: I mean, i mean like Like with. Kessa dancing, you

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Speaker 3: know like back in, the day a dude would just

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Speaker 3: take a shot.

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Speaker 2: At you just checking. Right now he, just, Like.

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Speaker 3: Right i'm taking. A foul you're out here dancing, on me,

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Speaker 3: embarrassing me like we have the nightclub or something whatever.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: Dancing, uh now they wasn't. Having That oscar robertson definitely wasn't.

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Speaker 3: Having it, you know he popa cad in. A minute

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Speaker 3: you know he was six six five two fifteen when

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Speaker 3: six five two fifteen and muscular was big, and, strong right,

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Speaker 3: you know not so big and, strong now. You know

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Speaker 3: now you got to be like to sixty to be

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Speaker 3: considered big. And strong, but uh but, You know i'll

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Speaker 3: involved with the game OR when i, you know center

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Speaker 3: grabb rebound dribble it, up court start the offense at

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Speaker 3: the top of, the key, you know with a, little

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Speaker 3: handoff and then go down and spot up in. The

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Speaker 3: corner it was like when you're gonna put your feet in,

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Speaker 3: the paint, big fellows.

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Speaker 2: You seven, feet tall. You know but that's the way.

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Speaker 2: It is the game.

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Speaker 3: Has, evolved fortunately the coaches have kept pace with the

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Speaker 3: changes in the game and the fact that it's, played differently,

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Speaker 3: you know played outside in and there's a lot of,

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Speaker 3: fan appeal, you know who want to see the three ball.

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Speaker 3: Go off and, YOU know i don't think everybody should

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Speaker 3: have a license to, shoot it but but that's. Obvious sometimes,

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Speaker 3: you know you see some of.

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Speaker 1: Those shots they make you get, your permit they make

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Speaker 1: you get your.

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Speaker 2: On shooting you got but.

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Speaker 3: You know when the guy misses like five or six

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Speaker 3: him and then he makes one and he, you know

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Speaker 3: he's kissing up the guy up his chest, or Whatever.

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Speaker 2: And, i'm, like, dude man how you get off? Doing?

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Speaker 1: This right i'll ask, you this some of the players.

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Speaker 1: Of today can you see some of the players today

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Speaker 1: that remind you of some of the guys back of,

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Speaker 1: the day dead? Or alive like some of the Guys Like.

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Speaker 1: Kevin durant, he mind you have.

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Speaker 3: An Iceman kevin durant be perfect example of you Know

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Speaker 3: how gervin used to do it and uh and then

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Speaker 3: you know there was there was some big guys who

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Speaker 3: could shoot from.

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Speaker 2: FROM outside aba GUYS and.

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Speaker 3: Nba Guys stu johnson was one of the guys that comes. To,

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Speaker 3: mind Obviously little Louis dampion man made more three points

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Speaker 3: than anybody or whatever back back in. The Day but

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Speaker 3: ice was special in the fact that we. Were teammates,

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Speaker 3: you know my second year and his. First year, you

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Speaker 3: know that was a, special year the special memories because

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Speaker 3: you KNOW when i see, HIM now, i said, come, on.

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Speaker 2: Rookie you know, he said, he said, he said You,

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Speaker 2: know god you know how.

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Speaker 3: He talks, You, know die you know what's Your ROOKIE

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Speaker 3: once i was your Rookie and i'm always be.

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Speaker 2: Your rookie that that's.

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Speaker 4: THE rule i feel like it's only fitting that two

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Speaker 4: of the most iconic coolest dudes in the history of,

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Speaker 4: the game that one school the other and one with

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Speaker 4: the rookie in. The VEST so, i mean that's. Only

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Speaker 4: right we had We had we had O G big

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Speaker 4: Girl from. Big icing he said that you was the

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Speaker 4: first person to bust. His answer and we asked. That question,

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Speaker 4: he said you you served. Him up do you even

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Speaker 4: remember that that?

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Speaker 2: Was?

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Speaker 3: Practiced man he tried to go HOME and, i, said

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Speaker 3: well you, can't, Leave man we got to go in.

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Speaker 2: The gym we still got work. To do and because

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Speaker 3: To, like, midchieus uh could We Replaced charlie scott on,

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Speaker 3: our team came like he was trying to.

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Speaker 2: Go home now let's go to. The gym, you KNOW

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Speaker 2: so i wouldn't hold.

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Speaker 3: HIM back i was really what he had and what

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Speaker 3: he had and then YOU know i used to go

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Speaker 3: in and do this little move and, You know i'd

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Speaker 3: always keep focused on that little square above. The rim and,

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Speaker 3: you know he started coming IN and i, was like

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Speaker 3: what you're?

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Speaker 2: Looking?

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Speaker 3: At man, He said i'm looking at the, big square

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Speaker 3: the big the big white square on the on the on,

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Speaker 3: the backboard and he's facing the ball at different spots

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Speaker 3: on that big. White SQUARE so i, WAS like I

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Speaker 3: hadn't i hadn't thought. About that, YOU know i was

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Speaker 3: scriping of that little square somewhere in that little square.

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Speaker 3: Left SIDE so i saw much your balls gonna get

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Speaker 3: the balls gonna go in because we like to shoot.

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Speaker 2: Bank.

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Speaker 1: SHOTS yeah i, told, us uh, You know ice is

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Speaker 1: known for doing the, finger roll and he told us

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Speaker 1: where he got the finger roll from.

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Speaker 2: With.

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Speaker 3: You, yeah yeah he just got a different version of

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Speaker 3: we and we've, had, conversation Man and, I'M like i

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Speaker 3: ain't messing with that big square stick with. My stuff

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Speaker 3: you gotta stick with what brought.

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Speaker 4: Me there how was that for you to, see him,

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Speaker 4: you know take what you was doing and then evolved to,

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Speaker 4: you know what it became and how it became his

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Speaker 4: legendary moved and, you know like, he said he was

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Speaker 4: just he started playing, with it flicking it up there

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Speaker 4: with the big guys just fulling over Their finger how

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Speaker 4: was it for you to just see him take it

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Speaker 4: to another level?

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Speaker 3: Like that the good news about, it was, you know

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Speaker 3: he did it with a, certain, Modesty right and it,

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Speaker 3: was like, YOU know i used to wasn't talking a

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Speaker 2: Trash whatever he just let his game do. The talking

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Speaker 2: that was my that was.

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Speaker 3: My style, and uh you know it's funny because when

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Speaker 3: they used to COME in sanatoi he's come in And play.

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Speaker 2: Philly whatever.

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Speaker 3: You know we tried To put maurice' cheeks on him

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Speaker 3: and he'd, Be like i'm JUST when i come, IN

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Speaker 3: there i have my can of Raid and i'm just

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Speaker 3: get the ball over, My head. I'm Here if i'm handling,

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Speaker 1: Talk shops, you uh you dunked on a lot, of

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Speaker 1: people and it's a lot of of your dunks is

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Speaker 1: still getting shown to. This day what's one of the

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Speaker 1: ones that's like your all, Time, favorite like what's what's

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Speaker 1: doctor j all time favorite dunk on that.

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Speaker 3: You, Have yeah i've spoken to this a. Few, Times

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Speaker 3: Uh elvin Hayes In. Washington capital so, you know we

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Speaker 3: we had we had a rivalry.

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Speaker 2: With them it was like it was like a turnpipe

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Speaker 3: D c, and uh you know we used to go

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Speaker 2: Ride.

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Speaker 3: Down whatever, you know, you're uncomfortable, you, know tired frustrated.

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Speaker 2: Or whatever you wanna take it out. On somebody.

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Speaker 3: So we got to the joint and, you know This,

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Speaker 3: was inlando and uh They Neither bobby dandridge. Or whoever

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Speaker 3: the other guy was guarding ME and i got around

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Speaker 3: Him and i'm going in, the lane and That Damn

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Speaker 3: wes unseell was back there Helping, and ELVIN and I

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Speaker 3: knew unsell would hurt. You strong he would hurt you

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Speaker 3: and and not.

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Speaker 2: Even blink.

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Speaker 3: And then he would take the courage from the other

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Speaker 3: players on your team because they wouldn't even come out

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Speaker 3: and come to, your rescue probably might not even come

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Speaker 3: out pick, you up thinking that they're Gonna get they're

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Speaker 3: gonna get hit by.

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Speaker 2: Him too.

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Speaker 3: So he was the only guy that what was scared

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Speaker 3: of in, the league. You know uh THAT'S and i

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Speaker 3: always heard THAT before i got over, To this will

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Speaker 3: was scared Of. The West so i'm. THINKING about i

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Speaker 3: jumping he's like just, you know hosting up. Over THERE,

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Speaker 3: so i, YOU know i jumped away. From him and

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Speaker 1: How was that for you to be recognized as the fiftiest?

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Speaker 3: And uh for people to recognize, the nickname for it

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Speaker 4: At me so, for you when you, grew up like

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Speaker 4: who was the guy you tried to pad your game

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Speaker 2: Up to or you you, was, LIKE man i want to,

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Speaker 3: Connie HAWKINS and i never got to be, six eight But, elgiend,

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Speaker 2: Right then, you know what's that number gonna?

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Speaker 3: Watch this come on the, right side pick up the

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Speaker 2: The ball That. Was, elgieblo man That.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know it was just he was doing

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437
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Speaker 4: always had kind worse and offering the help in any type.

438
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: Of way so, and humble, extremely humble.

439
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 3: Extremely, yeah yeah and he, you know he had reason

440
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 3: to be tripping if he were going on a trip

441
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: because he's scored eighty one points in. The, game man,

442
00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 3: you know SEVENTY one I think. I, could yeah.

443
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 2: He had seventy and he averaged thirty eight.

444
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: One YEAR and, i mean, you know just just stuff

445
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: that is kind of lost in basketball history because, you

446
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 3: know they, YOU know i think the league makes an

447
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: effort to promote.

448
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: The game from ninety on and all.

449
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: The other stuff is real. Old school but there's some

450
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: good stuff in that. Old, school yeah there's some great and.

451
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 3: Good stuff great people learn the orgines.

452
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: Of, them move all the orgines of the moves that

453
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: y'all used to do and everything them still on the

454
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 1: moves that's getting.

455
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: Done today, yeah today tell me this when you would,

456
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 2: coming out what made you choose? You?

457
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah yeah so Come From, long, Island RIGHT and

458
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: i took like two visits out of state towards, The

459
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 3: west so went Out the.

460
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: Iowa state, YOU know.

461
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 3: I didn't like cornfields and all that WAS like i lost.

462
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 3: Out there seventeen. YEARS old i Went, To Buffalo. New

463
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: YORK so i didn't really care. For THAT and i

464
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 3: had a broad budding Relationship With saint john's and their

465
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 3: Coach Lou, connor secord so he really wanted me to

466
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: Come To. Saint john's and my high school coach PLAYED

467
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 3: At Bu, high School Coach. Ray wilson he PLAYED at

468
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 3: Bu With, jack lehman who Coached, you MASS and i

469
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 3: took two BUSITS To. U mass i had a bunch

470
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: of times going Over To saint john's and at the

471
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: end of, THE day i was going to go to

472
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 3: one place or. The other, YOU know i had Ruled

473
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 3: Out blaunch school down south because of, you know all

474
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: the stuff that my cousins. Were experiencing and my mother

475
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 3: was one of, fourteen kids so The whole, south thing

476
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 3: and the Schools then south weren't going to be a fit,

477
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: for me. You know as it, turned out it came

478
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 3: Down To saint john's And, you mass and the relationship

479
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 3: between my high school coach and the coach there carried

480
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 3: over to me is somebody who, you know would look out.

481
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: For me and if things didn't work out, IN basketball i,

482
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,439
Speaker 3: still had, you know the, academic DESIRE and i had

483
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: a guy who would be in, my car right, you

484
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: know not that lu conor second. Wouldn't BE but i

485
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 3: THINK if i, stayed HOME if i Stayed In new

486
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 3: york and went to School, IN queens i would be a.

487
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: Commuter a lot. Of stuff it wasn't it wasn't. Gonna

488
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 2: be it wasn't gonna be like the real, college experience

489
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: you KNOW what.

490
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 3: I mean And you mass had a sprawling campus and,

491
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: you know it was a, great institution and they had

492
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 3: a program that was that was on.

493
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 2: The rise, you know we had an undefeated.

494
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 3: Freshman team we posted eighteen and six, sophomore year and

495
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 3: then were twenty three and two last my.

496
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: Junior year that was that was my last. Year there

497
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 2: but you was averaged twenty six.

498
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: And, twenty yeah that was the individual side.

499
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 2: Twenty boys like what like, what, hey man it would

500
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 2: have been nice if they ran some place. FOR me.

501
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: I won't tell. Me this what was it like playing

502
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 4: in college when they THE n C double a was? Prohibiting,

503
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: dunks then how?

504
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: Was that you?

505
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Know what just drop it, in there that's what that's

506
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: what makes those, numbers crazy, you know really that that

507
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 3: makes a resonent because there was, no dunking, you know

508
00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: because a lot of, people, said well, you know you

509
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 3: got a whole lot. Of dunks THEY think i got thirty,

510
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 3: thousand points thirty like thirty some thousand points in my,

511
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 3: pro career and they wasn't all.

512
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: Dunk shots you let them know you was a certified

513
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 4: bucket out here whatever you wasn't.

514
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 2: Just know y'all was getting SLEEP when i was, getting

515
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: buckets were. Getting, buckets man it took about The dunk,

516
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,360
Speaker 2: come on, you know. The dunkers the highlight that.

517
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: Was that was just for, Your, posters like let me

518
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,360
Speaker 4: put you on this, post real, you, know geez.

519
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: You're making my ego come Out, from yeah it's an

520
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: iconic photo.

521
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 2: Of.

522
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: YOU uh i don't Think. THIS rutger i think this is,

523
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: another park and it's an iconic photo. Of YOU and

524
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: i always love this photo because it showed you you

525
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: have to throw on and you have the team.

526
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: League SHIRT but i love this photo so much to

527
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: see the crowd in.

528
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: The background you can see the, train track you can

529
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 1: see the crowd in the at the, apartment building everybody

530
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: looking out, the window and.

531
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: Just the energy of.

532
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: The crowd do you remember, this photo, Member, story like

533
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: just tell us about like, the crowds Like the rutgers

534
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: and all that stuff that you playing in front of

535
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: big crowds before you even got the, big league like, you, know.

536
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: Well you know The.

537
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 3: Rugby league that was a roughly league photo when they

538
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 3: sitting on the buildings, and yeah rain over on. The

539
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: side and that's That's On eighth Avenue In, new york

540
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 3: so right the HEART of HOLEM and i never Played

541
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: In rugby park till after my junior year, in COLLEGE

542
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: so i always played in a lot of.

543
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: OTHER playgrounds i.

544
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: Played in PLAYGROUNDS in dc when we traveled Down To

545
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 3: south carolina, my family, you, know play.

546
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 2: You know just play on the hoops that was just

547
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 2: put up on.

548
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 3: A Pole The rutger park experience started for me at

549
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 3: age twenty ONE and i played, Five YEARS so i

550
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: played from age twenty one days. Twenty six in the,

551
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 3: off seasons, YOU know i was there, like CLOCKWORK and

552
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 3: i think that kind of helped my playground credits go to.

553
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: Another level and also the playground game being brought into the,

554
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: traditional game, you know the, pro game and those five

555
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 3: years with the FIVE years i played IN, the aba

556
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 3: SO the aba And the, RUGBY league i think once

557
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 3: again game change in terms of how people would, see

558
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: basketball how they. Wouldview basketball they look for a little

559
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,959
Speaker 3: bit more spice. On it they look for the show and,

560
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: you know obviously above the rim stuff and kids trying

561
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: to develop their games in that way where you know

562
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: they can go above the remen and they've gone far

563
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 3: past you KNOW what. I WAS what i was able

564
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: to do those guys going around, the neck around, the

565
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 3: back between the legs and then still dunking. THE ball

566
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 3: i didn't stay up, that long, you know and it's

567
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 3: a lot. Of too never occurred to me that you

568
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: could do. All that but the NBA's acceptance of it

569
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: culminated in the after the seventy five seventy. Sixth season

570
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: so my team With, the nets we WON the, Aba

571
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: Championship boston celtics WON The, nba championship and then that,

572
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: off season that was the off season of. Off seasons

573
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 3: that was just LIKE THE a l AND the nl

574
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: getting together and CREATING the nfl leagues coming together and

575
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: get being under. One umbrella SO THE A b a

576
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 3: AND the nba, coming together and, that summer, you KNOW

577
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: the nba wanted some of WHAT THE a, ba had

578
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 3: no question was, you know we Had Iceman, David thompson

579
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 3: george McGinnis Out, Of Gilmore, dan issel, you know and

580
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of guys who could, really play who

581
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: hopefully will get their chance to be nominated and accepted

582
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: In the Hall. Of fame so, you know that would,

583
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: Be cool that would be that would be a big

584
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 3: one for me to see, that happen because, you know

585
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: they made the leagues want to be under, one roof

586
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: and then once they got under. ONE roof i THINK

587
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: THE A b a players HAVE the aba franchises have

588
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 3: represented themselves.

589
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: Very well how was that transition for you going FROM

590
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 4: THE A, b a where you, you know you win

591
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 4: championships and being a big star and then coming TO.

592
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: The nba how how how did that go down?

593
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 3: For you so so, for me, you know the money got,

594
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 3: in away so my agent and you KNOW he, I

595
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: mean i obviously agreed, to it but made. A deal,

596
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 3: i mean not only need to go from league, to

597
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: league BUT then i went from the TEAM that i

598
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: was with to.

599
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: Another team So now.

600
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: I'm going to a Team and i'm, the outsider, you

601
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: know coming in Leaving the nets and then Going. To

602
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 3: philly whereas With, the nets, YOU know i was a

603
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: three times, SCORING champ mvp in, THE playoffs mvp.

604
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 2: In, the league, you know two times in THE coen

605
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: vp once.

606
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: Or whatever so so my status and scoring and all

607
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: that kind of, stuff was, you know it was way

608
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: Ahead of Iceman And, david thompson the two guys who

609
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 3: were competing for the title of the.

610
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 2: Next year. You know BUT once i Went, to philly, different,

611
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: coach jeans.

612
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 3: Shoe teammates, You know i've Got big, george McGinnis Got,

613
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: doug collins, you know both great players world be free

614
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: play a destined to, you know to, be good, Be Great,

615
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: Darryl Dawkins, Halwell Jones. HARVEY ketching i got GUYS who

616
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: i got to learn and who got to, learn me

617
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 3: and they weren't just all that open armed and willing

618
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 3: to let. It happen, you know you guys go get

619
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 3: you get. Traded somewhere it ain't like it's. Open arms

620
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: it's more like you ain't get, my.

621
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: Spot RIGHT.

622
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: So I knew i was gonna get somebody spot and

623
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: that would happened to Be Jelly, bean briant, you Know And.

624
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Steve mix both, Those guys kobe's Dad And. Steve mix, you.

625
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 3: Know they were the guys eyeing the spot to be

626
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 3: the small forward And because george had the other spot,

627
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: locked UP so i had to get through that and

628
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: get a good relationship. With them steve was one of

629
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 3: my best friends Now and, joe's Cool but steve coaches

630
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 3: with me In the.

631
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: Big.

632
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: Three yeah so so all that in the beginning had

633
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: come to, you know has come. To pass as it

634
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: turned out turned. Out good my whole, role change, you

635
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: KNOW because i MEAN when i was With, the nets,

636
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: YOU know i was league leading scorer, three Times.

637
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: And Gervin And, david thompson, you know they was it was.

638
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: After me BUT when i Went, to PHILLY and i,

639
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 3: went there They had jordan McGinnis and will Be, free

640
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: collins and that general, manager said we don't need nobody

641
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 3: who's gonna, start, Third RIGHT so i had to really adjust.

642
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: My game and those guys, Know it, they knew you

643
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 3: know what my game could have been offensively if on the.

644
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: Right team but on, that team, they said this is

645
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: the way we're gonna get to.

646
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 2: The championship and then the next.

647
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 3: SIX years, i mean we got there three times after

648
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 3: the finals, three times and then we got, big mole,

649
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: you know and then, it was, you know it was

650
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 3: it was. A rap after that next year we were

651
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 3: twelve and one in. The playoffs so that that little

652
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: seven year period going to finals four what time in?

653
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: Seven years? You know that was that was our era.

654
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 3: Right THERE and i wish we had won a second

655
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: time or, third time but, you, know one it was

656
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: one and it was a, special one and, you know

657
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: it was one of the all time.

658
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 2: Great MONTHS but i would say that my.

659
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 3: GAME change, I mean, i was, YOU know i was

660
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: still like the Second Team all, pro WHATEVER but i wasn't,

661
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 3: you know THE player i was IN the aba TIL my,

662
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: mvp year which was the nineteen, eighty ONE and i just, you,

663
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: know decided, ALL right i need to score. MORE points

664
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: i needed to do more things and, you know reflect

665
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 3: my abilities on the basketball court and impose my will

666
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: on the other players around.

667
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: The LEAGUE and i was able to.

668
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: Do that and it was a great deal of satisfaction

669
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: in that year to do THAT because i KNEW that

670
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: i hadn't, lost it that it had just been adjusted.

671
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 3: By design my teammates and the coaches designed for us to,

672
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 3: you know whatever's gonna get us to.

673
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: THE championship i know you're.

674
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: A dunker You Had chocolate thunder on. Your team how

675
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Hard The chocolate thunder used to dunk?

676
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: The ball, hey man you KNOW what.

677
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 3: I Mean It's shack shack, before, Shot, RIGHT yeah I

678
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 3: Mean shaq shack was the way he dunked the ball and,

679
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 3: you know brought his legs up and, you know wanted

680
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 3: to tear. Down backboards. HE he i think He Had

681
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: chocolate thunder in. Mind sometimes but he would go down low.

682
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 2: On guys, OH yeah I got i got this little

683
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: guy on me.

684
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: RIGHT now i got to do with, My Man darryl

685
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 3: dawkins would Do, and darryl the difference between shack and

686
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: Down is shaq would dunk on you and then he's

687
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 3: still goes get like thirty. Or forty darryl would dunk

688
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: on You and daryl was. So happy he'd, Be like.

689
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm done, He's like, I'm, like dawn you got to, keep,

690
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 3: playing man it's a forty eight.

691
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 2: Minute, Game yeah, HE'S like i got, it, IN man

692
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: i dump on, this guy you.

693
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Know whatever so there was one more TEAM and i

694
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: wanted to ask You About World. Be, free, YEAH yeah

695
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: I Love World. BE free i thought he, Was, nice yeah.

696
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: He was he was a.

697
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: Free spirit, you know he's one of the nicest guys

698
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 3: right now because we Have a philadelphia alumni and, you

699
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: know and he's a computer community ambassador For. The sixers,

700
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 3: you know we were both the, first year we were

701
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 3: both commuting out of.

702
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: Our Homes In new York.

703
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 3: Playing PHILLY so i would swing by and pick, him

704
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 3: up and then he would drive Down to philly for

705
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 3: us to go to practice for the games and everything

706
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: because we would.

707
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: Like hold On From. New, york yeah he was Commuting From.

708
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: New, york man anytime we Got To, new york we were

709
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 3: we Were In new york and it was kind of

710
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 3: crazy during. That time and he he, has uh he's

711
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: told the stories and he's put it.

712
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: On videos so that's something you guys got to get a.

713
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: Hold of sometimes, our rides our Rides From new york

714
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 3: To to philly, and uh he, you know he was

715
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 3: on a team where He and daryl came in together

716
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 3: and he was drafting a team that was that, was

717
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: loaded that, was stacked and he wanted to find his find.

718
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: His spot so, you know he came off the bench

719
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 3: and he came off the bench with firepower because he

720
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 3: was gonna put.

721
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 2: It up.

722
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 3: You, know yeah as a matter, of fact, Then Him,

723
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: steve Mix Jelly, bean Daryl because daryl came off, the

724
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 3: Bench Because carlwell jones was.

725
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: The start daryl came off. The Bench harvey catchers came off.

726
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: The bench but that team that came to that, second

727
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 3: team they called himself the.

728
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: Bomb. SQUAD man i.

729
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: Don't know if you've, heard ABOUT but i like that

730
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: they called themselves the bomb squad because they were coming

731
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 3: in bombing.

732
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 2: And whoever, daryl said whoever got it. Shot it.

733
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 4: Tell me about the first dunk contest back in back

734
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: IN the aba in sound and it was when that

735
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: happened to be with You. And iceman how was that

736
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 4: for you guys like that was had you ever been

737
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 4: in dunk contest or anything prior?

738
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: To that not at, that level but every EVERY camp,

739
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 3: i ran we would have. DUNK contests i Was with

740
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: Converse and spalding for those early years in. The seventies

741
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: we would have dunk contests and we would, go abroad

742
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 3: so we would Go, to china we'd Go, to europe

743
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 3: we'd Go To. South america and, YOU know i always

744
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 3: kind of ended my talks with the dunk from the

745
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 3: foul line and doing something that nobody had. Seenybody DO

746
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: so i had honed that SKILL and i knew the

747
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 3: effect that it would have. On people so when we

748
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 3: Were in denver last YEAR that a And The denver

749
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: nuggets were playing against the all stars from around the

750
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: league because it was only seven, teams, left.

751
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Right so we.

752
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 3: Got a denver hosted it and they kept their team

753
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 3: intact and They Had david Thompson and dans And Uh Marvin.

754
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Marvin, webster yeah They Have.

755
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 3: Marven webster so they dis first players from around the

756
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: league and created an all.

757
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Star team and we Go.

758
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: To denver So, called schier who's, you know forward. Thinking guy,

759
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: he said you know a halftime This All star game.

760
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,439
Speaker 3: Despite stuff we already have a slam DUNK. Cut txt

761
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 3: so that was almost put together on.

762
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: The spot. You know it wasn't like A long it

763
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 2: wasn't like a year.

764
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: Long planning we, knew that so it wasn't really a

765
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: whole lot of time for players.

766
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: To prepare and, he, said well this is going to be.

767
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: The rules we're going to have one from, the left

768
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: one from, the right one from from underneath.

769
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: The basket and that's why it was.

770
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: So stagnant, you know so guys just stood under the

771
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: basket and dunked two, balls right either dunk two balls

772
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: or just did a two handed twisting dunk. Or whatever

773
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 3: a stationary duct you had left, and right and you

774
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 3: could run in from from one of one of. The

775
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: sides and then they had they had. A line they

776
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 3: had a piece of tape there inside the, foul line and,

777
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: they said well you've got you got a dunk from

778
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 3: outside of. This tape and it wasn't it wasn't. Fifteen feet,

779
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 3: you know it's probably like a Ten feet so everybody could.

780
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: Do that everybody can do, that dump, but well fifteen

781
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 3: feet of the power line is everybody couldn't. Do that,

782
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 3: that was and that was one of the difference makers

783
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 3: in that in that dunk CONTEST because i could, do

784
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 3: that and, YOU know i was kind of like neck

785
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: and Neck With david thompson and he came out of.

786
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: The corner he did like a three sixty boom and

787
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: went off the back of the rim and he MISSED

788
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: like i Did With Larry larry nance the, NEXT year,

789
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: i missed, you know and when you missed back in,

790
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: the day it was. A penalty it, was like you don't.

791
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 3: You're done so when, he missed because he probably was,

792
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: you know as good or maybe even a better dunker.

793
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: Than me real he doesn't get enough. Credit today skywalker.

794
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 2: Was, awesome man. It's, awesome yeah but it. Was fun

795
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: it's fun to have.

796
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: The memory it's fun to be the, you know, the

797
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: winner being all the rules slammed. Up contest nobody could

798
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 3: take that away, from ME and i guess it was meant.

799
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: To be just to see where it's, at now like

800
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: this is this is almost forty, years later like to

801
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: see the game is still doing that off of y'all

802
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: doing the dunk contest and seeing kids and how the dunks.

803
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: Have evolved now now we're seeing these kids throwing between,

804
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: their legs jumping.

805
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 2: Over, people.

806
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: Yeah to see how, It evolved like how is that

807
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: to See from you seen it from, the start and

808
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: you've just seen All These all star games and you've

809
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: seen people bring something new to.

810
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: The.

811
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 3: TABLE yeah i always try to think of what happened.

812
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 3: Before me and, You know wilt was. A dunker elgimbala was.

813
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: A Dunker connie hawkins was. A dunker there was a

814
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 3: guy who played For the KNICKS and i used to

815
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: have to walk past his house to go to school.

816
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: Every day Johnny green Man Jumping johnny green they, called

817
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 3: him and he get those tips around the basket and

818
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: he could dunk.

819
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: The Ball So gus Johnson.

820
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: Honey combe johnson Played with Baltimore And arvin road.

821
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: Down there he was tanned.

822
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: Down backboards Man honey comb was tanned down backboards and

823
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 3: just grabbed the Rim like darryl.

824
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 2: And shot and he's, a forward so you, know what,

825
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: you know nobody was messing.

826
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: With him so those THINGS that I that, i saw

827
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: as well as the finesse and the power, or whatever

828
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: those were things that were influencers on. My game and

829
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 3: THEN when i played and, got satisfaction when you, GET satisfaction,

830
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: i mean it just builds. Your, confidence yeah so, YOU

831
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: know I mean i thought that there were years OF

832
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 3: what i felt it was the best player in. The

833
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 3: world and there were years AND what, i felt can't nobody,

834
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: touch this, you know not not to shout, it out

835
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 3: bang the chess or, talk TRASH but i.

836
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: KNEW it i.

837
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,720
Speaker 4: Knew, IT yeah i want to talk to you about

838
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: the rivalry early in the early eighties With, The, lakers

839
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 4: like like, for me because, you know these days we

840
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 4: hear different things and they say it's. A rivalry it,

841
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 4: IS like i don't think this is a rivalry like

842
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,280
Speaker 4: they used to have back in. The day like y'all

843
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 4: dudes was out there really, throwing punches coming to blows

844
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: and doing all.

845
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: Like this like you Know what.

846
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying it was real competition and also real venom

847
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: out there from the physicality. Of everything just do you

848
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: talk about that rivalry with them guys and then you

849
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 4: guys finally breaking through and beating them in. The, championship

850
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 4: yeah so the rivalry Was, Really philly boston AND L.

851
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 4: A boston Everybody, HATED boston, i remember and.

852
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: Man were still everybody Everybody. Hates boston and it's.

853
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 3: SO funny i used to go there and way up in,

854
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: the bleachers way up in, the stands. You know then

855
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: somebody would have like a red number SIX because i

856
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 3: WENT To u mans, right too so so they did

857
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: have a little. RED six i, was like one person

858
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 3: in this whole building. LOVES me i wonder if that's

859
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 3: a family member, or SOMETHING but i wouldn't. See It

860
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 3: so boston was. The rivalry and we Got. By boston

861
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: we Got by boston my first Year in philly and

862
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: they were defending champs and it was a seven game

863
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 3: series and at the end of, The Game Your World

864
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 3: be free was dribbling out.

865
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: The clock on one knee over there at.

866
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: Half court and so that was like we got We

867
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 3: got boston in a very.

868
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 2: Interesting place, you know.

869
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: They're, beatable right, you know So uh and we had

870
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: our ups and downs with them the next eight ten years,

871
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: or whatever but that was that was, the rivalry and,

872
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 3: we felt we bought felt if We beat boston it

873
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: was almost like winning.

874
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 2: The.

875
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 3: Championship yeah and the two times WHEN we Uh played

876
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: la for the, third time so in eighty and in,

877
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: eighty two we had to Get, past boston and we

878
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 3: Got past boston and then RAN. Into LA, IN la,

879
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 3: I mean la was a, professional. Organization man. You know

880
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: they do whatever they had to do to go and

881
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 3: get the, best players and then they. Add on they

882
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: always had great, coaching whatever they always, had confidence and

883
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 3: they had gotten so far past, You know boston whooping

884
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 3: them up all those times because During the russell of,

885
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: the years You Know bill RUSSELL and I when i talked,

886
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: to him it's such a he's such a, funny guy,

887
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: He said, he, says yeah they they had a whole

888
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 3: lot of balloons up in the ceiling playing that, home

889
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: game and when the game, was over those balloons were

890
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 3: still up in.

891
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: The ceilings have no reason to let. Him down they

892
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 2: wasn't let him down.

893
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: For us but uh, but yeah so so the two

894
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: losses TO. L a eighty, eighty two, you know eighty

895
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: was magics coming. Out party then. Eighty two, YOU know

896
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 3: i Mean when tony, Went down mixon. Went down you

897
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 3: know you're talking about, the, contact right, you, know man

898
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: it was it was, it was it was.

899
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 2: For real it was, for, real.

900
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: Man guys was was hitting and not taking any names

901
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: and not taking any prisoners.

902
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: Or whatever it was rough and in.

903
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: The year, you know we so We get moses in

904
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: that offseason that summer and we come back and, you

905
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: know we have the best record in, the league so

906
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 3: we got home called. An advantage, you know before the,

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 3: series started they asked most and what does it take

908
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: to win? The championship? Big fella he said four four folk,

909
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 3: and uh, you know our boys until he made that

910
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: into a song or whatever because they called it.

911
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: Full five folk because we lost one Game to milwaukee

912
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 2: time twelve, and one.

913
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: And Uh, and, moses man he just, you know he

914
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,240
Speaker 3: got amped up when He played kareem because he, WAS like.

915
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: I never want to lose. This matchup, you know It's

916
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: a kareem, great player all, time leagues going the history

917
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: of the league. OR whatever i never want to lose.

918
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: This MATCHUP and i don't remember losing any matchups, with

919
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 3: him so he is he just.

920
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 2: Warmed. Down man he was a.

921
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: Team down and the rest, of us, you know, We

922
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: did we did what we needed. To do, You know tony,

923
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 3: Was great sheiks, was great and uh it was a

924
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: fine moment and it was a crowning moment just from a,

925
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: legacy STANDPOINT because i THINK if i had not been

926
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: able to WIN n nba championship, OR whatever i might

927
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 3: be looked at a, little differently, you know AND then

928
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 3: I then i have looked at and UH so i

929
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: was glad to get that out of the way because,

930
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 3: you know we the whole list of guys who don't have.

931
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: No, rings yeah they still talk. About, it, yeah yeah

932
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: it's not it's not a it's not a. Kind, conversation

933
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: yeah let me ask.

934
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: You this uh, you know this is the era they

935
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: so called say Of the. Big Three will Elegent and

936
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: west Wasn't a big three or?

937
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 2: What that, of course.

938
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Magic, Of magic Kareem And, james worthy they was, big.

939
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: Threes right absolutely absolutely wearing.

940
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: Right here in today's talk about like man big Three

941
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: or lebron Started the, Big Three and, i'm, Like man

942
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: i've seen a history of big three where it's been

943
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: three legendary players, playing together.

944
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: Winning chips it's just.

945
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: In those situations in, the past, the owner, the president

946
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 3: the general manager is the one who put those. Players

947
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: together and now the players put. It together, you know

948
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 3: they have they corn off, their boys, you know the

949
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 3: summer vacation or what.

950
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: Have you and in those.

951
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 3: Cases that, you mentioned those were players deals and and,

952
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: YOU look i mean you look at the nets Now

953
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: with Kyrie and harden and the rat. Or whatever that

954
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: that probably was an, organizational deal, you know like in,

955
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 3: the past but in Most of lebron's situations when he

956
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: went through when he Went to Miami and bosh and him, And,

957
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 3: yeah dwayne you know they collaborated. On it, it's like,

958
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 3: hey man THIS guy i want to Play. With wen

959
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 3: we're gonna be accountable if you bring. Us together so

960
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 3: that that's what made it a. Little difference and then

961
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 3: back to, the internet, you know, the communication, you know

962
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 3: it's it's out. There's public, you know the salaries of

963
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 3: public now for the salaries weren't, in public so it's.

964
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: Changed changed you spoke on, the playground guys At the rock.

965
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 4: And everything who in the league? Right now what players

966
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 4: you think fit that bill that could have played on

967
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 4: the playground and what could play on.

968
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: The, Playground well kyrie is a, Good, mention harden you

969
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 3: know the next team play, out, there uh, you know

970
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 3: and and the guys LIKE m J and duran and

971
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 3: they were all gone To the rugcord just to have.

972
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 3: That experience, you know they've GONE and I and i

973
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,759
Speaker 3: didn't even know TILL after i have played there that

974
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 3: the guy would just hold. The clock so when you get,

975
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: forty fifty sixty, or whatever it ain't like a forty eight,

976
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 3: minute game like a seventy two minute game.

977
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: Like, cooking yeah. Cook, everybody Hey. It's sunday everybody having a.

978
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: Good time.

979
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 3: Everybody's safe the guys. Are playing these players ain't. GETTING

980
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: tired i ain't watching.

981
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: The clock the guy who was watching the, clock man

982
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 2: he was really.

983
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: Controlling everything if you could pick four other guys From

984
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 1: the rutger to, play with let, you say when you

985
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: came up the five years Playing, the rutger who is

986
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: the folk other guys song?

987
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: We know so we?

988
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: Don't, know Yeah So, tddy archibal you know he'd be,

989
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 3: he'd be he'd be captain of.

990
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: The ship.

991
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 3: You know he let the league and scarring and as since,

992
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: yeah right there's a Guy Named ali taylor play with

993
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: me In The. Rutle league he Went to University of

994
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 3: houston and he was like six' four but he could

995
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 3: jump out the gym and.

996
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: The strong and.

997
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: A good shot it was an exciting. Player to watch

998
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 3: he actually PLAYED in the aba player play. With the nets,

999
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: so you know he's A.

1000
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 2: Guy who i. Would Look. At Joe hammond joe hammond is.

1001
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 3: The playground legend at the rug of league and he

1002
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 3: just came to play when he felt.

1003
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: Like showing up they couldn't, keep tracking joke but he could.

1004
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: Come out there, he's you know almost any night he

1005
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 3: dropped thirty and uh, the last guy YOU know, what

1006
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 3: i mean probably just as. A Playground guy fly williams

1007
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 3: you know. Comes to, mind, uh yeah fly flyers flying.

1008
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 2: And he can.

1009
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 3: Get. It done YEAH but then i mean the list goes.

1010
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 3: On the guards there was so many, guards shaking. BAD

1011
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 3: you know i mean it's just guys who, in today's

1012
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: game people want to. See a show that was a

1013
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 3: place where you can. Get a show guys Could dribble

1014
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: like kyrie. Dribble, THE boss yeah i know you, got,

1015
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 3: some handles man it might. Be a disablative and.

1016
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 4: Speaking on you know those nicknames and, the fly nicknames

1017
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 4: it always takes me back to you, being you know

1018
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: one of the coolest dudes ever. In, the league like

1019
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 4: how was with your mindset and? With your demeanor did

1020
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 4: you were you aware that you were like this icon

1021
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 4: of coolness or you was. Just doing you and it's

1022
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 4: just so happened. That everybody, DOESN'T for.

1023
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: ME i didn't i didn't want TO be doctor j.

1024
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 2: Off the.

1025
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: Court you know it was like an. ALTER ego thing

1026
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: i never introduced MYSELF. As doctor j Inroduced Myself As,

1027
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: julius julius hurry you know name my mother. Father gave

1028
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 3: me AND and when i got, on the court that

1029
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 3: was like Putting on a Superman, Super.

1030
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 2: Becoming. Batman superman.

1031
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 3: WHATEVER you know, i WAS like when i stepped, within

1032
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:18,879
Speaker 3: those lines you're looking at. A different GUY and if

1033
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 3: i was going to lunch or dinner or meeting or

1034
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 3: even a, SPEECH or whatever i want To GO. As

1035
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 3: JULIUS r and i WANTED to be i wanted to

1036
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 3: be respected, as that, individual you know who was Who was,

1037
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: an American citizen black american, who college, educated you know

1038
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,759
Speaker 3: who was bringing something else to the table OTHER than

1039
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: what i. Could BRING athletically so i wanted to park

1040
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 3: the athletic piece at that door to the arena, and

1041
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 3: you know or to something outside of the arena. And

1042
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 3: so on the. Court was different On THE. Court Doctor

1043
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: j the court.

1044
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 4: Of the, truth for me this is like, one of

1045
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 4: many but like one of the, Pinch yourself moments like

1046
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 4: You know. What I'M saying when i, told, My, pops

1047
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: like yo we're Gonna have doctor jay Said doctor really

1048
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 4: like You know, What i'm saying like my pop old

1049
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 4: still You know, What i'm saying like he HE went

1050
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: when i could get him excited and stuff like, that like,

1051
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 4: that that's CRAZY like, because I like literally i grew

1052
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 4: up watching ball. With my mom my mom was a,

1053
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 4: was an, athlete she hooped You know. What i'm saying

1054
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: one who Got Me watching georgetown DePaul because IT was

1055
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 4: on wg and You know.

1056
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 2: What i'm saying so she.

1057
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 4: Was the one like some of my earliest memories is

1058
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 4: Of watching You rock the Cradle On, on michael cooper

1059
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 4: and like that's some of my earliest. Memories of basketball

1060
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 4: now we get to sit here and chop it up

1061
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 4: with you, On our show like, that's like crazy a

1062
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 4: big blessing. Out of here, so you know even though we're,

1063
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: IN the middle i just still, got to, say appreciate.

1064
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: It right cock You know.

1065
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,439
Speaker 3: What i'm saying it's good all, the, way AROUND man

1066
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 3: that i do the jobbing, you GUYS did and i

1067
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: got a chance to. Watch you, play you know like

1068
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 3: have very strong feelings for you, and your abilities you

1069
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 3: know game where you adjusted and adopted to the game,

1070
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: and you know and did you think? You Know Whatever

1071
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: so i'm, I'm you know i'm a, basketball fan TOO

1072
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: and when i see the transition from player to non

1073
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 3: player and that you can, still be productive do something.

1074
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,839
Speaker 2: With your life you know that you like to do

1075
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: whatever that. Makes me happy yeah, you hear that pop

1076
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: not to day, Proud OF.

1077
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: Them but i don't always get TO talk about i

1078
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: don't always talk about basketball every. Day or whatever so

1079
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: it really is a tribute when you get the invitation

1080
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 3: from you guys, and you know help you, with the podcast,

1081
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: and you know obviously help me keep, my name alive

1082
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,839
Speaker 3: keep my, rep intact, whatever and UH.

1083
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: You know i just. Appreciate that, too oh no your

1084
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: name is gonna. BE live forever i want to.

1085
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: TELL you THIS i think I was like i had

1086
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: to be like, six or seven and my mom went

1087
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: and bought me a basketball goal and they were selling

1088
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: these basketball goals with with your there was The doctor

1089
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: j go and they used to have your face on

1090
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: the backboard and had like.

1091
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 2: AUTOGRAPH on it i Used, TO loose. Yeah i had

1092
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: did you tell how long it take you to? Tear?

1093
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: It, up uh no we bought about, three OF them

1094
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: so i was. Turning them up now you put. Them in,

1095
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: Rotation huh yeah i'll turned them up. Left and right

1096
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: but my mom used to. ALWAYS give them i just

1097
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: used to remember just always just seeing your face on

1098
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: the backboard with your autograph.

1099
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 2: On it and we.

1100
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: All, play it Yeah that was that, was cool man the,

1101
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 3: whole you know that's a whole other question.

1102
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 2: Too. About, endorsements endorsements yeah so.

1103
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 3: In, seventy seventy, ONE you know i turned Pro and

1104
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: the adidas was like the official shoe. Of the league

1105
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 3: and then the second year, IN the league i actually

1106
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 3: got To, deal With converts and converts was the universal

1107
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 3: best seller during that time they had their. Biggest market

1108
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: share So, signed with converse which was one of the.

1109
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:11,480
Speaker 3: First shoe endorsements because my tennis comrades at That Time

1110
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 3: with Jimmy Connors, and chris everett And they. Got converse

1111
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,439
Speaker 3: endorsements so We all had converse endorsements around, the same

1112
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 3: time and that was pretty special, because before, that you

1113
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: know certainly black athletes weren't. Getting old, Endorsements You. KNOW

1114
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 3: i'm jackie I Don't remember jackie robinson having any endorsements

1115
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 3: as great, as he was as much of a game changer.

1116
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 3: As he was and then, after he, passed you know

1117
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: they had him. Doing, some coffee.

1118
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: Uh. There You.

1119
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 4: Go j basketball.

1120
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 2: That's. It, Right there.

1121
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 4: Basketball ohio is little sport. Though little sports little sports

1122
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 4: learned to play.

1123
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 2: Like.

1124
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: Straight up yeah so, we had sport and we, had

1125
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 3: a Chapstick We. Had, coca cola look you know it's,

1126
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 3: just like, yeah the line it just it just opened

1127
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:10,360
Speaker 3: the door.

1128
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 2: In.

1129
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 3: The floodgate yeah and, SO for, me i said let

1130
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: me be very CAREFUL about what i left to, attach

1131
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: my name face. And, likeness to, so you know we

1132
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: MY agent and i we talked about just get going

1133
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: for the cream. Of the crop you can't. Just do

1134
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: everything you can't beat all things to all, People.

1135
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 2: Or whatever so go for the.

1136
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: Cream and props so that was the pattern and me

1137
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 3: we did that right up Into becoming coc Cola Butler

1138
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: with Bruce Wallen and bill, cosby you know all the

1139
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 3: way uh, in the eighties, nineteen eighty five and that

1140
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: was that was sort of like. The crowning. RELATIONSHIPS crowning endorsement.

1141
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 2: I Love That go that go.

1142
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,640
Speaker 1: Was my everything you've been around since the like the

1143
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: climate change, of like racism like how the leagues now

1144
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: are really being, in social justice being helping out in

1145
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: issues that a lot of the black athletes have. And

1146
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 1: so forth so you come from the, seventies always now

1147
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: so you're just seeing how these leagues wouldn't let black

1148
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: athletes do certain things or stay in certain hotels or.

1149
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: Do certain things now they're supporting not, only the athletes

1150
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: but they're doing IT publicly on tv and, showing the

1151
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: support like speak on that to see how to change

1152
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: how this forty year changed and went from this to where,

1153
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: we're at now and we still got a long, way

1154
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: to go but you know. We're, getting closed well there's no.

1155
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: End to it there's no end exactly to. This particular

1156
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: cycle what there is is change. And CONTINUOUS change so

1157
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 1: i predate the seventies and the sixties in. My teenage,

1158
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 1: years you know This IS.

1159
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 3: When john f kennedy got, assassinated sixty three and Then

1160
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 3: Followed by reverend king getting assassinated in, nineteen sixty, eight

1161
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 3: Sixty nine, another kennedy assassination ex sustination whatever so that

1162
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: was like the, tone you start you start talking about an.

1163
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: Appreciation of.

1164
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 3: Life you know now life, is very, fickle you know

1165
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: because somebody can get a gun and get by a

1166
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: security which is supposed to be the best security, in

1167
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 3: the country and take somebody. Out or whatever so now

1168
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: you got to park your ego at the door and you, got,

1169
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 3: to say, well you, know ALL right when i go

1170
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,439
Speaker 3: out A night and i'm going to, come back, home

1171
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 3: you know so we will all watch, during THAT time

1172
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 3: and i think a lot, of activity occurred but there,

1173
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 3: was no. Internet you know so, now you know you

1174
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 3: guys can say something on this podcast that gets picked

1175
01:01:55,600 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: up and the whole world can start talking about it

1176
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: immediately before it took time, for you know the messages

1177
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 3: to go across the and travel from one, city to

1178
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 3: another one, country to, another you know so.

1179
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 2: The world moved a lot slower.

1180
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 3: During that TIME guys who i went to high School, went,

1181
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: to vietnam right, so sixty, seven sixty, Eight sixty nine

1182
01:02:24,440 --> 01:02:28,720
Speaker 3: so in three years there were dozens who went and

1183
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 3: a lot. Less came back so here we are now

1184
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 3: with the life of death. Issue or whatever so what's

1185
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 3: important in this world is your preservation, of your life

1186
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 3: or the preservation, of your values or the preservation. Of your,

1187
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: memory YOU know and i would think in preservation life

1188
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: would be, the, first priority right and then the values,

1189
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 3: would be next because now you're talking about how you make,

1190
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: your kids feel how, they grow up what they, value

1191
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: in life what they think is. Important in life and not,

1192
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 3: only your kids but also now your friends, and your

1193
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 3: circle because that's how you can be judged by the company.

1194
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 3: That you keep and, then you, know following that you

1195
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 3: know what's going to, be your memory what people gonna.

1196
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 3: Remember you, for you know if you can do some

1197
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: things that make, people remember, you you. Know that's great

1198
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: that that may not, be for everyone, but you, KNOW

1199
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 3: for ME i mean i.

1200
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: Think that's.

1201
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 3: Important you KNOW that's why i have a documentary. In

1202
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 3: my LIFE that's why i have an, autobiography or whatever so,

1203
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: that You know, when i'm gone is the message can

1204
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 3: still be shared in the inner circle first and then

1205
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 3: out of the inn a. Circle after, that and, plus

1206
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 3: you know coming on a podcast and talking to brothers,

1207
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 3: like you, guys you know this is a chance to

1208
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 3: say how it was and how it continues to be

1209
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 3: today like it was in terms of the things, that

1210
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 3: are problematic but we're coming. With better solutions we're coming with,

1211
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 3: more immediate solutions more.

1212
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: Powerful solutions to, the same problem the.

1213
01:04:11,880 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 3: Same damn problems you know that we were through it

1214
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: the sixties and, seventies and ladies you'll got the, same

1215
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 3: damn problems and now it's coming. With better solutions but

1216
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: there's no. End to it it's not like you're trying

1217
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 3: to get to. An end result you're trying to get

1218
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 3: to equality and you're trying to get to there's no

1219
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 3: privilege for some and, not for others and you're trying

1220
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 3: to get to a state where you. Know you're respected

1221
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 3: so when, someone disrespects you. There's a consequence there's a

1222
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 3: consequence to them instead of it. Being in consequential then,

1223
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 3: Answer your, question oh yeah.

1224
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: That, Definitely Did okay michael jordan used to always say

1225
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: that you was his favorite player and use the one

1226
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: he always looked too when you used to. See him

1227
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: play did you see the similarities in the palm and

1228
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: the ball or You know, what i'm saying the.

1229
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 2: Dump style and.

1230
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 1: Stuff like that did you see the similarities of saying

1231
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: that He, was watching.

1232
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: Yeah you know and we played. Against each other that

1233
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 2: it's like three years.

1234
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 3: Where we overlapped y you know that first year, he

1235
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 3: was hurt and then, the second year so, eighty, eighty

1236
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,959
Speaker 3: four yeah eighty five.

1237
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: And eighty six you know.

1238
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 3: At that time when, when we overlapped and it WAS

1239
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 3: funny because i remember he came down and he dumped

1240
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: on like, a whole TEAM and.

1241
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 2: Then i went down and dumped on. HIS team whatever

1242
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 2: i don't. Looking at him he was, looking at me and,

1243
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: HE was like i could. Do it, AGAIN you, know i, said,

1244
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 2: ALL right well i want to get one. Shot at,

1245
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: IT you know.

1246
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 3: I made it so but it was fun, and you

1247
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 3: know we those years, when we overlapped we kind of

1248
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 3: caught him before he really.

1249
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: Hit his stride those.

1250
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:02,880
Speaker 3: First three, years you know he was Trying to find

1251
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 3: he was scoring a, lot of points but he was trying,

1252
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: to find himself find the right mix. Of teammates whatever

1253
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: there were a lot of things going on during that

1254
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 3: time with him and, we you know we did some

1255
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: things in the off season together to play golf in

1256
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: the off season and, just you know non. Recreational type.

1257
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: Stuff we had we had. SOME endorsement opportunities i think

1258
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: it was.

1259
01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: Down to that land.

1260
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 3: He was it was it Was Probably a coca cola

1261
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 3: situation and before he had signed A, deal with, gatorade and,

1262
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: SO you KNOW i mean i, always LIKED him and

1263
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 3: i always felt that he had a lot of respect

1264
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 3: and he had a, lot of admiration, and you know

1265
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: he was going to.

1266
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 2: Carry, the torch yeah and he certainly desired. To do

1267
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: it did a hell, of a job did a hell.

1268
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 4: Of, A job yeah i've seen a quote he said

1269
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 4: that when. He was, younger he said even if he

1270
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 4: never won championships and, stuff like that he hoped that

1271
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 4: he just walked away from the game with the same

1272
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 4: amount of respect that you possess from. Everybody around it

1273
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 4: how does that make you feel HEARING a young mj say?

1274
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 3: That, ABOUT you, YEAH i mean i think it's it's

1275
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 3: getting creds, and it's, important you know for, guys you

1276
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 3: know who compete in sports at the highest level. To get,

1277
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 3: credits you know you can't you. Can't please everybody everybody's not.

1278
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 3: Gonna like, you that's, why you know some, people like

1279
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 3: apples some, people like araunges and, people like grapes so on.

1280
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 2: And so, forth you know we're all fruit and.

1281
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 3: Whether we represent the flavor or the taste of somebody

1282
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: you know who's a fan or a follower or.

1283
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 2: Even a, hater you know they have their rights and

1284
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 2: they have their.

1285
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 3: Right a Way so uh so in an individual with blessed,

1286
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: with great, talent you know it. Gives you, recognition you

1287
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: know he's CARRYING on because i like to give The Recognition,

1288
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: To Bill, Russell Oscar robertson elgin baylor in, Particular Special

1289
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 3: way jerry west and those guys for the things, that

1290
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 3: They Did. And will chamberlain and YOU know when i

1291
01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: picked my, all time team you know we got, thousands.

1292
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,840
Speaker 3: OF players right i made up MY mind when i,

1293
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,760
Speaker 3: Was like fifteen so that was that, was you know

1294
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 3: shooting fifty, five years ago fifty, six YEARS ago and

1295
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: i made my team and it's.

1296
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: Still my team oh you, don't, KNOW what man i

1297
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:38,559
Speaker 1: thought it.

1298
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: Was coming, out that's here that, should be, This Hey man,

1299
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:50,479
Speaker 2: Wilton Russell, Killing Jerry, West. Oscar robinson elgabella. That's my

1300
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 2: team that's a. Five right there that's my. Team right

1301
01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,520
Speaker 2: there they don't even. Need to coach.

1302
01:08:58,080 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this what you're speaking on the

1303
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 4: on A BIG whill because, i feel like you're somebody

1304
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,639
Speaker 4: who played and you got to see what he did

1305
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 4: growing up when you. Were coming up for those, who,

1306
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 4: don't know like can you describe his dominance and how

1307
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 4: dominant he really was in the league and the things

1308
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 4: that he was doing even though, he didn't, win you

1309
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 4: know the championships and, all of, that but like just

1310
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:20,320
Speaker 4: just describe how dominant.

1311
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: He.

1312
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: Really, was yeah, yeah you know when you when you're goliath,

1313
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 3: as he was you got a big target. On your

1314
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 3: back everybody's trying to figure out what they need to do.

1315
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 3: To stop you so day in, and day out your,

1316
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:39,720
Speaker 3: face WITH that and i think it was Reflected in

1317
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:45,519
Speaker 3: his uh there's something, called, an enigma right and he

1318
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: was an enigmatic person because he would let the thoughts

1319
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 3: of others. Influence his behavior so, somebody, said once well,

1320
01:09:57,200 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 3: yeah you, scored you reabout but you don't.

1321
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: Get no assists so what do you do?

1322
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: The next, year you know so somebody told me he

1323
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 3: NOW gonna do. I can't do it's not that you.

1324
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 3: CAN'T do it i mean you just in order to

1325
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 3: win a championship. You don't have it's not about being,

1326
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 3: the best player it's about being, the, best team. Right

1327
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 3: you know so it's it's a communal efforts bringing everybody

1328
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,880
Speaker 3: together and getting them all on the same page and

1329
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 3: then utilizing their talents to. Be the best so when

1330
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:36,560
Speaker 3: he won THE championship with la which was the second championship,

1331
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 3: they had that they started out the season thirty three and,

1332
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 3: oh r, wow thirty whatever and nobody like to talk

1333
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 3: about that, because it's, like oh. Man that's fantasy. That's

1334
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 3: not fantasy. That was real they went out there won

1335
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 3: thirty three games, in a row and and you.

1336
01:10:57,920 --> 01:11:00,599
Speaker 2: Know, his dominance okay let me just talk about that.

1337
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,600
Speaker 3: A LITTLE bit so i remember being in the playground

1338
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 3: and trying to come from the corner and go across

1339
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 3: the lane and then roll, the ball back, and you

1340
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 3: know they always called, him, the dipper right so it's

1341
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 3: like he just He just had they. Didn't call it

1342
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 3: they didn't call it, a finger roll call. It dip

1343
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 3: shot and he had his little had. A dip shot

1344
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 3: and obviously when, he got, riled you know, he was

1345
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 3: duncan but he was letting he was letting guys off

1346
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 3: easy when he was.

1347
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 2: Doing the. Dipper you know so He. Played at philly

1348
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:40,879
Speaker 2: the guy who announced his games announced.

1349
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 3: My games too, so you know we talked A lot

1350
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 3: about will because he Loved he loved will and uh

1351
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 3: and he loved me and and he was he was he, was,

1352
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 3: A character, right, SO well yeah i think. HE loved

1353
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 3: basketball I think he i think he took, a different,

1354
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 3: route you know, because you know he Went out to

1355
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 3: kansas and played for a year and then he ended

1356
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 3: up Playing for the goldtroppers until. His class graduated so

1357
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,240
Speaker 3: he had to wait until the class graduated before he

1358
01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: could GO into the nba because that was the rule

1359
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 3: at the. Time or whatever so he was already taking

1360
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 3: a whole different path to get to where. He got to,

1361
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: AND you know i mean he went through he had. A,

1362
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,759
Speaker 3: phenomenal career obviously he had a season where he averaged fifty.

1363
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 3: Points a game he noticed that whatever in, that eight

1364
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:34,759
Speaker 3: season way average forty six point eight. MINUTES a Game

1365
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: I think sonny hill was telling. Me, about, that well

1366
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 3: man it might have been forty eight minutes a game

1367
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 3: over times and.

1368
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 2: Stuff like, that you know can you.

1369
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: Just imagine, guys doing work, doing that work, doing that

1370
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 3: work and then he'd go into the bathroom and splash

1371
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:51,479
Speaker 3: on the bruton and, he was gone and like.

1372
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:58,680
Speaker 2: The, night right yeah that was his commercial splash of

1373
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: My brute. And i'm gone?

1374
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: Is this true did We ALMOST see doctor J play

1375
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: With oscar And kareem al Dujevoir?

1376
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: For? The bucks yeah well it, wasn't that Close. But

1377
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:11,719
Speaker 2: the bucks.

1378
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 3: Bucks drafted me, boks DRAFTED me and i was already

1379
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,799
Speaker 3: a pro when. They drafted me so as, It Turned

1380
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 3: out wayne embry had watched me play since THIS camp

1381
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 3: that i WENT to when i was, maybe about sixteen

1382
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 3: and he had called me out of THE crowd and

1383
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:30,760
Speaker 3: i had.

1384
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: A big hand he had. A big hand we.

1385
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 3: Played, a little bit so he had watched me and

1386
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 3: he was the general manager there when, my class GRADUATED

1387
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 3: so he i guess he, had followed, me you know

1388
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 3: my college years and Going right to virginia in the PROS,

1389
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 3: with the aba, And he said i'm gonna take a

1390
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,479
Speaker 3: shot in this draft because we got they had two,

1391
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: first round picks so they drafted with their early pick

1392
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: another player who, was really good and then that and

1393
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 3: then with the twelfth pick. They picked me when, They

1394
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: picked me atlanta jumped, up and said now you. Can't

1395
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: have it we got a. Contract with him The contract

1396
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 3: with ATLANTA and then i also had A. Contract, with

1397
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 3: virginia Yeah so when, MILWAUKEE drafted me i already had

1398
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 3: two contracts and uh and at the end, OF the

1399
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 3: day I. Stayed in virginia and, that's you know that's

1400
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 3: when they opened the door For me, and iceman, two

1401
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: you know to.

1402
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 2: Be teammates too, so you know it's like.

1403
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 3: Take your pick you know who Would dra To bees

1404
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:39,640
Speaker 3: With oscar And kareem or iceman, or you know it's

1405
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 3: your fate. Is your fate so it was it was

1406
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 3: my faith to go. The ladder route THIS is what i.

1407
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 3: Need to know, so you know you you ice is.

1408
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 2: The.

1409
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 4: Cool ogs right so when you when you first started

1410
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 4: getting the money where, you, felt, comfortable well ge what did?

1411
01:14:55,720 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 4: You go by it was not the same pictures, of fur?

1412
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 4: Coats fir heads What type of what did you do

1413
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 4: when you first got some money where, you felt, LIKE

1414
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 4: all right, i, GOT family good i could do something.

1415
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 2: Nice for me what? Did you do was? It was

1416
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: it he told us he got, the triple black The Triple.

1417
01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 2: BLACK elder, rider.

1418
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,679
Speaker 4: I said, just like, that he said, A young fella

1419
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,599
Speaker 4: i got, the, Triple, BLACK young.

1420
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,479
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean i got.

1421
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 3: THE nice car i got a blue on Blue and

1422
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: blue Continental mark three mark three, was OUT there and

1423
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,519
Speaker 3: i didn't go. To, GET it see i took two

1424
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: friends with. ME from College I took Alonzo Somerville. And herman,

1425
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 3: curtis you know so we rolled down there in my

1426
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixty One.

1427
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: Chevy and pala.

1428
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: We rolled down there and talked about trade it in

1429
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: for really like a little, coop or, something you. Know something,

1430
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 3: new and uh every car, that WE tested all i, heard,

1431
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 3: was complaints man too tight back here, in the back

1432
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 3: the ceiling is too. Low or whatever so, we come

1433
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,160
Speaker 3: back we get another car, a little bigger so, we

1434
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: you know we had they were.

1435
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 2: All four doors but.

1436
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 3: For, THE next, thing i know like three road trips

1437
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 3: with my boys and we Got. IN that continental i

1438
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 3: heard it complaining everybody, that soft seat plenty of head

1439
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 3: room and all kinds of. GADGETS up there i ended

1440
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: up trade my card. For that, one it, costs you,

1441
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 3: know down payments maybe about, one thousand dollars two thousand dollars,

1442
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 3: BECAUSE you know i ain't really have a big.

1443
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 2: Bonus money, whatever you know. That was enough that was

1444
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 2: enough to. Change the. Game it was it was.

1445
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: A game changer i've seen in an interview that you

1446
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:52,680
Speaker 1: said that you you try to dunk the ball at

1447
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 1: least once every year just to see if you.

1448
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: Still. Can dunk that that's still going on. To this

1449
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:03,519
Speaker 2: day it actually he Is, not, going, okay okay okay what?

1450
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:07,799
Speaker 2: Was the AGE how? LONG i got i was dunking

1451
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 2: up to? Age sixty? Three sixty three, YET for that

1452
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: I make sure. I do IT make sure i give

1453
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:17,400
Speaker 2: you a couple of. Duns a year?

1454
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,559
Speaker 1: Do that fancy you know these things ain't gonna, take

1455
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: A lot but i give him a couple of. Dos

1456
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 1: A year and i just want TO see what i need.

1457
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: TO get through i need to get. To, sixty, three

1458
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: okay yeah.

1459
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 2: You gotta get. TO sixty Three i think meet's gonna

1460
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 2: pass because he's a.

1461
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 3: Human highlight MAN so he i know he's. Dunking every year,

1462
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 3: and you know the bars ALREADY set because i didn't dunk.

1463
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 3: In sixty FOUR you. KNOW i stopped i.

1464
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: Didn't even, Try you, know i'm TRYING and then i

1465
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 2: had to.

1466
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 3: Show the, problem you know a couple, OF years, Ago

1467
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 3: i said i'm just gonna. LET it go i ain't got.

1468
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 2: No in center you know something that's something center out.

1469
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,880
Speaker 2: There straight up we, might you know we might want.

1470
01:17:59,880 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 2: To resurrect, song, all right man that's. A rap man

1471
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:05,240
Speaker 2: this has, BEEN.

1472
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,920
Speaker 4: Amazing man og we appreciate you coming through pulling up

1473
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 4: on a. Suspense some time this, has. Been huge man everybody.

1474
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 4: Check it Out this Is julius the doctor irving AND.

1475
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 4: Appreciate you og.

1476
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:27,040
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1477
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:28,200
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1478
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